Everyday AI Podcast – An AI and ChatGPT Podcast - EP 112: Browse with Bing - The New ChatGPT Feature You Shouldn't Use
Episode Date: September 29, 2023The new Browse with Bing mode in ChatGPT has people buzzing. Does this new feature finally remove the September 2021 cut-off knowledge date? Well not exactly. We're exploring ChatGPT's Brows...e with Bing and showing you why you shouldn't use this feature just yet.Newsletter: Sign up for our free daily newsletterMore on this Episode: Episode PageJoin the discussion: Ask Jordan questions about ChatGPTUpcoming Episodes: Check out the upcoming Everyday AI Livestream lineupWebsite: YourEverydayAI.comEmail The Show: info@youreverydayai.comConnect with Jordan on LinkedInTimestamps:[00:01:35] Daily AI news[00:08:20] Background of Browse with Bing[00:12:00] Browse with Bing isn't accurate[00:14:00] Browsing the internet with ChatGPT plugins[00:18:40] Browse with Bing limitation examples[00:26:50] Browse with Bing doesn't show the work it's doing[00:31:00] Final summary of Browse with BingTopics Covered in This Episode:1. Introduction to Browse with Bing in ChatGPT2. Importance of Browsing with Bing vs Plugins to Avoid Hallucinations3. Evaluation of ChatGPT's Browse with Bing Feature3. Emphasizing Accuracy and Relevance in Large Language ModelsKeywords:Meta AI, Facebook, Reuters report, AI virtual assistant, public data, language models, daily newsletter, Browse with Bing, curiosity, insights, truthful information, time-saving, ChatGPT, prime prompt and polish course, ChatGPT plugins, Internet access, hallucinations, staying up to date, healthcare, AI-powered robots, accuracy, relevance, business changes, evolving history, AI news, Johnny Ive, Sam Altman, $1 billion fundraising, undisclosed AI device, OpenAI, large language model.Send Everyday AI and Jordan a text message. (We can't reply back unless you leave contact info) Start Here ▶️Not sure where to start when it comes to AI? Start with our Start Here Series. You can listen to the first drop -- Episode 691 -- or get free access to our Inner Cricle community and all episodes: StartHereSeries.com Also, here's a link to the entire series on a Spotify playlist.
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There's a new feature in chat GPT that you probably shouldn't use.
Everyone's talking about the new browse with Bing and how now chat GPT is no longer limited
to a knowledge cutoff of September 2021.
Not exactly true.
Stick with me.
We're going to talk about that and a little bit more today on every.
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excited to talk about this and to shed some light. But first, let's do what we always do.
And talk about what's going on in the world of AI news. And you might be one of the one of the
Okay, why do you go over news every single day? Well, because it's important. All right. And it's happening
very, very fast. And in order for us to all keep up in our careers, we really have to know what's
going on with artificial intelligence. Because whether you've experienced this or not, it's going to be
impacting your career. If it hasn't, very soon. All right. So let's run down our top stories for today.
So Johnny Ive and Sam Altman are looking to raise $1 billion for an unnamed AI device.
So we obviously reported on this initial partnership between the famed Apple designer,
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But we haven't talked about that they're looking to raise a billion dollars for this device
that no one knows what it is.
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So next big piece of AI news for the day is those social media posts that you've been posting for years,
they've probably been used to train meta's new models.
So at MetaConnect this week, the Facebook.
parent company announced a slew of new AI chatbot and other AI features that will be rolled out
across their platforms. But a new Reuters report revealed that meta platforms did and is using
public Facebook and Instagram post to train parts of their new meta AI virtual assistant. But they do not
use private posts that maybe you're sharing with only friends and family. But if you are posting
things publicly on Facebook and Instagram. This new report says that they are using that to train
their models. You know, no surprise there. You know, I like to tell people, in general, large
language models are a collection of all available public data. So it's no surprise there,
but it's definitely worth talking about if you are making public post on probably any platform,
you should keep in mind that that's probably going to be used to train future AI models.
So don't put any sensitive documents out there as well.
All right.
Last but not least, our third AI story of the day.
The U.S. government is getting more serious about AI security threats.
So the national security agency, the NSA, is creating an artificial intelligence security center
to protect the U.S. against threats from adversaries such as China and Russia.
So the AI is being used to assist in analysis of potential threats, but the decisions are made by humans.
What do you all think about that?
My thought is what took so long?
You know, obviously I don't know how the government works at an intricate level, but, you know, I'm wondering why is the NSA just kind of pushing this initiative forth?
Now, it seems like it should have been happening a long time ago.
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All right. But let's talk about the main topic of the day, which is this new feature from
Open AI and their product, chat GPT, called Browse with Bing.
I'm curious.
Let me know.
I'd love to answer some questions, whatever questions you have about it.
But is anyone out there using it?
I'd like to know.
And hopefully we can shed some light on this topic today.
And this, you know, I'm not going to, this isn't going to be one of those ones where I
accidentally rant for 45 minutes.
But I am going to tell you the truth and hopefully save you a lot of time and to help you more
effectively use chat GPT and to get more out of it.
That's what we do, right?
Multiple times every single week, we run a free prime prompt and polish course.
So, hey, shout it out if you like it, curious.
So in our PPP course, we teach people exactly how do you.
use chat GPT and the pros and the cons of every single feature because here's here's the reality
and i'm not just talking about open AI here i'm talking all companies there's always marketing
and what they say and then there's always a big difference between the reality and how something
performs um and especially which we're going to get into here in a second when we look at the effectiveness
of the new and it's technically not new,
but I'll get to that in a second.
But when we look at the effectiveness of this new feature
Browse with Bing,
we can't just look at it on its own.
We have to compare it to what else you can do
inside chat, GPT, in different modes,
specifically plugins.
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So let's get in. Let's get into the to the topic at hand, shall we? So Trey,
Trey has a comment about it. So he's saying he switched to, he switched on the Browse
with Bing feature in Chat GBT, GBT, and could not figure out how to get chat GPD to
browse the internet. It keeps telling me its last update was January 2020. All right. So let's talk a
little bit about the history first of Browse with Bing. Yes, there is a history. And then let's
talk about why it's back now and why I think you should not use it. Okay. So the browse with Bing
was actually just re-released, okay, earlier this week. And kind of the messaging is that you're no
longer limited to data from 2021. And there's some there's some, there's some
truth to that.
And then there is some
ambiguity.
Okay.
So I'm going to go ahead.
I'm going to share.
I'm going to share this
tweet here from
OpenAI.
Right.
And I want to talk specifically
about the wording.
So when they announced this
or reannounce this new feature,
they said chat GPT can now
browse the internet to provide you
with current and authoritative
information,
complete with direct links to sources.
It is no longer limited to data before September 2021.
Okay.
So if we look at that word by word, it is true.
However, you know, and I'm putting on my former reporter hat.
You know, I was a journalist for seven years very early on in my professional career.
So there is no, there's no lie here.
That's all fact.
You know, as the kids say, no, no cap.
That's what the kids say, right?
However, the message that everyone is picking up and interpreting here is completely
incorrect, which is why I said, okay, I have to have a show specifically on this and how
we're interpreting, uh, interpreting this message from open AI because what everyone is
saying now is they're saying, oh, chat GPT and GPT4 now, there is no knowledge.
cut off, right? And real quick, let me explain the knowledge cutoff. So essentially, you know, GPT is a model.
It is a large language model from Open AI. And think of it this way. It is trained on the
entirety of the internet. Let's just say that. There's 1.8 trillion parameters inside this model.
But it is trained on the entirety of the internet and essentially all the information that existed
up to September 2021.
Okay?
That is the base model.
Now let's separate facts from marketing.
All right.
And what everyone else is taking from this message, you know, because I think what a lot of
people like to do in the chat GPT space or the AI space is, you know, they like to
make these posts on social media or these blog posts or these emails.
And they like to really sensationalize things.
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This does not change the cutoff date, right?
It doesn't.
the GPT4 model, even when you're using Browse with Bing, is still limited to September
2021.
So when you use Browse with Bing, each query, essentially what it does is it performs a quick
search.
Okay.
And we, you know, have run this through testing and we'll probably share something a little
more in depth when we have some more time.
But it's also not always.
accurate. You know, anytime, anytime a new feature comes out, we run it through a lot of testing.
You know, and in our testing so far, it's not always accurate. You know, we like to trick these
little models up. So, you know, we'll put pages on our website. We'll, we'll change the title.
We'll hide information. You know, we'll make the URL one thing, but the content,
the body of the content, something else.
Okay.
And let me just real quick.
I'm going to show you, I'm going to show you all a quick example, right?
Because I don't want you just to take my word.
I want you to be able to see this for yourself.
Okay.
And also see the difference in quality and the difference in results from using browse
with Bing to a different model.
All right, but before I show you that, I said a quick history lesson, and I'm going to try to make it quick here.
So Browse with Bing was released many months ago, but they had to pull it, I believe, in the end of July.
Because what they saw was happening is the Browse with Bing feature was actually bypassing paywalled content.
Right?
And content publishers were not happy about it.
They were so unhappy that Open AI was facing many, many large.
lawsuits from publishing companies saying, hey, this feature is bypassing our paywalls.
And it's making all of this information publicly available.
And that's not good.
So Open AI had to take this feature down for a couple of months and re-engineered a bit.
And now they have re-released it.
Okay.
other part of the history lesson, the ability to browse the internet, even during that, you know,
three or four month period where Brows with Bing was temporarily disabled, the ability to browse
the internet has always been there.
Right.
It's why I talk about chat GPT plugins so frequently on this show.
Because I feel that the overwhelming majority of people, even people who used
chat GPT regularly. When the browse with Bing feature went away, everyone assumed, okay,
well, I can't access any information post 2021. Well, yeah, you can. Right. There's now,
I think the count is probably 40 different chat GPT plugins that can access the internet,
all in different ways. And I believe about 25 or so of them are free. Okay. And we've covered some of our
favorites on the show. So that is a quick history lesson. Even when Browse with Bing was down
temporarily, you have always been able to access the internet via chat GPT plugins. We talk about that
in our free Prime Prompt Polish course and we show some examples. And also, you have to
talk about why, right? Why do you need Browse with Bing or why do you need chat Chept with plugins?
Well, number one, it helps you avoid hallucinations, right?
So if you're newer to large language models or if you're newer to chat GPT,
especially when you're asking about topics that may have changed a lot in the last two years,
chat GPT and other large language models tend to hallucinate.
They tend to make things up, especially things that are maybe more recent than September 2021.
And here's the reality now.
That's more than two years old, right?
Things from September 2021 are like a lifetime ago.
Almost every aspect, almost every sector of the world of business and everything else has changed.
Okay.
So even when you are using chat GPT for a purpose that you feel may not need access to the internet and you think,
oh, maybe this doesn't need access to information, you know, since September 2021.
Yeah, it does.
Please, someone tell me.
someone tell me one topic that has not changed since September 2021.
Whatever you're using Chad GPT for, whether it's to write a paper for school,
to help with a report for work, whatever it may be.
Like what has not changed in the last 25 months?
I'd love to hear, you know, even though you could say, oh, history.
Yeah, history's changed.
They're finding, you know, history's always changing.
You know, we're finding out new topics, societal change.
changes and shifts and trends toward how we even view what happened historically.
Things are always changing, okay, which is why it's important to use an internet-connected
large language model.
Okay?
So let me say this.
Let me say this.
Why should you avoid browse with Bing?
I'm going to show you a very quick example, but.
essentially this.
You are very limited.
And this is where we get into the marketing message versus what is actually possible.
Okay.
Because yes, it is still September 2021.
All right.
Whether you're using chat GPT plugins or browse with Bing, please keep in mind that doesn't erase that date.
that date is always the baseline of what you're working with.
Every single query that you put into chat GPD,
whether it is immediately, you know, quote unquote,
browse with Binged.
I don't know if we can make that a verb or you're using chat GPD plugins.
The base model, at least for now, is always September 2021.
So nothing replaces that date.
All right.
That's important.
So that's why we have to look at the wording.
of OpenAI's announcement, and we have to look at the message that a lot of people want to
sensationalize, and they say, all right, now chat GPT has superpowers. No, it doesn't. Not with
browse with Bing. Okay. The other thing is you cannot browse individual webpages in depth
or sometimes at all using Browse with Bing. All right. So let's go ahead and
take a look. I said I would show you a couple examples. So let's let's see an example here.
Right. All right. So in this example, I am using browse with Bing. Okay. So I have a new chat.
I have browse with Bing. This is the article I asked for a summary for. All right. So this was actually
an episode that I did yesterday on every day. I had Dr. Harvey Castro. And we talked AI in
health care, right? So here's what I asked Browse with Bing. I said, please summarize this
article. And then I left the URL. Very simple, right? So even if you're listening on the podcast,
hopefully we can follow here. I went into Browse with Bing. I said, please summarize this article,
and I gave the URL. Okay. And the response here that I got from Browse with Bing is extremely
topical. Okay. And if I'm being honest, a lot of
what Browse with Bing is telling me here, it doesn't seem entirely accurate.
Okay.
So another thing that I'm not crazy about in Browse with Bing is it doesn't always show
its work.
Okay.
So if you do ask a general query, it will give you a citation, right?
It'll give you a link and say more here.
So that's great.
So shout out to Open AI for including that feature.
Citing and sourcing is extremely important.
But the response I got is essentially a two or three sentence.
You know, this article delves into the current and potential future applications of artificial
intelligence and healthcare.
You know, it discusses how AI is being used, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Extremely general text that if I'm being honest, I don't even know.
I don't even know if that is true or not, right?
Even though, you know, we had a 50-minute conversation.
I'm looking at some of this.
I'm like, we didn't really talk in depth about.
how data analysis can improve diagnosis.
You know, and that's the first thing that browse with Bing mentions.
I'm like, we mentioned that kind of in passing, but we didn't really specifically talk about
that.
Right.
And the thing that I do not like about browse with Bing, at least right now, all you get
is you get a little icon and it says finished browsing.
That's all I know.
I don't know anything else.
Right.
And working with a large language model and making sure that you are putting out accurate,
up-to-date, relevant information is paramount.
So with the Browse with Bing model, right here, very topical.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not sure if the Browse with Bing actually read this article, right?
I don't know.
Do you?
So let's look at a similar, let's look at a similar one here.
using chat GPT plugins.
All right.
So let me,
I'm going to go ahead and switch over here.
And this is something that we always teach in our free PPP course.
Okay?
We teach plug-in packs.
It's important.
I'm not going to get into that here.
But essentially,
I have three different plugins enabled.
And that piece is extremely important.
Okay?
Because when I use browse with Bing,
that information is siloed.
I can't do anything else with it.
It lives there, right?
I can't connect it to other, you know,
marketing automations or other services or anything else.
It just lives there.
All right.
So now we are viewing the exact same query in a new chat using plugins mode.
Again, when you use Browse with Bing,
you can't enable plugins.
It is its own mode.
So you have to choose.
I'm either going to do this in Browse with Bing,
or I'm going to do this in Plugins mode.
So in this Plugins mode, I have three plugins enabled.
These are kind of my three go-to plugins.
I'm using an Internet-connected plugin called Browser Op.
I'm using an Internet-connected plugin called VoxScript,
and then I'm using a kind of a YouTube summary plugin called YouTube Summaries.
But same query here.
I'm saying, please summarize this article.
All right?
Let's look at the result here.
The result says the article titled, and it gives me the entire article, and it gives me now an overview.
So I have a bullet pointed overview.
It says this article is based on a podcast episode where host Jordan Wilson and guest Dr. Harvey Castro discussed the potential, right?
Already within the first sentence, I'm already getting much better and more accurate results, right?
And here we are highlighting all of the major.
topics, right? So we have AI as a game changer in healthcare technology with two bullet points,
multimodality technology and its impact, two bullet points. AIs role in medical research and drug
discovery, two bullet points. AI powered robots in healthcare, two specific bullet points. So hopefully
you don't have to be tuning in on the live screen and viewing my screen to just see the difference
there in one example. Right. When I look at the browser thing, I'm not even sure. Is it accurate?
is it actually reading this article? Because I've done this, I've done this before. So I'm jumping back
now into Browse with Bing. I've done this before with Bing chat, you know, Google barred,
basically any kind of like quote unquote internet connected large language model. And a lot of times
what these large language models do specifically if you are sharing a URL, which is such a good
use case of using a large language model, by the way, because this is how we spend them a
of our time as knowledge workers in the U.S. if you're working in front of a computer,
you're reading a lot of websites to learn new information, PDFs, learning new topics with
YouTube videos, whatever it may be. So if you can't have that confidence using browse with Bing,
and I also can't go back and check my work. Again, here we are. It just says finish browsing
and it has a general, you know, two or three very general sentences that I don't know if they're
true or not. Right? You see the problem?
you see why you probably shouldn't be using it.
However, when I go into my plug-in mode here, the details are here.
There is zero doubt that my chat here is giving me accurate information.
That is always the number one thing when you're learning to use a large language model
is you have to say, is this accurate?
Is all of this correct?
And if you do not have 100% certainty in that, you shouldn't be using that mode.
All right.
And I don't care what the use case is because, yes, I'm just showing you one use case of Browse
with Bing, but I think it's important because when people start pushing this narrative of,
oh, knowledge cutoff is gone.
This mode is great.
It's perfect.
It's, you know, hey, they fixed it.
They brought it back.
It's amazing.
Well, no, it's not.
It's flawed.
It's flawed.
All right.
I just showed you one flaw.
But look, when we look at Browse with Bing, or sorry, when we look at plug-in mode here,
not only do we have all of this, all of this level of detail, but what Open AI needs to include
is you need to be able to see the work.
Okay.
So in browser mode, it shows me what plugin it used.
So it says used browser up.
And there is a little toggle.
And I can click that toggle.
And now I can see exactly what this plugin is doing and what it's seeing.
I am seeing with my eyes kind of the code of that web page.
I can scroll through because we put transcriptions on our episode pages.
We put overviews.
We write some complementary, supplementary content.
We put a lot of work into these articles.
but I can go through and read it all here.
So I know with certainty that chat GPT with plugins
is seeing all of this information and is ingesting it.
When I go with Browse with Bing,
I have no clue what's going on here.
I have no clue if it's accurate.
All right.
I'm going to try to, let's see if I can get a question or two.
What do you guys think?
Are you going to use Browse with Bing?
If I'm being honest,
I don't think you should use it.
I don't think you should use it.
At least not right now.
They need to make some improvements.
Again, that's just one, that's one thing.
That's one thing.
Right?
All right.
Let's see.
Let's see here.
Leonard, thank you for your comment.
Leonard's saying agreed.
It's a disappointment.
Bing is still king of live access, in my opinion, other than plugins.
Yeah.
I will agree that anything with,
Bing inside a large language model does do a little bit better than Google Bard.
Like I said, I've tested all of these multiple times because sometimes these large language models that are, you know, quote unquote, internet connected will just strictly hallucinate.
That's why we do tests.
You know, we'll, we'll do tests and we'll give it a URL that does not match the content of the article.
And we'll say summarize this.
And a lot of times large language models will just go on what you give them.
I've done reviews of this.
They just look at the text of the URL, and they essentially query that.
So if you are saying, please summarize this article, please give me the high points of this article.
A lot of times it's going to make it up, and it's just going to look at the URL, and it's going to query the URL.
All right.
So one question here.
We'll get to this one.
So thank you for LinkedIn user.
It doesn't say whose question this is.
but someone asking, does it work similarly as BingChat, meaning it selects some keywords and searches?
So again, right now, we don't know.
In our initial testing, it is not as inaccurate as it was, you know, a month or two ago on Bing Chat.
So that is two different things and that is worth calling out.
So Bing Chat, obviously, Microsoft Bing.
has their own AI chat.
So if you go to, you know, I don't even know if it's Bing.com,
but they keep kind of restricting access on Chrome.
But there is a separate Microsoft Bing chat.
And then there is a browse with Bing mode inside of chat GPD.
So thank you for that question.
Does it work similarly?
Yeah.
But again, right now, we don't know because it's no longer really showing us
the information of what's going on under the hood.
But thank you for that.
We will run some.
further test. This is just a new mode inside chat GPT. So we wanted to bring to bring this.
Yeah. So yeah, Douglas, same thing. Another question. How does Browse with Bing compare with Bing search,
but being AI search? Again, it's probably a little, a little too early to tell. But I will tell you
this. I will tell you this. Thank you. Thank you for learning along with us.
I promise you this wouldn't be a 45-minute tangent, so we're going to wrap things up here.
And I'm going to give you the high-level, high-level summary as we wrap out the week on the everyday AI show.
Browse with Bing, this new feature from OpenAI that is available in chat GPT is its own mode.
However, I recommend you do not use it, at least right now as it is for two main reasons.
Number one, we still don't know accuracy.
Presumably, it's a little more accurate than it was previously when they had to pull it.
But even I showed you right now, even on an article that I wrote on a podcast that I helped produce and I interviewed yesterday,
I'm not even sure if the overview that Browsworth Bing gave me is factual or if it's just querying the different words in the
URL. I'm not sure. Number two, it doesn't show the work. Browse with Bing right now does not show
the work. And that is paramount. When working with large language models, generative AI in general,
we need transparency. We need to see exactly what's going on under the hood. Right now, we don't have
access to that right now with Browse with Bing. And it's important to know. Browse with Bing is only
available if you have chat gpd plus the $20 a month planned and if you have that you also have
access to plug-in so right now i will still say do not use browse with Bing as it is now instead
use chat GPT with plugins use internet connected plugins they're more flexible and
it doesn't live in a silo inside browse with Bing everything lives there you can't do anything else when you
use chat GPT with plugins, you can have one internet connected plugin that can do a lot of different
things, read PDFs, it can summarize YouTube videos, it can query the internet, it can visit a direct link
and give you exactly what it's doing there. But then you can do more with that information, right?
You can bring in a marketing automation plugin in that same chat. You can bring in access to a CSV.
So you could be, you know, summarizing, you know, long articles or PDFs and pulling information.
out and putting all that information into a spreadsheet as an example, right?
So browse with Bing is essentially a version of a search inside of a large language model
that you don't have a lot of control of and you don't have really a record of what it's doing.
Chat GPT with plugins, you can automate your entire business.
You have much more transparency, much more flexibility, much more power in what you do to grow
your company and grow your career. So that's it. For now, don't use browse with Bing.
Use chat chabit with plugins. All right. Thank you for joining this week. Hey, if this was helpful,
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