Escaping the Drift with John Gafford - John Assaraf's Guide to Breaking Barriers

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Renowned thought leader and bestselling author John Assaraf graces our studio with his compelling story of transformation from a troubled youth to a successful entrepreneur. John's life journey is a testament to the power of mentorship, self-improvement, and the courage to change one's mindset. He shares the turning points that shifted his path, like a pivotal encounter with an undercover cop and a profound conversation with philanthropist Alan Brown, which set the stage for his future successes.   As we explore John's insights, he emphasizes the essence of commitment and goal-setting, sharing how these principles shaped his journey in the real estate industry. From setting ambitious personal and professional goals to the importance of belief systems, John sheds light on how breaking through limitations can unlock untapped potential. He provides a roadmap for aspiring entrepreneurs, filled with strategies for overcoming fear, managing failures, and using tools like vision boards to visualize success and navigate challenges.   John's wisdom extends beyond mindset, touching on skill development and practical techniques for high performance. By understanding the brain's fear circuit and mastering emotional regulation, he illustrates how anyone can train their brain to achieve excellence. His personal anecdotes and actionable advice offer a blueprint for constructing a reality aligned with one's dreams, encouraging listeners to set clear goals and take meaningful steps towards their vision of success. Join us for an enlightening conversation that promises to inspire and equip you to elevate both your personal and professional life.   CHAPTERS    (00:00) - Escaping the Drift With John Assaraf (06:14) - Commitment to Achieving Extraordinary Goals (17:23) - Breaking Through Limitations (23:35) - Nurturing Skills in Real Estate Industry (27:04) - Overcoming Fear for High Performance (33:28) - Overcoming Fear and Taking Action (44:42) - Constructing Reality and Setting Goals (50:52) - Creating a Vision for Success (56:17) - Training the Brain   💬 Did you enjoy this podcast episode? Tell us all about it in the comment section below!    ☑️  If you liked this video, consider subscribing to Escaping The Drift with John Gafford  ************* 💯 About John Gafford: After appearing on NBC's "The Apprentice", John relocated to the Las Vegas Valley and founded several successful companies in the real estate space.   ➡️ The Gafford Group at Simply Vegas, top 1% of all REALTORS nationwide in terms of production. Simply Vegas, a 500 agent brokerage with billions in annual sales Clear Title, a 7-figure full-service title and escrow company.   ➡️ Streamline Home Loans - An independent mortgage bank with more than 100 loan officers. The Simply Group, A national expansion vehicle partnering with large brokers across the country to vertically integrate their real estate brokerages.   *************   ✅ Follow John Gafford on social media:   Instagram ▶️ / thejohngafford   Facebook ▶️ / gafford2   🎧 Stream The Escaping The Drift Podcast with John Gafford Episode here: Listen On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7cWN80gtZ4m4wl3DqQoJmK?si=2d60fd72329d44a9 Listen On Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/escaping-the-drift-with-john-gafford/id1582927283    *************   #escapingthedrift #johnassaraf #transformation #mentorship #selfimprovement #mindset #realestate #commitment #goalsetting #beliefsystems #limitations #success #entrepreneur #fear #highperformance #brain #emotionalregulation #visionboards #challenges #resilience #personalgrowth

When somebody is interested, they come up with stories and reasons and excuses of why it can't be done or why they won't do it Says they allow their current circumstances or their past failures and traumas to control their thinking Thereby repeating the same patterns over and over and over again which lead to the same results Yes, but people who are committed upgrade their identity to match the destiny that they are committed to achieving. They upgrade their knowledge, they upgrade their skills, they upgrade what they believe, and then they take consistent action

until it becomes second nature to do the things required to achieve the goals that you wrote down on this document that I know are achievable. And now, Escaping the Drift, the show designed to get you from where you are to where you want to be. I'm John Gafford and I have a knack for getting extraordinary achievers to drop their secrets to help you on a path to greatness. So stop drifting along, escape the drift, and it's time to start right now. Back again, back again for another episode of Like It Says in the Opening Man, the podcast

that gets you from where you are to where you want to be. And today, people in the studio, I've got somebody living legend, next level thinker, doer of all things. This guy is somebody I met at one of my masterminds a couple of years ago, and I'm trying to get him through, man, it just never works out. But again, Vegas being Vegas, everybody comes through eventually. And when I saw he was here I hit him up immediately I was like I gotta get you on the podcast and being the giver that he is he said I'll be there no problem this is a guy that came from a troubled youth as so many of us do overcoming that by really leaning into mentorship wound up to build his first big company was would be a remax we had

1,200 agents and trust me, I could tell you somebody knows a real estate company that is a lot. And we were just talking about it. They were doing like 35,000 transactions a year, which is insane. Exited that thing. Co founder of bamboo IPX, which had had a market cap of like two and a half billion. He's the CEO of NeuroGym, which is a company that's dedicated literally to changing how you think. He is a thought processor, a thought leader.

He was in The Secret, and we are lucky to have him here in the studio. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. This is John Asereff. Hey, hey, great to be with you. How are you, man? I'm doing so good. It's so great that we're able to make this happen

I know and you know what and I didn't even include best-selling offer author. I'm sorry three time best-selling author So, you know you are somebody I want to talk a little bit about for people that aren't familiar with you I want to talk a little bit about that early life struggles Sure, because I always like to I always like to dive into the nature versus nurture of success So tell me about young John Aseref Because I always like to dive into the nature versus nurture of success. So tell me about young John Asereff. Listen, like many people, I grew up with a dysfunctional family.

I think that's normal. Parents were unhappily married. Got married for the wrong reasons, but they had my brother, my sister and I. And we lived like, listen, normal childhood, right? Roof over our heads. My parents worked hard every day. My father was a cab driver.

My mother worked as a seamstress, trying to make ends meet. And most of the months, there was too much month left at the end of the money. My dad was a gambler, alcoholic, physically abusive to me, mentally and emotionally abusive to my mom, and moved us, fortunately, from Israel to Montreal when I was five. Now, the reason they moved was they wanted to get away from the wars, the wars that are still going on right now. So this was literally, you know, 56 years ago or so,

a little bit longer. And when I moved to Montreal, I was five and I spoke English, I spoke Hebrew, but I was put into a classroom with, you know, a bunch of people. And I I moved to Montreal, I was five and I spoke Hebrew, but I was put into a classroom with 60 other immigrants who hardly spoke any language that any of us knew. And I quickly fell behind by two years in school.

So I was getting in trouble because I was bored in the classroom. I felt like I wasn't smart because my grades were terrible. I would come home and get beaten by my father for having poor grades only to feel like I'm not smart enough, not good enough, not worthy of it, of success in school. And that was the self-image that I developed. And so I hung out with a group of kids that would go across the street to the stores and shoplift

The shoplifting led to drug selling the drug selling led to drug using the drug using led to breaking and entries the breaking entries Let me to jail or detention centers and police departments kicked out of school grade 11. I left failed English failed math and said I'm gonna keep doing the hoodlum things and surviving this way on the streets. What was the hinge point that made you say, there can be something other than this? Well, there are two things that happened simultaneously that were great.

One, I was traveling at the airport, I was going to the airport and in front of me was this guy and this woman. And I recognized the guy and his name was Denis. And my buddy and I, who I was selling drugs with, we're selling this guy drugs. And we found out at the counter that he was a cop. Oh boy. So I'm like, holy shit. And what the counter that he was a cop. Oh boy. So I'm like, holy shit. And what dawned on me was my father said to me, even the best juggler in the world will drop what he is juggling once in a while.

And so here I am looking at this guy that we've been selling drugs to, and he's a cop. So wait, was he a cop that was using drugs or was this a stain? No, he was a cop. He was trying to get us to sell him more and more and more drugs to find out our sources and all that stuff. So that's kind of like part one. Yeah. Part two was my brother who I've been dear friends with for my whole life. He's nine years older than I am. He was worried about my well-being. One of the kids that was in the little group that I was in was in jail.

Another one had died. And my brother and my sister were afraid that I'm going down this path. And I knew what I was doing was wrong. So I knew right from wrong. I knew that what I was doing was illegal. I knew what I was doing could get me in trouble. But there was this amnesia around, I'm not

going to get caught. Convincible. Yeah, 19 years old, my brother was concerned for my wellbeing and my brother at the time was a tennis pro. He had just finished playing on the circuit when he was in his twenties and he moved to Toronto, Canada. I lived in Montreal at the time and he moved to Toronto, Canada and he was teaching this one guy, his name was Alan, he was in his 20s. And he moved to Toronto, Canada. I lived in Montreal at the time. And he moved to Toronto, Canada,

and he was teaching this one guy, his name was Alan Brown, tennis. And Alan Brown was a philanthropist in town that everybody knew, a real estate developer, had real estate offices, and was just a really nice guy from what my brother said to me. He said, hey, listen, I know you don't want to continue working in my com,

which is a subsidiary of Phillips in the shipping department. Why don't you come down to Toronto and let's have lunch with him. Maybe he like you, maybe he'll offer you a job to work in his real estate company. I said, sure, I'll come down. So I took the train. Nothing to lose. Yeah. Took the train on a Friday, Friday morning, got the day off from work and met my

brother and we went to lunch to meet this gentleman, Mr. Allen Brown. He was white hair, handsome man, in shape, probably fifties, somewhere in that range. It was very, very, very soft spoken. And we just started chit chatting, small talk. And he asked me, what are my goals? And I said, well, I'd like to leave the company that I'm working for in the shipping department, cause I'm making a dollar 65 an hour and I hate it. I'd like to move out of my parents' house cause they won't let me bring girls over.

I want some independence and I'd like to buy a car because I really don't want to take the subway, and the bus to school anymore, to work anymore. It's cold in Montreal. And she says, that's all great, but what are some of your bigger goals and dreams? So I don't have any, I just want that. Like $1.65 an hour is not a lot of money. I'm making more money selling drugs.

And I don't want to do that anymore, but you get used is not a lot of money. I'm making more money selling drugs. And I don't want to do that anymore, but you get used to making a lot of money. The necessity. So he said to me, would you mind answering a few questions for me? And then we can take it from there. And I said, sure. So he reaches into his briefcase.

This is how far back this goes, briefcase. And he pulls out this document and it was the 1980 goal setting guide. Okay. So he says, read the questions, answer them to the best of your ability, and then let's talk about it. I said, okay, Mr. Brown.

So I opened up the first page and I still laugh. I'm 19. Yeah. The first question was, at what age do you want to retire? I'm like, retire? I want a fricking job. I want to retire? I'm like, retire? I want a freaking job. I want to call me a buck 65 an hour. I want to retire. Nobody in my family is retired.

Like, retire. I was asked him, what am I supposed to put here? And he said, um, just pick a number. I said, well, when do people retire? My father's, you know, in his fifties and like, he's not retired. My aunt's an uncle. Nobody's retired. He says, you know, somewhere 45, 50 is a good age

from 19, you're 26 years old. So I wrote down 45. Second question, upon retirement, how much net worth do you want to have? So I said to him, excuse me, what does net worth mean? I'm like green as green can be. So he explains to me assets minus liabilities, there's a number left over,

that's what your net worth is that you can maybe have cash. I said, what should I put there? He said, well, 45, you're gonna retire, you're gonna need enough money for like 30 years, so better be millions. I'm like, millions? Like the only people I thought made millions were the people on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous TV show. And so I said, what am I supposed to put? He says, pick a number. So I said,

is three enough? He says, sure, put it down. Put down three million, retire 45, three million. What kind of home do you want? Four bedroom, two car garage, you know, plenty of land. What kind of car do you want? Mercedes Benz convertible for sure. Where do you want to travel? All over the world. How do you want to travel? First class. Who do you want to help? My mother and father would like to retire them. What kind of clothes you want? Italian clothes. I just wrote down. Started running. To these questions, just made up shit, pulled it out of my ass. And he grabs the document when I'm done, I gave it to him and he reads it. He says,

now if you could achieve all of these things, would you consider that to be an ordinary life or an extraordinary life? I go, well, Mr. Brown, I mean, this would be an extraordinary life. There's nobody we know that has that and is living this lifestyle. He goes, I'm going to ask you one question. And the answer to this question will tell me whether you will achieve all of these things or not. And again, 19 cocky. Can I guess?

Can I guess? Sure, guess. Did he ask you what you were going to give up to get it? Nope. Okay, all right, that was my guess. That was my guess. So he asked me a question. He leans in and he says,

son, are you interested in achieving this lifestyle and these goals? Or are you committed to achieving them? John, I'm like, am I interested or am I committed? I'm like, I didn't know the difference. I said to him, feeling stupid again, which I felt a lot in school, what's the difference? And he smiles and he leans in, he was, son.

When somebody is interested, they come up with stories and reasons and excuses of why it can't be done or why they won't do it. It says they allow their current circumstances or their past failures and traumas to control their thinking, thereby repeating the same patterns over and over and over again, which lead to the same results. But people who are committed upgrade their identity to match the destiny that they are committed to achieving. They upgrade their knowledge, they upgrade their skills,

they upgrade what they believe and then they take consistent action until it becomes second nature to do the things required to achieve the goals that you wrote down on this document that I know are achievable. So now that you know the answer, son, which are you? And John, to this day, I was excited, I was nervous, and I don't know why, but I said, well, in that case, sir, I'm committed. And he leans in with a big smile, puts out his hand, and says, in that case, son, I will be your mentor. Wow. And I said, wow, what's a mentor. Yeah. And he explained to me what a mentor was. And then he said, okay, listen,

the first thing I need you to do is move from Montreal to Toronto. I said, what do you mean move from Montreal to Toronto? Where am I going to live? I only have $50 figured out in the bank. He says to me, he says, listen, successful people make decisions first and figure out how after. So I said, fine, by the way, I'm giving you the short version. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. I said, fine. I'll move. Um, he said, the next thing I need to do is, he says on April 5th, no, May 5th, 1980, there's the real estate class begins.

I need you to get your real estate license. I go, what do you mean the real estate class? He goes, well, you're going to have to go to school, nine to five every day, pass the test, get your real estate license. And then I could possibly offer you a job in my company because you have to be a licensed real estate. I said, you want me to go back to school? He goes, yes, you need a license. I said, but I failed English, I failed math.

I don't know anything about real estate. He said, stop, here you go again, giving me stories and reasons and excuses why you can't. This is the sign that somebody was interested, not the sign that somebody was committed. I said, well, but I don't do well in school. I cheated on every fricking test, you know, in high school to try and get out of high school.

He says, well, are you gonna do it or not? I said, fine, I'll do it. He says, and you're gonna need $500 to pay for the course. I go, 500 bucks, I got $50 in the bank. Could have been a million dollars. $50 in the bank. He says, well, I know what you have in the bank. Yeah, could have been a million dollars. $50 in the bank. He says, well, I know what you have in the bank. You told me.

He says, but figure out how to get the $500 and let's get this done. And I am fighting him like tooth and nail, holding onto my old identity and my present reality, which was the truth, by the way, 50 bucks in the bank, living with my parents, nowhere to live in Toronto, hate school, didn't do well in school, don't think I'm smart enough,

don't think I'm good enough. Yeah. And he's challenging me to break this pattern and the language and the emotions that go with it. So long story short, borrowed money from my mother, my sister, my brother, my father, my father didn't have any, I figured it out, moved in with my brother in Toronto.

Figured it out. He let me use his car to go to school. The manager, what's the manager's name? I've got a picture of the manager. The manager helped me study for the test and he tested me and quizzed me every day in the office after school. Joe. Joe was the name of the manager at his real estate office and I passed the test on June 20th, 1980 and I got my real estate office. And I passed the test on June 20th, 1980. And I got my real estate license. And the reason I remember these dates so well,

the day I passed the test, I started to cry because it was the first time I didn't feel like I was dumb. I didn't cheat to pass a test. And I thought to myself for the first time, maybe you're not dumb. Yeah. Maybe you're not stupid. You just learned real estate law. You just, so I had the slightest evidence that may, maybe my idea of myself, the paradigm I had of myself was not right.

And only because of school. Yeah. But I think so many people though get stuck in that paradigm. And I think what you just said is a fable for this example. This is if you're around people with that scarcity mindset, that, that limiting belief mindset, you're going to adopt it. And when you get around somebody that has that just growth mindset, you're gonna adopt it. And when you get around somebody that has that just growth mindset and that just achiever mindset,

it's so unbelievable for people to think that people really think this way. And it's really hard for people to kind of get over that hump and once you can, I think that's amazing. So my question is this, right? So what do you think he saw in you as a kid? Here's this guy that's obviously reached a certain level and I talk about this in business all the time There are seasons of business and when you hit that certain season of success

You want to find some people to help them bring up you want to real success is reaching back to pull forward, right? And you want to find those people. So what do you think it was about you, that kid sitting there that he said, this is the kid? I think he saw potential that I didn't see. But I think in him challenging me and me breaking through my limitations, he saw that there's some real potential to help me. Cause I came up with the stories, the reasons, the excuses and the evidence, and I was charged, you know?

Um, and then I let him lead and guide and I trusted him. So I put some trust and faith that he knew better than I did. That was very hard for me is, you know, growing up on the streets a lot, you trust you and, and the budget, you hard for me is, you know, growing up on the streets a lot, you trust you and the buddies that are with you, you know, during one of your drug deals or breaking entries.

Like I learned to trust them. I got their back, they've got my back. And there's a code of honor. Everybody else, I didn't trust. So I'm the one who's doing all the illegal stuff, but I didn't trust everybody else, right? Right. So he saw that and then the best part of all of this said, he offered me a job.

You know the best part? Zero ink, zero salary. Oh sure. Commission only. Yeah. What? I went from a dollar 65 to zero. To zero.

What? I went from a dollar 65 to zero. To zero. To zero. But, but day one in the office, June 21st, 1980, he brought out that document with my answers to the questions. And then he says, now that we have some goals, is there anything you want to modify? No, I mean, this is like, this is the shit.

This, this like house, car, travel, money. I'm like, I'm like, I'm down for this. He goes, great. Um, here's part two of the exercise. What do you think you would need to believe about yourself in order to achieve these goals? There's a wise guy. Oh, he's wise. Man. And he had a process, right? So he led me to the imagination first.

And then, so I'd have to believe I'm smart enough. I had to believe that I'm good enough. I have to believe that I'm skilled enough. I wrote down all of these and then Joe helped me, the manager, wouldn't you have to believe that you can do this right now? Would you have to believe that it's possible? Wouldn't you have to believe that you can do this right now? Would you have to believe that it's possible? Wouldn't you have to believe that, you know, I wrote down like 10 or 15 beliefs that I

would have to believe. And he said, now what I want you to do is I want you to look at your vision and your goals and read it. I want you to close your eyes and just pretend that all of these things are already real and true. How does it make you feel? I read it, you know, I'm 45, retired, $3 million. I feel energized. I feel excited.

I feel a little bit, you know, that's not possible, but I'm feeling this. And then I'm reading what I would need to believe in order to achieve that. And he said, now, if you really believed these things, that you were knowledgeable enough, you deserved it, you were smart enough, and you learned what to do to earn this, you think it's possible. I said, yeah, if I believe this and I learned how to do this, of course I believe it's possible. He says, great. Let's move to the how part next. So he helped me realize that it's doable

with the right structure. So he said, I want you to learn this script. He said, in real estate, you have to do marketing. So I was a real estate agent now, right? I had a license, real estate agent. Says you've got to do marketing and you've got to learn how to sell. So the first part of marketing is getting listings

or finding buyers. Because that is the highest impact and income producing activity you can do. So I said, okay, what do I need to learn? Pick up the phone. Well, he had the phone in front of me. I had one of those books with the streets behind the office and around the office

with name, phone number, address. And he had a script on like a little pedestal. And the script was, hi, this John Asaroff with Allen Brown Real Estate Company. We have somebody who's looking to buy a home in the neighborhood. Have you thought about making a move? If they say yes, I go, great.

Can my broker Allen Brown and I come over today at three o'clock or would five o'clock be better? He said, that's an alternative choice. Yeah. Don't ask them if you can come over, ask them what time. So I had the script. If they said yes, what time can we come over? If they said no, I said, oh, thank you.

Oh, by the way, do you know if any of the neighbors are looking to make a move? If they said yes, great. Would you mind getting me their name and number? If they said no, oh, one final question. Just so we can keep track of you and your home, have you considered if you're going to make a move in the next year or three or five? And if they said yes, we have put it into this card system. So he had a process to teach me cold calling. So he had a process to teach me, you know, cold calling. And my job, I had a sheet of paper with a hundred boxes on the sheet of paper.

Box one said $15, box two 30, box three 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 120, 135, 150, 175, et cetera, et cetera. He said, here's your job. Every day, make it through the hundred boxes. Call a hundred phone numbers, see how many people you can speak to. Here's what I promise you. Over the next 30 days, you do this for every day,

you will start making money. So I fumbled at first. I was a clumsy beginner, because I was reading, hi, this is John Asraff with Allen Brown Real Estate Company. You sure that's who this is? Yeah, it's terrible. So I was terrible.

I mean like terrible. Reading off of the script, trying to talk into the phone. There was no headsets. Well, you weren't listening at that point. You were just talking. I was talking. Yeah, you weren't listening. So I not only practiced the script there,

but then Joe had me record the script onto a cassette tape. And they said, on your way to work, on your way to look at homes, which is what real estate agents do, so they're familiar with the area, listen to this over and over and over again. So I memorized the script so that I didn't need the script anymore.

Listen, I'm 63 now. You still know it. I still just recited the script to you. Yeah, you did. Right? You did. I'm 63, I was 20 at the time. Yeah.

43 years ago, I learned that script. I think it's ingrained. It's ingrained, because I did it for a whole six months every day. And then he taught me another script. Over the next six months, I made $62,000 because of the listings I got or the buyers that I found, because we also did ads.

Which was more than you ever thought possible. My father made 25 grand that year as a cab driver. I made 62,000. I got 31,000 out in six months. Yeah. I thought I died and went to heaven. Yeah. And then he said, great, time to upgrade your skills again now that you know that script.

He's Tommy Hopkins for sale by owner script. And so this script was, you know, go into the, go into the newspaper every day, cut out all the ads, paste the ads onto these little three by five cards by phone number, because people change the ad, but they don't change the phone number. So I learned this system, and then my script for that was high. I noticed that you're trying to sell your home privately.

This John Assoff with Allen Brown Real Estate Company, and I'm not looking to sell your house. If I bring a buyer, will you pay me? If I can find a buyer, you know, to buy your home privately. This is John Assoff with the Allen Brown Real Estate Company and I'm not looking to sell your house. If I bring a buyer, will you pay me? If I can find a buyer to buy your home, would you be willing to pay me a small commission we could agree on afterwards? Yeah, great. Do you mind if I come see the house today at three o'clock

or five o'clock so that I can talk intelligently to our buyers and I'll let the other agents in the office know. Now, the process he taught me was the purpose of the phone call was just to get to see the house to meet them. And I learned an entire process, you know, for sale by owners. You know what's so funny is as you talk about this, it's. This is 1980. You're cutting ads out of the newspaper.

You're using a phone book inverted, whatever the tools have changed But the skill to be able to connect with somebody and make them believe that you can because you genuinely can solve their problem That's right that skill set transcends all technology all AI everything which is why I tell people You know I get asked that question a lot by people on panels whatever that do you think AI is gonna replace real estate agents and? And I'm like, no. And they go, why not? And I go, because much like real estate agents got, or travel agents got downsized. I still love a good travel agent, especially if I'm going to take an elaborate trip. I love a good travel agent, but they did get that, that industry got decimated by orbits and the other companies that came out.

The reason that real estate agents will always have a job is because the majority of people, when making the largest single transaction or financial investment of their entire life, they need somebody to tell them it's okay to do it. And I get it, somebody right now is just going, no, I can do it without your help. No, no, I get it, dude.

But the majority of people need somebody or want somebody that is a trusted professional to tell them this is okay. Even you mentioned AI, but teaching AI to my students for two and a half years now, and help them grow their companies, their businesses. And when I teach them is even though people want to use AI, most people prefer somebody else to do it for them. Yeah.

And what Alan Brown shared with me back then to use AI, most people prefer somebody else to do it for them. Yeah. Right. And, and what Alan Brown, you know, shared with me back then is there's a process and structure for every goal you want to achieve. There's a mindset piece, there's a skillset piece, and there's a behavior piece. And if you don't have the skillset, then you're basically trying to like solve a Rubik's view without structure. And if you don't have the mindset piece, you're not going to take action even if you have the skillset.

Yeah. So the mindset piece was the, the, the inner game stuff, the self belief, the identity, you know, piece that, you know, I can do this, I can achieve this, I can learn this, I can let go of whatever I need to let go of. I can start whatever I need to start. And I was the, the worst part for me was I wasn't good at structure. I was good at setting the goal and the vision and what Alan Brown provided me.

And then later on, when I got into the franchising world, the franchising, you know, provided me was a process later on, when I got into the franchising world, franchising, you know, provided me with a process, a system, paint by number. And what I've discovered in 44 years of brain research now is every brain functionally works the same. And some brains are really, really good at structure. Some brains are not. Some brains are much more structure. Some brains are not.

Some brains are much more social. Some are more conceptual. Some are more analytical. But everyone needs a structure to follow. We need a structure to cook. We need a structure to drive a car. We need a structure for language. We need a structure.

And most people don't have the structure for language. We need a structure and most people don't have the structure for success. If you want to, now in today's day and age, we talked about AI, how to achieve anything, how to stop anything, how to start anything, how to achieve anything, how to lose weight and keep it off, how to have a better marriage, how to have better sex, how to make more money, how to build a million dollar or $10 million business, all the how to have better sex, how to make more money, how to build a million dollar or a $10 million business, all the how-to exists. Yeah, it all exists. In seconds, I could have it in my fingertips. That's not the major issue.

There's three other parts that if we don't address when we're talking about high performance, we're leaving a big portion of what it really takes to achieve. So I'll give you an example. Let's say you teach somebody like me cold calling skills, but you don't deal with their fear of being rejected. If you don't deal with their fear of being embarrassed,

ashamed, ridiculed, judged, if you don't deal with their fear of failure, if you don't deal with their fear of being embarrassed, ashamed, ridiculed, judged, if you don't deal with their fear of failure, if you don't deal with their fear of disappointing themselves or others, you're missing a huge piece of the motive required for action. Because when the fear circuit is activated in somebody's brain,

the behavior circuit, the take action circuit turns off. It turns off. Fight or flight. Fight, flight or freeze. Yeah. Right? And it's not that they don't want to take action. They don't know how to turn the switch off

and turn the other switch back on. And they're focusing on the pain or discomfort, whether they're aware of it or not. So emotional regulation has to be a part for all entrepreneurs. You want to raise money for your company, you want to sell your company, you want to take it public. There's a fear of making mistakes. There's a fear of screwing it up. Oh, there's a fear of things shifting or

changing or not doing it right. But highly successful people learn how to feel the fear, the doubt, the uncertainty. And they learn how to do it anyway. But they also learn how to mitigate their risks. If they're smart, there is a chapter, a whole chapter in my book that's coming out November 5th about risk mitigation and how to measure and evaluate risk. And when you talk about overcoming fear and insecurity in these things,

are you talking about conditioning your brain to think differently or are you simply reframing the obstacle in a way that doesn't make it fearful? In some cases, you reframe the obstacle that doesn't make it fearful. But before we even reframe the obstacle, we have to recognize when the fear circuit is impacting.

Like why? Yeah, why? Why, like, our brain has networks, like the salience network, executive function, default mode network. These are networks like computer networks. And then we have circuits that turn on or off. And one minute we can have the motivational circuit turned on. So let's talk about young men.

Let's say they're in school and there's somebody that they're attracted to. Right? You know, they're initially get motivated to go and talk to the guy or the girl. It doesn't matter. But then all of a sudden their buddy says, she rejects everybody. Yeah. She's just going to give you the hand or she's going to reject you. Well, all of a sudden, if my friends are watching and I go and talk to her and she basically, you know,

rejects me, then I'm gonna be embarrassed. And they might, you know, judge me, and they might reject me, and they might, you know, cause me to feel a certain way. So in that situation, do you try to reframe, again, reframing or conditioning? The first thing we wanna do is recognize when the fear circuit is turned on.

Okay. So first it's awareness. Awareness of thoughts, emotions, feelings, sensations, behaviors. So why do I keep not wanting to make those calls? Why do I keep not going and talking to him or her? What's the real reason behind the reason? What's the real reason? Like what's causing me, the circuit to go active?

And so it's only going gonna be either being embarrassed, ashamed, ridiculed, judged, failing, and what it means to me, being disappointed. And those are the main seven or eight fears that we have. And so whenever we become aware, we go, okay, so let's say that I take the action and I fail. Can I handle it if I had to? If I, if I fail.

What's the worst case scenario? That's right, can I handle it if I had to? If the answer is, well, yeah, if I had to handle it, I can handle it, great, take action. Because we've already established you can handle it. If the answer is no, I can't handle it, now we go a little bit deeper. Well what specifically do I think I cannot handle?

Right, so let's say, well I can't handle losing all my money in this transaction. Great, okay, now we're dealing with a fear of loss and a fear of things changing drastically because I won't have money for the mortgage, the rent, the car payment, whatever the case is. So now it's a more serious threat. Yeah. So now we go to, okay, what would have to happen in order for me to mitigate the risk so that the worst outcome I can handle?

Because I don't want this to be an all or nothing game. I think I find that so many people, their biggest fear is simply looking foolish. And one of the things- Embarrassed. That's the biggest fear. Embarrassed. And one of the things I love that right now

seems to be coming out of the hustle culture, if you'll call it, is I saw Hermosy post this the other day. I loved it. You know, Alex, the guy who lives here in Vegas. He posted, normally the people that achieve the greatest success are the people that are willing to be embarrassed the longest. Absolutely. And I think when you start,

when you start seeing these guys of very high stature saying it's okay to be embarrassed, it's okay to not know what you're doing. It's okay to look like an idiot. Well, but even saying that I'm going to be embarrassed, why would I feel like I'm going to be embarrassed, why would I feel like I'm going to be embarrassed? Yeah, why? Listen, yesterday I was on a TV filming with one of our friends, David Meltzer,

and I was a panel judge for part of it, and then our panel list for part of it, and in the hot seat for another part. And in one of the questions, I fumbled the answer. I said, hold on, stop. Give me a sec. I need to retake on that. While this is filming, this is not going to be edited out. Hold on a second. Hold on. Now what I want to answer is this. Now I didn't feel embarrassed.

Cause I'm okay making mistakes. I'm okay failing. I'm okay. Whether it's public or private, I don't care. And it was more important for you to clarify good information than it was to just let it roll. So the reason we feel embarrassed is because of the meaning that we give fumbling or making a mistake or failing. I don't give failing a negative meaning. Well, okay, let's talk about this

because we talked about cold calling earlier and I'll tell you one of the things that I do or I do to get people over the fear of rejection on the phone is we value the no, which means how many calls to take to get you to get to a yes. What is a yes worth? Take the value of the yes, whatever it is and divide all those nos into it. And now every time somebody tells you to suck it or hang up on you or call you a name, you just made 300 bucks. Whatever it is. You remember I said to you that the chart, the thing that I had, I never finished it.

Yeah. 15, 30, 40, that was for all the calls that I made. Every time I made a call, it was worth 15 bucks. Yeah. Cause I had to make a hundred calls to make 1500. Yeah. So it's exactly the same thing you just said. Yeah.

I learned that 40 years ago. Yeah. But now, see now you're telling me, and again, which is so great, I feel like I should be digging into why would you be embarrassed? That's exactly right. So I'm not, I'm not embarrassed. So how would it, so let's see, so help me help the folks that listen. We have a lot of real estate people listening.

The meaning I give anything causes how I feel. The meaning I give anything. So if I give a meaning example, I make a call, a cold call or I ask a girl or a guy or I do something and somebody vehemently rejects me and calls me a fucking asshole. Yeah. Okay, it doesn't mean anything other than they hung up on me.

I failed, what did I learn? Failing to me are lessons learned. Oh, I'm not a failure. See, there's a difference between failure and a loser. Failure and a loser and failure. And I'm a failure. Yeah. What I tried failed.

The timing failed, the strategy failed, the tactic failed, but the fact that I tried, I'm a winner. Yeah. So failures are some of our greatest lessons. Now, the question that we can also ask ourselves is what did I learn and what can I do the next time so that I get the result that I want? Now, when we're doing sales, a out of 100 people do not say yes ever.

So let's change the expectation, right? Maybe five will say yes, maybe two, maybe three, maybe one out of this 100 will say yes, maybe none of them out of 200 and then 30 the next go around say yes right off the bat. So in sales, it's a numbers game and dating, it's a bat. So in sales it's a numbers game, in dating it's a numbers game, in business it's a numbers game. But I wanna point something out about that though

that you just said. It is so hyper important to track your KPIs to understand exactly how many calls it does take. Of course. If you look at my office where you walked into, inadvertently you walked into my personal real estate team's office earlier. There's a board up there that shows the active KPIs

based on their calls, how many dials they have to make to get a deal. And it's based on the math of what they're doing in real time right now. Every success is all about specific predictable behaviors. Well, let me ask you this. So, you know, I always think to myself, we went on a cruise many, many years ago

and there was the kids talent show. My kids were in the kids club every day as they are. And they go, yeah, come to the talent show. Okay, fine. So we go. And my son was maybe seven and then they go, okay, for our next act, hating Gafford's going to do a dance. And me and my wife were like, what, so what? And my son comes out in front of all these people and he's jumping around like he's got epilepsy on the stage to oompa Gangnam style on this thing and we're just laughing if we're recording it. It's awesome. And at the end of it, I said dude How did that happen? Like and they said does anybody have any talent?

I just raised my hand said I could dance and I've always said if I had The confidence of my eight-year-old son I always said, if I had the confidence of my eight year old son, I could do it. So here's the thing, at what point do you think, I think all kids have that. So at what point do you think you lose that and why do you lose it and how do you overcome it? So let's dive into a little neuroscience.

Yeah, love it, that's why you're here. Was any human, there's been 110 billion humans walking on planet earth since the beginning of time. Were any of them born with any beliefs about anything? No. Were any of them born with any fear? No. Were any of them born with a self-image

and a self-confidence of themselves? No. Zero. So we're born a clean slate and we weren't born with any knowledge or skills. We have innate ability to suck on. Breathe and cry. Right. Breathe, cry, eat and shit and the rest is autonomic nervous system taking care of everything

else. So we learned what to believe. We learned what to be afraid of. We learned what is embarrassing and what is not. We learned to be afraid of snakes or to take selfies with them. We learned to be afraid of flying or not to be. So what is that in the brain? Well, in the early years when we're born,

there's something called the imprinting years. And basically everybody's heard, you know, when a duck or a chicken is born, the first thing that it sees, it imprints to that thing. So it basically matches and mirrors that and learns from it. Well, as children, you know, we hear, we don't even see yet. We learn how to see. Our eyes, you know, our brain does not see yet. So we're not born with any patterns that have been reinforced

through experience. So we learn from our parents to believe what's good or bad, to believe whether we're good enough or smart enough or not smart enough from our teachers. I believed I wasn't smart enough because of my school education and doing so poorly in school. That was the only feedback you was getting. That was the only feedback I had. Report card. So I had the report card, you know, I had the, the D's and the F's if I got any grades, if I showed

up, then I'd go home. My father would beat the hell out of me because I got, you know, poor grades, which reinforced, I'm not very smart. So then I got it beaten into me. And then, you know, I went back and repeated the pattern until I was 19. So we learn what is embarrassing, you know, so how do we learn?

Well, you're on a sports team and you miss a basket, you miss a shot, you're on the spelling bee and you miss a word, you answer a question in class and you get the answer wrong and your friends go, ha ha ha, you're so stupid. Right, you come home in some cases and a parent tells you you'll never amount to much. I know you can't believe that but. It happens. But it happens all over the world and in almost every culture.

So we start to develop these limitations from zero to about 13, there's something called the neuroplasticity switch. It's the brain's on switch to create and reinforce patterns. Beliefs are patterns, fears are patterns, confidence is patterns, self-image is a pattern. So we develop these neural patterns,

which become soft-wired in our brain, and they move into a part of the brain called the cerebellum, which is the habitual part of the brain. So I now develop these patterns from zero to 13, 14, and then the neuroplasticity switch goes from mostly on to mostly off. Like we're set, we got all the data we need. And then we're in the reinforcement pattern,

the experiential years of reinforcement patterns. So now we look for the evidence and we reinforce it. Our brain doesn't care if it's the right pattern, the wrong pattern, the constructive pattern, destructive pattern, empowering you. It doesn't care. Well, let me ask this because like I have two kids, right? And as little kids, my son Hayden, fearless, fearless with roller coasters or whatever else.

My daughter Roma, same environment, same everything, same, same everything. Terrified. Yeah. So what's the difference? How does that happen? You're assuming that everything she learned and experienced about roller coasters came from you. Oh, that's a good point. She's got friends. She goes to their houses, homes. She's got, you know, teams that she's on. She's got classes. She's got girlfriends, guy friends, and they all talk, and they all share their experiences. Oh my God. I went to the park and we were on the roller coaster and there was a kid that almost fell out off of there and I was so scared and they stopped. Yeah, I'm not doing that. That's true. I'm not doing that. That's fair. So

we learn how to react. We learn what to fear. We learn all to react. We learn what to fear. We learn all that stuff. I've got two boys as well, 30 and 28 now. And I've jumped out of planes with them. I've gone acrobat flying with them. I've done paragliding with them. I've done diving with them.

I've taken them on every excursion. They've tried every type of food so that I wouldn't have that happen, you know, to my sons who are willing to try anything now. And they're not fearless, but they don't allow fear to hold them hostage. So we become conditioned programming, and then our brain just reinforces the programming, which also leads to, you know, you're in real estate, I'm in real estate. When an agent, for example, or a salesperson, or a business owner is used to making 50,000 a year

or a hundred thousand dollars a year or 500,000 a year, how many of them 10X the next year? Yeah, very, very few. Why? We have these cybernetic mechanisms in our brain, these set points, we have it for our weight. We have it for our relationships. We have it for our business. We have it for our income and any deviation in the set point, high or low, like a thermostat.

I always use the thermostat. Calibrates back to the comfort zone. So we might have a good month that we sabotage or sabotage or procrastinate, or we go on vacation. The real estate roller coaster, as I like to call it. Well, the real estate roller coaster. But by the same token, for example, when COVID hit and people were disrupted in a major way years ago, the people who had to figure it out, figured it out.

Yeah. Maybe you made a little bit less money in some cases, maybe you made- We smashed it. Or you smashed it. We smashed it. Right? So there are people, for example,

that because it's December, they think they can't make a lot of money. Let's say they're in sales. Oh, I love this. I love it. I used to have the best months ever in December. I will tell you this, this company we have the best month is December. And here's why. I'll tell you why I have this thing.

I have this theory that pumpkin spice latte is like anesthesia to realtors. Like as soon as it comes out in October, they're like, well, you know, Thanksgiving's coming and then the holidays and I'm going to start working on my business plan for January. They all go to sleep. So there's nobody making calls. There's nobody grinding. There's nobody grinding. And the people, my team grinds like crazy every November, December, and we crush. See, that's a philosophy. Yeah. That's a belief. I love my behavior. Listen, I learned that again, I'm going to go back 43 years ago.

So it was the same then. So yeah, I had my best months in December because my broker said to me, everybody goes to sleep during this time. And the people who are smart that are the producers, they crank it out right now, take off time in January. Yeah. So I used to work all the way through to New Year's, make the final deals for the end of the year,

take the first two weeks of January off. Cause Jan one, man, if you're on any type of a call list, it's like first day at the gym. It's like Jan one. So if we go back to, but this is a mindset, right? This is a mindset, but here's another piece that you're gonna learn. So when we're dealing with this neuroscience of success,

this may shock some people. So pay attention to everybody to what I'm about to say. We don't see reality out there. Second by second, our brain is constructing the reality that we already have in here. Okay, give me an example. So let's say you believe, okay, that December's a slow month.

Your brain constructs a slow December and finds all the evidence for a slow December. Let's say you're used to making 10 grand or 15 grand a month or a week, it doesn't matter. Your brain constructs all the patterns for that reality to show up in front of you. So you don't see what there is to see. We see what we are conditioned and programmed to see

based on our map and belief of reality. So I know, look, you were featured on The Secret when that came out. So this is obviously now we're getting into the law of attraction. We're getting into metaphysical stuff, which I love. I think it's great. Your first book, I think was the one for vision boards, correct? No, first book was called Having It All. Having It All. It became a New York Times bestseller. And then the, when was the vision book? The vision board book was the third book. The second book was called the answer, how to grow any business, achieve financial freedom, or live an extraordinary life.

The third book was the vision board. The vision board. Yeah. So it was the vision board kit is what it's called. The reason I bring that up is cause I'm guessing that the best way to change your construct or your belief or your view is through tools like vision boards.

Well, you use the vision board. So if we think about like vision boards are waste of time on their own, what's the purpose of a vision board? Well, it's a picture representation of a goal of a vision. What's the purpose of a pilot having the coordinates of where she wants the plane to land, the city? Yeah, you have to have a map. Well, you gotta have the destination first

and then you build the map towards it. If you're, you said you were just on a cruise. What if the captain, when you hopped on the cruise says, hey everyone, we're just gonna be sailing around for seven days? Then we'd be on Carnival. You're like. Wait, I don't know what they do though, I'm just kidding.

Right, so the vision board is an instruction to your brain of this is what it looks like. Okay, this is the house, this is the car, this is the business, this is the income, this is the charity, this is the time off, this is the vacation. It's the clarity for your brain to have a coordinate to lock and load in on. Well, the thing I wanted to bring up about it is,

look, I've never been a vision board guy, right? It seems silly to me to sit with the magazines and cut the stuff up and look at this blah, blah, blah, until now with Chat, GBT, I am all about it because you can make such specific images that are hyper real. If you go to my gym in my house, right there on the, on the big mirror, I've got four images that I look at every day and I feel like what it's achieve. And one is best on my book. One is a lawsuit settling, and it's a picture of the settlement and the amount that I'm owed every day and I feel like what it's achieve. And one is bestseller of my book. One is a lawsuit settling and it's a picture of the settlement

and the amount that I'm owed. And I mean, all this stuff and I'm a believer, man. And I think being really specific with that, the more specific you can be, the better off it is. Listen, do you have a goal for, you know, your volume of real estate for the year? Yeah, we are. Every year we have a goal. Why? Why do we have a goal? You just let them do what they wanna do?

Because if you don't measure it, it doesn't get better. But you have to have a target to measure. Yes. And the more clear you are on the target, you can say, here's the number of listings we need, here's the number of sales we need, here's the number of agents we need to help achieve that. And if we do that, then it allows us to be the number one or two real estate company in Vegas

It allows the agents to live great lives It allows us to take care of the community and to do the charitable things you want to communities to serve the community It allows us to invest in real estate allows us to to invest our money in our community and to feed You know the other members of community and that makes us feel good because we can do things for the charities here that make a difference. And so we have this vision. Yeah. Well, so the money is the vehicle, the activities are the vehicles to achieving the vision.

So a vision board just gives your occipital lobe, the biggest part of your brain, a picture of what the completion looks like. Listen, real estate, you don't go to a builder and say, build me a house. No, you pick everything out, do the plans. Well, and then you have a schematic, you have a blueprint. Yeah, you have everything. So a vision board is just a blueprint

of what it looks like upon completion, and then we back off from the vision board is just a blueprint of what it looks like upon completion. And then we back off from the vision board and we say, okay, what are the steps towards that? And then we set some goals towards that, right? And then we develop the strategies to achieve the goals. And then, so we think, we plan, we take action, we review and tweak the plans. I think, I wanna go back a little bit

cause I should have said, I meant to say this when you were talking about something else. But when you talk about limiting beliefs that hold you back and all of this stuff, I think if you boil it, I don't want to simplify this too much and tell me if I'm wrong,

but it really comes down to fear. Is the prep? No, that's not right. Okay, then correct me there. No, fear is fear. limited belief is limited belief. We're dealing with patterns in the brain that trigger circuits and there's stimuli either from external that triggers the circuit

or from internal that triggers the circuit. So I can have a belief that I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, I'm worthy enough, and I can also have a fear of failing. I can have a fear of being embarrassed or ashamed. So the fear of being embarrassed or ashamed will override my knowledge and skills and feeling that I'm worthy enough and good enough. I'll give you an example. Somebody goes to Harvard, Oxford, Pepperdine, UNLV, whatever, and they get a degree. Good for UNLV getting put in that category. Yeah, right, UNLV.

They get a degree. You know, they get a degree in engineering. They get a degree in medicine. They get a degree in medicine. They get a degree in whatever, doesn't matter, fashion design, whatever it is. And then they ask themselves a question. I have the degree, I know how to do this. Should I open up my own business?

Oh no, I don't wanna open up my own business. Well, how come? Well, I mean, it's just so much risk and I don't have the knowledge, I don't have the skills. So now I have the degree, I may not have the knowledge or skills, or I don't want to take on the stress or I don't want to fail because I have other underlying issues that override the knowledge and the skills and the belief that I can do my job or career well. knowledge and the skills and the belief that I,

that I could do my job or career well. So that's why I say we, we have to really line up all the different pieces of mindset. So you mentioned a growth mindset before you still have a growth mindset and have fear, right? So fear is, um, a state that most people don't know how to override and change their state so that they are frozen in fear or they procrastinate or they self-sabotage. They don't even know why they're doing it. But fear by its very nature is the sympathetic nervous system that is activated and the way it operates is fight, flight or freeze.

Sure. Right? And most people don't know how to be aware of that state. And then how do I deactivate the fear circuit and turn on the motivational circuit? Yeah, because obviously you don't want to get eaten by a saber tooth cat. It's there for a reason. But we don't have to worry about saber tooth cats. I know it's there for a reason.

So there's nothing wrong with the circuit. That's like having an early warning detection mechanism in your car. Yeah. You're driving your car. Do you like it when the light pops up under dash says you're low on gas? No.

Oh, you left. Well, but it's helpful. It's helpful. It reminds you. Right, it reminds you. If the trunk is open, you're on the highway. You want to know that it's helpful. It reminds you. Right. It reminds you. If the trunk is open, you're on the highway. You want to know that it's open. It helps. Right. If the left back tire is got low air pressure, you want to fill that up. You don't want to get a flat. So we have these systems,

and this is where my work around inner size came in. That's why my fourth bestselling book was inner size is how do I train my brain to feel fear and take action anyway? How do I train my brain to feel uncertain, have doubt, have worry and turn off that circuit? Like, let me take better control over my own brain's functioning. And we're not taught this in school,

but every child in kindergarten and grade school should be taught, self-talk makes a difference. Self-talk activates the focus lens by which you see the world and yourself. Emotional regulation is just a skill to turn off doubt, fear, worry, stress, anxiety, panic, and turn on brain that operate either together or oppose each other. And so, for example, Wim Hof brought breathing onto the circuit a few years ago. Ice baths. Ice baths and breathing. Well, what he's doing, he's teaching people how to deactivate that stress circuit through

ice baths and breathing, right? Well, what he's doing is teaching people how to deactivate, you know, that stress circuit through ice baths to self-regulate your focus and to get yourself to work from the powerful Einstein part of your brain instead of the Frankenstein's monster I call part of the braces. Oh my God, I'm cold, I'm cold, I'm gonna freeze, I'm cold,

I don't know how long I can stay in here. You learn to override that part of your brain. Well, why is that useful? Well, don't you have to override fear sometimes? Don't you have to override being uncomfortable sometimes? Don't you have to override your brain's natural propensity to keep you safe and secure and avoiding pain or discomfort? And the more we can stretch that boundary, right? If you think about stress,

right? What stresses you out may not stress me out. The stress circuit is only activated when the demand exceeds your current capacity. So how much tolerance do you have? How much patience do you have? A lot. How many nos can you get before you break? And for me, there aren't enough nos in the world to get me to break. Yeah.

There's always another rep. There's always another rep. There's always another rep, right? So talk about real estate, one of the games we used to play because we have to make these hundred calls a day. There was Arthur Chang, Leo Ng, Dave, I don't remember Dave's last name, myself in the office all the time making calls. Oh, and Eve. And every day at like 4.35 o'clock, you know, some of the agents would go away.

And there's always one of us, I learned this from Leo and Vern, we're making 10 more calls. What do you mean you're making 10 more calls? We're only supposed to make a hundred. Doesn't matter. Ten more. Right? Ten more calls. There's always more. Make 10 more calls. Now it's 5.. Um, somebody always say, yep, 10 more. And somebody would always raise the benchmark. So the people that were like comfortable, they left.

And then 10 more calls every day or 20 more calls every day as a hundred a week is 5,000 a year. Yeah. You're going to win. That's the difference between making 50, 60 grand and 250,000 bucks. Well, that was like, I was at the pursuit of happiness or whatever it was with Will Smith. We learned if I don't hang the phone up, I can get an extra 2.7 calls or whatever. So, but, but that's a mindset, right? That's a philosophy. That's a mindset. And in life, you know, I find that people either do none of what it takes some of what it takes,

most of what it takes or everything it takes. So if you want to, you want to win big, right? You want to win big, you want to escape the drift, right? Which are you? Are you going to do everything it takes? That's me. Like when I want to get in shape, I'm like all in. Dude, I was gonna ask too, cause I saw a picture of you not too long ago. I'm just flipping through the Instagram, whatever. And I'm like, oh, there's John, he's in a pool.

Dude, seriously? This guy's like 60. And you're like shredded. 63 in a six pack. All right, so the question becomes, right? Are you like, this is not about what we're talking about. I'm just curious. Are you like macro counting? Are you zero nothing? I don't care my little macro counter really cuz dude like chat GBT is my nutritionist I take pictures of my food. It tries my macros. It does all the stuff. The reason I don't is

It's amazing as I thank you. I I know I Need about 2,500 3,000 calories a day. I'm a pescatarian. I eat, you know, greens, vegetables, fish, seeds, nuts, protein powders. So I know what I'm supposed to get. And I know my baselines. I work out six days a week, you know, before I went on my tour here in Vegas to come and see you, I was in the down. And I'm also on testosterone and HGH.

Okay, because I do testosterone and HGH. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track.

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I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the right track. I'm on the rightides. Hold on. Are you on the peptide? I am on BPC 157 and TB 500. Writing these down. And I'm also on testosterone and HGH. Okay. Cause I, I, I do Tessa Morland and testosterone. Yep.

And I was going to ask you just cause you're the neurological stuff, right? I'm curious, anything with dihexia. Have you looked into that at all? You know, but you don't know. Yeah. Dihexia apparently is makes your synapses fire faster. Oh, no. It's a brain deal. So I have to look at it. Yeah. I just didn't know if you text text me, please.

Yeah, I'm going to. I didn't know if you heard about this. Yeah. So, so again, you know, 2025, what we're learning about the brain, biology, hacking cells, myocondria, right? Like when I was 243 pounds and 33% body fat, I was eating like shit. I was drinking alcohol. I don't drink alcohol. I don't eat refined sugar anymore. Um, I got my diet honed in, you know, released 43 pounds of fat, clean, clear.

I don't have a fatty liver anymore. Good for you. Um, I got myself back into a state of, of really outstanding health, but it was deliberate. And what I didn't do was saying it's going to happen in 30 days. When you stop with the alcohol, how can you stop with the alcohol? How can you stop with the alcohol? back into a state of really outstanding health. But it was deliberate. And what I didn't do was saying, it's gonna happen in 30 days.

When you stop at the alcohol, how quickly did the mental clarity just ridiculously take over? I don't drink a lot, right? Yeah, I was drinking a bottle of wine at night and two, three, four cocktails. And I was an alcoholic. That's a lot.

Yeah, for years. That's a lot. And so 100 days was when I really noticed, you know, like, holy mackerel, like the- I feel good. Within two, three weeks, I could tell a big difference. I was sleeping better, number one. Yep.

I was losing, losing fat. I was, had more energy. So sleeping helped me get more energy, more energy helped me do more things I know I should do. More self-confidence, more certainty, feeling better about myself. Um, and I was feeling okay. You know, this is, it was picking up momentum, you know, and, uh, and I started this journey just so we're clear 15 years ago at 48 is when I started the, I'm focusing on my health and wellbeing.

And I made a promise to my sons. I was skiing with my, my two boys are like 14, 12 and 14 at the time. And I was on the chairlift with them and I was on like run number three. And I said to my son Noah, who's sitting next to me and Keenan was sitting next to him, he said, Hey, Peanut, I'm going in after this run. And he's like, Papa, what do you mean you're going in after this run? I said, no, I'm tired. I've done a few runs with you. Like, I'm tired. He goes, you're always tired. We're on vacation and this is supposed to be our time. And you say you want to go on trips with us

and teach us boarding and skiing, and you're always tired. And I got mad at him. I said, no, come on, give me a break, man. Like, you know, I've been working. I'll give him my story. I stopped myself. I caught myself. Became aware, I said, hold on, honey.

I thought, I thought, I'm sorry, Noah. First of all, I shouldn't be raising my voice to you. Second of all, you're right. I have been saying I'm tired a lot lately, and this is not fair to you and Keenan. I said, give me one second. I was thinking in my head, okay, I'm 48, he's 12, his brother's 14. So I'm gonna make you a promise now. I did some calculations in my head. Here's the promise. As soon as I get off the chairlift, I'm gonna call Ari, my trainer in San Diego.

I'm gonna have him get a nutritionist for me. I'm gonna get into the best shape of my adult life. And the promise I'm going to make you right now is I'm going to teach your children how to board or ski. Love that. Now, just so you know, I had to calculate that I would be up to 70 years old. Yeah, when that happened. 48. Yeah.

He was 12. So I had to give myself some leeway. I hired the trainer, hired a nutritionist, lost 40 pounds over two years of fat, got into the best shape of my life at 50. My son is now 28. You're kids on the way? Not kids on the way yet, but he's finally, he's in a relationship where we have high hopes. That's the possibility. It's been together for two and a half years. It's coming. So my calculation, I'm 63 now, so it might be 65, 66.

Seven? We're in there. Yeah, we're good. But it was the promise was because of not wanting to disappoint my son and not being the role model that I hoped I would be for them. I mean, I think that's the catalyst

for any big change though. You've got to find a, you got to find a why. Why it was bigger than your bullshit. Yeah. Why that's bigger than my bullshit, bigger than my fear, bigger than my addiction, bigger than my, you know, my, all that stuff. I achieve success in every area of my life. Other than that, my health.

That's amazing. And so, um, I got into great shape and I've stayed in great shape and I just down just tweaking it. Yeah. Well, John, I know you got a plane that you gotta catch for an hour and five minutes now. This is, this has been fascinating. I, I love this conversation so much. It's been absolutely fascinating. If they want to find more about you or more importantly, how to help them with their brain. Cause I know you got some apps, you got some programs, you got some stuff that P you can really help people.

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when they need to be way more concerned with what they put in their head. Put in their head, I totally agree with you. Get some health food for your head, look at John's stuff. Intersize is the drill. Well, man, thanks, buddy. No guys, if you didn't get any out of that, is there something wrong with you? I don't know.

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