Everything Everywhere Daily: History, Science, Geography & More - Jeanne Calment: The World's Oldest Person?

Episode Date: July 8, 2021

On August 4, 1997, Jeanne Calment passed away in Arles, France. At the time, it was reported that she was 122 years and 164 days old. No one else has ever been verified to have ever even lived to the age of 120. However, in the years since her passing, many people have begun to question her story. Not only might she not have been a supercentenarian, but she might not have even been a centenarian at all. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On August 4, 1997, Jean-Louise Calmond passed away in Arles, France. At the time, it was reported that she was 122 years and 164 days old. No one else has ever been verified to have even lived to the age of 120. However, in the years since her passing, many people have begun to question her story. Not only might she not have been a super-sentenarian, but she might not have even been a centenarian at all. Learn more about Jean-Clement, and if she, in fact, was the oldest person who ever lived, On this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily. What if your perceptions about the past were wrong?

ThruLine is a podcast that takes you back in time to uncover the parts of the story that may have gone unnoticed. It effectively turned day into night. And how it shaped the world now. Time travel with us every week on the ThruLine podcast from NPR. This episode is sponsored by the Travel Photography Academy. If you've listened to enough episodes of this podcast, you'll notice that I often interject places that I've visited. That's because I spent over 10 years of my life traveling around the world almost nonstop. During that time, I went from being a complete novice in photography to winning

almost every major travel photography prize in North America. When I learned how to do travel photography, I had to do it the hard way. It took years of time and lots of travel. That's why I created the Travel Photography Academy, so you can learn from me in much less time, spend the time. much less money. It's an online video course which I shot on location in France, Spain, and the United States, and I cover everything you need to improve your travel photography. So if you want to take your photography to the next level and get better photos on your next trip, visit Travel Photography Academy.com or click on the link in the show notes. As the official story is told, Jean-Louise Clement was born on February 21, 1875, in Arles in

the south of France. Longevity was a trait that ran in her family. She had a brother which lived to be 97, and her father lived to be 93. But for her last decade, her life would have been very unremarkable, and there wouldn't be people doing podcasts about it in the 21st century. She had, by all accounts, in normal childhood. Her father was a shipbuilder. She attended primary school. She lived with her parents until she was 21 when she married her first cousin. The couple only had one child, a daughter named Yvonne who was born in January of 1898. In 1926, Yvonne married an army officer named Joseph B.O. And they had a child named Frederick that same year. In 1934, Yvonne died on her 36th birthday. In 1942, her husband died at the age of 73. Her brother died in 1962,

and in 1963, both her son-in-law and her grandson died within weeks of each other. They were her last living heirs. In 1965, at the age of 90, Jean-Clement signed what turned out to be one of the best deals in history. She sold her apartment in Arles on the condition that she'd be allowed to live out the remainder of her days in the apartment, and that she would receive a monthly stipend, which was the equivalent of $380.000. She lived in the apartment for 20 years until 1985 when she was 110. Over the 20 years, she received over twice the value of her apartment. In 1986, at the age of 111, she began to get on the radar of the media. She was recognized as the oldest person in France. At 112, the Guinness Book of World Records recognized her as the oldest living person. In 1995,

at the age of 120, she was recognized as the oldest person who ever lived. Finally, she passed away in 1997 at the age of 122. Not just the oldest person who ever lived, but holding that distinction by quite a large margin, almost three years. Documented. The subjecting the age of extremely long-lived people has always been very difficult, especially considering that most of them were born at a time when record-keeping wasn't very strict. However, the French government and the Guinness Book of World Records did verify that Jean-Clement was in fact born in 1875. However, after her death, there were many things about her story which just didn't sit right with many people.

In particular, a Russian doctor of geriatrics named Valeri Novoselov had some serious issues. Novoselov looked at some photos of Clement and they just didn't seem right. As a geriatric specialist, he had seen many patients with advanced age. The photos he saw of 110-year-old Jean Clement looked like someone who was 90. The photos of her at 70 looked like someone who was 50. He expressed his concerns online to a Russian mathematician named Nikolai Zak. He calculated the odds of someone reaching the age of 122 to be infinitesimably small. longevity records are usually set by months or weeks, not by years, as was the case, with Sean Clement.

There were other discrepancies with her story. For starters, she never spoke about the cholera epidemic which ravaged Arles in 1884. When she moved out of her apartment in 1985, she had a relative burn all of her personal effects. An ID card from the 1930s had different color for her eyes. Almost all people shrink in height over time. But according to her listed height, she was almost almost. the same height at 114 as she was at 50. She told stories about a maid who took her to school, but when the records were checked, the maid was younger than Jean Clement. They started doing an advanced analysis of her photos through the years, looking at particular

parts of her face. The conclusion they came to was startling. The Jean Clement who died in 1997 wasn't the Jean Clement who was born in 1875. Jean Clement was actually her younger daughter, Yvonne, who was born in 1997, who was born in in 1898. She had actually died at the age of 99. What they believe happened is that Yvonne didn't die in 1934. Jean actually died at the age of 59. Yvonne assumed the identity of her mother to avoid estate taxes. It explained why Jean's grandson often called her mother. She was his mother. It explains why she continued to live with her son-in-law to the end of his life. He wasn't

her son-in-law. He was her husband. All of this probably would have gone under notice, save for the fact that Jean, aka Yvonne, managed to live a really long time. Tack on 23 years to an already long life, and suddenly you have something which makes news all over the world. If this theory is true, it also makes much of her life make more sense. She didn't live by herself until the age of 110. She only lived by herself until the age of 87. She didn't ride a bike until the age of 100. She only did so until the age of 77. The verification of her age was all dependent upon documents for Jean Clement. None of the verification actually tried to establish if she was Jean Clement.

Supposedly in 2007, a book about the French insurance industry was published, which claimed that her real identity was uncovered in the 1990s before she died, but it wasn't released because they didn't want to tarnish her reputation. There have been other claims of extreme longevity around the world, and almost all of them have been proven to be false or fraudulent. Detailed studies have found that super centenarians, those are people who live to the age of 110, drop off dramatically in areas where there was proper record keeping of births.

In many cases, the incentive for fraud is usually tax avoidance and government benefits. In one study, a full 65% of the people who claim to be 110 or older are either wrong or lying. I should note that none of the facts brought forward by the Russian researchers is a smoking gun. None of it can disprove anything. However, when put together, they do make a pretty damning case, and much of the evidence points towards the theory that Yvonne assume the identity of her mother. A group of French researchers has defended Kalmont's true age as being 122. But then again, there's no way they can really prove it either. And they also can't really explain all the discrepancies in the story.

Furthermore, they have a strong incentive to defend their results just to save face. So was John Clement the oldest person in world history? There's no way to know for certain, but I do tend to agree with the words of Norris McWhorger, the co-founder of the Guinness Book of World Records, who said, quote, No single subject is more obscured by vanity, deceit, falsehood, and deliberate fraud than the extremes of human longevity. The associate producer of Everything Everywhere Daily is Thor Thompson. If you'd like to support the show, please donate over at patreon.com.

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