Everything Everywhere Daily: History, Science, Geography & More - How Many Nobel Prizes Should Einstein Have Won?

Episode Date: December 4, 2020

In the 120 year history of the Nobel Prize, there have been four people who have been given the award twice. One of them is not Albert Einstein. Yet, when you look at his list of accomplishments and t...he fields of physics which he has touched, he arguably deserved more than one Nobel prize. Join me as I play fantasy physics and try to figure out how many Nobel Prizes Albert Einstien should have won on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 In the 120-year history of the Nobel Prize, there have been four people who have been given the award twice. One of them is not Albert Einstein. Yet when you look at his list of accomplishments and the different fields of physics which he has touched, he arguably deserved more than one Nobel Prize. So join me as I play Fantasy Physics and try to figure out how many Nobel Prizes Albert Einstein should have won on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily. Fear is the virus is trending on TikTok. scenes are poison. Then your yoga teacher says that sex traffic children are being sacrificed by satanic liberals, but it's all okay. The great awakening is coming. What is happening? Every week on
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Starting point is 00:01:41 you love to learn, then start your subscription by visiting Everything- Everywhere.com or by clicking on the link in the show notes. The history of Albert Einstein and the Nobel Prize is a rather complex one. By the year 1920, Einstein was unquestionably the most famous scientist in the world. Yet, he had not won a Nobel Prize. He had developed the special and general theories of relativity. He had set the equivalence of mass and energy in his famous E-E-E-E-E-E-Q-Squared equation, and he had contributed to many other areas of physics.
Starting point is 00:02:16 His work on relativity had been nominated by many physicists over the years, but the Nobel Committee never gave him a prize. There were a bunch of reasons why Einstein was never given a Nobel Prize. Being Jewish and pacifists were big ones. The Nobel Committee didn't want to honor someone who was so outside the mainstream. The biggest reason, however, is that he was a theoretical physicist. The prize had, up until this point, primarily been given to people who proved things through experimentation. In 1919, evidence for the general theory of relativity was finally found
Starting point is 00:02:49 during a solar eclipse when British astronomer Arthur Stanley Eddington detected light from stars which was bent by the gravity of the sun. Everyone figured that 1920 would be the year when Einstein finally won his Nobel Prize. Instead, the award was given to Charles Edward Guillaume in quote, recognition of the service he had rendered to precision measurements in physics by his discovery of anomalies in nickel-steel-steel alloys." Unquote. Yeah, Geyome was just as surprise as everyone else that he won. Well, okay, maybe there wasn't enough time for the results to sink in. Surely 1921 would be the year that Einstein would win, right? In 1921, they gave the Nobel Prize in physics to
Starting point is 00:03:32 no one. Yeah, they decided to give it to no one rather than give it to Einstein. The attitude of the Nobel Committee was summed up by one Alvar Goldstrand, a Swedish optomologist who sat on the physics committee. In his diaries found long after his death, he wrote of the 1921 physics prize, quote, Einstein must never receive a Nobel Prize, even if the whole world demands it, unquote. By 1922, the Nobel Committee was looking ridiculous in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of the physics community for not giving Einstein a prize. The rules of the prize stipulate that if no one were given an award in the sciences, it would roll over to the next year. So in 1922, they could retroactively give the 1921 prize. The committee determined that they had to give the award
Starting point is 00:04:20 to Einstein to maintain their respectability in the scientific world. It was just a matter of what they were going to give it to him for. This was probably the only time in the history of the Nobel Prizes when the winner was determined before the reason for the award. In 1922, the nominations poured in again, and again there were dozens of nominations for Einstein in the general theory of relativity. However, there was one nomination for Einstein which wasn't for relativity. Carl Wilhelm Olssein, a Swedish physicist, nominated Einstein for his work in discovering the photoelectric effect. The photoelectric effect basically holds that photons of light will have more energy at shorter wavelengths. The committee decided to give Einstein the 1921 award, which wasn't given out
Starting point is 00:05:04 the previous year, and give the 1922 award to Neal's Bohr, who developed the theory of the atom. By giving an award to Einstein and Bohr at the same time, it eliminated having to give one to Einstein by himself. So, Einstein won his Nobel Prize, but it explicitly was not for relativity. In fact, when he was notified by the Nobel Committee, they stated, quote, The Royal Academy of Sciences has decided to award you last year's Nobel Prize for Physics in consideration for your work in theoretical physics and in particular your discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect, but without taking into account the value which will be accorded your relativity and gravitation theories after these are confirmed in the future."
Starting point is 00:05:48 They left the door open for a future prize, but none was ever given. Einstein didn't really care too much about the prize. He didn't attend the prize ceremony because he was giving a lecture in Japan. All of the money he won went to his ex-wife in a previous divorce settlement, which actually stipulated that any Nobel money would go to her. Later in his life, when he was asked which honors he was most proud of, he put the German Physical Society's Max Planck Medal first and didn't mention the Nobel Prize at all. Given that we now have 120 years of Nobel Prizes under our belt, it's an interesting question to ask, how many Nobel prizes should or could Einstein have won?
Starting point is 00:06:28 For the purposes of this theoretical discussion of theoretical physics, I'll set the following rules. One, any prize he might have shared with someone else will count as a prize for Einstein. After all, if you share a prize with someone, you're still considered a Nobel laureate, and you still get the medal. You only split the prize money. Number two, the Nobel Committee does not award posthumous prizes. So for the purpose of this discussion, we'll either assume that they do, or that Einstein
Starting point is 00:06:53 is now 141 years old, and he didn't do any more physics after 1955, which was the year he died. Before we dive in, how many people have ever won more than one Nobel Prize? The answer is four. They are Marie Curie, who won in physics in 1903 in Chemistry in 1911, Linus Pauling, who won in chemistry in 1954 and Peace in 1962, John Bardeen, who won in physics in 1956 and 1972, and Frederick Sanger, who won in Chemistry in 1958 and 1980. So with that, let's start the Einstein count. For this, I'll basically count any scientific contributions, which we'll be in chemistry. We'll were at a Nobel Prize level based on previous awards. Number one is, of course, the prize which he did win for the photoelectric effect. There is an argument that the 1921 and 1920 prizes that Einstein and
Starting point is 00:07:40 Bohr received were really a single shared prize for the same thing, but it makes no difference for our purposes. Number two would be for a special relativity. He developed this in 1905, and probably would have ended up sharing this prize with Hendrick Lorentz, who developed some of the equations for it. Number three would be for general relativity, which he published in 1915. This was all his, and he would have gotten this alone. Number four would be sharing the 1929 prize with Louis DeBroy for wave particle duality. DeBroly freely admitted to Einstein's contribution to his work, but Einstein was never given credit by the Nobel Committee.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Number five would be from his 1916 paper on the spontaneous emission of light from atoms. This was the first time the idea of randomness was put into quantum mechanics, and it's now a pillar of the science. This paper also developed the idea of stimulated emissions. mission, which was the theoretical basis for lasers. The 1964 Nobel Prize was given for the invention of the laser. Number six would be the work he did with Indian physicist Satyendra Bose in developing what became known as the Bose-Einstein condensate. This is a state of matter at extremely low temperatures. The 2001 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for proving and creating
Starting point is 00:08:50 a Bose-Einstein condensate, and Bose also never received a Nobel Prize. Number seven would probably go to figuring out Browning Motion. The 1926 prize in physics was given to Jean-Batisse Perren for experimentally proving a theory which Einstein established in 1905. Prize number eight could have been given for his work with quantum entanglement. The theoretical basis was set by Einstein, Boris Plotsky, and Nathan Rosen. They published a paper in 1935 titled, Can Quantum Mechanical Description of Physical Reality be considered complete? This was the theoretical basis that led to the 2012 Nobel Prize. A ninth possible prize could be a share of the 1933 prize that went to Erwin Schrodinger. Einstein was involved in the creation of Schrodinger's equations and contributed
Starting point is 00:09:37 enough to jointly share in the prize. A possible 10th prize could be his theory of gravitational waves, which was finally proven true and awarded a Nobel Prize in 2017. So far, we're at 10, and these are just the things which actually did win a Nobel Prize, for which Einstein played a major part in the development of the theories which made winning the prize possible for someone else, or for his theories of relativity, which were obviously overlooked and ignored by the committee. There's an 11th thing which he could have won a prize for which is often overlooked. Peace. In his later years, Einstein was a big advocate for nuclear disarmament. Given his role in the development of the atomic bomb, he felt it was his duty. Given that
Starting point is 00:10:21 chemist Linus Pauling won a peace prize in 1962 for basically the same. same thing, and Einstein was far more famous and influential than he was. It's not at all out of the question that he could have shared the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize if he had lived that long. So, 11 theoretical Nobel Prizes is not too shabby. It's hard to overestimate the impact that Einstein had on almost every area of physics in the 20th century. Yet, believe it or not, when it comes to physics, Einstein might not be the greatest of all time. I'll investigate that in a future episode when I dish out the theoretical Nobel prizes for won Isaac Newton. Executive producer of Everything Everywhere Daily is James McAlla.
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