Everyday AI Podcast – An AI and ChatGPT Podcast - EP 16: Chatbots 101 - Difference between ChatGPT, Bard and Bing Chat

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

The new AI wave got you scratching your head? With Everyday AI, you don't need to be confused anymore. Join Jordan Wilson as we dive into an AI chatbot 101, covering the basic functionality of the big 3: ChatGPT, Google Bard and Bing Chat.Time Stamps:[00:03:03] Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt on AI regulation[00:04:23] Senators' lack of tech understanding exposed[00:05:28] OpenAI to Release Open Source AI Model[00:09:00] Getting Answers From Chatbots[00:10:13] How Chatbots Work[00:12:54] Breakdown of ChatGPT and GPT4[00:15:50] Why Bing Chat May Have Competitive Advantages[00:18:56] Pros and Cons of Bing: Coding & Accuracy[00:20:10] Google Bard Breakdown[00:23:00] Google's Bard: Exceptionally Fast But Changing[00:26:36] Google Bard European Release Uncertain Amid Regulations[00:27:32] Accessing Google Bard in Europe: VPN SolutionFor full show notes, head to YourEverydayAI.comSend Everyday AI and Jordan a text message. (We can't reply back unless you leave contact info) Start Here ▶️Not sure where to start when it comes to AI? Start with our Start Here Series. You can listen to the first drop -- Episode 691 -- or get free access to our Inner Cricle community and all episodes: StartHereSeries.com Also, here's a link to the entire series on a Spotify playlist. 

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I think you might be. So that's one of the things that we're going to be talking about today on everyday AI. Your live, daily show, podcast, newsletter, breaking down everything that everyday people like you and me need to stay up to date and stay. ahead and actually use AI. So again, my name is Jordan Wilson. We have a little bit of a different show for you today. So if you are joining us live, you know, whether it's on LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, anywhere else, please leave a comment because today, in addition to some news in AI, we're going to be talking about things that probably most of us use every day, things like chat GPT or maybe you use Google Bard or maybe you use Bing Chat. So we're going to be getting into

that soon. But before we do, let's do. Let's do. run down what's happening today in AI News. So let's talk about that best shopping assistant ever. So a new report today shows that Amazon just posted a listing for a job posting that says it's creating its own AI chat, specifically to work inside Amazon's web store. So imagine having an interactive conversation, an interactive experience with an AI bot inside of Amazon. Amazon, right? Wow. So what does that mean for Amazon sales? Not that they need anymore, but clearly this is going to help. But this just goes to show that the AI space is going to continue to get more and more crowded. We're going to see more and more highly specialized chatbots or AI assistance in every single platform that you use on a day-to-day basis. So it's going to be exciting to see what Amazon does with this. second piece. So a new report from Microsoft claims that its AI is getting as smart as a human. So essentially Microsoft released this, some computer scientists there, released a 155 page

research paper called Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence. And essentially, and we're going to get into this later in the show today, it posed a problem or a question that would usually, require an understanding of the physical world in order to solve. It's something like a riddle, but it's actually crazy, and we're going to be sharing about it on our daily newsletter. So again, go to your EverydayAI.com to show you a little bit more on this research paper, the sparks of general intelligence. And essentially, we're going to show you how these different platforms that we're even

talking about today, chat, GBT, BARD, and BingChat, handle this prompt or this riddle. Very rarely do I say my mind is blown, but in this case, my mind actually was blown. Another news item for today. So ex-Google CEO, Eric Schmidt, talked about AI regulation and said it should be left to AI companies. So not sure how that's going to work, you know, an example of the police policing themselves. However, Eric Schmidt made some good point. you know, because, you know, we've been talking about it on the everyday AI show for, you know, since we started, you know, about these new developments in government regulation. And we say, hey, should government, you know, be monitoring AI companies? Should they be setting the rules?

And Eric Schmidt essentially said that he believes no one in the government can understand what is possible with AI so that they shouldn't be regulating it. And he actually has a great point because, you know, as a former. political journalist, you know, covering the Illinois State House for the Chicago sometimes, I can definitely relate. And I can say, you know what, he has a good point. And if you follow politics at all and, you know, companies like Facebook and Google, they constantly have to go before Congress to answer questions. And, you know, some of the questions that they get from U.S. senators just show a fundamental

lack of understanding that our government has, at least when it comes to the people representing us for how technology works. So that's a super interesting one coming from the former Google CEO, Eric Schmidt. And last but not least, kind of in our daily news roundup before we jump into this AI chat dive. So is Open AI going truly open source? So let me quickly say what, explain what that means. So Open AI, as you probably know, but maybe you don't. They are the kind of parent company of chat GPT.

So you might be thinking, hey, Jordan, they are open source because so many different companies can use their API. They can use their platform, right? So part of that's true, but their code is not open source. So a new report today claims that OpenAI is going to be releasing an open source model. So what does that mean for the everyday people like you and me? Well, that means that if this does happen, the development of AI is going to go way faster than it even is right now. So here's the other thing we don't know.

We don't know if they're going to be releasing their current model as open source or if it will be a somewhat limited version of their current model. But when something is open source, that means you can download and modify its code yourself and run it locally on your machine. So there's a lot of huge applications for if it does go open source. So again, those are today's biggest developments. And if you noticed a little bit of a trend there, we're talking about the big companies. We're talking about chat GPT. We're talking about Google. Because today, we are going to do a rundown.

We are going to talk about chat GPT, bard, and BingChat. So first, thank you. We have some comments. So we're going to be getting to these today first. sure. David, what's up saying that we need that Amazon AI chatbot ASAP. Do we? Absolutely. Will my wallet be able to handle it? Probably not. That's dangerous. Think of how much money that we already spend on Amazon and then think that, you know, that hour that you spend researching projects or sorry, researching products on Amazon. Think of that going down to seconds or a minute.

the buying cycle is going to be so much quicker. You know, Christopher dropping a comment here. So I'll get to this. Yeah, we're definitely going to be talking about some of the differences between chat GPT and Google Bard. Great question. So we're going to be talking about that. So as a reminder, as we kind of start our, you know, 10-minute deep dive into these

three platforms, if you are listening or watching on the live stream, please drop a comment. If you are listening on the podcast or if maybe you're, you know, checking this after the fact from our newsletter, you know, make sure that you tune in every morning. You know, we go live at 7.30 a.m. Central time. So we can talk together. So the whole point of this show and why we started it was to help everyday people understand AI. So with that, let's start high level. Let's look at chat GPT, Bard, and Bing Chat. So before we even talk, about the products themselves, we have to first understand, like what these things are, okay? Like, what are all these things?

Is it just like a search engine? Is it nothing like a search engine? So let's start there. So number one, these different products from these different companies change very quickly. So if you are watching live right now, this is very up-to-date information. You know, if you're,

checking out this podcast in the future. So it's, it's, you know, May of 2023 right now. So, you know, if you're listening to this in June or July, some of the things that we're talking about today may not be accurate. Here's the other thing. Some of these things tomorrow may not be accurate because that is how fast all of these developments come, especially when we're talking about these three big companies, Microsoft, Google, and Open AI. The development is blazing fast. So that's number one. Number two, the results always vary. So if we're talking about some results from, you know, and I'm going to be going over a couple,

you know, saying, hey, if we enter this into chat GPT, we will not get, you know, B. You know, if we enter A, we will get B on Microsoft Bing. Results are always going to vary. So, you know, one actionable tip that I gave to the everyday AI audience, the first week of our show, was to start replacing Google. You know, whether you use Google Bard or Microsoft BingChat or Chat GBT, you know, if you are wanting to research something or look something up, I can't recommend highly enough to pick one of these three kind of AI chats and start there because this is the future.

You know, as someone that's worked in and out of SEO for technically like 15 to 20 years, traditional search is going to be fading away. And the lines between traditional search and these AI searches are going to be kind of blurring together. So let's talk about how these work. And Cecilia, a great point. So Cecilia just left a comment said, for the average user, there's little awareness in the diversity of chatbots. Agreed. You know, like a lot of times you only hear about what's in the media, what's in marketing.

So that's why I'm going to be at least breaking down these. three big ones. Okay. So how do they work? You know, we're going to have a deep dive pretty soon where we go into the history of AI, but let me just give you high level. So these different, these three different products are built on essentially what's called a large language model. And to overly simplify it, almost to a fault, think of it as this. A large language model is a data set, but there are trillions of data points that these large language models learn. off. So think like this. You know, chat GPT is probably the most popular of these AI models. You know, they reached 100 million users just weeks after launch, which is an asinine thought because, you know,

even for popular social media networks, that usually took four or five, 10 years to get to 100 million users. So anyways, you know, if we think of chat GPT, it is based off a large language model called GPT. And there's different versions of these models. So as an example, the most current model of GPT is GPT4, which was released a couple of months ago. So that is a model. So this essentially GPT4 knows the entire course of human history, more or less, if it existed on the internet, it knows, facts, opinions, misinformation, everything. It knows the entirety of recorded human history up until 2021, September 2021. So that's GPT4.

Okay. So let's actually start there as we talk about how these work. So let's talk about chat GPT. So again, love getting to questions. If you have any questions, please leave them for me. So chat GPT, like I talked about, it is the most popular and the most widely used of the AI chats right now. The parent company, like I mentioned, is Open AI. and their current language model is GPT4.

Okay, so I'm going to get a little technical, but I'm going to try to help you. I'm going to try to explain what this means. And if you are, you know, watching live here, I'm going to just kind of share. I'm going to share just the website so you can kind of see. So chat GPT has different models that you can choose. GPT4 is the most up-to-date and the most capable model. but it is limited. So I'm going to be going over some of the similarities and the differences between these three different models. GPT4 is amazingly useful, but it is somewhat limited. So essentially,

you can only have 25 chats with GPT4 every three hours. Also, what's important to understand about chat GPT is there's a free version and a premium version. That's $20 a month. Highly recommend the premium version, the capabilities of that versus the free version are wild. One, you get GPT4 on the paid version. Two, you're going to have access to what are called plugins and browsing. So a little bit more on that here briefly as we get to the differences. So the biggest thing with chat GPT, the downside, is right now, and especially for the free users, there is no built-in internet access.

So we talked about that this GPT4 is caught off at September 2021. So one of the biggest mistakes that I've seen in my time doing this show and, you know, working in this field for a very long time is people don't understand that. And they get frustrated when they use chat GPT because they're asking it about current events. And it doesn't go there. You know, this chat GPT's brain stops at 2021 unless you have the internet access. via the premium version. So they did announce that it's supposed to be rolling out this week.

You know, even me personally, I did get access to the plugins for ChatGBTGPT, which brings in new functionality, but I don't yet have access to the browsing. Another thing before we transition on from ChatGPT, I'm going to talk about some of the strengths and weaknesses of each one. One of the strengths of ChatGBTbt is it is great at writing, probably better for writing content from scratch and improving content than the other two, Bing or Google Bard. And it's also potentially the best at coding. So again, personally, I'm not a coder, but for fun, you know, especially a couple months ago, I was trying my handout with coding at ChatGPT

and created some great, you know, I just created playable and customizable 80s retro arcade games and put my own spin on it, which is really fun to do. And we'll probably tackle that at a different time. So that is kind of essentially chat GPT in a nutshell. What's up to our first comment from Twitch? Apparently, we're on Twitch. So what's up, Diggs BTW? All right, so let's move on to Bing Chat.

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dot adobe.com. All right. So BingChat, in my opinion, is probably the one out of these three that I use most, and I'm most impressed by. Okay. And I also think that there's some competitive advantages to BingChat that it is going to become more popular as the months go on. You know, one thing as an example, I'm on Max.

I use Macs always have. People who are on Windows laptops, you know, I actually saw this on my wife's laptop. So she got a prompt for Bing Chat, you know, on her, you know, kind of like screen saver or her login screen. So, you know, Microsoft has a huge advantage, I think, when it comes to getting people to eventually use the platform. One downside or something important to understand about the Bing Chat is it requires Microsoft Edge, which is obviously Microsoft's new browser. So they, you know, have phased out Internet

Explorer. And Microsoft Edge is their new browser. So if you want to use BingChat, which again, I highly encourage you to use it because it is impressive, you have to download Microsoft Edge. Okay? So let's talk about what it's built off of. So BingChat is also built off of OpenAIs GPT4. However, they have a next generation model. What that means is it can work with multimedia and Microsoft has trained these models. So that's another thing. You know, these models, especially from OpenAI, GPT4, Dolly, which is the image model. And there's others, you know, they have a music model, some of those things.

but anyone can tap into them with the API, and you can train it and essentially make it your own. Microsoft's model or Microsoft's version of GPT4 is extremely advanced. It is called the next generation model. The other huge advantage of BingChat is it has internet access built in, right? So if you want to know how is the stock market doing today, you're not going to get that from chat GPT,

Out of the box, you will get it with Bing chat. Another thing that's fantastic, and this is something that's not talked about, Bing can see images. So again, sign up for your EverydayAI.com. Sign up for our daily newsletter. I'm going to show you an example of this because Google Bard can't really do it. Chat GBT, GBT right now can't really do it. The possibilities for being able to look at an image. that doesn't have text and being able to describe it gives limitless possibilities to what is

capable with Bing Chat. So I'm going to give an example in today's newsletter. So make sure you go subscribe and check it out. Another thing that's important to, you know, as we look at pros and cons of Bing, it's not great at coding yet. It's a little slower when it comes to coding. So again, maybe you don't care about this. It's not great.

It's not there yet. is it capable? Sure. I think chat GPT, you know, even their kind of 3.5 version and their forward version, fantastic at coding. And we'll get to Google, but right now, not there with BingChat. Another piece that I think is extremely useful for BingChat is it gives you links to webpages. So you're probably saying like, all right, Jordan, why do we want that? Well, one of the biggest things that we it's important to kind of acknowledge the elephant in the room. These chat models can do something called hallucination. So that means they give you inaccurate information.

Okay. So with these links, so essentially think of it like citations in Bing. You can quickly verify information just like that, right? So that's great. So again, we're going to have more in Bing chat because I personally love using it. So we're going to have more in the newsletter. So before we wrap things up, let's talk about Google Bard. And again, if you're still tuning in and want to drop a question, please feel free to do so.

I'd love to get to them. So Google Bard, last but not least. So it was just announced last week, Google had their big Google I.O. event where they kind of released the latest hardware and software news for the company. So they have made Google Bard live and available to everyone. So before, so I'm going to go ahead and share this screen here if you're watching. So before, it was only available to Gmail users. So if you have, you know, like we do at Accelerant Agency, you know, we have workplace. So, you know, what was called G Suite, it wasn't available to so many users, so many countries.

So Google essentially fully released this. So including plugins. So we're going to have an episode just dedicated to plugins, but think of this. Plugins as an assistant like kayak as an example, where you can say, book me a vacation, you know, here's my criteria, here's the price I want to spend. And a plugin will essentially be able to use a third-party platform to its fullest extent. So Google's Bard has released plugins and they are slowly giving them. But again, the difference between Google and Bing versus ChatGPT is this is free and available to everyone.

Okay, a couple other important things to talk about with Google Bard. Like Bing Chat, it has access to the internet and it has access to search results. So you can get information newer than September 2021. All right. Also, I do think Google Bard has picked up a ton of Steam lately, especially after this new event. here's why I think that the rollout, well, it's not that I think Google botched the initial rollout of Bard. So they actually sent out a little video animation when they first released Bard to the public and it got information wrong. And Google's stock took a huge hit. So I don't

think that there's any denying that Google botched the initial release of Bard. However, they have a new and their own large language model. So that's what actually makes Google a little bit unique in this regard. So again, chat GPT uses its own GPT4. BingChat also uses GPT4, but the next generation model with internet access and search. Google Bard has their own large language model. So out of the three, it's the only one that uses their own, the other two share. So it's called Palm 2. We'll get into what that means another day, but it's different. So you're always going to get different results from Google Bard and actually BingChat and Chat GPT as well. So the other thing that, again, separates Google Bard from others.

Google Bard is blazingly fast, especially the second version. Again, chat GPT4, a little slow. BingChat, a little slow. You would never know until you use Google Bard. Google Bart is exceptionally fast. Okay. And again, it is changing. So because this new announcement is so fresh, you know, some of these promised updates are

slowly rolling out across the web to I think it was 180 plus country. So two last things of notes before we wrap this episode up. I know we went a little long. So thank you for sticking with us. So right now, Google Bard does not yet accept image inputs. That will be rolling out to Bing Chat. And also, it doesn't link to kind of give you those citations in the way that Bing Chat does. So if you ever want to, you know, look at a long result that you get from one of these chats,

I do like Bing Chat because if you want to investigate it more and learn more about why you got these results, Bing Chat makes it pretty easy. So before we wrap up, Cecilia, just caught your question. So Cecilia from LinkedIn is asking, how do you suggest novices enter their learning? process of using and optimizing these chatbots efficiently without becoming submerged in a rabbit hole. Fantastic question, Cecilia. If I'm being honest, a little bit of rabbit hole is useful. You will, in order to fully use and understand these chat models, you have to get into a little bit of a rabbit hole. And also, let me actually just give you a quick three-step process. This is ours.

kind of our own process at everyday AI. This isn't something you're going to find on the internet, but it's extremely useful. So we call it prime, prompt, polish. What that means? You have to prime all of these chats. What that means is you assign them a role. You tell them who they are.

People always just jump to prompting and they say, you know, research me this or write me this, right? You have to prompt them first. You say, hey, chat GBT or hey, BARD, you are a world. class coding expert. You know, you take, you know, you are proficient in every single, you know, coding language out there. You only respond in code unless you don't understand. Right. So essentially, priming is giving it directions before you even tell it the prompt. So a prompt is, you know,

saying, you know, give me 10 bullet points for this. You know, write me an introduction for this. Improve, you know, this piece of content. You know, write me code for this. So that's a prompt. Most people, if you've used one of these, that's, that's, that's, that's, you know, That's what prompting is. And then the last piece is polish. So what that means is a lot of times when something doesn't work, people move on and they think it's a limitation. But it's not.

That's where you have to go, Cecilia, a little bit into the rabbit hole. And you have to polish the process. And you can talk to these chats, right, in a conversational way. So if you get a suboptimal result, tell them, hey, I did not get the result I wanted. this is what I was expecting. And the more you do that, the more it improves and the better your experience comes. So you have to get into a little bit of a rabbit hole. Michael, I saw your question.

When will G. Bard be released in Europe, Google Bard. No clue. No clue. You know, a lot of the, you know, when we talk about the lack of regulation here in the U.S., it is different, obviously, in other countries, in China, very, you know, technology, you know, AI technology is very heavily restricted and monitored. The same thing in Europe. So, yeah, like, you know, we saw these kind of like chat GPT bands going around in Europe. You know, I wish, Michael, I could give you an answer, you know, but as an example,

Google Bard has rolled out to many European countries, but I know not all of them because different countries have different regulations, but, you know, not telling you how to skirt your way around it, but there's a reason that VPNs are booming right now, because most people, if they live in these countries with restricted access, they just get a VPN, which is a virtual private network that shows them. So if you're living in Sweden and you don't have access to Google Bard, which I don't think Sweden has access to it right now. That might be one of the European countries. I could be wrong. But as an example, you know, you can download a VPN if you live in Sweden and can't access, you know, any of these three technologies and your essentially IP address

will show up as a different country and you'd be able to access it. So again, not advocating that, just saying that's what everyone is doing if you can't access one of these things. So thank you for sticking around. This has been the longest daily edition of everyday AI. So as you can tell, I'm very passionate about helping everyday people learn and understand. You know, I'm actually shocked at just the, how few people are using these three chats on a day-to-day basis. I feel most people, when chat GPT first got popular and exploded, you know, it goes, it goes down. You know, people stop paying attention. If you didn't get a good response, people kind of abandon it.

So Cecilia, get lost in the rabbit hole. Go explore all three of these. They're all, you know, two of them are completely free, and chat GPT obviously has a free version. So explore, get lost. Gerald, absolutely, I'll be a speaker at the AI summit. Happy to chat with you after we close this out. So again, thank you very much for sticking with us.

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