Everyday AI Podcast – An AI and ChatGPT Podcast - EP 538: 50% Jobs Gone due to AI? Anthropic CEO’s Explosive AI Job Warning

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

Is AI gonna wipe out 50% of entry-level jobs?Anthropic's CEO says that's the case when it comes to AI jobs disruption and entry-level, white-collar jobs. So..... is that for real? Or just an AI CEO trying to pump his company's newly released tools? Join us to find out!Newsletter: Sign up for our free daily newsletterMore on this Episode: Episode PageJoin the discussion: Have a question? Join the convo here.Upcoming Episodes: Check out the upcoming Everyday AI Livestream lineupWebsite: YourEverydayAI.comEmail The Show: [e-mail] with Jordan on LinkedInTopics Covered in This Episode:Anthropic CEO's AI Job Loss WarningAI Impact on White Collar RolesAI Companies' Job Displacement Tax ProposalAnthropic's Claude 4 Model DiscussionUnderstanding Agentic AI and Job ImpactWall Street's AI Buzzword InfluenceMedia's Role in AI Job ApocalypseGovernment's AI Regulation ChallengesTimestamps:00:00 "Hot Take Tuesday: Job Loss & AI"04:31 "Future of Entry-Level White Collar Jobs"08:20 AI-Induced Job Displacement Crisis12:01 AI's Workforce Impact: Disruption Ahead13:22 AI and Future of Desk Jobs18:19 Future of Full-Time Jobs Uncertain21:48 Claude Four: Expectations vs. Reality25:28 AI Disruption Hits White-Collar Jobs30:07 Wall Street's AI Over Employees31:10 "Corporate Greed and AI Investment"37:40 Debating AI Policy Balance38:42 AI’s Impact on Jobs and Society43:24 Media Hype Over AI Job Fears48:25 AI Revolutionizing Business Dynamics49:30 AI Job Impact: Leaders' ResponsibilityKeywords:Dario Modi, Anthropic CEO, AI job loss, Entry level white collar jobs, AI companies taxed, AI systems impact, Government regulation and AI, AI technology producers, AI job displacement crisis, AI-driven efficiency improvements, AI reshaping industry dynamics, AI job apocalypse, AI unemployment rate prediction, Knowledge worker disruption, Large language models, AI autonomy, AI reasoning, Agentic AI systems, AI-driven transformations, AI-model reasoning, AI-augmented jobs, AI automation, AI workforce reduction, Corporate greed and AI, AI regulatory policies, AI token tax, AI and economic impact, AI and workforce change, AI driven societal change.Send Everyday AI and Jordan a text message. (We can't reply back unless you leave contact info) Start Here ▶️Not sure where to start when it comes to AI? Start with our Start Here Series. You can listen to the first drop -- Episode 691 -- or get free access to our Inner Cricle community and all episodes: StartHereSeries.com Also, here's a link to the entire series on a Spotify playlist. 

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50%. That's assonite. And he's saying that AI companies, such as his, Anthropic, should be taxed for it. and that the government and businesses need to do something about the AI systems that Anthropic and others are creating. So is he right? Is that actually going to happen? Or is he just trying to preemptively paint himself as a martyr while sounding a proverbial alarm and placing the AI job loss blame to other AI CEOs who aren't following his lead? Well, we're going to be answering those questions and a lot more today on Everyday AI.

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Why did the Anthropic CEO say that up to 50% of entry level white collar jobs are going to poof be gone because of AI? What the heck is this all about? Well, it's the return of hot take Tuesday. So live stream audience, let me know. Should I take it easy? Right. show me show me with the flame emoji in the in the comments should i one take it kind of easy should i two flame emojis bring a little spice three are you here for the hot take four

should i burn this thing down all right i've got takes as i sometimes do um so let me know i'm going to take a sip gear up i want to hear what you all have to say and live your audience. Thanks for joining us as always. Yeah, if you're on the podcast, we do this thing live 7.30 a.m. Central Standard Time. So come join us, hang out, leave some comments, ask questions. So yeah, let me know. Should we really heat it up on this hot take Tuesday or keep it, keep it easy. All right. Let me start here. There's a lot of truth to what Dario Madi is saying. In fact, I've been saying pretty much the same thing for. years. Right. So if you literally go back to the very first episode of Everyday AI back in April

2023, yeah, it's a little cringe, but I essentially, without giving specifics, because I wasn't about to, you know, look into a crystal ball, but I said, will AI take your job probably? That's how I started off the Everyday AI show. So I just want to put that on the record. I agree. I do think a very high percentage. I don't know if it's going to be 50% or not, but I believe a very high percentage of today's entry-level white-collar jobs won't be here very long, right? The Anthropic CEO says one to five years. I wouldn't say that. I would say it's probably about three to six years. And I would say it's probably closer to 30%, right? If I had to say, you know, if you were forcing me to respond to his predictions and give you mine,

that's what I would say. So I'm not going to say that those 30% of people aren't going to be with work. I do think the unemployment rate is going to go up significantly, significantly, and I've been on the record saying that, right? And anyone that tells you, hey, AI won't take your job, someone using AI will. if anyone said that to you in good faith in the last six months, stop listening to that person, right? If you're reading someone's newsletter or, you know, this is your AI guru,

go ahead and dump them because that's, that's wrong. And that's straight up just not smart. All right. But I've been saying this for a long time. AI is going to take many more jobs than it will replace or sorry, then it will create. Because yes, there will be millions of new jobs

that we don't know exist. That's why, you know, when I look at that 50% to 30%, I think a lot of those jobs are just going to look a little different, right? If we talk about entry-level,

white-collar jobs, you know, whether we're talking about accounting, finance, consulting, tech jobs, etc.

I don't think they're going to up and up disappear. I think they're going to look drastically different. I do think the total number of full time roles in those white collar entry level position are going to scrape. But I don't think that they're going to be 50% vanishing overnight.

But I've been saying this since day one, y'all. AI will take more full-time jobs than it will create. Right. And anyone that tells you differently, ask what their motive is. Right. What's my motive in saying that? Well, I have a free podcast. I bring smart people on.

you can listen to them if you want to. You don't have to, right? I don't have anything necessarily to financially gain by telling you that. I just want to tell you the truth because I think there's so many smoke and mirrors in just the business world right now around AI, right? People, I think you need to have a very realistic view and that's, you know, as someone that's spent thousands of hours talking about this, working on this, investigating, Everything that's happening, you know, I've spoken to thousands, literally, smart people in AI. I've interviewed hundreds of them on this show. Yeah, it is a net negative, but it's not 50%.

Let's go there. All right. Let's first look at exactly what the Anthropic CEO said. So he said half of entry-level white-collar jobs could disappear within five years. All right. He didn't say they would. He said they could. I think a lot of people, you know, are kind of blowing this out of proportion a little bit.

But he did say that unemployment could spike to 10 to 20 percent. And this could affect a lot of different sectors, such as finance, consulting, tech, and law. Right. And those, if I had to pick categories, I would say Dario's actually head on. I would probably have picked three out of those categories if I were picking the top five sectors that would be disrupted. It is going to be knowledge work, entry level, knowledge work positions that are generally high paying because companies just aren't going to want to continue to hire those when they figure out that these AI systems that we're all able to use today are just as capable, right, as we are stepping in 2025 from the kind of quote unquote traditional large language models to models that can now reason, use logic, think ahead. and plan, right? So we have the reasoning large language models.

And now we have the ability for multiple agents to be using these models that can think and reason and solve problems like a human while using your company's files. Right. So there's a reason. I think it's kind of coming to a culmination right here in 2025. Also, Dario did say, and he claims that other AI executives share the same concerns as him privately. but no one else will speak about it publicly.

And he's the only one brave enough to come out and say this. And he is calling for governments to stop sugarcoding the coming job displacement crisis. A lot of people are calling this the AI jobs apocalypse. So, you know, for context, right now the unemployment rate is 4.2%. So to think 20%, that's astronomical, right? take away the COVID-19 peak where I believe it was at about 14%. We haven't seen anything like 20% in our lifetimes. So Dario did mention entry-level jobs and what kind of jobs you're probably thinking,

aside from those sectors, but mainly jobs that involve looking at documents, reading, researching, summarizing, brainstorming, creating reports, right? And those things I talked about, that's probably the majority of what a lot of us do, right? We read information online. We summarize it.

We rewrite it. We use that information to brainstorm new solutions, right? It's just, if I'm being honest, it's not just entry-level white-collar jobs in those four sectors. It is a good chunk. of knowledge workers in general that today's and tomorrow's more agentic AI systems are going to impact.

So here's the hot take, y'all. You want the hot take? This is more PR than an actual warning. All right. Sorry. Dario Modi is not some night in shining armor. coming in and saying, yes, tax us, tax the AI companies. Right?

And, you know, hey, let's sound the alarm. This technology we're building is going to take away jobs. Right. Doesn't deserve a medal for that. And also, I don't think that is, you know, obviously I can't judge what he's thinking, right? But I don't know. Call me a skeptic. But these companies, right?

And he's not alone and you do have to tip your cap to Dario Modi for being the one big tech CEO who's actively talking about this. So he's right in that regard. Right. But if you are working, if you are a C-suite person at Anthropic at Google, at OpenAI, at Mistral, at meta, at any of these, you know, AI labs. You know exactly what future systems are capable of. And you know that they will very likely, especially here in the U.S., where there is little to zero regulation around artificial intelligence, you know that it is going to be extremely disruptive to the workforce.

Again, y'all, I've been saying this for a very long time. I think people like to avoid hard conversations. I think people want to tiptoe or sidestep harsh realities. But the harsh reality is there's going to be millions, especially here in the U.S. There's going to be millions of people, probably tens of millions of people in five years that no longer have traditional full-time employment that have traditional full-time employment today. I've talked about this a lot. I think just the employment is going to change.

I think that in 10 years, probably, you know, if you look around, you know, your circle of friends, you know, I would guess, you know, depending, right. But, you know, if you are a knowledge worker, if you sit in front of your computer all day, I'm guessing if you look around, you know, 10 of your friends, probably almost everyone, if they're a working person, they have desk jobs, right? Full-time desk jobs. I think in 10 years, half of those people aren't going to, not just because of AI displacement. but I think the nature of work is going to change.

I've been saying this for a long time. I don't think full-time employment is going to be viewed the same in 10 years as it has been for many decades. I think many people will start owning many businesses and it'll kind of like, you know, how, you know, task work, you know, whether you're saying, you know, Uber or, you know, Instacart, right? Think of that for professional services for legal, right? I think that's going to be pretty common in 10 years because of AI. Right. So I don't, I don't think that what Dari Omadi is saying here is a true warning, right? I think this is actually just PR, right?

And I'm going to break down the timeline later. But it's kind of ironic, right? That, you know, he went on this, you know, short press tour days after. Anthropic released Claude 4. All right. It's my hot take. And maybe Claude 4 wasn't getting the headlines. So a couple of days after,

you know, Anthropic starts this press tour saying, hey, AI is so capable that we need to talk about it, taking half of white-collar jobs. Oh, and by the way, look at this amazing model that we just released that can work for up to seven hours on its own

and can code better than humans. Oh, right? y'all i was in the media i was in the media for i don't know what seven or eight years for seven or eight years of my career uh you it's it's so easy to uh manipulate the headlines right uh in this if i'm being honest right this is what i see this as hey i'm going to come out and say something shocking i'm going to come out and say something uh that the whole world has to pay attention to uh because it is alarming right but i'm going to come out and say something that i'm going to come out and say, hey, I'm the good guy here.

Yeah, go ahead and tax us. I'm giving you the, I'm giving you guys the warning, right? But I'm the good guy here. Oh, and by the way, Claude four, we just dropped it. Oh, crazy, crazy coincidence, right? If this was truly a moral and ethical warning, right, to society, we're not three months ago, right? or why not in three months?

Why within a couple of days of your first ever big conference and your, you know, the clawed four models that, you know, the AI world has been waiting on? Huh. But I also think as much as anything, this is the media's fault. Right. Now you're seeing all these headlines. AI job apocalypse. But, you know, oh, looks like Anthropics, the good guy here, right?

They're giving us the warning. They're the only one speaking. speaking out about it. He says you should tax the AI companies, right, to help compensate for this massive job loss. I'm not buying it. So why did he say he's speaking about this now? All right. So he says that other AI leaders haven't as much raised public alarms about job losses. He believes that lawmakers and ordinary people are unaware this is about to happen. I a thousand percent co-signed that. He called this, Dario called this a duty and obligation for himself as an AI technology producer to warn society. And he admits that these warnings that he's making are not

in his best economic interest to make publicly. Right. And he's like, hey, someone, someone used to say it. But, you know, he kept saying these same lines, right. I listened to his interview on CNN, on Fox News, where, you know, he kind of said the same talking points over. know for right. Hey, you know, there's there's six or seven other big tech companies and, you know, who are doing the same thing. And if we could stop today, but they would keep going. So we're going to keep going. Right. Yeah. I get it. But he wants to, you know, he wants himself and Anthropic to be the ones that are raising the alarms, right? Why not three months ago. Why not two years ago? I've been saying this for multiple years. This is the only

conclusion. This is the only conclusion. Unless you don't believe in in math, science, and data, there's no other conclusion that traditional full-time employment gets blown up. Right. And yeah, it's, it's, it's uneasy because we don't know what this is going to look like in a couple of years, right? I don't I try not to even talk a lot about you know AGI artificial general intelligence or ASI artificial super intelligence right too much on this show because I think the more you start talking about five to 10 years down the line the more difficult it becomes to make those needed personal and professional growth steps right because then at that point uncertainty sets in And that's not what I'm here trying to do.

But the end destination is there will be tens of millions of fewer full-time jobs, right, whether that's in five to ten years. But that's the reality. All right. So let's talk a little bit more about this timeline. Funny. Funny, right? Why sound the alarm now?

Well, it's good press. Any press is good press. And also, if it bleeds, it leads. right so inthropic someone over there and anthropic said you know what let's go ahead and do this now because then everyone's going to talk about claude four and then we're going to you know they're just going to go ahead and you know talk a little bit about our code with claude developer conference that just happened on may 23rd uh but here's my take the initial reaction was lukewarm to the new claude four models, right? It wasn't like with Google Gemini and they're 2.5 Pro. It wasn't like Open AI's

recent announcements, their recent releases that really just grabbed the headlines and Google and Open AI, let's let's be honest. They're running away. They're running away. I said this on the show last week, 18 months ago or maybe like four, even 14 months ago. You could have made the argument that Anthropic was maybe in the lead. I didn't think that, but an argument could be made. But I'd say it was solidified. They were a top three, probably top two, right? Before Google woke up and chose violence in December of 2024 and has been on a complete rip ever since.

Now Anthropic is for me, for, let me, for, let me. say this. You want to the hot takes, right? Anthropic is not for the everyday business leader. They're not even a top three AI chatbot company, right? They've essentially said, yeah, we're not going down the AI chatbot route. We'll let, you know, open AI and Google and Microsoft and mana and everyone else. We'll let everyone else do that. You know, we're going to be, we're going to work on the API side, right? Yes, Claude is great for soft. software engineering for coders, for developers, you know, agentic tool use, right? But they're like, yeah, we're not going to do this whole general business, you know, chatbot.

Was that a specific strategy? I'm hoping, right? But I think that they saw the reception to their Claude 4 and everyone, you know, has been talking about Claude 4 for a very long time. And, you know, everyone's like, ah, this is going to be AGI. right? This is, you know, Claude 4 is going to be the model. Right? It's like,

there's a lime in the sand. You either thought it was going to be like GPT 5 or you thought it was going to be Claude 4. And then when the world didn't suddenly change when Claude 4 came out, now it's time to sound the alarms. Right. So interesting, right? Interesting that, you know, five or six day gap between the product launch and now all of a sudden,

Anthropic CEO is making, the media rounds, you know, trying to paint the picture of, we're the good guy here, you know, or maybe the good guy in the sea of bad guys, right, depending on depending on how you want to look at this. But in all of this media tour, of course, it gets mentioned that, oh, you know, Claude 4. And when you're working with Claude is a coding agent, it can go and work for almost seven hours straight, right? I can almost guarantee enthropic after this little media round has seen a ton, a ton of revenue come pouring in because now all of a sudden on mainstream media, which it's not easy, right, it's not easy on the same day to go on CNN and Fox News, right?

We're not talking about, you know, MSNBC, which covers AI or, you know, more like tech media. No, we're talking about the big nighttime news networks. To get on CNN and Fox News is pretty big. And with a splashy headline like this, what I'm saying is they had traffic and new customers coming in droves because of this. And that had to have been part of the plan, right? I've been in this world before. That's how it works.

So let's talk a little bit about this. kind of scale of AI disruption. Okay. And this is what, you know, kind of Dario's talking points here and has talking about, well, why is this AI going to suddenly be so disruptive, right? Whereas it's, we've had these large language models for, uh, you know, almost three years now, right? That have been publicly available as AI chat pots almost, right?

So why now? Well, talking about just the capabilities. They've improved. So he was saying, well, before, you know, maybe you were lucky if it was a high school student, right, or the level, but now it's a college level, right? And that's why he's saying we're going to see massive disruption, especially for entry level jobs, right? You think, oh, entry level job is a college graduate. So if these AI systems that, again, are more than front facing chat outs, they are way more

capable and robust. They can reason because they're powered by these reasoning models so they can think ahead. They can use your data, right? So we have variations of rag or retrieve block meta generation. Right. So essentially all of the downsides of AI chatbots, right, the context, the memory, not working with your company's data, you know, not really thinking something through like a human would, not being able to go off and, you know, work autonomously.

I'm not saying those things are solved, but those things in certain situations are kind of almost solved. And so that's why we're saying, hey, now's the time. This is why disruption is upon us. And it is those white collar entry level positions that are most vulnerable, right? Here's the thing. Wall Street loves AI, right? And Wall Street hates employees. So what we've seen happen over the last, you know, a couple of years,

big company in their earnings call, they say earnings are up. They drop AI buzzword like salt bay drops salt on a stake, right? AI, AI, AI, AI, right, in their earnings calls. And hey, the more you say AI or now agentic AI or, you know, agents, AI agents, right? Say that more. Your stock goes up. Then what happens? We're going to cut a couple hundred jobs.

We're going to cut a couple thousand jobs. But don't worry. We're investing billions of dollars in AI skyrocketing. Right. Well, how does that work? How does that, how do those two things justify themselves, right? These these two, it's a complete just a juxtaposition, right? You're saying, well, hey, we're going to cut hundreds or maybe thousands of jobs,

but we're going to invest billions of dollars. in AI. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, it does make sense, right? Because today's full-time jobs, tomorrow's AI is going to be better at them than humans. Right? Let me repeat that. I didn't write that down. That's just off the cuff. I'm being honest, right? So today's jobs, today's full-time jobs are going to be accomplished better by tomorrow's AI systems. And that's why we're seeing this, this, you know, AI job apocalypse conversation happening now. And because the technology is advancing faster, broader, and deeper than any previous technological change in history. Right.

I've been saying this for a very long time. You know, people are trying to compare AI to the technology. the internet, which I think is dangerous and ill-informed, right? But still, most businesses had 10, 15, 20 years to very slowly adopt to the internet. Can't do that with AI, right? If your company still is not using AI in any way, shape, or form, right? Even the employees, right? Because all employees, if you're working at home, all employees are using, you know, chat GPT at home on their second computer do all their work anyways, right? Or just using it on their work computer and hiding it from employers or employers don't care. Right. So I would say almost any company, you're using

AI. And if somehow you're the one in 1,000 company that's not, you're going to pretty much for sure go out of business. Right. That's that's reality, especially if you are a larger organization, right, maybe you're a small local business. So I'm not trying to scare you there. But if you are a large enterprise company, which I know many people are listening, are part of that, your company's already been using AI for multiple years, whether you know it or not, right, especially traditional AI, right, if you're in certain sectors, but on the generative side, too, even if you don't have a policy, even if you think, oh, we're not using AI. Well, some employees definitely are. Adobe just introduced an entirely new way to create, bringing the power and precision of its creative

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Forum's 20, 25 outlook. So they projected that there would be 170 million new jobs created, while there would be 92 million displaced by 2030. So the World Economic Forum, at least, is saying that there will be a net positive gain of 78 million jobs globally, despite AI, automation trends and 40% of surveyed employees plan workforce reductions where AI can automate tasks. Right. This is, these studies are some of the problem. Right. I don't believe them at all.

I'm sorry. I know there's, there's, you know, minds much brighter than mine at these big, you know, world economic forums and the international monetary fund and people that come out with these, you know, law. lofty, you know, these lofty projections that there's going to be, you know, tens of millions of a net gain. There's not going to be. Well, at least not if you're talking about here in the U.S. Because, like I said, Wall Street hates employees. Wall Street loves AI, right? The more you fire employees or stop hiring, reducing overall headcount.

And the more you invest in AI, the more your stock goes up, right? And y'all, I've done. got a complete show on this, right? The receipts are there. You know, I'll make sure to mention this show in the newsletter. But the reason is is because tech CEOs are not, sorry, not tech CEOs, just public CEOs and executives at public companies are making like ridiculous MBA salaries. They're making tens of millions of dollars.

And they're saying, okay, well, hey, if I cut, you know, 3% of our, workforce and invest billions of dollars into AI, I'm going to double my salary in three years, right? So unfortunately, there's a lot of people and entities to blame here. And part of it is also corporate greed, right? And part of it is also these, some of these studies that I think are completely unrealistic because they are detached from the reality of the Americans, system that runs the world, which is capitalism, which is great.

Why does no one just want to call a spade a spade? I don't know. All right. And the reality is there's not going to be a net positive gain of, you know, 78 million jobs, at least not here in the U.S. Maybe worldwide. I don't know. I don't follow world economies as closely as a pile of things here in the U.S.

But I do know in five to 10 years, there will be way, fewer full-time employment opportunities in five to ten years than there are today, and it won't even be close. And this, what Dario Amadi is talking about, we've already seen the writing's on the wall, right? We just saw Microsoft lay off 6,000 workers, specifically citing AI-driven efficiency improvements. Crowdstrike a couple of months ago eliminated 500 jobs due to AI reshaping every industry dynamics, what they said.

And also recent data shows that 14% of workers are already experiencing AI-related job displacement. And every surveyed CEO says they are working furiously on AI worker replacement strategies. It's not good. Right? CEOs are working on this. You know, Walmart too. I think Walmart cut, uh,

500 corporate jobs in anticipation of AI transformation meta recently announced a 5% workforce reduction after predictions about AI coding. Yeah, it's this is what happens, right? I'm trying to think of a nice way, but maybe I should just follow Dario's lead here and just not sugarcoated it. right? Does AI have the potential to do a lot of good? Absolutely. Can it cure diseases? Yes, it's already doing that. Go look at the research, right? Large language models are finding cures for diseases. It's solving decades old math problems. Is there potential huge upsides that we haven't even

considered that are more important than employment. Yes. Yes. And I'm very excited for those. But traditional full-time employment, it's not going to be good, right? Yes, there's going to be different ways, hopefully that we're all providing for ourselves and our families, right? Like my thought is it's going to be very common for the everyday business leader to have five side hustles, right? To have multiple companies. That's what I think because I think the price of professional services are going to, they're going to go down, right?

You're not going to be paying a lawyer, you know, $500 an hour anymore. You're going to be, you know, you're going to be paying an AI powered entity with humans behind it, you know, $20 an hour, right? That's, that's where I think we're headed. And the other thing is, well, the government, right, Dariamani calling on the government to do something, right? Which is funny. It's like, you know, the person breaking the law saying, you know what? The cops need to do something about it, right?

Obviously, Anthropics not breaking the law here, right? But what does that say when the tech leaders, the AI labs that are the ones creating the technology that's, It's leading to job disruption being like, you know what? The government should do something about it. The government needs to step in. Well, I agree with him there too, right? Right now, the Trump administration has removed Biden-era AI safety regulations through executive orders.

Congress has been described as woefully uninformed about AI realities. Yeah, that's saying it nicely. There's many people in Congress that don't know even how the Internet works. there's plenty of great videos online that show that. And also right now, the federal government fears when they're talking about AI job displacement, they fear spooking workers or appearing to lose the AI race to China, right? Because this is AI, we all know, it's the new gold, it's the new oil. It's, it is whoever has the firmest grasp on the most powerful AI first,

you become this world's superpower for the next decade, right? Whether you say that's AGI or ASI or, you know, hey, we just collectively have the world's most powerful AI, right? Having that puts you in the driver's seat for geopolitical power to be the main economic driver in the entire world. So yeah, you can't really slow things down. So what's the government supposed to do? I don't know.

You can talk about universal basic income. You can talk about putting protections on certain jobs. You could punish these, I don't know, punish corporations that are, you know, doing these massive layoffs due to AI, right? Yet their executives are making tens of millions. of dollars. I don't know. That's why I just have random rants on a podcast and I'm not the one making policy decisions. But I don't think the current administration's kind of no questions asked AI approach is going to be helping things in the long run. I also don't think the previous Biden era AI safety regulations were necessarily the right approach either. So probably something in the

middle, right? I believe previously we were too restrictive. Now we're probably a little too open. But right now, you know, there's been some policy ideas floated, having something like a token tax of maybe 3% on AI company revenue for government redistribution. But Americans want responsible AI. But I don't think we're going to get that. Who's actually? responsibly right now, right? Like, like, just look at everything that's happening with, you know, whether you're looking at inflation, the economy, current political discourse. And then all now these uneasiness with the rate of tech innovation and what's happening

in the business landscape, everyone's scared. Who's going to be responsible? I don't think anyone will be. Because right now there's not even a comprehensive. policy framework that exists for what happens when AI takes 50% of, you know, entry level white collar jobs. What happens? What happens to those people who were earning good livings?

And out of that came taxes, right, which helped, uh, local state and federal government. Okay. What happens then? What happens when those people don't have money to pour back into their local economies? Right? It doesn't. It doesn't add up. It doesn't add up.

The future that we are now sprinting toward fundamentally and systematically doesn't work. But we're going to be there. Right. So we as a society, whether that's government policy or the, the, the big AI companies that are paving the road before the cars are ready to travel. Someone has the responsibility to make sure that we as a society can move forward in an era, in an age where we have AGI, where we have humanoid robots with superhuman capabilities. How does the economy work?

How does society work? I don't know. But what I do know is it's going to happen, right? And this is all Anthropics data, but they said that their internal tracking shows 60% augmentation versus 40% automation usage currently. So even about how they're using their own internal systems. And they said that automation percentage steadily is growing while augmentation usage levels remain relatively stable.

right and right now there's hundreds of technology companies racing to build agentic AI replacement systems right that's what agentic AI is yeah it's fun and you know we all want to know more about agentic AI but do you know what that is do you understand what agentic AI is it's job replacing AI right this goes back to you know earlier I was I was a really railing on this concept of, you know, AI won't take your job,

someone using AI will and it's dumb because it doesn't make sense. All right, but what happens when that one person is using agentic AI and they are an agent orchestrator, right? Because then by tomorrow's systems,

they'll be able to do five jobs, 10 jobs, 20 jobs, right? And the CEOs, in the C-suite, in the executives, and the boards, they're not going to tell that one person, hey, go a little slower. Hey, don't make us that much money, right, with these agentic AI systems. Right.

Hey, how about you create some new roles for human? No. Agentic AI is job replacing AI. Right? that is when a large language model has agency. It has tool use. It can go out and string a multiple tasks together using your company's data. It can go build apps.

It can go do research. It can go sell things. Right? We're already seeing that. But this is where business is transitioning from, traditional software to AI agents accelerating faster than expected. Right. And when there's hundreds of companies racing to do this, that's what happens.

And like I said, as we wrap up this show, I think, unfortunately, the media is getting played here. It happens a lot. But this whole AI job apocalypse that now everyone is talking about, you know, Anthropic CEO Dari Amori coming in and saying, you know, hey, I'm sounding the alarm. The media is largely to blame for this, right? That a big CEO can just come on and say the same, you know, talking points on multiple different interviews. And, you know, then we're just kind of just promoting a certain product because it just happened five days ago. So everyone's talking about it.

But I think that we need to lean. more on academics. We need to lean more on economists. We need to lean more on those people investing in and building local communities. Right. That's where I, that's what I care about, you know, where all of the effort right now is going into building, you know, more capable AI systems, right? So on the innovation side, we want more agents. We want more capable AI systems. On the business side, we want to reduce humans and increase profit. I care about the human side, the local side. What's happening there? That's what I think we have to care about. Because what happens if Dario Modi is dead right. What happens if he's dead right?

And 50% of entry level white collar jobs are gone in one to five years. I think it's something we need to talk about. And we also have to separate AI hype from these legitimate job concerns. Right. And that's the problem. That's also, you know, the sounding of the alarms might just sound like, oh, we've heard this music before. Right.

Have we? Sure. But we need to understand we're past the AI hype, right? You can't put this on a curve. You can't say this is temporary. Agenic AI, large language models, AI disruption and the workplace, it's not going anywhere. It's only going to increase steadily, month over month, year over year. And it's already happening, right?

We're seeing this job displacement. already happening. So I think a couple of things. Number one, the media needs to do a better job, period. All right. Number two, we need someone in government, regulation, policy, right? I think this is going to be a big part of the 2028 election, the presidential election here in the U.S.

It's going to be, what are you doing about AI job displacement? Because by that point, it's going to be pretty bad. It's going to be pretty bad. but I also think we need business leaders. People like you listening right now, would you be happy with 50% of jobs gone? There's kind of this concept I like to call it quiet firing. Right.

Companies just aren't hiring anymore. Right. So maybe they are normally hiring 100 new people every year. Now they're only hiring 20. And we have this big tsunami of, you know, baby boomers retiring and they're just not replacing them. So it's almost like a quiet firing, right? We've heard of quiet quitting.

What's happening now is quiet firing. Headcount is just being reduced steadily across all industries. And I think we're going to see over 2026, and we're going to see some unemployment numbers that we're starting to feel uncomfortable with, you know, here's a country here in the U.S. So business leaders, what happens? Do you want 50% of jobs gone?

I hope not. right? But you also need to think, what are the jobs of the future going to look like? And you need to start thinking of those now, investing in them now, because that's where new lines of revenue come. This changes AI doesn't just change the role of the employee. It changes the role of the business. It changes how we as companies, we as enterprises, it changes how we operate and how we ultimately make money. And our purpose, whether you're a small business or a global juggernaut, AI also changes your company's purpose because AI is changing humans. It's going to, like I said, unfortunately, I think we're going to see a job loss, a pretty big one here in the coming years.

How does that change what your company does? How does that change how you make revenue? How does that change how you serve your community, your customers, your clients? You need to start thinking about that now. So I don't have all the answers, but we're going to always be talking about them. So I hope this one was helpful. I know this was half hot take, half like, yo, we got to hit pause and reflect on this as a society, right? Especially here in the U.S. I know we got people listening from all over the world, but especially here in the U.S.

where it is the wild freaking West when it comes to AI. And unfortunately, companies are rewarded when they cut jobs. So yes, this is evil part hot take on this, you know, AI job apocalypse. But equal part like, yo business leaders, we need to figure this out. Because whether it's, you know, 50% of entry level white collar jobs in one to five years, which I don't think is going to be, but it's got to be something. All right. So we have to be the responsible one.

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