Everyday AI Podcast – An AI and ChatGPT Podcast - EP 523: OpenAI could go public, Gemini 2.5 continues dominance and more AI News That Matters

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

OpenAI is making moves to go public. Apple and Anthropic are teaming up for vibe coding. And Google is quietly continuing its dominance with a quiet update to the world's most powerful AI model.O...nce again, the big names are shaking up the AI space. Don't burn hours a day trying to keep up. Spend your Mondays with Everyday AI and our weekly 'AI News that Matters' segment. You'll be the smartest person in AI at your company.Newsletter: Sign up for our free daily newsletterMore on this Episode: Episode PageJoin the discussion: Have a question? Join the convo here.Upcoming Episodes: Check out the upcoming Everyday AI Livestream lineupWebsite: YourEverydayAI.comEmail The Show: info@youreverydayai.comConnect with Jordan on LinkedInTopics Covered in This Episode:Anthropic and Apple AI PartnershipApple AI Coding with Anthropic's ClaudeOpenAI's Wind Surf AcquisitionAI Search Engines in Apple's SafariOpenAI and FDA Drug Approval TalksGoogle Gemini 2.5 Pro IO EditionAmazon AI Coding Tool KiroOpenAI's Nonprofit Control DecisionTimestamps:00:00 "Everyday AI: Podcast and Newsletter"03:44 Apple Eyes External AI Partnerships07:12 OpenAI's Wind Surf Acquisition Disrupts Coding10:28 Windsurf Model Selection and Future14:24 Apple's AI Search Engine Shift20:45 FDA-OpenAI AI Drug Approval Talks22:50 AI Literacy Challenges27:14 "Gemini 2.5 Pro Unveiled"31:27 Advanced AI Coding Tools Emerging34:50 OpenAI Governance and Structure Shift36:50 OpenAI-Microsoft Partnership Revamp Talks42:40 Tech Giants Shake Up AI LandscapeKeywords:Anthropic, Apple, Vibe coding, Google Gemini, 2.5 pro IO edition, OpenAI, Microsoft partnership, IPO, Artificial General Intelligence, AI coding models, Claude SONNET, Swift Assist, Anthropic's Claude, Wind Surf, $3 billion acquisition, AI IDE, Race car driver analogy, AI search engines, Safari, Perplexity AI, ChatGPT, Search engine market, FDA, Drug approval process, AI-assisted scientific review, Google IO edition, Web dev arena leaderboard, Amazon Web Services, AI-powered code generation, Kiro, Multimodal capabilities, OpenAI nonprofit arm, Public Benefits Corporation, Equity stake, Microsoft partnership renegotiation, $13 billion investment, SoftBank, Oracle, Stargate projectSend Everyday AI and Jordan a text message. (We can't reply back unless you leave contact info) Start Here ▶️Not sure where to start when it comes to AI? Start with our Start Here Series. You can listen to the first drop -- Episode 691 -- or get free access to our Inner Cricle community and all episodes: StartHereSeries.com Also, here's a link to the entire series on a Spotify playlist. 

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Starting point is 00:00:53 the AI game potentially going public. Yeah, that's right. Anthropic and Apple might team up for a vibe coding duo. Google Gemini. And it's new 2.5 Pro I.O. addition quietly wiped the competition for the most powerful large language model in the world. And open AI may be restructuring its partnership with Microsoft to potentially go public in the future.
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Starting point is 00:03:31 The realest thing at artificial intelligence, here's the AI news that matters for the week of May 12th. All right. First and foremost, two big names might be teaming up for a little vibe coding. So Apple is reportedly collaborating with AI startup Anthropic to develop an AI powered vibe coding platform that upgrades its X code software, but using Anthropics Claude Sonets model to autonomously write, edit, and test code for developers. So this new platform is reportedly being tested internally at Apple with no confirmed plans yet for a public release. So the move marks a pretty big shift for Apple, which has historically relied on its own in-house AI development,
Starting point is 00:04:20 but is now looking like it's open to partnering with outside companies to accelerate innovation and approved internal workflows. So Apple's previous AI coding tool was called Swift Assist, and it was announced last year, but it was never actually released, reportedly suffering from issues like hallucinations in slowed app development, prompting the need for external partnerships. So this potential partnership with Anthropic and their very popular clawed tools,
Starting point is 00:04:52 which are widely used in the software engineering, coding space, both Sonnet 3.5 and 3.7. So this partnership reflects Apple, catching up potentially in the AI race, following competitors like OpenAI and Google, with Apple also planning to potentially integrate Google's Gemini model alongside ChatGBT and Siri later this year. Apple continues to develop other AI-driven features in-house, including things that most people aren't going to use, like custom emojis and writing tools,
Starting point is 00:05:29 which aren't that great, and a notification management. Yeah, that's a, I guess the only quote unquote Apple intelligence that I ever use is when it's like, here's a group text with 82 messages and here's a two-line summary of what you missed. And sometimes it's accurate, but most of the times it's not. So pretty big news there. Apple admittedly and reportedly not being able to figure out kind of AI coding on its own like it had previously announced and previously hoped for with. Swift assist that actually never publicly saw the light of day.
Starting point is 00:06:09 So instead, we may see Apple go the partnership route with Anthropic, which seems like a smart move, especially considering our second piece of news. Yeah, it's the week of vibe coding, two of the bigger stories. Because Open AI has reportedly acquired WindSurf for $3 billion. Yeah. So WindSurf, the, popular AI coding tool. So now Open AI has reportedly acquired Winsurf. So according to reports, Open AI has purchased Winsworth, the Winsurf, the second largest AI development platform for $3 billion,
Starting point is 00:06:51 signaling a major strategic move to strengthen its position among competitors like Google and also Anthropic. So this reported acquisition, because yeah, it has not yet officially been confirmed, I believe, by Open AI or by WinSurf, but widely reported. So the acquisition is valued at a 75-X earnings multiple, whoa. And it gives Open AI access to a highly customized coding environment that could accelerate its progress toward artificial general intelligence. So WinSurf's platform is known for enabling efficient code creation, optimization, and deployment of right now different AI models, providing Open AI with a proprietary tool
Starting point is 00:07:36 that enhances AI-powered coding and engineering workflows. So coding's binary nature, where code either works or it doesn't, makes it a perfect domain for precise AI feedback and iterative improvements. A fact, Open AI plans to leverage by integrating Winsurf. The deal is expected to pretty much completely disrupt this new but very trending space, kind of the AI vibe coding tools in putting Open AI, on a path to directly compete with Google, which has recently kind of blown the market out of the water
Starting point is 00:08:14 with its Gemini 2.5 Pro models. Also, owning WinSurf could allow OpenAI to customize the platform to fit its AI models better, gain valuable user and usage data, and accelerate innovation in AI coding agents, all of which could provide a significant competitive edge for OpenAI. This acquisition highlights the growing importance of proprietary integrated development environments. That's what IDEEs are. So if you ever hear me talk about AI IDs, these are essentially coding platforms, right?
Starting point is 00:08:48 AI coding platforms, but integrated development environments with companies increasingly investing in these platforms to drive innovation and consolidate their market positions. So a lot of people are putting out incredibly misaligned takes on this whole situation, right? Because there's a couple of things to keep in mind. Number one, OpenAI itself has some incredible models that can code, specifically 03. It is a world-class coding model. So a lot of people have been coming with a pretty tired take that just shows that they don't know what the heck that they're talking about, saying, oh, it looks like Open AI doesn't really have a coding model
Starting point is 00:09:34 if they need to acquire windsurf for $3 billion, which is a giant face palm. It means that person has no clue what they're talking about. That's kind of like saying, okay, this is the best race car driver in the world who needs a race car, right? Yes. A model still needs an IDE in order to accurately perform. And that's something that Open AI, at least as far as we all know, has not invested anything in.
Starting point is 00:10:03 It's creating an IDE, right? So yeah, race car driver is the model itself. Race car is the IDE. And right now, Open AI does not have a race car. So yeah, if you hear anyone talking about that and saying, oh, looks like opening I doesn't really know what they're doing. They don't really have a good coding model because, you know, oh, look at their OECD. three yet they can't know. Stop listening to that person.
Starting point is 00:10:32 That person doesn't know what one plus one is. All right. So pretty smart move in my opinion from Open AI. But what will be pretty interesting to see it. And yeah, a lot of people don't really understand this with all these vibe coding tools like windsurf like cursor. There's a lot of them. But those are two of the more popular ones as well as lovable in Bolt more on the
Starting point is 00:10:54 web app and application side. But essentially, you choose your own model, right? So you can go into windsurf and right now cursor and choose your own model. Kind of some of the favorites for the last, you know, year or so have been Anthropics, Claude, Saunit 3.5 or 3.7, although recently a lot of people have been using Gemini 2.5 pro or Gemini 2.5 Flash, as well as a lot of people have also been using OpenAI's new O models, right, whether that's 04 many high. If you don't care about money, you know, you might be using 03,
Starting point is 00:11:32 although it's an expensive model to use, but it's highly capable, right? So what should be interesting to see if this acquisition goes through, will windsurf users, well, number one, will it still be called windsurf or will OpenAI just absorb it and make it part of their chat GPT platform? But also, will you be able to use if it does just remain windsurf and it remains in its current state. Will users still be able to use other models, right? Because so many people right now are using windsurf with anthropic models, with Google models, with other models. So it should be interesting to see how that ultimately pans out.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Live stream audience, let me know what you think about these first two stories. Yeah, a lot of vibe coding to start off the week. So Joe is saying this open AI plus windsurf is a very exciting prospect. I use chat GPT plus for Python coding regularly and it's good, but not great. Yeah, you know, you're obviously going to get best results if you're using a dedicated IDE, which is why I think that, you know, Open AI is obviously making this moves. Agile or sorry, Eagle, I'm not sure, on LinkedIn saying it's great to see further developments in vibe coding. Yeah, absolutely. So if you thought that this vibe coding thing was a phase, I mean, our biggest two stories, Apple and Anthropic reportedly teaming up.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Google, you know, put out their own kind of vibe coding tool in Firebase at its at its cloud next conference a couple of weeks ago. And here you have OpenAI reportedly acquiring windsurf. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with cursor, right? Obviously Microsoft has GitHub, you know, GitHub co-pilot, which is huge. So it should be interested to see what Open AI does, if anything, once they do acquire WinSurf, are they going to allow people to still use their own models? And will anyone acquire cursor?
Starting point is 00:13:32 So yeah, we'll have to, hey, keep tuning in to find out because we'll obviously be covering it. All right. Our next piece of AI news, probably bad news for Google. So Apple is considering adding AI search engines to suffer. which would challenge Google's dominance. So Apple is reportedly exploring the possibility of integrating AI search like perplexity or chatGBTBT into its Safari browser, signaling a potential challenge to Google's longstanding lead in the search engine market, which currently serves 4.9 billion users worldwide.
Starting point is 00:14:16 So Eddie Q, Apple's senior vice president of services, revealed this during the U.S. Department of Justice's antitrust trial against Google that Apple may allow users to choose from a variety of AI-powered search engines within Safari in the future. And well, why is that a big deal? Well, one of the reasons that Google has been able to completely dominate the search market for like forever is because right now they pay Apple an estimated $20 billion annually to retain the default search engine on Apple devices. So yeah, Google gets a huge leg up with billions of users by paying Apple 20 billions, a reported amount of $20 billion to make Google its default search engine inside of Safari. So if Apple did offer an alternative AI search option that could greatly not just
Starting point is 00:15:17 disrupt Google's line of business, but it could help these new AI search platforms. platforms like chat GPT, perplexity, or whoever else may end up in Safari's preferred AI search tools, it could be a huge boom for their business. So Safari's search traffic reportedly declined for the first time in April 2025, a trend that Q attributed to users increasingly turning to AI platforms like chat GPT for information, highlighting changing user behavior for search. So potential AI search engines that Apple is considering include OpenAI's chat GPT, known for its voice and memory features, perplexity AI, praise for real time citations and concise summaries, and also in Propix Claw, known for its reasoning and clarity, and which also just recently integrated web access after waiting, like what seemed like 100 years to do so. So this move suggests that Apple is carefully observing how generative AI is reshaping information access
Starting point is 00:16:27 and may be preparing for broader AI integration across the ecosystem. So yeah, I would expect us to see some official either announcement or rumors around Apple's WWDC 2025, which is next month. And like I said, on the surface, bad news for Google. Right. However, we could also see if Apple is going to be offering up a variety of AI powered search engines. Instead of just Google search, I would be interesting to see if Google's new AI search modes, whether it's AI mode or AI overviews, or even just Google Gemini, may also be offered as an alternative to kind of Google.com traditional search. Live stream audience, what do you guys think? what do you guys think?
Starting point is 00:17:19 Are you happy with kind of the default search engine on the iPhone? I don't know. I'd say I'm personally using Google.com less and less. I'm using chat GPT a lot more. I'm using Google Gemini a lot more Microsoft copilot, right? I'm using AI search way more than I was using traditional kind of non-AI search engines. I do think this is the norm. Again, I kind of live in an AI bubble.
Starting point is 00:17:50 So live stream audience, let me know. Is this something you think is going to catch on? Is it maybe too soon? Adobe just introduced an entirely new way to create, bringing the power and precision of its creative suite into one conversational experience. Meet Firefly AI Assistant, now live in the Adobe Firefly app, the all-in-one creative AI studio. Powered by Adobe's creative agent, Firefly AI Assistant lets you start with your vision,
Starting point is 00:18:23 just describe what you want and shape the outcome as it takes form with the assistant. The assistant orchestrates multi-step workflows drawing on 60 plus pro-grade tools across Adobe Creative Cloud apps, including Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere, Lightroom Express, and more to help bring your ideas to life. You can also get started with creative skills, a growing library of pre-built workflows for common creative tasks like batch editing photos, creating mood boards, portrait retouching, and creating social variations. Every step the assistant takes is visible so you can refine, redirect, or take over at any time.
Starting point is 00:19:01 You stay in the driver's seat as the creative director. Adobe Firefly AI assistant now in public beta. See it today at firefly.adobie.com. Joe is asking when is Apple going to make an AI operating system? Not just integrating AI into MacOS, but when AI is the operating system. I don't know. I'd say that's like a decade away at least, right? We saw all these, quote unquote,
Starting point is 00:19:34 Apple intelligence announcements over the last couple of years from Apple. Yet we are. Here we are. Years later, Apple's AI is either pretty much non-existent, right? Yeah, there's a lot of class action lawsuits against Apple for promoting this Apple intelligence that does not exist, right?
Starting point is 00:19:54 And their commercials and their marketing. So yeah, I mean, I've talked about this enough. I don't think any company has fumbled the AI bag harder than Apple, especially considering the resources that has devoted to artificial intelligence. And I did think it was pretty cocky of Apple to just go ahead and try and rebrand artificial intelligence. Apple intelligence. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:20 And they've absolutely been horrendous in terms of bringing. artificial intelligence to its billions of users, right? I did get a new Apple iPhone, not just for the built-in AI features. I was kind of due for an upgrade anyways, but partially for the AI features. And they're pretty much non-existent. Yeah, it's just like more coming soon. So, yeah, we've heard that the actual smarter Siri might not be until late 2026 or even 2027.
Starting point is 00:20:51 So who knows? I'm not holding my breath for this anytime soon. All right. Yeah, big boge on YouTube, just saying search engines, are they still a thing? Cecilia is saying Apple may be the smart holdout, though, given some recent skepticism. Could be. Could be. I'll say this.
Starting point is 00:21:12 I think serious users aren't looking at Apple seriously when it comes to AI, right? I don't think they are. All right. Our next piece of AI news, and this one could be serious. the FDA, the Federal Drug Administration and Open AI, are reportedly talking about potentially teaming up to speed up drug approval process. So the FDA is actively exploring the use of AI to accelerate the notoriously slow drug approval process, which currently takes more than a decade for many new drugs, according to FDA Commissioner Marty McCari. So Open a
Starting point is 00:21:51 A.I has been reportedly meeting with the FDA as part of this effort, discussing projects like integrating chat GBT into FDA's research aimed at supporting the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research's review work. So Jeremy Walsh, the FDA's first ever AI officer is, sorry, the FDA's first ever AI officer, is leading these discussions, which also involve associates, from Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency and Peter Bowman Davis, the acting chief AI officer at the Department of Health and Human Services. So no formal contract between OpenAI and the FDA has been signed yet, at least not according to reports,
Starting point is 00:22:39 but the agency has already completed its first AI-assisted scientific review for a product signaling early adoption of AI tools in regulatory science. Former FDA Commissioner Roberts Caliph noted that AI has been used in review teams for several years and emphasized that AI's potential extends beyond final reviews to many internal FDA operations. Experts, though, urge caution emphasizing the need for clear policy guidelines on data usage and model performance to ensure AI systems learn the right information and maintain reliability. So personally, I think this is both extremely exciting and worrisome. Here's why.
Starting point is 00:23:29 AI literacy is low, right? Even for people trying to keep up with large language model developments, literacy is generally low unless you are devoting multiple hours, right? Unless half of your, you know, full-time job is to learn AI. right? Because this is one of those things when it comes to artificial intelligence, when it comes to large language models. And this also applies to this scenario of the FDA, potentially partnering with Open AI. You have to have a team of people that are just learning AI that are just there to become more literate in training the rest of the team. This is not right.
Starting point is 00:24:15 AI and large language models are not something that you learn once and then apply it to the business, whether your business is a marketing company, a small business, or the FDA, right? So that's why part of it is, yes, I know that sometimes drug discovery takes more than a decade, takes tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars, and getting drugs to market faster could obviously save lives. It could eradicate diseases. Yet at the same time, the stakes are extremely high here. When it comes to handing off something as a important as drug discovery to AI and maybe not handing off, right? We hope this is one of those cases where when we talk about augmented intelligence,
Starting point is 00:24:58 right, like the best of humans working with the best of AI. But the problem I see here is teams are not dedicated or sorry, are not dedicating employees to simply just learning the technology and then teaching it to others. Because the developments are too quick, right? whether you're talking about OpenAI, Microsoft co-pilot, Google Gemini, Anthropic Clawed, Mistral, meta, whatever, throw out any company that puts out AI models. A lot of times you're seeing multiple updates a week, whether those are front-facing or behind the scenes.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Yet, I don't think hardly, I'd say less than 1% of companies in the world have devoted an AI team to both learning models to highly specialized use cases. and to training other employees, right? Everyone just wants to slap the easy button. So this is one of those that is equally exciting and completely terrifying. All right. Speaking of absolutely exciting, Google Gemini has released a new version of their world leading Gemini 2.5 Pro preview.
Starting point is 00:26:12 This one called the I.O. Edition. So Google has launched an early update to its most powerful AI model. Gemini 2.5 Pro preview, now called I.O. Edition, preparing developers for the upcoming Google I.O. 2025 conference here in about a week. So this new version, which let me just say this, Google didn't need to do this. They didn't need to, like, put out a new version of their Gemini 2.5 Pro preview because it was already the most powerful large language model in the world. And Google's like, yeah, let's just go ahead and make it even more power. even though no one could catch them.
Starting point is 00:26:51 So now this new version, and here's where I think this is important, it's officially ranks first on the web dev arena leaderboard, outperforming competitors like OpenAI, Anthropic, and DeepSeek and coding benchmarks. So yeah, now Gemini essentially has a clean sweep. So it's not only, right, so when we look at these ELO scores, right? So this is from LM Arena. you know, there's millions of votes. People go on there.
Starting point is 00:27:21 They put a prompt in, get two outputs. You don't know who's who. You say, this one's better. It's the old, you know, Pepsi versus Coke blind taste test. So, you know, Google Gemini and their Gemini 2.5 Pro has cleaned up in terms of overall score, but there was a couple of categories that they weren't number one in, right? There's, I don't know, I think there's something like eight to 12 categories. But now they essentially have the number one spot, not just collectively, but
Starting point is 00:27:48 almost in every single category. So the new Gemini 2.5 Pro I.O. Edition demonstrates advanced coding skills, making smart architectural designs that resemble a senior developer's approach. An exciting one here, the model can also generate fully scalable learning applications from just YouTube videos and excels in front-end web development by automating tasks such as matching colors, fonts, and margins.
Starting point is 00:28:18 So yes, you can use this new model via the API, but you can also just use it inside Google Gemini, inside Google's AI Studio, or inside Vertex AI for enterprise companies. I'll say this, go use the Canvas mode. All right. So if you have a Google Gemini paid account, also, if you're a student, you get like a year and a half of Google Gemini, the free version, Google Gemini advance for free. with a valid.edu email. Go get that. Go cash in on that. And go try the newest version of Gemini 2.5 Pro.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Try the canvas mode. Okay, this is essentially it can render code. You don't need to learn code. You don't need to know anything about code. Just, you know, talk to it, say, here's my company. Here's my problems. Here's a bunch of data. Make me something useful in Canvas mode.
Starting point is 00:29:09 The new Canvas mode update in Gemini 2.5 Pro I.O is even better than it was in the quote unquote normal Gemini 2.5 Pro. It's extremely impressive, mind-bogglingly robust, I would say. Like, I'm enjoying the more and more time that I spend with this new model using Canvas. Just the possibilities are endless. It's extremely impressive on the coding, on the software engineering side. But if you are not a super geek, if you just want to, you know, go and try it out, I would tell you, to just try it out on the front end, go inside Google Gemini. Also, if you do want to know,
Starting point is 00:29:55 you can use it in Google's AI studio, which is kind of more for developers, but go look at or go watch or listen to episode 514. We broke down Google's new AI studio for non-technical people. I think that it'll be extremely helpful. All right. Yeah, big bogey just says, go Gemini. Sandra says, wow.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Michael, good question, says, how do I choose canvas in Gemini? Is it automatic? So, yes, good question. If you are using the Gemini app, there is a little Gemini icon or, or sorry, a little canvas icon or button at the bottom that you can just toggle on and off. All right. More AI coding, y'all. You know what?
Starting point is 00:30:45 I told, I told everyone about that. this when I laid out the 2025 AI predictions and roadmap. We did this in an entire series. And I said non-technical people are going to be building up solutions for themselves. I mean, half of the stories this week have been about AI coding. And our next story follows suit. That's because Amazon is getting into the AI vibe coding game. So Amazon Web Services is reportedly developing an AI powered code generation tool. called Kiro designed to generate code in near real time by leveraging AI agents. According to reports from Business Insider.
Starting point is 00:31:28 So I think it's Kiro, maybe it's Cairo. I'm not sure, right? When these are reports, they never really come out and say the tool name. So I think it's Kiro. So Kiro is expected to support both web and desktop applications and feature multimodal capabilities, allowing it to work with third-party AI agents, would make it highly flexible for various development environments. Beyond code generation, Kiro could create technical design documents,
Starting point is 00:31:56 identify potential issues in the code, and then optimize it, potentially streamlining multiple stages of software development. Amazon already, though, offers an AI coding assistant named Q developer, which is similar to GitHub co-pilot, but Kiro appears to be a more advanced and comprehensive. intensive agentic AI coding tool with initial launch plans reportedly targeted for late June 2025, though those plans could shift at any time. So many new AI coders.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Yeah. I guess I have no choice but to cover these way more on everyday AI, right? I've talked about this a little bit on the show and in the newsletter as well. I've always struggled with covering things like AI vibe coders, right? One of the reasons is I started everyday AI for non-technical people, right? And I'd say a year ago, you know, 18 months ago, when a lot of these AI vibe coding tools started to really become popular, I still think they were probably for more technical people. But now they've gotten so good and so commonplace, I would say vibe coding,
Starting point is 00:33:13 is not even necessarily a technical thing anymore, right? I don't think it's just for developers, I think, and I even predicted that in 2025, non-technical, everyday business leaders would be using these tools, whether it's to generate little apps for themselves, Chrome extensions, or just to create business dashboards that they can go in and use, right? So think of all the enterprise pieces of software that you use on a day-to-day basis and you're like, oh, man, you know, some simple tasks in here take 30 steps and it takes so long. Or you're like, man, I wish my, you know, CRM or my ERP could do blank.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Well, now you can just go into these tools and, you know, might not be the best version of it, but you can get a working version up, you know, sometimes just in a couple of prompts. So I do think now we're at the point where this AI vibe coding and spinning up your own apps and software is for the non-technical people. Yeah, Michael from YouTube says, I think we're all going to have to learn to code now, at least to be able to read and debug it. Yeah, that's the good thing too. AI can help you, right?
Starting point is 00:34:23 It can tell you, hey, what does this mean? You know, if you go and say, hey, make me, you know, something that connects my, you know, CRM data or, you know, create a business dashboard that I can just chat with that helps me, you know, better identify hot leads in my CRM as an example, you know, it will, spit out the code and write a program. But you can also say, hey, what's going on here? Why did you write it in Python versus, I don't know, JavaScript, right? You can still have a natural conversation and you can say, you know, hey, write this code,
Starting point is 00:34:53 render the code, let me run it. But then also exploit it to a fifth grader. Like, what the heck did you just do, right? Because I do believe the better you understand the basics. The better you can quote, unquote, vibe code, right? Although you can get something, you know, duct tape up without even necessarily. understanding what's going on under the hood. All right.
Starting point is 00:35:17 Our last two pieces of AI news pretty big in terms of open AI. AI and their formation. So kind of two related stories. So first, open AI announced that its nonprofit arm will continue to control the for-profit business that develops chat GBT and other AI products, reversing its earlier plan to grant more independence to the for-profit. division. So Open AI CEO Sam Altman stated that this decision came after discussions with civic leaders and attorneys general from California and Delaware highlighting regulatory and public interest
Starting point is 00:35:56 concerns. So the for-profit segment of Open AI will transition into a PBC or a public benefit corporation, which is a structure that balances profit making with a mission-driven focus. and the non-profits will remain the major shareholder, ensuring ongoing influence over the company's direction. So OpenAI was originally founded nearly a decade ago as a nonprofit research lab with the goal of developing artificial general intelligence safely for humanity. But in doing so, its market value has gone from a nonprofit. So now all of a sudden, its market valuation is $300 billion. with chat tpT, one of the most popular websites in the world. So the governance shift and, well, I guess shift back reflects tensions within open AI,
Starting point is 00:36:52 including the lawsuit from former co-founder, now chief competitor, Elon Musk, who alleges the company in Altman betrayed its founding principles. Musk obviously has since launched a rival AI company XAI and has acquired X, and has launched competing AI models called Brock. So this development signals ongoing challenges in Open AIs being able to balance AI innovation, profit motives, and ethical oversights, which may impact how AI technologies are governed and developed in the future. So according to Open AI statements, retaining nonprofit control aims to ensure that AI
Starting point is 00:37:33 advancements remain aligned with its broader societal interest rather than purely share, holder profits. Speaking of shareholders and OpenAI's company formation, a new and pretty breaking report that could be huge. So according to the Financial Times and our last AI news story that matters, OpenAI and Microsoft are reportedly engaged in high stake talks to revise their multi-billion dollar partnership agreement, aiming to enable Open AIs planned IPO or initial public offering, while also protecting open or protecting Microsoft's access to Open AIs advanced AI technologies.
Starting point is 00:38:23 So Microsoft, which was one of the first major investors in Open AI and has reportedly invested more than $13 billion in the company, is negotiating now how much equity it could receive in the restructured deal of open AI as the company moves away from its original model to a for-profit public benefits company, but that could go public. Yeah, a lot of conflicting reports, a lot of new information, but let's talk a little bit about this partnership and why it's important. So yeah, if you didn't know, Microsoft has really benefited from being a reported 49% stakeholder in OpenAI. And right now, the existing contract between Microsoft and OpenAI, which was signed in 2019
Starting point is 00:39:19 and runs through 2030, governs Microsoft's rights to OpenAI's IP and revenue sharing, what Microsoft is reportedly willing to reduce its equity stake in OpenAI in exchange for continued access to new AI developments beyond 2030. All right. So essentially they're like, hey, we'll give up less control if we can hold on for longer. And this is even more complex as OpenAI CEO, Sam Altman, aims to develop AGI that surpasses human capabilities
Starting point is 00:39:55 and has been launching some other huge partnerships with other big companies. So as an example, Open AI, does have some other massive investments, including a $40 billion funding round that they closed recently that was led by SoftBank. So this ongoing restructuring plan includes keeping ultimate control with a nonprofit board, but granting that board significant equity in director nomination power in the new public benefit corporation. But critics, including Elon Musk, argue this moves prioritizes profit over opening. AI's original mission to benefit humanity. So Open AI faces regulatory scrutiny from California and Delaware authorities to ensure its
Starting point is 00:40:42 restructuring complies with charitable laws and maintains its public benefits mission with Delaware's attorney general emphasizing the need for appropriate nonprofit control. This evolving relationship between Microsoft and Open AI shows a little bit of signs of strain, partly due to OpenAI's independent expansion efforts, such as building its own computing infrastructure called Stargate and partnering with other firms like SoftBank and Oracle in that Stargate project, which creates tension given Microsoft's role as a major funder and technology provider. So industry experts warn that OpenAIs need to balance investor demands with its mission presents risks as raising billions under a capped profit model is challenging and failure to complete the restructuring,
Starting point is 00:41:34 could jeopardize future funding with SoftBank, namely its own IPO prospects and its ability to compete long term with tech giants like Google. So yeah, more extremely interesting developments with OpenAI and its company formation, right? So yeah, even as we see OpenAI expand its partnership with some of the biggest companies in the world, right, mainly that $40 billion funding round in partnerships with SoftBank and Oracle. Yet at the same time, they're going to play in other domains as well, right? So we saw Open AI countries announce Open AI really trying to get in in the college student market, you know, giving away free access for about a month and a half. And then, you know, like we said, reportedly acquiring windsurf. So really going after the AI coding market.
Starting point is 00:42:32 So a lot of open AI news, not just in the moves they're making, but also in its corporate, in its current structuring, as well as future partnership plans with Microsoft. So yes, according to this report from the Financial Times, they could be, Microsoft could be renegotiating and saying, hey, we'll take a little bit less equity if we can retain some of that partnership past 2030. So maybe taking a little less to hold on much longer. All right. A lot of news here, y'all.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Let's quickly recap the AI news that matters for the week of May 12th. So first, Apple and Anthropic are reportedly teaming up for a new vibe coding. experiments that could upgrade Apple's X code after Apple was not able to really kick off the AI coding project on its own. OpenAI has reportedly acquired AI coding tool and IDE windsurf for $3 billion shaking up the AI development landscape. Next, Apple is considering adding AI search engines to Safari, which would challenge Google's dominance. and be a huge gain for AI startups like OpenAI, Perplexity, and Claude. The FDA is apparently exploring a potential partnership with OpenAI to speed up the drug discovery
Starting point is 00:44:11 and the drug approval process. Google has released a new version of its Gemini 2.5 Pro preview called the I.O. addition, which achieves some top benches in coding, software development, et cetera, and really just extended its lead, you know, at least against the second and third place models, both from OpenAI in OpenAI's 03 and GPT40 models. Next, OpenAI is reportedly developing Keero, a new AI code generation tool aiming to keep up with all the other AI coding tools in vibe coding platforms. Next, OpenAI is reversing course and saying that its nonprofit arm will retain control
Starting point is 00:45:00 over chatGBT and its AI business. And last but not least, OpenAI and Microsoft are reportedly renegotiating partnership terms with that could lead the way for Open AI to go public in Microsoft to potentially have a smaller equity slice of open AIs pie, but extend it for longer. That was a lot happening in the world of AI news. I hope this was helpful. If so, if you're listening on Spotify, do me a huge favor. Spotify changed their little algorithm recently.
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