Every Single Album - The Winners and Losers of the 2026 Grammys

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

No matter what, Cher is a winner in our eyes. Nora and Nathan recap the 2026 Grammy ceremony by naming the biggest winners and losers from the event, with winners including Bad Bunny (1:00) and Lauryn Hill’s surprise performance (22:55) and losers including some of the Best New Artist performances (43:06) and Billie Eilish’s “Wildflower” winning Song of the Year (54:20). Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to every single album. I'm Nora Pryanti, and I am joined, as always, by my friend Nathan Hubbard, who watched the Grammys on Sunday night. Do you think Cher watched the Grammys? I think Cher participated in the Grammys from a higher plane of existence than any of us could possibly hope to achieve. Wow. I mean, sure. Yeah, well, so we're going to do winners and losers. We're going to just talk about the show.

I had a lot of fun watching the show. I want to hear how you felt about it because I know you entered with a little bit of trepidation, David. But I will say that, like, the ending sequence between the fabulous Lauren Hill DeAngelo tribute. Oh, yeah. Share. Getting a Lifetime Achievement Award that, like, maybe she knew was happening,

maybe not walking off the stage coming back to announce record of the year. Nobody knew. That was the worst produced segment in the history of television. Suddenly Trevor knows like, surprise, here you go. Lifetime Achievement Award. Except that it's a testament to not producing well then because it was an incredible moment. It was like Kendrick thought it was so funny that Cher had said that Luther Van Tross won record of the year.

I mean, he handled it like the consummate pro. Once again, you cannot throw Lute. You cannot throw Kendrick off his game. He was such a little cutie. Just a big smile. I loved that suit. I thought his whole vibe was super fun. But like from that moment through Bad Bunny album of the year,

sometimes once you get past 11 p.m. on the East Coast, I feel like you're just kind of, even though it's the big award, you're like, all right, we're into the fourth hour of this and I need it to wrap up. Right. And there were moments in the show when I was like, okay, this is dragging guys. Let's pick up the pace. But that closing 20 minutes or whatever it was, I was thrilled. I was having the time of my life.

So tell me a little bit about it. Was it Harry's green shoes or? I'm going to be honest. I love our guy. I thought that outfit was crazy. Oh, what was wrong with it? First of all, all night, everybody's, like, oh, Harry's not coming. He's not showing. Just because he didn't walk the red carpet.

Great job by just making him a scarcity and just rolling him in through the hallways when it's time for Harry to come on. He's dressed somewhere between like super casual and super formal. I still don't know. I'll let you tell me what that outfit was. He looked great. And we got like a very handsome man hug between Bad Bunny and Harry Styles. Oh my gosh. I will, I'll, I'll, I'll, I, I won't name names, but one of my friends, the fact that Harry did the, you know, the two fingers in the mouth whistle thing, uh, congratulating bad bunny. That did a lot for a lot of people. Okay.

And it did not go unnoticed. I love Harry. I was so happy to see Harry. I think that there is a way to pull off like casual dressing for a formal event where you look like you don't, it's, you know, you're a little too cool for school in a good way. I was a little bit like, Harry, this is not a jeans event. This is just simply not a jeans scenario And it looked incongruent to me

But that's fine, Harry dresses very well They looked a little shiny What like, can I go back to the whistle thing? Was that like a heated rivalry situation for people? No, it's just, you know, it was again, it's two hunky guys There's sort of a mouth involved. That's all Okay

I thought it was a great moment All right. It was a great moment. It was a great moment. and we've spent a lot of time talking about how Harry kind of left a void that a bunch of people have been trying to fill. And, you know, when we talk about ratings on this show, don't, you know, they're going to be down 9 or 10% year over year.

But last year was up 30% year over year. And that, I think, speaks to what an incredible year we had in 2024 with all of the pop girlies coming out and releasing amazing albums that, you know, with Beards, Beyonce in line to take it all, but you had a Taylor and you had all, Chapel and Charlie and Olivia, everybody, Sabrina, all in line there. I just, I guess, you know, I think that this show was good all the way through. And, like, everybody had been sort of waiting for that moment. And my question to you is, with this gap, this vacancy, waiting for somebody to

Phil Harry, it felt like we were being handheld into its bunny. Bunny's going to happen all night. Trevor Noah is sitting next to him doing the jokes. He's not playing clearly because he's got to do the Super Bowl thing. But like this show was all about Bunny. He wins the award. Did it feel at the end like the intention was for him to be the next big male pop star? Or was that hug more of a, hey, these two guys can coexist.

Oh, they can coexist. But I mean, if the. felt like to me. If the question is, does the bad bunny moment kind of live up to the vacancy that, like, I don't think that he fills the hairy vacancy. I think they are adjacent to each other, but not filling quite the same niche. But like, is it similar in scale and as exciting? To me, like, Bad Bunny is my clear and away first winner because I thought that, first of all,

the way that he played the two wins, winning for Best Music Arbana and then Album of the Year, taking the first win as a moment to get up there and pretty immediately make a statement about ICE and make it specific and make it pointed and start off on that note. We told you it was coming. Sure, yeah. And I'm glad that it's really hard. to predict. Well, but you know what? Like there's there's a way to approach that where where you sort of say like it's unfair that it that those expectations have to be on this

person and should he have to take it in that direction. But like to me, I just think it's very powerful that he did. I think it felt personal. I think it felt appropriate. And then when he he won for album of the year to have that be of the two moments, the one that was more like it was so personal and it was so emotional. And I don't like, I think this was just his genuine reaction. But that moment when he just sat in the chair with his hand on his forehead for like 15 seconds. And then so. Yeah. Like I don't mean to reduce it to this. It was really good TV. And it was more than that. Like it's deeper than that. But I was just like, this is, this is a compelling watch. Like, this is an exciting thing for the show to build too. Usually somebody's getting mauled, right?

their team or by somebody at their table and he was just like there alone with tears in the spotlight. I don't, do you think that was a reflection of the pressure he was feeling? You think that was a reflection of the expectations? I think like part of his charm is that he really, he like feels things. It seems like it's so, it's so hard, I think, to be in the moment, in a moment like that. and he really seems like he lives that way. Where wouldn't any of us want to take a few beats before going up there, but we don't because we go immediately to, okay, I have to hit my marks, I have to do this, I have to go,

I have to thank XYZ people. And like he really seemed capable of letting it sink in and appreciating the moment. And I loved that. You think there's going to be any more people who give that album a chance? Or is there something about it that is just like

foundationally inaccessible because it's not an English? I think both of those things are true. But I also kind of, I think if somebody can't give it a chance because it's not an English, I absolutely know that tons of those people exist. Yeah.

I don't really care to think about them. Like to have that little curiosity, I don't know, man. But we talked about it with the real. Rosalie album too. And by the way, I think his win makes the Rosalie album harder to win next year for the same reason, which is that it's just only accessible to a

certain group of people who are curious enough to understand another language. I guess my hope is that people who vote on these things care enough about craft to get the fuck out of here. Engage to that. I think that they do think they do. I think they do.

I think they can award a on English-speaking album clearly. Yeah. And so I don't think of the Rosalia album as the type of album that the odds are stacked against in a Grammy context. You know, it obviously depends what the competition is and just kind of what are the vibes like in late fall of this year and going into voting. But I think of that as the type of album that is set up to succeed at.

like with Grammy voters. Hmm. Well, we'll see. But let's get back to Bunny. Because what I'm interested in is, I thought he handled the same way Olivia Dean did, handled the statement, the political point,

or the humanitarian compassionate point, I should say, very well. And usually what happens in those award shows is they win one. So they get up on stage and they get out all the messaging that they want, and that's before the big one, right? Then they win the big one, and they can just sort of speak with gratitude, which he did in basically different languages, which was also super cool. But I just wonder, we got a Super Bowl next week. Is Bad Bunny a huge star in America? Yes. Okay. Yes. I think the fact that he is a Spanish language artist

makes the fan base a little different, but to me there is no question that he is huge, huge, huge, huge, huge. I don't think of him, like to a similar point, I don't think of him and someone like Harry, by which I really just mean Harry, because right now it is basically just Harry, as being in a one-to-one conversation

because I do think, I mean, Harry is a global artist, but Bad Bunny is a global artist in a different way. But I do think that he is unquestionably huge to me. And if he, if there's any limit to that by the end of this week, right? I think that is signed sealed and delivered in a new way. Yeah. I also frankly don't think that he would be the Super Bowl halftime artist if he weren't already basically at that place,

but, like, you know, it can only cement it. Yeah. Well, he had eight songs that streamed over a million times yesterday. Taylor had five. Yeah. So that's... No, I mean, look, there's this whole conversation. A very valid one about the surprising element.

of him doing the halftime show, there is another way to look at it, where, you know, particularly if you take into consideration that Taylor was at least soft approached and didn't feel like it was the right time, if she's out, he is next on the list of people who make sense,

of people who are popular enough and exciting enough to do that, unless they go, in a super, you know, throwbacky direction, which generally speaking in this era of the halftime show is not what they've done. Yeah.

Who's your winner, top winner? I'm with you that I think it's Bunny. I think I'm just interested to see whether this telecast and the Super Bowl are going to elevate him in the fandom of English speakers. That's it. It's kind of like how when Taylor got

massive, there were dudes, straight dudes showing up at her show. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah, I just, like, it's a totally interesting element of it, but it also, he's not, like, he doesn't

pander, right? No. No, although I expect his Super Bowl show is going to be apolitical and super inclusive and super positive. And, um, that's going to be his pitch. I think he's going to bring

certainly parts of his like Puerto Rican culture to the stage. There's no doubt. But this is going to be a show where I expect that the creative direction of this show is that people are going to walk away and be like, whoa, was that great?

Not like a, oh, this was just a show for MS now. If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think we think about it a little bit differently. I find it hard to see how he can take that moment and not make some kind of statement out of it, one that goes beyond, can't we all just get along?

Like, I just think that he's capable of a little bit more than that, and I think he's a more interesting person than that. Yeah, but I think that he's not going to think what I'm saying is that he's going to play a show that's for everybody. It's not going to be a message of can't we all just get along, but he's going to play a show that's going to undeniably be for everybody. I think there was some, it was, all of the political statements last night, I thought were reasonable and for the most part, non-cringy. But there's always moments in those shows where it gets to be a little overboard

and where I think that there are, historically, this issue that was on stage last night is, something different and I don't need to get into the details of it. But my sense is that historically there have been awards show political moments that have turned off large portions of the audience. I don't think that's what we're going to get from Bunny. In fact, I think he's going, he's sort of in I'll show you mode. Yeah. Because he's got a show that is for everybody. That's sort of what I mean by it. That is more resonant with me. I just, because if you're asking about, do I think that there are people who are not ever going to engage with it thoroughly because it's not in English. I don't think he

I don't think he's putting on a show for those people. I don't think that he and and those look, some of those people are at the Super Bowl but I think the attitude and I think the right attitude is like, fuck them. Because first of all, what else are you going to do? Um,

and second of all, like it's just, it is to me not a valid way to approach art because it's fundamentally disengaged. Well, I, think his objective is to broaden the audience, not narrow it. And I think that that's what the Super Bowl is going to be about. It's going to be about broader appeal. And I think he has a very

interesting opportunity because he is the handsome guy at the moment, because he just won album of the year, because he has had the FOMO moment, all the things that we talked about that he's been building up to the SNL show. Just be interesting to see if coming out of this, what actually happens with the streaming numbers and the demo of the people who are coming to a show, There are shifts when you go into that next level. And he now, in addition to the numbers and the sort of pop culture support, he now has the critical authenticity. And let's see if people pay attention. Because if they don't, then the Grammys are cute and fun and it's a nice little thing for your, you know, whatever exists in your house that you put your little awards on.

But there ain't no Grammy bounce. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a, I think it's a significant moment, but maybe I think it's more of a significant moment than you do. Who's your next winner? I thought Lauren Hill and Maxwell were fucking awesome. They're so good. They're so good.

Look, I really loved the Bieber performance, and maybe you have bebes on your list somewhere. I actually thought it was terrific and vulnerable, and this is me and I'm stripped down. I just loved the aesthetic of it. There were some people online who were like, look at Sabrina's show and how interesting. kid and you know she's running around an entire airplane she's got animals she's got a hundred dancers

and here's Bieber and his underwear in front of a mirror but that was sort of the point and there was the weird moment where he walked off and then came back I was like oh my god did you think that that was intentional did you think that that was kind of a curtain call or do you think that at the end he was like oh I forgot it felt it felt like an oh moment to me um but it was and And that was the only thing. It was like, let's just call it what it is. There's probably some concern about whether Bieber can handle doing all of Coachella, much less going out and doing a full tour,

which you might expect is something in the future that he's going to do. There's reasonable people would be concerned about that. And I thought that most of the way through that performance, you'd be like, holy shit. Like, listen to him. He sounds great. He looks great. There's his wife.

like, wow, we're, you know, we're back. And then there was that little walk-off moment and come back where the fact that we don't know, it wasn't intentional. It's, they certainly didn't want to instill doubt in any Coachella goer as to whether Justin's going to be there for the second weekend or show up for his set time. That was not something that they wanted to do. So the fact that you and I are here like, I don't know, it was a little strange. Like on the scale of, was that supposed to happen something?

wasn't right moments. There was the share thing. There was Alex Warren clearly having problem with his ear monitors and messing with his pitch. And there was, did Bieber just forget to turn off his loop machine? And I don't, in some order, that's not clear to me, Bieber is, I don't think Bieber's third. Yeah. If I had to guess, I think he forgot to hit the button.

But it's funny in the moment, it didn't even register to me as like the visual of the idea of Justin Bieber walking off a stage before he's supposed to in this moment is like a pretty loaded idea, right? Because of the question of can he go through with all of this? By that point, he was one of my winners. I was totally bought in on that performance. I thought, as you said, the visual aesthetic of just like it felt like it gave you a window into what it seems like it must feel like for him to be up there. which is like there's like a there was something a little uncomfortable about it because he was 100% it was uncomfortable so vulnerable and like showcasing that vulnerability this is what this is what that album is

and yeah and and to do that song but to do it without the vocal effect i thought he sounded great his voice sounded so good it was great you know doing the little ed sheer and act was funny right Captivating, though. Across the board. Visually and acoustically captivating. This is really cool. And it felt like because it showed so much of what he has expressed a little bit in talking about himself,

but definitely through the music of what his experience as a performer is, of like having this love for what he does, but also some discomfort in... That's him. as a person being yeah no exactly like you could you could sense all of that and i thought that was just like a sight to behold it gave me a lot of questions about how much of his coach ella said and then if he takes it on the road further than that how much of it is going to be just in you know in his underwear or not loop machine girl you can't play never say never you can't play never say never with a

loop machine. They're going to have a full show. He'll strip it down for a little bit. Yeah, there'll be a moment. Do you think that like, I don't know, is 25% of the Coachella set going to be in that style? No, but there will be a three song set that's in that style and more than three songs, I bet he's going to be shirtless. Because why wouldn't he be? But there was this like, Haley in the crowd overseen like taking care of it. Very Sharon Osborne-esque.

His public persona is wife guy. He is our wife guy pop star. Like that's what Justin Bieber is right now. Well, there's still some danger in it. And so my big winner was Lauren Hill because, man, Lauren Hill is never shows up. She never shows up.

up for shows. I mean, I saw her at the Hollywood Bowl, and she came out late, and she did the show, but it was good because she's great, but it was all over the place, and it felt a little loose, and it felt last night was tight, and she, I turned to somebody I was watching the show with, I was like, how is she remembering the names of all these people? Like, she's not looking at a teleprompter, introducing everybody who was coming. Lauren Hill is not supposed to be able to do that, much less willing to do that. And then here comes Wyclef, and they do the Fuji's song.

And I was like, oh my God. It was so good. I'm a huge DeAngelo fan, and so hearing those versions of the songs were right in my wheelhouse. Whatever a wife guy is as a DeAngelo fan, that's me. That's you. That's me.

But Lauren Hill, holy shit, like she kind of put herself back on the map as icon that we have to pay attention to. Ironically, in a weekend in which there was a lot of celebration of Mariah Carey. She was at the Musicare's dinner. She was the celebrant there. And it wasn't the most inspired night, although there were some really great performances of her stuff.

But, man, Lauren Hill suddenly came out as, oh, right, A1 Diva, we have to pay attention. If she's going to show up and she's going to perform like that, and she's going to remember the names of everybody she's introducing and hit all of her marks and her cues and the band's going to sound like that. Fucking bring on the Fuji's reunion. What's funny is like you say it was very tight

and absolutely within that context of you're going, oh, is she going to show up? What's going to happen here? But there also was still a looseness to that. Because within the show, within the whole run of the show, a lot of the performances, and I thought by and large, like, I like, almost all of the performances.

But there are... Wait, what? Because I said almost all. Yep. I'm not going to defend that Alex Warren. Like, I felt bad for him because it clearly got messed up. But like, I don't care for that song.

It didn't go well. Oh, no. The earplugs were wrong. Like, I don't need this, like, landbound Benson Boone variant. It's a waste of my time. landbound I didn't feel like the Addison thing

was great I don't know No I agree with that too I agree with that too I will come for my fave It felt I don't know So I went back

I genuinely went back and forth Ateson Because like She has ideas Like what I love about her Is that she has ideas And concepts And concepts of a plan

No she literally has Concepts of a plan Like she gives you Something to chew on but it also is not particularly refined. And like it did feel like they gave her the, you know, VMA's coded, pre-taped from the loading dock. Yeah.

Two-minute segment. We can, I think we should talk about all the best new artist stuff and those performances. But I will use that to illustrate. Like, that's a section of the show where you're going. in these little, you know, 90 second to two minute, like one and one and one and one and one. There's a fair bit of watching any awards show, particularly one with performances, where you feel everything going beat to beat to beat to beat to beat to beat. Hit cue, hit cute. Next up, you know, coming up in a moment after this break, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And there was a looseness and a just like taking time to, have that performance be able to go in all those different directions and bring everybody up and bring Wyclef on and like do that whole thing and to just let it marinate a little bit. And like maybe that's because if Lauren Hill was going to say yes, she was going to be like, I'll leave when I want to. Like you're not going to play me off. But I just, it was just, it just had such a fun energy. And also like no i love riba but it's such a contrast to the in memoriams where it's like i'm gonna sing a sad serious song and you're gonna sit there for three and a half minutes and be like oh man as opposed to celebrating and like celebrating these amazing lives yeah it's just like maybe yeah again i love

Reba. I don't mean to be calling her out here, but like, I prefer this version of celebrating the lives, the great lives that were lost. I really love Reba, too. Can I tell you my conspiracy theory? Of course, always. That's why we do this. So my conspiracy theory is that the value of catalogs, which is to say, when people talk about the catalog of music, they just mean like old music that's been made already. The value of these catalogs is generating so much cash for record labels. It's like a massive portion of their income. And the profitability of releasing albums today is way less.

A, because you're paying artists more, but B, because it's harder than ever to break artists. And so the economics of new releases is getting more and more difficult. So they want to remind everybody that Riba has songs so that we'll go listen to it? Well, not just Riba, but also the reason that they're spending more time and a larger percentage of the show, on these artists and turn, John Mayer's, um, tribute to Bob Weir was, was very touching. And we've seen him do that in a number of places over the past few weeks since Bob Weir passed. But like,

you know, they spent a lot more time on these artists who've passed. And I wonder if behind the scenes, if there are some folks at the labels who've been like, we'd like to celebrate and just remind people, it's, it is Machiavellian in some way. It's also, you know, the right thing to do to pay tribute to these artists who made such a difference because 20 years ago you didn't have such a breadth of artists that you could celebrate that had impacted people in such a way because, you know, pre-elvis, pre-Beatles, like we just didn't have that many recordings of stuff. It wasn't as ubiquitous in all these things, all these reasons why we're now getting into this time where more and more big stars are passing and they're going to spend more time on that in the show.

So anyway, that's my conspiracy theory. But I enjoyed it. I mean, I liked it. It's a fun way to bring other artists in, to pay tribute, to remind folks of, you know, what great music is, and also to sort of connect what's happening now to what was then. Totally. Totally. And if there's one, if there's, if there's a treatment of that that's going to make me, if that's the point, make me go back to the catalog and say, oh, yeah, I haven't listened to that in a long time. like go press play, it is absolutely the Lauren Hill version of what we saw last night. So then to fast forward to where we were speaking about before, which is these best new artist things, I sort of get a little put off by it because I think there's some weird nominees in this category sometimes. And the category itself had this stigma of being sort of, you know, like a wacky, wild thing that maybe didn't matter.

some cases was maybe a curse. But if you go back to 2000, just start there, the turn of the century, and look at the people who've actually won this award, it seems to me it fucking matters. Christina, Alicia Keys, Nora Jones, Maroon 5, Evan Essence, John Legend, Carrie Underwood, Amy Winehouse, Adele, Boni Vair, fun, which is really Jack Hansenoff, McElamor, Sam Smith, Megan Traynor, Chance the Rapper, Duleepa, Billy Eilish, Megan the Stalian, Olivia Rodriguez, Chapel Rhone. Now, there's a few others that you might say, I'm not sure. Samara Joy, Victoria Monet deserved it, but like we all felt like she'd been around for a while.

Alessiacara, Esperanza Spalding in 2011. I'm sure a great artist. Not sure what happened there. Shelby Lynn. I love Shelby Lynn. So there are some that didn't sort of break out. But boy, there are a lot that have become like canon. And so I would say that's a pretty good hit, right?

It's a pretty good hit, right? And so I think paying attention to the winner matters now in ways that it didn't before. But it was interesting that they gave performances to all the best new artists, but not necessarily like the albums of the year. Do you think that's because of willingness? Yeah, probably. Because you're going to be able to get, right, not everybody. You don't want to count on year in and year out.

that everybody who's nominated for album of the year is going to be willing to get up and do that. Whereas the best new artists are probably, the best new artist nominees or their teams, like they're going to say yes, particularly if everybody else is doing it. It's why they all played the Spotify party on Saturday night or on Thursday night.

It's why they go out and they do that work because they still are ostensibly developing artists. Although I will say I talked to a couple of folks on Olivia Dean's team who, I mean, they've been working Olivia Dean for a long, long time. And best new artist needs a new name. You know, somebody, somebody on Twitter or something was like it should be called breakthrough artists and that resonated with me. It's like best new artists. Some of these folks have been around for, Victoria Monet is an example. Yeah, I think breakthrough artist would be more accurate. I can't, I can't say that's an issue that

keeps me up at night, but I think it would absolutely be a more accurate way of describing the award. What was your reaction to any of the performances that we haven't touched on? No, I think the rest of the best new artists was fine. I mean, I understand why they did some

taped and some live. I don't know how well it all spliced together, but it was fine, and I thought Olivia, you know, Olivia really shines. She really does. She just radiates this joy, and I think that's why she's got the trophy and why she's on out arenas in big cities right now.

It's just people are gravitating to something that isn't divisive and that isn't hard and that isn't work and that just feels light. And that's what she projects. And she's really, she's really refined. Like I find her and there are things about this that I actually don't gravitate to. Like I'm the person who wants it to be a little bit harder, I think, where I find that Like, she and Addison appealed to the exact opposite parts of my brain. Right.

Where I look at someone like Addison Ray and again, like, where my mind goes is, I think this person's idea of what it means to do this is sort of fascinating. But like, you see a lot of seams and you watch that performance and you go like, okay, this isn't quite, this is a concept of a plan. And then, like, in my heart. of hearts, that's the type of thing that I, I, like, want to see praised. But then Olivia gets up there and does her thing and it's undeniable. Like, she's just so, she's so talented.

She does have such a warmth. She's so ready. Like, I mean, she's been singing that song on every show and everything and every, you know, you're hearing it left, right and center. There's a little baby giraffe in her still. Like, she's still getting. her sea legs up there in a certain way. I don't know. When we did her album in the fall, the takeaway for me was Olivia Dean is really, really good. And the only question is whether she's

going to be absolutely great. And through the course of this award season, I feel like her performances have been stepping up and stepping up. She's easy to look at. That's for sure. There isn't anything like remarkable about the live performance, though, is there? It's not like she's busting a Mariah Carey or a, you know, Ariana run in your face that you didn't expect. No, and there's not, I mean, I think it's a beautiful. There's also not, it's a beautiful song, but there's also, like, if you're going to use the word remarkable, there's not that much remarkable about the song. It's magic is that it, you know, it's, it's magic and also the thing that you can hold against it if you want to is that it feels like a wedding reception song. Like it has that.

The band looks like a wedding reception band. Yes. And I don't know if it was just it being in the context of like we saw Bruno Omar's twice last night. And I actually liked the, you know, sort of if Gwen Stefani and Avrilavine had a baby and that baby was singing the Apata version of that. I thought that was kind of fun. But like there were moments last night that got a little bit. the third hour of a wedding reception to me. And maybe it was just that in that context, I was a little bit like, yeah, I like this.

I don't know that I have a strong emotional reaction to it. But then she gets up there. And she just seems like such a warm person she spoke so thoughtfully about her grandparents. And then I'm in. Then I'm like, I'm totally rooting for this person. It was a good speech. No doubt about it.

Look, I generally would say, and this is going to overgeneralize, I think after last year, this was a down year, not just in ratings, but also in like mass appeal of the music. I don't know that this was like a, we just didn't have as much. I said this on the preview, right? I guess maybe that's why I didn't feel like I was massively excited, although I think there are a lot of really amazing stories that come out of these things every year. This wasn't a year where, I just will never forget 2024, as you and I

kept trying to think about, this is really when you and I took our show from being about Taylor Swift and Harry Stiles to being about pop music, because we got what I think in hindsight is going to be one of the all-time years in music. We just kept listening to albums and calling each other and being like, holy fuck, we have to do this one because it's an A. And oh my God. Charlie X-E-X came late and we were like, this is really fucking good. And then Sabrina came in August and we were like, this is really fucking good.

Are we crazy? Like, have we just like missed the bar and we're just being like wusses in our grading or something now? But no, in hindsight, it was a really, really big year. And you know what? The industry is allowed to have a year with stuff that's pretty good and there's lots of stuff to celebrate. And in some of the individual categories,

there's really great stuff. But in terms of like all timers, I don't know that we had an absolute all-timer this year, and that is just fine. But it was reflected a little bit in the show. And all that said, I thought there was good energy from start to finish. There were some funny moments. As you said, the last 20 minutes were worth your time, if nothing else, for the unintentional comedy of it all. Well, and also the – I totally agree with you, but the lack of – sometimes the lack of obvious heavy hitters.

makes room for some unexpected moments. Like another winner that I had was Lola Young, whose music generally I actually like more than, I don't care for Messy very much. It's not a, I don't love that song. I honestly also didn't love her performance of it. No, no.

I just felt it was- I love dealer. Yeah. No, there are Lola Young songs that I think are great. I don't, I think in general, I've just heard that refrain on social media a little bit too much, and I just can't take it anymore. I thought the performance, it just got really serious.

Yeah. All of that said, I will remember her getting up after winning Best Pop Solo performance, which absolutely no one, her included, thought was going to happen. Her odds were in the toilet up to win that. That was the biggest surprise of the night. I will remember that moment for a long time. And she is an undeniable winner to me for that. And even if, like, it's not always my cup of tea,

knowing a little bit about what she has explained she deals with in terms of addiction and mental health and stepping away. Well, we saw her fall over on stage at the All Things Go Festival. Yeah, in September. Yeah. Like five months ago or whatever that was. And so to see her have that moment now, I loved watching it.

I thought, you know, she's just swearing up there and making absolutely no bones about the fact that she had nothing prepared and thought there was no chance. And so I thought that was really, really cool. It was one of those wins where there's a lot of people in the industry who are all looking at each other. Like I imagine the Hall of Fame voters are looking at each other about this Belichick thing. Although maybe the Belichick thing was actually Bill Pullian like on a vendetta. you're the football reporter, you'll help me parse that. But this was one where people were like, whoa, that was a vote split. Because it's hard to imagine that it was anything but that.

And that's fine. That's great. That's why we have a voting system that is. It's about who gets the most votes. But there was some splits there. And I imagine Sabrina got some of those votes. And I imagine that Gaga got some of those votes. And there were a few other candidates.

and I think it just sort of the chips fell the way that they did and sometimes you get lucky and you win. Yeah. Like this was one that made me wonder if if like ranked ranked choice voting

might be something worth thinking about but at the same time like these moments they are exciting. Like you want the winner to be representative of not of like a weird vote splitting scenario but of actually sort of what the will

of the voting body was, but we live in an imperfect world, and that's not what happened, but it was cool anyway. Yeah, she beat Justin Bieber Daisy's Sabrina Carpenter Manchild, Lady Gaga disease, Chapel Row in the subway. She beat four super de-duper stars, and the only takeaway for me is that there just was a big split vote. And that's fine. Good for her. It's awesome.

It gave us that fun moment. I'm not sure it's a big career bounce for her. but I think she's just got sort of other stuff to figure out. That's it. I hope it is a stabilizing force for her and a reminder that there are a lot of people out there who voted for her over those people. And that, you know, if she can get her life stabilized, that she's got a huge opportunity in the industry. Okay. I think at the end of this, we can, if you feel like we've missed anything, we can. can go back and go through any other extra winners unless you have a big one that I'm missing. Otherwise, I think we should do the losers.

Well, I mean, I hate to say it, but I mean, it's Cher, but it's not, it's old people in general. No, share is a winner. That was amazing. I loved that. Oh, man. It's just like. Share can mess up my name any time she wants.

Well, she didn't really, she messed up the whole thing. I did the whole thing. It was just, it was, as Loli Young said, messy. And to me, it was like, hey, if you're going to put a 79-year-old person out on stage who is so famous that she has to live in a bubble a little bit, right? She has to. You got to help her out, man. And you got to have the run of that part of the show has to be locked down.

Why are we, like, jumping in with Noah to present? did we lose a presenter maybe who was going to come out and introduce her? I wonder. And like that's what it felt like to me. Maybe there was supposed to be somebody who was going to present her with the icon award or whatever it was, Lifetime Achievement Award. And then they just introduced Cher to announce record of the year. And then in Pops Noah like, hey, by the way, we just gave you a really big award that usually

we give people a standing ovation for three minutes when we call them out. but now we're just dropping it in your lap. That would be confusing to my dad for crying. My dad would fucking, he couldn't handle it. So I don't know what you're doing to a 7-9. And then to ask her, I don't know. She didn't even know what she was doing out there because then you forget, oh, right, I've just been given this huge award.

You remember that. And you forget, oh, I actually was supposed to come out and do this other job. You don't surprise old people. It's not fun. And also, she was wearing kind of like a mermaid-style dress. like it had a skirt that was fairly tight to her legs most of the way down her legs. And so when she walked off, like she can't walk that fast in it. So she's sort of like doing little mini steps bag.

The long slow goodbye. And then she has to do it back up to the microphone. No, she forgot to announce. No. Unfortunately, I thought it was, I really was laughing and I had a nice time. And I felt like I was laughing with her. Really? She didn't really get a chance to be like...

I mean, I saw her apologize to Kendrick. I guess I just have such a reverence for Cher. That to me, I'm like, it's an honor to have Cher mess up your... Yeah, but like, there is a paying respects to your elders part of this that got me upset. Like, yeah, you know, when your grandparents want to ask the kids questions, it's a little bit, you know, patronizing. It's a little bit, you know, patronizing. it's a little cringy for the kids, but the kids out of respect,

they sit there and they answer the questions and they don't pretend. But everybody in the room knows that maybe these aren't the best questions or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, you give some grace to the older folks,

but you help them through it, and then it's done, and then you're over. But you don't just throw her out there on live TV and throw three curveballs at her and expect her to carry 10 minutes of live television.

I don't know. Somebody should have done better. She did. She absolutely carried it. Here's what I will say. I really hear your point, and it's a good one. We can't entirely rule out that that happened and that Cher just sort of went,

yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to do whatever I want. We can't totally rule that out. Oh, the diva situation probably was on full effect. And part of what I'm saying is whoever is still representing her should have jumped in front of that bullet, even if Cher was like, fuck you guys, I've got it. And like got high as shit in the back room with fucking you know, Leon Thomas or whatever.

Like, I think, or maybe John Mayer was sitting back. Noah Khan was back there. He definitely. Noah Khan brought to you by MasterCard. Drives a Rav 4. Yeah, brought you by Massacre. Loser, me getting got for a second year in a row after Gaga did it last year of that fucking MasterCard commercial.

What was your vibe on it? I mean, thumbs up, thumbs down? Is it too corporate? Is it just fine? You know, it's so weird because it's like on the one hand, and I did when I was taking notes, I wrote this down. It's like, on the one hand, they are paying their advertising and sponsorship dollars for me to watch a music video instead of, yeah, like a full-ass music video instead of

watching for the ninth time the duolingo bird licking my screen. And so in that sense, like, did you not get the duolingo? Were you not getting that ad? What's going on with the dueling? People I'm confident are going to back me up on this, at least in certain, I don't know if it's markets, who your TV provider is, whatever. Like, every commercial break, there was a commercial where it was just like the, you know, the green duolingo bird.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like the Duolingo bird came up to the, you know, to the glass on my screen and just licked it. And that was it would have been cooler if it was Duolipa dressed as a bird licking your screen. Yeah, you're right. I would have enjoyed that. But anyway, this was better than some of the dog-shake commercials you got. Do you know what I'm saying? It's like I want to not be a total, just like, boo corporate boo, which is always my instinct.

Because, again, I got to watch a music video instead of. of watching advertisements. It's just that you don't know at the beginning. So you get into it. And then that moment where it's brought to you by MasterCard hits like a ton of bricks. It's a fucking bummer. Like, sorry.

I'm having fun with, and I felt the same way when Gaga did it. It's just like... Well, the Casey Musgraves ad from a couple years ago was a little bit I don't know, that was just about Casey Musgraves. Like it wasn't brought to you by anybody.

So this go around, yeah, they pick, they pick their partner and they went for it. So it was interesting. I think we have to go back to calling people sellouts. It's the only way forward. Maybe. Because in our current landscape, like, I don't know what else I expect from anyone, but also we live in hell. So, that's my general. It wasn't cool. It's not cool. It's not cool.

I don't know if there's punishment for that, but it wasn't cool. Yeah. For as much as I'm ragging on it here, if I'm honest, there will not be punishment for me. I don't think that that experience made me any less likely to partake in the NoConn experience going forward, just as it did not affect my experience with Gaga. Yeah. There is something of like, I was. wasn't important enough to be on the show. Yeah. Now I'm doing it here. It doesn't feel like I'm a rebel,

which the first time or two it did. Now it feels like, well, but then it was like, well, no, you were in the crowd. So, yeah. But you've got to raise attention. Can I say one more, can I, hold on, can I,

can I bring us back quickly to share? This actually isn't really, I have, I did have a small conspiracy, theory that the prompter was really small. But part of the problem was that the teleprompter was not, either the font wasn't big enough or it was too far away or something. Because remember when Chapel got up to present the award that she-

But she's blind. Have you ever seen her out? She has the thickest Coke bottle glasses. She is- That's true. So blind. But she gets up there. It looks like a total like hostage video. situation. Well, last year, remember she was yelling at people who were yelling at her on the red

carpet. This year, again, they were yelling at her and she just sort of... She's not into it. She's like, hard. No thank you. Yeah. So she's like, I can't wear my glasses. I can't see shit. You're putting up a teleprompter. All I'm trying to do is write a sophomore album that follows Hot to Go. That's fucking hard. Leave me alone. That's the vibe right now. Yes. Yeah. And I... kind of love it and she has some really, really valid points. It is just like, without sounding like an asshole executive giving her a talking to, the people who would kill for the career that Chapel is having.

And she just is like, I'm so not into it. Yeah. And you know what? It's fucking kind of cool. It is kind of cool. It is really kind of cool. It's part of, listen, her for Jill. is part of the art.

It's part of the, all of that is her thing. And so, but last night, I don't know, felt like she was playing a little bit of a character. Yeah,

there was an opportunity for her to say something. I was sure when she got up there, she was just going to be like, fuck ice. Yeah, I think she just is like, I'm going to do as little as possible tonight.

Yeah. Other than, other than, other than with the dress. But she, I take your point that she wears big glasses, but she had to do the thing where she leaned in to squint at the prompter. Share seemed to think something was going to be on the prompter and it wasn't. I feel like there was one more moment where someone like seemed to not quite be able to.

Between that and like the Alex Warren thing with his ears being off, I'll just say that the guy. from the Ares Tour who we think should do air traffic control at Newark Airport. Right. I think the CBS broadcast could have... He was not in charge. He was not in charge. He was not in the room. Yeah. C-minus performance for the AV situation last night. That's fair. Okay, so you're, was that you were doing a loser and you said...

Just old people in general. Because I just don't... I don't like one. Which one was I? You know, I just don't like when old people get publicly embarrassed. and somebody should have done better. Share is not old. Share is ageless. I just mean you can't, like you got to do it right.

You got to take care of these folks. I agree. I know. I think that's a really nice sentiment. Somebody should have been out there with her. Yeah. And Trevor Noah was not up to that task. Respect your elders. I have another loser. I did have the prompter down as one of my losers.

And I also had Alex Warren, but I mostly felt bad. So I don't need to react on. him anymore. So Billy Elish wins Song of the Year for Wildflower. And I like Billy Eilish and I liked her speech. I also thought that like, I just don't think that that very much of last night moved any sort of Billy Eilish needle. That said, that song should not have won. And it shouldn't have won for a few reasons. One of them being that it came out in 2024. That's the biggest reason. It's so dumb that we can do this.

And she is somewhat responsible for this because they, because of the timing when they released it as a single, it was eligible to be submitted for this category this year. And Billy, team Billy, went ahead and did that, which is fine. That is completely within their rates to do. It is like, you know, in the same way as I'm saying maybe we need to bring back a little bit of sellout culture. I think there's such a thing as liking awards too much and playing all of those types of games and doing stuff like that is a little bit of a signal in that direction. But there's a really easy way around this, which is just change the rule. Like the loser to me is the fact that you can do that kind of.

calendar shenanigans in the first place. It shouldn't matter when you put it out as a single. I get it if it's like a remix and something that has been changed as music. But if it's just about like when you're promoting this song in a specific way, I don't think that that should alter what years and in what competition it gets evaluated for a Grammy. Yeah. I don't think the category had a whole lot of good stuff in it. Like, I don't know.

Abricadabra, Anxiety, Apata, the Bunny Song, Golden, Luther, Manchild. I really like Manchild. You know that. That's what I was going to say. You wouldn't have liked to see, I mean, Sabrina. I would have. I would have.

I would have. And I didn't like seeing Sabrina shut out. And I also don't think that there was any, like massive, clear, holy shit, this song got completely snubbed moment. And when you, again, look at like, what are the last 15 years in this category look like? First of all, it's crazy that Billy Elish has three of the last seven. Yeah. And I can't help feeling like the Academy loves her.

They shut out, hit me hard and soft. That was a very good album. There are reasons why it didn't win what it didn't win. but some people felt badly and the label released this and they pushed it and here we are. But I mean,

single ladies won in 2010 need you now, rolling in the deep, we are young, royals, stay with me, thinking out loud, hello.

There's some real winners in there. What was I made for as Billy? Not like us, wildflowers more recent. Like there's some other stuff for sure. I don't know. know, I mean, just like that is the Bonnie Raid song that won that made everybody's jaw hit the floor in 2023. I went back and listened to that today and I was like, first of all, Bonnie Raid is the

shit, okay? She wrote, well, she didn't write, I can't make you love me, but she performed it. She, you know, have a heart, like all these songs, she's made songs great. And that one, I was like, this is what we're giving. This is the one. I can't believe. That's the same with this. That's the same with this. This is, there are great Billy Eilish ballads. this to me is not one of them. It's not. It's not. And my point is just like,

this is some of the silliness of the Grammy situation. Yes. Like, it's just silly. And I think, it seems like two things happened. One is that I think a lot of people,

us included, overestimated the degree to which there was going to be enthusiasm for Golden for K-pop demon hunters. And I think you could tell a little bit early on that it maybe wasn't going to

go that way when Ariana and Cynthia won best pop duo for Define Gravity over Golden, over Apata, which like, not that that sets anything in stone, but that to me was a little bit of like, uh-huh, that's interesting. I really thought that people were excited to vote for either one of those songs. And I wonder if that was a little bit overstated. And then the other thing is that, like, you have to imagine that there was some vote splitting there as well, right? Like maybe Gaga and Sabrina end up splitting. I think that happened in a couple of cases where some people voted for Gaga, some went for Sabrina.

They're both coming out of different labels. Yeah. Well, and that's fine. I mean, look, like I would have, even though you know it's not my favorite of her songs, I think Sabrina would have been a worthy, winner. I don't think it matters enough for her. Like, I thought about, okay, Sabrina Carpenter gets shut out of the Grammys. Does that mean that she's a loser? And in my, my honest reaction was like, no. She did a great performance. It was really fun. She could, like, it. Don't get me started.

Man's best friend, if you really squint, it's actually her sophomore album. And short and sweet was this magical transformational record that would be the same challenge that Chapel has or that Olivia had to follow up and go really hit a home run with the second album. And in that light, this was nominated for album of the year.

It has clearly established her as in the flow pop culture for as long as she wants to be in it across multiple mediums, by the way, film, TV, and music. So it's a win. this show, so this is the last Grammys that's going to be on CBS,

it's now going to be on Disney, like you can see it on, I don't entirely know how it's going to work next year, but it's like under the Disney umbrella. Company that Sabrina Carpenter has some relationship with. She should host. Like, she could host this show

and it would be really fun. Like, she's so on her marks. She's silly. I don't know why she had a bird, but it was fun to be sitting on the couch and being like, does Sabrina have a real bird? And she did. It was a real bird. So she's not a loser. All of that said. No, the bird was fine. I loved the bird. But I thought maybe the bird was supposed to do more tricks

or something. The bird had maybe had a little bit of a share moment, to be honest, but the, but the bird is fine. Bird isn't, I checked out on the bird. What did you think the bird was going to do, like a backflip? Maybe just like spread its wings and flap a little bit? I don't know. Benson Bird Boone? It had an Alex Warren type moment, but Sabrina carried it like a pro. Loser, the bird. Sabrina carried it like a pro.

You send the bird out with, you send the bird out with Sabrina. Somebody's got to go out with Cher. You need a... Send, okay, send Sabrina out with Share. I actually firmly believe it wouldn't have happened on Sabrina's watch. And that's why she should host this show. great point. All of that said, though,

it would have been nice to see her go home with an award, and I don't know, like maybe this would have been the category where it could have happened. I just... It was the Lola Young category. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess I'm talking about one of the big ones. But that's true. That's true, too. Okay. Calendar shenanigans. We talked about Alex Warren.

We talked about the prompter. we talked about we talked about Addison Ray relegated to the loading dock we talked about Sabrina

do you have any other losers ice ice got absolutely torched all week that's I didn't mind we've really talked

about Gaga yeah and I don't know what to think because I think you and I've sort of made our feelings

about this album clear. And I know you have a little bit more... I liked it fine. I just didn't feel like it was an album of the year nominee, but then I respected how much work she did to put herself in the conversation, and in particular the way that she helped us visualize the album through her live performances,

starting with that MasterCard commercial, but then extending into Coachella, where you just were like, holy shit, like, this is a thing. But she has a... won one of the big four categories. Yeah. She's won a lot of Grammys, but she's never won one of the big four.

And I'm okay with that because I think if there was a song that might have won, it would have been shallow, right? But so I wonder how she feels about it. Like, she got recognized, she got a Grammy, she got up there, she got to thank Michael. It was great. She got to like jump scare bunny. and she got to like how many angles can we film Lady Gaga in a basket? There was that performance that was, you know, some weird shit, but that's Gaga.

It's fine. I don't know. I don't know where she sits right now. How do you feel about it? I think it's a vestige of an era when the Grammys had a little bit more bias, against dance pop. Like I actually think right now, I think that if you are,

our conversation before the show clarified this for me a little bit. Like, I actually think that they've done a pretty good job of getting the voting body in a place where vis-a-vis hip-hop, vis-vis pop, they're not quite as out of touch as sometimes they seem and have seemed in the past. I think right now the real blind spot is country. but when Gaga like Gaga 1.0

was winning genre category Grammys and getting nominated for Grammys I think when the Grammys just were not ready for what she's doing and that's unfortunate but that's

pretty far in the past. I don't I really like this album. It doesn't strike me as like a deep injustice that Gaga didn't win a big four Grammy for Mayhem or for Abercadabra I think you could tell that like

especially the other the two kind of signal awards from the early show to me were when Defying Gravity won that was surprising and it was a little bit of a like huh

not sure what this means for K-pop demon hunters and then the other one was when Circuit won I started thinking, I think some of these, like particularly in the pop categories, Gaga is going to get some wins, but maybe not necessarily, but like I didn't think that that applied to the really big ones. And I actually thought that like her haul was ultimately pretty appropriate because it's a great pop album, but I don't think that like stacked up against everything else that was nominated, that it was bad that she didn't win. It was funny when she had She had Circuit and Andrew Watt up there, right? Yeah, and she really wanted them to get closer to her.

And she was like, get closer to me. And then she turned the camera and said, I want to say to all the female artists that I know you can be really uncomfortable with people in the room and I just want you to fight for yourself. And I just imagine those guys being like, yo!

Why did you have to get me in frame for this? Why did you pull me closer only to talk about bad producing experiences? What? Why do I have to be in all of the photos about your speech, about how uncomfortable it is to be in a recording studio with men? Come on. I thought we were good. It was very funny.

Obviously, that's not what she meant. Can I just interject a piece of breaking news? Please. The Kelly Clarkson show is coming to an end. Oh. Which isn't that big a deal, but we talk about pop music a lot. And in particular, Kelly Clarkson is one of our great American cover artists. And she covers all of these really great pop artists.

And I am going to miss Kelly Oakey tremendously. Kelly Oaky is fabulous. I think I've shared with you that I went to see. I think actually sometimes she's... I never watch it. I never seek out an entire episode of the Kelly Clarkson show. But I've seen clips of some of her interviews. and sometimes she can be like a pretty emotionally intuitive interviewer, I think.

Like Kelly Clarkson has some... Well, that's all done now, Nora. That's, well, I can... That's okay. I've shared this with you that I, two years ago when the Super Bowl was in Las Vegas, went to see her residency. Right. And it was fabulous.

And I love Kelly Clarkson. Well... Congrats to her. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to take us off the rails there. That was kind of a share moment for me. Honestly, I thought someone was going to be dead. So no disrespect to that Kelly Clarkson show within that context, that was a relief to hear. Let's move on. Sorry, let me get back to announcing record of the year. Record of the year goes to Luther Vandross. Gaga,

Gaga was fine. I was happy with Gaga. I didn't think, like, I, I was. You know what I wish? I kind of wish that she'd done a different song. Yeah. I feel like I've heard Aber cadabra enough. And I thought that... Yeah, brought to you by MasterCard. Like, she did...

She did kill her on S&L and that was really cool. She could have done that. She could have done a version of that. I thought that she gave it a world to give it a different texture by like rocking it up so much. But I have just heard that song so much and seen her perform it so many times.

Give us how bad do you want me? Now that, that would have been inspired. She could have come out in a blonde wig and done how bad do you want me? The whole thing. Really funny. I thought that I, even though they were shaky. Taylor was in L.A. last night, by the way. But didn't go.

She showed up at a Grammy party. Interesting. I did give Addison Ray and Katzai. I thought both did something cool where I guess I would have expected Addison to do Diet Pepsi and just to do the most, like, low-hanging fruit. And same thing with Gabriela. And I thought that there were some choices in, there were some song choices that were a little bit unexpected and brave and interesting.

And like, I wish that Gaga had done that a little bit rather than just do another abracadabra. but that's okay. I think that they, this is a better show now than it was a decade ago as far as I'm concerned. I feel like I would like to see

a few more awards, but I think they've done a good job of, the only thing that I really missed this year, it just didn't have that, like, that Grammy moment that they talk about. Like the really big one

that we're going to remember, I guess you said it's Lola Young. I just think that was such an upset that I don't know how much, I don't think that that's the moment. I think that that bunny had a moment. I think that that was a memorable data point in the developing history of a big artist. Yeah.

I mean, he was, he looked great, kept it classy. The first ever custom menswear look by Scaparelli. Okay. Trust me that it matters. Trust me that it's cool. I'm trusting you. I'm trusting you that it matters. It was cool.

saw it myself, but that's the only thing that it missed. And that's why I got sort of pissed off about the share thing, because I just didn't want that to be like the takeaway. I don't think, I think, first of all, we got to see how the rest of the week goes, because this is, this is, it's bad bunny week in America. It is bunny week. Yeah. And, but I think that like he, through circumstances outside of his control, he found himself being recognized. in a way that he has not been before. Not that Grammys are the most important thing to him, but it's a new form of agulation for someone at

a professional peak who also happened to be in a situation, again, outside of his control, where a really politically salient issue, where tensions are incredibly high, intersects with his personal experience and his experience as an artist. And I thought that he handled it perfectly. And I think that that will go down as something that we, the collective we remembers about Bad Bunny.

So that to me was the moment. Like far in a way, that is how I will remember this Grammys. Well, let's see. I hope it's a good Bad Bunny week. I'm excited to see the Super Bowl halftime show. Maybe you can talk me into getting excited about the game. I don't know. But yeah, let's see what Bunny does.

To me, it is at this moment in time with the critical acclaim and the popular culture tailwind, can he leverage this moment to expand his audience even more? And if he doesn't, he is a superstar. That's not the debate. I'm just noticing one thing

that I really wanted to ask you about that I forgot to bring up, which is, did you see how much Jelly Roll was kissing his wife? I mean, you said Bieber's wife guy. Jelly Roll seemed like A1 wife guy. Definitely. No, Jelly Roll was doing a lot of making out. And that is also how I'll remember the Scramies. Jelly Roll wife makeout?

Yeah. Literally in my notes, it says, Jelly Roll is really kissing his wife. And that's great. Good for Jelly Roll. That was the Grammys. We're leaving on that thought. But that was the Grammys.

And my expectation is that most people will have not consumed it via television. They will have consumed it via social clips. And that is in some ways as it was meant to be consumed. I just wonder if part of the reason that the overall viewing is down is because we just didn't have that. Oh, my God. moment. All right, this has been every single album. I'm Nora Princeati. As always, he's Nathan Hubbard. Thank you to Kaya McMullen for producing this episode. And we'll talk to you next week.