Escaping the Drift with John Gafford - When Violence is the Answer with Tim Larkin | The Power Move Podcast EP 59

Episode Date: August 4, 2022

The Power Move Podcast with John Gafford Episode 59Learn and burn Entrepreneurship from serial entrepreneur John Gafford and his band of mayhem makers. From stripper poles to the oval office, business lessons are everywhere. This week we discuss Tim training the elite of the elite warriors in this world in hand to hand combat as well as he got banned from the UK! Check it out.

From the art of the deal to keeping it real. Keeping it real. Live from the Simply Vegas studios, it's The Power Move with John Gafford. Back again, back again, back again. Welcome for another episode of The Power Move. My name is John Gafford. I am your host on this show. We talk about business, we talk about life, we talk about strange and interesting things, and cool people come and share their secrets

to success and what they do. Joining me in the studio today, as always, is Colt, the Bulgarian mongoose Amadan. What's going on, everybody? What's the fighting weight right now, Colt? What's the fighting weight? What is it? 182. 182?

Yeah. Skinny fat. Skinny fat. That's a skinny fat guy What is it? 182. 182? Yeah. Skinny fat. Skinny fat. That's a skinny fat guy? Yeah, that's fine. And then also, we're in the studio today, Chris, the counselor. Connell, how are you, sir? What's going on, gentlemen?

And sitting next to him in the studio in the hot seat today is a friend of mine that I – scariest guy I know, let's be honest with you. Let's be honest. I thought I was. No, for different reasons. I thought it was a vet. For different reasons. Yeah, that's the scariest guy I know. No, for different reasons. I thought it was a vet. For different reasons. Yeah, that's the scariest guy I know.

No, but in the studio today, Tim Larkin, I mean, has graced the cover of Black Belt Magazine, author of the book When Violence is the Answer, which I think, if nothing else, that is the best title for a book in the history of books. Banned from the United Kingdom. Still banned. Still banned from the United Kingdom, and banned still banned for the united kingdom and a great story we're going to talk to tim today about uh his story i got there first of all how you doing tim great man thanks for having me on man dude thanks for coming in man i appreciate it

uh we're doing a little tim has a great podcast too and uh call me and ask me a couple questions about our studio setup and i said i got a better idea just come over here i can extrapolate some amazing stories for you and we can I'll show you how the studio works. This is worth the trip alone, man. I appreciate that dude. I do. So first of all, in the news this week, a couple of things we're going to talk about. Obviously, now Colton, let me ask you a question.

Right? I haven't watched the news though. All right. Well, two years ago, this is more of a trivia question, right? Two years ago, somebody went on the main stage at Inman, which is funny because Inman is actually right now. It starts today. For those of you who don't know what Two years ago, somebody went on the main stage at Inman, which is funny because Inman is actually right now. It starts today. For those of you who don't know what Inman is,

it is the largest real estate conference of the year. It is the biggest one. It's here in Vegas, and it's going on right now. It starts today. The main stage there, there's probably, I don't know, 6,000, 7,000, 8,000 people in that room on the main stage.

Somebody sat on the main stage two years ago and essentially called all of the ibuyers which is the companies like open door offer pad and these other companies crooks and said they were perpetuating the greatest theft in american history as wall street stole the equity from homeowners on main street who was that colt well that person didn't make friends that day no who was it though it was you that's right it was that's right it was me that did that it did me and since you didn't read the news this week yesterday yesterday, the FTC, in their wise and judgment, decided to smack Opendoor, which is the leading iBuyer out there, with a $62 million fine

for, in their words, not mine. What was it? Cheating? Yeah, it was cheating. It was essentially they were misleading homeowners as to the fact that they had no fees and it was cheaper to sell with them than with a realtor and after an in-depth study the fdt fdc determined that those homeowners would have made more money on the open market with a realtor so i hate to say i told you so you do you hate no you know what there's two things i hate there's two things i do love to say i told you so and fuck you chilies i like to say that too so anyway but

i got a new member of that salt lake maybe maybe we need to go up there but i have a i have a new member of the chilies club oh papa john's dude dead to me dead yeah sure yeah i think he said popeyes for a second i'm going no no no there's popeye no popeyes popeyes gets a pass no matter what let's face that so bad with papa john's that all right here's what's the n-word didn't lose you didn't lose them at the n-word a couple years back i'm a forgiver why don't you just sage on your retroactive like it's been okay there we go it's probably just forgot to mention it no i read it i read an article that said that they don't you just sage on your retroactive? Okay, there we go. I just forgot to mention it. No, I read an article that said that they don't have enough people. I randomly read this article saying that Papa John's does not have enough employees, so they have outsourced their ordering overseas, and now everybody in the store is just a cook or driver.

Which I get. That seems smart to me. So randomly, my son, just out of the blue, we never order from there, goes, I want Papa John's. Really? Okay. So me and Gidget were getting ready to go to your house. Yep.

And I was like, so we'll order Papa John's. I go, no problem ordering it. Obviously, talking to a third world country, could hear the call center in the background. You knew it was not a restaurant when you called. And the lady's like, it'll be 30 minutes. Okay. An hour later, we're still on pizza. So I call up and I kind of had to finagle the number to actually get to the store.

And I get to the store and I was like, you guys, I can help you. I'm like, dude, it's been over an hour for our pizza. No, I'm sorry. This would have been an hour and 10 minutes. And I was like, it's been over an hour and 10 minutes. And she's like, he's like, oh yeah, that's bad, dude. Hang on a second. You want to talk to manager?

I said, yes, I do. And on comes Barbara. Barbara comes on. Babs. And Babs, this is exactly what babs says yeah can i help you yeah we ordered a pizza they told me it's gonna be 30 minutes it's been an hour and 10 minutes we still don't have it yeah we're running behind well i know but but like we have to leave and and i was told it was going to be here i just told you we're running behind you know what what's your name my name is barbara okay bar. I just told you we're running behind. You know what? What's your name?

My name is Barbara. Okay, Barbara. This is how we're running this. This is how we're going to handle this problem today. I think I'd like a refund. Fine. I'll call the driver. Tell him not to bring your pizza.

Click. And I'm going to call me. Well, John. Not the best way to handle customer service in my opinion. But did they serve you six margaritas and tow your car? No, they did not serve me six margaritas. Let's keep things in perspective. I'd say Babs plus the N-word.

Now, okay, fine. Babs by herself. Babs by herself, John. Maybe just chalk one up. Yeah, they did not. They did not. Maybe not as bad as don't serve me six margaritas and tow my car. Maybe not that bad.

I'm not done with you, Chili's. You think I'm done with you. I'm going to come creeping up and just when you think you're safe, I'll be there. You trust me. John's like every NFL female fan right now. Six games, Deshaun Watson. Six games.

Six games? I heard that. Let me ask. Calvin Ridley got 17 for betting a $1,500 parlay on a team he didn't play for. Who was the receiver for the Browns for the weed smoking four years ago? Jarvis. Yeah, Jarvis Landry.

Jarvis Landry. Unbelievable. Tim, you watch football, NFL, follow that? Yeah, unfortunately on my side of it, every time there's an incident, I'm always getting the calls on some guy hitting his wife. 25 independent he just watches page six in tmz and kind of gets a full season well anyway this weekend other news uh you know i want to talk about something else without going fully into detail on it um but man i had an exercise in emotions all weekend i mean really

did we had a a situation with the company where somebody that had been with us for a long time, really close to my family, kind of did, made some decisions for them and that's fine. But the optics of it were somewhat treacherous in our view. And man, my instinct, you know, I try to follow the stoic thing and it's not, this story is not even about that. It's about this. So I try to go with the stoicism idea. And I try to be very level-headed about everything that I do. And I try to, you know, think about Marcus Aurelius and blah, blah, blah, whatever else. And, you know, this, I was fine about it until my wife got very upset about it.

And then I went to straight just laser beams coming out of my eyes, right? Looking for like out for vengeance. I did. And I spent the better part of the weekend fighting the need for vengeance and fighting the need to be calm, right? Very proud of myself. Did not really do anything on weekend, which was fine. And then last night, you know, it's been carried over all weekend, but last night I had a dream and it was a good dream. And this was the dream we talked about earlier. So I dream, I dreamed that I was in a house and it wasn't my house. and it was like kind of a weird kind of wood ceiling and there

were these cobwebs on the ceiling right and i couldn't get them down with anything else for some reason so i was like oh i got a blowtorch hang on hear me out hang on hear me out i was like i was like he had a nuclear missile i know but i'm like heat melts cobwebs so i'm like i light the blowtorch and i'm just kind of torching off the cobwebs and like there's some spiders i'm getting a nuke and i'm cleaning up i'm like oh this is great i'm cleaning all this up and all of a sudden i realized i've set my roof on fire yeah sure right and i woke up roofing company no 702 roofing no but i woke up but i woke up thinking man if i go if I go piss and vinegar at this, it's going to burn my whole house down. So I just woke up with it.

You know what? Just play to win. Play on an even field. Do the right thing. Do those things. And don't get sucked into the vitriol side of it. I woke up this morning in such a peaceful feeling because I felt like God had sent me that dream to be like, bro, don't burn your house down over this. It's such a, such a, such a peaceful feeling. Cause I felt like God had sent me that dream to be like, bro, don't burn your house down over this. It's not worth it.

It's never been, it was great. I know, but I just, I thought that was really good. I thought it was good. Much needed. I'm sure too much needed, much needed. So enough about all of this nonsense. If you're still with us, man, nine minutes deep. Thank you for staying. It's been great. Anyway, let's, uh, let's go over Tim. So Tim, first of all, let's talk about you. So tell me about your background, because again, I liked to, you know, you're a high-level entrepreneur, dude. You're a successful guy with what you do. And you took something kind of interesting, which was your martial arts and your background in self-defense, and turned it into a productive business. So you mixed, you kind of blended your passions with the finance side of things.

So I like that. So, again, we like to believe that success leaves clues. So tell me, where did you grow up? Let's talk about that first. Navy kid. So all over the place. Originally Boston, Massachusetts. That's where my family's from.

How many siblings? I have two. I have a younger brother and a younger sister. Okay. So we were moving every two to three years. And then dad was an officer in the Navy and went everywhere. So I was used to that.

And one thing I got to say about that is it gives me the ability to, from an entrepreneurial standpoint, I realize nothing's permanent and change is always there. And having to connect with people and stuff was really good. As a young kid, I didn't realize that. But I never – my wife and i talk about this all the time you know when she uh when she gets ready to move on from her position we're thinking about going overseas and stuff because uh you know we know how powerful that is for the kids i got to live overseas for a while um so that really helped not the uk though tim they will not be letting me in the uk what was your favorite place you live we're gonna get there uh i i really enjoy barcelona um i it's europe i've also spent time in venezuela uh and then um

funny enough london i went to school i went to school at lse for a year and uh yeah that won't that won't be won't go into the union there. Giving the valedictorian speech next year. The only problem is every friend I have when they go through London, I get barraged with photos, videos. Hey, all my favorite places. I was there two months ago. I should have. Oh, yeah. It's nonstop.

It's nonstop harassment. You're not missing a lot. Pretty bad. Pretty poor weather. Yeah. Food's still no good. Their best chefs leave and go get trained in France for a a very specific reason still no good food very true um so moved around yeah moved around and then last dad's last duty station was 32nd street in san diego right across the navy

housing we were in is right across over in coronado on nab coronado um we literally we lived in my backyard was a chain link fence there's a silver strand highway and then you looked right across and there was this huge obstacle course you can see the seal training course yeah we had no idea now you got to understand this is 80 uh 70 no 79 back then nobody knew about the seal teams and even though, you know, my dad was in Little Creek before, which is the other place, Damn Neck, you know, you've always heard of that, where the teams are. We kind of knew of them, but I had no idea what they did. Were they called SEALs then? Well, it was UDT SEALs. So underwater demolition teams.

They still had underwater demolition teams, and it was still called BUDS, Basic Underwater Demolition School. But there's the UDT teams. They're the traditional. Underwater demolition, yeah. And they support the fleet, and they're the guys that would go in and blow up all the. Jesse Ventura, yeah. Yeah, all that stuff.

They blow up everything before. America. Have the Marines land and do all that. But for me and my brother, we were like, oh, we got our own playground. And so we would ride our bikes, literally ride our bikes across the freaking freeway. Yeah, we'd go across the freeway.

Mom had no idea what we were doing. And then we figured that if we threw... Oh, the early 80s, late 70s. Mom didn't know what any of us were doing. You got a 12-year-old kid, you got a 12-year-old kid and a 11 and a half year old kid yeah you know i'm sorry a 10 and a half year old kid and we figured out if

we throw a rug over the bob wire we can get over and we start playing on the on the roster courses could you imagine if you did that nowadays so they start they you know they start kicking us off a couple of times and then they realize we're not getting rid of these kids. And so they let us hang out. Really? And I learned about this job. I was like, oh, my God, you get paid to jump out of airplanes, run around, wear these cool sunglasses. They were in the Varney's sunglasses back then.

Varney's. Yeah, Varney's. Oh, yeah, buddy. And shoot machine guns, blow stuff up. So then my dad thought it was pretty funny i was hanging out with the seals until i told him about this great weekend that i had where a couple of the guys told me hey come down you go down the beach you go down the beach and if this guy had i think about it now he every time they would they would blow up like c4 they'd grab a little bit and they'd keep it back in the team area and then on the weekends they'd go down and they just like they'd make little bombs and throw it so i'm

sitting there i'm like 12 years old learning how to take c4 and just blow stuff up this could be good for you when you're hunting humans thing called you could use this yeah we'll talk after do you have any more and how much is it so it was crazy and so i really enjoyed it so i was hooked you know this was it so my only the only deal my dad said was hey listen he goes you're gonna you're gonna get an education you know so i go rotc um i go to usc but the whole time i'm just immersed all i'm doing is prepping for buds you know the whole did you graduate from sc yeah graduate from sc um i might need a letter from you. I went, I think they'd take it from me.

I left out of their okay. Okay, all right, good. It's not the UK. I had a couple of incidents. Wait, this letter, is this from the UK guy? Yeah, exactly. No. Exactly.

Where that really comes into play is my wife. It's really funny. I come across the board every so often as a, you know, unbanned individual, which really works with Metro. So for those of you who don't know, his wife, Sasha, is what's the current job she has? She's a deputy chief of Homeland Security. Deputy chief of Homeland Security. Yes.

And I'm banned. There's three people banned from the UK. One of them was that guy who worked in Al Qaeda, cut people's heads off. Snoop Dogg. Snoop was for pop position. We'll get to you. And then there's me.

And then there's me. Oh my God. But what was really cool about that was, you know, talk about from a, from a, you know, entrepreneurial standpoint, absolutely ridiculous to think because they did not want back then which is crazy people think now back then the

navy did not want an officer candidate to go to the SEAL teams it was it was they were the red-headed stepchildren of the navy you know because they really didn't belong in the navy and uh there wasn't really a career path you know back then for those remarks yeah exactly that's how they tried they weren't they weren't officers they were mercs the unique thing about it was those guys the one thing i'll respect the fact that they weren't at that chance to ever become an admiral or anything like that when they ran missions a three-star could tell them well you go do this if the officer didn't think it was safe for his guys, he literally had the power to go, F you. We're not doing it.

And today, you can't even think of that. Now it's very political and everything. So anyways, I had to really fight. There were only two slots, 2,500 guys applied. We all looked the same on paper. And the one thing I knew from moving around and knowing from the Navy at that time I was like I got to leave everything on the floor how do I what do I do I had a buddy that was going to

school at American University in DC everything happens in DC that's where the detailer officers offices are so I flew to DC hung out with my buddy I had been everybody told me in the community because I didn't know guys in the community. They go, well, you got it. You got to handle Margaret, man.

Margaret's your gatekeeper. She had been there like 25 years. She ran every detailer. Detailer goes every two, three years. She did it. Right. So,

uh, so wait, were you in the Navy at this? Yeah. I'm in the Navy. I'm a, I'm an officer train. So I'm midshipman.

So I show him a little midshipman uniform uniform, and I send her flowers and do anything. I show up there, and she goes, listen. She goes, I can't promise you anything. She said, you can sit here. And she said, the guy's name is Commander Goulet. She goes, he may or may not see you. Now, this is on a Tuesday. I sat there three days in a smaller place like this,

not as comfortable as this, in my uniform like this, being ignored. Bud Fox style. Walking out, in and out the whole day, right? Like me and you at a bar when you're single. Same thing.

Yeah. Trust me, I did that for longer than three days. So I'm sitting there Friday, Friday at 4.55. And this is the Navy building, which is next to the Pentagon area. I'm sitting there and and I hear this,

and I go, you're still here? Why are you still on my couch? I go, I said, sir, I just wanted to talk to you. What could you possibly have to say to me? I said, sir, listen, I know you have a big decision. I said, I know everybody looks the same on paper. I just want you to know if you pick me, I will not quit.

He goes, that's it? That's what you said to me i go yes sir and he goes get out of my office so i leave man i'm dejected i think i really screwed up i'm walking down this ungodly long hall you know with just like the linoleum and everything and my head's down i'm kind of like oh man i blew it you know margaret kind of looked at me on the way out. Told you. And I get halfway down the place, and one of the guys who was a JG at the time, a Lieutenant JG, he runs down, and he goes, Larkin. And I turn around, and he goes, hey, man.

He goes, we couldn't do this to you. He goes, we just want you to know you had it Wednesday. We just wanted to see how long you'd stick around. Really? Yeah. Yeah, and so, you you know it's that whole idea the the just you know the one thing i teach my kids too is like take it to the next level you know go go where it was now listen i had to perform and it was interesting as i ended up getting injured you know like i blew my ears two weeks before i was graduating in but in but yeah yeah and uh i

had everything man i was the superstar because it was unfair because i'd been known since i was 12 years old what to do yeah so my guys we won hell week we did everything every hard evolution but i had bad ears um and i knew that going in you guys are gonna crack up i literally took my before i applied the navy gives you your medical records, physical medical records. Everything about my ears, I literally ripped out. And I handed it over in my packet, and they had no idea I had bad ears. I had small eustachian tubes.

There's no way. The thought of me being able to pressurize dive the way I have to is ridiculous. But I got all the way through until one of the last dives, and it blew my ears, and that was it. So I didn't get you i was going to seal back then i was going to seal team four so hang on a second so you had to drop you had to ring the bell you had to drop out no no no no it's called oh yeah yeah i mean i fought medically tooth and nail and they go listen if something happens you can come back so that's i mean that's i mean that's a big pivot point man because this is something you've been working for your whole life and all of a sudden it's it's yanked from you i thought

my life was over and but the cool the interesting part about it was you know when it comes to life and stuff it was the first time i mean i literally they beat the crap out of me nothing stopped me you know going through this was truly the first time i had an injury to my human to the human body that i couldn't overcome. My will meant nothing. It physically stopped me. And, of course, that became the theme of my life later on is the idea of exploiting injury to the human body for self-protection reasons. But back then, I thought, you know, I'm 21. I thought my life was over.

How long? I mean, did you go through a period of depression? Oh, yeah. So did they reassign you in the Navy? Did they leave you out of the Navy? What happened? I was super fortunate because they really liked me. They really liked me.

And they said, listen, you're staying in the community. We're going to send you to Intel School. And we want you to come back to Special Warfare Intelligence. Because they were expanding at the time. And they didn't want to waste a healthy body on Intel. So they said, hey, we can have this kid. He knows what we're up to. He goes, we'll train him up and bring him them back they put me on the most senior command when

i came back i worked directly for the admiral who controlled all those seal teams back at uh in coronado and i was literally surrounded by the legends of the seal teams berlin berlin wall's coming down and they know we got to change the way we do business you know they they predicted everything they predicted bosnia herzegovina all stuff. But the big thing was we had to change our training and we had to actually put hands on people again. And I had a martial arts background growing up, a judo, jujitsu, boxing. My grandfather was a big boxer and got me in early. Um, so they liked me. I had no business. They put this little pilot program together where all these senior enlisted guys that were on command, uh,

they, they decided, listen, we got to start looking for a new way of doing hand to hand combat. You know, then we, the last time they chained it was, uh,

Vietnam. So I'm on this pilot program. And the only reason they have me is because I'm pretty, I'm, I'm young. I got good martial arts background and I'm a meat puppet. You know, they can knock me around and have fun.

So we're doing this and we're literally seeing all the martial arts from all over the world and they're coming in and everything worked but it didn't work when we put our gear back on so that was a big thing so I end up uh I had really good relationships with the other groups because I was I was briefing everybody's person DEA I was working with Army I was working with everybody DA buddy calls up because a lot of stuff was going on if you know say narcos oh yeah yeah well that was all going on during that time and so i had a bunch of dea buddies and they got and they were training up for everything so my buddy calls me up he goes hey man he goes you guys still doing that punchy stuff you know because they were laughing at us we're doing hand-in-hand coffee it's not like the

ufc the ufc really hadn't taken off yet um and i go yeah asshole we did and he goes well listen there's this guy in pb he goes you might want to do me he goes he's a real he's a real asshole but you get along with assholes and and that's another thing people used to call me like the asshole whisperer because because what's something like that cost you that's's Chris's only fan. If you've got to ask, you can't afford it, buddy. That's how that works. Oh, you mean you could come unruly people?

Okay, I get it. What I found. I thought that was a verb. Well, what I found was. Takes me back to my prison days. That's the first time I thought about an OnlyFans account. That would be good. The asshole whisperer.

The asshole whisperer. I'm pretty sure that would already exist. I'm going to go ahead and take a guess. But what he meant by that was he said, hey, listen, you know, this guy's a difficult guy. Right. And what I found is people have the best knowledge when it comes to this kind of stuff. They don't suffer fools. They're not necessarily popular, meaning they're very effective.

You want them, but it's weird. When you look back at the history of martial arts, everybody talks about Miyamoto Musashi, the swordman. Killed 60, he wrote five wings. What they don't tell you is he was never sponsored he was the most effective swordsman his his way of teaching but because it was so straightforward and brutal he couldn't get any funding basically you know you had to have a patron to do that so his sword at the very end he had a guy that kind of helped him out but here's the most effective guy but because of his personality, because of who he was,

he wasn't acceptable. And I find that oftentimes is that in times of peace, when you don't need it, these people get pushed away because socially they're tough to be around sometimes. He was a true artist too, right? Yeah. A calligrapher.

Oh, yeah. He was sort of on his own level. Yeah. He just, he's probably half autistic in some ways. He's just like, why don't you understand how to murder people with a sword? I don't get his own level. Yeah. He just, he probably half autistic. In some ways, he's just like, why don't you understand how to murder people with a sword?

I don't get it. Yeah, he was, but he was so elegant in how he did it. You know, he was so like, he really understood

how to do it. Right now, somewhere, Yvette is listening to this Google and this guy's name to learn how to kill a cult with a sword.

That's what's happening right now. Five Rings is one of the best business books you can read too. What is it? Five Rings. Five Rings. Five there you go it's very it's very buddhist yeah it is and so there's a couple interpretations that really uh that we get a certain version of it uh it's very straightforward and you can you can extrapolate a lot of great information out of it um but he was very straightforward about what he did and same thing so i go to this place i show up and it's like this little dingy studio it's carpet not even you know mats i was gonna i think i thought maybe he's jerking my chance

so i'm about to leave it's not open but i see this little trifold and it talks about the instructor and the only thing that got me to go back was i knew my military history this guy had been to vietnam and he just said it just he didn't make a big deal out of he just said 173 charlie company and i almost like was stunned because these guys were literally left out in the jungle and they were like westmoreland special he wanted to see how long you keep people out there this This guy happened to be a tunnel rat. So he literally, because he's a little guy, he would go down with a.45 and a knife. A hand out thing, yeah.

Go into that. I mean, just, you know, so I said, listen, if nothing else, I said, I got to see who this is, you know. So I go in the next day, and I go to this training. And I got modified grooming standards at that time, meaning I have longer hair because a lot of what we're doing, sometimes I have to look like a civilian. So I looked like a typical san diego surfer when i walked in and i'm hanging out i'm watching and i see these kids now they're in regular geese but the first

thing i see a kid do with a yellow belt on and now i have three black belts at the time at this point and again i'm training with the teams i'm training with the steel team scene and i'm seeing some of the best martial artists in the world this kid comes in against another kid slams him on the side of the neck comb grabs his hair and out of nowhere comes a rubber knife and he has a kid over he needs him to the solar plexus and he starts stabbing him in the neck dropping him and going right into the next guy and i'm like shit wait this is what we're looking we've never seen anything what is this what are these guys hapkido or aikido or something what do they call it was so funny was that he was calling it kung fu at the time he was calling it kung fu and he trained with a guy in la that was

former triad guy and it's it's really interesting but he didn't do it like anybody else that does the type of kind of food. He was very straightforward about how to take people out. That was his big thing. But he did it in a very, he wasn't a brutal guy, but he was very, well, he was a brutal guy, but he wasn't, there was no chest bumping or anything like that. It was just about, hey, this is how you do it. You take him on, you want a little harder.

He would tell people, I remember guys would come in and say, you're going to teach me anything good. How do you kill somebody? Like this. Wham, wham, wham, wham. And people would freak out because they think they want that information, but they don't realize how easy it is to do to somebody, you know? And so you got to be careful what you ask for. Yeah.

Lesson learned, Colt. Tim, we got to be careful what we're teaching Colt. I just want you to understand, last podcast, he actually asked me asked me of course how much fun would it be to murder a human being i'm top three scariest guys you've ever seen right there just the fact you're bulgarian background well he's not that's not that's just scary i'm trying to i'm trying to just need a good nickname for him. Persona to be scary. Turquoise shirt. But I'll say this.

We'll take a little break from Milton. We're going to come back to it, but I just want to know. Because you would consider yourself a world-class athlete in martial arts at this time, correct? Oh, yeah. What were your backgrounds? So you, as someone that is a world-class athlete, can understand the amount of work it goes in to build a world-class athlete, correct? Yes. Okay, Colt, ask him. So in summer, winter Olympics, could you be an Olympian?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, him first. Okay. In summer, winter Olympics. In either one. In either one. Could you have been an Olympian at your best? At that time?

No. Okay. And you're a third-degree black belt. Okay. You ever ridden a horse? Actually, I have ridden a horse. Equestrian. So feel free to ask him.

Go get to it. Don't do this. What? I'm just saying I could be on the curling team and the equestrian team. Colt feels that he could be an Olympian inside of 12 months in either curling or equestrian because the horse does all the work. That is the craziest thing. Now that I know Tim, maybe I could go to judo.

12 months, Tim. Pick it up in 12 months. All right, okay. Rhonda Rousey. Enough of your nonsense. Enough of your complete nonsense. What were your black belts in?

Did you have a? Judo. I did judo, tungsoo-do, and taekwondo. So is tungsoo-do a karate? That was always available. Yeah.

Tungsoo-do is a Korean karate. It's a karate, right? Yeah. And taekwondo. And taekwondo, same thing. And then judo. Judo was very practical. And then boxing.

We did that. The Marines taught us judo and boxing. Yeah. And that was the only thing that was available. Basically, anything that was on any base, it was where I got my training as a Navy kid. And it was great. I loved it. It was really fun. But I thought, well, the other thing, too, that I learned moving around, Boston, my great-grandfather ran liquor with Joe Kennedy.

My grandmother denied that. Denied that to her dying day. He had a bunch of pool halls. My grandfather was a jazz musician, took it legit. And then he got insurance and real estate. Nice. So he was doing that, but he still had that edge. And he taught me and my cousins how to box. It was one of the first things we ever did. But he still had that edge and he taught all me and my cousins how

to box it was one of the first things we ever did but he said something to me that lasted and again this is what the guy i talked to same thing he would tell us he goes boys these are the rules when you're in the ring blah blah and we're in the basement doing that but then he'd point to the window in the basement he go but if you're out there he goes no you do this you do that you know he knew there was a definitely different between a sport application and what happens in the street because he'd seen it. And it was really interesting. As a young kid, we didn't really understand what he was saying, but it all resonated later on and stuff. So you go back to that.

Let's go back to the gym. I'll talk about the guy in the elevator belt that was killing people with a rubber knife. Yeah. So I see that. I see that. And again, I'm used to these huge egos that I'm dealing with. These guys. Me too.

God, it's exhausting. They're on Black Belt Magazine. It's not an ego if it's true. Oh, yeah. And they're getting all the accolades. Again, this is all pre-USC. But it's around the time of Kickboxer. I just want to say that.

Yeah. Jean-Claude Van Damme's around at that time you know sasha's it was in uh kickboxer four what oh yeah i gotta get you the really i gotta get you the clip it's great oh my god that's your wife right yes yeah she uh she's a fourth uh fourth degree in kempa how'd you meet her i met her in yoga really yeah dude sasha dude his his wife if if you've never met her, she is nice. She's super, super nice. But the way she presents herself when she's out socially, you would never know. No idea. But it's in that.

No, like you, dude. I see you coming from like a mile away. You would never know. Never. Like you would fight her in celebrity boxing or something, Colt, and she would just murder you. But don't you find most people never like you would fight her in celebrity boxing or something colt and she would just murder you but don't you find most people are willing to do that that would be great most people that truly like study that or have gone down that yeah you know they uh you never see it coming from them that's why i always tell people don't mess with people in bars because i'm

sure how many never know how many people have gone up to you trying to fight you. Well, that's why I laugh about that all the time. People say, yeah, I look the part. I get it. I look the part. But that'll bring it on. I'm not the guy.

Yeah, and I tell people that all the time. I go, but I'm not the guy you got to worry about. The guy I always have to worry about is he's usually anywhere from 5'6 to 5'8, 145 to 165 pounds, nondescript. And while the knucklehead like me is there flexing around, yelling at people and stuff that everybody thinks you've got to worry about, he's the one that's quietly sipping his beer, slipping the knife out and just ready. Oh, boy. ready oh boy and uh one thing that got me my brother my brother was a big dude and he used to be a bouncer in san diego uh in mission mission beach when it was mission beach and

it's just a biker place it was there and the place that he bounced at was uh jose murphy's and jose's murphy's was the mongols and then and the angels would show up on the weekends and stuff and they're regularly stuff going on i'm there one night and i take all my seal buddies over there we just had a great time that live music it was it was a fun dive bar um but the bouncers were amazing they would have to be this one guy mike he's he's as tall as john but he's 280 280 and just ripped and he was great he was also very good he understood human nature and usually every night john you know you know mike wouldn't do this there's a little guy sitting at the bar just having a beer it's closing it's two o'clock closing time and mike's tired as hell you know

it's been a long weekend he's telling everybody to drink up and go well this guy's not really paying attention and he's just kind of drinking his beer and mike takes his in front that this guy isn't moving fast enough so he says to him he goes hey i told you to drink yeah i told you to stop right now he goes oh i'm just finishing up like that he goes i told you now and he just kind of throws his hand out hits the guy in the chest guy goes over slaps up boom mike stands over him you know on here this guy's calculation must have been 280 ripped the shit he bounced or nah not happening today the knife came out the achilles got cut came up cut the inside and the femoral oh and he walked

right out the door before any of us knew before any of us knew even what happened he literally you could tell not the first guy at time this guy's done yeah totally calm exactly where to go he knew what to do and it came out quickly and to this day mike you know still still wimps and stuff he you know he's older now but it's been my wife but it was just but it was just it was one of those moments where it was just such a teachable moment for me you know what i'm still a young guy at this time and you just realize man i'm always polite to everybody i treat i tell people all the time like you know, I treat everybody like they're six seconds away from a shooting spree,

and do I want to be the guy to trigger them? Meaning with people you don't know, if you approach it from that aspect, it's just an amazing way to just keep yourself out of trouble. Well, the number one thing that gets people in trouble is not being prepared for that guy who's going to start hitting you first. I don't care if it's your mother. If walks up to you hits you first yeah multiple times i don't care who she is what size it is the human body isn't supposed to get punched that often right and when you're not expecting if you're expecting it there's this thing that happens right but if you're not you're just standing there some guy hits you twice i mean you're going you're in big trouble so that's most people freeze because they're not i didn't expect such a interrupt you know uh to them and so yeah and so

you learn a lot you know i tell people at this stage you're training people in in how to protect themselves and everything the majority what i train people in really is understanding human nature it really is like uh robert, I'm going to be interviewing him, uh, in two weeks. And his book, the laws of human nature, I think is 48 laws of power.

Well, 48 laws of power. This is great. We have been through that book on this and Colts like Machiavellian. Can I come and meet this guy? Yeah, I love it. That's amazing.

I think it'll be a zoom that we're doing. Um, man, that was my favorite. That was your favorite episode. That was your favorite episode. Yeah, that was your favorite episode. I love that. His latest, his latest, Laws of Human Nature, I think this is his opus.

Really? Because it takes 48 laws of power, and then it just applies it to the whole human race. So five rings, and five rings. May I have a Musashi? And now what's the new one? The new one's Laws of Human Nature. Laws of Human Nature. So those need to go on the reading list

if you're picking it up. And they're excellent for negotiation. You know, some of the things I love about this show is we always come up with stuff people should read. I love that. Yeah, but the most interesting people in the world,

though, the ones that I like to speak to the most are like walking legs with books on them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If you're well read, read particularly because there's a thought process that goes on to sit with a book even an audio book there's something about

it like you can watch news you can watch clips but there's nothing more in depth than you know a book yeah it goes into detail like right now i was just um in a car for 12 hours so i got the river of doubt that one um about uh teddy roose Roosevelt's trip down the Amazonian River. Oh, yeah. I saw a review on that. Holy shit. Wow. When you think about things like this, you get to be immersive.

You put yourself in there, and you're thinking about things as it's being told to you. I think your brain starts doing this thing where it spreads out more than just linear information. That's what I think books are valuable for. I think books are really good that way and it's it's funny because as a kid when you're forced to read stuff it's the worst thing ever they say reading is like anal sex if you're forced to do it as a kid you're not going to like it as an adult i came out of nowhere that wasn't my joke. It wasn't my joke. Tim, how did you end up in the UK? Oh, jeez. Oh, man. It wasn't my quote.

Yeah, that's not. JFK quote? Was that a famous JFK quote? I think it was Lincoln. I just added that one. That's awesome. Brought to you by our sponsor, The Asshole Whisperer. There you go.

Right now on OnlyFans. See, Tim? So did you go after your government work and just start consulting? Yeah, so I started working. So the guy that I found, actually, that guy I told you about, the actual instructor was the guy that I brought to the team compound. And they knew. I didn't bring him right away.

You've got to understand. Here I am, this guy, blows his ears and buds. I got no credibility whatsoever. You know, they like me. Right. But, you know, I'm talking, these guys are legends, you know, at the time. Yeah. And the only reason I did it was because they noticed I started to train differently.

We trained like three or four times a week. And I remember Master Chief Hayden at the time, Roger Hayden, great guy. He came up to me. He goes, what are you doing? Well, he goes, you're moving different. guy. He came up to me. He goes, what are you doing? Well, he goes, you're moving different. He goes, you're doing stuff. He goes, this is not stuff we've been training. What are you getting?

Well, I've been training with this guy. Who have you been training with? You know, the whole thing. Right, right. And so then they find me. And you didn't bring him in here. I go, well, Master Chief, I didn't know, you know? Right.

So I bring this guy in. And like I said, he's former Army and everything. The only problem is he thinks lifers are worthless. And in particular any and in particular he doesn't like the seals right because he thinks they're overrated right you know and he's in there but what was really interesting was i bring him in it was kind of like the whole old maxwell smart thing i brought him into the skiff you know which is a the compartmentalized area and they were going to talk about the programs and everything they had his dd214 there they had his whole record they knew they vetted him ahead of time so they knew who he was man there was a camaraderie right away and what was interesting was everybody else we brought in was talking about punching kicking

moving first question they asked him from a tactical standpoint was tactical and it was about a seal team six boarding ship boarding incident that had happened where they had gone to go through the first hatch the first door to get into the control room and they had been jacked up one of the guys one of the bad guys had jacked up the second guy in the line going in and everybody else is is held out they can't get past it and the number one man is fighting for his life you know he's in there you know shooting everybody and they hadn't in six years nobody had come up with how to deal with it my guy sits there looks at it lines everybody up right away doesn't even know he doesn't know the nomenclature of the latest weapons and everything but he lines everybody up replicates the same thing the guy the guy comes up playing the bad guy jacks the guy exactly as this guy had been jacked up and held up and jerry looks at him he tells he points at the guy he goes lie back and sit down guy lies

back sits down and it pulls the guy off but the weapon goes center line on him so think about it like if somebody is sitting there and we use this on retention for your free weapon if somebody grabs your weapon if i sit down and pull and this guy's holding on the weapon it goes center line every time so not only did the rest of the team be able to go in right away but the guy that was wrestling with him he's on target and takes him out like that had nothing to do with punching and kicking had nothing and that's why i tried to tell people when we did this it wasn't this guy didn't get the contract for you know impressive martial arts it was because tactically he knew he knew how to kill he understood what the deal

was and so he immediately got a pilot program we got in we're training so i'm great you know we're everything's going great uh having fun i become an instructor in the military we do these amazing classes out at san clemente island we're 30 days out there each time and just immersing ourselves in this and this guy was great. He just brought in all his Vietnam background and the guys loved him. It was really fun. But I'm going to get out because this is right after Gulf War I.

We'd done Panama, Gulf War I. And then what people forget is there was this lull and everybody started getting out in the military because they were like, you know, doing pizza delivery to Haiti and stuff. It was just like nobody wanted to, everybody's getting out. You're Bosnia. Yeah, so I get out.

A couple years later. So I get out, and I'm going to Wall Street. My degree was international business from SC, and I'd done a year in London overseas, and so I'm going, okay, yeah, I'll go. My buddy had a place for me. I was going to go to, I think, did you retire military I I we didn't retire you uh I was in the reserves so I stayed in the reserves but you know that's a that's a easy commitment and um really cool unit

in the reserves uh that I did an intel unit but um so I'm thinking okay I'm gonna take six months off before I go I'm just gonna add money you know let's set aside i was just gonna kick back and do some stuff so my the the instructor the guy there he starts getting contracts so everybody finds out seals training with this guy and then he wants to go to the brag and just do the tour you know and everybody wants them and then corporate groups are calling them because a lot of the guys get out and they go corporate security and so all of a sudden exxon's calling us and everything and jerry's like hey i that's not me i don't know how to negotiate with

these guys can you help me out with it for a little bit so six months turned into 12 years and dude i had a career like i it had nothing to do with money you know because you know i made okay money but we did i had access to the people, and we met CEOs and celebrities and all these other people. A traditional career, I never would have had this. Even a traditional career in the military. We got to get to England. Right now, I just feel it. Somebody's in their car listening to this,

and they're like, can we get to the damn England story? What about the John Wick shooting training? Yeah, let's get to the damn angling story so what the john wick shooting training yeah that's actually pretty funny um i said i was gonna come join you i go i train with this guy and we're together 12 years and then he basically yeah his ego got out of control and uh unfortunately everybody you know he kind of isolated everybody you know on that and so which again he's a functioning sociopath i mean you know he he kind of isolated everybody, you know, on that. And so, which, again, he was a functioning sociopath. I mean, you know, he was there. He'd seen some things, though.

It was good. Yeah. Oh, no, he was great. I am thankful every day I met him and everything. But it went its course. And then I went off and I was going to, again, get back in the business world. All of a sudden, I started getting calls from everybody because he's not training anybody. He's not returning any of his calls and stuff.

So I start training again. So I end up taking a lot of my old instructors a lot of my old uh military guys came back and we all started you know really doing a great business and it was fun and this time we had no constraints we could we could train because jerry would always try to constrain stuff so it got really popular i started training internationally um and london was an obvious place for me to go because i had a lot of contacts over there so i trained their special forces their military the police plus i started doing civilian training so i started getting known i started getting interviewed over there i became like

way more in the media over there than i ever was over here um so i'm on numerous shows and in 2006 i did a show and they had knife crime starting there uh place i was trained this place called slough and you and and just real quick i just gotta show you guys this that's tim on the old cover of uh a black belt magazine you can't see this from the podcast i don't maybe zoom in on that i don't know but uh cover a black belt magazine looking with the knife yeah the best the best part about that is i love that picture picture. That picture. I'm sitting there. We're doing all these other lines. This needs to be like your Facebook profile.

Like, hey, how you doing? I'm showing everything in the last pic. The guy goes, hey, you know, I need something with a knife. Will you just hold the knife like this? And I'm going, I'd never hold a knife like this. Yeah, what kind of- And he goes, oh. And I take a sit and I look at my buddy and I go, that's the fucking pic that I'm going to use.

That's the one they're going to use. That's what they use, you know? You look kind of like one of the guys that they're going to tee up steven seagal to win even though you even though you have to be like exactly what do you look like exactly what he looks like you know he's gonna lose yeah henchman number seven exactly up henchmen okay send in handsome henchmen just drop just drop you know yeah and no talking because you'll get a sad card he's gonna throw me over him for some reason

so i do this round table where they bring me in as like the crazy american you know um but i get the head of metropolitan police a rabbi uh former um former head of uh of uh the mi6 the bombies and at the end everybody agrees with my approach they say it's same social you know same you know in there it's really relevant except the mp from slough right so her name is rosie something anyways i go back into the green room and she's sitting with another mp friend of hers woman so i shake hands with both of them you know then 2011 they have the riots in london okay so fast forward you know i've been training this whole time never had even a parking ticket over there and i get called i'm here in vegas and i get called for uh interviews and so bbc

interviews me and everybody and everybody, and the next day, the last question the BBC interviewer asked me was, hey, you've been coming here for a long time. You have a lot of clients. Did you have any clients in the riot affected areas?

And I said, well, yes. And my whole premise was, hey, it's time for the UK to look at their self-defense laws. They have to change. You know, it's obvious they have to change.

And I said, yes, I do have clients in the affected area. Have you been, do anyone have to change you know it's obvious they have to change and i said yes i do i do have clients in the effect area have you been do anyone want to you know you know show you the areas and i said yeah and my whole thing is i train people basically to recognize the potentiality for violence and when you do you can get yourself out of there so you don't have to act right you know that's my whole thing you know worst case scenario violence is the answer yeah so so boom so they were going to show me hey tim, Tim, I recognized A, B, and C. I got myself out of there type thing. That's all it was.

Everybody reports it legit except the mirror. The mirror is kind of like a- Yeah, the rag. It's a rag. It's the sun or whatever. Or the New York whatever. Yeah, on page six of it. Page six.

Same page. Big headline. Larkin to lead riot tour. And they said I was going to go around rabble rousing. They called me a vigilante. Like I was going to encourage riot tour and they said I was gonna go around rabble-rousing they called me vigilante like I was gonna encourage vigilantes we all dismissed it my guys over there dismissed it everything boom MP from Slough sends it right guess who her buddy was that I sat next to Steven Seagal Theresa May oh no I'm sorry Theresa May who then was the prime minister well at that time she was the home secretary

right boom sends it to her and she goes we gotta get rid of this guy and issues an immediate travel ban on me right away because they know

I'm coming over but I'm not coming over until the following May right and so they issue this travel ban and they say it's supposed to happen

right I never hear anything so I go I'm going this is the year I won I was inducted to black belt hall of fame i was going to speak in birmingham at a huge martial arts european martial arts conference

me and randy couture were the two uh keynote speakers at that time huge thing that they're bringing me over for right i go i show up at the virgin counter at mccarran at the old at the old old place before they had terminal three um and i show up and it's always the four o'clock flight to london is always like packed and you know you got bodies coming in everything so i hand over my docs to the to the virgin um attendant and i noticed she's starting to stall you know like usually it's a quick boom boom you go right now she's stalling and then i I hear this, Mr. Larkin. And I turn around. And this guy, all he needed was the bowler hat and the umbrellas.

He had the three-piece suit. He was your total British admin guy. And he's from the Border Defense Agency, which is their Homeland Security. And he said, I'm presenting you this letter from the Home Secretary. He goes, you are banned from traveling to the UK. He goes, you will not be boarding this flight. And he hands me the letter, right? And I'm like, shit, you know?

Tell me you have that framed. Oh, yeah, I do. It was like the party of the Red Sea. All of a sudden, I go from body zombie to, who's this Irish terrorist? Yeah, I was going to gonna say it's because of lark and they're still mad about belfast oh my uh my my uh my irish uh relatives are just loving it they think it's great that i'm banned um they're like that fucking brits anyway so i go we go to

fight it right and uh here here's what here's how how bad it was. You have 90 days, it says the letter. Now, the letter's dated December. Okay? And this is May. And they're saying that, you know, you had 90 days from December to contest. And we're like, wait a minute. If you guys were so sure that you had informed me,

why did you fly somebody 6,000 miles to Vegas to personally give give this letter? You know, and it was like, they didn't handle that. But the UK is such that it's not like if it was here in the US, we could have done something. But their rules are very vague. And the best part of the thing is it says, at the very end, it says, this will be reviewed every three to five years. And what do you mean three to five years? You're doing three to five on the UK? Yeah, I have no idea. And didn't still like that right now people don't realize certain laws there like they don't change america for all its warts like does a lot of things right when it comes to certain things yeah like canada

has um laws right hate crime laws yes specifically and you know not just the bill c31 you heard about and all this stuff but there's some of these laws that are very top-down because they're parliamentary and it's different. It's similar but different. People don't realize it. There's certain things where I can't – like the COVID things. They had just different police powers. They had different ways of pursuing different things. I think that's where a lot of Americans become ignorant, right?

Like the whole Britney Griner. Like why are you going into somewhere with marijuana right like just i think we think everything's uh whatever it's another country or it's the same right and it's just not they can screw with you as much as you want well she's probably had that's an interesting situation because she'd probably gone over there but she's done with it but here's the thing how many people are sitting in american cages for the exact same crime that's one of my favorite memes people going that guy who's all mad. Why do you care about somebody in Russia

who went to Russia and did that? You know, you got people sitting in cages here. No, I get it. So, Tim, are you still training people? Is that, I mean, wait, so, but you've partly, they're still doing trainings. Yeah. Is it more individuals?

Are you still doing? It's mostly, so I would say 20% of the biz is professionals, military law enforcement. And they're fun to do. They're great. A lot of them don't have the time or budget anymore, though.

Do you ever do MVP? The merging vets and players at Couture's gym. You just mentioned Randy. Oh, no. So at Couture, I do jujitsu with the MVP guys on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Oh, okay. It's called merging vets and players. It's where you take people with the MVP guys on Tuesdays and Thursdays. It's called Merging Vets and Players. It's where you take people with UFC guys, and they bring a lot of military. So it's a free class at 8 in the morning on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And there's a lot of military vets that don't have a lot of money. So they train for free. They don't have to worry about the gym fees. That's cool.

And Randy and Ryan and Couture let them. If you know anybody out there in Vegas that is a vet that doesn't have a lot of money and wants to train MMA, whatever. It's getting people into jiu-jitsu, right? It just so happens that everybody that comes is an MVP person because the MVP program has other times as well. I like that. It's really amazing.

That's really cool. We've done a lot of training of vets. In my other business, of course, I have all vets that do it for the machine gun range and stuff um it's great that that guys are doing that you know it's so important that they do especially the guys that are injured i know a lot of guys that are disabled and they're still able to get out there and do you know athletic stuff which is awesome some guys i train with they wear shoes like um this one guy tim he's great he's a ceo he does the training for the ceos up in high desert but he he has to wear boots because his feet are just destroyed yeah another guy um has

a full has a hundred percent um fusion wow in his spine all these guys that some of them have taken ieds yeah some of them have taken you know they'll be telling me after class like oh yeah that one this one time i had a you know a flashback in the grocery store like they're going through all these things right because they've been hit by ieds and they've had they've all served they've all been overseas some of them multiple times yeah and um and they're all they're training jiu jitsu and it's really cool because these guys who have every excuse not to be there are there right they're there you know having my heavy ass laying on them trying to break their spine again why did i immediately feel sorry for your

wife just as soon as you said that was the only reason there's plenty of reasons that's a good point that's a good point um so tim if they people want to find you they want to work with you want it they want to how do they find you probably use this way to go it's just good tim larkin.com tim larkin yeah i got a lot of free information because like here you get some cool stuff not just the general training yeah like because we're talking about the john wick thing yeah are you still doing that yeah well we got so i have a lot of guys that are former like uh team six guys and in groups like that and we take people out and train we have machine guns vegas but then we also have a tactical ranch yeah and so that's where we do a lot of a lot of the training and so it's all all great spec ops guys and what i want to make clear to everybody is you know sometimes people

think oh well i can't i'm not good enough to train with special operations guys these guys are the best meaning they will take a beginner and just just take you right through the great training you don't waste any time i feel like we need to go do this i think we are the other thing that's cool too is if you know if you're doing something, if you're going to be caring for CCW, you want to have somebody that's been in situations time and time and time again. And they're very aware of the self-defense rules and all that, but they also understand what it takes to do that. And they're the first guys to teach you to walk away.

And that's just invaluable. Did you hear that Jocko Willink quote? Which one? You talk about seals. You talk about a really famous seal guy who's a jiu-jitsu stud and whatever. He goes, he's talking about self-defense. People are talking, I want a box for self-defense. He's like, why do you need the box for self-defense? If no one's grabbing you, just leave.

He's like, the only self-defense you need to know is jiu-jitsu because you now have your hands on me and you're preventing me from going somewhere and that's kind of an interesting thing where a guy like that is total stud yeah rip your arms out he's going you want to dance and box with me i'm just going to leave i'm not fighting you this isn't a military operation right i'm not i'm not going to get no bar fight with you just because your hands are up you square up i'm just going to leave yeah safely until you have your hands on me i'm hoping i'm hoping to get him on um that's the other thing john if people want to check on my pod my well my youtube channel promote away i've got well the only reason i'm saying i've got some

really unique people i've got guys like i i just interviewed a head of the former uh former head of the arian brotherhood who just got out totally reformed his life but he gives very realistic uh information about what it's like to be in such a petri dish of violence and how they operate and there's a lot of good lessons there um another guy from the mexican mafia which he was taken by a ypo in la uh to uh to it to talk to them about how do you build a a an organization hey well integrated. These leaders are locked up 23 hours out of the day, yet they run tens of thousands of people.

It's just crazy when you're thinking how they do it. And YPO was just like, hey, you want to know how to run your organization? The guy who can run it from the clink. It ended up getting the sheriff's department so much trouble. Screw Tim Ferriss with his four-hour work week. This dude's doing half an hour a day. That's it. department so much and screw screw tim screw tim ferris with his four-hour work week

he's got half an hour to pull it all off buddy that's it that's good stuff all right well tim yep check out timtharkin.com thanks as we're gonna end the show as we started doing it now as we've as which is gonna become a ritual on the show yeah which is which tim will be indoctrinated which is oh i didn't mean toinated now which is oh i didn't mean to do that which is five i didn't do that can't laughter five minutes into colts five questions into colts i forgot about this five questions into the mind of colts you ready tim here we go into the mind of colt you ready colt i'm not ready here we go ready question one what's the biggest lie you once to believe was true? That could be my question.

That's fair. That's fair. I'll take that. All right. Question two. Do you know why your sister ruined it for me? I've never had my dreams crushed as your sister thrown out. So his sister calls in pretending to be Bruce Spring bruce springsteen's daughter who's a gold medalist equestrian rider and just takes a strip off him just absolutely barbecued him at

the end of it he's like oh my god i'm so wrong and start laughing it's like ah this has been all right question two what is the main thing that influences your decisions this we gotta know that influences your decisions. This week, I don't know. That influences my decision. Yes. Will piss people off. Yes. But I don't mean that like, oh, I'm afraid to piss people off. It's like,

is this going to piss people off? Sure. I might do it even more. I'm in. And will Yvette beat you for this? That needs to be it. Is my wife going to leave me? Those are two main things. Will this piss people off? My wife's probably related

to that Mexican mafia guy. No, she probably really is. If you had to lose one of your five senses, which would you give up? Oh, smell, for sure. But that's also taste. And why? People smell, man.

You ever hold your breath when you walk by people just based off of what they look like? Colt, I've been to 47 countries. Not all of them. That's prejudging people. Oh, I judge the shit out of you. If you see me go like this, when I walk by you, you look like you stink.

That's great. What else would you want? Hearing would suck to lose. Eyesight would be the worst. But taste would be probably a healthier thing to lose. No, I like food. Yeah, but I'm saying, right? If you did.

Well, it'd be healthier. Yeah, because you eat just nothing but. Smell, man. Smells good. People. Last question. Name something on your to-do list that never gets old on my to-do list i'm sorry name something no not never gets old name something on your to-do list that never gets done not old sorry never gets oh um cold calling yeah i gave up that years was it cold calling it's always on the to-do list yeah no you know

it's so funny you bring that up it was in my calendar up till probably a year ago it's been 20 years guys it's not gonna happen yeah not gonna yeah every day cold call pops up i got an hour to do shit let's go it's like Facebook allows you to do this thing when you have a time limit on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't on my phone through it and you just go ignore for today. Just get used to hitting that ignore button.

It's just, it's just a really one more chore. You have to do more thing. Tim, why are we going to go train? I need a, yes, I think that I think I have the full tactical experience.

Go get your CCW first. I have a dream all the time that I'm going to be stuck on a mountain with somebody I don't like and get a hunt in. And now I'm kind of wanting it not to have no weapons. I just want to be able to track them down, rub some deer piss on me so they don't smell me, and I jump out in bare hands. You know deer piss isn't good for humans, right? I don't know.

I saw it on a movie. A person would smell the deer piss. They'd be like, wait, is there a deer around? They'd stall just enough for me to get my hands on them, Tim. Let's do it. You're the secret yellow belt that was stabbing guys in the leg. That's it. No, but dude, I do want to go do the tactical thing.

I think I'm going to say I love it. I love it. All right, cool. We'll check it out again. Tim Larkin dot com. If you want to, for some reason, follow Colt Colt, how do they find you? Colt underscore underscore Amadon Colt underscore Amadon and the counselor. How can they find you for all of their legal needs?

Connell Law on Facebook, Connell Law LV Instagram. And my number is 702 Connell. So you should be able to remember that pretty easily. Yeah, 702 Connell. Unless you don't know if it's spelled with two N's, two L's. There's seven letters. I'm sure you'll figure it out. That's like a wordle, though.

Do you really want to give people a wordle for your legal phone number? I think, you know what? The way I always you know what here's what's easy for me every single billboard in this in this city is owned by a company called connell and they don't own 702 connell i do so i constantly so there'll be lawyers advertising meanwhile it's my name maybe remember 702 connell it's a strong move well thanks for coming in guys and remember if you're gonna move man move forward see you next week hey it's john gafford if you want to catch up more and see what we're doing you can always go to thejohngafford.com where we'll share any links that we've things we talked about on the show

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