Escaping the Drift with John Gafford - The Gordon Ramsay of Addiction - Robb Kelly

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

On this episode of Escaping the Drift, we sit down with Dr. Robb Kelly: former Abbey Road session musician, PhD in psychology from Oxford, and the man often called the Gordon Ramsay of the addiction world.Before becoming one of the most sought after addiction specialists in the country, Robb played bass alongside Bowie, Queen, and Elton John, then watched it all disappear into a two bottle a day vodka habit that cost him his children, his homes, and twice cost him his life on the streets of Manchester.In this episode, Robb opens up about the rain soaked night that changed everything, the stranger named Derek who appeared 30 seconds after a desperate prayer, and the mentor named John who taught him the framework he still uses to heal patients today.We dive into why alcoholics are born and addicts are made, the three parts of the brain that operate differently in true alcoholism, and why he believes depression, PTSD, and addiction can be cured rather than just managed. He also breaks down the phone and dopamine epidemic destroying connection in homes everywhere and how to claw it back with simple boundaries.If you have ever felt like the world has written your story for you, this conversation will rewrite the page.💬 Did you enjoy this podcast episode? Tell us all about it in the comment section below! ☑️ If you liked this video, consider subscribing to Escaping The Drift with John Gafford *************💯 About John Gafford: After appearing on NBC's "The Apprentice", John relocated to the Las Vegas Valley and founded several successful companies in the real estate space.➡️ The Gafford Group at Simply Vegas, top 1% of all REALTORS nationwide in terms of production. Simply Vegas, a 500 agent brokerage with billions in annual sales Clear Title, a 7-figure full-service title and escrow company.*************✅ Follow John Gafford on social media:Instagram ▶️ / thejohngaffordFacebook ▶️ / gafford2🎧 Stream The Escaping The Drift Podcast with John Gafford Episode here:Listen On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7cWN80g...Listen On Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...*************#EscapingTheDrift #DrRobbKelly #AddictionRecovery #Neuroplasticity #AbbeyRoad #AlcoholismRecovery #MindsetShift #MentalHealth #BrainRewiring #SobrietyJourneySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Back again, back again, and time for another episode of the podcast of like it says in the opening main gets you from where you are to where you want to be. And today, beaming in all the way from the UK, I've got an incredible guest. This is a guy who has had a couple lives, I guess is an easy way to say it. He was an Abbey Road studio musician. Yes, that Abbey Road where the Beatles recorded their famous records. And, yeah, you know, had kind of fell into a trap with alcoholism, got him. himself out of that, get a PhD in psychology from the University of Oxford, and has been referred to as the Gordon Ramsey of the addiction world due to his direct style and the use of

neuroplasticity to help clients rewire their brain. So if you are somebody that feels like you might be struggling with some stuff and needs your brain rewired, this is your guy. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program. This is Dr. Rob Kelly. Dr. Rob, how are you, man? Living the dreams, sir. Thank you for having me on. This is going to be a good one, guys. Sit down for this. Live in the dream. So let's go back, man. Let's talk about, let's talk about Abby Road, because that's fascinating to me. I mean, obviously. So tell me all about that. So I was born into a musical family. I was on stage at nine years old, playing with my auntie and uncle. Always wanted to be a musician. And we always remember, we used to have bands and stuff. And the biggest thing about musicians are not famous is

you packed like a thousand dollars back in the day thousand dollars of equipment into a two hundred dollar car to travel two hours to earn twenty dollars that's what usually it is and one day somebody says can you fill in for me at a studio and i said yeah is it a bass track it said yep it was strawberry studios owned by ten cc so i went down there all remember i sat down headphones on there was three pieces of sheet music i played them all to a click i was in there for about 30 minutes, I'd come out and he'd give me something like 300 pounds. And I'm like, there's no way am I tracking all the way down the freeway ever again. So a couple of months later, I saw a ad for bass player for Avi Rove session bass player. So I applied for it and got

it. And the rest is history. I played with Bowie, Queen and John, all the great guys in the day. But yeah, it was good. I kind of hit my piece. then because I was going to say as a session player who were the most famous people you played with then what what yours was this elton john back in the eighties it'll be elin john bowie was good david bowie or buoy in this country and of course freddie mercury was amazing and i played with some other stuff sessioned with some other stuff but they were the three primary musicians i've played with freddie being the most beautiful person I've ever met in the world and Elton being the worst person I've ever met in the world.

And one of them has gone and one of them's knighted. So that's right. Yeah. Funny how the world works, I guess. What made Elton John the worst person you've ever met? It was just very moody when I remember a session we were doing middle of the night, one o'clock in the morning, pouring down with rain, lightning, striking thunder. And the Abbey Road Studios had a generator back in the day that he took a millionth of a second to kick in once the electric went off and he'd had enough of it. We all moved to the Savoy Hotel to his suite back there. And there was girls there.

It was me. There's other musicians. It was his manager. And I heard him screaming out loud from his bedroom. And I'm about, what's going on here? So I walked over there and he's on the phone, right? He's on the phone. and he's screaming down this phone.

And he's saying to the general manager that if you don't stop the rain and the wind right now, I will never book into this hotel ever again. And it was right there and then I realized what crazy industry and lifestyle I had. You know, it's funny. When the whole Iran thing kicked off not too long ago, one of the funniest, obviously it's not funny,

it's a conflict, but this was funny. Somebody was staying at one of the hotels in Dubai and gave them a one-star review, and it just said, terrible missile defense system for the hotel in Dubai. I thought, well, that's fair. That's fair. I mean, I don't think they were planning on needing one, but yeah, it was a fair point.

So, like, you just mentioned it, man, you know, when you're a musician, especially in those time in the 80s, you know, cocaine's pretty prevalent. And that's something that is, was it more of the booze or was it more of that or a combination of the two that kind of got you? Well, I was an alcoholic through and through.

That was it. I took cocaine to keep awake at nighttime during sessions, which was cool. But my, I'm not allergic to any drugs. I don't, I can take morphine if I need surgery. It doesn't bother me. But alcohol, that was the one that got me every time. That was the one that stripped everything off me, including children and cars, houses, wives, everything. How much were you drinking at your worst?

Probably two bottles of the big handle bottle a day, the vodka. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'd have to bang half of that before I could get up out bed. Oh my God. I wasn't drinking to get wasted. I was drinking just to survive. And a lot of people, unless you're an alcoholic or nobles, they won't understand that saying, but we don't drink because we like it.

We drink because it says disease, and the hypothalamus hijacks the brain and tells me to drink alcohol to survive. So this is what we're known for, this research, of changing people's minds to do anything they want to do. But yeah, I mean, it was, it was a mess. I was never sober. Somebody asked me once, which I can't stop laughing at. Do you get bad hangovers? And I'm like, what? To have a hangover, you've got to stop drinking, surely. I never stopped drinking. I passed out in the nighttime and I came to in the morning and it all started all over again. And it just was relentless. What was the, what was the rock bottom for you? Two things. I always say when my children was

taken off me. I was in charge him for two days and I'd been on a bend and not being changed diapers or fed food for two days. I needed to kill them kids and the authorities took him off me. And the last thing my daughter said to me 34 years ago was, Daddy, Daddy, please stop drinking. And then the final night on the streets. I died twice on the streets in Manchester, England. And then pigs brought me back to life again and hated them, them, paramedics for that. but they were the tourist lowest points where I just didn't want to live. You know, I just wanted to kill myself. But it seemed like I couldn't kill myself.

I tried cutting my wrist. I tried jumping off buildings, time myself to a railroad track, overdosing, and somebody always saved me. It was just comical in the end. What was the turning point? Like, how did you get, how did you get well? So as an atheist, because I'd been molested as a child from a priest. I was in the back ends of Manchester where there's only offices and factories.

and factories. There's no houses, no traffic, no people. It's around two o'clock in the morning. I'm coming off another bender. I dropped down to my highs and knees, and I was just crying. I was sobbing. He's pouring down with rain. I remember looking up to the sky and just saying this, if there's a god up there, I can't do this on iron anymore. Guy walked around the corner, 30 seconds later, his name was Derek. It misses Las Bassohn from a Bible study that he was doing. It walked for an hour, took a shortcut He's never taken before, he came up on me. He took me back to his house,

shaved and bathed and ate for the first time. And then he said, You've got to come to these AA meetings. I said, I've been there. Terrible. But I had to go because he said, I can't have you drinking. And when I was there,

I heard a guy called John, who later took me under his wing for 12 weeks, who changed everything about me pertaining to healing people. That person we can never trace. we tried everything, detective agencies, we can never trace him. I went back to his house who wasn't there, the apartment, the guy next door said I'd never heard of him, don't know what you're talking about, all this craziest over happened.

And then I came over here, I'm in America now, San Antonio. He came over here 20 years ago, and it's just been absolutely amazing. But what John taught me during them 12 weeks, 12 hours we spent together is what I do today. All this stuff on the wall is for the state, it's for, you know, what I teach. and heal today is what John took me through and we believe that two things. Every illness of disease is down to toxicity. What am I toxic in and what am I deficientia? So deficientia toxicity, number one. Secondly, we heal from the inside out, whether that be cancer, neurological, PTSD, anxiety, alcoholism, it makes no difference. We have a 98% record with 11,000 patients

over the year. So we're kind of the sort of guys. I do a lot of work in holidays. Hollywood and with movie stars and musicians and stuff like that. So yeah, that's how we came here and being so aggressive. And then what happened as years went on, we pulled, we found out that the program was teaching for alcoholics and addicts worked for average day people. So we've worked with podcasters, CEOs. We've worked at CIA, the FBI, the government, all these people to increase business,

performance, anxiety, all that. that stuff. It's just completely changing the brain and methylating what we're eating for peak performance. So when you first stopped drinking, though, did you have to do medical detox? I mean, that's a lot of booze. And you went cold turkey like that? Yeah, I went cold turkey. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So what you do now is very different from the 12-step program that you were going to, right? Those meetings are what it was. Or was this John person teaching you something different around that? Or... Yeah, he was teaching something completely different.

He wasn't an AA thing. I went to AA for about 10 years. I don't go now. But, yeah, it was philosophy. It was about God. He was about healing. It was about vibration. It was all this stuff that were finding out today.

We were teaching 10 years ago, and people thought we were crazy. But all of that stuff, you know, that the brain. He always talks about changing the brain. And back in the day, and even until 10 years ago, the medical of fraternity was, other than that the brain is hardwired. We always knew it wasn't hardwired, that we can manipulate pathways, we can manipulate certain parts of the brain, and literally we can do anything that we want to do or achieve in life. And the biggest problem we have is people don't believe it until they

come here. You know, it's like we all, we're on this pattern, all going back to child of trauma and how we're brought up. We're on that pattern of survival. So if dad was a road worker, you'd probably be the same. If dad was a doctor, you'd probably be the same. So we look at the environment that you grew up in. We look at the latest blood works. We take five years medical records back. The week and 100% you change you. We're the only company in the world that offer your money back guarantee if we don't succeed. Well, let's break this into two different categories. First, I want to talk about obviously addiction because I think that's where you got started. And then we'll talk about just success. And we'll talk about just changing patterns that people

use that are defeat themselves. So when somebody comes, comes to you now, obviously very different than what you do is what 12-step programs do. So where do you start with people that have addiction issues? Like where do you start? We do something that nobody else does. And that is we don't just take a phone call asking to we take insurance. And we go, yes, we do. What you know?

You have to pass an assessment to get into the place, first of all. And the assessment is pretty straight. We want to know if you will do anything in the world to recover from addiction and alcoholism. What a lot of people don't know is alcoholics are born and drug addicts are made. So the intricacy of alcoholism is disease. The addiction with drugs is the addictive personality. These research and records are on file. So once they pass the assessment, we go back, we clear all the child of trauma,

we have tools like Breathbox Studio, we have neuroscience, we have brain spotting, we have and all these great things that we do and we take you through a nice, 90 day period of one hour a day. Now, you can do this anywhere in the world. We're 95% telehealth. And we change your thinking, change your behavior. Because alcohol, this is the crazy part of all of this. Alcohol has 1% to do with alcoholism. Same with drugs, same with sex, porn, food. It's only 1% of what's going on. I never had a drinking problem. What I had was a thinking problem. my brain reacting differently pertaining to the childhood trauma I've been through than other people. So three parts of the brain and alcoholics are different to any other addiction.

That's the hypothalamus, basal ganglia, and the amygdala. The hypothalamus is part of the brain from birth that tells us, if you don't eat food and drink water, you're going to die. It's a survival part of the brain. We do it without thinking. We have to or we die. We know that. At a certain point with alcoholics only, not he's an alcoholic or she's no, proper alcoholic only that's hereditary, has been passed down. What happens is a hypothalamist hijacks the brain and tells the alcoholic to drink alcohol to survive.

That's why we can go days or weeks without food or water, and once that clicks over to full-blown alcoholism, nothing but nothing can stop you. You can't just stop unless you have some kind of medical or spiritual awakening or something. You will go on to die. So we're a quick, though. So how hard is that question then when you ask people, are you willing to do anything to stop drinking? Well, by the assessment, which we go by, very strict assessment, it's usually yes. By the time they sit in front of me, it's, I don't care what I have to do. I'll do it because that's a good start.

So the assessment weeds people out. It wheeves mom and dads with big checkbooks out. We often turn a million-dollar contracts down because the kid isn't ready or the wife isn't ready. We're not going to do that. I don't play that game. Me and you could get on the phone now to 20 treatment centers, and the first question we're going to ask you is, do you have insurance? We don't do that here.

Can you come in and pass an assessment? That's it. So we're very serious about it. Everybody works for me in all five officers around the world. I recovered alcoholics, addicts, depression, all that stuff. recovered from that stuff. So by the time we sit in front of them, they know that we're being serious.

And we fire people. We fired more musicians, household musicians, who do you know who I am and you can't do this to me, bullshit? And we go, really,

get a kind of playing the lead. We don't play that shit. I don't either. Don't try and bully me. I'm not one of your yes guys. That's why the Gordon Ramsey. Gordon Ramsey had a friend of mine. He was my best man at the wedding.

That's where I got the nickname Gordon Ramsey of addiction, because addiction is a no-nonsense deal. There's too many people dying on a daily basis from lack of knowledge of what's going on. So that's what we do. We're known for being aggressive. We don't take any crap of anybody.

You do it all the way. You'll recover. You'll go on and you'll be a success, whatever that looks like for you. But if you miss check-ins, if you miss an appointment, if you don't do the strict homework, we send you,

I will fire you. There's no refunds. So you get back on your plane you leave and and you know that's just the way i run things today i'm sick of i'm sick of trying to please people try you know my first movie star worked with he told me how we're going to do things and i was like okay you know a couple of hours later i was like now i can't do this so we we put him back in the plane and set him home and he was furious man i nearly got i nearly got kicked out of hollywood completely with that but you know it is what it is well it's it's interesting now

that if you look at kids today are not drinking as much, the new generation's Gen X is not drinking as much as previous generations. What, but, but, but I think, I think addicted personalities are gonna find something. So what are you seeing that would you say is like the biggest risk the next generation to get addicted to? Well, it's been around for years and years,

but it's, it's phones, it's iPads, it's TikToks. I mean, if you wanna lose three hours of your day, jump on TikTok for five minutes. Because before you know it, three hours is gone, and that is it. It's got no social skills of kids today. He don't know how to communicate. He's not on a phone or, you know, it's just like it's crazy, but that's the big addiction. We do lots of experiments and lots of stuff, trials and test around that.

We spent about $1.8 million on research and everything we talk about. But yeah, that's the big one, the social medium. Where it will end, who knows? So what should parents do? because obviously, you know, I got two kids. One of them's 18, one of them's 16. And we try to, you know, you do the best you can. We're trying to limit it.

But you never, you never know if it's enough. And I think, you know, everywhere you look anymore, like you see a couple sitting. I saw a couple sitting at dinner the other day. And both of them are sitting there at dinner with each other like this. Yeah. And I'm like, look at my wife. I go, that's crazy. I mean, yeah.

How do you? I mean, obviously there's times when I find myself, quote, unquote, doom scrolling. And you're just like, God, I got to get off and, ah. And I like, look at it. Literally, I will throw my phone across the room because I'm like, I got to get away from that thing. Like, just what am I doing? How do you manage that? How do you rewire your brain?

I mean, that dopamine hit so fast leads to overreating, leads to just to everything where you look for your life is that quick dopamine to fix. How do you help people in that situation? Or what advice do you give? These boundaries and self-care is what it comes down to. So man and wife comes to us when you go home, 6 p.m. 8 p.m. No phone. Check your emails for you go to bed. Fine. When you make up the morning, no phone. You get dressed, you get showered, you have your breakfast, you can have your phone back at night time. You go, six o'clock, it's gone. You know, we start on that. But I can tell you

now, so we wired people up and we tested the anxiety and the rush of dopamine pertaining to the phones. And it's crazy, like if you do two hours, or you go out for a restaurant and leave the phones at the front or in the car locked up. It's crazy out of how human behavior has gone. You know, I studied my two PhD psychology and behavioral science. And I studied chimpanzees and primates for a year at the zoo. I hated mine professor for that. But what you see is breaking down of human connection. It's all done through the phone. So you have to have boundaries. You know, all I've got to get my emails. Well, you need another job. Unless you're running your own company you're only a million dollars a year.

You don't need your phone 24 hours. And even then, the six till eight and in the morning has to come into fruition. Otherwise, you know, you're not going to be you. You're never going to get to the potential. We see it all the time. People go into concerts and they're filming, the concert on the phone. So they've got a record of it. But they've not got the record of the live performance because they were never there to feel all that.

Kids texting over the dinner table. I mean, can you not just say, high or speak to so wide, like you said, people have, you've got to stop. You've got to start putting these boundaries in place because it is an addiction and it is taken over your life and ruining life for what it is. Life is too short, man. You know, people think we've got 80s too short to be stuck on a phone talking in this world. Got a patient in the other day.

Hey, Dr. Rob, I've got like 5,000 friends. Really? Where? On Facebook. I got to tell you, man, you just plugged into the wall. That's all you are. You may have got 5,000. nothings you're plugged into on it's fantasy we need to start back getting back to the old

game back to reality and just giving time to the phone but more time to real life because this is where it is today it's not tomorrow it's not on your phone it's not yesterday it's right here today yeah i think we're starting to see a little bit of a pushback of people are kind of sick of the perfection and the perfect lives that are being projected through posts on on all of the social media platforms. They're crazy, you know, it's so funny because forever, influencers are like, well, if you want to build a big following, you gotta be authentic, you gotta be authentic.

But then they're not authentic. They're only showing the highlight real, right? Nobody's showing, you know, the days when they're not having a good day. And I think people are craving that connection and craving that authenticity. And I think you're gonna see that coming back more and more. I would love it if there was a total kind of backlash into social media,

because, you know, like for my business, it's a must. It's like, we have to do this to stay relevant. And it's, it's a chore. There's no joy in 90% of what you post. I mean, I love doing my, I love doing this podcast because I get to meet interesting people. And this is my education time, right? I have people on that I think I can learn something from. And so this is kind of my time that I end up just sharing with others.

But the daily dribble of like, well, I got to make a post is just exhausting. You know, it's like, oh, I got to have a team that post. the stuff. It's like it's just and I think everybody's a little tired of the polished world that is being projected through that. And they're craving just normalcy, I think. We did we did some test and research around this and we wanted to know can we hit someone being authentic despite their position in life or career. So we brought 10 people into our main room. they were told to come in $100 in cash, drink your coffee, stay for an hour, then leave. There'd be other people chat to and leave.

Widen up again, and they went. In the first 10 minutes, when a road sweeper started chatting to a surgeon, he had very little to talk about. As the time went on, because nobody knew any other job, not now to mention the jobs, but when a road sweeper 50 minutes in spoke to a surgeon and they were both being authentic, the scale rocketed to 100%. So authenticity is the new iPhone. Authenticity is the new social media because being authentic with another,

it doesn't know what you do or where you go or what you do for a living. It makes no different. We break down them social barriers because we're being authentic with one another. You know, it's funny you say that about, about not knowing what the other person does, but I think one of the best pieces of advice I've seen,

and oddly enough, I did get it from a post somewhere. where it was a former CIA profiler, and he was like, listen, you know, if you want to get to the root of every person that you meet in the conversation, ask yourself one question while you're having your first three minutes of interaction, which is, what is it that this person wants me to see about them? What is it that they want me to see? And if you can get past, like, okay, whatever it is they're trying to project, I'm just not even going to go there. I'm going to deflect that and try to find something else. You can get to the meet of it with people very quickly. And I love that advice. I love that advice.

Something you said earlier I thought was interesting. Because obviously, you know, we talk about addiction. We talk about those things. But you threw out that the brain could be, the brain could be rewired or reprogrammed to solve things like depression is what you could say. So you said that and I wanted to get to it later. So let's get to it now. So I am a person that I would say, you know, I've been pretty forthright with it. I suffer or I think I suffer from something that I would call seasonal depression,

which, you know, certain times of the year for no reason. I just, my wife calls it the funk, right? Where you're just like, oh, man, I just feel a little down. And in those times, I just, you know, I understand what's happening. So I just kind of push myself through it by getting, you know, I'm going to get one thing that's really important done today. And then tomorrow I'm going to keep that ball rolling and I just kind of get myself out of it. So what says Dr.

Rob about this. Seasonal depression is real. It doesn't have to be real, but it is depression is real. For those people who don't know what depression looks like, it looks like this. Anybody, how are you doing? Great to see. I'm doing great to do it. Yeah, that's what depression looks like. So when we look at the medical dictionary, medical dictionary in the USA, we look up depression. It says one, he said a couple of things and one of them is lack of serotonin. So what happens in normal families, probably the husband comes home, a wife, I'm depressed, and she's going, you've got to go see your doctor. I go see the doctor before I finish speaking. He's writing a prescription out already for an SSRI or SSRI.

And what happens is I go and take them pills and I feel slightly better. Let's roll that back. He's giving me a medication that now I'm stuck home for the rest of my life. It hires my serotonin, but I'm not in a natural cause and never as high. is a natural cause. So what seems to happen is we take the medication and it blocks us out. And our own serotonin cannot get higher than where it is. So I'm stuck on what the pill is giving me. I'm like any pill that we take, we have to increase over the time or add another pill to it to make it work. The question I ask everybody is, why are we not asking ourselves first, why my serotonin is low

in the first place? But we don't do that. That's the first step. Depression, PTSD, All the psych stuff can be cured. We cure addiction. We cure depression. This is where the money back guarantee comes in. Nobody else dare say this, but no one else has got as much time as I have with 11,000 payers as a sole doctor working in a practice. Nobody else has. So when we study the stuff that the pharmaceutical and the medical paternity doesn't want us to study, we get backlash all of the time of people trying to discredit us. And we've got to a point. Now, A, I don't give a shit, first of all, what you think about me, all my research. Don't care.

Look at my life. It's probably a lot better in yours. So nobody is good as you are better is ever going to negatively comment on anything that you do, guys. So the hateos will come out when you want to move in a different direction. Our research and our patient show that this can be cured. And we're being told it can't be cured. The only thing we can't cure is alcoholism, because we're born this way. But any other addiction or psych ailment, we can cure.

You know, we're proving it time and time again. But we're on this mentality that whatever the doctor tells us is okay. And we're on this mentality that when we go to the local store, the stuff we do there is going to be good for us. 90% of stuff in your local supermarket is killing you. If you're picking up a health, we did a live TV thing about six months ago. We walked into the local store here, a huge store. We saw this bar and it says 9 grams of protein, zero fat. Oh my goodness.

I'm having some of that for my family. I turned it around. There was not only 32 ingredients in there, but the first ingredient it was canola oil. They're killing us. We can't methylate any kind of rancid oil and all the other GMO, the stuff they put in, which causes depression, which causes the illness. And it's just like a rolling machine and people who want to do different in life. Stop and go, hang on.

a sec, I'm not buying into this anymore. I'm really not buying into it. I'm going to look after myself. I'm going to look after my body and brain. I'm going to go and seek people that don't automatically put me on meds. Now, I'm not talking about heart disease and stuff like that. Sure. I'm talking about psych. We just need to start questioning the world and questioning ourselves because you can be, most people walk around 45 to 55% if the luckier of capability and capacity of what they can be. That's all. What do you think that is? Why do you think that is? Yeah, it's upbringing.

You know, I got told, don't be so stupid Robert. You can't go to college like your brother. You're too stupid. Like I told that. You can't be a football. You can't be famous. How can you be famous? Have you come from the projects and counselors?

How can all my life, man? And he got one day and I went, I'm not doing this anymore. And I came over to America 20 years ago. And the first year, I did my first million dollars. Within my first three years, I was on a program that had 19 million viewers. on the doctors. So I was sick of being told this stuff when it's not true. Because here's my deal, guys, out there.

I would hate for you to get to the age of 60 or 70 or 80, look back in your life and realize two major things. First of all, there was nobody watching you. And secondly, you really could have done anything you wanted to do. But we base it on our childhood trauma. We get that contract. We get that job. together opportunity and all of a sudden that's voice and subconscious says you're a piece of shit you'll

never amount to anything you're an imposter don't try the all that stuff that normal people suffer from and they they self-sabotage that opportunity sometimes without even knowing about it and we never climb unless you have severe brain damage i tell people you can be you want to be a CEO you want to 10 million dollars you want to be famous you want your podcast or you want your kids back all of this is possible because it's what's in here, not what's out there. You know, out there, all the opportunities are out there, all the accidents, all the opportunities. But if I'm concentrating with my brain on what I receive and what I expect, which is great things every single day, well, that's what's going to happen. This is Lehman terms. If I'm focusing on the bad stuff,

that's what's going to happen. Because the brain doesn't know the difference being the truth and the false guys. Yeah. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't know the difference. And we want to hedge ourselves on past behavior. So we got a thousand fleas on this experiment. We stuck them in a big mason jar. We punched the hole and we left them in there for three days. After three days, well, fleas can jump two or three, four foot in the air. We took the cap off.

Not one flea in that jar jumped higher than where the cat was. Makes sense. When we left it and they had babies in that jar, the babies wouldn't jump higher than where the cap was. They'd never even seen the cap. That's what we do in life. So obviously that's, if we had to break this down like a computer and programming, right, that would be the software.

That would be your programming that you got, you know, the limiting beliefs that you reject onto yourself and how you frame things. So but you mentioned like low serotonin on one, which I would consider that a hardware issue. So if we had to look at, I mean, obviously, I don't know if you can simplify this to this level. But in most cases, if you had to say what percentage is, this is hardware issues and what percentage of this is software issues? I would go like 50-50 maybe. You know, I mean, everybody is singular.

Everybody is different. Everybody's different. Every blood cell. All this stuff is different. So you have to kind of, you know, trial and error this deal personally and everybody. But it's all fixable, guys. If, okay, let's go back to the hardware then. Let's say my serotonin levels are low.

So what are some techniques you do to raise those? those serotonin levels. So you can Google this guys. It's pretty, it's pretty common. The medical fraternity won't tell you because, you know, they can't give you pills, so you're not a good client for them, is get some more sunshine, go out in the park, or if you have a nice garden or yard with grass, standing the grass barefoot, you know, cold grounding, sunshine, eat better, drink plenty of water, socialize. Socialize is very important. Don't isolate. The quickest way to get somebody into insanity is to isolate them. and take their identity away from them.

And we see this a lot with people retiring or divorces and stuff where the woman doesn't have any identity anymore. So there's certain things that you can do, which will raise your serotonin. But then it also links to the child of trauma in the subconscious. So if you haven't uncovered, discovered, discovered, discarded of that trauma, you will always have depression. I'm a super fan of like the shadow self philosophy. I love all of that stuff, which does come from that childhood programming that you got.

You know, when people start down the journey, obviously you'd probably try to attack this all once. I'm guessing you guys, the step one is going to be that childhood trauma. I'm guessing it's trying to deal with that. So what are some things that you guys do in treatment to address that? Is it verbalizing it? Is it role playing it out? What do you guys do? So we have software, breathbox studio is a company of mine, and it rewires through vibration, sounds and subliminal message, and it rewires the brain away from self-sabotage.

We have 97 programs. That's the big one we use. And then we use brain spotting to go back and uncover, discover, discard of subconscious memories, not conscious memories. So when people finish a session here with brain spotting, they're coming out with stuff, they didn't even remember. and all of a sudden it'll click and oh, I never am I got molested by my dad. Oh my God. All that stuff that's heading would bring it out, talk therapy, behavioral therapy. You know, we watch what you're doing.

Where are you going? We're monitoring you 24 hours a day to watch behavior. And then we're just clearing all. We're pulling it all out day by day as you come here. Now you'll never be trauma free. There's always some kind of trauma going on, but it frees you up. And once it starts, once you start coming out the conscious brain, not the subconscious. brain which 90% of people do your life changes completely completely changes but if you

leave like if you've ever seen a dare being hit by a car but not being killed it does a couple of amazing miraculous things first of all it'll lay still on the floor for one or two seconds then it stands up then what happens next is miraculous it shakes violently for a couple of seconds and runs on that dare is to shock all that trauma the next day might be the same car same time we don't know human beings don't do that they stuff it down and stuff it down and stuff it down and it's all stored in the subconscious brain and every time the subconscious brain is a nasty piece of work it'll release them thought patterns or them sayings on that trauma from the past of the most inappropriate time when you're dating that girl asking for

that job whatever it is it'll release and you go right down do you find that people once they go through these processes and they can drop this stuff off they tend to that like that's it like you can it's like a release or emptying the bucket if you will oh 100% yeah that's why the breathbox studio is created um get rid of all of that getting rid of it feel lighter feel better we build your confidence up we start your business get you a job whatever it is you need once you start you know coming out of that trauma based subconscious thinking and letting that stuff go So I mean, everybody's got got stuff, right? Everybody's got some issues.

I think that's just got, that's part of being people. But obviously the ones that are on the forefront that are going to really damage you are the addiction things. And I think it's funny, man. I see the people closest to people with serious problems are normally the ones that are in the most denial about seeing it. Or they don't want to see it or they can't. So if you're like, what are some things people should look for in their loved ones or your kids? that might cause some pause for you. If your kid is dating his bedroom,

not coming out for dinner, if he's going to school on Kent, if there's times where he just goes missing, go search his bedroom. And most apparent, I'll not search his bedroom. He's like 12 years old. Well, if you don't,

there's a possibility you'll find him dead in there. So let's get real, okay? Going there, search. If husband's coming home, always in mood, always depressed, drinking, you know, whatever an alcoholic or heavy drink, tells you they drank quadruple it that's why he's drinking oh wow you know and you've got to realize

that a you cannot you cannot assist that you cannot enable these guys there's a fine line we are very strict about this when we're coupled so when we take the alcoholic let's say it's a guy for seven days a week the woman needs to come on for two days a week to sort her trauma up not his her trauma because she when we did some experiments of soldiers coming back from afghanistan who'd seen action and housewives in violent alcoholic houses the PTSD levels were exactly the same. You have to look at this with an open scale and go, okay, how do we fix? How do you see what's going and what's happening in the house? Because if we don't, then the whole family breaks down.

It's a bit like if you have two houses together. So recovery of any kind as its own language. So let's say to two houses, this guy here, we pick him out of, let's say the house speaks Chinese, and we stick them into our place and we teach him a different language, let's say it's English. We're keeping him for 90 days. We're picking back up and we stick him back in the house. A couple of days later, we speak in Chinese. It's just a way it is memory part of the break.

So while we pick this guy up here and teach him, we have to teach the family as well, to it on the same level, understand what we're going through, because, oh, but I love him, I'm going to change him. It has never, ever worked out, guys, with that. And I hear it time and time again. the person will only change on two things. One, if he realizes what is going through and two, if he's ready.

And until that time, you can enable as much as you want and make excuses and stuff like that for the guy or the girl that you're going to get better and it'll be okay and it wasn't that bad. It's always that bad. And if you've got kids involved

and he raises his hands to his kids, if you stay in that relationship, you are dead to me. You get your kids and you get out with that relationship straight away. I don't care if it's your house, get the police to remove in that relationship you're dead never go back you can never go back guys it's got to be over in that minute it's going to be um speaking of being over you know obviously i know

you've been on stage with like gary breck and stuff and and that's an alternative thought to medicine and i subscribe to a lot of stuff like gary does i mean we have the ewap machine we have the grounding mats we have the red light we have all of that stuff um my wife feeds me more supplements and peptides then i you know she wants me to live forever and that's how the world works but But, you know, obviously there's a lot of mainstream, there are, there are mainstream medical practices that attack a lot of what he says. When's the time, tell me about a time in your career when you got attacked by mainstream, you know, mainstream the medical world where you thought, oh man, this might be really bad.

Was there a time when you were like, well, this might not be good? Oh, yeah. When I first came over here. So we've got to realize that the third leading cause of death in the U.S. is the medical fraternity. Let's get that on the table. before they go go google it guys so when i came over here we're open and practice and and you know we're teaching or healing and then the uh texas psychology board came to us and said that i was teaching woo-woo and harming people in this strip mail my license and i was like oh i have two choices i go

back to them with cap in hand and say i'll never teach again i'll stick or we fight it get it back and i'll carry on and we fought it and got it back but the crazy thing is i lecture to those guys today. So that was the only time when I thought, oops, you know. How long was your license gone? How long was it gone? Seven months. Oh, wow. Yeah. So seven months of not working. So yeah, they did, they did a lot of damage to me. There are still some people that try. I'm down to three haters, which is awesome. The rest of you get employed. But I'll take as many haters as I'll take as many haters as I can get. Right. Don't you love the Cat Williams deal when you

He talks about, hey, I love them, man. I was invited to speak on a national program some years ago with the company called Purdue, who does all the nasty drugs. And we went head to head, the C-O and the attorney. And they were telling him, don't go on with Dr. Robb. He's nasty when he knows his stuff. And we went on and we had it out, and it was very embarrassing for them.

And the next day they filed for bank proxy. Now, I know there was probably a billion things, other things happening. But yeah, you've got to stand up, guys, and you've got to do what you do best. And don't second any notice of people that says you can't do it. I have a saying for you when they say that, says who? That's it. Says who?

Who's making the rules? Well, you can't do that. You can't have a great marriage. You can't be. Says who? I don't like the rules. I'll change. Why not?

Why not? Yeah. Speaking of Says who, what's your favorite? What is your favorite story from helping somebody that may or may not be famous? And you don't have to name them, but I'm just, what's your favorite story? if you had to pick one. So we picked this guy up from county jail in L.A. And he was looking at five years inside.

And one of the agents said, we had this doctor judge and he's doing miraculous things. So they blew us out. We had no idea who it was. We sat in the side room at court. And they brought this guy in handcuffs and feet cuffs and an orange suit. And he sat down and instant and recognized him. He was going through some bad times.

And his movies weren't doing so great. And we were studying. from the judge and the judge says, hey, Dr. Kelly, here's the deal. I'm going to release this guy to you, but if he goes missing because he was known for doing a runner, you'll be back in my courtroom. And I said, I'm not doing that deal, Judge. I'm not doing it unless you give us permission to handcuff him right here and take him with us. We're not doing that. I'm not taking it responsibility. And they all agreed and signed contracts and legal documents and we handcuffed him. We took him back. And I used to have a ranch in Dallas or we'd helicopter into there and we'd stay with him for three months. And we'd stay with him for

three months and two weeks before he was left because we were also subliminally all the time convinced in that he was going to you know be the place paid movie star in the world again and two weeks before he left the gate bell went and the chauffeur went down pick it up brought it to the door give it to me i handed it to this guy he opened it and it was a script for blank right there in my living room and he's a great guy and we still speak and he's just an amazing person. I have a guess just on the orange jumpsuit visual. I have a guess on who that is because I remember seeing a photograph with an orange jumpsuit that I remember seeing. So I have a guess on that. I have a guess on the script. We'll talk about it off camera, but as we go from there,

but I have a guess on that one. Man, so one last question. I'm just curious to this, because obviously you're incredibly good at what you do, which is the easy answer, right? That's the easy answer. But how do you build a business that becomes so intertwined with Hollywood, with aidless celebrities, with that world? How do you build a business where you become, and that can be any business, but how do you build a business where you're the go-to guy to that world? How do you do it? Well, I've got to give my deal to Gary Bracken, because, oh my goodness, and so, so. To Gary Brackenkin. To Gary Bracken. Gary Breck was the first person that introduced me.

I went down there. There's actually a video around. He calls me a physician, miracle worker, and, you know, when the best in the industry and 100% record. And I got a couple of calls from Hollywood. And then I became their go-to guide. So Hollywood and New York, my name is still quietly done for the right people.

But that's how I did it. And, you know, it's six figures a month to come here. So it's very expensive. But we have a slight scale. We have a non-profit. We do everybody has to carry a pro bono and we give off our money away. So we pay for people to come in as well. It's not just that.

But yeah, he takes up from there. It's kind of word and mouth. So you kind of get one shot at this. But I'm always, I'm just me. I don't like whining and dining. I got a phone call on from a very good friend of mine. His brother owns the Dallas. they're Mavericks or did.

And we're chatting away and he calls me. And he said, hey, my brother's, you know, there's a game tonight. He's having a few important people around. Do you want to come over? And I said, Mark's having a do. And he went, yeah. And I was like, wow, I've never watched basketball. And I'm just not into it.

So can you give my place to somebody else? And I put the phone down and my wife was over me and she was scowling at me. You just turned. are you kidding me? Do you know he's going to be in that room? I said, it doesn't make any difference. You know, I don't like basketball. I'm not going.

And, you know, crazy. That guy from Starbucks called me once. So we have a new player. I'm like, what's he talking about? And I'm listening to him and he's breaking up. And I'm like, he's got this guy called Mansell. Who's Mansell? Coles player.

It was Cosby. Yeah. Put the phone down. I thought he was crazy. And I explained to Janet, my wife, what it was. And he told me that was Roger Star. that I called. I thought there was some guy in Starbucks having a copy or something. Yeah, there's a hundred story. I don't do the musing and smoozing. I just, I don't know, man. I've never

done it. It cringes me. It's just like, here we are. We do what we do. If you don't like us, I don't get. And that's it. Well, Dr. Robin, if they want to find your connection with you a little more, how do they find you? So if you're listening, not watching guys, I spell my name with two bees, R-O-B-K-E-L-O-Y.com. Jump on there. All the social medias plastered to that website. Look at a thing called Breathbox Studio. That's the software.

That's up there. It's amazing. You can do it online. Yeah, just say hi, guys. A couple of things I'd love to do. If you're in America, guys, there's a great book out there called Daddy Daddy, Please Stop Drinking.

I'm not here to promote that. I'm here to give that away free. So let's get 10 copies going. If you jump on, it looks something like that. So jump on, contact us. We'll send you, we'll sign it, we'll send it you. And then the last thing I'll say is if you were that guy that we were just talking about, that the wife and kids have left, you're sat in a one-bedroom apartment,

you're broken down, you've got no other way to go, and you're thinking of doing something permanent. 214-6-0-210 is my personal cell phone number. text me and here's what's going to happen. This is why I differ from everybody else. Text me. Don't call. I'm too busy.

I'll text you back and I'll arrange a 20 minute talk between me and you that will save your life. If it doesn't and you don't feel great after finishing the phone call with me, I'll send you $100. The premise behind that is that I would rather give 20 minutes of my time to you than hear of your suicide next week. Amen, brother. Amen. Well, Dr. Rob, I appreciate it so much. This was awesome, man. This was great.

And listen. Check out Breathbox. Get the book. Save that number if you need or give it to somebody in need. There's a lot of things. But listen, if you listen to this today, the one thing I want you to take away from it is no problem is permanent. No problem is unsolvable. The key to solving your problems is normally unlocking, unlocking. something in yourself and there's no shame or there's no judgment in finding someone to help you do that. We'll see you next week.