Every Single Album - We're Getting an Eras Tour Doc | Every Single Album: Taylor Swift

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Our clowning has finally been proved right: We're getting an Eras Tour docuseries. Nora and Nathan talk about the announcement that Taylor Swift will be releasing a six-episode docuseries about her record-breaking tour (1:00), do a very close reading of the trailer that was dropped along with the announcement (9:49), and make some predictions about what this series could cover (25:53). Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan HubbardProducer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to every single album. I'm Nora Princeati. As always, I am joined by Nathan Hubbard. And for a third week, we're going to talk about Taylor Swift. Nathan Howard is. No. Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

Oh, yes. Finally, we got a surprise that I think lived up to the hype. A surprise that satisfied me. We were right. Sure, yes. We, many other people who predicted that there was a Taylor Swift, eras tour, documentary, docu-series, docu-extravaganza that was in the can in the works, were, I hope, satisfied when on Good Morning America, she announced that Taylor Swift, the Ares Tour, the end of an era, a six-part docu-series.

I have to remember that. Is this like high school musical, the musical, the series? That's what it sounds like to me. Taylor Swift the era is toward the end of an era. No, you don't, I hereby release you from that obligation. We're calling it the documentary and the concert film. Those are the two things, right? Okay.

That's, okay. Normy, Normanclature is that. Okay, I feel like I'm going to call it the docu series. Okay. Because it is a docu series. Yeah, we need to talk about that. Yeah. You and I, I think, had our finger on the polls.

and were right on the money that there was footage that had been taken behind the scenes and that it figured that at some point there was going to be, yes, a docu-style release of that footage and that behind-the-scenes look. I was not necessarily anticipating that it was going to be, yeah, exactly, a six-part release over the course of three weeks. So episodes one and two are going to drop on December 12th. Oh, that's what I'm so mad about. And then episodes three and four are going to be the next week, December 19th.

Great. And then episodes five and six day after Christmas, December 26. Damn it. Everybody travels that day. Well, okay. I might be, I may or not be in Tahiti. How am I going to watch it? I got to see the end. Is December 26, December 26th is a travel day for me. Is December 26 a travel day for you? Yes. Okay, so this is incredibly easy.

You hit that little download button, which I hope is available. Disney Plus, please, please listen to Navin saying that a lot of people travel on this day. Make these things available for download if you are a subscriber. You're going to hit that little button and you're going to watch it on your plane, train automobile situation while you travel. I am taking a red eye to the South Pacific on Christmas night. Okay, fair. Sometimes, you know, when they release an album, it comes out at 9 p.m. Pacific Thursday as opposed to like midnight Friday. So that's what I'm sort of hoping is going to happen.

And there will be enough time for me to find some Wi-Fi network to download this shit before I travel. Because otherwise I'm going to end up in some rando country in South Pacific and not be able to watch it. And y'all are going to ruin it for me on social media. Oh, yeah. You might have to like work with a VPN situation. Okay. Yeah. We'll talk about this.

I think that you have a, are going to. to have a specific thing going on here. And I deeply hope that your Christmas night at some point involves Navin Hubbard in an airport lounge, like, hiding in the corner because, while I don't think that you should be insecure about this, you would be like, I don't want people to see that I'm watching this on my iPad. And I'm just like, I'm really rooting for that that scene to transpire. All right. Well, I will actually have my girls who made the ERAs to her movie with me. And I'm pretty sure they're not in this documentary. So they'll have the same problem. We'll all work it out together. Could you imagine if your girls just popped up in the movie?

Like they come out of, it's a behind the scenes. They're actually, they've been in the dressing room. Like, they've been part of the tour the entire time. That's what I'm rooting for. Well, that part, that part, no, I could not imagine. But yes, that's what happened in the first one. It's like, oh, there they are. So did you watch the trailer? Because I want to talk about the trailer a little bit. Did I watch the trailer? Broke it, like, what are the all-time most watch videos? I broke that thing down like the Zapruder film. Okay.

Which is a super old reference. But, like, what is the modern equivalent of that? No, people, Zepruder film, I think, has, like, stayed in the sightguise. Whatever. I don't know what the... I think people say it even if they don't know what it is. Yeah.

We broke that shit down. Okay, so talk to me about what you got from the trailer. I wonder if this is as much a chronicle of her love story with Travis as anything else. Okay, interesting. First of all, we're going to get the behind the scenes of when he carried her out there and the sort of rehearsal of that. But it looks to me like there might even be some footage of her recording midnights, as there probably should be, because she was planning all this at the same time.

And so it's going to sort of chronicle everything from the breakup to the Maddie stuff to Travis in terms of the timeline. Obviously, it's not going to chronicle her personal line. Because this to me is a huge question, even if we assume, which is the only right assumption that like, yeah, it's not going to delve into the intimate personal life details of what was going on. Do you think that we are starting from the conception of the heiress tour, the rehearsals, the putting together the set list? You know, you see that shot where she has, you know, I think of the post-its. The post-it notes of how the songs all fit together all the way through the multiple years of the show. Like, is the time frame of this series? Is it like several years of her professional life?

that is what it looks like to me. However, I also know that they were, you know, they were really following her around more fully on that European leg and once the tortured poet stuff got integrated in. Right. That was when the cameras were everywhere, pre-and-post show, when opening artists were being interviewed and having chats. So I think they're going to compile.

I mean, what do we know from this release cycle and all the fucking voice notes that are being put out as product? Like, she captures a lot of content. Yes. And so I am sure that a lot of that content is going to be captured. I think most of the, like, highly professional right there behind the scenes in your face with the camera stuff around the tour is going to be from the European leg, which had the tortured poet stuff. But it looks to me like it's going to chronicle all of it, which is terrific. because do you know what, Nora? What is the best part of that Katie Perry doc?

Well, the best part is also the worst part when it's so sad and she's so sad and she's coming up from underneath the stage and we strangely talk about this one moment in a Katie Perry documentary all the time. But that's because it's incredibly impactful. Yeah. And like most music docs suck

and that one was awesome because it was real as hell. And I'm really excited for the Katie Perry doc part two featuring Justin Trudeau making out on a yacht. Spotted, spotted by somebody who went on a whale watch. It's my favorite part of that story. They found it. In Santa Babs, as everybody calls it, was like,

I just want to go on a whale wash and came home with footage of Katie Perry and Justin Trudeau making out. One of the greatest things that's happened. Incredible work. But the point is, it's the authenticity and the like behind the scenes and the actual emotional struggle that goes in because I do think, you know, in the trailer a little bit, I rolled at the beginning as she's sort of building up the drama. Well, the trailer is very intense.

That was my first level of reaction to it. It was like, whoa. Like, just because I've been thinking about, you know, I've been thinking about life of a showgirl and the way that she's been talking about it and we've sort of been in this space of like, oh, you know, joy and celebration and love. lightness, and of course, as discussed, like, what we found out is that there were certainly some gripes underneath that as well. But it is this, the album has such a lightness to it that I think I clicked play on that trailer. And it was like, you know, everything. She almost sounds

like she's crying in the beginning, like, you know, she sounds like there's sort of this tremble in her voice and she means it so deeply. Everything that she's saying about the work that it's takes to put it together, that I wasn't necessarily expecting the tone of that to immediately go to that kind of intense place. And I wonder, you know, I wonder if the series is going to end up feeling like that. Well, they're definitely going to try to bring the drama. And there's been a lot of hints dropped in her public appearances about the ERAs tour and the physical toll, which is something that was the first thing that you and I talked about when I saw. was like, holy shit, like, how is she doing this?

And it became a central theme. The eye roll was just, you know, maybe they're going to milk it a little bit. Like, this isn't like the invasion of Normandy. But the flip side is, like, it's going to be really cool to see what was actually going on behind the scenes. And there is that scene where she's, like, in her hotel room trying to sleep and Benjamin's hanging around the bathtub. And she's, like, you know, cleaning up and whatever. And but she's wired. Like, she's one of the.

few people on the planet who's had that level of just adrenaline shooting through her body and like full adoration from throngs of people like this. And then it's like you got to go home and go to bed now? Like what the fuck are you talking about? That's why like, and I'm laughing about this, but that's why like a lot of artists who tour like use substances to help them sleep in a lot of ways and to escape from even though that's a massively positive feeling. It's just a hard high to come down from. So seeing how she manages all of that, the physical toll, I promise you we're going to see some toe separators, right? But then the intertwined theme of this is the highs and lows of what was going on in her personal life. And if it starts with midnights, I mean, Nora, remember,

now in hindsight, it is 100% accurate to say, bejewled was a threat that she ended up carrying out. And from that moment to where she is today is a pretty fascinating love story just in and of itself. When you overlay it against the largest global tour of all time, it's going to be something. I think you're probably right.

I do, I, and I would be at least agnostic about whether or not this is a good thing or a bad thing from the perspective of someone just watching this series. I do wonder if it will end up having a little bit of the Miss Americana treatment.

Yeah. Where now, of course, of course. Well, you only see the back of Joe's head. Well, right. And that says something about Joe and Travis obviously behaves very, very differently in those contexts. So I think it will be different. You saw more of Travis in this minute-long video than you did of Joe and Miss America. I think that was intentional.

Sure, sure. And I'm sure that when we get to the Travis portion, there will, like, then it will sort of become about the love story. I'm not so sure that we're going to do too much deep diving into even the relationship stuff in broad terms as it fits into the music for the earlier albums. One, just because I think there's a lot of downside for her there. But more so than that, I just, I had this reaction to the trailer. and the intensity of it and the way that she's talking about it of,

oh, what she thinks this documentary is about. Like what this is about to her is it's about legacy and it's about showing people how hard it was. Right, the leadership of getting all of those airplanes to land on the aircraft carrier at the same time. Yeah. And I don't know that that, like, I just feel like that is the focus that I'm getting. Don't you think, like, there's some moments, just pretend that she never mentions the names Joe or Maddie.

There are some moments on stage where she's crying, playing, and where the fan base was wildly speculating. And it would be fascinating to just know that in addition to the physical highs and lows that she actually, I mean, that's part of the economy. of this tour is that she went through these emotional highs and lows and every single night she went out there put put put the romantic affairs aside what about the night they fucking you know penetrated her security the security detail at the venue and and we're going to you know attack the whole thing and they canceled it and she didn't say anything for a week and then showed back up on stage a week later in london like how about that for an emotional high and low like there just was so much that goes into the show must go on that the the vienna

portion obviously has, you know, that has a layer of part of the lack of response as we talked about. It's like you kind of don't want to overreact to something like that because it might, you know, increase the worry that something like it happens again. Copycats, whatever. Yeah. That's in a slightly different category to me. I just, I agree with you. It's one of the most interesting questions about what they're going to cover in this thing.

I'm not sure if you are going to get the clip of. of, you know, she's playing, she's playing champagne problems. Right. And the tears feel really real. And then you cut to Taylor in this conversation, you know, in a one-on-one with a producer or with the director saying even something kind of vague about, well, I'd been through this in my life. And it was, and, you know, I had to get up on that stage.

and this is how I feel about that. Like maybe, maybe it would be really interesting. I guess I think it's probably more likely that you get to the, we're in Europe and you have all this behind the scenes of, you know, Travis is picking her up in his arms and there's some sort of, maybe like they get into that with one moment of,

contrast of, oh, there she was at this other show looking really sad. And if you are the type of fan who sort of knows all of the backstory, you can put the dots together. I just, I'm getting the sense that we are going to get a docus series that is a little bit more focused on the training and the logistics and the scale and the, like, she doesn't say that much in the trailer. and one of the things she takes time to say is we have broken every record you can break. And like to me, that feels like the mindset of this more so than let me show you how,

kind of in this life of a showgirl way, let me show you the interplay between the human person who does this job and the job itself. I think it's going to be mostly focused on the behind the scenes. What's interesting about the docu-series part of it is it means that you've got to have six interesting beginnings and six interesting endings. Yeah. And so they're going to be vignettes. Surely we're going to get one episode on like how she took the break and incorporated

tortured poets into the show, right? how they sort of transfer, you know, and the re-injection of energy into it and all that stuff. That's going to be fascinating, like how they mixed it up. Surely we're going to get something around, you know, the launch and the decision-making and all of that, like the sort of leading up to, I would imagine that either the first or the second episode,

the end will be, you know, it's been a long time coming. Right, boom, as the big flowery, whatever those things are, lift up off her. And that will be the closing of the first act or the second act that they've led up to. But that, you know, she's going to have to tell some stories within it, which will be really interesting to see how they frame it up. And, I mean, talk to me about the people who are making this movie. I mean, she is certainly going to get a production credit, but she's not getting a directing credit, is she?

Yeah, no, and she's working with the directors, Don Argot and Sheena Joyce, who also directed the Kelsey Amazon documentary, which I thought was pretty, I'm going to be honest, I didn't make it all the way through. That's not a commentary on the series. It's just like I, sometimes the football stuff, I sort of know. Like when they're trying to showcase what that world looks like, I know a lot of those answers. But it seemed totally fine. But I don't know quite how much to glean.

from the directing style of something like that there is for something like this. I honestly think that the most interesting thing about that is like this is further evidence that she's sort of, you know, it is this family business. And I think Travis is a part of that now. I think that anyone who is the, like Taylor Swift is the director of this movie. Yeah, zero percent change she puts this out without her fingerprints all over it. Zero percent. I just, I don't know that it makes that much sense to sort of go, oh,

well, their style tends to be this way or that way or whatever. Like, they're going to do what she tells them to do. And great. But clearly. Yeah, totally. And same thing with the, you know, look, does that make it a different, does that make it a different experience than certain types of documentaries that have a little bit more editorial separation and objectivity, of course?

Yeah, for sure. But I'll tell you this. We're going to know what the fuck she was jumping into because you see her rehearsing that shit. We're going to know what she's jumping into. Yes, thankfully. I'm so, I cannot wait to see that thing. Please, can we find a place to bed on this stuff? Is it just pieces of foam? Is it a ball pit? Is it? Wait, didn't, wasn't there something out there where? The skins of her dead enemies. The landing pad is Brat Green. That's what we're going to find out. It's, I thought that we, I thought that it was like a, uh, sort of over and, or like,

squishy air mattress kind of situation. I thought that was in a, we're going to see it exactly. I mean, she wants you to see how she was moving all around. We're going to see the broom closet. We're going to see the, the sleds that get her out to the end of the stage. We already, by the way, I, like, great job in this trailer, sneaking in just candy for me of,

I'm going to look up all these bath products. Like, we're going to see the way St. Bart's body cleanse. Do you not know what I'm talking about? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Oh my gosh. Navin, when you, this is, when you see that scene where she's taking off her fake eyelashes, and you see the bathtub. and on the edge of the bathtub, in enough focus that you can make out what they are,

you see what the bath routine is, presumably. Are those her or is that the hotel's, like, in-house stuff? I guess it could be. I mean, for all we know, that's in London and her own place. Well, so the cat, I mean, Benjamin Button, the cat is in the room. He's highly mobile. Yeah, I think he's very mobile. The cat backpack, we know, and we know that Benjamin seems to be the least...

Benjamin is the lowest maintenance cat very clearly, which is why he's on camera all the time. He's diva number three. He's so cute. He's the cutest kitten I've ever seen. But I think, first of all, I just feel like Taylor Swift probably uses the products that she wants to use. And second of all, so she's using, she has the Way St. Bart's Body Cleenser. Actually, I haven't used that, but I've used a Way St. Bart's scented product before, and that smell is a really great smell. She has a Dr. Barbara Sturm, super anti-aging cleansing cream.

She has a Tata Harper purifying cleanser. And then this is what makes me think that these are definitely hers. she has the Christoph Robin delicate volumizing shampoo and conditioner. And that seems the whole description of like what that's designed for is color-treated fine hair that if you have to like wash it a lot, it won't get weighed down. And I just, that makes a lot of sense to me. That seems right. That seems like what someone who is getting their hair done. multiple, multiple times a week

and going up there and sweating and probably has a pretty regular wash routine, that just makes a lot of sense to me. And I want to say thank you to Taylor for just like giving us that glimpse. So I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but I'm going to just nod my head yes and say that sounds really interesting

because I think that the equivalent for me is desperately wanting to know what her diet was and how many grams of protein and what her caloric burn was through the course of this and what the workout routine was. I know and I want to see, well, because she's talked about the workout routine,

but this is another thing that I feel strongly about. I want to see it. And I think we will, but I just want to put it out into the universe, Taylor, just because you told, I think it was Time Magazine, how you did it, and the treadmill to the entire set list,

I want that BTS. I want to see it. I'm also talking about it. I want to see her eat a whole plain chicken breast. I want to see her and Travis talk about it. Yeah. I want to see them debate. Like, he would have really good perspective on that.

He does. That guy knows how to track his calories. And his like grams of protein or whatever. Yeah, no, totally. I think we're going to see all of that. The vibe I'm getting is that, like, that's the type of stuff that she's really interested in showing. Yeah. Well, because you've got control over it and it's just detail.

And it's going to be so fun. I'm not surprised that it's coming. The timing of it is no surprise against this, like, just avalanche of announcements and countdown clocks and records. And in a lot of ways, this is the thing that I'm most excited about and most appreciative of that she's put out. I think honestly, and that's not to say anything about life of a showgirl as an album, but like this is, this is going to be the coolest. You're saying including the album. I don't know.

I just think it's going to be the coolest piece of content that comes out. Like there's just so, I have seen behind the scenes of lots and lots of musical tours. And I understand the logistics of how they work and all of the, but there are 150 questions I have about how she pulled this particular thing. off and exactly how big the circle of human beings was that she relied on to do this and who her go-to people were. And, you know, I mean, by the way, they will, if they don't pull in a segment on the errors, errors tour, they will, right? Because they'll also then show you, like, how they pulled their way out of it, right? Shit that went wrong and moments of panic that they

solved that you never got to see out front. There's just going to be. great stuff. So when you talk about those kind of six stories with a beginning and end that are going to add up to one big story, there's, episode one is, is how do you even dream up something like this in the first place? Right. Episode two is it, is it actually a little bit of that troubleshooting process? Is it doing the show?

troubleshooting it a little bit. Is it that adjustment period? Is it like what this actually looks like to do it on stage? Three, maybe you get into the exhaustion, like the real physical portion of how she managed that kind of stamina. Plus, I think in the early, like in not in number one, but in two or three, I think we're going to spend some time with like Gracie Abrams, Sabrina Carpenter, there's going to be some

acknowledgement of the Ares Tor extended family. Right. And then I do think that there is this sort of this wild, well then you have tortured poets. Right. And then I think you have Travis.

And then you have the wrap up, the impact, what it meant to her, what it feels like to have an end. and that kind of gets you to six. I mean, obviously there can be so many different detours and elements of each one of those, but that would be my guess.

Yeah. They could do it that way. They could also approach it from different vectors, right? Like there could be a whole episode on the band and the dancers from their point of view. Sure. And the crew and the truck drivers and the logistics of setting it up.

Like, I want to see actually how long, you know. And then I like what happens when things go wrong, right? And problem solving. There's just a whole bunch of super interesting story vectors. I'm not sure it necessarily needs to be like a chronicle timeline of start to finish so much as like, let's tell the story of how this came together from a bunch of different people's perspectives. And by the way, one of them might be her family and Travis.

I don't know. Yeah. That's where the editorial choice will actually make the storytelling super interesting. I'm not sure it is a calendar because it's not like there was this massive evolution. One episode to your point could be completely transforming it to refresh it, right? As she's getting tired at the end of the first wave, she's got this new album that comes out. How do we inject some new, like, energy into it? Well, because there's really only, you can do the show, you can set up the making of the show.

twice because of adding tortured poets and resetting it in that way. But you probably max out it twice, right? Of the like, we're going to spend a ton of time focusing on how you put something like this together. And then the second one is what it meant to add tortured poets. Is there anything else that you really are hoping we get to see? I mean, I'd like to know how exactly she used her time that summer to go make life of a showgirl. Yeah. I didn't see a lot of people tracking her jet going to Sweden every weekend.

Yeah. Or every Monday, Tuesday. Yeah. Like how she sort of navigated through that because people were catching her, you know, getting into boats in Italy and all that stuff with Travis. Like they were, the Papps were out for her that summer, for sure. Totally. Totally. But they did not track that activity.

She kept that well-guarded secret. Yeah. And clearly she had, she was recording with the phone. She was, like, she has content from that experience. Yeah. But like the camera's sitting behind that giant screen will be super interesting. Just like being behind it and watching as everybody comes off, there's just, it's just like, again, it's, it's, it's the backstage footage that's going to be the most interesting. Yeah, I mean, do you think I wonder if we'll get, like, I wonder if we'll see anything about kind of, kind of.

of the VIP tent and the, to borrow her word, the phenomenon of that and everything that it became. And clearly, like, she told the story about Travis failing to identify Greta Gerwig, but more broadly, Travis kind of coming backstage every night and being like, this is what happened. This is what went down. Maybe there will be some of that. I think that would be fun. I also would love to know, she probably won't share this. I would love some insight into how people get in the tent. I don't mean physically, but I mean obviously some of those people are close friends of Taylor

who are in contact with Taylor and that, I assume, is how they get there. But someone who she thinks highly of but doesn't necessarily know, like when they want to wind up in the air is toward tent, I would love to know like those negotiations. I don't know that we will because really what I want to know is. I want to know who she said no to, but I don't think she'll tell me. That's why she's not going to tell you that process. But the process is people reach out to management agent. They collect it.

And then they would sit with her and say, here's who's reached out and here's how we're going to put him. Well, yeah, sure. And she doesn't want to be responsible for the veto. What do you think is the over-under number of cocktails or glasses of wine that we're going to see her with in this documentary? Hmm. It's going to be about six hours? So here's a question. Do you think that it will be...

Six hours? Is it going to be six hour long? 45 minutes? How long is this thing going to be? I guess I'm assuming that they're like an hour each, but what if some of them could be longer? Yeah, I think they're going to be like 45, 50 minute episodes, like a full swing or a drive-to-surve kind of thing.

Yeah, I think that's probably right. Let's see. Do you think that it will feel similar? similar to so you're saying two per episode yes I wonder if they might be editing some of that out we'll see yeah we'll see

the official every single album over under is set at 12 we'll have to find out what happens there do you think that there's any I wasn't necessarily surprised to see this on Disney Plus obviously that's they've been a partner for her and it makes all the sense in the world? Well, look, I think

they had an opportunity to sell it for more to Netflix or to Amazon. And I think they probably got a comparable price from Disney. I'm sure they had those conversations. I think if you just step back and look at this campaign, everything that she did was with partners that she's worked with before. She knows and trusts the universal music system

who distributed her stuff. She knows and trusts Fallon, Seth Myers, in the NBC world to be the TV, and Graham Norton, and then those couple of radio shows that she knows. It was all a highly controlled

partner I trust. We have worked with you before, so I know what it's like to make the creative decisions. I know how you respond to my asks and direction around message and all that stuff, and that's what she's done

with Disney before. Yeah. I mean, she's done that with Netflix. before too. I guess it's been a little bit longer. I think it's... It felt like run it back. Yeah, I think that makes sense. I also think that she has...

You know, I think she is balancing this dynamic of being someone who is making this stuff and is having this career that she wants to be taken very seriously. And then there is this element of she has so many fans who are really, really, really young. and the fan base is like in some way as kind of bifurcating in the directions of the little kids and the moms and Disney's good for that, right? Yeah, that's right.

And they've got a platform across normal TV. I mean, she announced it on Good Morning America a show that is owned by Disney. Right, yeah. I just, you know, just, thought. Just something I was curious about. All right. Anything else from this trailer? Anything else in terms of the docu series? Otherwise, I want to ask you about Taylor Swift, the heiress tour, the final show, which will also be released. Now, what is this going to be? I mean,

there weren't as many robots in the way. I mean, you remember those, one of those nights in Los Angeles, there was this too many robots on stage blocking people's views. It was crazy. And then there was the guy with just the monster calves who was up on stage. Yes, I too remember that. Running around. I was like, this guy has the perfect job. I hope we see him.

Oh, I hope we see calves in the behind the scenes. That would be great. That guy was a fucking real man. And then so there wasn't as much of that. So it'll be interesting to see how they shot this one. and how it differs from what you've already seen. Like, what are the perspectives this time other than featuring tortured poets?

Yeah, we get it. Okay, so there'll be that whole section. That's interesting. Honestly, I kind of don't want it to be different. You just want the same show? I want it to be the... I just want the Ares Tour concert movie, including tortured poets,

to be available to me to watch on my television. Also, while we're at it, The Reputation World Tour Concert Film Why? Why is this not available to me to play on my television, Nathan? Why? I think they had trouble with the snake licensing, maybe.

Okay. Well, can Karen the snake and Karen's representation get in a room with someone and get that back on my streaming services? I think that game is over. We got too many other things. focused on. All the RepTrusers are really disappointed by this content release cycle. It's a great.

The reputation tour was so good. And it's in danger of being lost to history because it ended up being largely because of a global pandemic, the tour before the heiress tour. And one way to ensure that we do not lose our history in this way would be to get it back on a streaming service. Well, Wouldn't you, if you were Taylor Swift and at some point you were going to, you know, do a whole reputation thing where you put out the vault and maybe a few of the tracks that she had already re-recorded, wouldn't you put all that out together just like she is here? Fine. I think she's saving that down the road. Okay. That's like mostly fine, except for the fact that it is a crisp fall day.

And when you and I have finished with doing this wonderful podcast that I'm a little bit worked up during but largely very happy about. I would love to go downstairs and click on a televised performance of the Reputation World Tour. It was something that meant a lot to me. And it has been inexplicably absent from any streaming service for a really long time at this point. There's always a plan, Nora. She knows what she's doing. Okay. Okay.

She wants all eyes on this doc. And she's going to get it. I mean, I'm fired up. I really am. Maybe she'll do, you know, I wonder, I wonder if she'll do a little bit of narrating this time. I'm almost certain. I would expect that she would, right? You know, you always, like, if you think about the drive to survive full swing stuff, like, there are, you know, they bring in some people to sort of set the stage and sort of give you context.

Sort of talking head style. Yeah, exactly. But she's, I don't think she's going to do that. You don't think she's going to sit there and do interviews like she did for some of the life of a showgirl behind the scene stuff? I think she will. Yeah, there won't be other people who come in. In Drive to Survive, it's like, you know, it's an F1 journalist. It's like, it's the principles.

It's not. Well, let's put this way. Nobody called us. That's true. Nathan just sitting in a chair being like, well, the heiastore. Yeah, that's what everybody wants to see. I think, I mean, the trailer feels very narrated. The trailer is, is Taylor doing voiceover work, essentially.

And then you do have the one clip where she's talking in a behind-the-scenes moment. So I think it'll be a mix of that, but I bet she will do a lot of, I bet she will do voiceover narration and talking head narration. But I don't think. that this is going to be the type of docuseries where a collection of voices that you're hearing from intermittently you know, back and forth

the whole way through together paint a picture. Right. I think Taylor Swift is going to paint a picture and there will be other people who fill in little blanks around her. Well, it's a pretty fun game even for the audience to play

to just block those six episodes and sort of what are they going to be about? Do you do it chronologically? do you do it by different people's perspectives and stories? Where are the different angles? That's a fun guessing game. How many drinks are you going to have? Even over under 12.

We could do a whole little, maybe we should do this. We could do a whole little set of predictions, set the lines, whatever, because number of cat appearances. Correct. Ed Kelsey Moments. If there's one person who, if they did interview footage,

Taylor and Tree, we're like, hey, we're going to need to review that. It is Ed Kelsey. A number of pieces of merchandise that Scott Swift is filmed handing out to the crowd. Thousands. Millions, even. The limit does not exist.

Yeah. Can I ask you something? Maybe we can come up with that. Yes, please, of course. Did you notice that she was pretty hidden away the other night at the Chiefs game? That's the first time we've seen her,

at least on camera, in the box. She wasn't, that box was not open, it was closed, she was back. She took plenty of pictures with people and whatever, but she was not. not sit in front row there and we weren't getting all of the play-by-play reactions. I mean, Travis fell on his head at one point and we didn't get her. Like, last season we had the, oh my gods and the holy shit, I'm going to fucking die, you know, kind of stuff. Like, we got

none of that. Do you think that is, I mean, first of all, look like she was hanging back. And I wonder if that's a security thing, if that's a, you know, when it's time to go thing. But I also seems like the cameras stayed away from her. And I do want to, wonder if like that was intentional and that was a request. Huh. I mean, they didn't stay away from her entirely. Like, they did train the long ranges on the suite. Yeah, she gave Ed Kelsey a hug when she showed up and all that.

But we didn't get a lot. We didn't get nearly as much as we got per game last year. The per game tailor shots declined. dramatically and she seemed to be in a position in that box that was intentionally avoiding it. Yeah. Well, and what I'm saying is that I think it's more a product of her being in a position in that box that is intentionally avoiding it than the broadcast team staying away. I think she is now making choices that are intended to keep herself hidden as much as possible when she's in that environment. you are not seeing her going in and out in the same way.

You're not seeing her in, you know, pressed up against the glass in the same way. Why? Because we saw her everywhere else last week. It would have been the perfect cap from my perspective to a week in which the point was to have everybody talking about Taylor Swift and streaming her music to be on Sunday night football, which is basically the most watched telecast of the week. and that would have been the capstone, but she clearly opted out of that in her own way. And I think, again, there's two reasons. One is this is going to be a space that is about Travis, not me,

or, you know, and these aren't me two things. It's dangerous. The flip side of that is that she hadn't been being seen at the games. And so in some ways, maybe she felt the same way as you just laid out and wanted to be there and wanted to. be seen there to some extent, but, and to an extent that is more than at some of the past games, which she's either not gone to or been very, very private at. And so maybe I just wouldn't be surprised if this is the new normal is what I'm trying to say. I think you're right. I'm only

asking why. My why is just that it seems infinitely more pleasant. and sustainable within the particulars of her life. Can we talk about one more thing that happened this weekend? Yeah. Did you happen to watch Saturday Night Live this weekend? I did. And did you happen to watch role model bringing one Charlie XX out as Sally?

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And now Vanity Fair profile today from on Charlie. Yeah, there is a lot going on in Charlie World for sure. And like Taylor, she has some aspirations to get involved in the film world. And they seem to be taken off. Yeah, I mean, she's wearing the Max's Kansas City shirt, which role model had been wearing earlier in the week.

So maybe that's overblown. But, boy, there's enough of breadcrumb trail. if you want to talk about Easter egging, there's some Easter egging, some reverse Easter egging that seemed to happen. Yeah. I mean, I think, like, I thought the shirt was,

yes, role model wore it earlier in the week. I think Charlie XX is smart enough to know how that's going to play, right? Like how that's going to read to people. You know, Kansas City, obviously makes people think pretty quickly

about some things that have a tie-in with Taylor. It also feels so like Max's Kansas City is this or was this like nightclub that was a gathering spot for all sorts of downtown New York artists. You know, Andy Warhol used to hang out there. It like it does play pretty well into the dynamic of like, yeah, you're. You're Kansas City in the Midwest. I'm Max's Kansas City with the downtown cool kids. Maybe it was an accident. It's just a pretty, it's a pretty appropriate one.

It's a pretty life imitates art moment if that wasn't planned in any way. I like that song and I like Charlie XX, so I had a good time. Yeah, it was fun. There was some weird like role model criticism, but I think it, is mostly bought-ish at this point. Oh, what do you? Based on what? I don't know.

Just that it was kind of, people weren't that into the performance, but I thought it was fun. Well, I did see one comment that I did think was kind of funny, which was there is a segment of the S&L audience that probably maybe doesn't even know role model, definitely doesn't care.

And it was very savvy to involve Charlie because that same segment of the audience definitely likes Charlie X-E-X. Right. And so there was something for everyone there. Was it like a... She's chum in the water.

She's chumming the water a little bit. And, you know, that said, this Vanity Fair piece talks a lot about her, you know, a lot about her insecurity and about her feeling that tension that I thought was reflected beautifully on Brat

as, you know, am I a pop star? Am I an underground? How do I make music? And then just deciding to make Brad and hoping for the best in it working out. That's the sort of wonderful dramatic arc of it all. But it's interesting. Oh, totally. Me too. It's interesting. I do think it's hard to look away from some of the Easter eggs. Let's put it that way. I love it because I think everyone here is okay. I really do. And that's just my opinion. But I think Charlie, you know, Charlie really understands and really gets how these narratives play out and how to do that Easter egging and to respond without responding and how people react to that and how that back and forth kind of works. And Taylor Swift is completely on top of the world, as we've said, and I think is also fine.

and right now, whatever is going on, is creating music and appearances and commentary that I think is interesting. And as Taylor said, it's all supposed to be a mirror. So I enjoyed it. Anything else. Anything else you want to. So Taylor's posted a couple times. she's posted about the record breaking of the album and breaking Adel's record.

Four million. Four million. People are going to the Travis Patrick Mahomes Steakhouse in Kansas City. There was a very funny review of that restaurant in New York Magazine, which said it was mostly pretty good. Okay. Anything else in your mind? DeAngelo died. Oh.

One of the best ever do it. Well, that's a bummer. Yeah. That's very sad. Go listen to one more again. Go listen to voodoo, top to bottom. One of the best to ever do it. Okay, well, that's a bummer, but I do, maybe people can go do that and, and gosh, are we just going to leave it there?

Yeah, we are, because we probably have, we have to figure out what we're going to talk about next week. Taylor, don't do something. I know. We have, we don't have to, I mean, we have to figure out what we're going to talk about next week in the sense that there is a whole backlog of things

that we've wanted to talk about and have not been talking about for a solid month at this point. Because a certain person takes all the oxygen out of the room in the way that only she can. So we'll get to the rest of what we've missed starting next week.

Sabrina. Sorry. Sabrina. Crush SNL. Do you think we're going to have, is there going to be like a Taylor, Marcelo sketch? I guess I think that Chip has sailed.

Really? You think that Taylor is going to do a cameo on Sabrina's SNL night? We might get a Domingo sketch. Let's see. Okay. Well, that would be very exciting. Anything else.

Any other like pop star names you want to ram? randomly shout at me or people you want to tell me have died within the last 60 minutes. That's it. Okay. Well, then in that case, this has been every single album. I'm Nora Princeati. As always, he's Nathan Hubbard.

Thank you to Kaya McMullen for producing this episode. And to you for listening, we'll talk to you next week.