Every Single Album - 'Addison' | Every Single Album: Addison Rae

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Nora and Nathan talk about 'Addison,' the debut album from Addison Rae (or is it just Addison now?). They talk about how getting her start on TikTok has shaped her career (1:00), if Charli XCX's endorsement of her helped people start taking her seriously (29:00), and whether or not any of the songs off of this album are contenders for song of the summer (39:44).  Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to every single album. I'm Nora Pinciotti. And as always, I am joined by Nathan Hubbard. He is a winner and he loves the game. We are here today to talk about Addison, the new album from Addison, as she has renamed herself, though likely known to more people still as Addison Ray.

And so we're going to dive into that. But first, Nathan, this is the first time that we have convened on these very microphones, since it wasn't just the two of us. We were talking to Miley Cyrus. And I feel like we need to do a little bit of a breakdown because we just simply had so much fun talking to Miley for two and a half hours last week.

We did. We would have talked for three and a half, except her team, I don't know. I guess she had other things to do that day. Who knew? She had to go to the Chanel brunch. Oh, as one does. Our invite did not come through on that.

I guess. We were not, no, we were not invited to the Chanel brunch. That's actually, I don't think she had to go to

the Chanel brunch right after. If you recall when you were like, should you talk about that in therapy? And she was like, I don't have time this week.

I have to go to the Chanel brunch. Oh, right, right, right. It really was for me, one of the high points in addition to when she dunked on that 11-year-old. There was a lot of stuff. I mean,

as we were debriefing over text afterwards with producer Kaya trying to figure out, like, what might be some moments that we could video clip. There were a lot. There were quite a few. And I feel like I keep remembering more and more and more. Or I'll see something aggregated and be like, like, I had forgotten about her talking about during dead pets, calling all the drugs, vintage clothing in the line items on the budget.

And then I saw it aggregated. And I was like, oh, yeah, that was crazy. That was an incredible story. It was like, when we walked out of that room, I immediately sprung a splitting headache. Yeah, you did. It was like adrenaline. Like the adrenaline had gone away because she was just, she really was like a very charismatic presence. And all of a sudden, I think my body was like, the Miley Cyrus is gone.

What's happening? We took no breaks. You forced me to stop asking her a question for 15 seconds. for her to sip her sparkling water or something? Yes. Yes. You were like, shut up, let her drink for a second. I think we edited that out. Let her have a glass of water.

Let her just take a moment. And I was like, oh, oh, yeah, there were no bio breaks. There was nothing. I mean, it just went. And it went because she had notes. I mean, she walked in and that she opened the podcast. Again, first of all, we didn't even, it was a total just cold start where she cold open,

where she sat down and just started going. She's like, you know, I wanted to be on this podcast. Well, that's why we were, I was like about to stop her and be like, Miley, like, don't worry. I'll intro the show and introduce you and we can get started. And then she was like, I asked to be here. And I was like, okay, well, we're just starting because I'm not letting that get cut. No.

And we did just start. But there was this, she just drifted in. She just like all of a sudden came through. Like, she has it, first of all, my girl travels with an, entourage. Definitely an entourage. A very nice entourage. She's got a lovely group of people around her, but it is an entourage. She got a photographer who's there making sure she gets shot right. She's got the glam folks were there. She's got people dealing with it all. And they're just all in the slipstream. But she comes in. And yes, she is one of those human beings that just radiates.

like I've been around Beyonce a couple times and there is like this force field around that woman that just like and I don't know that that Miley just came in first of all she I don't know

did you think she was taller? No she was aptly sized I know that you did she was like roughly myly sized in my imagination you did think that she was taller you thought that she was going to be taller but that's always true of celebrities

yeah Well, it's not because I'm still scarred by my Taylor Swift. Okay, but Taylor Swift is like notoriously tall. She is very tall. She just keeps taking pictures at rando weddings, too, with normal-sized people. Well, and she also, even though she's really tall, naturally, she also wears like a six-inch platform heel. Well, and that's why it's great that she's with Travis

because they look like a normal couple, but then you put them in a rando wedding, and it's like, who brought the gigantes? I know there was that one selfie of them where I think the bride is in the photo, but it looks like she's like falling or something because her face is so much lower than their faces. She's like looking up.

It's like when somebody takes a picture and there's a baby swaddled in someone's arms and it's like at a different plane of existence. Who brought the pet giants? Anyway, Miley just sort of came in and she was in some sort of cape. I mean, she looked like she'd come. straight off the set of the Matrix.

Because she was wearing like a full, glammed up, ready to hit the club outfit. She had a stiletto with like a metal spike heel. She had tights. I did not notice this, of course. She was wearing like tights and like leather hot pants, basically and a kind of like boostier top.

So like it's a lot of luck. But then I think like as makes sense if you're someone who like my Cyrus is to be prepared to do stuff where you want to be in your full fit, but also wants to be able to move through the world a little bit. She then just had a big black coat, like full coat on. Trinity from the matrix. Yeah, no, I mean, I guess it did have a little bit of that look, but she wasn't wearing sunglasses. So I, you know. No. But she just has an energy, right, that is constant. And she sort of kept joking about various potential. conditions that she has. But to me, she's just like a high energy. I mean, she just, she can,

she can gab forever. And she has been on this album. And it just seems to just like flow out of her. And she's just, she's just doing that. She's gabbing. Because the thing that ended up really striking me and like, look, I will sort of ride for Miley forever because she was just so amazing to talk to and because I think she's backed it up. But I really can't say, that I've been around someone who's lived a lot of their life in the public eye, who seems to have not turned that experience of just constantly being perceived into a sense of having like an armor that's constantly a little bit deployed. Like I think most people, and I don't even think this is a bad thing. I think it's a necessary thing for a lot of people.

If you have been famous for a long time and you just have that experience of being perceived constantly, you know, correctly or incorrectly at basically all times, I think most people develop a certain defensiveness based on that, develop a certain people don't really understand me or like, oh, so much that's out there about me is wrong. and it's not that she wouldn't say that things that are out there are wrong if they were wrong. Like she's very happy to correct the record. I just didn't get a shred of that kind of, oh, well, people are out to get me, so I have to be careful about what I do and say energy, which I just think is really, really common and understandably so of anyone who has lived in the public eye that much. And I just think that that's incredibly rare.

And I found it captivating to be around. Yeah, and she shed a whole lot of light on what I thought were the biggest questions that came out of our journey through her stuff. And she was honest. She was comfortable talking about what she thought was good and what she thought was bad. She wasn't precious about her catalog. And she answered some really interesting questions for me. Like in my own mind, I'm not saying our questions were that interesting. To me, I was interested in, you know, a little bit more the detail around how she thinks about Hannah now and the Disney experience, right?

A little bit more about what was actually going on through the recording of bangers and how she got into that kind of music. And then the boldness and also drugged outness of the choices that she made around dead pets. and then, you know, I think an honest assessment of endless summer being a stepping stone. First of all, I got choked up one time in the interview, and that was when she sort of talked about the way that she was trying to save her marriage through younger now and how all those pictures that we talked about, and that she probably got a little bit ridiculed for, and it was like, ooh, is this like a, is she trying to appeal to a different audience?

Well, she was. It was an audience of one. Yeah. And we asked her the question about whether she stays or leaves. And because it's a theme through a lot of her music. And she said, no, I stay. I'm a standby your man. And then when she sort of talked about that, I got in the moment, like, I just sort of felt deeply for her.

Because then you could see why she was crying, looking at her mother while she was singing end of the world. And, you know, what the source of that tension is between her and her parents. It all connected the dots for me around some of that relational, trauma for her and that she was very, she was very open about it. And I thought we learned some things about something beautiful that we wouldn't have on our own too. Yeah, I think we also learned that central question. You know, her answer about her instinct to move on so quickly for music, not coming from a place of defensiveness, which often we wondered if that's what that was. And

her point of view just being like, you know, I'm just kind of a motor with this stuff. And I am really on to the next one, and it drives me crazy how long it takes to put stuff out. Yeah, she showed. It was so, I almost wish that I'd, like, grabbed the phone from her and, but I'm sorry, Miley, but I need to take a look at this. If your bodyguard wants to come in here and tackle me to the ground, then I guess that'll make for an interesting podcast. But it was crazy.

She just had the whole thing. Yeah. It's wild. So we know what the next album appetizer is. But, you know, my hope. Listen, the album debuted in the top five this week. It had a few channels. I mean, Morgan Wallen is just a streaming powerhouse.

He just is. And that was always going to be at number one. But I am heartened by the critical reception of that album because I think people see it for what it is, which is a really great album. She did really good work. And I don't think that being number one needs to have been the point on this one,

nor do I think it's a reflection of her impact, and certainly not of the music that she made. To me, it is, and I'm not just glazing her here. I believe, you know, my hope for her is this is someone who, I didn't even really remember how many arrows she's taken. She's taken a lot of arrows because I think a lot of people just had trouble watching their little girl, Hannah Montana, grow up. And she wasn't allowed to make very many mistakes.

And so to see her in this moment, having actually figured out how to make what I think is a really cohesive, and quality album is great. And I hope that she's sitting with that and feeling great this week as opposed to like nitpicking and worrying over the specifics of was I,

you know, number two or three or one or four or whatever. Is there anything that you wish that you'd asked? Like in the last few days, have you listened back or seen stuff going around and been like, oh, like, I wish I'd followed up on that

or I wish that we'd covered that a little bit more. With the knowledge that, look, we could have gone five hours with the amount of questions that we had. But even with her generosity of giving her time, we had a limited scope. I know. I went back and counted, I think we had like 72 questions, Nora. Seventy-two that we asked on the pod or that we had written out. No, that you and I had sort of organized in the dock to think about. And then, you know,

we obviously asked some follow-ups and some extras within the moment there. I was worried that we didn't actually give endless summer vacation enough time because you and I were trying to kind of get through the end, just because we'd gotten a time warning because we were using her. That was the moment in the pod where I'm going like, oh, no, we need to make sure that we get back to something beautiful and be able to talk about this new album. Right. And she had said that she was excited to talk about those next couple albums. But in listening back, she started, she talked a little about an endless summer vacation in the beginning. So I do think that we ended up connecting those dots in the way. I mean, I could have asked her a bunch more questions about the Disney stuff and a little

bit more about the production. And the thing that I do wish we'd asked her, like, specifically is her favorite song from every album. I think we got most of it. And also, like, what she hates? Like, what are songs that people like that she fucking hates? Like, I just wanted to hear her talk some more shit about her own music in a good and bad way. She was really willing to do that, which was just so refreshing. Do you ever regret? Like, is there something you feel like you missed? The only thing that I've sort of recognized in hindsight was that there were a few times

on the pod where she described herself as being this like intensely sexual person and that having been true like, to paraphrase, like basically from birth. And I wish that I had asked her to die. And I think she would have been totally willing to dive in a little bit more on like what that means to her. Besides stripping in a in a cracker barrel. Well, but it can like it can mean that. But like I just sort of wanted to connect the action of stripping in a cracker barrel with her self-description a little bit more explicitly in the sense that like is she, you know, I don't know if what she meant by that was not to be in. delicate, but like, she's kind of a horny gal some of the time.

Or if what she meant by that was a lot of her modes of self-expression have to do with the sort of carnality of the body. And I just, you know, maybe it's for the next interview. But that was the thing where when I was going back, I was like, oh, she brought this up a few times. And I think because it feels like. I couldn't touch it. Well, but it also, like, it felt.

There was no way for me to touch it. And this is why she was such an amazing person to talk to. It was like just her saying that felt sort of revelatory and is really interesting. And so I think in the moment, it's like you receive that on one level. And then I was listening back and going like, okay, but there's actually a level beneath that that I kind of wish that we'd gotten to. So frankly, that's mine. But maybe we'll have another opportunity someday because I hope she had a good time. I think she had a good time.

Thank you to all the people who talked about it online. in particular those who attributed the podcast. We appreciate that. Nathan has been like running around, hunting down every aggregator that hasn't been like, this came from every single album podcast. And I appreciate it. They fix their shit too. Nathan, like, fought pop craves.

We're friends now. It's all good. I love pop grave. But that was, I appreciate that they have credited us. Well, that was Miley. And that was just really fun. Should we talk about Addison? Let's do it.

Can I ask you a question? Yeah, please. So I have a massively oversimplified view of the female pop landscape. And I need your help. Because, and this is wrong, okay, and I don't mean to be, like, reductive. But I think that people want to be, friends with Taylor. I think they want to do drugs with Charlie. I think they want Sabrina's confidence. I think they want to kiss Billy. I think they want to be Gracie. I think they want to dance like Tate.

What is the appeal of Addison Ray? Is it influence in this moment in culture in which one of the largest influencers on the internet has ostensibly the most power in the world of the United States presidency. What is the appeal of Addison Ray? In particular to young women, but generally speaking, it feels like we were being offered the notion that she is the next it girl. And we'll talk about how we got here. But what is this appeal, Nora? Okay. Can I, sorry, you gave me too much there to not acknowledge in some way. First of all, I do think that you have a couple of those flipped. I think people feel like they are, even though she's so big that it's hard to admit,

I think people feel like they are Taylor more so than they feel like they want to be Taylor. You don't think it's just that they desperately want to be friends with her? No, I think people desperately want to be friends with Gracie. But I think Gracie is attainable for some reason and so relatable. So that's what you think. You think it's flipped. Do you think people want to be Taylor? Well, I think people want to be, I think people think people think that Gracie understands something about them and she communicates in a way where it does, I think, make people feel very seen to use a phrase that is probably overused at this point. Taylor, I don't think.

You don't think people think she's an alien and unattainable and they just like almost worship her. Well, so, but then how is that people want to be friends with her? Well, because I think they want to be in the bad blood video and walk the catwalk during Stott. Like, they want to be friends with her because she gets them. I think... No, I think it's more of, like, the mother fit. Like, I think people think that they sort of share a brain. But Taylor Swift shares a brain with millions and millions of people, many of them, women,

and that there is this kind of unlocked understanding of the human experience. Great. Well, that I stand corrected. That's a helpful insight. I still think they want to do drugs with Charlie. Yeah, but I want to be friends with Charlie. I think you want to be as cool as Charlie. You want to be indie cool like Charlie.

Definitely, definitely. Okay. Addison. I think with Addison, it is a combination of in some, like, this woman in a lot of ways is the representation for better and for worse, certainly. of the current idea of the American dream as crystallized through the popular culture of 2025. This is a woman who wanted to get out of her small town in Louisiana and was like,

you know what's going to help me do it? iPhone. Here's my iPhone. Here's my TikTok app. I didn't make the dance team at LSU. And therefore, I'm going to start doing my dances. and I'm going to work really, really hard, and that's going to make me rich and famous and glamorous.

And that's a pretty compelling narrative, even on its own. And then I think particularly on this album. So, like, that's the entire arc of Addison Wray. Yeah, like, obviously distilled. But I think that's the conversation about the entire, you know, rise to where we are now. I think the album itself is about a fantasy of femininity that has a relationship to the overall arc, but I think that is what she is more focused on right now. Fantasy of femininity. Tell me about that. It is, well, so think of how much Lana Del Rey has been cited as a touchstone for Addison

Ray. And I think that's a, that's, it's not. even just a fair comparison. It is one that she has made herself. Lana is name-checked on this album. It is so obvious as for my word of fair to almost be a little bit silly. But Lana, Lana has always liked to tell these stories of sort of like, you know, Americana and womanhood and this, this, that version of femininity,

but it's sort of dark and it's sort of sad. Yeah. The Addison twist, even though there is still hints of darkness or threat in a lot of these little narratives in these songs. Particularly the visuals related with the songs are pretty dark. And the world building that she's done here. You know, and we can talk more about whether it is her or whether it is a persona. But whichever version of that is embodying this music is ultimately, like, pretty satisfied.

There's at least more satisfied than the Lana version. Like this person is having fun. This person is playing with the high, low of kind of like the trashiest elements of culture, but also high glamour and achievement and success. And there's tension there. But I think ultimately this person is like having a. good time, and therefore there's sort of a brightness to it that I think is part of the character that she is trying to present. It is fucking crazy that she and Charlie Demilio and Alex Warren

were all in the hype house together. And I guess what's interesting about this case is that since really the late 2010s, the music industry has been monitoring, really post-Beber, right? Bieber's story was Scooter found him on YouTube. And so it started this notion that creators can come from anywhere and that the revolution of creation that happened when content became,

digitized and the tools to make it and record it, the technology became really cheap, was that great creators could come from anywhere. And the next superstar, you know, I mean, we were fed that narrative through American Idol and the X Factor, et cetera, and the voice on television, when television shows still, it's sort of at the end of TV shows being really big. And now there's this idea that these creators can come from anywhere. And so the music industry has been really looking and watching data. And candidly, for a while, big record labels like Universal Music

were throwing fuck tons of money at TikTokers and YouTubers who showed any slight, tweaky little promise of being a thing because a song went big and went viral. And the labels themselves actually found that to be a problem after a while and have cut back on that, you know, here's a massive deal to somebody because they had a viral hit,

because, and this is the point, they had a really hard time converting somebody from being a viral star, you know, one song that becomes a thing and then, you know, William Hong or whatever, and turning them into an actual pop star and an artist that had a career. You know, Jake Paul became fucking boxer. but I guess if Jake Paul can become a boxer, then Alex Warren and Addison Ray can potentially become seriously credible musicians. But this is a really important case study

for the industry that has been trying to make this happen for quite some time. And so the next question that I have for you is, do you believe it? Well, can we Can we pause that for one second and just go back because I want to acknowledge

because what you're saying is really, really important. And I, what I want to acknowledge about that is that the story of that where it doesn't work is true for Addison

until it isn't, right? Yeah. In 2021, she puts out this song obsessed. You say you're obsessed, I took a second and I said me to Yeah. And people make fun of it.

It sucks. Yeah. It's kind of fun. I have to say I think it's kind of funny. And I don't want to totally fall. But nobody believes it. And it doesn't transform her into a credible artist. Yeah. A little bit after, there are a bunch of demos for a project that never ended up getting released that leak. and it's very gaga. Some of them, I think, are fun. It maybe starts to become a little bit of this thing where people who kind of want to be

counterintuitive online will tell you, oh, you should listen to the Addison Ray demos. Like, they're really good. She's actually got something. She's secretly a genius and nobody understands. And it's always like, I find them kind of fun but kind of corny. And I think that narrative of here's this thing that nobody actually understands, but I know that this person is a genius.

Like sometimes that's hard to take seriously because everybody wants to be the person who realized that somebody was brilliant before the rest of the world did. But then I think the thing that I'm not saying this is why we've gotten. to this point. But I think the thing that is really huge that kind of changes is that Charlie XEX starts to kind of give a real

cosine. Yes. It's the first branch of the Charlie XX tree post brat. You mean the first branch is that like, oh,

Addison Ray is the first sort of when we think of Olivia Rodriguez post-Taylor. Addison Ray is that for Charlie XXX. Yeah. I don't, and I don't think Troy is that branch because he was like sort of trying beforehand. And in fact, you know,

I think he's he's trying his hardest. He's doing his best. She has not been able to propel him into superstardom. And I think that's just like, you know, we could, that's for a different podcast. I mean, Troy Savon has like a critical mass of people who really, really go hard for Troy Savon. And I think that's fine. But to your point, like that tour was originally the two of them as co-headliners, right? So I don't think that, I agree with you that that's not a branch in quite the same way.

But Charlie first did to die for with Addison. And then, of course, when Brat is sort of taking over culture, on the remix album, Addison does this really strange, screamed intro on the Von Dye touch remix.

And I think there is this like a little bit of this growing sense that, okay, she's still basically TikTok dance girl to most people. But maybe there is this sort of winking tendency among these indie taste makers or people who are fluent in that, but also pop to say, now hold on. maybe you guys are misunderstanding Addison Ray. She might have something to really offer here. And then we get Diet Pepsi. And in the wake of Diet Pepsi is everything that's come in terms of the other singles to get us to this album.

But this album, which like got an 8.0 on Pitchfork and is being taken really, really, really fucking seriously. by critics and by the kind of, you know, cultural commentariat. And it is just such an interesting arc. And so what I want to know from you is what the point was where you started. And I guess I'm, I don't mean to accuse you of ever not taking Addison Ray seriously. But what was the point in that arc where you went, huh? this might actually work. When you talked about her as an artist to watch in 2025 on our year-end podcast.

Did I do that? Good for me. I had forgotten I had Addison on my list. Wow. Nathan, this just made my day. See, I do listen to you. Wow, that's great. Yeah.

I mean... Just come through for me. Thanks, Addison. There just was enough noise that I wanted to start paying attention. to the signal. And I think that's what's interesting about this album, is that there is a lot of noise

about Addison Wright. Like Ed Sheeran posting the vinyl to his social profile and being like, you should listen. She's like one of my favorite pop stars. Well, because now it's cool. Like now the way to know that you get it is to not be making fun of Addison

Ray and actually even to be giving her a ton of flowers. Yeah. But I do wonder, is there a little bit... She's the fifth most followed person on TikTok. Like, is the same instinct that people have, like, bowing to the president so as not to upset, is it like the same dynamic at play, which is that she holds power in this moment, cultural cachet and people on the outside who are hoping... I mean, Ed Shearin has a new album coming

in which he's traveled around the world, it appears, and is incorporating parts of what he's learned on his journey, a la, I don't know, Paul Simon's Graceland. Do the words Ed Shearin global music album send just like the biggest shiver down your spine? Yes, they do. And that is probably why he's posting himself talking about, you know, just trying to glaze it up, get a little bit of the, leftovers and a little bit of the Addison rain leftovers. And that's what is interesting to me as we

sort of pivot to the album because I get the vibes. I do. And I think as a, you know, sort of put it on on a roof deck as the sun is setting in the summer, it's totally works. I do not think there is a massive hit on this album. And so there is this cult of personality, some of which I feel like I'm being pushed, a la Tate at the beginning, but some of which I really feel like is organic and I'm being pulled because she was known to a lot of people before she started the music piece. And I do think that Charlie, finding a way to become a superstar, Charlie X-E-X, finding a way to become a superstar while still maintaining her club underground cult status, makes her the perfect conduit to bless somebody and help them make the same,

sort of almost the inverse change, which is somebody who was a star and well-known, but didn't have the street cred. it's a very interesting crossing of paths coronation that was made. I just can't tell in this moment whether I think that the music is, is it worth listening to? Do we have to pay it credence? Yes. Do I think that as Ed Sheeran said,

Addison Ray is instantly one of our most interesting pop stars? Well, I think she is one of our most interesting pop stars because of all of the structural and cultural and technological things and viral things that are surrounding her, I listen to the album and I think it's fine. So here's the other argument that I think you can make to back up what Dear Ed is saying. So you listed all the ways that people relate to

some of the women and pop who are at the top of their game. I think one thing that is true of Addison in a really overt way, that's captivating to people and is a bit of an open lane is how... You know, the word shameless might even be the right one,

although I don't mean to invoke the idea that it's really something to be ashamed of in the first place, is how overtly she wants it. Yeah. Whereas so many of... It's usually not cool, isn't it? It's usually not cool,

particularly coming out of this era of, you know, a lot of the ideas behind, okay, do you want, want to be the person. Do you want to be friends with them? Do you want like, it's about, it's partly because I think we as listeners have, have been taught that where these artists are often coming from is from this place of, I make music basically because it's my diary. And I have to. And I'm pouring my soul out and that's what you get. And I, and Addison is not saying that to you at all. I think there are interesting moments of her revealing herself in these songs. But it is this sort of

meta thing of here's the album that I'm making about wanting to make myself a pop star. And here's the sonic equivalent of her doing all the pap walks, basically dressed as Britney Spears wearing the outfits that are the same as a famous outfit worn by Britney Spears and making people draw the comparisons. She's sort of the performance. And I think the music is really good. And so I think the music can stand on its own outside of the sort of performance art of it. But the performance art element of it is here's this woman who has this blonde ambition, she just wants to make it big for the sake of making it big. And she's asking you to watch. And through the music, she is world building around that idea. And I think she's,

What is this world? It is a world where fame is a gun. And it is a world where she is, you know, on times like these where she's hearing her song while she's driving down the street in the car and she's singing to you, let's see how far I go. Like, let's see. Because this could end really, really badly. And I'm inviting you guys to get in and watch. And because I think the aesthetics of the music, though again, there is that darkness, but they do have her sort of reveling in it. the experience of being invited to do that is both really interesting and also kind of fun. And to me, it's a pretty effective mix.

I mean, they're 20 years apart, but Katie Perry working this hard so overtly, dismissed as a tryhard. And Addison, for some reason, it's intriguing. People sort of are along for the reality show of can she evolve? She's in on it. She knows. And she's not, it is this, because she plays with sort of the high, low of it all so much,

she has already associated herself with like kind of the trashiest most base pieces of culture where it's like, oh, here's this girl who just got famous doing TikTok dances. It's like you can't really, none of that stuff sticks to her anymore because she's owned all of it. And it's a pretty effective way to get away from some of that, I think, is just to kind of own all of it. Well, it's cool to see, I don't know if it's blind, but it's unmasked ambition at work. Oh, I said blonde, not blind. I don't think it's eyes wide open. So let's talk about the biggest hit.

And you had mentioned that you don't see any of these songs like taking over this summer. You're not sure. I do think there's an interesting just piece of the timeline here because I do think that we should talk about Diet Pepsi. The song in this album that has 400 million Spotify streams and has already been a really, really big streaming hit and came out in August of last summer. So obviously there's been a long time in between Diet Pepsi and this album coming out. In the meantime, she has released four more singles, Aquamarine, High Fashion, Headphones On, and Fame is a Gun. Did any of those other singles mean anything significant to you up until now? Yeah, I thought Headphones On was pretty cool.

I love Headphones On. Yeah. I mean, I think Headphones On is the best song on the album. Do you think it's got, because that's the one that I wonder if it's got a chance over the summer to just kind of work its way into people? people. Yeah, I think if there is one, that's it. I agree. Fame as a gun is doing pretty well right now, actually. We're really on the same page with this so far. Yeah. I mean, I think it's outstreaming Diet Pepsi at the moment. Famous a gun is. And I think it's getting a lot of, it's getting like some social traction. It's being streamed. It's, it's resonating with the fans. It's maybe working its way out outside the fans.

it would have a long way to go again, like some of these, you know, fame as a gun wasn't released until a little over a week ago at this point or probably two weeks ago by the time this is out. But some of these other songs like Aquamarine was last October. Some of these have had a chance and have not gotten into the ballpark of a Diet Pepsi. But we'll see because I do think that especially headphones on just because because of the lightness of it. If that became a bit of a summer anthem,

I would not be shocked. Also because, as of right now, we are in a moment where, you know, Sabrina Carpenter just came out with Manchild. And that's a really fun song. And it's a really bright summer song. But the top of the charts right now generally look like Alex Warren.

And I have to say, I can't stand that song. A lot of Morgan Wallen. I said, baby, you should know that's what I want. That's what I want. Die with a smile, single-handedly getting Bruno Mars out of debt. Still there. Good Lord.

And like more Morgan Wallen, honestly. So in terms of songs from like our pop girlies that are fun, that are like bright and feel like something that I want to listen to when I'm, you know, in the passenger seat of a car driving on a nice summer night. We don't have a lot going on right now, which I think might contribute to Elaine for some of this music. Yeah, well, I mean, we have another person who got a lift from Charlie. I don't know if she needed it or not, but I mean, Lord's album coming could be there.

and there's a few others. I do think Sabrina right. Yeah, Hime. I do think Sabrina has, I mean, if I'm betting, Sabrina has the odds on favorite for song of the summer at the moment with Manchild, but we'll see.

Yeah, I think that's probably right. She's filling space, but there's something here. And that's what's really interesting to me. The music, listen, I think it's cool and interesting that three women got in a studio, and made this whole record, right?

She made it with Elvira, who you and I have not historically been a fan of at least... I know the Elvira comeback story. I love it. Her Taylor Swift remixes are not among our most favorite. Luca closer is the other.

And so I think it's actually really cool in that they close the doors and just did it. And I'll say there is a sonic consistency to this album that feels akin to Brat, which is... Totally. That they're... This is all one thing, and it's a statement.

And I value and appreciate that in an album. It actually makes me take it a lot more seriously because they didn't just throw a bunch of fucking spaghetti against the wall and hope that something was going to stick. It's not schizophrenic in any way. And maybe we're seeing it a little bit less. Like Sabrina kind of... I'm not that that was a debut album, obviously,

but like Sabrina kind of worked with just a few core teams. Olivia and Chapel have been pretty consistent with who they work with. But often in the kind of debut, we're trying to make a pop star happen album cycle. It's let's have her work with a bunch of people and come up with a bunch of different things and see what people like and whatever people latch on to. Great.

Now that's what this person is going to be. This is a lot more considered than that, Because it is just, it was Addison, Elvira, Luca closer in a room coming up with what is a really, really cohesive sonic palette, which actually means that they can, like, these one thing that I think is really cool about these songs is she can volley between doing this very Lana-esque trap pop thing and then doing like a much, more, you know, late 80s Madonna dance beat song. And they sound very clearly like they belong together. Because again, I think, like the way that I think about this album is as an exercise in world building because they've just created this bubble that all of this exists within and it all makes sense together to me.

And I think it's really cool that it's just not that often that you get a big pop album like this where everybody who's part of the core team is a woman. And, you know, I don't know, maybe Elvira was in there going, oh, each one of these could have been a Willow remix, but somehow I doubt it. I think that that seems like they all found something together. I would love to have been a fly on the wall in that studio to understand how these songs really were created and how much musical input Addison gave versus vibes. But, and I'm, I'm not doubting. I just,

I don't, I don't know. Because I think I find a lot of these songs to be kind of like four measure riffs that then there is sonic, again, vibe that's, that's sort of surrounded. But they,

they're not quarterly, musically complex creations. And there's interesting sort of sonic electronic, in particular synth treatments of these four measure ideas. But there isn't a lot of, wow, I didn't expect that change. Right. I think as the album goes on, the songs get a bit more interesting, honestly. So what do you think is the best?

I do think it's headphones on. You think it's headphones on? I love that it's the closer. I love that it winds up being the closer. I definitely do. I really did feel like listening to the album. top to bottom was this journey of she's scene sets with New York. And you do get into this mindset of, okay, she's talking about sort of the fantasy of New York

City that a lot of people have. Yeah, but like, do we need to start a pop album with New York, a song about New York? Someone's already done that. I can't remember, yes. I have to say, I don't think it's the most interesting musical song or the best musical song in the album, but the idea of that, like starting from that place, I do think helped me get in the mindset of the fantasy and of that fantasy world that she's building of, you know, like, I want to make it big.

And I'm sort of feeling myself because I'm on the streets of New York, but at the same time, like, it's actually kind of dirty. And all of that came through to me. So it's not my favorite song musically, but I like that song. And then you go through all of these vignettes about fame and culture and, you know, some of it is more sexual and all of the various parts of that feminine persona that I think she's very good at kind of wearing and through song. And then the fact that it ends with headphones on, just sending home the idea. that you communicate the fantasy through the music. And it's almost like it brings you,

like New York puts you into the fantasy land and then headphones on is like, you're in the dream world because you're listening to the songs. And then if you take the headphones off, you'll kind of snap back to reality. And I just, I thought that was very cool. Any other contenders? Well, it sounds like you may have one.

Tell me. Well, so the thing that I wanted to talk about here is that to me, the three, that I love are Diet Pepsi was one of my favorite songs of last year and shall remain.

I really love fame as a gun. I think that like just that as a single was surprising. It's kind of left of center and all the right ways. It still has

that hook on the chorus. I think her vocals are being filtered a lot everywhere. And I do the one, I don't begrudge her that on the album. The one thing that it brings up for me is like,

I do have some questions about how we might take the show on the road. And if this is something that's going to be able to hold up live. Because clearly there's quite a lot of treatment that's going into her voice. I think it actually comes off pretty well and is a feature and not a bug most of the time. One thing I do appreciate about fame as a gun is that there's just a little bit more clarity. It's a little bit less of the like whispery stacked vocals or everything just feels so gauzy. Occasionally I can find that overwhelming. And I think fame is a gun. It's just a little clearer. And there's something that I really like about that. And then the other one that I love

is headphones on. The thing that I wanted to bring up because of that is that if my three songs on this album were all singles. I do, like to the extent that I have a critique, because largely I think this was really, really strong, is maybe if they gave away a little bit too much, because I guess I'm seeing some of the reception to it, which is so laudatory and feeling a little bit like, yeah, no, I really like it too. I think she's really smart and interesting. The main event of this album is sort of still die at Pepsi. That song is almost a year old.

Like, what exactly did I come to this album for beyond the songs that I've already been hearing for a while that I already know that I like? Well, it's interesting to say that about her voice. I mean, she's been posting video of her singing with Eric Vitro, who's the vocal coach who's work with like Ariana and Sabrina, he works with a lot of people. He's big time.

So she's putting in the work. I feel like through most of this album that she's like kind of whispering in your ear for most of it. Like in the rain. Which I don't love as a song, but like she...

Oh, I actually like that a lot. In the rain might be my favorite non-single. I think it's fine. I do. I just like there's something on that song about her vocal to me that feels, yeah, I mean, we spent a lot of time on this podcast talking about the word calculating in the context of Taylor Swift. And I think pushing back on that a little bit. But you said it earlier in the pod, like she has overt ambition.

And there's something about the voice that feels like she's just, she's telling you that, she's coming. She's got her finger on the generational pulse. And she knows how to command attention. Well, and again, and she's copping to all of it. Like Taylor has... She's a bit of a ninja. But Taylor's gotten tagged with being calculating

because Taylor comes from a place of... And I think we all know that this is sort of... ridiculous and also that criticism is ridiculous because you don't get to a place like where Taylor Swift is without being incredibly smart and planning and being ambitious in a lot of ways. But people think of Taylor as saying, I just need to get these songs out of me. Like this is just, this is just how I communicate and, oh, look what all just happened. And it took a long time before we got to a place of mastermind where she would just sort of acknowledge all of it. And I think that's worked out very well for her too. But as a from the jump, I mean, on that song, she says, you know, she says, isn't it all for the show?

Is the lyric on In the Rain? She's just telling you right up front that basically everything that she's doing is in service of the performance. And so I think it's very ineffective to say, oh, she's calculating because Addison's looking right back at you and saying, yeah. Like, here's my calculate. here's my little abacus. Like I'm counting it all up right now and I'm plotting and I'm, you know,

trying to get to A to B to C to Z. And it is, you know, the, the TikTok angle to it, I just think it's such an apt arc for the person who is playing with those ideas

about fame and performance and celebrity to have taken. because it is the thing that most young people sort of think about first, if they think about if I were to become overnight famous, it's likely they're thinking about doing it on an app,

becoming an influencer, rather than I'm going to go to Hollywood and I'm going to become a star. And so I just, I think that mirror to our culture is really something that I've enjoyed spending time thinking about through this music in addition to enjoying listening to the music.

Do you get annoyed on this album by the, what are two effectively interludes? Yes, I do. Thank you for asking. And life's no fun through Clear Waters. I mean, she references back to Life's No Fun Through Clear Waters. That's a lyric on headphones on. Which follows that song. But these bother you?

Yeah, they definitely bother me. And they actually bother me even more here because one of the clear strengths of this album, is that it is a world and it is cohesive. And all of this stuff fits together. There's no, like, what do these, I just don't know what these interludes accomplish. Because we don't need them to kind of, you know, she doesn't need, not that Beyonce did either,

but like no one needs to say genres are a funny little concept for us to understand what is happening on this album. Like, I, it all stands on its own. And maybe she just didn't want to have a 29-minute album. So she tossed in, I think that might be what's going on. That's what I was going to say. I think they didn't have enough content and they were like, oh, this will...

I think they fell into the trap that upsets you, which is, oh, this little interlude here will fill a little space, but it also will be mysterious. And you have to take me credibly if I'm giving you an interlude because... No, I'm not... Your trick didn't work on me,

Addison and Elvira. It's also, like, the other thing is that they can't go anywhere. So like lost and found the first time that I was listening to the album. 47 seconds. I didn't know that it was going to end in 47 seconds. And at first I'm going, oh, this might be the first one that doesn't hit for me because... And then all of a sudden, we're in high fashion. Right. And then I go, why, like, what was the point? Because the song doesn't have a chance to go anywhere. Because it doesn't have a chance to go anywhere. All that's left is the overarching haziness of it all, which is a line that I think,

that most of this music toes and stays on the right side of it, but you're always aware of the danger of it just becoming so gauzy that you feel like you're lost in the fog. And yeah, no, I would blast both of those songs into the sun. Songs. Not even songs.

How do you feel about money is everything? She name drops Lana, she name drops Madonna, she name drops Gaga. DJ, I like it because I think it's so cheeky and ridiculous. Right. That she's screaming about how much money she's got. The I'm The World is very funny to me.

And I do think that one of the strengths of this album is its humor. And that's a really good example of it. It's not my favorite musical song. But as a flavor within this collection, I'm a fan. I like times like these. I really do think this album gets better as it goes. It's not that Diet Pepsi's bad or there's bad stuff. I just think, I don't know.

I do like In the Rain. I like, you know, summer forever, there are a few more chord progressions there than there are on some of the earlier ones. I mean, high fashion is, we'll talk about it lyrically. It's kind of, it's definitely the most interesting lyrical song on the album. I'm not sure this is a particularly deep lyrical record.

I don't learn that much. about her other than a few little things towards the end. But I do think high fashion starts and is a little more interesting melodically with those moving pulsing synths. Aquamarine didn't do it for me at all. And that's the one song on here that I just, I don't totally get as a song that if I couldn't cut the interludes, I would cut Aquamarine, I think. Corrine has grown...

I didn't feel like I latched onto it initially, but it's grown on me quite a bit. I just... Somebody decided it was the second single. I mean, it was an interesting choice. Yeah, well, and I think she... I actually think the way that they released the singles, though I have some question about how long it took to get us from Diet Pepsi to hear,

I think it was very smart because even if those songs didn't, become huge. First of all, until we get to headphones on, which at this point, I mean, that song's been out since mid-April. So it certainly had a chance for people to discover it, but it's not like aquamarine, which came out last October. Headphones on is the first one since Diet Pepsi, where I think it has a real chance to catch on with people.

But I think aquamarine and then high fashion, it was... let me show that I can be kind of a weirdo. Like, let me demonstrate maybe more to critics and sort of the people who really pay attention that I'm not just going to producers at Max Martin's imprint and saying, give me a hit, I'll sing anything. It's, there's a perspective here and particularly in the case of high fashion, there's some willingness to do something kind of bizarre. Like that's a bit of a strange song. And it's not easy.

It's not easily digestible. It's also, you know, how many people are going to want to listen to Addison Ray say, you know, I'm not an easy fuck. But when it comes to shoes, I'll be a slut. Like, proving that she was willing to go there. I think... I'm not kidding. I know you're not kidding. I know you're not kidding.

I think probably accomplished something, even if it didn't make those songs take off. Well... No? You don't... Sure. Yes. Yes.

I think... This feels like an appetizer to me. An appetizer to what? Like, well, I feel like the point of this album probably was not to create a big hit that launched her. It was to earn the credibility to keep going as a pop star. And I think in that regard, you know, because of the moment in the calendar that it falls, because of the critical reception and because just of her preexisting fan base willing it, that she's earned it. But I don't know. I mean, are you going to, is this going to be on the background of your life for the summer?

Yeah, I think so. I think I will play this a lot. Not every single song. Interesting. But other than, you know, it's interesting that you seem to be a fan of summer forever. If I can't just cut the interludes, that's the one that I actually would get rid of. And it's not, I hear your point. about the chord progressions being a little bit more varied and taking you on a little bit more

of a journey than the average song here. That's just the one where the Lana cosplay kind of tips over into. I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to be precious about that one. I would actually let you kill it. I would protect in the rain. I would protect fame as a gun. I would protect times like these and headphones on. That's where I think the album gets really strong coming out of high fashion, which is funny lyrically, you're right. I think summer forever, I don't need it. The only, it's really honestly the only, I think it's the only song that I don't like,

other than the interludes. Everything else, I think that I will, everything else I will either play, and actually I'm sure that I will play it a fair bit, or it's something like New York or Money is Everything or high fashion, where the song is kind of so much a bit that it's not the most listenable thing,

but I do think it's interesting. Like New York is so, it's so hypnotic and her voice is so synthesized that I feel like I can't really listen to that on it. It's just not like an easy listening, oh, I'm having a nice summer night song. But look, Diet Pepsi is already on tons of my playlists. Aquamarine,

has actually grown on me quite a bit. I really enjoy in the rain. That's maybe my favorite that we hadn't heard. I love fame as a gun. I really like times like these two. And then headphones on, is headphones on. Headphones on my currently inch out manchild for me

as the Nora Prince Yati song of the summer thus far. Wow. It's so neck and neck. But I will tell you my honest, which is that right now, my song of the summer is headphones on by Addison Wreck. Okay. Let's see if everybody feels that way. I would venture to say that they almost certainly won't.

Yeah, it's got a ways to go. Well, because look, it's an interesting sort of example of scale this album because it's been predicted to do somewhere between like 35, 40,000 and first week sales. that's a little under Miley. Yeah. Brat was 80. Tate McCray was 177,000. And it's just like such an interesting example to me of I feel like when I go on the

internet, all I'm seeing is people talking about Addison Ray. And then out in the world, the scale of who's listening to this is just, just a little bit smaller than that. And that's not a bad thing, but I just want to acknowledge that. And whereas Sabrina Carpenter exists on a plane that is just much more massive than that. So I think a lot more people will be listening to Manchild, which I do really like. But I am speaking my truth that right now, headphones on, is my song of the summer. What else do we have on this? Do you have a conspiracy? Yeah, she's an industry plant. What does that even mean? It means in this case that like Charlie XX,

you know, was encouraged by label to turn her into something bigger and that and that the industry is just sort of pushing her forward and that there is less

again, I just want everybody to pause and tell this is not, I don't actually believe this, but is this, it's interesting that you're really, that headphones on is song of the summer for you. you're really riding for this record. I really, I realized like 15 minutes into this conversation

that my grade was going to stun you. Yeah, I think it is. I mean, it's not now because I've heard what you said, but like I think that they have passed the credibility check with this album in that she has permission to keep going. I saw like Pitchfork gave it like an eight. whereas it dumped on a whole bunch of other stuff, which is a clown...

Pitchfork giving an 8, and this is not for me to say that... It's a clown car. It's, that's, that is wild. Like, pitch for giving the Addison Ray album an 8 is just not something that I... An 8.0 is not something that I had on my 2025 bingo card, despite the fact that I thought she would have a big year. I think it's as ridiculous as some of the other low grades that they give.

It's just sort of intended to provoke. It's like a Trump... truth social post. And so I just, I think, and this is not hate at all, like I'm really intrigued by this woman. She has power and influence and ambition and drive and sensibility. And I think the music is just okay,

but it's being swept up in a moment of, oh, this is the next it girl. And it, I feel like, like I'm right on the cliff, on the edge of the cliff where I'm looking down to my left and there is, it's being pushed to me and I don't believe it and I reject it. But I look down to my right and it's for real and it's going to just be caught up in the zeitgeist and she's going to be the it girl. I don't know that this album itself from a music perspective is strong enough to do it. Charlie X-E-X had an album that song by song by song by song was strong and was a

consistent album in the same way that this is, but like the sonic qualities of those albums and like the lyrical content and the insecurity masquerading as confidence, masquerading as insecurity, like all the sort of meta female psyche of that album on top of like, really interesting electronic melodies to me. Like that, I understand why that broke Charlie out and became a moment in addition to the genius marketing around that album. But on a standalone basis, like 360, if you hear that song and it doesn't resonate with you, I'm not sure that you have blood in your veins.

And certainly your heart beats a lot slower than mine does. I would take 360 over headphones on for sure. Yeah, 360. When you're in the memory, do you see? That's what you see. Yeah, this one I just feel like, I think I'd take a couple songs over. I'd take Apple.

Shout out to Chapel Rhone doing the Apple dance in a primavera this weekend. Chapel, an Apple girl was bound to happen one of these days, and it was fantastic. What do people, with Chapel, I think people just want to watch her, or they want to give zero. fucks like her. I don't know what my, what my chapel, you know, people want to be Taylor Swift. They want to be friends with Gracie, as you course corrected me.

But I just, I think the question for me is, is this music really strong enough? Or will the next album then try to find that real breakthrough breakout hit? Because what this album did was in stupid like warfare terms, it sort of made the ground fertile for a full-scale invasion, right? They did an aerial attack to blow out some of the defenses that we would have had being like, fuck this TikToker, like, what are you talking about? Now those, you know, air defenses are gone and were much more vulnerable to an attack. And that may be what the next record is. Yeah, I think with the exception of the fact that Diapepi was eventually a pretty big song. So you can't say that she's never had that under her belt.

But it was like, I mean, I'm not even sure correct to top 50. I think the peak was like 54 or something. Yeah, I think that's right. But it has over time, it has streamed a lot. Yeah. It was mostly that kind of, if you know, you know, pop culture consumer favorite. But I think it transcended that a little bit. Yeah.

In this moment, it's done fewer than 400,000 streams on Spotify. Yeah, but that's healthy. Big song. Yeah. It's super healthy. There's no doubt that this is her biggest song. I'm just suggesting that a chart that is littered with Morgan Wallen and now Sabrina Carpenter has the number one song in the world, I don't know that she has pierced

quite all the way through. I think people know who she is, but I'm not sure that musically, like, what do you think the overlap is between Morgan Wallen and Addison Ray right now. Very little. Very little. But is that what this album is attempting to accomplish? I don't really think so. I don't either.

I think it's, but that's my point is I think it's just trying to establish her and give her permission to be a pop star. And that's why I think that's what's interesting about whatever follows this. I at least, I guess I would hope, but I would also think that just because I think Charlie has for so long been so interested in the relationship and the tension between the mainstream and the underground, which is such a core principle to this album

and to the project of being Addison. I see that, I can certainly see how that partnership could be very organic. Now, I have to imagine that people within the music industry are suggesting that, artists interact with other artists or people who might have a certain fan base and therefore might be able to capitalize on that pretty much all the time. So if that happened here, I guess that wouldn't be particularly notable to me. But I can, I can certainly see why someone

with Charlie XX's set of interests would be really into Addison Ray. Nora, just because we talked to Miley Cyrus for two and a half hours does not give us permission to do to our podcast. So it is time for you to tell me what you fucking grade at this thing because I am terrified. You need to give me a best lyric.

I gave you a best lyric. Oh, you really do think it is the shoes. It's a great line. I did, from times like these, I do think that am I too young to be this mad? Am I told to blame my dad? It's like, it's right on this line of like,

maybe it is a little bit poignant, but it's also ripping funny that she wrote that. That's my favorite. I compare my life to the new It Girl, jealousy's a riptide, it pulls me under, is an interesting line from the person who... You always want people to be, like, going through it emotionally.

You're always like, what's the thing that cuts? I don't... That actually didn't cut me at all. It's just the notion that she's comparing herself to the new It Girl when I think we are being told universally by the press, by the fans, and by the establishment

that she is the new it girl. I think she is. I gave it an A-minus. Wow. That's kind of what I thought you were going to say. I temporarily was afraid you were going to tell me you gave it an A. A-minus is quite a grade for you.

This is a little bit like my kid's school. No. No. No. No. And, Ethan, I think this is really strong. wrong. I think there's, I think it's lacking something that is truly transcendent. I get your perception of this is, you know, laying the groundwork and making room for whatever comes next. But I think it's really cohesive. I think she has a clear point of view. I find that point of

you in its sort of obsession with fame and culture and the high, low, really interesting. I think she's done it in a way that's not a drag, which to me is awesome. And I think that there are three songs, Diet Pepsi, Fame is a Gun, headphones on that are great. She's obsessed with cigarettes on this album. they're in the video, the aquamarine video. She's referencing that there's a lot, you know, there's a lyric that I'm not even going to say out loud.

Yep. Because again, that's part of the, that is part of the pastiche, right? It's the trashiness. It's the ugliness of that contrasted with the glamour and, you know, name-checking Madonna and all of the sort of hazy,

pretty, gauzy aesthetics of some of the music. To me, there, it is passable. There is too much tribute on here to Madonna, to Lana, to Brittany for me to feel like this album actually gets an A

in that I don't feel like creatively, I am moved by these songs. I think the music is fine. I think she is an A in terms of a pop star. She's fascinating. And we have to watch her because she's making this move from, you know, viral creator to actual sort of authentic, credible musician. And so I'm fascinated by her.

And she has, like, I'm not hating it at all. I just think that there is this. wave, I'm rebelling against the wave of this is the it girl, which I believe and I see. And I'm trying to separate that from a critical view of the album that I think is good, but it's not great. And so it got to be for me. I think that's entirely fair. I also think it, like, I really love this album. Even within that, I have found myself bump up against a little. bit of the coverage. Just because I do think that sometimes people come from a place of knowing that there are

elements of this that people are going to say are shallow and wanting to be the person who has found the depth in the thing that is unrightfully dismissed as disposable. I think there can be a lot of currency in that. And in some cases, like, even the, I loved that pitchfork. Like, I thought the actual writing and the people who write the pitchforks, Fork articles don't do the grade. We should all know this, be good consumers of stuff that's online. The 8.0, I was like, this is a bit. Like, you guys are doing this for the bit. I think they are. But then that's fine. Like, I, I, we, we, I think it is to the benefit of our pod that we don't spend that much time dissecting pitchfork grades.

Because I think that's an unhealthy pastime in general. But, uh, I get what you're saying from that perspective, even if, I feel closer to some of that in terms of the actual quality. But also she was on my 2025 list, as you pointed out. Addison Ray, we're watching you. Very intrigued. Summer continues. All right, this has been every single album. I'm Nora Princiotti. As always, he's Nathan Hubbard. We will be back next week to talk a little bit more about some summer releases and some other stuff that we have missed while we were going deep on Miley Cyrus. If people haven't listened to that interview, I highly encourage you to go back and see everything

that Miley had to say. Thanks again to everyone who put that together and to you for listening.