Escaping the Drift with John Gafford - Trick or Treat - You're Fired EP 17

Episode Date: October 15, 2021

Learn and burn Entrepreneurship from serial entrepreneur John Gafford and his band of mayhem makers. From stripper poles to the oval office, business lessons are everywhere. This Week:Where is the line on offensive Halloween costumes? Crisis PR management Jon Gruden The TRUTH behind "Let's go Brandon"With Chris Connell and Colt Amidan

from the art of the deal to keeping it real live from the simply vegas studios it's the power move with john gafford back again back again back again whoop cole other one you're not you're not it's mid-afternoon you're not saucing Get back again. Whoop. Cole. Another one. It's mid-afternoon. You're not saucing. No, I haven't ate today. So even like one drink would probably make it so I shouldn't drive.

We're trying to get ratings here, buddy. That'd be a solid show. Oh, trust me. I don't need to be sauced up and make something stupid. Every meal's a rating on Earth. Well, I'm just glad you're here, buddy. And as always, appreciate it chris connell esquire chris how you doing i'm doing good buddy doing good doing good welcome back for our this is going to be our friday episode this week glad to be back in a regular rotation

had a little bit of a drop off there because of obviously the egypt trip which we already unpacked on the last episode not going to rehash that again because man there's a lot going on a lot of things coming up a lot of things coming up. A lot of things coming up. And I got to tell you, obviously Halloween is the big one, is the big one coming up now. And while I was in Disneyland last week, I want to talk a little bit about, you know, let's talk about what's offensive because there's a lot of things going on. I mean, I want to have a whole episode on what is offensive because it seems like the goalposts move constantly.

And I think I just want to help everybody listening narrow the goalposts to what's offensive. Now, granted, you're going to get a pretty – I mean, I think Colt's goalpost is probably at a different place than maybe yours or even mine. Dave Chappelle just dropped his – you want to talk about a viper's nest of offensive and how it's being portrayed out there. Reviewed right now.

We'll talk about it. We'll talk about that. But I want to start with this because it is obviously it's Halloween season or as I like to call it pumpkin spice latte, which if you're a realtor, you're probably not listening to this because you're in hibernation because for some reason when pumpkin spice latte comes out all realtors go to sleep which i love because my team will make so much money between now and the end of december because for whatever reason realtors go to sleep i don't know what it is but so i'm at disney this weekend for the trick-or-treat fest there and i look up as i'm walking around and i see a cat a guy comes walking that towards me and he's dressed like Fidel Castro. And I thought, no, he can't be Fidel Castro. And I looked at him and I kind of gave him the head bob and I was like, Fidel?

And he's like, hey. And I'm like, oh, man. Spooky. And as somebody, you know, I am Floridian by birth. I grew up in the great state of Florida and lived there for many, many years. And I thought to myself, this guy would probably get his ass kicked in Miami dressed like that. Oh, for sure. He probably would. So it got me thinking, where is the line of offensive when it comes to Halloween costumes?

And if you're planning to dress for Halloween, how far can you push it and still be maybe okay but not be okay because let's face it in this day and age i mean you're trying to crack a joke at a halloween costume oh yeah today tomorrow you're no longer working at sears can i can i uh go on absolute record right now and say if you are in 2021 and there was a realtor that did this last year. Okay. A realtor in our community, dressed up in blackface as Mr. Trump. You can't. I just remember looking at it going, you know, maybe in the 70s, there was a point where we didn't have the internet

and you didn't live under a rock, you know. Yeah. Where you didn't realize why you don't do certain things. And then the 80s, you started going, ooh, then Ted Danson did it. Yeah. With Whoopi Goldberg. That that was the final time that was it that you had blackface was done right there with his past like john like john gruden's use of the term you know whatever well

there was a time where you could plausibly be like oh i didn't know that meant that yeah that time that time is going well let's talk about that so let's that's a great place to start to start because as we sit here three white guys even though colt does identify as hispanic do that so i can't get canceled as we sit here as we sit here let's start with that can a white person dress up as an African-American known person as long as they don't do blackface makeup? Well, there is always running the risk of appropriation, but here's the thing. No, but it's a costume. Yeah. I mean, like, for example, who would you say? Okay. I'll give you an exact thing. So I don't know if you guys know this or anybody may have

not known this, but I have one of the joys of my life. I have many, but one of the joys of my life is ruining people's dress up parties when they have a dress up, like when those burger mystery things, you know, when you get invited to the burger mystery party, one of the joys of my life is ruining those parties. So I will quite simply, if you invite me, it's on like Robotron. And I promise you, the majority of the people I like to say will have fun if I go. But the host or more importantly, the hostess will. Yeah, I'm one of my friends. If you've got a wife that thinks this is a good idea, she ain't gonna let your

hair with me after this party. So anyway, most recently... You'll go to an 80s party in 1980s? Or 1880s? Yes, I could go to 1880s. That's a great... See, that's a good move. More importantly, I'd probably just go as like a super old man in my 80s with like fake balls hanging out of my

shorts would pretty much where I'd go with that, but instead, that's where I immediately go. The murder mystery. The murder mystery party. So I get invited to a murder mystery party and I'm supposed to go as I just read the invitation and it says Joe Jackson, baseball player who has amnesia

doesn't remember where he is. So I just pretend that I never read past Joe Jackson. That's all I saw. And I went as 1970, not blackface. Just I had the cabbie hat on. I had a big silk scarf.

I had like a full on disco looking shirt. That was denim. And I had like, I just, I drew the sideburns on like this and the little paper, thin mustache, right. And a little,

just the mean look, just the, yeah, the mean look to me. And all I did, I went as Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson. And all I did i went as michael jackson's father joe jackson and all i did was walk on this party and bitch to anybody that would listen for as long as they would listen how tito don't practice does not practice tito don't practice it's just and i just

would not let it go to the point where people were not on the verge of hyper angry yeah for this it was but i would find that in just hilarious hilarious the problem is people don't have so the question is so the question is now i mean now can i dress as joe jackson yes i didn't there was no afro there was no blackface i didn't do anything it was it was the essence of the man himself you were told first off here's where you get a pass okay you were told to dress up as joe jackson now not shoeless joe jackson the baseball legend you know whatever yeah you were told joe jackson if someone said to me uh uh you know come as a bottle of of tito's or something maybe i would dress up right as michael jackson's brother and you know whatever there's a way of Tito's or something. Maybe I would dress up as Michael Jackson's brother and, you know, whatever.

There's a way to be funny. It's a play on word. Right. That is without. Okay, but also. I think you get a very clear path. Okay, let's say your son or, you know, Colt's son plays basketball. My son.

What do you want to go as for Halloween? I want to go as LeBron James. Yeah, but you can wear a LeBron James jersey. Yeah, no. Okay, that's okay. Totally agree. Okay, that's okay. I think that one. I think I spoke for LeBron James. Yeah, but you can wear a LeBron James jersey. Yeah, no. Okay, that's okay. Totally agree. Okay, that's okay. I think I spoke for the woke left here.

That is completely fine. To emulate, right? To emulate. To emulate without obviously taking on. Okay. Somebody probably takes. All right, so hang on. Okay, so hang on.

So I'm going to throw a double whammy at you now. All right? So now it's okay to impersonate a public figure as long as it's done in a positive way. What if it is a public figure that most people don't like and you do it in a negative way? For example, can I go dressed as OJ with a bloody glove? Yes.

How would you emulate OJ? Because here's the thing. If you start putting on like an afro or something, if you start putting on things like that. That's the line. I think that's the thing. If you start putting on like an Afro or something, if you start putting on things like that. That's the line. I think that's the line is where you start taking on sort of cultural. I don't know.

See, this is why I'm asking you about that. But here's the thing. There is no actual line. This is the thing about. So first off, there is this thing that I hear, and I'm not going to make it political, but there is a constituent in this country that doesn't want people to have to face the consequences of their shitty words yes there is thing there are things that happen i've had people come up to me because they think

i'm a white guy like i'm gonna i'm gonna okay not now i'm confused so is there more to that because they're just i'm going on a different i going to lie. I thought you were a white guy. I'm not going to lie. But you got me. I've had white people come up to me and say some nasty shit, like that I am completely abhorrent. It's completely abhorrent stuff. And they think that I'm going to be like, great, because you're white.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, wait, why the fuck would you think you can say that to me? Yeah, this guy gets it. No, I don't get it. No, no, no, no. I'm not that. I've had people. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So I've had that. I'm not that. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

So I've had that. I know it exists. We want to deny that certain things exist. So when people have shitty words that come out of their stupid mouths, you sometimes have to own it. And you have to sometimes own, if you were too dumb, to realize that not everybody's going to think the same way or take jokes or whatever, use public emails, you work emails.

That girl who said i'm going to africa i hope i don't get aids haha just kidding i'm white she thought she was being funny or whatever but then she wasn't so stupid we're gonna get we're gonna get we're gonna get to the context we're gonna get to the context of your own words i'm gonna stay on halloween right now because there's a lot of people right now could be listening to this on a headphone could be at walmart trying to decide what to be i don't know i'm trying to be helpful so so perfect value so but to my point is this there is no actual line but people always want to complain that oh there's a line no i know what you're saying let's make it easy everybody's got their line there's no

real line there's no real like hey we can all agree that blackface is an objective okay that's a line that's a line but we can't all agree that there's is an objective one. Okay, that's a line. But you know what? That's a line. We can't all agree that. There's people that still argue to this day that it's okay, which is crazy. But I think once you start getting in that 80%, 90% of people. Yeah, let's clarify. We're looking for her to pin in here, 80%. I'm not looking for the fringe ends. Yeah, because the fringe ends believe all kinds of good.

We're looking for the middle. I flew over the North Pole this week. I literally saw it. So if you want to be a flat earther, for all other reasons, I can send you a picture of the North Pole, you goon. We saw it. The line, though, in terms of taste, right?

Is it bad to be a sexy nun? Well, yeah, a really religious Catholic person might find it offensive. But then again, who cares? There is that part in Halloween costumes too, right? Unless it's a work function. Unless you're not willing to have that photo of you taken and shared, right? I think one of the few jokes I can ever remember Carlos Mencia saying that I thought was funny.

That was his? No, no, no. No, Carlos Mencia. And he was like, look, let's call a spade a spade. Halloween is international dress like a whore day. Which Vegas is. I i'm gonna be a sexy veterinarian don't take this from us yeah yeah anyway but so let's talk about world leaders let's find out let's let's let's find a line there i think we can all agree hitler off limits

you see but a lot of people do like a really funny hitler where it's hitler and drag right so you're making oh you're making fun of it you're making fun of it you can't just go be hitler harry the he paid the price for that because it's like if you understand what nazis actually did everybody talks about nazis nowadays people don't realize how terrible it was what actually happened yeah go go read some history go look at the pile of bodies it's a that's one of those things you go i can see why this is maybe not as funny as yeah but if you're hitler and you dress up like he's a closet drag queen right like the jojo rabbit the jojo rabbit i still think you don't look i'm not doing i still no no no no no no i was like i can't wait i'm saying i don't think there's any i think that

i don't think there's any rendition of hitler you're gonna get away with. I think that is beyond the line in today's world. I think Hitler's there. So let's move the line a little further. Okay. Let's move down a little further. This is a great little segment. Yeah, we'll move down a little further. I'm just saying.

Let's go with like a – obviously we talked about Fidel Castro. So you thought Fidel Castro. Where are you with Castro? So Castro, I think that one is just sort of, I wouldn't even think about it. I would say, yeah, it's just a goofy. Because people wear Che Guevara t-shirts. Well, which is just asinine. But people are also ignorant.

People are so ignorant, and they're not to date of what really happened. Like you say, you go down to Miami, you're getting your ass kicked. Yeah, dressed like Fidel Castro. That's a problem. Well, but I mean, talk about something that scares them. It's Halloween, right? You can have an afternoon. The thoughts and feelings of Chris Cottle.

You want to talk about somebody that you can say, oh, that scares me. Okay, what about, let's talk about Russian leaders. I mean, can you get away with Stalin? You know what's funny is you can, and that's a funny, weird thing about who writes the history books, right? Because Russia, I'm about to say something real unpopular. Russia was a real big reason why that World War II was won.

Real big reason. Like, real, real big. And so when people talk about Stalin, they don't realize that he had committed far more atrocities objectively than Adolf Hitler ever did. Oh, sure. It's not an apology for anybody who commits the most murder. But Stalin murdered.

Can you get away with Stalin? I think you could. I don't think you could. I think you could. I don't think people. Because Stalin's not a part of the cultural fabric as much as Hitler. Because everything that anyone does that is bad. You're now Hitler. That's good.

Nobody says you're Stalin. You're a Stalin here. Okay. Let's talk about, uh, what about the North Korea guy? Yeah, you can go on. It's totally him.

You could, you could totally, you're making fun of how he looks. He's such an absurd looking little man. But he's great golfer though. I hear 18 hole. And he doesn't, he doesn't,

he's never taken a shit pretty impressive ever ever he should go to egypt but yeah that can be made fun of because it's absurd he's absurd his haircut's absurd yeah he's walking absurdity the hermit kingdom is absurdity that people think, oh, this, this fat little dork is somehow impressive whatsoever. Okay. He's literally the least impressive thing I've ever seen. And yes, his haircut is on the table for pure mockery. Okay. So let's say this, okay. Let's say that you go and you dress as, you know, you have the box of cornflakes on you and you have a knife and you're a serial killer. Yeah.

Right. What if you had a school bus and a gun and you're a school shooter? Is that okay? Is that not? Yeah. See, why is that different? Why is that different? Well, because I mean, little children being massacred is never like.

Who says the serial killer is not killing kids? What's the difference? Again, I would laugh at stuff because I don't have sensitivities about a lot of things. But I'm saying what's going to get you thrown out of the old Halloween? It is just like a couple of triggered things, right, where a lot of people are going to find that funny and a lot of people aren't. Here's the thing. You are probably able to go do that.

I don't think you can do that. People are just looking at you like an asshole. No, I don't think you can do that. No, I think it just goes to what people have been trained in their life to accept right which serial killer we've all trained to accept is something that's ooh scary but yeah they don't realize serial killers are raping kids and doing all that right yeah so i don't think they just look at the scary movie so i think a lot of it's what's trained in somebody's mind as what's offensive or not. When I'm like Chris, I can watch some

stuff that people say some really bad things and you know, I can find the humor in it and be shocked. But there you I mean right now you got to be careful on anything you say or do that like this podcast scares me. I get anxiety every time we do it. Yeah, the goalpost keeps moving, and I'm just trying to figure out where we currently are

and what you can and can't do. Yeah, I think, I don't know that a lot of things are off the table. I think, like you said, if it doesn't make fun of protected groups in a way that people can call punching down or whatever, if it's not touching protected groups, you're fine, okay? Now, in protected groups, like I said, you can dress up as a woman as a slutty woman right quote unquote you see those costume stores that actually will say like the

check the bad knockoff ones will be like slutty nurse yeah i think you just it'd be funny if the costume was just like a normal nurse's outfit that said it said like Kim, like, cause at one point they knew Kim and she was a little, a little risque. I think that, uh, I think you can't play into stereotypes anymore, right? Like,

I think you can't do any of that stuff. I think you can be slutty, whatever. I think you can be generic, whatever, but you gotta be careful, especially with protected classes or anything like that. But people literally lose their jobs from there's two things that people lose their jobs over there it's

just stupid halloween being a little crazy and christmas parties being too drunk right like those are people lose jobs all the time media social media yeah but you know it's funny you bring that up john because you can't trust his Muhammad, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can't. You can have that priest costume with a kid blowing you. Yeah. And people are okay with it. Why is that not over the line?

I mean, because in all fairness, that's like nobody has any sympathy for the Catholic Church after what they've done. Yeah, that's true. So you don't get a pass anymore. You can make fun of that. It's on the table for ridicule because they had known child molesters and were hiding it, right? So that is safe. But Mohammed, right, if you were dressed up with like a whatever,

I mean other than there being a cultural issue, but if you had a tag, you just walked around Mohammed and you were dressed up like in robes and had a, people would freak out. Yeah, they would. Oh, for sure. Like you are an insensitive piece of shit. I'm like, who is offended?

Nobody would be, right? Because not a lot of practicing Muslims in the city, specifically. I don't even know if there's a mosque here. It might be a very small one. No, there has to be. I think it's a very small one. Yes, there is. It's not a large population, right, of practicing.

So it's not something that you would think would be super offensive. But other people would know that that is going to be offensive if somebody's you know i mean it's like if somebody you guys if i was sitting there last night i don't i didn't have power when you don't have power and your phone dies you could just start thinking stuff right but no i just i i just started thinking, Cole, top five things you think of in the dark. Well, first off, I was thinking how crazy it'd be to be landing in these winds. It was crazy windy. There had to be 70 mile an hour gusts.

Yeah, it was. But then I thought, we have become so sensitive. I mean, every year you think, okay, we can't become more sensitive as a society. And every year it gets more and more. And you're just like, this has got to stop, right? It's got to go back to somewhat. Well, everything's a pendulum in life and society and what's acceptable. But here's the thing. I watch Netflix specials.

Go back to the Dave Chappelle special. He was saying some things in that special uh one was it had to do about um it was like a meta approach about how his relationship with the trans community has been in his comedy he's got a reputation for saying things that are whatever blah blah blah and he really leans into it so much so that i was watching it and some things i found funny just because i'd find things funny generally there's a lot of humor and tragedy. One was about his trans friend who had killed herself that he had brought up on stage and because and about she defended him publicly all the time because she's like he's not a critic of trans. He's he's a comedian and he just talks shit about his job.

But even in that special, though, I wanted to see him being like post. So there's things right. Like's there's post-modernism there's so the post-defense culture he's going to be so offensive that it actually kind of brings it back to you know to the middle or whatever but even in that special there were some things i'm like geez man this is kind of poor taste it's not really funny it just kind of doesn't sound right you know and there is a line where you go, yeah, I mean, I've probably grown in things. There's words I've said on the playground that, you know, if you heard those words talking about, you know.

Right. Well, you grow up and you understand. Things change and things kind of progress. But if you listen to a lot of comedy specials of a cult, I don't think that the line has changed. I just think that people are finding themselves in the niche they want to be. I think that content's still there. I think the line's changed. I think these

guys would love to be doing stuff. But also, sometimes it's good that it changed, right? I watched a Dean Martin roast all the time and some of that stuff was real racist and not funny. Everything Dean Martin ever said to Sammy Davis Jr. was racist. You sit there and you're like again i can find funny and everything you watch

a lot of that and you're like god man that's just that's not even it's not even funny anymore but or never race is a weird one too because there is things about race that i find hilarious like i i hope we don't get to a point where it's off limits because that shit's funny like if you're if your black friends are making fun of you for being a stupid white person it's like hilarious and you laugh together and then you'd be like hey uh you know you know they're amongst friends that's a great time you know because guys can shit on each other and it's love yeah yeah well i mean when you're with your buddies you're harassing each other and it's love yeah yeah well i mean when you're with your buddies you're harassing each other you know it is you take shots at people but if somebody else did it you know you know you know so i don't want things to be totally off the table i just like when people get clever

about how they do things right yeah like you know chapelle chapelle leans into race real hard and i find it funny because he does it in a way that I find funny. Like, even at the end when he's like, you don't realize I'm not against you. I'm against white people, right? Like, I'm sitting there laughing. I'm like, that was hilarious. Like, I don't, you know, and I was with you. I was watching it.

And some of it I was like, not so much. You're missing the boat. But I just feel like we've gotten so sensitive as a community. But, again, then you get some stupid stuff like the Raiders, you know, John Gruden's email. Yeah. That's then, yeah, now maybe there is, right? Of course.

Big news here in Las Vegas, John Gruden out as Raiders head coach. Chucky Super Bowl winning, Monday Night Football hallmark cornerstone of the game, if you will, out at the Raiders for obviously the emails that he wrote 10 years ago. So the question becomes with that, you know, you look at a situation where, and the stuff he wrote was offensive. There's no question. And some of it was three years ago, wasn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. No, no, no, no. And some of it was three years ago, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. And sorry to cut you off real quick. You guys, this goes back to what we talked about two episodes ago. Like, do not put stuff in emails that you would not want read out loud, right? In a courtroom, actually. Not even that. In front of your locker room.

Like, some of this stuff, like, that's your people. Like, that is your team. Everything you do in business, it down yep everything about a deal about an agreement about a transaction always put that in well you know that's well that brings a great commentary conversations with your buddies never never email that's one of my best piece of advice i always give everybody is is you want to cut through and clarify everything. And if you want to save yourself a lot of trouble in sales and business and everything else is eliminate that situation where your client says, I don't remember saying that, or you didn't say

this. And this is how you do that is every single time you have a conversation with a client that involves a deal point, devolves anything that's a hinge within that transaction, send them a follow up email and just say, hey, Bob, just following up with the conversation we just had. This is what we discussed. This is our course of action. This is what we're doing. And then if later at some point, if they say,

well, you didn't say that or I didn't say that, you go back to your email. You can refer back to it. And it diffuses the situation instantaneously because what a lot of people will do is they will, their clients will forget or misremember or whatever you want to say it, something that happened or they said, or you were supposed to execute on or a deal point.

And that person will then go back and say, well, I don't remember saying that. And then they fight with, start fighting with their client. And if you, and I always tell people, if you win an argument with your client, the prize is losing a client. Right. That's what it is. So that's in, um, what is that? Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people. Was it? You've never won an argument in a client. Right. That's what it is. That's in, what is that, Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Was it? You've never won an argument in your life. Right. True. So what are you talking about? I mean, I have because I go to court, and that's a different thing. Right. But you've never won an argument with a friend.

Because even if it's a friend, you still kind of hurt their feelings. Yeah, they walk away feeling belittled. Yeah. So no, but you don't win. There's no winning. Yeah. Unless you tell them their kids are fat. Because it doesn't.

And they turn that around. They turn it around. Hey, you, dress like Hitler. You got a fat kid. That's what you can't do. So, Colt, where do you think the line is? I want to know. Colt's line.

What's the line? What's the most, what's the furthest you would go personally? In a costume? In a Halloween costume. Yeah. You know what? I mean, unpopular opinion. I don't love Halloween like everybody else in Vegas.

Of course he doesn't love Halloween. I'm not a candy guy. Of course you're not. But you are one of those guys that likes candy corn. Oh, God, no. Top five worst candies. But do you know what? Every time I have to go as uh to a party that you have to be dressed up on you know what my go-to is

a spider or spider-man superman uh shirt i have i wear black suit with the superman i go as clark kent every time i'm the lamest halloween guy but those candy corns god they're horrible is it amazing that they can still sell those in 2021 i mean honestly we get a cancel culture against candy corn if you like it let me know it is the spirit it is the spirit airlines of underrated candy know what's the most underrated candy? Whatchamacallits. I love the whatchamacallits. Those are amazing. I agree with you, sir. Great, great candy.

I agree with you, sir. But no, I'm somebody that you can, people come up to me all the time and, hey, why don't you ever get your teeth fixed, right? Like, I don't know, because I like it. I don't get offended by shit. You could make fun of me. You could do whatever. I always tell people you can make fun of me. You could do whatever. I always tell people you can

make fun of somebody for anything other than something they're born with. Yeah, because that inalienable characteristics inalienable characteristics will hurt. If you talk to a guy who's short, that's always a sting. What can you do about it? If you're fat, you can get in shape.

If you're whatever, you can get contact lenses, whatever it is. I could fix my teeth tomorrow if I wanted to. But there's things that if you can't change them, that's always going to, and I don't care if they say they're cool with it. They're not cool. You hear a little guy saying, oh, I need a step stool. That's total a defense mechanism that is a survival technique learned. Yeah.

But other than that, I think a lot of things are fair games still. I mean, again, I find humor in a lot of stuff. You know, and that probably some stuff that I shouldn't. Like I'll be sitting there somewhere and I'll figure out something. What was your best Halloween costume of all time? My mom made them. We didn't have the best money, right? She over his head yeah she made me like a nasa thing spray painted it i think i was high the whole night so it was i was pretty cool so i always just put on a bell clavicle and was a ninja

ninja because it was like freezing up by october 30th so i love i love to tell me about my ninja disguise t-shirts i love that it's great we pick it up now the best one i ever had personally uh this is maybe 10 years ago i'm just kenny powers nice dude and i had it down it was like the black ecstasy outfit and my wife was like that is the stupidest thing i've ever nobody's gonna know who you are dude everybody knew don't you love people? I feel like you should be able to dress up once a month to just kind of see if people get you. You know who your real friends are. At that point, people that were like, hell yeah, you know what?

We could be friends. It'd be an easy way to figure out who's friends and not. If people are offended by it or don't get it it's all right keep moving we're not going to be friends so but we all do come from an era though where you had to like memorize things because we didn't have the internet and memes yeah so we had to memorize things like movies and music yeah right yeah like oh yeah do something to have something to talk shit about your buddy yeah no but memes man how funny is that the only good thing about the internet i can get lost in memes.

Well, let's take a quick break. Guys, we'll be back from the break. When we come back, we're going to talk about, if you've been listening to this and you're thinking to yourself, after hearing the John Gruden news, if you're thinking to yourself, oh, shit, I probably did something stupid maybe 10 years ago. Let's talk about how to get a plan for getting ahead of that to maybe minimize that damage if that's something that you actually did crack in a minute hey it's john gafford if you want to catch up more and see

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where quite frankly, we're talking about, uh, just if you've got bad ideas, stupid, where's the line with Halloween costumes, uh, just all kinds of stuff. But if you saw John Gruden get fired for some stuff, he said, you know, 10, 3, whatever, how long ago it was, just stupid things he may have done.

And you may have thought to yourself, oh, shit. I used to be a moron. I used to be an idiot. And, you know, the first thing I'll say about this is I'm going to celebrate one of the Beastie Boys. I don't know which one it was um and they whichever one it was they was doing an interview and they said you know how can you come out here now and say that you support women when your lyrics were so misogynistic in the past and all of these things and his comment back was he goes look i would rather be called a hypocrite than be somebody that's never learned and involved

as a human right is what he said so you know I like to think that we all get better as we get older. We've all said and done dumb things in the past, some more dumb than others. But let's say, Connell, you're sitting there and you're somebody at home and they're sweating it out right now. Actually, you know what? I'm going to save your voice of reason for just the voice of whatever might happen. So, Colt, let's say it's you.

What's your plan, buddy? I think it was Ad-Rock, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it Ad-Rock? You know, I don't know. Tell you. What's your plan, buddy? I think it was Ad-Rock, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it Ad-Rock? You know, I don't know. Tell people go F themselves. Like, right? Like, no.

Double down? Yeah, just double down. Be like, you know what? I believed it then. I believe it now. And, yeah. No, honestly. Just went in doubt.

Just go super defensive and double down. Triple down. Remember that email you forgot about completely from 10 years ago? Look, if anybody's out there and says they don't have something, they said something stupid, hey, first off, something 20, 30 years ago that was completely normal is now something stupid sometimes. So things can get dragged in and

you know it can become an issue where hey you know what back then 20 years ago what i said wasn't as bad but you have to own up to it right like you had john gruden resigned that quick because there was no owning up to it and there was no you could not fix there was too many he went after uh women he went after uh black people he went after uh gay people gay people he went after i mean he did he just knocked it all out it was the bingo card of offense yeah no you know but i try triathlon you know and he could have probably came back from it if he'd own up to it and everything but i think in this culture you can own up to you know what i didn't like not four you know what you know what i didn't like dude this is what i really didn't like the gruden did

i didn't like the spin yeah on the lips comment was supposed to mean he's got rubber lips and he's like like is he like looking at some 1700s thesaurus for analogies that will somehow try to see if that's actually a phrase that people use. Never. Yeah, I didn't look it up. I'm going to look it up now. I didn't look it up before. You know what's funny, though? The irony is this, is that the Raiders, now here's the thing. People talk shit about the Raiders sometimes.

Oh, a bunch of thugs. Think of the history of the Raider in terms of how they had the first black coach, Art Shell. Yeah. They had the first Hispanic coach, right? Nassib came out as openly gay Right They're like the most woke team

In the NFL They are entirely Alvarez had a strong history He just wanted to win It doesn't matter Pro race relations, pro player So the Raiders have a strong history Of inclusiveness

So does Las Vegas as a city. We don't, it's a place with a lot of kind of transient people and blend. Yeah. 60s. It wasn't now it is. Things grow over time. Right.

And I'd like to think our city is, well, I think anytime you're in a cool little spot like Vegas or Miami or New York, you know, you'll still go to, you know, somewhere in the middle of Wisconsin or something that it's not. Right. And I think that's a beauty of, like you said, traveling,

right. When you travel, you get around all these different cultures and stuff. The great thing about living in a big city is you get to see different cultures. I mean, I never in my life ate Cuban food, you know, like we didn't have cubans growing up you know we had a lot of mexicans a lot of guamans but to get that or real like authentic asian you know like chinese food or something like that like you don't get it and then to get the cultures you don't understand people people that's why people even come to las vegas that's why it's everything a piece of shit show like zoomanity which to me is just laughable. You know, I think we've actually hit it on Zumanity as much as we've hit it on Chili's.

Let me tell you something, Chili's. You thought you were going to get away with it. We'll have a segment where we didn't talk about you, but no, you didn't. You served me six margaritas and then towed my car, Chili's. Towed his car? Did he ever get your money from that? Salt Lake City Chili's, dreadful. I'm going to Salt Lake. No, I'm going to Salt Lake.

I'll be right next to there. Would you like me to take some? Don't go to Chili's. No, I think you to Salt Lake. I'll be right next to there. Would you like me to take some? Don't go to Chili's. No, I think you should go in there and you should tell them. Say, hey, look, dude. I don't know if you guys know this. There's this podcast and they talk about you guys every week. There's a target on here.

Follow Colt underscore Amidon on Instagram. I'll send a picture of Chili's. No, here's what I want you to do. Want me to serve them? No, I want you to go into Chili's and I want you to say. Want me to serve them? No, I want you to go into Chili's. And I want you to say, hey, did you guys know there's a podcast that talks about your restaurant every week? And they'll be like, really? Say, yeah.

And then I want you to get the manager on Mike Live. Say, can I get to sit and be like, why is server guy six margaritas in the toast car? That's what you ask him. It's up to you, Chili's. I might do it. And then he'd go, why are you going to a Garth Brooks concert, John? Yeah. Allegedly, counselor. Allegedly.

John, counselor. Allegedly, counselor. But yeah, no. So to Colt's advice of doubling down, I'm not sure if I would take that one. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. All right. People, if you, there's this Chinese saying that the nail that sticks out gets hammered.

Yeah. So the more you're in a public forum, the more you're noticed, there's just going to be greater. 99% of people aren't going to be at home, and that stupid email they sent to their girlfriend or whatever, it's not going to resurface for the most part. Just it's not. Everybody has skeletons in their closet. You know what's even the worst thing is when you get those Facebook memories

from 10 years ago. It's cringy. I delete. And you're in blackface as dressed as Hitler. You're like, oh, man, that was probably a bad choice. Blackface, that's meta. So, no, it's one of those things that's probably not going to fix. But if it does, you know, obviously,

I think people that apologize in terms of, no, here's the other thing. You don't have to apologize for every little fucking indiscretion that people accuse you of yeah here's so so there's two things that happened at the same time back in the day tiger woods was busted for adultery and you know who else was at that very same time was dave letterman and do you remember dave letterman's response no you know why you don't remember yeah because he didn't put one out because he said hey go fuck yourself private matter yep and you know

what and because he wasn't gonna uh give people reasons to keep clutching their pearls and feed in. What did Tiger Woods do? He went and ran and he went and hid and he let it affect him. He thought it was like, yeah, anyway, on to the next thing. None of your business. Yeah. People went, well, if we're not going to get a response from them that we want,

it's not going to go anywhere. So Justin. So Colt. Colt. Top we want, it's not going to go anywhere. So, Justin. So, Colt. Colt. Top five hottest Tiger Woods mistresses. Well, so I actually knew. Moving on. Moving on.

I can't. No, I can't go into that. So, I got really cool. So, I'll tell you guys that off. I can't. But, yeah, no. Sometimes. Well, hang on. Stop. No, stop. Stop. tell you guys that off. I can't. But yeah, no, sometimes. Well, hang on.

Stop. No, stop. Stop. I'm not. Wait a second. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cool. No.

You know, our 10,000 plus subscribers. Now we have a responsibility to the people. Colt to share the story with. No, I tell you what. Just change the names and I'll click the camera over. So when they look like it's on YouTube, it looks like Chris, move your your mouth it looks like you're telling the story it's a deep fake uh no some of my buddies um they knew that they knew he was married to the girl that blew it out right he he he called tiger woods and like hey the wife's going to uh throw you up your car with a minor no no no it

was going to call and tell him. He's saying she was married to one of the mistresses. Mistresses. Oh. And, you know, called and said, hey, you might want to get in front of this. But there's a lot to it. But he went on tour. Sometimes you're making things worse.

You are. I keep talking about stuff, right? Like sometimes if you're going, and don't do the bullshit if I offended. You did offend people. Just say I offended stuff, right? Like sometimes if you're going and don't do the bullshit, if I offended, you did offend people. Just say I offended people, right? Like don't do, if I offended you, I'm sorry. That's such a bullshit. Uh, excuse.

Yeah. Just, just sit there and say, I offended you. That's a hollow apology. I'm sorry. And I think that's it. I think when people, sometimes it's the most appropriate. I'm sorry that you are incapable of managing your own feelings. But you know what?

If you said it that way, it's different, right? Like if you say that. What you said offended me. I said, I'm sorry that you're incapable of managing your emotions as an adult. I'm sorry that it's. I'm sorry that's true. But you know what? Honestly, it just depends on how bad it was, right?

Like John Gruden, there was, there's no coming back at that. When you are relied upon with 90% African-American people, you know, and you're supposed to be the leader of that. You get paid $10 million to make better decisions. Well, yeah. In all fairness, he wasn't working for the organization. He wasn't doing that. But Chris, it goes to me.

You're working in the game. Yeah. My issue with Gruden is you're not some guy that's around nothing but white guys and they don't know the difference, right? Like they're not hidden in some little town in the middle of nowhere. You've been around. When you're around different cultures, you understand. right like they're they're not hidden in some little town in the middle of nowhere you you've been around when you're around different cultures you understand look there are piece of crap white people there's piece of crap black people they're piece of crap mexican there's piece of crap right

that when you become to that point is my problem with him is how are you around these people and still after being exposed and not being. Oh, God. I met athletes. Oh, I met athletes. I did not reflect that. How do you know it's going to be there with this box of shit like in the Greek? God damn it. Jimmy the Greek.

Yeah. Pulitzer Prize. He used to live right across the, down the way from here. No, but at the end of the day, like you like you said maybe he was so a lot of those players came out and were like you know he's not a racist here's the other thing too there's a lot of people that say stupid things right you can say stupid things and not be an actual racist right i agree and i think sometimes people forget that a lot of times we have to look at people as flawed messengers of things we have to look at people as not everybody's good with this guy thought he was making a joke and he's an idiot so he's but yeah he's if you come out and you go

hey what i said that was really shitty and i would never do that again yeah and i was stupid and maybe wasn't exposed to it like you know you can we got he's got black uh uh athletes and he's got gay athletes on his team i know you that's why he was resigned everybody sat there and goes oh he'll come back from it as soon as i heard that it went after both i'm like he's done you can't and they were the first uh they had a female president the raiders were the first organization that are female in a in a c-level position so he he he went all three levels of kind of you know protected individuals that have faced historical problems, discrimination. He went after white people.

And as a power broker, as like a white man and all that, he really – it would have been really encouraging if he had made better choices for people because he's in a position of leadership. So if you see people in positions of leadership make high character decisions, it's really going to double down and reinforce your love for them and your loyalty. But when you have people in those powers, we've all been in text chains where people say things. Well, let me ask a question we haven't asked yet. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Let me ask this question. Let me ask this question. Let me ask. No, no, no, no, no, no. Let me ask this question. The score at the end of the fourth quarter this weekend if it's 35-3,

the Raiders win to screw it and retire. I know. Yes, absolutely. That's what I'm... If he wins, if he wins... Raiders are 5-0?

Yeah. It's still... We're going to send him to that rehabilitation shit where they send all the celebrities. He's getting treatment. He's getting treatment for being an asshole. The problem is he didn't go after just one. He didn't make one.

But I'm telling you, I think he could be undefeated. You could beat the shit out of your wife, Paul. You could punch your wife out in the middle of an elevator and come back. Joe Mixon's still playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No kidding. Yeah, but if that would have happened three years later, no. Even though it just – we are at a time that is so extreme,

and I'm telling you, every year is getting more and more. If you watch all of the NFL shows, you watch all the NFL shows this week, all they talked about was, it's going to be interesting to see how the players respond in the locker room, how the players respond to Gruden after seeing this. And I think if they would have come out and won 35 to three, I don't know if we're talking about this right now.

I completely agree with you, John. I completely agree. Michael Vick is an analyst for Fox Sports. The guy fought dogs. The guy fought dogs the guy fought dogs literally the one thing you can't do in this world is is abuse animals yeah you can see children starving people don't give a shit if a dog is starving oh my god did you see the cats thing the did you ever see that the cats thing on netflix oh don't fuck with cats oh yeah did you ever see that perfect perfect point yeah don't fuck with cats yeah netflix perfect point about somebody that tortured a cat right and they found them through the most

forensic and the guy turned up being a murderer as well yeah which is spoiler alert but if if the raiders are five and oh and they're putting up like bill's level play okay we're not having this conversation joe mixon hit that girl this was three years ago he punched her like evander holyfield in his prime he punched her like i've never like it those guys can come back if you win money is the only thing that matters in the nfl they don't care about they don't give a shit about okay. I don't care. What you said, what you did, if you're winning and you're making money for the broadcast, the owners will protect you. You're protected from a fine eye by the Prince of Dublin.

Kaepernick would still be playing if he was good. No. Kaepernick would be playing if he was good. Yes, he would. Oh, if he was good. Yeah, if he was good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. If the homes came down and was needed.

Oh, no, for sure. Not the one that happened. For 1,000%. Yeah. The problem is Kaepernick just really was serviceable. Yeah, flash in the pan. Serviceable, right? 1,000%. The problem is Kaepernick just really was serviceable. Yeah, flash in the pan. Serviceable, right?

If you look at any of these guys that are producing at a high level, there's a place for them in the NFL. Yeah. I agree with that. But not as a coach because you're on a whole different – you're almost a boss. If Urban Meyer was 5-0 in jacksonville he could have the entire i think we you know what urban's urban's doing what he always does urban's urban no no urban yeah it's like urban is doing what urban always does which is that usc job came open it was it

was reported not i guess last week i guess i promise we're not devolving this whole thing into a sports show i promise but no you know it came out last week that a source that's a friend of his said urban made the comment that playing in the nfl was like playing alabama every week yeah every week and it was it was wearing on him and then here he's like okay so let's see hmm i was a god at the university of florida i could do whatever i wanted bend the rules and when the heat came i just bailed out said i needed to go to some sort of, I needed some time, whatever. And then I go to Ohio State where I do whatever I want and I get treated like a god.

And that's good. And then I come here and I'm getting my ass kicked every week and it's not good. And oh, wait, did USC just fire their coach? No, apparently he had been in talks for the USC job. Now he's not getting it. Oh, really? Yeah. You think USC has now pulled the plug out because of that?

I think. I hope so. He's got to retire. I mean, it's not just a Florida State Seminole and me talking, but I hate that dude. I hate that guy. Anyway, it might just be the Florida State Seminole and me talking, but I hate that guy.

But anyway, when crisis hits and crisis, it could hit you at any time. Who knows the way that things go? And everybody has a past. And I got to tell you, I have a personal experience with this. It was pretty brutal, and it was bad. And here's my story as to what happened is, you know, I was on The Apprentice with Donald Trump many moons ago. For those of you who didn't know that, I was a contestant on that show in season three.

And that show dramatically changed after season two. And what I mean by that is there was a very major change that happened between season two and season three of The Apprentice, and it was this. If you watched that show years ago, essentially it was people competing for a job to work for Donald Trump, which I know you can put as much value in that as you want now. But back in the day, it was the number one show on NBC. It was huge. I mean, there's millions of people saw it. The exposure you got from being on the show was worth kind of whatever happened. So season one or two, you'd watch it. It was like watching a great horse race where you would have contestants

saying what the horses would run and you would pick a horse. And then, you know, as it would go along, they get eliminated and your horse would lose. And then came a contestant named Omarosa and Omarosa for lack of a better phrase was an absolute, just train wreck villain villain. She, I think she came on the show with the intention of being a villain and it was season two. And when Trump fired her,

when he got rid of her, everybody went berserk and yay, Trump, yay, Trump for firing her. Well, here's a little known fact about our former president. He feeds on attention, in case you didn't know that. He likes the applause. Likes the applause at the big arena. I know, shocker, right?

Likes the applause at the big arena. Enjoys it. Thrives on it. It powers him. So the big change between season two and season three was Trump became an executive producer on the show. He was hired help first two seasons. He had no say so with anything and how the show was run, but to stay on, he wanted producer cut, which means he got input on how the show was. Now, when you film a reality show, for those of you don't know, you have camera, multiple cameras on you all day long, right? It's just, it does not stop. I mean, we were there for 50 something days and you live with a camera on you all day long, right? It's just, it does not stop. I mean, we were there for 50-something days,

and you live with a camera on you while you're sleeping, while you're walking, talking, everywhere you go. There's always a camera. And essentially what they do is, the job of the reality television producers is not necessarily to report the truth. The job is to create a compelling story

that you'll want to watch. It's not getting raining. It's entertainment, right? So, for example, I could tell Colt a joke. I could tell him the moth joke, which I won't, but I could. I could tell Colt the moth joke, and it could go on for eight minutes, whatever. And at the end of it, Colt could laugh like crazy hysterically. And then 10 minutes from now, I could tell Colt my grandmother died,

and I could get Colt's reaction. The people editing the show could decide it's better to take the joke and then the reaction from the grandmother and mix them together to make it look like the joke fell flat they could very easily do that and what the apprentice became and it was subsequent seasons till it was it was over was you could see who was going to get fired on the apprentice a mile away because they started doing things like playing the french horn music when you walked by. And it became the goal of production, or I think really under the direction of Trump, to villainify everybody that got fired. It became very easy to watch and figure out what was going to happen because Trump wanted to look like the hero every week when he got rid

of the idiot contestant, the moron contestant, the mean contestant, the, this person contestant. So long story short, how this affected me was I went to New York to watch my final episode. Cause they don't show it to you that you're filming, you're filming it. Then you go home and then they come back the week you get fired to do all your press. And I went back to New York and I was sitting in Jim down who was the lawyer for NBC and he's passed away since nice guy, and I was sitting in Jim Dowd, who was the lawyer for NBC. He's passed away since. Nice guy, but I was sitting in his office watching my final episode, and dude,

now granted this stuff came out of my mouth at certain times, but I would be joking around with some of the girls like Aaron and Stephanie, and some of the girls were on the show with me, and I would say something funny, and during this task, I made a comment that I was going to go pimp some girls, and they were all giggling. It was funny. We were laughing about this, but they cut that together to make it look like they were hyper offended by it. So I get labeled a sexist, even though I was partner, you know, every company I had at the time, I was partners with a woman. Um, I've been working around with

my whole life. I had tons of female employees and it was just, it was so crazy to me as I'm watching this unfold that I kind of got the tone of what they were trying to do right with the edit and i was like holy shit this is gonna be bad and i literally i literally picked up my chair and threw it at the wall in jim down's office i'm like you can't air this he's like it's done there's nothing we can do this is where you're at you signed away away. You signed away. Exactly. You signed it all away. And so there comes a French born on John. And it was so bad that literally Katie Couric refused to interview me on the Today Show. She refused. Because you're the heel.

Did Matt want to? No, Lester Holt. I had to do it. Lester Holt did not interview me, but Katie was supposed to. She refused to do it. That pig. And then I spent an entire day on press of what should have been me promoting my company and talking about positive things that I do, playing defense to my performance on this thing.

Like Homer Simpson when he grabs the Venus de Milo off the gummy? Yeah. So literally, here's what happened. And this is back in the gummy. Yeah. Yeah. So, so literally here's what happens. So this is back in the day. So back in the day there was television without pity was the forum where I'm getting murdered on these, on these online forums. You know,

people are up in arms about me. I'm just getting demolished. And, and you know, I like to say my claim to fame is the, the, you know, I took the most dramatic nosedive in reality show history.

Cause everybody, the first episode, they're like, this guy's going to win. He's the smartest guy ever. And man, like this guy string him up and i'm like oh my god and it was dude and it was a mind twist because especially it was something that you know taken out of context i didn't even really do so what i did was i played defense all day and i tried to explain this and i tried to explain you know they're they're telling a story and they're

playing me as a character and they wanted me to be the evil prince and blah, blah, blah. And that even made it worse. Look at this guy who thinks he's so important that they're going to take the time out to. God. Yeah, it did. It made it worse. So the reality of it is, is if anything like this happens to you, do a couple of things. What I should have said and what I should have done was, number one, as soon as it came out, both Aaron and Stephanie, the girls that were supposedly hyper offended, came kind of rushing to my defense.

I'm like, dude, that was crazy. Like, if you want us to go on and say anything and, you know, in this day and age, it would be much easier with social media because you could just connect up to people and put stuff out. It would be everywhere. Then, literally, I had the 45 seconds that the camera was on me to make a point, you know, when I was doing these interviews, it'd be much easier to deal with now. But if you, if you deal with it now, I think a couple of things, number one, own the fact that whatever came out of your mouth came out of your mouth. Don't double down on it. That's bad. Own the fact that what it was, I really like social proofing. If you supposedly offended someone or a person or said something directly to that person, I think that person directly saying I was not offended is a positive.

Sure. I think it's hard to continue to get on the road of saying, you know, like, for example, if I send an email to you and I say something mean to you and it comes up and people are like, oh, he's so mean. You'd be like, dude, I was not offended by that. We were joking around.

We were just joking around. Don't also be this guy. To your point, John, don't be the guy that's like i'm not racist i have a black friend i'm not oh no i'm not sexist i have daughters like you can be a sexist father yeah like what you want to do is say look yeah i said that and i wouldn't say that again because i don't feel like those words are appropriate anymore yeah right and i you know that's not how I feel. That, I think, is one of those responses where if you don't take that as good enough, that's a you.

I can't help you. I can't help you manage your own feelings because I want people to grow and change. Like you said, the Beastie Boys point, it was Thomas Jefferson or something that said you're a flip-flopper politically. You felt this position one day and now you feel this way.

He goes, well, when the facts change, my opinions change. And I've learned, oh, I didn't realize that, you know, I hear people say this all the time. Why don't these people pull themselves up with the bootstraps? Or why don't women do this? Or why don't, I don't like when gay people shove it in my face. It's like, well, is it being shoved in your face or do people just want equal rights? Right. You go, oh, well, I didn't realize that my perspective

made me only see something one way. I've changed my opinion. Now, you know, that's what I want to see in this world. And if it hasn't changed after reviewing the facts objectively, then it hasn't changed. But at the end of the day, we need in our culture to be open to change and growth. But I think, you know, I think, I think you're going to be the victim. the day, we need in our culture to be open to change and growth. But I think you're going to be the victim. I mean, thank God, honestly. You know, I said the comment earlier, it would have been easier with social media that I could have put out a better statement to deal with that when it happened 10 years ago or 15 years ago when it was. Jesus.

But it would have been. Did I get old sitting here? I think I did. But no, I could have put out a better statement dealing with that. But the reality of it is it probably would have been worse. I mean, look at this. And I'm going to talk about this. I don't know if I should. I'm going to talk about it anyway.

But I don't know if you guys saw this, but NASCAR race at Talladega. I don't know if you saw this or not. Racer wins. He wins the truck race. His name is Brandon something. Let's go, Brandon. Let's go brandon let's go brandon yeah all right do you know who that reporter is no that's gavin's wife that's my partner's wife oh wow so let's talk about that okay so here's what happened here's what here's what happened here's what

happened so everybody's on the sidelines of this thing and they're chatting and they're chanting fuck joe biden right she's got those nascar pit headphones on where i'm sorry these headphones are designed to let you talk to the booth while there's a 2000 horsepower whatever car revving at 9000 rpms standing xe yeah nascar race you do not understand how loud it's so incredible it's so it's so incredibly loud nothing here's the thing i'm telling you this right now is she got a bullet about people like oh the left wing media you know they made her say that's covered up blah blah dude this is my business this is not like i heard from a dude that kind of knows a chick that maybe knew so this is my business partner's wife right right? He told me

for the love of God, that's what she thought they were saying. Why wouldn't you? There was, yeah, there was no, there was no, there was no coverup. There's nobody in her ear. NBC is not trying to do anything deliberate. Now I'm going to, am I not saying that NBC is left-leaning liberal? Of course they are. Yes, they are. But but in that particular moment she had no clue what they're saying and she got absolute vitriol tossed in her social media gavin got emails attacked at him oh left-wing libertar dude no she's trying to do her job at a nascar race not make a political statement about what it is and because of the echo chamber that we, that people like to exist in online now, she's in here's newsflash for you. I'm pretty sure. Cause I know the net

worth of my partner and as well, I'm pretty sure they don't vote blue. Let me go and help you out without, you know, let me help you out right now. Pretty sure they vote with the old checkbook there, buddy. I'm, I don't know that for a fact, but I'm pretty sure they're conservative. Yeah. Have you seen that meme that it has the English chanters in the soccer stadium? Mm-hmm. The chant is, that is embarrassing. That is embarrassing.

So in English, they chant this thing, that is embarrassing. But there's this thing, It has eight different things. It's like Flintstone vitamin. Which one is this? It's like that guy that did the whole comedy sketch. But the point is, like, okay, number one, it's not what she said. Right. But number two, even if it was her and on the headphones,

you get a live broadcast from Talladega, and this is not what happened, but even if it was, and you got your boss in your ear saying, you need to address this and say this, you're a paid employee with headphones on, listen to the booth, the producer tell you what to say, even if it was that, she doesn't deserve to get smashed the way this just and it's disgusting let's say an offensive that people think that they're somehow defending some ideology by attacking her is ridiculous and offensive but what about this let's say she heard them clear as day in here they're saying fuck joe by what is she gonna do what's she supposed to do say oh those people

behind you're saying fuck joe biden you hear that brandon so wouldn't isn't like literally the most um nimble on your feet thing to do would be to say hey i think they're cheering for you brandon yeah but i'm but i'm telling but i'm telling you like i'm telling you galaxy brain shit no she could have done that on her feet i know it is it's super way but to john's point like that's genuinely what she thought they were saying and genuinely is it now she's dealing with that veltro and she is one of the sweetest people that i know and it's it's it's such a realize that they've got multiple people talking to them they've got headphones when you're doing interviews or you know these guys have two or three people in their ear like talking stuff

you can't hear anything so not only are you not listening if you could hear something but you're focused you know well that went back to yeah we talked about before it's the it's the anonymous green egg on twitter that's got all these big opinions they don't do though yeah she's out there on tv she's out there you know presenting herself i it's childish that people would you know well that she's got some illuminati level well let's let's hope let's look if you listen to this let's hope you've never said anything stupid if it does come to light a day hopefully it gets dealt with you know hopefully gets dealt with in a way where people are kind to you and expect except the fact that you can grow as a human. Legally though, here, here is something I would say. I always tell people have that phone call,

have that conversation, even if, and again, I'm not trying to say diffuse responsibility, but admitting mistakes in an email, probably not a great idea. Don't, don't double down on, on the fact that the written word is going to screw you over. Call them and say, hey, look, I apologize, whatever, blah, blah, blah. If you send an email, oh, mea culpa, you know, oh, I was wrong, that could have consequences, right? So apologies are better in person, on the phone. Plan on that being read.

Anything, like you always say, anything that you put in writing, plan on being read in the courtroom. Yeah. And if you're not happy with that, then you're bashing with that then uh facing those exact texts in a deposition exactly exactly all right well that's gonna wrap it up for another episode of the power move thanks again for subscribing if you like what we do tell a friend if you hate what we do tell two because it doesn't matter if they're talking as long as they're talking. Hey, it's John Gafford.

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