Everything Everywhere Daily: History, Science, Geography & More - Insanely Ridiculously Absurdly Large Numbers

Starting point is 00:00:00 One of the first mathematical concepts that most of us grasp when we're children is that there's no such thing as the biggest number. No matter what number you pick, you can always add one to it. Now, you might think that such a simple idea wouldn't have any profound impact in mathematics, yet it does. In fact, mathematicians have come up with numbers so mind-bogglingly large that it's difficult to even grasp their size, and new forms of notation had to be developed to even write them down. Learn more about insanely, ridiculously absurdly large numbers on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily. Fear is the virus is trending on TikTok. Vaccines are poison. Then your yoga teacher says that

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Starting point is 00:01:48 words for numbers beyond two or three, because their daily lives didn't require exact counting beyond that. Instead of precise numbers, they often use qualitative terms such as one, two, and then many. And this wasn't a limitation of intelligence, but a reflection of practical needs. When activities like hunting, gathering, or sharing resources rarely depend on exact large quantities, there was little pressure to create or maintain a full counting system. But as we progressed, we needed to worry about things like money. Even in the ancient world, the idea of a million people or a million pieces of silver was not unheard of. You might remember a time when a billion dollars was an astronomical amount of money.

Starting point is 00:02:30 Today, there are companies with valuations over a trillion dollars, and the U.S. national debt is approaching $40 trillion. As the scale of both the atom and the universe came to be understood, scientific progress necessitated the use of increasingly large numbers. One of the first problems we had was how to express large numbers in writing. If you just write out a large number as they appear, it becomes a massive string of digits that is difficult to read. It might be easy to tell the difference between a million and a hundred at first glance, but it would be hard to tell the difference between a septillion and an octillion without actually counting the digits. To solve this problem, mathematicians, scientists, and

Starting point is 00:03:11 engineers use exponential notation. This is usually expressed as 10 to the power of something because we use a base 10 numbering system. The exponent reflects the number of zeros in the number. So 100 is 10 raised to the power of 2, as there are 2 zeros. One million is 10 to the power of 6, as there are 6 zeros. A billion is 10 to the 9, a trillion is 10 to the 12th, and so on. Each time the exponent increases by one, it's considered an order of magnitude. And you've probably heard me use the expression order of magnitude on this podcast many times. A hundred is an order of magnitude greater than 10. A million is four orders of magnitude greater than 100.

Starting point is 00:03:59 If you need greater precision, you can write it out in scientific notation, which is similar. 2,300,000 would be written as 2.3 times 10.000. to the power of six. While exponential notation helps you compactly express large numbers in writing, we've also developed a naming system for large numbers, some of which you're probably already familiar with. The prefix naming system for very large numbers extends the familiar thousand, million, and billion pattern used by Latin and Greek numeral roots, combined with the suffix ilion. In the modern short scale used in the United States and most English-speaking countries, each new Ilyan represents a power of 10 that is three orders of magnitude greater than the previous

Starting point is 00:04:41 one. Million is 10 to the 6th. Billion is 10 to the 9th. Trillion is 10 to the 12th. Quadrillion is 10 to the 15th. Quintillion is 10 to the 18th and so on. The prefects is quad, quint, sex, sept, oct, non, and deck indicate 4 through 10. For even larger numbers, more systematic constructions are used, combining writ forms to form

Starting point is 00:05:05 names such as Undecillion, Vigintilian, and Centillion, which are defined by convention rather than by the prefix system. The system is regular in structure, but it becomes impractical at very high magnitudes, which are why scientific notation and exponent-based systems are preferred beyond a certain point. Likewise, there is an international standards for prefects when used as an adjective. The SI-prefect system is to represent powers of ten in a standardized way. Each prefix corresponds to specific power of 10 and is attached to a unit such as meter, gram, or byte to indicate scale. The commonly encountered large prefixes are kilo for 10 to the 3rd, mega for 10 to the 6th, giga for 10 to the 9th, tetra for 10 to the 12th, peta for 10 to the 15th, Exa for 10 to the 18th,

Starting point is 00:05:56 Zeta for 10 to the 21st, and Yoda for 10 to the 24th. To provide some examples which are a bit more tangible, here are some references in real terms for extremely large numbers. The age of the universe is about 13.8 billion years, which corresponds to roughly 4 times 10 to the 17th seconds. Estimates for the number of sand grains on Earth usually fall around 10 to the 18th to 10 to the 20th. Astronomers estimate that there are roughly 10 to the 22 to 10 to the 24 stars in the observable universe. A typical human body contains on the order of 10 to the 27 atoms. The Earth contains roughly 10 to the 50 atoms,

Starting point is 00:06:39 and commonly cited estimate for the number of atoms in the observable the universe is 10 to the 80. This figure is sometimes called the Eddington number, named after Arthur Eddington, a British astrophysicist, who first estimated its value in 1940. The Eddington number of 10 to the power of 80 is about as big as we can go as far as counting actual things. However, mathematically, we're just getting. started. If you can express large numbers as exponents, we can create even bigger numbers. Such a bigger number that most of you are familiar with, even if you don't know it, is 10 to the

Starting point is 00:07:17 power of 100, which is also known as a Google. The word Google was coined in 1920 by American mathematician Edward Kassner. While discussing the idea of extremely large numbers, Kassner asked his nine-year-old nephew, Milton Sarada, to invent a new name for the number. 10 to 100. The child suggested Google, which may have come from the cartoon character Barney Google. The company Google was named after the number of Google, although they are spelled differently. The company Google is G-O-O-G-L, whereas the number is G-O-O-G-O-L. Why a Google is far larger than the number of particles in our universe, no matter how you define it, there are still things that are larger than a Google.

Starting point is 00:08:04 The number of distinct possible chess games, known as the Shannon number, is often estimated to be around 10 to the power of 120. Of course, once a Google was defined, we went into the realm of stupidly huge numbers. And another one that some of you might be familiar with is a Google Plex. A Googleplex is 10 raised to the power of a Google. A Googleplex is so large that even if every particle in the universe were one bit in a massive computer, you couldn't even express the number in binary form. A regular book can hold about 1 million zeros.

Starting point is 00:08:45 If you write down a Googleplex, you would need more books than there are particles in the universe. Now, you might think that a Googleplex is about as big as it's worth bothering to define. The brother, we are just getting started. Exponents are just a short way of doing multiplication. So 10 to the third is just a short way of saying 10 times 10 times 10. However, you can raise exponents to exponents. A Googleplex is 10 to the power of Google, which is just 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 100.

Starting point is 00:09:22 And once you start putting exponents on exponents, you get ridiculous really quick. And once exponents themselves become too small to describe growth, mathematicians move to iterated exponentiation, which leads to something called tetration. If exponentiation is just repeated multiplication, tetration is repeated exponentiation. To describe this growth systematically, computer scientist Donald Kuntz introduced up-arrow notation.

Starting point is 00:09:54 The symbol is literally just an arrow pointing up. A single up arrow represents exponentiation, so A up arrow B means A to the power of B. Two up arrows represent tetration. So a double up B means A to a power tower of height B. So to put that in numbers, two up arrow four is just two to the power of four, which is 16. easy. But to double up four is two raised to the power of two, raised to the power of two, raised to the power of two, which equals 65,536. 10 double up three would be 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 10, which is 10 to the power of 10 billion, which is far larger than a Google.

Starting point is 00:10:46 Three up arrows represent repeated tetration and so on. So each addition, arrow moves to an entirely new insane level of growth. So for example, three, three up three is not just large, it's beyond a Google Plex. And there are still larger numbers that can be expressed even beyond this, which is now in the realm of higher mathematics. Some famous insanely large numbers come from logic and commentatorics. One well-known example is Grams number, which arose as an upper bound in a problem in what's called Ramsey theory. Gram's number is defined using iterated arrow notation, where even the number of arrows is defined recursively.

Starting point is 00:11:30 It's so large that its last few digits are the only part that can actually be meaningfully discussed in decimal form, yet it's still finite and precisely defined. Another example is the tree three number from graph theory, which is vastly larger than Graham's number. Its definition is short and rigorous, but the result of the result. resulting value grows faster than almost any function commonly encountered in all of mathematics. I want to end this episode with my own little contribution to the world of insanely large numbers. I've never published this, but heck, I have a popular podcast, so I figured this was a good

Starting point is 00:12:04 at time as any to describe it. While traveling around the world with my camera, I had an idea. My digital camera had a set number of pixels, and each pixel can have a set color value. My question was, how many different photos could I take with my camera? Most people, when asked such an absurdly open-ended question like this, would probably say that there are an infinite number of photos you could theoretically take. Think of every possible scene, in every possible angle, in every possible lighting condition. Every person whoever existed or ever could exist in every possible angle with every combination of every possible person,

Starting point is 00:12:39 and all of those images then mixed and combined together with all other photos. Surely, there's no end to the number of photos that could be taken. However, there is. Because the number of pixels and the number of colors are finite, the total possible number of photos that could be taken has to be finite as well. In the case of a 50 megapixel camera, with 64,000 color possibilities per pixel, that would be 64,000 raised to the power of 50 million. Putting this into a normal exponent form raised to the powers of 10, it would be 10 to the power of 240,000, 309,000. So even if every atom in the universe stored a unique image and the universe were recreated again and again

Starting point is 00:13:30 trillions of times, you still wouldn't come close to exhausting the number of possible images. To be fair, most of these images would appear to be pure noise. Only an infinitesimal fraction would resemble anything meaningful like landscapes, faces, or photographs that could possibly exist in reality. But mathematically, they're all valid images a camera could theoretically produce. The important takeaway is that the total number of possible photos isn't infinite. It's finite. Stupidly overwhelmingly large, but finite nonetheless. If any mathematicians out there want to use this in a paper, please give me a couple.

Starting point is 00:14:10 co-author credit so I can earn a Paul Erdish number to go along with my Kevin Bacon number. Insanely ridiculous, absurdly large numbers can be difficult to wrap your head around. And that's okay because our brains truly cannot grasp their size. The main thing that you should take away is that despite their massive sizes, they are not infinite. And that many things we may think of as being infinite are actually just really, really, really, really big. The executive producer of Everything Everywhere Daily is Charles Daniel. The associate producers are Austin Otkin and Cameron Kiefer.

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Everything Everywhere Daily: History, Science, Geography & More - Insanely Ridiculously Absurdly Large Numbers

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