Escaping the Drift with John Gafford - From "We Can't Afford It" to Millionaire at 25 with Hannah Hammond

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

At just 7 years old, Hannah Hammond was told her family couldn't afford a McFlurry. That single moment of scarcity sparked a fire that would lead her to become a millionaire by age 25.In this episode of Escaping the Drift, John Gafford sits down with Hannah to break down exactly how she went from an insecure "ugly duckling" to a powerhouse entrepreneur with her own national finance and real estate companies. She shares the surreal experience of being mentored by Rich Dad Poor Dad author Robert Kiyosaki, why she walked away from a safe engineering career to bet on herself, and the $10,000 investment she made when she was broke that changed everything.If you feel stuck in a scarcity mindset or think you’re too young to build massive wealth, this episode is your wake-up call.In this episode, we cover:The "McFlurry Moment" that defined her financial future.How she connected with Robert Kiyosaki and Joe Polish.Why "Energetic Intelligence" is more important than IQ.Overcoming the "Imposter Syndrome" of young success.Chapter Titles & Timestamps00:00 – Intro: The 7-Year-Old Who Decided to Be Rich02:15 – Meeting Robert Kiyosaki & The "Rich Dad" Influence07:17 – The McFlurry Story: When Ambition Was Born13:45 – Quitting Engineering to Sell Real Estate19:30 – The "Rich Dad" Family vs. The "Poor Dad" Reality24:10 – Investing $10k in Coaching When You’re Broke32:00 – Mastering "Energetic Intelligence" & Self-Worth38:45 – Navigating Relationships & Ego as an Entrepreneur45:00 – Final Advice: How to Stop Drifting💬 Did you enjoy this podcast episode? Tell us all about it in the comment section below! ☑️  If you liked this video, consider subscribing to Escaping The Drift with John Gafford *************💯 About John Gafford: After appearing on NBC's "The Apprentice", John relocated to the Las Vegas Valley and founded several successful companies in the real estate space.➡️ The Gafford Group at Simply Vegas, top 1% of all REALTORS nationwide in terms of production. Simply Vegas, a 500 agent brokerage with billions in annual sales Clear Title, a 7-figure full-service title and escrow company.*************✅ Follow John Gafford on social media:Instagram ▶️ / thejohngaffordFacebook ▶️ / gafford2🎧 Stream The Escaping The Drift Podcast with John Gafford Episode here:Listen On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7cWN80gtZ4m4wl3DqQoJmK?si=2d60fd72329d44a9Listen On Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/escaping-the-drift-with-john-gafford/id1582927283 *************#escapingthedrift #hannahhammond #MillionaireMindset #RichDadPoorDad #YoungEntrepreneur #FinancialFreedom #RealEstateInvesting #WealthBuildingSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When I was seven years old, I asked my dad for a McFlurry ice cream from McDonald's one night, and he said, no, Hannah, we can't afford it. And I said, I'm going to be rich. I said, I'm going to be a million. Yeah, I'm going to be rich so I can buy myself McFlurries. And that was the first day in my mind where I thought I was, I decided I was going to be a millionaire. I was seven. And now, escaping the drift, the show designed to get you from where you are to where you want to be. I'm John Gafford and I have a knack for getting extraordinary achievers to drop their secrets to help you on a path to greatness. So stop drifting along, escape the drift, and it's time to start right now.

Back again, back again, like it says to the opening, man, to the show that gets you from where you are to where you want to be. And today, I'm not in the studio, man. I'm on the road. I'm in Arizona today. And I am blessed to be sitting here with somebody that is just unbelievable. She has, at a very early age, achieved a level of success that most people would dream of at their 50s.

She rubs elbows with the who's who of the real estate world. She has her own national finance company. She has a local real estate company. She's got a badass podcast. She is an all-around badass person, and today we're going to pry her secrets of success right out of her head on camera. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program.

This is Hannah Hammond. Hannah. Thank you so much for having that show. I'm amazing. I know. I see now you're fired up again, right? I was just thinking, as you did that,

I'm like, damn, he's really good. I was like, who's he talking about? I'm talking about you. I'm talking about you. So, dude,

so glad to be here with you. I have been watching you online, and I see you like, you know, certain things when you scroll through the gram start to catch your attention, right? Right.

And like, I'm like, oh, that's a cool, she posed with a picture of Robert Kiyosaki. And I'm like, I think she's on a plane of Robert Kiyosaki. I'm like, this person is friends with Robert Kiyosaki. So I want to start right there.

Tell me about the relationship you have with him. That's amazing. It's so crazy. It's a testament to being able, truly being able to create whatever you could possibly imagine and dream of in this world. Because when I read his book at 13 years old, it was a depressed, terrified, insecure,

miserable child that felt so lost and afraid and alone. And I read his book, and that was the first lifeline of hope for me that, oh my gosh, I can actually have freedom. I can have happiness, I can have wealth, like I can have these things in my world. I never thought, you know, a couple decades later, well, not a couple decades later, but over a decade later, that he would be brought into my life and we would become great friends. He's now a personal mentor of mine.

I go speak with him, and he's encouraged me to write my first book, and he's writing my forward. And so it's just really cool that it came full circle. And I think, you know, I had to step into, I had to grow. I had to step into the person that I really wanted to be a very high values person, a very grounded and aligned person, a very connected person, which is the opposite of everything that I was for many, many years. And once I started to live and flow and I started to show up my best self, then these types of people started attracting into my life and showing up into my life. And so how I actually met him in person, I didn't even know he lived in Arizona. And I joined this mastermind called Genius Network. Oh, yeah, Joe Polish.

Yep, Joe Polish. Great. And Joe has known Robert, been friends with Robert for almost 30 years. Yeah, they've known each other for a long time. And he introduced me because he saw one of my videos. I was teaching the Rich Dad Principles on one of my social media posts. And he's like, oh, you love Robert. Yeah.

Yeah. And then, you know, Robert loved me right away. We hit it off. He's also Ares two days apart on our birthdays. And he just started kind of encouraging me on the speaking and the writing side of things, which speaking has always been one of my biggest fears in my whole life of public speaking. And I've now done a few public speaking keynotes or whatever, and it's been super exciting. Yeah, I've got to tell you, and you, because you're a leader of people as well.

Somebody asked me the other day, they said, you know, how did you become a speaker? And I was like, I've always been a speaker. It's just the crowds get bigger, right? Because if you are somebody that's coaching people or leading a team, you've got to stand in front of them to talk a lot. And if you just kind of take that same feeling and thought process and just forget how big the stage is or how many people that there are, I think it will help. I mean, granted, the first time I walked out on like the clever investor stage and there was like, I don't know how people like Cody had there.

It was like 3,000. I was like, okay, this is a lot of people. Yeah. That was a lot. What's the biggest stage you've done so far? How many people? That's scary. Like 140.

Yeah. Okay, yeah. But I am, I'm not speaking, thank God. But I'm doing the intro at an event that I think has six. 600 people next week and so I'm yeah going up there and doing the intro so that'll be my biggest one I love that yeah so let's talk about this because you said you read rich dad poor dad at 13 which is that seems a little odd to me like what okay where were you that that like you saw this book where did you find it did you buy it did you happen upon it like that was it

calling to you like how does that happen because I can barely get my 13 my kids were not reading rich dad poor dad yeah they'll probably read my book that's coming out so yeah yeah I was always an overachiever since kindergarten. I was straight A's, my whole, every grade through school, full right merit scholarship to college, engineering school, graduated summa cum laude in three and a half years. So, I mean, I was always like that person, seeking knowledge, seeking accomplishment, seeking success, seeking a way to a better future. And that was instilled to me in a very young age.

And I think it's because I had my own real life, rich dad, poor dad situation in my home. When I was four years old, I met a friend who was my rich dad family. And she had horses. I fell in love with horses. She had, her parents were awesome. They had a great, what seemed like a great relationship and a great family, as I spent a lot of time with her. And it was just always so fun and calm and peaceful.

And they had a beautiful home. And it was just so much fun. They would take me up north to go ride the horses all like in the summer. And I was like, I want that. And then I would go home. And, you know, my dad's never around. and he makes minimum wage working at a pawn shop. And my mom is trying so hard to just survive and cope

and take care of the kids and take care of the house. And my dad was a very just absent person. And she was kind of the man of the household. And my oldest brother struggled severely with rage and addiction and was just, you know, tormenting me and tormenting my brother and tormenting everybody at school and a very challenging child to raise. and I was miserable, I was freaking out, I was lost, I was afraid, I was, I was angry at my parents because I didn't, we didn't, I couldn't have the things that my, my rich dad family had. And so I had

so much resentment. I was like, how do I get there? Because nobody's going to take care of me here. So I need to figure out how to get myself there. And so I just over accomplishment, over accomplished it was like the one thing I could control was I could be the best in school. And I felt so ugly. Was that your identity? Yeah. Oh yeah. Whole identity. Because I felt, so ugly because my my brother would you know abuse me make fun of me um for being fat or call me ugly or all these things right and then i became too skinny and then it was like you're too skinny you look like shit or whatever so it was the one place i had control or confidence in my identity and i didn't have it anywhere else and so i loved it i loved that i got seen it was the place where

i felt seen and i would um my teachers would see me and i would my classmates would see me and i just felt successful in that, but I just wanted, I wanted to be rich. And I knew that from a young age. And when I was seven years old, I asked my dad for a McFlurie ice cream from McDonald's one night. And he said, no, Hannah, we can't afford it. And I said, I'm going to be rich. I said, I'm going to be a million. Yeah, I'm going to be rich so I can buy myself McFlurries. And that was the first day in my mind where I thought I was, I decided I was going to be a millionaire. I was seven. It was seven. So by 13, I was already, I've been on that path for a long time. Like when I was seven, eight years old, I was trying to figure out how to create products. Like, I filled balloons

with flour to make, like, those stress balls. And I would try to sell those stress balls. I started babysitting. You really young. I wanted to ride horses, but didn't, you know, didn't have a lot of money, right? Horses are very expensive. And my sweet, dear, amazing mom literally worked at the stable and muck stalls to pay for food for my slaughterhouse rescue horse that she let me get. So she loved me so much and she showed up and stepped in and that was something that my father you know he didn't do and they were doing the best they could like they had traumatic childhoods and they were you know they were both abandoned by a or both parents and had all of these things and it's a different generation like they didn't have the resources like we have to have the

awareness and have the tools and be able to grow like they were just trying to survive and so I love them very much but it was a challenging environment and I knew that I had to be self-reliant and I couldn't rely on anybody else to get out of that situation and create the life that I knew that I wanted. Yeah, it's funny, even at eight years old, you knew that in some of its environment, some of it's innate. I'll tell you a funny story about my daughter. My kids have always owned the vending machines at my companies. They've been their business that they were little little kids and teaching accounting and marketing and all of that stuff. And the maids were coming to our house and my wife didn't have any cash on her to tip them.

And all I had was a $100 bill on me. And Roma had like just thousands of dollars and $1 bills in her room at eight years old. I'm like, Roma, go get Daddy changed for $100. She's like, no, because she liked her fat stacks. We were watching a lot of breaking bad back then. She's like, I like, I like my fat stacks. And I'm like, no, dude, a hundred's the same.

And so she's like begrudgingly goes upstairs, comes down, hands me like fives and tens and ones, and I count it. And I go, Roma, this is $96. She goes, I know. I went, I give you $100. And she goes, service charge. I went, what? She goes, would you rather go to the store?

I was like, no, I would not. So yes, my daughter at eight years old was charging me juice. So I think there's something innate there. I think nature versus nurture as well. But I think there's something innate even at that young age that you probably were definitely destined for bigger and better things. Yeah, even if I was born into a rich family, I would have still. Yeah.

So where did you find the book? Did you seek it out? I seeked it out. I would research how to get rich, how to build wealth, how to become a millionaire. And it was rich. I'd pour it. I popped up. And then I read that book.

And I'm like, done, click. I'm going to be an entrepreneur. I'm going to be a real estate investor. I'm going to acquire assets, not liabilities. I'm going to live really below my means for as long as I can and use every dollar of income I make to buy assets. And then once I have disposable income, then I'll use that disposable income to start to buy nice, you know, nicer things. That one extra step that most people don't make. Yeah.

Let your assets pay for your stuff. Exactly. And so that was my rule. I just followed Rich Dad and principles. And Robert is such a genius at breaking down, you know, what could seem like very complex topics into very simple principles that are so easy to understand. You know for a 13 year old. Yeah. I know. And yeah, so that that was pretty much all I needed. And then I read Atlas shrugged when I was 15 or 14. It's like 1,300 page book or 1,200 page book. And that was my favorite book ever, also one of my favorite. of just like full extreme ownership, self-responsibility. And when you show up the best for yourself, people, the norm society, they'll be like, oh, that's selfish, you need to live for other people. But really, if we're only living for people and we're abandoning ourselves, we're not doing them any good because we can't show up for them in our best way. And so if we take care of ourselves first and we create something beautiful out of our own life, then we can show up better for

other people and we can share that love for other people. And so that's like a lot of my wealth goals. It's all for other people. Like it's for me. I love it. I'm on a mission. I want to help change the world and make a positive impact on the universe. But the whole mission behind the wealth is the more wealth I can create, the more I can continue to help other people. And the more passive income I could create, the more that can continue to help people even when I'm long gone. Well, there's a reason that, you know, they say on an airplane to put the mask over your face before you assist others. Yeah. There's a reason for that. Exactly. You talk about personal development of yourself. And we've talked about you being a member boardroom, you're a member of Joe's thing.

How much would you have, if you had to put a number on it, what do you think you spend on personal development a year? Books included everything. If you had to put a number on. Three, four hundred thousand? Yep, that much? Yeah. And what would you say the return on that investment is? Infinite. Infinite. Infinite. Yeah. I, it's every, it's, it's, it's everything to me. It's what I love. It's, you know, one of my, my values is continuous growth. And so when I get to be around people who are always hungry to grow, it is so inspiring to me. And we get to learn. I always get to learn new things every day.

And then I get to teach it like doing podcasts. I get to share the ideas. And in my company, I get to share these ideas that I bring back from these masterminds and these conversations. And I had these epiphany moments. And I get to build relationships. Like I love relationships with amazing people because I was so isolated for so long. I was so alone for so long. I was just in my own head, in my own world.

I was too insecure to show up or to build relationships. And I was just like, I just got to grind and figure this out. And now that I've healed and I really do love who I am and I'm very connected to who I am, now I love, I realize how much I love people so much. And so the relationships and building those relationships and figuring out what I can do to add value to other people is really what fuels me and fills me more than anything else. And I just seek it. I need it in my life.

Well, let me ask you this. So that's a lot of investment and personal investment. It's great. The first check you wrote, were you in a place to write that check? The first investment you made in that. Was it scary? Talk about it. Because a lot of people listen to this are like, yeah, that's great.

Oh, man, I'd love to spend that money if I had it. But what they don't realize is, in most cases, the first investment you make in, a mentor, mastermind group, coach group, whatever it is. Most people can't afford to write that check when they write the first one. So tell me about your story right in the first one. One of my biggest regrets is not doing it sooner, although I still did it young. That's always everybody's regret. But investing in yourself is so important and investing in your network and always being around

people that are doing more than you, not just in money, but in health, relationship, spirituality, fitness, business, all the things that you aspire for. And that's important to you, right? And so I was such a scarcity-based, fear-based mindset. Everything I was doing was coming from the intention of fear. And that was creating a lot of pain in my life and a lot of resistance. I was forcing, you know, everything I was just trying to force. It wasn't flowing.

I wasn't really connected. I wasn't, my intention wasn't coming from love and abundance and passion and service and creation and all those things. It was fear, scarcity, survival, and lack of self-worth. Let's talk about that because so many people that grew up in those humble beginnings, right? They exist in that scarcity, the mentality. That's where they live. And they can't break free from that because it's always been like when you're little, like people would like abject poverty.

Like my wife grew up in very humble beginnings. And it is like I'm constantly like, honey, if you want something, like do what you want, right? We're not going to run on money. We're fine. Like nothing you could possibly do would upset me. And I find she's very generous with others, but with herself, she's so frugal. And I find that can bleed over into other people into things like personal development because they feel like it's splurging on themselves.

And they feel like I can't do that. So is that something you had no problem breaking through? And if you did, like what advice would you give to other people and how to break out of that mentality? Yeah, I had a big problem breaking through that. And I was very frugal, very cheap. I mean, my, you know, my dad would walk around the house turning off any lights when we were in the room or the fan or unplugging the toaster when it wasn't being used because he said it was using too much electricity and turning the AC up to 86 degrees in the summer. Pealing apart the two-plied toilet paper, all that stuff. Exactly. And so my ingrained mindset was we don't have enough, hold on to everything, hoard everything, save for tomorrow. That's what you always say we have to save. And, but when I hit 25 years old, I had become a millionaire. And I had done that.

buying assets, you know, selling real estate, using the commission to buy assets, those assets appreciated. I added value to them, et cetera, et cetera. I became a millionaire. When I was that seven-year-old girl, I thought when I just become a millionaire, I will be happy, I will be free, I will be loved, I will be everything, right? Didn't change that much. Oh, no. Nope. In fact, I was, you know, I was no better than I had ever been, a little bit, because now my basic needs were met, like survival. But I was still operating. Everything was the same. anxiety, depression, all the things. And so I go, okay, I have enough awareness to know that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. And I know that now I

have a, I'm a millionaire. I have all my basic needs met. I'm happy. Like I have, I live in a nice place. I have a nice life. I have a nice car. I have all these things. But I'm still miserable inside. So what do I do to fix that? And somebody that I knew that I looked up to, he's a real estate developer. He's like, you have to work with this coach, name William Poet. You just trust me, just work with them. And because I trusted him, I was like, okay, I'm going to do it. And I think it was like $10,000. Yeah, which seemed like everything at that time. Yeah, I'm like $10,000. And it was eight sessions, right? So it was like, oh my God. That's $1,200. Yeah, you're doing the math report. But there was a training content, like you log in

and stuff, but then you would meet for once a week for eight weeks or something. I think that was, It was a while ago. And so, but I trusted this guy. I wanted help. I knew I was stuck and I met with this coach. And that coach changed everything for me. Like what he taught me, I implemented. And because I paid so much for it, I paid attention.

Man, isn't that always how it is? Yeah, because free people don't pay attention to anything that's free. And you have to pay for transformational things in your life. You could have the same education on a podcast. Most people will listen to the show while they're in their shower, whatever. They're not going to actually implement it. But if someone came in here and they were paying $10,000 to watch the podcast, you bet your ass.

They would be writing down every single thing and they would go home and they would probably implement those things in their life and they would actually be able to transform. And so I believe you have to pay. And the higher you pay, the more you will transform because actually you're invested in that. You know, it was for not to stop your thought, but I have a story in my book where I talk about I had two agents that had a team that wanted me to coach him. That's cool. And it was going great for about three weeks and they were good agents and had a big team.

And the third, fourth week comes around and I get a text, hey, something came up, can we reschedule? And I was like, sure, no problem. Next week, hey, something came up with the other one, can we reschedule again? At this point, I sent him a text message. And I said, hey, quick question, if you had a meeting today with Tony Robbins, would you move it? They said, no, probably no. And I said, then you don't value the information I'm giving you the same way he would. So this just became a waste of time for both of them.

And it was just like, I could feel their eyes like, whoa. And no, I was not trying to compare myself to Tony Robbins. But the point was, you were going, you're 100% right. You're going to execute at the level that you value the information. And most of the time, the only way to generate value with people is to hit them in the pocket. Right. So yeah, so I love this. So keep going.

Yeah. So he, yeah, you could have two people on social media say the exact same thing. And one of them ever was like, this is amazing. and the other one, they just scroll right through because they don't, they don't, you know, it's all about the status of the person and how they see that person, right? Anyway, so I hired the coach.

He taught me all about energetic intelligence. He said it's the ninth intelligence. You know, you have emotional intelligence, intellectual intelligence, spiritual intelligence, all these different intelligence. He said, I teach energetic intelligence, and it encompasses all of them. And you can't reach your highest potential

and live in the green zone and live in a state of flow 90% of the time if you don't hone in your skills of energetic intelligence. And you can't, I shared this when we were talking last time, the outcome can only be as great as the energetic state in which you initiate the action. And so he goes, if you're initiating anything in your life from a poor energetic state,

which he calls the yellow and the red zone, fear, greed, boredom, anxiety, rage, anger, stress, overwhelm, you're going to get that quality of outcome, not very good outcome. And so the focus should be, solely on learning how to keep yourself in flow in a green energy state, creation, love, passion, excitement, joy, time flies, that state. Because if you can't master that, nothing else is ever going to work out good for you. And so I took that to heart and he taught me these tools of

doing energy audits to check in with myself throughout the day. How do I feel right now? Who am I with? Where am I at? What am I doing? And is this fueling me or draining me? And then I started to remove the things in my life, the clients, the people, the fiance, I was engaged to, the environment, like everything in my life that was not aligned with the energetic state that I wanted to be in. And I started to lean more into the things that made me feel good. The morning walks, the exercising, going to the gym and hired a personal trainer, the clients that lifted me up, the team members that lifted me up. I had the real estate brokerage, like started letting go of people that weren't aligned that dragged me down. Like, this isn't a fit. You can, you know, you can move on now. And so, um, and that compounded

more and more growth and more and more green zone. And it allowed me to be able to be aware of my energetic state. And then he taught me the tool of how to reset my energetic state. So now that I had the awareness, I could tell immediately when something was pulling me out of the green zone. And because I know if I'm not in the green zone, I'm not going to get good results. I'm like, oh, I need to get back to the green zone right away. And so he taught me to focus on the tools of how to quickly reset your and get back to the green zone, because otherwise if you just slip into that space, you just go down that rabbit hole and the most successful people are able to keep themselves in the green zone at the most amount of time, regardless of the storms and the fires that are

going on around them, they're able to handle that kind of pressure and not let it take them out of their state of flow because they know they're not going to get good results anyway. And that's where like if you're in a bad state and you have an argument with your wife or your business partner or your employee, does that ever lead to a good outcome? No. like you have to well I mean in marriage you know an argument can occasionally lead to makeup sex which is not bad

so I don't know if that counts so maybe there's some usefulness no I'm kidding no no there's no there's no use right you I mean usually like you can't take back what you do or say from a stress or angry state you can't and you can make some pretty you know life impacting events

Kent Cothier talks about that when he went when his company got bought and he went and he's like I quit like screw you guys or whatever, he's like, whoops, can't take that back. And so if you have the awareness of I'm not in a good state, let me reset and then have the conversation so I can be clear and have those difficult conversations from a calm, balanced state, then you're going to have much better outcomes. And so that became the priority. And so just the little things, like when I feel myself slipping out, what are the little

things that can get me back there? Sometimes it's just calling my friend that always makes me smile or laugh. Like, hey, just quick voice note, I just want to say hi and they lift you up. or maybe it's eating some food. Like you, you know, sometimes you work all day and you're starving, you don't even know it, or hydrating or getting some sunshine, like these little things that are not big deals

that you can reset. Now, when certain events happen in your life that are really big deals, you probably need a little bit more time to reset. Yeah. Right? But it's just that awareness and prioritizing your energy over other things

because you're only going to be able to have great outcomes if you have great energy sustained through your life. No, I agree. I want to talk about your coffee. a little bit because when I saw that you went through engineering it seemed like why did you pick engineering I went to the counselor and I said what's the degree that will pay me the most amount of money in the least amount of time and she

said engineering I said that that's what I'll do so was it civil mechanical what you got what I started in computer engineering and then I switched to industrial and environmental okay and then I went to work for cat the big mining in construction company and was an industrial engineer for them so making removing all the inefficiencies out of their processes and all of their departments and making them more profitable by eliminating waste and going out to mine sites and process mapping all their departments. So it was really cool. I got to be in a billion dollar organization and see organizationally how a company of that size was ran because I always wanted to either run one

or build one. And I remember getting my first paycheck and, you know, half of it was there because of taxes and insurance and this and that. And I cried. I cried at my desk. And I was like, what is this? How am I supposed to become wealthy and free? And then it's like, you know, you get a 3% or 4% increase every year and inflation's that amount. So you're, you know, you're not really making much. And so, and I was making more selling real estate on the side than I was there working 60 hours week. And it was an amazing company. And I loved the company. And I loved the people. And I loved what I did. But ultimately, I decided to go the entrepreneurial route. I couldn't take it out of me.

What's your thoughts on college? Because this is where I different. I want to hear your opinions on the value of college. I'm glad I went. I would have been a lot farther if I could have started in real estate earlier and had more of that head start. But I'm glad I went because I didn't want any regrets. Nobody in my family had gone to college.

And I earned a full ride merit scholarship. I worked really hard to do that because I knew I didn't have a college fund. So it was like, I have to do this. And I still had fear, right? And I didn't, I always wanted to be the best in everything that I did and take on big challenges. And so I'm glad I did it. And especially being an 18-year-old blonde chick, getting into commercial real estate with no good old boys club to lean on, I had to have something on my resume to be like, listen, I'm the real deal. Like I'm not just this young, dumb, blonde girl.

Like I know I'm really good at what I do. These are the challenges that I've been able to accomplish in my life, and I may be newer to real estate, and I may not come from a real estate background, but nobody will outwork me, and nobody has higher values than I do. Let me ask you this, because that's funny, you just brought it up. So do you find yourself, obviously you get prejudged? Yeah. How do you deal with that? Does it affect you? And how do you balance that?

Because here's the thing. It's like, women have this unfair thing in entrepreneurship and business in the, in the, in the, in the, in the world. world still and I get it and I can say this our company is primarily run by women we have women everywhere in our company in leadership which I love that how do you get over the like a how do you get over the being prejudged and then B like how do you deal with the thing it's like if a man is assertive he's assertive if a woman in business is assertive she's bitchy how do you how do you deal with that uh it doesn't bother me first off because I know who I am And I know my worth.

I know my value and I know the truth. And people can judge however they want. Everybody's different. That's fine. You can think whatever you want of me. And I really don't care because I fill my cup from within. And back in the day, it did affect me a lot. I hated being judged.

I wanted everybody to like me. And I still do. Like we're humans. We want to fit in and we want to be liked. But I wrote a poem when I was really young. And it said, love me, love me not. I'm fine with either way. Because if one's loved by all, they'd be a soul of gray.

and so I and I learned violin when I was four and then I was on tour with the Russian ballet okay got it yeah yeah and I wrote that I don't even know how old you were when you wrote that because it's going to make me just feel bad about myself I think I was like a writer on 13 14 yeah

okay at least teenage years that makes you feel a little better pretty much all my artist work and poetry was before I started working really hard to make money and so it was all pretty much sub 15 So that's what really, I'm like, I want to be real, I want to be me, I want to know who I am. And so many people, they don't even know who they are and they just morph into whatever environment they're in to fit in with that environment. And they're not even showing up as their best selves. And so I can be in any environment and show up kind and loving, but that's who I am.

And I don't need their approval of me. And I'm not going to change my values or change who I am or change anything for the approval of other people. Now, I always want to hear their perspective because I'm always challenging my own beliefs and dogmas and personas and all these things because our brains lie to us all the time. And so I love being around different types of people with different experiences and backgrounds because it makes me see the world out of a different lens. And I like to put myself in other people's shoes, like, how would I feel if I was that? Or what if this belief I have isn't really true? Because our beliefs aren't true. They're just our truth, right?

And so I like those types of environments, but I always keep to who I am. I see it all. My Achilles heel has been men my whole life. Like, hey. You think that's because of your father? Oh, it's because, yeah, a lot of things. It's, it's, I've always, because I didn't have a father figure, I have always sought that out, like a leader,

somebody that could provide and protect and love and guide me and believe in me and support me. And I never had that. And so I was always kind of seeking that father figure. and because I was so insecure and had so low self-worth and I was so mistreated by men my whole life, it, you know, I ended up in a lot of toxic relationships because I was just seeking love. And so I ended up dating, you know, textbook narcissist after textbook narcissist because they were the ones that would give me love right away. Like, you're amazing. You're my angel. I love you.

You're great. Move in with me. I'm going to take care of you, like all these things. And then, you know, bait and switch. They're bad shit crazy in two months. And then I'm like, now, what do I do? And so I kept repeating that. But ultimately, I had to wake up and be like, I am the common denominator here. I am attracting and choosing these people. I'm not going to point the finger anymore and say, that person was crazy and that person would go.

No, I'm crazy. I'm the one creating these situations. And this is back to extreme ownership of I can't control those people. That's okay, whether they're crazy or not crazy. Who cares? I can control me. I can control who I end up with and who I'm with and who I invest my love and my time into. And that's what created me like, okay, I'm seeing the pattern here. I need to change the

pattern and I need to change myself. And so I don't, I quit relationships and dove deep into myself and really worked on myself and became the kind of person that I would want to attract because I wasn't the kind of person. You weren't that. No. Well, let me ask you this. So with the internet, Instagram and everything becoming such a key part of entrepreneurship today, it's funny you know entrepreneurs 20 years ago if you told somebody you were an entrepreneur mate you didn't have a job it's pretty much what it now it's like it's the rock stars of today you see the people online and and they grow to massive followings we're starting to see some of those people implode right now because they're doing not so great things but so many of the people that

would be in the coaching space are kind of the super alpha dudes right um who preach the super alpha thing and here you are like doing incredibly well online and your businesses are amazing we're going to get to talk about your businesses in a minute but why do you think that message of the super alpha dude and the woman should be at home and this and that which you know why do you think that's becoming so popular um because i don't get it are you trying like Andrew tate message yeah like that like that stuff not even that but like you know the west watson's of the world these, you know, these. Yeah, yeah, Westwood. Yeah. And so, you know, I was a, because I didn't have masculine men around me, I had to be the masculine man. And so I'm a very, I have a lot of, I've had to be

the leader. I've had to be the provider. I've had to be the protector and a lot of things that I do. And then I was like attracting men that I had to fix, you know, or like provide for or help teach. And I had to rewind all that. But I think, I think we have to have mutual respect in relationships with our business partners, with our spouses, with our friends, with everybody in our life. And if there's a blanket statement of you should do this or it should be this way, I just don't really agree with that because I think it should be the way that aligns with you and what you want. And I know women that want to just be a mom and they want to raise the children and they want that. They really do. And they want a man that can go out and hunt and kill and provide and protect

the family. And then I know women like me that are like, I would never share finances with a man. I provide for myself. I own my own business. I support their dreams. they support my dreams. We are equals in everything. We are each other's ride or die. We help each other grow. And that's the kind of man that I want. Like we are, we are equals. And I don't want to be handed money. I don't want to raise children, at least right now, not right now. And, you know, I just have a different mission. And so I think both are okay. But I think it's not okay to say this is how it should be because that's stupid. And women are incredibly powerful. Women are amazing leaders. Like one of my mentors is a billionaire.

Every person in his whole company is a female. Every single one, everyone. And so he goes there way better than men or organizationally. And that's from his perspective. And they do deep personality testing before anybody gets in. And it just so happens that everybody that passed the personality test generally are female. And they do really well in the organization. And so I think it's just whatever you want.

And because there was so much suppression of females back in the day, and now we're just like getting real freedom and this ability to rise and be able to have a sense of we can create whatever we want in the world then I think it's just finding that right person that aligns with you. No, well said.

Who are you hoping to inspire? Like who do you, like if you have an avatar of who you really want to talk to, is it that 13 year old girl that couldn't get McFlurry or is that what you're talking to? Yeah. Is that what gets you going every day?

Yeah, it's my favorite. quote, here's to the misfits, the rebels, the round pegs and the square holes, the ones who challenge things, they think differently because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world are the ones who do. And so that's a Steve Jobs quote. And so that's who I speak to because that was me and I speak to that little girl that wanted it all. I want it all and I believe you can have it all in life. And we get to choose that. And so those people that that are relentless and truly want to reach and unlock life's highest potential in every single capacity of what that could even look like. And so, you know, I just think that people don't

believe enough in themselves. And if they just believed in themselves more and just believed in the possibilities and stopped making excuses and stopped being a victim, and they really took ownership of like, no, I can choose this. I can choose how I feel. I can choose how I show up. I can choose everything, what I do, how I operate, what my goals are, what my dreams are, who I, who I'm with. And, you know, I, um, my working title for the book is called ugly duckling.

And it's this journey of transformation because I felt like that misfit. I felt alone and afraid and small and unseen and unheard and not good enough and not pretty enough and not skinny enough. like I felt like that and I think all of us have felt like that in some way in their life. We all fear not being enough, you know, and it's we can, we are enough and we can be enough, but we have to heal a lot of like those inner, we all have inner wounds inside or these insecurities or these things that have happened to us in our life that hold us back and make us believe, make us not believe in ourselves or we overcompensate for our insecurity by

having to show everybody that we're this big, powerful, capable person, but it's not coming from the right intention and deep it down. You can, like, I can see it. You know, I see these types of guys online. I'm like, you're such a broken, like, soul. Like, I feel so sorry for them. Like, it's sad to me, you know. And so, but I don't know.

It's so funny you brought that up because that literally was the question I was about to ask, which was just from what you've said, it's so much of your story seems to be like this transformation of you at an early age from having a self-perception that was crafted by others

of what people told you of who you were of being told all of those things that you just said so eloquently to changing into your own self-perception of what you chose to see in the mirror so for people that are out there still walking around with that avatar that they were given

as a kid by other people outside forces, what advice do you give to them on how to change that to become the person they want to pay? Well, first is, what do you value? Who are you? So here's what happens. And I learned a lot through my transformation. I learned a lot from Dr. Gabramate, who was introduced to me from Joe Polish through Genius Network. Joe was a huge part of so much growth in my life. And so he said the primary wound in all people is simply this. not feeling seen, heard, or protected when they're a child. And when that happens, it could be any environment.

You could have a rich family, a poor family, a great, you know, whatever, on paper life or bad on paper life, it doesn't matter. That is the primary wound. And when that happens, that's what causes the child to detach from their authenticity. And they lose their sense of self. They lose their sense of creativity. They start to do things to survive, do things to fit in, do things that they get rewarded for, Right? Bad job. Like teachers, bad job. Don't do that. Do it this way. Your parents, don't do that. Bad job. Do it this way. You should be this when you grow up. You need to do this. This is the family business or this is what we want out of you or whatever, right? And so you could, this wound shows up in both very wealthy families and very poor families because the primary wound is the same. If you don't feel seen, then you detach and you start to do things to feel seen, right? And to feel hurt.

and to feel protected. And then all of a sudden, we go down this route and we build this whole life that is based on what other people told us to do that was right that we got rewarded for because we had to. We have no control as a child. We don't make the rules. You know, we have to survive. Then all of a sudden we end up in this position where we were like, well, I have

the wife or the husband. I have the cars. I have the kids. I have the house. I have the job or the title or the status or the accolade or the business or the money whatever, but yet something's still wrong in me. I can feel it. Like I'm still numbing. I'm still drinking. I'm still smoking. I'm still vaping. Like I'm still, you know, I still wake up with anxiety in my chest or a pit in my stomach and all these things. And then then we have to

start to peel back the layers of the end and be like, okay, where did we lose our sense of self? What are we suffocating inside of us that needs to come out? And one of my friends, his name is Garon Jones. He's a beautiful soul. He's also in Genius Network. He said to, like, we, we stop playing as adults. And he goes, you have to play. Like, you have to think of the things that lit you up as a child. And for me, I'm like, horses. I love horses. And so he's like, ride horses. And I go to the barn and, you know, people are like, I've never seen someone smiling so much as when you're at the stable around horses. And then the same thing is like, what did you do as a kid? Oh, I sang. We'll sing. Like, spend time singing. And so when you

start to get back to you, the little simple things that lit you up as that six-year-old and you start to bring those back into your life as an adult, then you can start to be more connected to yourself and start to have more fun in your life. And, you know, that's just one nugget of the piece of it too. And so it's important to play. Well, I think, but the biggest problem people have with that is they can't get out of the way of their own ego. They're so scared of looking crazy. You personally experienced with me, you know, I wanted to start surfing again. And so it, you know, 50 years old, we bought a house at the beach and there's a break right in front of my house in Newport. And yeah, and I'm out there drowning on a giant foamy every other day.

And the first day I was out there and, you know, people that are like all around me and doing whatever. And I was so embarrassed. And I almost quit at the first day. And I was like, dude, you're 50 years old. Like, who cares? Like, just go have fun. And ever since then, yeah, I'm out there doing that and I don't do that. But I think so many people have, can't get out of the way of the way of the way.

their own ego. So how do you recommend people do that? What advice would you give people? If you're not growing, you're dying. And so just, and I think this is a competitive advantage of women is they don't have that same ego as men do generally. Like, I don't, I want to learn. And I think that was also an edge for me too, because I'm so curious. That's of value, my curiosity and learning. And I always want to learn. So I would go find successful people that I would, looked up to and I would ask them questions as many questions I could just why I have a podcast right I want to keep learning and and I want to teach people that's another value of mine so the podcast hits two birds with one stone but because I was underestimated they told me everything

every secret every trade secret everything that was working everything that wasn't wasn't working and so they're like oh you're just a dumb little girl like you know whatever but I'm I'm a sponge like you tell me something that is in my brain I have a very high I have a very high I have photographic memory and of it, I just, I've always, I have a high retention rate of information. I can consume knowledge very fast and it's locked and loaded and I can go implement it like immediately. And so, um, that was something that I always just kind of stayed curious and, and wanted to learn. And I think how, like ego will destroy you. It will absolutely destroy you. And it does, it is so easy to see right through it. Like I meet, I mean, my whole world is men with

massive egos. Like that's every single person in my life. That's everybody you know. Yeah, everybody that I know. And so I'm very good at navigating men. I understand them so well. But you can see right through it. Yeah. You know, so it's, it doesn't, it's not a real ego. It doesn't actually, it doesn't, like, the truth has a certain ring to it. And when you're overcompensating because of an ego and you're not humble and you're not willing to learn and understand that you aren't God, like you, you are here floating on a space rock in the middle of expanding nothingness, an infinite time, and aren't going to matter, like, very soon. Like, you're just a blip in the universe, like an ant on the ground. Like, you don't actually,

like the ego doesn't mean anything. It doesn't exist. And if you're trying to grow, the ego will prevent you from growing and it will cause you to make decisions that can destroy you and destroy everything in your life, like cheating, you know, cheating on your spouse or, or taking massive risks in business to try to look cool and then losing it all, or not being willing to learn or ask for help. Like, I am very good at asking for help. Yeah.

Everything we know is from somebody else. Like we rely on people, and the most successful people rely on others to help them. And that's just like Robert. He's like, I just have great advisors. Like, I don't know all this stuff. You know, I know this, I'm good at this, I do one thing.

And everybody else around me are just the advisor and they're the experts in their field. And I lean on her. help from those people. And I think it's just so important. It's like if you really want to reach your highest potential and grow the most in life, you have to let go of the ego. It's so nice to be reminded of that. It's from time of time. And I'll tell you who reminded me that wildly in the last year and a half. I don't have you met him yet. Part of boardroom, we got him Leon Howard, better known as the Wall Street Trapper. I don't think I met him yet. So Trapp is a financial advisor dude from

Atlanta. And Trapp is from New Orleans, went to jail at a pretty young age. And I mean, he is, you know he is he is unapologetically who he is but you just would have no idea who he was because he just does he's so unassuming and he came into those rooms at board room and he was in the billionaire room and he's just soaking it up and he's like I'm just so blessed I'm here to learn from you guys I'm here to do this I need to start investing in real estate I want to do this and some of us at first are like like who is this guy like I don't know who this guy is and I grabbed him at the break and I'm like so man tell me about you

I want to know about you like why are you here and he was like man he goes I paid like three million in taxes last year and I was like I'm sorry what because he does not he's just unassuming dude right and he's like yeah and so I start looking him up and I'm like this dude has

millions of people that watch his financial advice on YouTube I mean he's got a massive network that he is built from nothing into this empire and he's got this quest to raise his community up and teach him financial literacy and just unbelievable he was buying a 70,000 square foot building Atlanta.

I mean, I'm just like, and you would never know. And the whole time he walked through that room and the only word that I could put on it was grace. It was just complete grace. There was no flex. There was no, I care what you think about me. I'm just here to learn and I'm so grateful I get the opportunity to learn from this room. when really if you start throwing balance sheets up against a bunch of people,

he could probably put some people's lights out in there. Yeah. And just you would never know that. And it's just such a, it's being around people like that. I think sometimes, yes, it's important to seek out people that are doing well. It's important to seek out people that are at a level you want to get to. But I think it's almost more important to seek out people that are operating through the grace in the same way that he does to remind you of that.

Yeah. And it's so good. And, you know, it's, and I think that also helps, too, is when you, every level I unlock in the game of life, I realize there's so many more levels to the game, you know. And so as you elevate the types of people you're around and the types of people who are aligned in all areas of their life and thriving in all areas of their life, which is what I strive for, your highest potential and everything, you learn that you're at the bottom. Like, I always strive to be near the bottom of any room that I'm in, or I usually am at the bottom of any room that I'm in. And so, and then I like to teach people, right, and be around people that are where, you know, I'm hired because I want to help people learn and grow. But that always checks your ego because you get into these rooms and like, oh, okay, this guy's a billionaire. Yeah, okay.

You know, what's my, like, measly little amount that I built, right? But so that really humbles you, and it's just so inspiring to me. because I'm not doing it for ego or status. I'm doing it to give it all the way. I'm doing it to help other people. Like, I want to live a nice life and have amazing experiences and have a great environment and all those things

and I value wealth. That's one of my core values. But I'm not doing it for me. I'm not doing it to look cool. Like, I'm still the insecure little girl inside. I still look in the mirror and be like, oh, you're ugly and I have to catch it. And I'm like, no, I love you.

Thank you. You're beautiful. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Like, I'm so hard on myself. And so, but I'm training myself to rewire those thoughts. And it's okay that those old thoughts still come up. And there's days where I'm really down on myself or whatever.

And then there's other days where I'm like, damn, you're doing good. Like, you got this, you know? But it's just being humble and understanding like my, we all, you have the little six-year-old boy inside of you. So does every other guy out there in the world, right? Well, my wife would tell you, like half the time is what she probably tell you. Yeah. Let me ask you this. I want to ask you this.

So yes, you're a super giver. you give I love that about you but you let me ask you this what's the coolest experience that you've gotten to do for yourself if you had to say this one thing that I got to do for myself was the coolest what that made you happier than anything else what was the one experience and you can't say give it back to other people um buying my horse buying your horse that was my dream since I was a little girl yeah buying my horse it ended up turning into nightmare he got injured right away oh no somebody else that I let ride him and then I lost a ton of money and ended up selling him. But that moment of like, oh my God, I did this.

I created this. Like I've been, that was the first reason I wanted ever to have wealth was because I wanted that horse. And I had him on my vision board my whole life. And I got that exact horse. And I wanted to import him from Europe. And I wanted to have a show jumper and all those things. So that moment was really beautiful. And then also when I, you know, chose to to step out of the, relationship that I was in and I was always in relationships like I was never single a day it was back to back to back to back to back like as soon as I was single and somebody got a sniff of it I you know yeah if you're listening to this and you're not watching it yeah go watch it you'll figure it out pretty quick boys figure it out pretty quick so I was just and because I was

codependent and because I was insecure and because I didn't feel worthy I needed that validation and that that um codependency and so I would jump right into another relationship and so when I finally got out of relationships I said no I'm not going to do that anymore. I need to work on me. Clearly, I have some issues that I need to fix because I'm repeating the same pattern and I'm dating the same guy with a different face every time. I always dreamed of having a house in Paradise Valley, Arizona, because that's where my wealthy friends in high school lived. And I was like, I'm going to live here. And when they would drop me off at home, they'd be like, be careful in the ghetto, honey. And I hated that.

And we didn't live in the ghetto, but they were just very wealthy. But I left that relationship. I moved into my house in Paris Valley. It's not like my dream house, but it's beautiful. And I love it so much. And it's great energy and so bright and light and modern and beautiful and water features and plants. And it's gorgeous. And it's right by Calaback Mountain. And I moved into that house, like all on my own, walked up to the mountain, climb the

mountain. And I was the only one up on the mountain. I just felt the wind coming up on me. And I'm looking out over. And I just started crying. And I was like, you did it. You made it. Yeah.

And I, and, you know, I was 20, I think that moment, I was 26, and I was just like, this is, you know, and I have, I have my G wagon and I have my business and I have freedom and I have assets and I have passive income and I have time freedom, financial freedom. And then the next thing I needed was the inner freedom. And that's where I realized like this is, I'm, you know, I'm here. So it was a, that was a beautiful moment. And then just the traveling like some luxury trips. So, you know, the Waldorf last week at the, you know, $1,500 a night. is $30 for a cup of coffee. Do you have a group of friends that just drag you cool place? Do you have that one friend that says, hey, we need to go here? Do you have that friend? Yeah, my Colombian friend. I do.

So we did Croatia for two weeks. Oh, that's awesome. We did Greece for a couple weeks, Italy, Sardinia. So those types of experiences, just seeing the world and in a luxurious way are the things that I like to do for me. I have a friend. I don't know how he finds this stuff. We have, I mean, we bribed the Ministry of Antiquities in Egypt

to thinking we were archaeologists and went to a live dig at Sakara. What? I'll show you the video. Is this like Steve Sims stuff? No, it wasn't, you know, okay, so Steve, I'll tell you later about how me and Steve became friends. But no, this is my buddy, Chris. I mean, so we called me, we did that. In January, we're going to stage in Cape Town, and we're going to fly on a G4 to Antarctica for the day

when the sun doesn't set for the longest day. and then we're going to go ice rappelling down a glacier in Antarctica. That's insane. Dude, I mean, it's like guerrillas in Rwanda. I think everybody, you have to have that one friend. Because what's funny is people that haven't, you probably went through some of this too. So there was probably a period, maybe not, because you were like rich dadding, poor dadding at 13. I went through this, right?

When I first started having some decent success, you start buying the things. You start buying stuff. You start buying things. And eventually you realize that things are not what you've. really value. And then the experiences that wealth can afford you are way better than the things. And so it's all about the experiences. I don't know if you had that. I had that experience for me. But my question is, as you level up, right? So how do you continue, how often do you reevaluate where you're trying to get to? What the next level is, what the next goal is. How

often do you reevaluate that? Oh, all the time. And how hard you're stretching? All the time. And, you know, leaders in my life, like Dr. Ben Hardy, he's a friend of mine, genius network and one of my favorite authors, he wrote 10x is easier than 2x, the gap and the gain and who not how with Dan Sullivan, also an amazing leader. And he challenged me. So this last part of my healing, I still had an eating disorder up until this year, my whole life. Wow. My whole life. So I'd done a lot of healing, but it's been years of healing. And I told him, I was like, I feel good now. I'm aligned. I'm grounded. I'm reborn. I've had this massive transformation like I a billion dollars is going to flow to me in my life so I can

conserve other people in the greatest capacity that it can and he goes Hannah if you want to be a billionaire and reach your highest potential you have to forgive your dad and you know it wasn't like the direct response but he asked me how how I was going to ask that too yeah I was going to ask that how's your relationship with your parents and this and that and I was like oh I really healed the relationship with my mom and we're so close now and uh You know, we had a lot of challenges and we worked through all of that and we were very tight. And he's like, how about your dad? And I'm like, I forgave in him.

And he's like, well, when's the last time you talked to him? I was like 10 years ago. And he's like, you know, I. But did you? Yeah, exactly. I have news for you. Yeah. But did you?

Yeah. And I was like, well, he, you know, takes me out of the green zone. And I take him. I don't show up my, he pulls the worst out of me. And I show up my worst around him. And I don't treat him kindly. he doesn't make me feel good, so I just don't see the point, but I've made peace with it. He's like, I really think you should take your dad out for dinner if you feel ready.

And it sounds like you're ready. And it was a challenge to build a billion dollar company, right? And so I was like, ta-da, I can do this, bring it on. And, but he goes, Hannah, just know when you call him, he's not going to be different, but you are. And so when I picked up the phone and I called my dad, who lives, two, three, three, streets over from me, you know, and I hadn't seen him in 10 years. Oh, I did. I saw him like at a funeral and my brother's wedding, but I didn't actually like sit with him or tell me. And I picked up the phone and my dad, hello, like the same, you know, the same boy. I'm not saved in his phone.

He's a flip phone. And he's like, he's like, hello. And I just, I heard Ben say, he's not going to be different, but you are. And I just had, usually when I heard my dad's voice or even thought about him, my body would react like I would my heart would start beating I'd get anxiety in my chest I'd get a little angry just by the thought right and so I got to the point where the thought of him didn't bother me so much but still if I was around him or or heard his voice it's kind of still react a little bit but this time I didn't and I was completely at peace and I was like I have no expectations to try to change him I just want to see him I never he's just the little boy too that wasn't seen heard or protected and he did the best he could to survive and I took it

personally because I wanted something different out of him, but I no longer need anything from him and I just want to see him and be here for him. And so I told him, I'm sorry. I said, dad, I want to call you and tell you how sorry I am for all the things that I said to hurt you and for saying how much I hated you growing up and for resenting you my whole life. And I just said, I want to be honest with you. And I've had a big problem with you my whole life. And I haven't shown up well and I blamed a lot of problems on you, but I realize now that you were the greatest gift I've ever been given. Because he drove you. Yeah. And I said, I just want to, I want to know you. I don't know you. Like we never, I never got to know him. And so I took him to dinner and, and talked to him and

shared the journey I've been on and this transformation and this healing and this growth and how I wanted to heal that piece of our relationship and that piece of me. And, you know, he started crying and opened up about, I've never seen him show emotion his whole life. And he opened up about, you know, how he was abandoned. His, you know, parents sent him to Arizona and they didn't want to raise them anymore. His dad went through multiple divorces. And I think he had an abusive step parent. And, you know, his mom was an orphan, raised an orphanage. Like, there was just... They had no clue. No. And he's like, I didn't know how to love you guys. Like, I don't know. I don't know how to love. And he's like, my mom has never said she's loved me

with her entire life, not once. And he's just crying. And I'm seeing my... And I'm... And then for me, it was even such a bigger breakthrough because now I'm helping my father heal. Like nobody's ever seen him and I was mean to him and my brothers made like everyone was mean to him because he was, you know, you get what you put out, right? And so it was just a beautiful moment and even though he's exactly the same man and nothing's different there, but I truly was able to release that. And that day, my eating disorder vanished. Wow. Really? Because the real pain behind it now kind of shaped up and was gone. That's good. Yeah. Yeah, I had cleared all of the resentment out of me, all of it, because that was the final

piece. That was the biggest piece. Wow. Well, as good Lord, as happens so often on this podcast, we never get to talk about the thing we were supposed to talk about, which is your incredible business rise, which is amazing. But believe me, I think that you help so many people today. If they want to find you, learn more about you, connect with you. How do they do that? At Hannah B. Hammond is my handle on all my channels. But yeah, Instagram is great. I have the YouTube channel as well or hannahhammon.com. Perfect.

Love that. Well, listen, guys, wrap it up today so much. If you took nothing away from that today, I would say, hey, you're nuts. But the thing you should take away from it is this. Sometimes the work that you're trying to do outside really needs to start inside. You want to escape the drift. That's a good place to start. We'll see you next week.

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