Every Single Album - The "Swift-Quake," Last Leg of the US Eras Tour, and '1989 (Taylor's Version)' Rumors | Every Single Album: Taylor Swift

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

Nora and Nathan talk about the news that Taylor Swift's concert in Seattle was so loud it caused seismic activity equal to a 2.3 magnitude earthquake (1:00). Then they gear up for the final US leg of the Eras Tour in LA, and debate whether or not she'll announce '1989 (Taylor's Version)' at one of the shows (24:03). Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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album, Taylor Swift, the mayor of Santa Clara. You know, they also, they made you the mayor. That's the new title for the pod. Just for today, I'm Nora Prunciotti, and as always, I am here with Nathan Hubbard, who is less than a week away, correct, from seeing the heiress tour yet again in Los Angeles. Nathan, say hello to the people. I'm going Thursday. I can't wait.

I told you, in a recent podcast. that I can never remember what year it is. I also can never remember what day it is. So you were putting together friendship bracelets. I assume with your daughters, although if you were doing it by yourself, I would have an immense amount of respect for that as well. And I got an over the weekend,

in my head you were going over the weekend. And I had a really busy, I'm just telling you this for the first time now, but I have a confession, which is that I spent probably 60% of my Sunday, which was really, busy, we were moving stuff, whatever, blah, blah, blah, no one cares. But I spent like 60% of my Sunday being like, I need to find out what Nathan's surprise songs were.

I need to find out what Nathan's surprise songs were. And then I started looking it up and was like, wait, Santa Clara, that's not this weekend. So, anyway, how's it going? How are the bracelets? I'm kind of glad I didn't go Saturday for stay, stay, stay and all the girls you've loved before. Girls you loved before live. I don't know. Pretty good. Yeah, it's all pretty good, but it wasn't the best. It wasn't like somebody's favorite night ever. Although my brother was there and he said it was awesome and they had a great time. He got on a plane in Minneapolis last minute, totally spontaneous, flew to Santa Clara. He met because his wife was there. It was their anniversary and he took her to the show. And then he got back on a plane, and not just any plane, Sun Country. When you're flying Sun Country, anywhere.

An airline I'm only familiar with from like random Google flights results. Fascinating. Yeah. When you're trusting your existence to Sun Country, there really is a cultural phenomenon. But he had a great time. The show was awesome. And, you know, there's no complaints. We're coming up on the end of this.

I can't believe that the North American dates. are over in basically a week, Nora. Basically a week. Six shows in Los Angeles. I believe you're going to three of them, you lucky duck. Culminating, you're going to be there on the ninth, right?

I am going to be there, yes. Well, are you expecting anything? I think we are expecting something, aren't we? Yeah, I am. It's eight nine. Eight nine in Los Angeles. Come on. The bio was changed.

She's cleared the decks on social media. Yes. Yep. That's a telltale sign that something's coming. I think we're going to get a 19-9 announcement. It may not come out until deeper into the fall, but I think she wants to use the stage as a platform for one last parting gift, Nora. Aw, that would be fun.

I love a gift. I hope it doesn't come out while she's on stage on the ninth. And I wouldn't, I don't think it would. I hope there's some sort of lead-up. The funny thing is, I feel like we've been, you know, clowning our rears off as usual, about 1989, Taylor's version.

Probably mostly me, but I think both of us a little bit. Yes. And the funny thing is, like, we both completely agree and have agreed for months that, like, it's coming. It's just a matter of when

and it's soon and all of that. And yet every time there's a new Easter egg or a new sort of goalpost, I go, oh my gosh, 1989 is coming, which is the third? thing that I already think is true, but I'm just excited all over again. So that's what happened to me

with her reverting all the socials back from Speak Now, Taylor's version to all of the Midnight's photos that she'd been using. But I'm glad that you agree. And I hope that it does. I'm in a magnanimous mood today, even though I got my butt kicked last week in our draft. I hope you got incredible surprise songs, and I hope you get a Speak Now, Taylor's Version announcement, or in 1989, Taylor's Version announcement. Yes. I appreciate that very much. Speaking of clowning, you've seen this ridiculous story, not story, but fan, clown rabbit hole that's been falling down over the billboards and whether she's actually doing a Broadway show and that that's the announcement that's coming? Okay. Explain this a little bit more because I've seen it and I don't

fully understand the reasoning. I'm here to say it's a bunch of shit and we should not be honoring its presence on this podcast. But it looks like Spotify took out a couple billboards to promote their era's little gimmick thing in the app that was nice and fun and that I went through. And it gave you a chance to see, to rank your favorite eras and then see what your listening habits actually reflect. And it turns out that two of those billboards, one in Nashville and one in Los Angeles, were rented out on streets that are called Broadway. The third in New York was rented out in Times Square, which is basically where Broadway is.

And the fourth... Also where all the billboards are. Well, right. And the fair. And the fourth, this person said, was exactly 13 miles away from Broadway. Which is where I, really, that's where I just hopped right off the bandwagon.

I was totally off the wagon on that. one. She's got too much going on. Listen, it may be that she's writing and directing something, but it's going to be a film and we know that. She has no time for a Broadway show. Don't be ridiculous. Stop getting crazy. Right now, I will add as an addendum, the Taylor Swift musical is going to exist someday. And I hope it's awesome, because if done well, it'll be incredible. And I look forward to it. As someone who loves Mamma Mia and I saw that wacky abah hologram show a couple months ago, I'm kind of into it. I kind of want her to do it someday, but not for like many, many years.

Yeah. Let's have that be the like fat Elvis chapter of the career. Like, we don't need that right now. I don't want to get in the way. I don't want to get in the way of the like flow that she's got going right now. She's crushing. Let's not Broadway show is, it's a lot of work. All these things are a lot of work.

Let's let her be in her element, do her thing. It appears she's still running into the studio, making more songs. Don't screw this up, Nora, please, for me. What did I do? How did I get involved in this? You sound like a heavy advocate for the Broadway thing. And she is a giant theater nerd, in the best possible way. Yeah, let's just save that for the late stage Elvis part of the career.

In the right hands at the right time, a Taylor-Stee's musical would be absolutely spectacular. I'm just saying. But I mean, like a Taylor Swift Carnival ride would probably be spectacular. I mean, this is a brand that can port. What's crazy about the Taylor Swift situation right now is that for all of the stances that she's taken publicly in support of artists and, you know, some of her political views and the ways that she's used words, she hasn't actually done much of a foray into brand building

herself. She's endorsed Diet Coke. She's endorsed Capital One. She's endorsed kids. But outside of that, there's no, you know, the last consumer product was your favorite, Wonderstruck. Other than that, there just isn't that much right now. And I think that's been a fairly conservative approach to the brand because she hasn't wanted

to take too much of a risk to mess it up. And she's busy with other shit. So, you know, if she can't be CEO the thing, it seems like that's not something that she wants to get involved in. Anyway, the point is a Broadway show is a meaningful brand. extension. You remember, you two, the first, like, chink in the U2 armor for me was that Spider-Man thing that they did the music for that did not go well. Okay, but that went historically badly. That was one of the most disastrous shows, like,

ever in the history of onstage performance. Then they started stuffing their album on people's iPhones without asking and shit just started flowing downhill from there. So, there's a curse, Nora. There could be a Broadway curse. That U2 album, I don't remember exactly what it was that happened. But that came out, it was when I was in college and I was covering my college basketball team and they were playing at a tournament in Hawaii. And I was like doing everything I could to be the person who got to go to Hawaii to cover

the tournament. But, you know, it was my college newspaper that was sending me. So talk about Sun Country Airlines or whatever it is. I had this absolutely ridiculous like three layover flight plan and I was by myself and it was just a weird trip, although very fun and very cool to get to do that. But somehow, probably not related to all of the weird logistics, but it just feels wrapped up into it because the whole exercise was so chaotic. All the music off my phone got wiped or I got like disconnected for my iTunes account or something and it just wasn't downloading or something. an album over and over again on that whole trip. So the only thing I had to listen to for like four days by myself and why was that you too well.

Oh, boy. I still have nightmares about that. All right. Enough. What I want to talk about first today is the story that I'm having a lot of fun with. And I think we can have our first little science corner here on every single album, summer of Taylor Swift. And I'm sure a lot of the dedicated swifties who have been listening to this pod,

and also following all of the stories around the tour, have seen or read or heard that there was some seismic activity a couple weekends ago during the Seattle shows. It's being called the Swiftquake. And we have some updates. The scientific community has dug in, released some findings. And first of all, I took notice of this because the Beast quake, which was something that happened during a 2010 NFC wildcard game between

the Seahawks and the Saints. Part of why I took note of it is because, you know, that's from the other part of my content universe. What happened was that Marshawn Lynch, who's a famous Seahawks running back, scored this amazing touchdown. It was 67-yard rushing touchdown. He broke like 10 separate tackles over the course of running it down the field. And the crowd, which in Seattle, that stadium is known for being like the loudest and the most raucous. They call it the 12th man. They were so crazy that a seismic activity monitor nearby registered it as a small earthquake. Marshaun Lynch, still on his feet, has blockers now.

He's dancing his way for the touchdown. And so that touchdown has been called the Beastquake touchdown. It's sort of like a famous thing in football lore. I don't mean to be mansplaining this to our listeners who know that or my B. Seahawks fans or whatever. But if you're not into football, you might not have ever heard of that. It's a big deal. The Swift Quake was significantly bigger. And now it's a little bit different, right?

Because with the Beesquake, you're talking exclusively about crowd noise, whereas with the Swift Quake, you're combining the noise of the concert itself with the noise that the fans are making. But there were two massive peaks. And I don't want to go too far down, down the rabbit hole. Yes, you do. Well, no, so what I was going to say is I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole of describing visuals on an audio medium. But seriously, go, like, check out some of the reporting on this because people did, like, I love science. Science is so cool.

You can see the readouts of how over the course. of the concert, the ground was shaking. And the coolest thing is that there were, there are basically five peaks that you could see. There's a great Washington Post article that has a visual, which people should go look at. There's five big peaks of activity, but the two biggest happened around 830 and at 1030. One caveat is the story that I was reading was not totally clear on which night that was referring to. They said that one of the coolest things was that for the different shows

where they measured it in Seattle, the patterns were basically identical so you could see like the swelling and the crowd going crazy over the course of the concert. They said they came at, the two biggest came at basically the same time if you adjusted for the fact

that one of the shows started like half an hour late. So I am assuming that when they say, 8.30 and 1030, I'm assuming they're measuring off the one that started a little bit late because it would make sense to me that the biggest one, which when you look at the readout comes right at the beginning, that's got to be her coming on stage going into Kroll Summer, which then interested me to try to figure out where the other biggest ones were. So do you have any guesses before I present my theory? I have a million guesses. I think I'd like to hear your crazy-ass theory first. And,

just make fun of that. Okay, first of all, I don't think it's crazy at all. I think it's incredibly logically sound. Well, it probably is. So I'll tell you what I guessed initially, which was that I thought that reputation was going to have huge readouts.

And I thought that in part because I sort of assumed that songs that have a ton of bass, right? Those sort of like ground-shaking feeling things. Yeah. would register really significantly. Plus, you know, coupled with how into don't blame me,

I think people have gotten for this tour, which is so cool. Like, I just thought that would be a huge one. I actually think that's not it, though. Because if you look at the readout, you can see where the lull forevermore. And also for the surprise songs is. And so what that means is that you can kind of... A role for the surprise songs. Because they're...

Because it's not a big cheering time. It's not that people don't care about it, but that's a quieter moment. But for some of the surprise songs, like when she's... When people have figured out what she's doing, they've gone bananas. So they...

You're right that there's like a big, roar at the beginning. But I think like, and the people who took the readings said this too, the thing that makes it just unbelievably impressive

is how long the giant stretches of like ground shaking energy go. So the best guess, right, is that the big spikes coincide

more with like big numbers where people are really involved over a longer period of time. So. Come on. Out with it. Long story short, I think the red section is the big spike. I was going to say, is it all too well or is it before that? So I think it's before. I think it's more like the 22.

We are never ever going to get back to the hat moment kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting. because there's another element to this where the Guinness record, the winning result for the loudest crowd noise ever, was not from the beastquake, but was also at that same field.

A few years later, the Seahawks crowd sort of made a point to do it, and they registered the most decibels. I think that's how they measured it. And it's in the Guinness Book of World Records. And it occurred to me that it's possible that Taylor could have topped it. If that's the case, though, you sort of have to try to figure out

how much of this is coming from the actual crowd noise versus the songs and, you know, all the heavy bass that they're using for some of them and how that's going to shake the stadium. Are we sure it wasn't the Heim sisters doing their little drum routine?

Incredible. That's my goodness book of world records. That's the Nora Book of World Records for just being incredible. But look, my overworked scientific theory here is that if you try to do a close read of these peaks and you get the biggest moments, my best guesses, being cruel summer, love story, the red section, a little hard to tell whether that's we are never or 22, the hat moment, whatever it is. and then shake it off 1989 stuff. Yeah. Rather than the big reputation stuff, those are sing-alongs.

So to really, really overwork this, my takeaway was that a lot of that was coming from the crowd itself, which is really flipping cool. That's all. My takeaway is that most of American media is going to go into a state of catatonic shock when it no longer has the ability to create clickbait tied to Taylor Swift. Like, what are people going to do?

It is outrageous how many otherwise heretofore respectable brands and news agencies and politicians, well, maybe not respectable heretofore politicians, but people, again, like, she was joking about the fact that she's the mayor of Santa Clara. Like, what the heck is she supposed to do? Have you ever been to Santa Clara? You probably have. That stadium is in the middle of nowhere. It's stuck between San Francisco and San Jose and Silicon Valley.

Like, I don't know. Here's the thing. I just think all these stories. Because she did that that stadium has a curfew. And it might have helped her because she did break it. She did break it. All these stories have become tiresome. I'm ready for people to stop slip streaming and coattailing on.

on Taylor Swift. I mean, I understand it. I understand, but I'm ready for it to be over. I'm ready for my social feed to stop filling up with like Forbes telling me some other way to say that Taylor Swift is making a lot of money or, you know, whatever.

People just hitching the wagon to the tit. It's time to move on to some other clickbait. It's just so funny how through the course of this summer of Taylor Swift, increasingly every single brand, the sports teams doing the interviews with the tiny mics on what your favorite Taylor Swift song is, right? The golfers, like, come on, man. These guys didn't even know Taylor Swift before this summer. I'm over it.

Somebody I know who works at a, like a big buttoned-up corporate law firm got a recruiting email that read, like the subject line was, Lateral Hayes, swiftly enter your new era. Oh, my God. Are you ready for it? Let us help you through the lateral haze and into your next era. It's me. Hi. You're not the problem.

It's the market. Every industry in the country is, I used this phrasing on a sports show recently, cloud chasing on the back of Taylor Allison Swift. I might feel a little differently than you. I find it hysterical and a little bit delightful, but it is getting a tad over the top. Yeah. Everybody wants a piece. It's been pretty exciting.

Yeah. It's like, thank you, Staples for the marketing email, capitalizing on Taylor Swift. No, I don't want another printer cartridge that you've somehow linked to the fourth song on each of the last three albums. Ready to shake it off? Sail on hula hoops. It's just awful. Anyway, I think we're ready. We're ready to move through this.

I do, look, Nora, these last six shows are, I think she's going to, I mean, first of all, the VIP tent's going to be bananas every night. It is going to be a parade that we have not seen since, surprise, surprise, the 1989 Catwalk tour. And I think the amount of just high wattage celebrity, especially because none of these actors are doing anything. just sitting around all day now. So they're all just dying to come to this show. I cannot even tell you what it must be like. I have no idea. But I can imagine what it must be like right now to be the camp trying to determine who is getting into the VIP tent and who is not. It's like Adele arranging the seating for the concert. Right. Where she put Ellen way in the back in Ellen's Was it Seth Rogen got the incredible seat?

Yeah, super stone Seth Rogen was like, what the fuck? Why am I in the front row? I'm so baked right now. Why am I here? Yeah, there's going to be some of that going on. And fortunately, she's got six nights to try to figure out. But it's not like there's 45 people who can get there. But I promise you, she's got probably 145 inquiries from people who definitely are A-list,

and then probably people who think they're A-list. and, you know, so she's just got to go through. This is a total like wedding seating thing that she's dealing with over these next six shows. So it's going to be bananas. Do you think she makes those calls or do you think like, is that a Scott and Andrea? No, no, no.

To be holding the seating chart. I am sure that they bring her a proposal and they probably show her, you know, first, last 10 in, last 10 out. And she can make some swaps some trades. But yeah, I mean... Get out of here, Leo. It's just going to be fascinating to see who's there. I mean, Gigi Hadid was just in San Francisco, right? She was in Santa Clara, passing out guitar picks and run around. Why she decided to go to that show? Don't know. But it's going to be crazy in Los Angeles.

And the hurt feelings of some of the Hoy-Polloy Hollywood crowd who don't get into the VIEI P-Tent. One dumbass is going to make a, you know, like what Travis Kelsey did last week. By the way, has anybody ever, he goes on his podcast, makes the funny joke about how with the friendship bracelets he wanted to give her one with his number on it. So he shoots his shot publicly. And then two days later, he's punching guys in the face and practice. Like way to just totally kill any momentum you might have had, buddy. He never had any momentum. There's nothing to kill. There's a zero percent chance. She's going to date that clown. Yeah, there's no chance.

The All-City guy had a better shot. He was in Santa Clara. So, like, everybody. No way. Yes, that was the report I got. Yes, that's what the report I got was he was in Santa Clara. Just like, not in a tent. Just a civilian. He was there is what I heard.

That's all I heard. I don't know where the location was. If he was in a VIP tent, it was for the exclusive reason. that that enabled someone to keep eyes on him the entire time so that he didn't run up to Taylor and tell her that she was a magical fairy princess from another land or whatever that was. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And Adam Young of Al-City, the closest of everyone.

That's incredible news. My day is made because of this. Wow. Al-Husity guy. Showing up. It was just, it was reported to me that that that has. happen. But who, listen, who knows. What I can tell you is L.A. is going to be like nothing we've ever seen before. And I think this is kind of her victory lap, you know, it's the last chance for the hoi-poly to kiss the ring. It is her breaking records in a stadium that previously, the record held by BTS, which I think is a very intentional statement. And we know how much she loves records, right?

And it's also going to be just her last time to really communicate in this way to the American public. So I'm expecting very big things between August 3rd and August 9th. Do your girls have any surprise songs that are that are hot on the list? I mean, yes, there are, you know, there's this one song called New Romantics. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of it. You know what? It's not just that New Romantics is left. I think I know Places is left too.

She could announce 1989 Taylor's version and play my two favorite songs from 1989. Yep. Yep. There's a lot. Listen, I think we're getting Mary's song. I'm pretty sure we're getting Mary's song. I'm pretty sure we're getting I can see you. I mean, there's some really good stuff.

You are in love. Oh. That would be good. So here's the thing. I'm really like, I feel like I'm being wishy-washy on this. And I want to be honest, I will be both happy for you, but also eternally jealous if you get new romantics. The thing is, it's not really a, it's just, it's not like an acoustic song to me. So there's also part of me that where like you're in love would be really, really cool in that setting.

So lots of interesting choices left. I have, I have, I am hoping that Boney Bear comes out of. and they do eggs up. I think I've seen this film before, and I didn't like the end day. I'm hoping that that's like a thing that she gets done one of those nights. It would be weird

because he's probably in a cabin in Wisconsin, but that's, and whatever the opposite of hoping that Brendan comes out and they do me together, that's how I feel about. Me. How about Exile?

I mean, if they bring me Christmas tree farm, I wouldn't be upset, but I don't think she's going that route. It's not Christmas in August. We're doing a little bit of, and we should be celebrating this because it's a huge accomplishment and it's really exciting. And I hope that it is a sort of triumphant celebratory thing in Los Angeles, which I think it will be because she deserves it. And it's been this cool, crazy summer. And for as much as we're making fun of everybody for riding on the coattails, it's cool to see the entire world go absolutely nuts over Taylor Swift. Just so that we acknowledge it.

Tor's not over. Yeah. Tours keeping going for quite some time. Going worldwide. Going to be really cool. I'm going to be in Mexico City. Yeah. It's still going.

There's a lot more to do. How's outfit prep going? Saw you had some friendship bracelets in the works. You know that nice t-shirt that you had made for me? Yeah. I think I'm going to wear that one. Your brother really was the catalyst. But I helped.

Well, you participated. I think I'm going to word that one. We were co-conspirators. We were, we no-body-no-crime did it. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, I'm not sure. I'm just hoping that we're going to see some people who listen to the pod there, I think.

That's going to be fun. Really, really cool. All right. That was mostly what I wanted to talk about with you today. However, before we go, I just want to spend a moment acknowledging Hym is crushing it. Talk to me about this. So part of this I have to acknowledge is just that they're incredible at TikTok, which is... They really are great at TikTok.

I'm going to be hungover. I'm going to be hungover. I'm going to drink a bunch of different drinks. I'm going to be hungover. They are so good at it. And that has become... Taylor's dad, TikTok, was pretty good. It was very good.

I love a chameleonair drop. Absolutely love a chameleonair drop. I've been on a segue once in my life, and I found it pretty unruly. Scott Swift seems to handle that thing with ease. It's very smooth. If you're going stadium to stadium on a tour, there is nothing.

going on. You have to be on site probably at like three. They don't go on until nine. There is nothing going on. Like, you can get awesome at something as ridiculous as Segway. You can get your 10,000 hours, though. Bows of a stadium. Because for people who haven't been in the bowels of the stadium, you probably have interviewing people. Like, they're not, there's nothing glamorous. It's all scaffolding and a few like rooms where maybe there's a nice little spread of food. But for the most part, it's just a big belly of concrete and steel. There's nothing to do. Well, but also, like, wide concrete hallways. Hallways. Yeah. Where if you were to just absolutely scoot your Scott Swift heart out. Yeah. Would be very, very tempting. Yeah. You can fly like a wingsuit through there if you

really wanted to. That's the next TikTok. I want to see is Scott Swift in a wingswist. suit. He just becomes like a stuffy roof. Yeah. Just disrupting LAX landing traffic. He could do the next.

He could start doing the next Taylor Lautner stunt doubles. Famously unnecessary up to this point. But anyway, I love that he's getting awesome and totally unnecessary hobbies. It's just a great.

It's a great thing. It's a classic tour move. classic tour move great TikTok you're absolutely right Heim incredible at TikTok so I should say that I think some of this feeling

and some of this thought is coming from that is now my dominant form of social media and like they're just so good at it but watching Heim wear the bejewed gowns

to do nobody no crime and just like make these ridiculous videos together do I'm going to be hungover, get everybody involved in that. Haim is just crushing it. I'm going to drink a bunch of different drinks in.

I'm going to be hungover. I just, that's like all I had to say is just, I'm so happy for them. I'm so happy they're in my life. I'm so happy that they have in a more literal sense been in Taylor's life for a really long time now. And that has been a huge source of joy for me as they have joined this West Coast Swing of the Ares tour.

So just, just, simply shout out Heim. I have something to say about this, though, because I agree with you that they're awesome. And if you are going to these Los Angeles shows, get there early, see it. I don't understand why they're not bigger. And they should be bigger.

They have the songs. They have now the live act. I think their live act now is way better. I mean, I saw him play at the Hollywood Bowl, yes, like a year ago. And that set was so much better than when I saw them play on the, I guess it was the 1989 tour. I just think their game has upped in a big way. They have the songs.

They've got, as you say, all the personality possible that translates on stage, on screen. They are not afraid to, you know, they've got the right tradeoff of taking themselves seriously as artists on stage, but also being able to laugh at themselves, all of the things that you want. The question for me from a business perspective is why is this not a massive arena touring act? Because it's not yet. And let's see if they get the coattail pull

and the slipstream pull from doing this tour again. But I think there's something, they are right on the precipice of being a big-ass band. They should be a big-ass band. And I don't know exactly what that is. they've gone from manager to manager on the business side of things, which I don't get the, you know, I think just like a football team, sometimes you need a team there in place for a long time so it can gel for it. And I think when you keep changing horses, sometimes that has an impact.

But I don't get it. Norred, is there any reason that I'm missing as to why these three sisters aren't, you know, way bigger. I don't mean to, like, blame the patriarchy, although I sort of do. Like, I do think part of it is girl bands are hard. Even, like, you need... Fucking Black Pink is killing it. That's different. It's different when, like, it's...

Often you need, like, an individual personality to kind of become... Boy Genius is killing it. But Phoebe Bridgers is bigger than Boy Genius. Like, I don't think so. Boy genius bigger than Haim? I don't know if that's true. Yes, I think they are. But negligible.

Like, I guess I could be wrong, but I would group them into the same sort of strata. And I think in part, it's hard when people don't know which member to latch on to, which is dumb. And the beauty of Haim and, like, one of the things that's just so much fun is that they're all sisters and they have a lot in common, but they have individuality and it's just fun to see them be a trio and interact with each other and make all those funny videos and just be awesome. And you see the effect that it has on the people who spend the time to get to know them to get to know their music where you have people like Taylor Swift, who I know it's a little bit of a bit, but like she wants to be the fourth hym sister. We all want to be the fourth time sister. I do. You do. Like,

No, I'm good. When you're in it, it's so obvious. The Owl City guy wants to be the fourth hybe sister. Well, of course. He wants to, yes. I mean, he'll be like the cousin of the fourth hym sister if it gets him close to the VIP tent. I guess that's just what I would posit as a theory is that sometimes it's hard.

I think it's hard for a group that doesn't have an art. articulated front person. Maybe. I think it's all there. I think I would love to see them with, I don't know. I think there's probably some business and brand stuff that could tip it over because it sure feels like all the pieces are there and they need the right, they need the right Svengali to partner with them. And I wish Taylor Swift had time because she could probably make it happen. She's doing the best you can right now. Haim Rules.

This has been every single album. Taylor Swift. We got one more installment of the summer of Taylor Swift coming at you guys next week. A little bit later than usual because we're going to wait for the conclusion of the LA shows and

any exciting updates that happen over the course of that run. I'm Nora Preciati. As always, he has been Nathan Hubbard. Thank you for listening. And thank you to our fabulous producer, Kai McMullen for all of her production work on this episode. And we'll talk to you soon.