Every Single Album - The 2026 Coachella Lineup, Charli XCX's Second Wedding, and Taylor at the Chiefs Game (Maybe?)

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Nora and Nathan chat about some music and pop culture news from the week, like the 2026 Coachella lineup, which surprisingly features Justin Bieber as a headliner (1:00); Charli XCX's second wedding in Sicily, featuring Matty Healy (15:07); and whether or not Taylor Swift was really at the Chiefs game last Sunday (25:26). Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan HubbardProducer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to every single album. I'm Nora Pryanti. As always, I'm joined by Nathan Hubbard. Nathan, are you ready to just like chat today? Because I think that's what we're going to do. How's it going, my friend? What are we talking about? I told Nathan that he was allowed to call me out for our rundown today

and that I wouldn't object because we did call an audible here because there are some things that happened over the weekend that I just, I just, I have some thoughts and feelings about. and there's some news, and I just think that we should address it all. The first is the most, I'm not going to call it serious, but the most, like, meaningful news topic,

which is that the Coachella lineup is out. For next April, headliners are, drum roll, please, but-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ba-da-da-ba-da-da-ba. Sabrina Carpenter, heard of her. Justin Bieber, which is the one that I really want to talk to you about, and Carol G.

And then, of course, There are a lot of other artists and we'll get into all of that. But can we start with Bieber? Is that cool? I mean, just go. Tell me, what's up with Bieber? Well, like, did you think, I mean, we talked about this when we talked about swag. And now swag too, which like, honestly, just sort of seems like now with more swag to me,

which is not to say that I don't like it. Is out in the world. But we talked a little bit about whether or not we would ever see Bieber perform this stuff because his performance history has obviously been really complicated and in some cases kind of traumatic. And so the fact that he's going and doing this or at least signing up to go and do this really grabbed me. I don't know that I thought that we had a Justin Bieber Coachella headlining performance in the cards. It was not necessarily on my bingo sheet. It's not clocking to you that he's standing on business, is it, Nora? By that do you mean he's doing this to make some money?

I mean, I think he's trying to reinvigorate his career. And he has a long history of touring with the fine folks at AEG, who are the macro-level company owners of Coachella. And so it's not hugely surprising to me that he's here. I guess it's going to be hugely surprising to some people if he shows up for both weekends. Well, right, that's what I mean is, like, yeah, he has a long history with Aege,

and that cuts both ways because they've been on both sides of the Justin Bieber touring experience. So, like, you know, I credit the leap of faith, I suppose. Like, I would be, if I were going to Coachella, I would be, like, pretty psyched to see Beaver. But I would also be like,

huh, wonder how this is going to go. I think it's going to go great. I think it's under control. I think he's got... Okay. I think he's... I think... They've had problems with headliners bailing fairly recently.

You know, three years ago, the festival was a little bit shaken, I think, and they've put some real thought against building it out. And I will say that the most interesting thing for me, the headliner piece is interesting. And yeah, I do think it's sort of all eyes on Bieber. it's cool that Sabrina as she put out on social media today as a woman of her word and declared in the nonsense outro

last time she was there that she'd see them again when she was headlining and here she is. But it's the lines underneath the headliners that are kind of cool for me. Turnstile, a massive rock band right now

that's blowing up. Dijon, who we see on the Bieber record. Katzai, this group that seems to be blowing the fuck up right now, all those are like

next order down under Sabrina Carpenter. Even like the Bieber set, Somba's there, Addison Ray is there, the strokes who we haven't seen in a long-ass time, Interpol, like a real sort of eclectic mix there. David Byrne. Yeah, under Bieber, like a festival that would be a really cool day

even if Bieber doesn't even show. And then I think Carol G on Sunday, like Carol G is the biggest star that most people don't realize. She's massive. And even further down there, like, hey, look who it is. Pirez. Hey, it's Holly Humberstone. Like, there's some cool stuff. By the way, on the same line as suicidal tendencies and black flag, which is fucking cool. So there's, there's a lot of really

interesting, eclectic stuff across that, that I think gets back to maybe what the point of Coachella was in the beginning. And that, I think, is actually the way to read this. There's two interesting things. One is the subheadliners for me speak to a desire by the festival to get a from an over dependence on headliners. Because that, I think, is what really started to weigh them down in the past. This was originally the festival of who's next and the up-and-comers and the people that you've got to see before they're going to go be in arenas and stadiums. And I think the over-dependence on headliners has doomed a lot of festivals across the U.S.

and suppressed attendance because, hey, let's be honest, you could have seen Sabrina Carpenter any time in fall 2025 by the time this thing rolls around. Now, is she going to hold some stuff back? Is it going to be a different show? Of course, it's going to be worth seeing. But you have not seen Justin Bieber, right?

Right. I mean, that's part of the main reason I go straight to Bieber, right? It's because like Sabrina, we've seen her do some of the festival stuff. I'm sure she will find new stops to pull out. But we've had plenty of Sabrina moments and we'll have had even more by the time this happens. Yeah.

So it is that I think this is an indication of the festival trying to move back to it's about the whole, not the individual parts. Then the second thing that's interesting is they went up on September 15th. And that, I think, is a reflection. That's early. And that I think is a reflection of what started to happen overall in the concert business. It hadn't started to happen. It's been happening for a long time now, which is, you know, Cardi B is putting up a tour for 26 now. you know, Tucker Wetmore is putting, or Riley Green is putting up a tour for 26.

Like, people are putting up shows that are going to happen next summer in the fall. And if you're Coachella, I think you just want to make sure that all the money doesn't get taken out of the market. I think there's a lot of uncertainty around how consumer spending is going to go over the next year. And so when you're a major festival that's happening in April, you certainly don't want a bunch of summer concerts, arenas, stadiums, et cetera, getting out in front of you, people buying those tickets. and then saying, hey, I don't have enough to do this. So there's a business part of coming out now, but I also think it is a reflection of this desire

to return to something that is about the brand and the experience more so than exactly who the headliners are on stage. Who do you think their target audiences? Who do you think they want to be going to Coachella? I think this is a right of passage for every high school senior in Southern. California. And I think beyond that, it's what other folks in that, call it 18 to 25 demographic

are willing to travel. Okay, that's really interesting because this strikes me as an incredibly millennial lineup. Yeah. Well. Which I do wonder if you're coming after a year where like you're in this environment where the questions about consumer spending are present, where, you know, there's a ton of conversation last year about these festivals starting to do the, like, pay incrementally models for ticket buying. This seems like, this does not seem like... The layaway plan. Thank you.

This does not seem like a lineup that... This seems like a lineup that gets my peers. Well, pretty psyched. More so that... And my peers have more money to spend than an 18-year-old, generally speaking. And so I wonder if that's being reflected a little bit in who's here. Yeah. There are multiple festivals within the festival.

And there are multiple Coachell experiences within the festival. There's the, hey, look at 60,000 people, 80,000 people out in a field in the dirt. And then there are, how do we create incredibly high-end experiences for 10,000 people? And that's where some of these artists are definitely designed to target people with a little bit older demographic and more spending power, because that will help effectively subsidize the experience for a lot of other folks who are going to be in the GA section of this festival. Right. Because even like cascade, major laser, like there's a little mini, if you wanted to go to Coachella and have a little mini experience. of like a 2011 EDM focused festival, which was like what we did back in that day, you could do that.

Or like if you're obsessed with the strokes, you can go and like there's actually probably a lot of people where the strokes are their favorite band, but also Justin Bieber carries a ton of nostalgia. And so that's something that you can experience together. Like I just, it's, you know, I wonder if, reflects the marketplace.

I wonder if it reflects just sort of the sort of strange place that it seems like popular music is in where there's all these sort of diffuse things that are like kind of hitting, but the like huge monocultural consensus around the breakouts of Sabrina and Chapel, around Brat Summer, like that stuff feels, even like Gaga feels a little bit less obvious this year than last year. and there's something for everyone on this lineup. Yeah, and then what you're saying about like capturing sort of the original ethos of what Coachella was supposed to be. What is this radio thing at the bottom of this poster? The Radiohead thing?

The bunker debut of Radiohead Kid A. Amnesia. The answer is I have no idea. I know Radiohead's playing shows this fall. A select group of. shows later in the fall, and we should be asking lots of questions. Okay. This is either going to be something insanely cool, or it's going to be some, like, AI bullshit

that's going to make me really upset. I don't think you put it at the bottom of the poster unless it's something meaningful. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. But it is intended to create buzz without confirmation from the band, for sure. Speaking of confirmation, can I just point out that hits Daily Double?

had this info and got it right again. Yeah. Just if we're paying attention to the news and information ecosystem in terms of meaningful updates about what's happening in the music biz, like, I'm on to you, people. I don't know why I'm saying I'm on to them about them doing their jobs well, but like, you know what I mean. Yeah, they've been on it for sure.

As industry gadflies, they have had their finger on the pulse over the last last six months, and candidly for a long time. That's kind of what they do. Hits Daily Double. Is Taylor playing the Super Bowl? Could you please update the every single album podcast we would like to know? Contact your sources. Will she appear behind a giant wall that no one will see her?

Oh, we're going to talk about that. Last Coachella thing, and it's back to Bieber. Do you think he's playing the hits, or do you think he's playing swag? I mean, if the guy gets on stage and doesn't sing One Last Lonely Girl, I'm pissed. Do you think he will do, like, will he have a One Last Lonely Girl from the crowd? That seems like a moment to bring out Haley. Yeah, that's probably true.

That's probably true. And she, like, throws... One less Lonely Girl. Throws lip gloss into the audience. She's really active. She's out there. I mean, she is maybe bigger. star than he is right now.

Did you see him post their family, like family values chart list? I think I only saw it because you posted it on social, freaking out about the fonts. I'm fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by the fonts. I'm fascinated by the completely inconsistent capitalization choices. I'm fascinated by how there seems to be like a calendar of. the months at the very bottom of it that has no purpose. I am incredibly fascinated by the one where they've been talking about like valuing rest and

health and longevity in a lot of ways that like really makes sense to me is something that Justin Bieber would sort of want to have as a manifestation every morning in his place of residence. And then there's just one where it says like we value something and making people feel like they can fly. Yeah. That came out of left field for me. It does kind of look like a thing that you'd buy at home goods or something.

No, it's very live-lap-love. Like wall art, yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. A college kid would put up because they just need something on the wall. Absolutely. And yeah, I just like, this man has some sartorial abilities himself and he is married to one of the aesthetic totems of our time

and therefore the fonts just will haunt me for the rest of my days that this is something that's just like hanging out in the Beaver house. Well, listen, if it's a reflection of the slow re-assent of Justin Bieber and the right path and that all of this collectively, the Coachella performance,

the values are him digging out of what I think by any measure was a partially dark time anyway for him. I'm thrilled. Me too. Me too. And I really hope he does do one less lonely girl. I mean, I hope there are a lot of throwback moments in that. It's just like, yes, he has new stuff to promote. But as we talked about, it's been a long time since anybody got to enjoy Bieber on a big stage. So that's fun. That's very fun. Can we move on anything else on Coachella? Sounds great. What's next? So a while back we talked about Charlie X. CX's official small-scale marriage in London.

Right. But over the weekend, they had the big Sicilian blowout. Okay. Have you followed? Have you seen the photos? I've seen a few photos. I saw that Maddie was there. So I think we could probably put to rest this idea that, I don't know, he missed.

Clearly, he was going to be a part of the celebration. Yeah. No, the, oh, just because he missed. the first one? Yeah, there was a lot of chatter about that. Oh, but I, but like everybody missed the first one. I don't think any, like, nobody else from the band was there. I don't think. And they were all there at this one. Yeah, no, this was clearly the big guest wedding. Um, okay. I don't think this is like, as a rebuttal to any of that discourse. I think this is just because Maddie Healy is Maddie Healy. It did strike me as very funny that in the photos of the ceremony or the end of their ceremony,

he's like jumping up and down and like fist pumping. Everyone else is clearly like very happy and they've just witnessed a beautiful ceremony. But like they're all just sort of like sitting and clapping and cheering and Maddie is like, Wahoo! Well, did you see the video of him going to see James Taylor in Raleigh, North Carolina?

Yes, I did. So Maddie Healy gets excited about lots of things. I mean, he was in tears at James Taylor. You could say like a, tattooed golden retriever is maybe the attitude that comes through there. He gets excited about other people. It's great. So first of all, this is sort of not for anything, but I'm going to a wedding where this

wedding took place in Sicily next year, and I'm just really excited to get to inhabit that space. Do you think there's something weird about Charlie's brand now being so closely affiliated with cigarettes. You are so desperate to talk about cigarettes. I'm not. All I remember from the Mary Kate and Ashley Olson wedding, one of them got married. And like all I remember is like they, like the press reported that they had like big jars of cigarettes on the table. Oh yeah. They were handing them out. Yeah.

It's like, well, not as part of, but that was part of their brand as well. Here, have some cancer. Let's celebrate. Like, what do we think? that's anyway. I mean, it is like, smoking is really back in terms of people using it as a means to like look cool in ways that I do wish we weren't going down that path because it's really bad for you. But Charlie, my queen can do no wrong. So I'm just going to choose to be a hypocrite about that and not care. Okay. She did. For their night before party, they had like, they were clearly in some beautiful courtyard and everybody's having apparel spritzes. And one, there is a photo of her just like in repose in a chair in front of this tray of spritzes smoking a cigarette. And I think it was Pop Crave. One of the aggregator accounts called the Apral Spritzes like in front of a tray of neon orange drinks.

because charl like okay is her brand tied to cigarettes or is her brand tied to neon colors because it was like nobody can conceive of being able to talk about charlie xx with xx without making it about the colors i found that really funny i thought the picture was remarkably similar to there's a picture of febe waller bridge at after the emmys after she won oh my god iconic image it looked very similar to me Hannah Eindbinder kind of also did that after the Emmys this year, although she was like on a balcony smoking a cigarette. Again, like everybody's smoking. Maybe it wasn't a cigarette, actually. But she was smoking something.

Here's the other thing that I just, I need to hear your take on. So according to Just Jared, they walked back down the aisle. So they, you know, they process, they get married. Ceremony looked so cute. Every picture, George is just like weeping. He's just weeping and like wiping tears from his face. I thought it was very sweet. And they're already married.

Yeah, they're totally already married. But I think that's really, really nice. But so then they get second married or fake married because they're already married or whatever. My mom also did this. We've talked about it. And then they walk back down the aisle to like, you know, as a married couple. I can't even get it out without laughing. To hero by Enrique Iglesias.

Enrique Iglesias is big star. I'm not doubting it. I'm not denying it. Maddie Healy goes to James Taylor concerts. Expect the unexpected from these guys. They love chill, melodic ballads. I can be your hero, baby. It's on brand for me.

I think so too, but it is also, like, just put yourself in that moment. Put yourself sitting in one of the rows. You're watching Charlie and George exchange their vows. Again, George is just like weeping. Charlie is wearing a naked dress. Did you want, die with a smile? I definitely didn't want Die with a smile. But I don't know.

That's a good question. It's a really good question. But like something that cheesy, I have to commend them for it. I would have been like, it starts the play. And you just so many people there had to have had a moment when they were like, wait. Is this hero? I think we're like hero right now? The ridiculousness is on brand.

I really like it. I really, really like it. I also, I would love to know whose idea that was. Like, does George go to Charlie and he's like, babe, babe, I got a great idea. After we get married, you know what we should play? Hero. And she's like, ha ha, that would be funny. Or is it the other way around? I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know. I can't believe in the vacuum as we await a Taylor Swift album. We're speculating about why an Enrique Iglesia song was played for, I could do this. I could do this for six hours. I know. George is like, that's the thing is

George is kind of an enigma to me. I think he's an enigma to everyone. Well, not to Charlie. I think that's why she married him. You think, I don't know. I feel like they get each other. I feel like they have something special. And then everybody after the wedding

apparently partied in a quote unquote rave cave. until nine o'clock in the morning the next day. Maybe that's the radiohead bunker. Same thing. The radio head, maybe the real radio head bunker was the rave cave in Sicily after the Charlie X, X, X, X, Wetting.

Absolutely. I have to say, I do think that a party with her would cure me. I never want to go to an after party until nine o'clock in the morning. I never want to do it. It's too late. That's too much. There's too much.

Like, you can't, and I'm not, I don't mean to be, like, speculating or whatever, but I also think that Charlie's pretty out in the open. You can't do that unassisted by substances. I just don't think it works. These people are in their 30s. I don't think they've ever hidden that fact. Well, no, that's why I'm saying. I don't think it's inappropriate for me to speculate. Okay.

Okay. allegedly. Yes, allegedly. Another thing I thought was funny is that Biba Doobie was there. Well, Biba Doobie was managed at one point by the dirty hit folks who managed the 1975. So there's sort of creative and business connections to Bibadooby. Okay. Well, then I guess that makes more sense. It's like, Bibadubi.

I paid almost no attention to this because I already saw that. them married. Yeah, no, I, they certainly didn't make a big deal out of it. And there was a, it's, I only started paying attention to it once I saw some of the details of it, because I actually do think the details of it are really funny. But it wasn't, like, there are no, at least that I've seen, nobody got like sanctioned photos. Every photo of this is like a grainy paparazzi photo. There are highly comical, ridiculous people who are polished in many ways and unpolished in others.

I know. I really love that for it. I really love that for it. People ostensibly putting on an apparel sprits, you know, she-she wedding with Enrique Iglesias in and of itself is a funny, it's funny sketch comedy. It's really, I am really charmed by it. Well, congratulations to Charlie and George. again, fall in love again and again,

as some might say. All right, another thing that happened on Sunday. Taylor Swift went to the Chiefs game, maybe behind a wall. Yeah. Here's what we can say for sure. A large black wall

was walked in to the underground of Arrowhead Stadium with several people including someone that looked like her bodyguard and someone who looked like her mother, uh, striding along behind it. It didn't look like she was there. Do you really, wait, okay, interesting.

You don't think that she was there. Did anybody get a picture of her there? Not that I've seen. Every other time she's been at a game. I know. I know. And it happened at halftime. And it's just weird.

It's not weird. Like, step back to 30,000 feet. like the temperature of the country is super high in the wake of the Charlie Kirk shooting on the list of highly targeted people who get affiliated with anything on either side of the political spectrum. Taylor Swift has to be top five, maybe top three. You've seen it in the documentary. You've seen it everywhere else. Like if I'm her security team, I am not wanting her on Sunday to go to a place where a hundred thousand people are going to be and are expecting her to be in a single location that's been marked with like just like what are we doing why what's

the point let's when both she and the president of this country were at the super bowl last year i've never wanted to exit a stadium faster in my entire life right i was just like oh yeah i don't want to be here right now yeah i mean and in this regard let me because there's nothing funny about any of this. No. And, I mean, they infiltrated the security team in Austria and almost attacked the show

last summer. Like, she is a target. It's just the truth. And it's the awful truth of being her. It's why that the courage that she showed to get up the next week in London and she didn't say anything at the time. She just went and did the show and finally

later on commented on it. I think there's no doubt that, you know, that was out of concern, and I think it's going to affect the frequency with which we see her. And, you know, God, is there no other elevator bank in all of Arrowhead to get her up there, you know, in sort of covertly get her into a suite to see it? I just, I don't blame them at all. So that was my first thought when I saw it was like, okay, obviously in the past, she's always walked in and there have been photos and it's been very public facing and she's in the front row of the suite and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

this was different, and that was my first thought as to why it would be. It was also over the top weird. Like, when you roll out the wall, of course, everybody's going to be like, something's going on. But so do you think that she wasn't actually there? No, I have no idea. I just, it's weird that if she was there, nobody got a photo. Do you think that it's possible that she comes in behind the wall and then goes to, I should look up Kansas City has one of these.

Most teams do. But most teams have some sort of friends and family lounge. Yeah. Like maybe she just doesn't. Maybe she wants to be there for when the game ends. Maybe she wants to leave with Travis or something.

But every time he's left with her, they've been on film or camera. Yeah. So something concerted was worked out with the team. If she went for a half of football to then leave and go to the Mahomes' birthday party afterwards, right? Yeah.

Well, and I can, again, like, I can see why this week of all weeks would be a time when she gets worried and changes how she's operating. Right. It does strike me as, like, at a certain point, why go to the game? That's where I was. What are we doing? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it does have something to do with going to the after party, because she did go to the after party.

because she did go to the after party at Patrick and Travis's new steakhouse. There is a defiance in her, though, that's like, hey, I'm going to live my life. I mean, that was going back up on stage in London. I just, the execution of it, and listen, they were relying on a lot of people from the team. You know, that all happened on Wednesday. And so the game was on Sunday. So there weren't that many days to prep. And you got to coordinate a lot of stuff.

So I don't fault anybody for it being clunky. I'm cool with not seeing Taylor. Swift for a while. Yeah, no, totally. For her own safety. Like, I, I, in the, this is notable because it's so different from what she's done in the, in the recent past, to me, it's much more striking that she's been so public about walking in and out of there.

I would actually, like, in the, if I didn't know. It was cool as fuck that she walked in. Well, but if I didn't know how this has been going down for so long, like, I would assume that she would do this all the time. It's just that she doesn't. Right. Would you, if you were in Kansas City, would you go for dinner at the 1587 Steakhouse? 100%.

By the way, Kansas City, great steak town. Very good steak town. Yeah, I mean, high Bartick-clear. I'm sure it's great. You're going, you're ordering the alchemy cocktail. No, but I am going. You're not ordering the alchemy? I don't think that's for me.

Because it sparkles? Yes. Here's Nathan Hummered at 1587 with a neon drink. If anyone from the 1587 press team wants to find a way to like ship us some way to make this so that I can make Nathan drink it on air, that would be really, really fun. Oh, boy. I get it. I get it. I think it's fun.

I like that it glitters, but. Yeah. Look, I assume she's going to be out in public a lot starting around the release of this album in a few weeks. So everybody take a chill and deep breath and let's get ready for an album. Can I hijack this podcast for like five minutes to just say that the chiefs are maybe not great? They're not good. We should all just sort of calibrate our expectations based on that. Yeah, this is going to be a weird season for them, isn't it?

Yeah, I think so. I mean, Patrick had not lost three games in a row, which now they have, if you go back to the Super Bowl, since like really early days in college, I believe. And he actually, even though he was a very highly regarded prospect by the time he left college for his sort of raw abilities, he was not, he went to Texas Tech. like he was not at a super super win every game kind of powerhouse. So they're in like a just a very different spot than they really have been since he started playing regularly for them.

Routinely though, it takes teams that get to the Super Bowl, historically anyway, oftentimes a bit to get started and get going again, right? Now, that's being countered by how, the Eagles seem to be playing in their title defense. But you wouldn't fault these guys who've climbed to the mountains so many times for starting a little bit slow out of the gate. It's definitely true.

If Travis doesn't drop that ball or if Mahomes puts it on his body, depending on how you want to assign criticism for the play, that the Eagles intercepted and came up, like, Kansas City could have won that game. Yeah, totally. Or like if if they had Rishie Roshy Rice and Xavier Worthy in the lineup, that pass might not even go to Travis in the first place, right? So it's absolutely... Travis doesn't look bad, though, does he? Like, he's running routes. He's making catches.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he made it great. He, like, the one where he picked it up off his shoelaces was a very, like, savvy vet type of play. Travis is not... Travis is not Travis is three years ago, and he's not going to be. And to some extent, they have... built that offense around the idea that he still kind of is. And in particular, when some of the other guys who have a little bit more explosive ability, like worthy, like Rice are not in there. By the way, I think the thing that they're doing with Rishi Rice wearing the like free four t-shirts is really corny and Travis should not like...

The guy drag raced like a Lamborghini and... put a bunch of people's lives in serious jeopardy and caused a six-car pile up. Let's not act like he's being unfairly targeted for smoking pot one time or something. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I just thought that was a silly thing for them to do as a team. We'll see. It's a lot. Like, I think they'll be fine.

I think they'll be, like, totally in the playoff race. but I do think that like there has been just this experience particularly for people who sort of checked in on the chiefs within the last year or so where it's been this like magical thing where they win every game and I think some of that is coming back to the other side of regression. Okay. And so do you think that the events of this week, both Taylor seemingly hiding and the team not being maybe what everyone on that team had hoped.

Do you think that changes whether she's actually going to do the Super Bowl? No. I think the only, I think the only consideration, you've like totally changed my thinking on this because I think the, the question is, does she want this as a showcase for this album? And I just think that she has to, she's going to make a decision about would she have some other way of touring it that wouldn't require her to do something of the scale of the Eres tour. And if not, is this the best opportunity? I will say, and I'm sorry that I'm forgetting the name of the person that DM'd me this, but I hadn't thought about this. So I thought it was a good point.

We should all remember that the Super Bowl is in Santa Clara this year, which I know we do because of the sourdough and blah, blah, blah, blah. but it's a West Coast Super Bowl, which means that it's going to be, and that's a, that's an open air stadium. So it's going to be light out during, during halftime, probably, which does sort of change the vibe of the show. It's sort of like when she was in Europe at the beginning of the European leg of eras. And all of a sudden, a lot of things that most people in the U.S. had been experiencing, you know, in darkness when all the lights feel the brightest and it has that sort of shine in electricity, that's not going to be the case. I don't really think that that matters, but like, and she could kind of lean into it and do the lover sunset, that whole thing. But

most of that show, I think, is going to be in at least kind of twilight. Or rain. Yes, I suppose that's true as well. I don't know. I'm holding out for more info. Well, we're going to have plenty of time to talk about Taylor Swift in the coming weeks, Nora. I know. It's very exciting. All right. But in the meantime, it was good to check in. It was good to chat. Nice to get some updates from you, Nathan. This has been every single album. As always, I'm Nora Preciati. He's Nathan Hubbard. Thank you to Kaya McMullen for producing this episode and to you for listening. We will talk to you next week.