Everyday AI Podcast – An AI and ChatGPT Podcast - EP 114: Canva and AI - A Winning Combination?
Episode Date: October 3, 2023Is Canva's AI a game-changer? Can it compete with the major players in the creative space like Adobe and Dall-E? We're exploring Canva's AI tools to see its capabilities and how viable ...Canva is to help you create quick but effective creatives. Newsletter: Sign up for our free daily newsletterMore on this Episode: Episode PageJoin the discussion: Ask Jordan questions about Canva and AIUpcoming Episodes: Check out the upcoming Everyday AI Livestream lineupWebsite: YourEverydayAI.comEmail The Show: info@youreverydayai.comConnect with Jordan on LinkedInTimestamps:[00:01:25] Daily AI news[00:03:30] Canva's position in the creative space[00:07:45] Creating designs with Magic Design [00:12:45] Using Magic Write[00:15:55] AI image generator[00:18:50] AI image editing tools[00:23:00] Magic Grab featureTopics Covered in This Episode: 1. Canva AI and its Effectiveness2. Canva's Dominance in the Design Scene3. Canva's AI Image Generator4. Canva's Magic Grab FeatureKeywords:Canva, swap out photos, edit headings, text creation feature, presentation, history of artificial intelligence, edit text, small font size, Volion Group, AI-driven stock picking, beating the market, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, Bing's AI chat, Copilot, blank presentation, LinkedIn live stream, AI photo generator, game changer, Adobe Photoshop, design makers, podcast, magic design button, Google BARD, AI chatbot, memory feature, custom instructions, OpenAI's ChatGPT platform, small businesses, Adobe Photoshop, design programs, QuarkXPress, Freeport, Illinois, Adobe Suites, dominant, Photoshop, generative fill, online version, Adobe InDesign, design elements, erased images, beta, magic grab, designers, creatives, marketing, advertising, foreground, background, rule of thirds, product images, social media, time-saving feature, entire presentation, AI inside a photo, extensive design experience, slow programsSend Everyday AI and Jordan a text message. (We can't reply back unless you leave contact info) Start Here ▶️Not sure where to start when it comes to AI? Start with our Start Here Series. You can listen to the first drop -- Episode 691 -- or get free access to our Inner Cricle community and all episodes: StartHereSeries.com Also, here's a link to the entire series on a Spotify playlist.
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Is Canva's AI a game changer?
Will it be competing with Adobe Photoshop and Mid Journey and Dolly?
Or is it just going to be a marketing piece for the giant design maker?
We're going to go over that and a little bit more today on everyday AI.
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You know, we break down each day's episode on our website as well as the newsletter. So make
sure you go sign up for that. But before we get into, we start answering some of those,
some of these questions about Canva's new AI features. Let's first get into the AI news.
All right. So first, will AI be your?
new money manager. A recent report from Bloomberg suggests maybe that's the future. So this Bloomberg
article detailed the efforts of the Volion group, which uses AI to pick stocks and manage its $5 billion
in assets. And the results, well, so far, Volian is using AI to pick stocks and beating the
market. So make sure to keep an eye out on that. Next, was Bing's a
AI chat overhyped.
While its own CEO said maybe so,
so Microsoft CEO, Sata Nadella,
said that he may have overhyped the impact of Microsoft's new AI
being searched when it was first announced a couple of months ago.
You know what?
I think we're not hyping enough.
Microsoft's co-pilot coming out in November.
I've talked about that once or twice,
but I think that's going to be truly transformative.
Speaking of transformative, Google Bard or Google's Bard AI chatbot is hoping that their new feature is transformative at least.
So they did, we mentioned this in the newsletter, but it came out right after our live stream yesterday.
But so they just announced memory.
So essentially Google Bard's new memory features is pretty similar to custom instructions from chat GPT, open AI platform.
where instead of having to re-remind the chat all the time,
maybe who you are or what you wanted to talk about,
the new Google Bard's new memory feature just allows you to input it once,
and then Google Bard will remember.
All right.
So let's get back to it.
Let's talk about Canva's AI.
And is it any good?
And, you know, I'm very curious.
Who out there is using?
Canvas AI features.
Because if I'm being honest, we use Canva almost every day.
And it's become a really crucial part for a lot of small businesses workflow, I'd say.
And even just, you know, brief, very brief background before we get into it, I've been using
different designs programs, you know, Adobe Photoshop, since probably 2002 or no,
2003, maybe. So I've been using Photoshop for 20 years. I used to use these other, you know,
archaic programs when I was designing newspapers back in the day in my hometown of Freeport, Illinois.
I was using Cork Express. So I've, you know, I've used all the Adobe Suites. I've used all of,
you know, dozens, probably more than a dozen other design programs. If I'm being honest,
Canva, I think, has really taken over the design scene. You know, so,
I do think what we're going to see now, especially when it comes to AI, we're going to see Canva and Photoshop, you know, specifically Adobe kind of compete, right?
And try to roll out better, better AI powered features and kind of one up each other.
So, you know, to catch everyone up if you haven't seen, you know, Adobe and specifically Photoshop have really invested heavily in AI features.
So, you know, things called generative fill.
and there's a whole host of other things that Photoshop has announced.
And recently, I think it was last week, Photoshop announced that they were bringing its basic version of Photoshop online, which they really hadn't done before.
So that seemingly was a shot at least at maybe Canva and saying, all right, you know, they've been taking market share.
We're going to bring, you know, kind of everything online and bring Photoshop and all of the new AI features to the desktop.
So what's also important to know before we jump in, very brief history of Canva.
If you haven't used it before, it is, I wouldn't even say it's really a Photoshop competitor per se.
I'd say it's more of if you've used Adobe Indesign, but it is essentially the easiest, I think,
the easiest way for anyone to design anything, Canva is, right?
And we're going to jump in.
I'm going to share my screen here.
But to describe on the podcast, if you haven't used Canva, you can very,
easily, you know, create a presentation, a flyer. They have thousands of templates that are
very well designed. I think that was probably one of the things that helped Canva kind of
catapult itself to kind of dominance and to instantly compete with Adobe was just the number
of extremely high quality templates, how easy they are to use. And now we do have some
AI features as well, which we're going to show you the basics. So let's go ahead and do one
more quick reminder because this is timely, all right? Because tomorrow, actually, Canva has their
magic event, I believe is what they're calling it. So on October 4th, and they're going to be
announcing presumably a lot of new AI features, right? So I wanted to give everyone a precursor first,
you know, an episode that you can kind of go back and watch, you know, as, you know,
Canva is releasing presumably a lot of new AI features because everything inside,
of Canva, all of their AI offerings are called magic, right?
So with the magic event tomorrow, presumably we're going to be seeing a lot of new AI
features.
All right.
So let me know.
Let me know in the comments.
Are you all using Canva?
So Maybrit said it would be great if Canva would integrate with Webflow.
Yes, absolutely.
Love Webflow.
Another great tool.
I think Figma might connect with Webflow, FYI.
All right.
Let's jump in.
I'm going to go ahead and share my screen.
And we're going to go over some of the basics of AI, of different AI features in Canva.
All right.
And we're going to talk a little bit about how to use them.
All right.
So here we go.
We have, I'm actually sharing.
I'm going to make, I'm going to make myself kind of disappear here.
There we go.
Perfect.
All right.
So I'm going to do my best to describe what's on screen.
Nothing crazy.
But you'll see, we actually use Canva.
So for our cover art.
things like that.
We use Canva all the time for the everyday AI show.
So I'm going to go up here and I'm going to click Created Design.
And then I'm going to go ahead.
Let's just click Presentation.
All right.
So I'm going to start with something that I think a lot of people don't know.
And it's something that is a little hidden, actually.
So Canva used to have a dedicated button for something called Magic Design.
Again, I'm going to zoom in here and hopefully everyone can see it.
But I'm going to do my best to describe this for anyone listening on the podcast.
So eventually, or sorry, essentially, Canva used to have an area called Magic Design where you could create, you know, create.
anything really from scratch.
And they got rid of the button.
So it's kind of curious.
I've seen a lot of people say,
oh, no, they just got rid of it.
Nope, it's not.
It's actually just here in the corner,
in the search bar,
which is probably not the best user interface user experience
to let people know that this amazing feature is here, right?
Because this is, I think,
one of the better features of Canva's AI,
of their magic,
is you can create an entire presentation
just by typing something in right here in the upper left-hand corner,
which looks like a normal search bar, right?
And all it says is it says use five plus words to describe.
So many people don't see that.
So I'm just typing in something.
I'm saying the history of artificial intelligence, all right?
And I'm hitting enter.
All right.
So what you're going to see at the top,
you're going to see essentially things kind of rendering.
And then you see something pop up that says magic design, right?
So it's curious that they kind of took away that visual reminder that this feature even exists.
So yeah, like Jackie, as an example, Jackie says have not found a great PowerPoint or slides gen AI tool.
I think this could be it.
It's just actually Canva for whatever reason has deprioritized.
So you'll see right here it says magic design.
in the upper left-hand corner. Now these icons are filled in. I should actually, it would probably
help if I did the correct tab, right? So I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to go ahead, sorry,
I'll. I'm going to go ahead and show you this again. So what you're going to do is go to the upper
left-hand corner. And you are going to click in that box, put in a short description. So I put
the history of artificial intelligence. And now you have these magic design elements popping up, right?
So all I'm going to do is I'm going to go ahead.
I can scroll through these with my mouse.
And you'll see there's about six or seven different options, right?
And I'm going to go ahead and choose one.
So I'm going to choose, I'm going to choose this one.
And you'll see now, when I click on that one, I get all of these different pages that pop up.
So that's the thing.
I'm not sure why Canva has kind of hidden or deprioritized to an extent.
this feature, but it is right there.
Right.
And then all I'm going to do is I'm going to click apply all seven pages.
All right.
And now, as you guys can hopefully see, it's all right there.
So now, yes, I do have an entire presentation, you know, on artificial intelligence, on the history of artificial intelligence.
So it not only, and I just, I want to make sure that I'm experiencing.
explaining this correctly for those listening on the podcast. So it not only created me a design that I can edit, right? I can go ahead and swap out any of these photos. I can edit these headings, but it also created the text. Right. So again, Canva, I'm not sure why. They really kind of almost hid this feature. It's hard to find. It used to be a large button in the upper left hand corner of the interface and now it's gone. But you'll see here, now I have.
have an entire presentation showing me the history of artificial intelligence, which again,
I can go and edit.
You know, it's not, you know, you're probably going to want to go through and make some changes.
You know, some of the text is a little small for the amount, for the amount that's there.
But what you can also do is go to any page and you can still use the Canva assistant.
Okay.
So that's another AI feature that's worth talking about.
I'm going to go ahead and try to.
I'm going to move myself over. So in the lower right hand corner, you can see the Canva Assistant.
So what you can do right here is they have what's called Magic Right. So essentially, if I want to
expand this text, I can. So I'm going to, let's see if I can select the whole. I'm actually
just going to select one and then I have the Magic. So the Canva Assistant can bring up the Magic
Right. Or I can go to when I just click on something, the Magic Right tool will come. So I'm going to click
magic, right? And I'm just going to say continue writing. Right. So from there, it's going to expand
that piece of text, right? And now we have much larger group, a much larger piece of text right here.
So you'll see right there, this is pretty impressive, right? Yes, there are other tools out there that if you
just want to use AI to create an entire presentation.
Tom is great.
T-O-M-E.
Beautiful AI does a great job.
We've covered some of these other tools before.
But right there, Canva, I mean, I just showed you.
It's kind of a hidden feature, but it does actually a great job.
All right.
So I think if you learn nothing else, upper left-hand corner, when you go to start a new design,
all you're going to do right there, I have it, all you're going to do is type it.
Okay. And then it's going to come up.
All right.
So a couple questions.
Cecilia asking how much is Canva?
Canva has a great free plan.
But the majority of their offerings are not free, especially the AI offerings, right?
Those are not free.
Those, I think it's $10 a month.
Right?
So good, good.
question there and thank you for that question. All right. So let's get back into it and talk a little
bit about some other AI features inside Canva. And again, we are having, it looks like some
technical difficulties, but hopefully you still, still able to follow along here. So let's look at
some other features. I'm going to go and we're going to click, we're going to click out. We're going to
here let's go ahead and go to file we're going to create a new design and let's go back into
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All right.
So again, hopefully, hopefully we're still following.
If someone could let me know in the comments, that would be great.
There's a lot of issues today with the LinkedIn live stream.
But we're going to keep this going.
So another thing that we can do with the Canva AI is editing photos, which I think is great.
But actually, before we do that, let's even just go and find their AI photo generator,
because I think that's something that a lot of people, again, it's a little hidden.
So you have to go to elements.
you're going to scroll down and then go to AI Image Generator.
So I'm going to go ahead.
I have a little prompt here.
So all you're going to do is click Generate.
You're going to put in your description of the image that you want.
So this is similar to Mid Journey or, you know, Dolly a little bit.
But it's not as good, full disclosure.
So let's go ahead.
I'm going to click on Create Your Image.
Okay.
As you can probably see.
So what I did here,
I typed in a simple prompt.
I said an overhead shot of a white desk with working essentials on top,
very minimalistic, showing a few objects such as a laptop, notebook, pen, and coffee mug.
Okay.
So now all I'm going to do, it gave me four different options to choose from that I can use in my presentation.
Okay.
So I'm going to go ahead and click, they're pretty busy, right?
These are pretty busy elements right here.
So I went ahead and chose one of them because I want to show you some other features.
I'm going to resize this to go ahead and fit the screen a little bit here.
Okay.
So there we go.
Again, if I'm being honest, I hope one of the new features that Canva is going to be releasing is a better image generator.
Right?
Because it's really, for a lot of use cases, it's not that great anymore, right?
We've seen Dolly 3 start to roll out mid-Journey.
I think we're on 5.2 or 5.3.
It's just much better.
But you see it right there.
It is a very nice feature to have when you just can't find that photo that you need.
Okay.
So we have a photo now.
We put it on our presentation.
And I'm going to show you a couple other AI tools that I think are pretty cool inside of Canva.
So all I did is I clicked the photo and I clicked edit photo.
Okay.
And now these were actually added.
A lot of these were added about a week or two ago.
So there's different things.
And you can see all of these things are premium.
So you do have to be on the paid plan.
Shout out Woosie for updating the price.
I believe he said you pay $12.99 a month.
I think we are probably, we've been using Canva Pro for a very long time.
I think we pay $9.99 just because maybe we were grandfathered into that price.
Or it might be cheaper if you pay annually versus yearly.
All right.
And yeah, thank you.
Yeah.
Sorry, I know the live stream is going in and out, but hopefully we're following now.
So when you have a new image in Canva, you can click on it, click edit image, and some of these, you know, some of these different AI tools, all with magic in the first name, are available if you have the premium plan.
Okay.
So let's try a couple.
I'm going to try this magic eraser.
And then this, as you can imagine, is going to erase something.
So I have a brush now, and I don't even know what this image is right here.
or what this, I'm not even sure.
It looks like maybe a letter opener.
I don't know what it is.
So I'm going to go ahead and hover over it.
And you'll see it turns it purple.
And then all that happens is it's going to take about a second.
And it is going to erase it.
Right.
And as someone that's used Photoshop for 20 years, this AI feature in Canva is actually fantastic.
It works very well.
So I'm going to go ahead.
I'm going to go ahead and magically erase a couple of these other things because
again, Canva's AI image generator is not the best.
And I don't even know if I'm being honest what half of these things even are because they didn't come out very well.
Okay.
And again, you're going to see some issues, even in the magic erase.
It is, most of these features are in beta.
Like I tried to erase something just there.
Didn't know what it was.
And it essentially tries to see what's behind the image to get rid of it.
And you'll see in this case, it's not doing the best job.
But that's okay, you know, for a lot of features.
It does work pretty well.
Let's go ahead and look at a couple of these other AI features inside Canva.
Okay.
So another one.
And again, these work when you just click the image and go to edit image.
So let's try magic edit, which is actually something I like a lot.
So let's go ahead and say, all right, we like how this flower looks.
So there's all these different things on our desk.
It's an overhead shot.
The computer looks a little crazy.
doesn't look like an actual computer.
So hopefully Canva's upcoming magic event tomorrow on October 4th,
they release and upgrade to their image generating model.
But with this magic edit,
you can essentially highlight something and replace it with something else.
So I'm going to, it looks like we have multiple coffees on the table.
So let's just do this as an example.
I'm going to go ahead and highlight.
And again, you get this brush and you get the kind of this purple outline.
So I'm going to put that in.
And then on the left hand side, there's different options.
So you can select your brush size, blah, blah, blah.
So I'm going to click Continue because it's correct.
It is correct in its selection.
So I'm going to click Continue.
And then it says describe what you want to add or change, right?
So again, this is a very busy image, but I'm just doing it as an example.
So I'm just going to say a, I'm going to say a vibrant, vibrantly color.
colored plant, right?
And then I'm going to click the generate.
So what's going to happen then is it is going to essentially erase what I highlighted
and replace with whatever I put in there.
So this is very similar to kind of Photoshop's, some of their new AI generative fill features.
And you'll see what's nice is I also have four different options at the bottom here of, you know,
what I typed in.
So I'm going to click this one in the bottom left hand corner.
It looks to be pretty colorful.
like that one. So there you go. So it didn't, again, sometimes these features work very well.
Sometimes they don't, you know, if I'm being honest. These AI features are very new inside of Canva.
So it's worth taking that into consideration. All right. So now we have an updated photo on our,
you know, overhead desktop. You know, we've deleted some elements. We've changed one.
Let's try a couple other elements.
And these ones in this situation, I actually don't think are going to work very well.
So let's give it a try.
And then we will pick a different image that it'll probably work a little better.
So another one, which is going to save a lot of time.
So if you're a designer, a creative, if you work in marketing or advertising,
actually these magic features are great.
When, when you can get them to work.
So let's look at Magic Grab.
And I can already kind of predict that the magic.
grab feature is not going to work on this image. So this image, if you're joining us on the podcast,
there's a lot going on in this image. There's, you know, things that don't look right. There's way
too much going on. But essentially magic grab is, it's really useful for when you have a dominant,
you know, foreground and background. And in this case, we don't. So I'm going to click it and it
processes the image. And it tries to figure out on its own, what is the background? What is the
foreground? And in theory, it's going to let you grab the foreground and move it. In this situation,
I'm going to go ahead and move it.
And you'll see it kind of thought it was the shadows, right,
which is not what we were going for.
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to add a page, right?
And I'm going to go ahead.
I'm going to find.
So I actually had this one up before.
So Canva also has a lot of stock images.
So this one I think will work a lot better.
It is a photo of a younger guy probably in his 20s,
just kind of like a portrait shot.
Okay.
So I drag that onto my presentation.
Now I'm going to click it.
I'm going to click Edit Photo.
So now we're going to see where this magic grab hopefully won't work a little better,
because we have a clearly defined foreground and background.
So I'm going to click Magic Grab, and it is going to process.
And you'll see right away, it highlighted, it gave me a text or sorry, an outline box on the foreground and background.
So now what I can do is I can move this.
Oh, look at that.
That worked perfectly.
And not only that, it fills in the background.
Okay?
So I saved this for last for a reason.
The presentation pieces are great.
This right here, doing this in another photo editing program like Photoshop, you know, like, you know, any other Adobe programs, you know, illustrator, in design.
It can actually be a time consuming process.
I used to do this a lot.
And, you know, in my background, I would always have to grab, you know,
grab a foreground, separate it from the background, maybe do some editing.
But now you'll see, I can not only reposition it and it looks fantastic, right?
Because in photography, there's something called like the rule of thirds, right?
Where you, if you can imagine a kind of like a tick-tac toe grid on the screen,
there's always going to be four different points on your screen that that's called the rule of
thirds. And, you know, if you can get your subject right on one of those where those lines corresponding,
you know, the study of photography tells us that your image will be much more compelling.
So what I can do is I can even make this smaller or larger, which is fantastic.
So this feature alone, if you have the right images, if you're working, let's say if you're
creating some product images, you know, for a social media campaign, for an advertising campaign,
You know, maybe you're running cross-platform ads on, you know, meta and Instagram and display
ads on Google.
You can spend so much time, both on the photography, on the front end, and on the back-end
editing.
This, just this alone, this feature, the magic grab will save designers, marketers,
marketers, advertisers, agencies, hours of time.
Because this is, in my opinion, yes, the image, or sorry.
the presentation feature where you can create an entire presentation with AI inside of photo or sorry,
inside of Canva.
It is pretty nice.
But if I'm if I'm being honest, the feature that shines above the rest, at least right now,
I would say probably second place we have this magic edit.
But I would say first place is actually the magic graph.
In terms of from my design experience, I've been designing in different capacities for 20 years
since I was designing newspapers as a 16-year-old.
You know, I was doing these kind of things.
I was doing these in slow programs.
This is a great feature.
Let's go ahead and try since we're in here.
We're going to try this magic edit.
So I'm going to get a huge brush size.
So we have this, you know, kind of this portrait where, you know, we had a subject.
And this is, I think it's going to go terribly.
But we're going to go ahead and try.
You know, that's the thing with everything.
everyday AI.
Canva's not paying us to say how great or how not great this is.
We're going to find out live.
So what's doing now is we had this kind of this person, this model that we separated
out.
So now I'm going to see if we can replace it because here's the thing.
I'm going to say a, I'm going to try to do a similar thing.
So I'm going to say a mid-30s woman.
I'm going to say portrait style.
photography,
life-like.
Here's the thing.
At least for right now, people always ask,
oh, do I need mid-journey?
Can I just use Canva?
You know, Canva has an AI image generator.
No, you can't.
Because as you'll see here,
these are not, these results that came up,
you know, these, my prompt I gave it,
I asked for a woman in her mid-30s,
it's probably giving me the results here.
I do have four different ones to choose from,
but it's probably more likely women in their,
you know,
50s or 60s.
But still,
it actually did better than it had been doing previously.
So I can go ahead and replace it.
Unfortunately,
it does have kind of this background shadow.
So it's not something that it looks like it's going to work out of the box.
But can by actually,
okay,
it surprised me there because when I was previously playing around
with the Canva's AI images, you know, when it first came out, especially with people.
They were not very lifelike. And I'm not even sure to tell you the truth, if this one is
AI image generated or if this is actually pulling from their stock library. And that's,
that's kind of the crazy thing in today's day and age of artificial intelligence.
And, you know, what's real and what is not. All right. We were all over the place in this
We had 50 tech problems.
Everything that could go wrong in terms of this live stream did.
But thank you all for sticking around.
I'm going to make sure, let's see here.
I want to throw up a couple comments.
So Jay, Jay, thanks for sticking around.
He's saying, I wonder if you can fix the laptop by selecting the current laptop and replacing
with another.
Well, let's see real quick.
Let's see real quick.
Let's go ahead and grab the Mac.
Sorry.
Yep, the Magic Edit.
I'm going to go ahead and select.
I'm going to get a little bit bigger brush size to make this faster.
Let's go ahead.
I'm going to say it might work.
So I just, I went back to that original image.
I'm going to keep it very simple.
I'm just going to say laptop.
So the first laptop we used did not turn out that great.
So Jay Pelosi, Pileasy just said,
hey, I wonder if you can use the magic edit to fix that.
And you'll see it didn't do the best job.
Kind of where my brush stroke,
kind of opened, it didn't do a great job.
I do think, I do hope that part of Canva's announcement is going to be announcing some new features.
All right.
Yes, the magic grab is absolutely impressive.
Nadia, thank you.
Thank you for joining, saying loves the Canva AI tools and get good images.
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