Everything Everywhere Daily: History, Science, Geography & More - Yes, We Have No Bananas (Encore)
Episode Date: August 26, 2023In the late 19th century, bananas, a fruit that had been popular for thousands of years, suddenly became a mass-market sensation. However, just a few decades after it was popularized, the industry had... to completely change what was grown due to a pestilence. As a result, the bananas that most people eat today are very different than the bananas that everyone ate before the second world war. Learn more about bananas, and why your grandparents didn’t eat the same kind, on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily. Sponsors Newspapers.com Newspapers.com is like a time machine. Dive into their extensive online archives to explore history as it happened. With over 800 million digitized newspaper pages spanning three centuries, Newspapers.com provides an unparalleled gateway to the past, with papers from the US, UK, Canada, Australia and beyond. Use the code “EverythingEverywhere” at checkout to get 20% off a publisher extra subscription at newspapers.com. Noom Noom is not just another diet or fitness app. It’s a comprehensive lifestyle program designed to empower you to make lasting changes and achieve your health goals. With Noom, you’ll embark on a personalized journey that considers your unique needs, preferences, and challenges. Their innovative approach combines cutting-edge technology with the support of a dedicated team of experts, including registered dietitians, nutritionists, and behavior change specialists. Noom’s changing how the world thinks about weight loss. Go to noom.com to sign up for your trial today! Rocket Money Rocket Money is a personal finance app that finds and cancels your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps you lower your bills—all in one place. It will quickly and easily find your subscriptions for you –and for any you don’t want to pay for anymore, just hit “cancel,” and Rocket Money will cancel it for you. It’s that easy. Stop throwing your money away. Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to RocketMoney.com/daily Subscribe to the podcast! https://link.chtbl.com/EverythingEverywhere?sid=ShowNotes -------------------------------- Executive Producer: Charles Daniel Associate Producers: Peter Bennett & Thor Thomsen Become a supporter on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/everythingeverywhere Update your podcast app at newpodcastapps.com Discord Server: https://discord.gg/UkRUJFh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/everythingeverywhere/ Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/everythingeverywheredaily Twitter: https://twitter.com/everywheretrip Website: https://everything-everywhere.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The following is an encore presentation of Everything Everywhere Daily.
In the late 19th century, bananas, a fruit that had been popular for thousands of years,
suddenly became a mass market sensation.
However, just a few decades after it was popularized, the industry had to completely change
what was grown due to a pestilence.
As a result, the bananas that most people eat today are very different than the bananas
that everyone ate before the Second World War.
Learn more about bananas, and why your grandparents didn't eat the same kind,
on this episode of Everything Everywhere Daily.
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There's a great deal of uncertainty regarding the origin of the banana.
It isn't as if there's a whole lot of archaeological evidence of bananas, and if you've ever had bananas in your kitchen for more than a few days, you probably understand why.
The location that most people agree was probably the home to the banana was Papua New Guinea, and it might first have been domesticated around 10,000 years ago.
The domestication of the banana probably occurred well before the domestication of rice.
Bananas are actually pretty easy to grow in tropical climate so long as you have reasonably good soil.
While the banana plant may have originated in Pocahpan, New Guinea, that wasn't where it was popularized and spread.
The best guess, and again it's a guess, as is everything about early bananas, is that the banana found their way to what is today the Philippines,
and from there rapidly spread throughout Southeast Asia and Oceania around 10,000 to 7,000 years ago.
The spread of the banana is very difficult to track, but we do know that wherever it went, people created new hybrids and varietals.
Most people aren't aware of it, but there are a large number of it.
of banana varietals around the world. And it's shocking because unlike other fruits like
apples, most people only eat one kind of banana. They come in all shapes and sizes. In the genus
Musa, which is where all bananas are classified, there are over 50 different species and over a thousand
subspecies. In addition to yellow bananas, you can find some that are brown, green, red, and even
blue. The blue Java banana supposedly has a texture similar to ice cream and tastes a bit like
vanilla, but I can't say I've ever had one. We begin to learn more about bananas as they start to
appear in ancient writings. They appeared all over Southeast Asia and South Asia about 2,000 years
after they were domesticated. There are Buddhist texts from around 600 BC that mention bananas.
Also, many Hindu Vedas mentioned bananas. We know Alexander the Great encountered bananas when he
arrived in India. Arab traders brought bananas to eastern Africa in the 5th and 6th centuries.
Islamic Moors brought bananas with them when they conquered the Iberian Peninsula, and for a time the bananas grown in Granada were considered the best in the Arab world.
The word banana is believed to be of African origin. It probably comes from the word banan, from the Wolof language from what is today Senegal, and from there it became banana in Spanish and Portuguese.
It was the Spanish and Portuguese who brought bananas to the Americas. As it did in pretty much every tropical climate, it flourished in places such as Brazil and in the Caribbean.
It wasn't until the late 19th century, however, that bananas became big business.
Up until that point, they weren't a major crop.
They were grown for local food and very limited export.
They simply couldn't survive the long journey on most wooden sailing ships.
They were popularized by the United Fruit Company out of the United States.
I previously did an entire episode on the creation of Banana Republics in Central America,
which were primarily created by the United Fruit Company, bribing and arm-twisting the governments there.
I'm not going to rehash the story, but suffice to decide.
that bananas suddenly became big business, big enough to influence governments. What I do want to
focus on in this episode is the type of banana that they grew. The banana varietal, which became popular
in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, was the Gromichel, or as it was colloquially known
in the United States, the Big Mike. The Gromichel had a lot of properties which made it a great
banana for export. It had a thick rind, which made it relatively durable, and it grew in tight
bunches which made it easy to ship. Most importantly, it had a great taste, which was one of the big
reasons why it became so popular so fast. That varietal spread quickly, and soon it was the dominant
banana grown all over the world for export. Smaller varietals were still grown for local
domestic consumption, but the gromishel was the one that drove the industry. As can happen when you
rely on a single monocrop, it is subject to disease, and that is exactly what happened.
Sometime in the 19th century, a fungus is believed to have appeared
in Southeast Asia, and it began to spread among certain banana varietals. It was reported in Australia
as early as 1878, and it eventually found its way to Central America. The fungus was
Fusarium oxysporum, or as it commonly became known, Panama disease. It was a nasty fungus that had
a particular fondness for the Gromichel banana. It is a wilting disease that would cause the entire
plant to die. Not just that, but if infected bananas were to get on a ship, they could destroy the
entire shipment en route, and possibly destroy everything in the warehouse when it arrived.
For several decades, banana plantations managed to keep it somewhat in check, even though the
fungus was resistant to fungicides. In the early 20th century, began to cause problems with the banana
supply. In fact, the song, Yes, We Have No Bananas, was written by Frank Silver and Irving Cone
about a Greek store owner who had no bananas in stock, and he also began every sentence with the word,
yes. It was number one on the record charts for five weeks in 1923.
The problem with Panama disease didn't go away. By the early 1950s, it began to devastate
large plantations all over Central America, which was, and still is, the biggest banana-growing
region of the world. Hundreds of thousands of acres were taken out of production due to Panama
disease across multiple countries. Soon, wholesalers didn't even want to sell bananas,
lest they get an infected bunch. Panama disease is to the
this day, one of the most devastating blights to affect any agricultural crop in recent memory.
What was needed was a new banana varietal that was resistant to Panama disease.
And this was found, in, of all places, a greenhouse in England. It was the Cavendish
Banana. The Cavendish was named after William Cavendish, the Sixth Duke of Devonshire,
who received the bananas in 1834 from what is today the country of Mauritius. He grew the
bananas in the greenhouse at his home in Chatsworth House. The Camindish banana went into
commercial production in 1909, but it never really took off until the great banana crisis
of the 1950s. The Camadish banana was slightly larger, a bit more curved, and it had a bit
blander taste. But most importantly, it was resistant to Panama disease. The Camadish went into production
and quickly became the banana for export. Many people who were around back then will swear that
the bananas they had growing up tasted better than the bananas of today. And they aren't crazy.
It really was a totally different banana. Today, 47% of all bananas produced worldwide are
Camandish bananas, but that constitutes the vast majority of bananas for export.
87% of all bananas which are grown worldwide are for domestic consumption and not for export.
The problem which took the gromishel out of production might now do the same thing to the
Cavendish. There is a strain of Panama disease called Tropical Race Farmers.
which is now starting to attack the Cavendish plant. Both the Gromishel and the Cavendish
don't have seeds, so they have to be propagated by cloning. And this means that the genetic
diversity of both varietals is very low because they can't reproduce sexually. Unbeknownst to most
people, most banana varietals actually do have seeds in them, and sometimes quite large. Researchers are
currently working on genetically modifying or cross-breeding a version of the Cavendish,
or possibly even bringing back the Gromichel, that would be more resistant to pay.
Hanamah disease. So if bananas suddenly taste different in the future, there will probably be a
reason for it. One of the cultural memes about bananas that has been used for decades is the use of
banana peels in cartoons as a way of making people slip and fall. Personally, I don't recall
ever seeing someone slip and fall on a banana peel, so I've never understood the reference. However,
it really was a thing at one point. In the early 20th century, when bananas were becoming popular,
it was common for people to just toss the peel onto the ground.
A fresh banana peel isn't that big of a deal, but as it starts to rot, it becomes a slimy, slippery mess.
While it was mostly a vaudeville gag, the city of St. Louis, Missouri actually outlawed the throwing or casting of banana rinds on public thoroughfares.
In 2014, the Ig Nobel Prize was awarded to two Japanese researchers who actually measured the coefficient of friction of a banana peel on a linoleum surface.
bananas are also radioactive. Yep, all of them are. However, this is nothing to be worried about. The
radioactivity comes from a naturally occurring isotope, potassium 40. Bananas, avocados, and even
you, are all naturally radioactive. This is just Gary Mansfield of the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory created what he called the banana equivalence dose, or BED, as a way of explaining
small doses of radiation to the public. One banana equivalent's dose is equal to 0.1 microseverds.
Or, to put it in more understandable terms, the radiation from one banana is the equivalent of
1% of the daily natural exposure to radiation most people receive. The annual radiation
leakage from a nuclear power plant is the equivalent of 6.8 BEDs a day. An x-ray would be
equivalent to 40, an average commercial flight is 400, and a CT scan is 70,000. And, and
just for reference, a lethal dose of radiation would be 35 million banana equivalent doses.
There is one other banana-related topic that I should probably address. What is the difference
between a banana and a plantain? Well, for all practical purposes, they're just different
varietals of the same thing. A banana is just a sweeter dessert fruit that doesn't need to be
cooked. A plantain is a tougher, more starchy, less sweet version that usually does need to be cooked.
They're usually baked, boiled, or fried.
Plantains are commonly served in the Caribbean in dishes like Mofungo, as well as in Central America and parts of Africa.
The various banana varietals exist a long as spectrum, so there is no clear-cut point where something is a banana or a plantain because there are some that are a little bit of each.
One of my fondest banana memories, if that is a thing, was traveling through the islands of the Pacific, where fresh ladyfinger bananas would be picked right off the tree for breakfast.
bananas have become a staple crop for the entire world.
They're a quick and easy snack that people of all ages love,
and it is now a multi-billion dollar industry.
And it's all due to a plant which was domesticated 10,000 years ago,
in a valley in Papua New Guinea.
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It's run by a Greek, and he keeps good things to eat, but you should hear him speak.
When you ask him anything, he never answers, no, he just yesses you to death, and as he takes your dough, he tells you, yes, of course, we have no bananas.
We have no bananas today.
We've string beans and onions, cabarges and scallions, and all kinds of fruits.
