Everything Is Content - Are You Wearing The... The Chanel Barefoot Shoe? Amanda Knox Is A Comedian & Megxit's OVER Meg's IN

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

Hello EICriminals! Today, we’re taking a stroll down bonkers alley to answer the question that you’ve all been asking… when is a shoe not a shoe? We’re really living in a foot guy’s world rn… We share our heartache following the death of Dolly Parton and reflect on the incredible legacy she’s left behind. Keep your ears peeled for Beth’s *very* special tribute. Are you kinda sick of kinda chic? The trend that we’ve all been seeing ALL over our feeds this summer has got us wondering… is there any room for creativity online when creators are rewarded for replicating content? We also discuss Amanda Knox and her Edinburgh Fringe show. Why has her show sparked such a debate? Does she have the right to tell her story and what moral obligations does she have? We discuss the case and details of the trial in the second segment, if this is something you may not wish to hear please do skip that segment.Meanwhile: is Marc Jacobs going to style Luigi Mangione for his upcoming New York State murder trial? We discuss our favourite courtroom style moments. And lastly… Megxit is over and YouGov is asking “do you care?”. Meghan, if you’re listening… you’re very welcome to come on the podcast. Enjoy the ep! Love O, R, B x Beth's been loving: Dolly Parton Imagination Library , Furious, Stamptown Oenone's been loving: Fisk Ruchira's been loving: London Falling, Kaynan - Spawn Point Margaret Qualley Barefoot Sandals Is "Kinda Chic" Kinda Cringe? Marc Jacobs says he’d dress ‘trendsetter’ Luigi Mangione for courtAmanda Knox Has Turned Her Trauma Into Comedy – But Should She?Why are Harry and Meghan returning to the UK? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Ruchera and I'm Anoni. And this is Everything is Content, the podcast that doesn't discriminate when it comes to discourse. From highbrow long reads, tell low can you go clapbacks to the best of books, TV, film and music, we will cover it. We're the stylists set dressing the stage of content for your enjoyment. This week on the podcast, we're in mourning because Dolly Parton has died, but apparently the show must go on. We can't cancel this week's episode. So we will be talking about the shoe that isn't a shoe, the accused of.

criminal to comedian pipeline, and when did murder trials become a fashion show? Just as a content warning, we will be discussing the Amanda Notts case and details of the trial in the second segment. If this is something you may not wish to hear, then please do skip ahead. You can follow us on Instagram and TikTok and substack at Everything is Content Pod for behind the scenes content and a chance to get your opinions included in future episodes. And please also make sure you've hit follow and maybe giving us a review if you can on your podcast player app so you never miss an episode. But first, what have you both been loving this week?

Ruchera, I am going to pick on you first. Okay, I'm ready. I've been born ready for this. I have been reading London Falling by Patrick Radinkees, which is obviously a big Beth recommendation. And, oh, my goodness, I am at that pivotal point of a book where I wish the day could go to bedtime so I can just read another chapter.

It's so pacey. I feel absolutely breadcrummer. by this story. I cannot believe he's got me in the palm of his hand. It's so good. It is so good. I'm so glad that you're enjoying it and that all three of us. Actually, no, but I spoke to someone the other day. Who was it? They were like, I've been reading this book. It's about this. And I was like, oh, that sounds really interesting. What is it? And he goes, oh, it's London falling. And I was like, oh, an incredible book. And he goes, it's so badly written. Can I just own that by you? Do you think it's badly written? There were words used in the book that I had to look up,

but I assume that's just an intellect thing from me. I do not think it's bad. badly written. That is a surprise. What do you think, Beth? I think it's very plainly written. I think there are some really impactful moments. I think the way that he holds information and then reveals information is really its propulsive. It gets you reading. That is not anything that ever flagged to me. And now, since reading that, I went and read every single one of his books. I'm halfway through the snakehead, I believe it's called. And not once has that flagged to me. So it must just be a taste thing. But even in my, even in reading bad reviews of this book, not once did someone mention that. No, I think he's a great storyteller.

I have to say, one, I am getting kind of pissed off just because every time he focuses on the present story, aka the story with Zach, and then he keeps pivoting to history. Now I'm like, okay, I'm done with the history, my friend, please can we keep going on with the present day story? Because I'm obsessed with that one. I want to know the end. It's the bay and switch. Yes.

And then the second thing was, I loved learning about all the kind of scummy highbrow Indians that exist in London. It's a new niche that I've now discovered. I fucking love it. I think that was the working title, Scammy Highbrow Indians, but they just didn't go with it. Maybe a future book in there.

Someone, you're allowed to take that. Okay, that's my first one. And then my second one is, I mentioned this on my Instagram stories a few weeks ago. It's this YouTuber called Canaan, and he has a few hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube, and he's doing such, excellent work. He did this one documentary, which was about the racist protests, the Tommy Robinson

kind of protests in London. And he is a Somalian young guy. He goes down to the protest. He talks to a lot of the people there and has these very open, neutral discussions about why a lot of the people are there. And that's one facet of it. We've seen a few people do that on YouTube. He takes it a step further and he goes back to some honestly incredible, insane college project that he worked on where he went to one of the biggest refugee camps in the world and interviewed several people about their stories and how they ended up there. He intersperses that into the documentary and kind of focuses on the many different things happening, the melting pot and the different kind of tragedies coinciding and conflicting and rubbing up against each other at the same time

that's led us to this place. I honestly don't say, this lightly. I was weeping by the end of it and it was so impactful. I don't think I've seen anything like it. I really, really, really urge you to see it. Please, if you take one thing from me off this podcast, just go watch that. For all of my living on the internet, YouTube and good journalism on YouTube is one area that I just have not mind. And the only times I have, I think it's on the back of both of your recommendations. So hold me to account on this. And I will try and feed back in the next couple of weeks on what I think, because this feels like a little bit of an embarrassment that I don't have. If you said, well, what do you watch in

YouTube? I would be like, ASMR soap cutting. It's not going to ASMR soap cut it. I, no, I'm there's something about the YouTube interface that just doesn't gel with me, even in like the high era of YouTube, I think I managed to watch like a couple of Genome Marbles videos and that was about it. I will end up on YouTube if it's like needs be. I'm desperate to see something. I always have to read download the app to my phone. I don't. don't have it. But Richo, yeah, maybe we really are missing out on a massive medium, Beth, and we should get tucked in. I'll try my best to feedback on it. I'll try my best. I'm also not as good. I watch a lot of vlogs, beauty shit. I will try and represent YouTube for you guys.

Thank you. What have you been loving Beth? Well, first, I wanted to ask, Richard, did we get an update on Tony? Because you went to Tony screening, but I feel like it was in the little break. Did you update listeners on this? Because we were invited to this. We couldn't go. It seemed like every creator was at this screening of a film that we talked about based on Antibordane and had garnered a lot of criticism ahead of time for being, you know, he's only just nine, ten whatever years ago, is it fair? You went to see this. I'm seeing quite good reviews. Can you give us and the listeners a little bit of a Routera review? Okay, yes. So in Kitchen Confidential, Anthony Bourdain's best selling, you know, incredible memoir about being a chef and being in the throes of addiction,

It's kind of like all of his life. There is one chapter really early on where before he's even become a chef, he has one of his first experiences in a kitchen. He goes to Cape Verde, is that how you say? I think it's how you say it. And it's this micro part of the book, but what this film does is blows up that tiny section and kind of writes around what he's said. So a lot of it isn't actually material that's in the book.

I don't know if the director has found more material or it's kind of. like a, you know, a fictionalisation of it, but it features our favourite Leo Woodall, Antonio Banderas, and Dominic Sessa. It's really quite a sweet coming of age film. It's like a nice guy, kind of prickly guy, learning that he can't just be a shit and get away with it all the time. And also the most important thing is the respect that you have for the people who treat you well. He starts off just like kind of this shitball and by the end he becomes a bit more of a likable person but if you have Red Kitchen Confidential, you know that that's not exactly how Anthony Bourdain ends up in his 20s. There's a lot of those cycles I think. I had a lot of strong feelings

going into it. I kind of thought it feels like he has not been laid to rest for very long so I don't know how I feel about this film coming out. I still kind of feel the same if I'm honest and I know a lot of people love this film, it just made me feel really sad. Like Dominic Sessa captured quite a few of the mannerisms and the mouth movements and these tiny ticks I didn't even identify in Bourdain. And by the end, I just was like, oh, God, what a tragedy about this man and I really miss his content. One thing I, obviously, having not seen it, one thing I think is, so it's set earlier in

Bordane's life, I feel that when Anthony Bordane died, there was a great amount of, like, lingering mourning, what a tragedy that he took his own life, sort of bound up with the scandals of his ex-partner. I think there was a murk and a fog around it. I do wonder whether, because I think since then, a lot of people have then gone back to watch his shows and have been like this, you know, what a guy, let's know him as he wanted to be known. Maybe there is a case be made that in not focusing on that, not being a kind of lifetime biography or what's it called biopic that ends with, you know, the end of his life. Maybe there's something in that that actually is quite nice and introduces to people the man that lived, the boy that lived,

the man that lived. Maybe that's nice. I'm going to watch this. I might wait for it to be on streaming, but I want to see him and I want to see Zorro. I haven't seen, what's the name, Antonio Banderas in a film, since Baby Girl, I think. And what have you been loving this week? So as hint at the top, I've been hating that Dolly Parton died earlier this week. It is a dag through the heart. I think we cheer you in the cinema and I obviously got on the group chat and was like Dolly Partners died and I inadvertently broke the news so when you emerged from the cinema you had to you had to face the cold hard world. I am such a huge Dolly Parton fan. Dolly literally sent from above the work that she did towards children's literacy which thankfully people are so talking about her

legacy now like spreading joy acceptance education. I have seen her described as this like true embodiment of what American Christian values so often think they are, but aren't, e.g. Giving and caring and peaceful and accepting to all. And I think Jane Fonda just did her tribute and said, like, to gay and trans fans, like she loved you. You know this. See, I wanted to just say, Dolly, I will always love you. Oh. People are now talking about her imagination library, which is the sort of book gifting program that has been going for about 30 years. And her family we've asked for instead of flowers, donate to that. It's expanded the UK in 2007, which I didn't know that it was so prolific.

And I think it's England, Scotland, North of Ireland, and has delivered like seven million books to UK children, age naught five since then. So yeah, I'm just, I was watching a compilation clip of her best moments earlier. And there's so many zingers. She's so quick, so, so, funny. But someone said, like, one of them was asked her how long it took to do her hair. She says, how should I know? I'm never there.

Someone else said, like, he was going bald and said, like, should I get a wig? Should I shave it? Should I hide it? And she was like, just because you've lost your fuzz doesn't mean you're not a peach. Ah, I lied to the ball community. I'm just so obsessed with her. And I am, I'm in a state of mourning. Oh, I'm sorry.

I knew that you loved her loads. I don't know how I knew this, but I feel like I knew in my heart when you sent that message. I was like, I feel like Beth's going to really take this hard. I also learned that another iconic quote she said was, it's really expensive to look this cheap, which I just love so much. And then also the law that she wrote, I might get this wrong, Jolene, and I will always love you on the same day. Same day, baby. Someone was like, that's like if Da Vinci painted that way, that's if Michael, what, who did the, right, who did the, um, Michelangelo?

Michelangelo. It's like if Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel, I assume we did that and then wrote Joeline one day. I was up to dinner last night with a friend and she was just talking about how she'd made this real and she was hoping that it was. was going to do really well. And then she went, Dolly Parton. I was like, oh my God, she liked the real. And then... No! And then she started laughing. So I started laughing before she could tell me what had happened. And then in the midst of laughing, she had to say she's died. So then we both started laughing even more because we're both in shock. I sometimes do this when someone tells me someone dies

and I start laughing anyway. So then we were both laughing, but really upset because I hadn't even considered the idea of her dying. Like that hadn't even crossed. She's just... 80 years old, just a kid. I just thought she'd always be around. And yeah, I was, maybe that is one of my what I've been lovings. When I was got in last night from dinner, I just watched everyone who put together like so many amazing videos. Everything she says is just perfect. So funny.

Oh, it's really sad. I'm glad that you said that. But yeah, I agree. She's one of those people. I just, she was never on my list as having to worry about the day this would happen because I just, she felt immortal to me, which makes it harder. Yeah. So I will share what I've actually been like. loving, but just know, one thing about Dolly. So I have been watching this new Disney Plus show

Furious, which has Emmy Rossum in it. Oh, I don't know this. Oh, okay. So I, I mean, it might be one of those ones that I'm like, God, everyone's watching this and it's just me. But she basically stars as a traumatized former FBI and NYPD homicide detective, who is now in a much lower FBI role for reasons which you will find out as you watch it. And she goes to visit her former partner cop on a murder scene and she, when she's there, she realizes that it's linked to a former child sex trafficking case that she was working on and that it is the work of a female serial killer. It's very, very good. So the female serial killer is played by Lola Petter Crew, who played Dolor's Price and Say Nothing, which we covered in 2024. And they are, and I didn't recognize them,

but they are fantastic in this doing a very, very good American accent. And the two, the combination of those too amazing. Amy Rossum, I think, is one of the finest actors, have not seen her in anything since, shameless, I want to say, but just, I'm hooked. It's quite violent and it's quite, it's not sort of killing Eve in terms of the relationship between them, but it's a bit cat and mouse as well, and I really, really rate this. So part of the problem I'm been having with consuming media is not only did my partner cancel his Sky subscription, which he's had for like 10 years and it's how I access every single streaming surface. I'm so sorry.

We then had to return the remote to Sky, but we don't have the other remote. So we actually can't use the TV. That's the first problem. So we've been a TV less household and we actually have been quite smug about it. It's only because we can't find the remote, but we haven't watched TV. So I have not, and also I have just been, I know this is consuming stuff is what. I have just been working sort of around the clock constantly. The only thing that I have watched or rewatched is I've been rewatched.

watching Fisk. Did we ever talk about Fisk? Or have either of you watched it? No, I've not even heard of this. Fisk with a K. Fisk with a K. It's like it's an Australian sitcom about this woman who's a lawyer who ends up going to work in like quite a crappy lawyer's office. And it's just like her day to day life of dealing with people who are like doing their mother's will and they're like clearing out the house. Everyone's like arguing. It's just very silly and it's very funny. It's kind of got a similar temperament to like Colin from Accounts, but maybe that's just they're both Australian. Colin from Accounts, by the way, you, I think, one of you learned to me this is coming back for a final series. I was thinking about the other day. I was like,

I can't believe it's over. Where did that show go? I loved it so much. It's kind of come back. I don't have the details yet, but one of you do. It's not long, is it? It's not long. Also, one of my favorite things was, obviously, Colin from Accounts, was in the double words Prada too. And his wife was like live Instagramming reels that was so funny. Where like Anne Hathaway. What is his name? I don't know. I want to say, She's called Harriet. So he would be like, Anne would be like, he's just the best guy. And then he'd like, she's the most, like, she's my favorite woman I've ever met.

And then his wife was just like stitching her sitting at home, like watching these interviews. That was really funny. So that kept me in their consciousness. But yes, they are, should I get up when they're back? No, I can't be able to do that. My dog. Yeah. Listen, we've got enough going on with Dolly.

Oh my God. Next week, to remind me at some point in the future, I want to rant about how much I hated Devil West Bratter to. But I can't do it today. It's only love today. Oh. Did we talk about it? We did. I think Beth, maybe you weren't there for that one for some reason.

I feel like I remember me and Anoni did. I can't remember what I thought now. Maybe rewatch, rewatch. It's dreadful. You know what? I actually think Australian shows are where it's at. There's quite a few that have been quite good. But I definitely need to catch up on Colin from accounts.

That is my big serial crime of this year. I need to get to grips with that. Did you never get into it? So I watched one episode and it was just one of those cases where for no reason, I just forgot to keep going with it. I think maybe something else came back around the same time, so I just jumped onto that. That is the only reason.

I seem to remember being quite depressed when I watched it, so I think I watched sort of all of it in one go, in a depression hole. I feel like I did as well. Maybe we synced up our depression, like, you know you do with your cycle. Wouldn't be the first time. Oh, dear. Can I do one more flag for an only? Have you seen that your beloved Stamptown is on Netflix as of,

yesterday, as of Tuesday this week. Is it? For anyone that doesn't know, Stamp Town, and I think our producer will probably be going, yes, yes, yes. Producer, she got us into, she got us into Stamptown. It's a long-running late-night comedy variety show hosted by and created by comedian Zach Zucker,

who is a kind of like the, like he's in the clowning world, I think, but he's sort of like the anti-clown clown. Anyway, it has been performed all over the place. We saw it, and Only and I and Fay saw it in London, saw it in Soho, but they did a, a special taped recording of it in LA. I've not watched it yet, but it's been a couple of years since we watched it in Soho and finally, Routura.

You can watch her. Finally, my time. I went again, was it last year? Did you? I took Poppy. Yeah. And it was so, it was even, I think it was even better because it's slightly different every time.

Yeah. It's kind of like a variety show, but it's really rude. It's completely immersive. You feel like you're losing a mind. And I wasn't on drugs, but it kind of makes you feel like you are on some kind of. You weren't drinking either. Was I not? When we went together, I think you were stone cold sober. It was actually when we were with a former production company and Anoni and I were like, wow, it's like being on drugs. And they're like, well, you can't say that. And we were like, what?

Oh, yeah. It does feel like that. I think at one point a man, did he inflate his penis or set fire to his penis? Did he happen? Something happened with a penis. There was definitely penises on stage, but were we not questioning whether or not they were real or they were sort of like, you know, like a magic mic. they sometimes use prosthetic penises, I think. So it could have been that. There was nudity, there was profanity, there was making out. That is actually quite close to having an exorcism, that experience, because you're kind of jumping out your seat. Oh, it's fantastic.

So there we go. And wonder what it would be like on Netflix, because I think the immersiveness of it is. Well, you can't watch it because you haven't got a tell. Because you live like a men on now. I can watch on my laptop. I just watch it on medium screen. All right. Well, there we go.

Listeners, if you just want to lose your mind and your marbles, please do. watch Stamptown on Netflix. And Ruchero, you have to. I will. So there has been a lot falling into the weird, wonderful and hot categories of pop culture lately. And I wanted to take a trip down bonkers alley

to discuss, or to really ask the question, philosophical question, when does a shoe stop being a shoe and simply become a jock strap for your heel? I'm hoping that you two and everyone listening has seen the Chanel shoes that I'm referring to, that Margaret Qualleywater, the Dog Stars premiere over the weekend, these so-called barefoot sandals, basically a frontless shoe.

I've seen it. I hate it. I agree. It's very much, thanks. I hate it. It's deeply upset. I just, I can't. This is, is this trolling? I don't know. But there's been a lot going on in the shoe world and I actually felt really conflicted. Did you see that, was it Havana's brought up the heeled? It's like it's sort of like half a crock. Do you know the ones I'm talking about. Was it how Viannas that did that? I don't. I'm going to have a look right now. Basically, I actually went, all that looks quite cool. And then I read all the comments, everyone was like, this is disgusting. I was like, okay, take it back. Vogue has got one toe sort of

tucked away? It's got one toe, yes. The shoe of the summer just hit its peak in Copenhagen. Vogue did and they are, oh my God, they look not orthopedic, but they do, they look like you've had surgery. You're so right, because do you remember the New Balance Loafers? I feel like people are really trolling with shoes and they are trying to provoke us and also those finger shoes the like the individual toe running shoes exactly my friend wore them to the gym the other day and she was like do you like them and I was like I hate them I hate them so much and she was like just try them on and I was like I can't I can't go near them they scare me something about them scares me I also feel like it's really weirdly intimate but like who's got the time to slot each individual toe into a bit of material

but then again they are meant to be really good for before I think they are meant to be quite good for your feet I don't think you're meant to wear them in the gym, aren't? You meant to wear them when you run? I don't know. Or maybe both, actually. Oh, it feels like we're in a foot guy's world right now. Maybe that is what it is. There's so many weird things going on with fee.

I feel like Quentin Tarantino is just behind the scenes going, yeah, yeah. Take the whole front off. I was ready to get behind the Havana's until I went in the comments. Everyone was like, these are not right. So I was like, but then the Chanel ones tip me. I was like, well, no, this is just stupid now. Because your whole foot, you could be getting all sorts of feet. Glass.

The reason we have shoes is because we've kind of fucked our feet by not letting them evolve into sort of like callousy things that we can use. We have to wear, we need, we have to wear shoes now. I don't love wearing shoes. I'm not barefoot person. Like I know people who are barefoot in the city. I'm not barefoot in the city, but like it's just the way I'm out and about in London. No, but on grass on the beach, on stones even, I much prefer.

Maybe these shoes are, I don't know, I don't hate them. I think that don't hate them. So I feel this is a shame that we're not going to be putting a pre-order in for three. And I think they're only like 2K. Oh, lovely. Yeah, well, so cheap, a bargain. I think it takes a powerful woman to wear this. And I do think Margaret Qualley was the woman for this.

It's the shoe of many interpretations, the coat of many colors. After she got out of her ride, after she came back home, you know her feet are dusty as fuck. They will be sooty. That's not a shoe. Well, confession actually after Annie Lord's book launch, I wore these green heels. I've not worn for years. And then when I was wearing them, I remembered why. And when I got back to the station near my house, it's like an eight-minute walk.

And I thought, fuck it. I just took my shoes off. And I ran. Beth, we're just like, what I used to do at uni? And then I got home and I looked at my feet and they were filthy. Like you've never seen. And I had to be in the shower for age of scrubbing them all. These London streets, they're not going to be that clean.

What I would love actually is separately. I want to get those foldable. One of my friends always has foldable ballet shoes. in a handbag, which is so clever. What? That is crazy. So you just get them out, you pop your heels in your bag, but my bag's always too small. I feel like the cheaper the ballet pumps are, the more you can just break the back and, you know, squash them in.

Yeah, I probably could just fold. They're not foldable, but I could definitely fold them. You're just DIY contorting them into origami in your bag. Exactly. I really need to speak my truth about something because I am kind of sick, a kind of chic, and I wanted to know if you are. I actually did post the other day. It did flop, so none of you might have seen it.

But I just said, look, let's wrap this up by the end of the day because every time I was logging on to Instagram, it was actually quite good. It was actually like a deterrent because everyone was just posting things being kind of chic. I put up a picture of a theosaurus with the word chic, just giving examples. That is funny. Because I think it's proliferated so far. And actually, Natalie Hammond for Mary Claire wrote a piece called,

is kind of chic, kind of cringe. Everyone's favorite fashion word just went completely out of fashion. And I think what's so. annoying about the internet is like once a trend goes too far, that's weirdly when it performs really well and then it just eats the whole of the internet up. And I just wonder how long is this going to go on for because it is actually making me log off. It's sad. Yeah, Sheik is one of those words which I actually really like using all the time. And it's like, I'm not like, oh, they've ruined the word. I can never use it again. I don't care that much and I'm not that

bothered about what people think about me. But it is just a bit like, leave that word alone. It's a nice word. Now it does feel redundant. Like what does it even mean anymore? And that's what I hate and not to bring Dolly up yet again, but she was queen of literacy. We need to stop bastardising words. We need to stop saying so-and-so was casted in a film. We need, we'll get on to this. We need to stop saying that things are whimsy. It's my worst.

Casted. We need to stop using essay to mean sexual assault. We need to stop bastardising and diminishing the language that we speak. And I actually think it is that deep. I know. Segs instead of sex. I mean, we are unalive instead of kids. I mean, we are all adults.

we have to we have to push back against this obviously trends do make up social media and meme sounds it's it's about replication but the replication saturation the amount the spread that these these things have when it is someone misusing a word this sort of like it's this scramble to participate in every single thing that I go I've seen if I've seen it once on this kind of chic trend I've basically seen it a hundred times they only there were a few interesting commentary posts on it like yours and only that you go oh well that is something different but everything else is just the same thing. Kind of sheet to go to the farmer's market.

Okay, maybe it is, but that's boring to me. I agree on the bastardization of words. And also, like, the sex thing is really annoying, but I think people do it because those words get, what's the word censored. This is what I hear, but can I push back a little bit on one? Yeah. I think there is a bit of myth-making on TikTok especially about the,

the far-reaching element of how far-reaching these things actually are. And also, I hear people say it on podcasts. I hear adult women sit on podcasts. Joe McNally, love. Me too. She will say essay and things. You go, the TikTok sensors aren't in here now. Fine, it makes sense if you are trying to get around these things and spread your message.

But a certain point, you are just suppressing language. I put on my substack CSA because I was worried that maybe people who didn't want to read that wouldn't even want to read it written. But the funniest thing I've seen with essay was someone writing about essay meaning sexual assault and someone in the comments misreading it as sales associate because that's what people call. people who have like a sales associate um as called them that essay so it turned into this really long confusing conversation between this commenter and the creator of the post who is being like what are you talking about so maybe that is where we do need to be careful and south asian as well essay is very commonly south asian or south asia so yeah i mean in a certain sentence you could have multiple confusing conversations going on you've got to say what we mean i was reading um the guardian

in fashion newsletter published a piece about this by Chloe McDonald's, sorry, called A Long Hot Summer of CopyPaste on Social Media, Why Everything is Kind of Sheek Now. The latest craze on Instagram reveals how quickly personal expression can be absorbed into homogenized feed and exploited by brands. And she was saying that searches of the term are up by 5,000 percent according to Google Trends, and the hashtag has, you know, 60,000 posts on Instagram. And then she basically quotes a Berlin-based fashion editor and influencer called Brenda Weisha, who calls it template slop, which I think it's actually very where we are at.

Like the content is just the same content again and again and again and again. And it's just such a narrow way to express something interesting. And obviously these sites are reward that people probably don't want to be doing it, but to play the game they have to. Well, I think about memes on Twitter and how the format of language, these kind of a format of a sentence or a kind of trope. The point was the best ones that would rise to the top and would go viral after that had already caught on was somebody doing it in a really clever, sophisticated way or like

adapting it, tinkering with it. Do you remember the meme that was like, his silence is deafening? And then I remember somebody basically, it was just in relation to Jeremy Corbyn, constantly get him ranged by journalists saying his silence on X is deafening, His silence about X is deafening. The top tweets after that had already become a trope were the ones that were like actively responding to politics and making it relevant, fresh, funny, constantly contemporary.

I think with these kind of trends, there's just none of that really happening, apart from yours and only like that actually made me laugh when you said that because that is funny. I just feel like so much of it exactly is copy paste insert upload. The thing is it's all getting cannibalized. I keep getting videos now of people making videos about people making these kind of videos commenting on things.

we've gone so far that yes there is this like problem with language kind of being bastardized but we've also created a language around the way that we use the language like the online is actually a different world it's like a completely different space if you try to speak to someone like your parents and in the way that we could quite fluently discuss online conversations trends and things it doesn't really make any sense at all I mean it is fascinating I'm excited for all of the what are they probably like 12 year olds now that go on to do that like PhD thesis on what we as a group of people did to the English language by the point that they're like growing up to be quite funny.

Can we discuss the whimsy bedazzled trends, which seems to be a Kylie Jenner origin trend. I don't really fully understand it, but it's basically bedazzling your shit to make it more quote unquote whimsy, which whimsy is a noun and it is not an adjective. But I don't know whether people understand them is using it or it's something that I just don't understand but it's really got my my backup i don't know why i feel really in my hater mode talking about this oh are you not whimsy maxing then apparently not but but it's like you know the pov thing that was just completely wrong but then eventually everyone just gave in because it was like point of view but then they would use point of view completely wrong and i remember being so frustrated by it and then just one day

i woke up and i thought that's what that means now someone i know personally text me about something and said and they casted and I thought oh much but I didn't say anything because I just but I was like this is so this has gone too far me desperately looking through my messages being like could I use casted fun it wasn't you it wasn't here it wasn't either of you my grammar and my english is awful so with the whimsy maxing I agree it's it's ridiculous and I saw a really good post by capsule and I really recommend people follow them they are this newsletter pop culture Instagram account run by a very smart woman who has very good takes on things she spoke about the bedazzling trend and she made a point that I've heard other people talk about,

which is all of our trends now are basically pushed in relation to a marketing item. Kylie Jenner jumped on this bedazzled trend, which was already a thing on TikTok, whimsy maxing, as I said, hashtag is a real thing. I didn't make that word up. She pushed it and is very clearly coming out with a launch of makeup that is tied to it. And it's like we can't enjoy things without a product being the face of something anymore. So something like the girlhood trend, all that kind of became about was bows, clips, like, cutesy things and it became about items. Matcha. Matcha has, like, dominated for the last 20 years. It feels like there's only been two years. And it's constantly about, like, this new product that Jenkey has out, this new drink that, I don't know, Blank Street has out.

How do we evolve it? LeBooos, all of these things. It's constantly a product at the center of our viral trends. it's no longer a funny video just because somebody's doing something for a laugh or a silly thing, it always becomes a marketing item or a marketing push and an item-centric thing. And I do think the bedazat, the bedazzal, oh my God, but dezal la la la la. The badazale is a really fun thing and I think it's really cute, but it is being co-opted before our eyes from another billionaire. And that is just kind of the trend of all of these things.

It's so funny because when you first said it rich, I literally had no idea. we were talking about and I come to ask you questions and then one day my phone was obviously paying attention to the amount of times I was writing whimsy into the Google Doc and suddenly my whole explore feed was just women sticking gems over the whole bodies sticking gems on top of the face masks that they were doing that is what the whimsy thing is isn't it yeah yeah like it is kind of cute there's something I think the little girl inside me will always love stickers and gems and beads like when I'm with my four-year-old niece and she has this sticker book where you stick on outfits I am also having a great time doing that but I think

that we are too quick to get so invested in any kind of throwaway plastic that I just can't. It's also not whimsical. Because whimsical is sort of like doing something in the moment and you're making a silly decision. It's not ordering 8,000 gems off Amazon, putting your phone up to record yourself, sticking them really precisely all over your body. That's kind of, it's almost sort of not, it's the opposite, no? Intention maxing.

It's, yeah, it's very performative. And again, performative maxing, what was even that word mean anymore? But yeah, for some reason, it's really got my backup and maybe it is the single-use plastic that you mentioned. But it's just the idea of the kind of glitter and glam and doing these things is so fun. When we have a family party at my parents every couple of years, there's always stuff like that for the kids. And the adults, of course, they get involved in it. It's so fun. But it isn't for, it isn't because King Kylie told me to do it. And it isn't, I just think that there is something that is. isn't actually very nice or very whimsical or very enjoyable about it. It is just more content slot for the machine, for the beast. And I just were slowly losing sight of the real thing on the internet, which is everything is less interesting the more people defer their creativity to trends and other things. And especially also when you do these things and you do it for not the plot or for the moment itself, but for the content. I don't, something about it is a little bit flat.

I can't remember, I'll have to find it, not link it in the show notes, but there's a really good sort of, I think it's like journal, it's sort of people just sharing their ideas on like modern social media and like marketing and stuff. And it's talking about how the problem with creators or the problem with the way that social media works now is if you do get rewarded from doing the same thing as everyone else, which is so nonsensical. It just doesn't make sense. For instance, I have now finally started putting yellow text on top of my pictures just because why not? And everyone sees them. And it's so irritating to me that it works because I think that is just like the opposite of what should happen. So everyone unfortunately kind of has to do,

doesn't have to, but in order to like win the game. And so you're not getting rewarded for being innovative unless you're the person that keeps inventing like the kind of chic, the yellow tax, whatever it is till it takes off. It's homonialising. It's like damaging creativity. And it's just kind of we're getting stuck in a bind with these things. I find it very fascinating how willing we are. Because I don't willingly participate. I only kind of do it because it's my work. And I feel like you guys probably feel the same way where when a trend, goes off, it starts giving me the it. I always find it how interesting, how much joy people seem to get, or is everyone as cynical as us and they're just doing it for the engagement? I never really know.

Yeah, it's a good question. I don't know. I put a little bit of yellow text on something on TikTok and I got a message to someone saying it's just dreadful for the contrast of it is so difficult for people that can't see very well. So if you're going to use yellow, if people could just put a little outline, a little black outline, apparently that makes it a lot easier. Then it becomes like white, but I didn't know this. I can read it quite easily, but apparently some people can't because of visibility. So if you put a little outline on it, apparently that, or a little shadow. So I also have something that I want to bring to the table, if you don't mind. Mark Jacobs is my bizarre edition of the week because when asked if he would style Luigi Mangione for his upcoming

New York State murder trial, Jacob said, quote, yes. In all fairness, pardon the pun, it was for Vanity Fair's lie detector test. And actually quite a few major celebrities have worn him in the courtroom. I don't know if you know, Winona Ryder, Little Kim and Courtney Love. And Mark Jacobs said, quote, I think he looks pretty good the way he dresses, actually. And then he agreed with the suggestion that Mangione is a trendsetter, which caused quite a stir. Did either of you see this? I still do see so many updates from Louis Vu's found on X.

I think he, and so I did see this. I don't know why. I don't seek this out. I don't follow these accounts. but I guess some part of the algorithm is like leftist internet user. It's making an educated guess. So I did see this on X and I thought it was reported in a way that suggested that Mark Jacobs was like, I'm going to dress this man and came out and said.

So I was a little bit disappointed in the context. But I think it's so interesting. Then I went looking and I was like, is there a precedent here of designers apart from Mark Jacobs dressing celebrities for the courtroom? I mean, there is obviously a Winona Ryder. But then Goop woman, who I don't want to name, I think she dressed. herself for her infamous ski trial. But it's just interesting. It feels like such a, like their eyes of the world are on you.

If you're a designer, it's really, it's a risk because of the reputational damage, potentially addressing someone who's found guilty or public opinion suways. I just think it was so photographed. Those courtroom, I remember Cardi B coming in and out of the courtroom, she was so photographed. It feels like a massive opportunity. Courtroom fashion is such an interesting niche in celeb news, celebrity, celebrity, whatever. And I feel like an only you will also love this part of celebrity a lot. I just feel like historically remembering when Lindsay Lohan, for example, was in court,

all of the kind of young women getting DUIs, their fashion was scrutinized so much. And it was so dissected and it became such a new story in and of itself. It's such an interesting pillar of that side of post. pop culture. What is that that guy that always treats horrible things, Ollie, is it Ollie London? Ollie London. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, I can't believe, like, he was really popping off. And also, I think the way that I untouched it was I thought that Mark Jacobs had just like, a prop of nothing to be like, I'm going to dress this young hearty for his trial. It was an alleged test. So yes, people have got really crossed. There's been quite a lot of articles from people being like, I can't believe he said this. He's basically just like validating, you know, Manjani's actions. He's not thinking he at all about the victim. putting that aside, courtroom fashion. First of all, my first thought was the Wagatha Christie

trial. I remember getting so excited to look at the pictures of what Colleen was wearing every time she went in. We obviously discussed Kim Kardashian when she did her famous trial about Paris robbing and her really thinking about whether or not she should wear. Obviously, she didn't do anything criminal in that instance, but it was just interesting the way she was talking about, would she be believed as a woman if she was wearing? Or would people feel sorry for her that she had been robbed if she went in and all her diamonds or wore like sexy outfits and I think that even Anna Delvey now I'm thinking about like ankle tag dressing there is it is a really interesting marriage between fashion and like kind of especially high profile criminality what was what's a face who wore

some designer gown to do community service who am I thinking of very famous model I don't know this Naomi Campbell. That was I remember kind of like, there is definitely a relationship between chic criminality and yeah, if you know it's going to get that visibility, I think it's an incredible opportunity to be tied to this kind of like, because we treat everything like a soap opera anyway,

you might as well just feature your, the courtroom looks like a runway look. One thing I have to say though is I, as much I love fashion, I love people that get styled really well and I love how law wrote stresses Zendaya and I love when Margot Robbie does a really good press tool. I also really miss the days of people just turning up to things where they'd done their own makeup, they'd pick their own

outfits and there wasn't this level of curation. I just think so it is interesting that there is this question of like would this guy who's ostensibly only famous because of the alleged crimes he's committed be dressed by this really famous designer is quite a funny, obviously not funny in some people's minds, but it is an interesting dichotomy. Yeah, funny, strange. From one infamous murder case to another, I have been really wanting to discuss Amanda Knox and her Edinburgh Fringe show in case. In case, you need a reminder of the case. So in 2007, Amanda Knox and Meredith Kircher were exchange students. And Amanda was studying at the University of Washington and Meredith was studying at Leeds University. And they both ended up moving in to a villa together. in Perugia, Italy, in September with two Italian roommates. On the 2nd of November 2007, Meredith's body was discovered locked inside her room.

She had suffered multiple fatal stab wounds. Amanda and her Italian boyfriend, Rafael Solicito, who she had met only a week before, became the focus of the police investigation and the media reporting. On the 5th of November, Rafaeli was questioned and Amanda went with him. They were interrogated separately overnight and Rafaeli, eventually admitted that he wasn't 100% on Amanda's alibi for the night of the murder. Amanda was then questioned overnight for roughly 14 hours without a lawyer, food or a competent interpreter. In the early hours on the 6th of November, she signed two statements written up by police,

claiming that she had heard her boss, bar owner Patrick Lumamber, kill Meredith in her bedroom. Police arrested Lambe, Amanda and Rafael, that morning. Patrick Lamber was then released two weeks later after multiple people, came forward to testify for his alibi that he was serving drinks at his pub at the exact time Meredith Kircher was killed. Amanda and Rafaeli remained in their maximum security prisons under pretrial detention. They stayed there for four years during the investigation, despite the fact that the day before Lumamba was released, forensic results identified Rudy Gwade's DNA, bloodstained fingerprints and palm prints were directly at the crime scene and on the victim's

body. A year later in October 2008, Gwadee was convicted of murder in a fast-track trial. In January 2009, Amanda and Raphaelie's murder trial began, with the prosecution's theory being that all three individuals killed Meredith's together. The following December, a jury found the pair guilty two. Amanda was sentenced to 26 years and Raphaelie 25. There was no credible evidence against them, but the Italian prosecution had found a knife at Rafael's flat and said it had Amanda's DNA on the handle and Meredith's on the blade. Lacer, forensic experts, proved the knife didn't match. the wounds and the DNA was actually a result of lab contamination by police officers.

In October 2011, once this evidence was dismissed, Amanda and Rafael's convictions were overturned and she went back home to Seattle. However, over the next four years, Italian prosecutors appealed their acquittal and reconvicted them in 2014. In March 2015, Italy's highest Supreme Court cited lack of biological evidence and flaws in the investigation and exonerated Amanda and Raphaelie of murder. she was permanently convicted of criminal slander for her allegations against Patrick Lumamba. This was undoubtedly one of the most infamous trials of our lifetimes. Amanda was interrogated that over 50 hours over the course of five days before she was treated as a suspect,

a lot of her time in police custody and how she behaved was heavily scrutinised with both the public and police viewing her as cold, callous and disrespectful. They alleged she cartwilled inside the waiting room and that she was openly affectionate with Raphaelie in the police station. many people also felt that she did not display appropriate grief or emotions. Amanda was undoubtedly one of the most hated women in recent history and the press even dubbed her Foxy Noxie, which kind of cemented her as a hyper-sexual villainous murderer in the eyes of the public. But now she's 39 years old, she's a mother of two,

and her debut fringe One Women's show ran for 10 days in August, finishing last week on the 17th. every single performance sold out, despite backlash including tens of thousands of signatures on a petition and condemnation from Meredith Kircher's family. Amanda called the show Cartwheel. In a piece titled Amanda Knox has turned her trauma into comedy, but should she, Atega O'Wapagher for Grazie writes, her latest media endeavour raises a thorny question. To what extent does a person have the moral right to turn their experience into art or comedy or even financial gain?

If that experience also involves other parties who's suffering outstripped theirs as Kirch's families surely does Knoxes. What moral obligations does she have? And who owns a story like this, given Knox, was also a victim? I have so many thoughts on this, but I wonder if we're aligned. And how would you respond or answer a Tegger's question? So I don't think that you can say yes or no. Sorry, it's always the like 50 Shades of Gray thing. But I think in this instance, I think she has a right to do this show. And I really, even some of those details reading them out, I forgot how long this case took over this woman's life. And I do think she has been horrendously traumatized. I think half of her life has been taken over by this one situation. I think if it was anything less than that, it would be slightly less clear cut. I have immense.

empathy for Meredith's family. This is awful, but I also hearing what Amanda Knox has gone through. It's so hard to justify the idea that she can't speak about her story or do a tasteful, if tasteful, show about what she experienced. And my understanding, I've not seen the show. I read an independent article talking about people's reviews of it. They have said that she was very respectful, very tasteful. It's not really a comedy at all. It's actually just an exploration of what she went through and her inability to even grieve Meredith because as soon as that happened, she had to go straight into defending herself mode for years and years and years. So my take, and I understand it might be really polarising, is that what do you guys think? I think it matters very much that

it's not a comedy and that the reviews are in. The debate here seems to be whether she has a right to tell her story on any size stage, which I think is the wrong debate to have if something happens to you, I think you are allowed to discuss that and share that and process that and make that into art. Then when that is released, then you can, then people can credit it or discredit it or criticise it. I think I've really sat with this one because I've said so vehemently in the past how we feel about true crime and especially about making shows or podcasts or films about crimes where the victim families are still alive and they're not consulted and all of the above. And I was like, does this, if I say that's wrong and then I say that this is okay, does that

align? Is that consistent? I all, I just, I come down on the side that Amanda Knox does have a right to tell her story and what happened and then also take the, the criticisms and, and that's up to her. I do, I think it matters that this is at the Edinburgh fringe. It was a limited run. It was not, to my knowledge, not broadcast elsewhere. Both of them went through a tragedy. And I'm seeing people treat it almost like Team Knox, Team Kircher. And actually, it sounds like what the vibe of her show is that both women, two women went through something awful because they were women to some degree. Amanda deciding she can tell her story doesn't need to step on the wishes necessarily of Meredith of Carcher's family, which are that she is unstuck from this tragedy that she is allowed to rest.

Like I do think every time I hear about everything I learn about Meredith's Furcher does break my heart. And there's been this endless media attention, remakings, documentary, social media. Like her sister, her, I think both of her parents died very close together a couple of years ago. Feels like it is tragedy after tragedy. And I do think they do have a right to peace. The people that can give them that mostly are the documentary makers, the part of the part podcasters. There perhaps is one person who it's much more difficult to say put this down. And that's the other person that as a result of what happened had much of her life blighted

and will forever have a notoriety, which are we really going to say you are saddled with this? You don't get to decide what to say. Very tough. Bit like you were, I kind of, my immediate response was I just felt so sure that I felt that it was okay for her to talk about this experience. And again, that's why, like, when you remember the case, I remember it so clearly. And it's so interesting how many people to this day still believe that she's guilty, people that I know, I've kind of had conversations and that I, oh, I 100% think she did it. Like, she is so, I'm kind of, like, amazed that she's managed to live, sort of like a semi-normal life that she's like a mother and she's had kids. And

on the Edinburgh fringe, like, kind of description of the show, it talks about, like, her daughter is asking the question of, like, mom, what happened when you went to? Italy and she's contending with like what can I say to my child. And I think it is really complicated. I think the true element is really interesting that you bring in Beth because that is true. Like that does make me feel icky as well. But I guess this is a woman who has experienced kind of such a singular experience where not only was she kind of vilified for not being in the eyes of the public. And especially like from everything I've read, it was a very sort of like Italian specific sentiment, this idea that this American woman does not present to us in a way.

way that we perceived to be innocent and then everyone just kind of snowballed from that. I really wonder if in this current era of perhaps understanding how people respond to shock or like experience with whether or not we would like chastise, I bet probably the press still would. But I don't know. I kind of agree with you, Ritra where it's like when this thing has happened for so long and it shaped so much of your life and she can never escape being Amanda Knox, I kind of feel like she maybe does have a right. So many people have profited, so many newspapers,

so many journalists have told her story time and time again, have used her name as a means to sell and make money. And I think if she is being respectful, I think that is, she's just as implicated. And it is absolutely devastating and awful what happened to Meredith Kircher. It's one of the saddest stories,

and I just can remember it so clearly. But I also think, even though this was so much of the publicity at the time, they were like she obviously isn't very upset. I guess we don't know how much that grief of that impact to that experience. She not only experienced the death of the murder of her friend firsthand, she was then also accused of it, imprisoned for it, vitified for it for years.

And I think, yeah, she should be allowed to make a show about that, even if it is comedy. That's, I'm sticking my flag in the ground. Just on your point about the amount of policing that was done socially, not actual policing, the way we monitored and dissected her behavior. I listened to a podcast a little bit fruity that was talking about the Amber Heard trial. This was, I think, maybe last year or something.

And they had somebody on and they were talking about when we start monitoring people's behavior, such as what happened in the Amber Heard trial as well, it is so damaging socially and has such large ramifications on different kinds of people, different kinds of behavior, that kind of expectation, morality, social conditioning, social policing of each other starts to seep down and we start to look at each other with suspicion, paranoia, like, that's not how I behave, that's not the right way to do this, that's, what does that mean? Especially when it comes to, you know, neurodiversity, all these different kinds of fish that we are, it's just such a violent way to treat each other, especially in a situation which is so

incomprehensible, such as being involved when you are a student in a murder trial on this trip that you took to Italy. The gender element is so real, which has been dissected. A million times, Foxy Noxy, it's all very femme fatale. I mean, the fact that the whole cartwell was that she, she says, she was doing yoga poses, she had been sitting, she'd been doing these things, she was stretching. I think had a man, you know, wanted to lift weights or been shadow, you know, I think there would be a different, you know, a man doing press-ups. well probably he is very stressed and that's something that he's doing. Similarly they said oh my gosh she went she went to my pants she had run out of underwear because she wouldn't go in her home it was a crime scene. It's so these things I think are just infuriating and many people maybe aren't hip to the factor won't admit that their view on this is colored by the sexism of the reporting in the 2000s where it was just okay to all of these things to say oh my gosh she's got blue eyes she did it utterly ridiculous. One thing I went back and read was a New York Times piece from 2021, where it kind of outlines the fact that she never wanted this fame. She is saddled with us for the rest of her life. It's titled Amanda Knox was exonerated. That doesn't mean she's free. And it's basically, she's in a bind where she tells a story or she doesn't, but this is attached to her forever, wherever she goes. She's very, I mean, she looks very similar. She is, she's obviously in her, I assume, late 30s now. But she looks as she did. She is, she has lent in. to the visibility, but I don't think she had another choice, especially Joa McNeely made this point on her podcast. What is she going to do? Like, you can't go and have a normal life. You can't

go and pursue a normal job. This follows you forever. And that, I think, is central to this debate, the question of what is she allowed to make from what was forced on her. It is something terrible happens to you. You have to do something with it. And then I think to then police that. But then there's a question of what is Meredith owed, what is her family owed? Where does she fit into this? because she is, of course, the silent part of this story. She also never wanted her image to be this sort of voiceless murdered women. And she is often sidelined. But unfortunately, if we say that for Amanda Knox to tell her story,

she is automatically disrespecting the memory. She's stuck. She really is stuck there. I think whether the show is a comedy or not, I think it's very clear when someone is mocking someone else, when something is in poor taste, all the reviews I read say that this is not. the case here. And I think that's the important thing. It is tricky when you frame it like that,

but I think that we don't gain anything in saying that Amanda can't exist in her own truth in order to like protect Meredith because what good is that? She's the one who is alive. It's kind of like it's such a tricky way to tread. But yeah, it doesn't, from everything that I've read, it does not sound like she is in any way using Meredith's awful murder as, content for want of a better word. She's talking about the experience of everything that she went through after that. And I thought Janne McNally's point was such good points. Obviously, this is so singular.

But every comedian you speak to, and so many comedians say this on their podcast, there'll be like this awful thing. Richard Herring says this. He's like, I got cancer and the first thing I thought was all great, that's a show. Like people do use trauma to turn it into comedy. It's like when a bad thing happens, a lot of people do look to that. And also, it's not, she did. didn't do that. It's been a really long time and I wonder if part of her thought process was around it was like maybe it has been long enough that I can now revisit it and and we'll see. Maybe she will go on and that'll be like her springboard to get into a career of this kind of things. Like Joanne said, what else is she supposed to do? Like she can hardly be a teacher. People really do still believe that she's guilty. So maybe she will write a new show and it won't be anything about this and she'll become, you know, a name in comedy rather than a name in crime.

Watch this space. Meg's It is over and Meg's In. That's right. Megan and Harry are making a royal return to the UK. According to the BBC, Prince Harry and Megan visited the King at High Grove in July with their children, Prince Archie and Princess Lillibut,

and spent time with the family of Harry's late mother Diana, Princess of Wales. It's thought the visit was significant in driving their decision to move back. It was also the king's first time seeing his grandchildren in over four years. It has been a very long old while since we discussed the Royals, isn't it, girls? It's sort of like Harry and Megan, here come again.

In an interview with the BBC last year, Harry said, I don't know how much longer my father has, you know. He won't speak to me because of the security stuff, but it would be nice to reconcile, going on to say, if they don't want that, that's entirely up to them. But now it's reported their kids are enrolled in UK schools starting from September, and Megan will be carrying on her brand, as ever, over here, and Harry will focus on UK charity work.

ABC News reported that Charles was informed about the move on Sunday the 16th of August, which was only a few days before it was first reported by the Telegraph. Harry has previously been reported to visit Charles throughout the time since he's had his cancer diagnosis in 2024. But it has been a couple of years since William and Harry, to anyone's knowledge, have seen each other at all. A recent UGov poll taken the day after the move was announced asked, how much, if at all, do you care about the news that Prince Harry and Megan, Duchess of Sussex, are moving back to the UK? And 60% of people surveyed said, not at all, with only 3% saying a great deal, and 7% saying a fair amount, which feels so contradictory to the media circus that follows the pair around,

especially Megan. So I have just been observing the newspapers in my local news agents since the news was announced, And I kid you not, I swear, nearly every single day the front page has been a picture of Megan. And it is so wild to me, especially after we've just been talking so recently about media behavior, tabloid behavior. It just is so wild. I know lots of people are linking the treatment of Megan to the recent tragedy of Jason Arde. And it's just so absurd. My main takeaway is, why does anyone give a... about what they do at this point. I think my main take is if you like her, good for you. If you

don't like her, I think your most egregious opinion about her should be good for her, whatever she does. Okay. Anything more than that, I find so absurd and frankly, veering, flirting, merging with racism. Oh, no doubt. I can't believe we're talking about them again. I can't believe they're coming back. I really want to know what, I want to know what they're going to do when they're over here. I do think that already the stories about her, like the ones, she got cast in the gentleman. No, she didn't. She got fired. Even though that, and then they came out and said that it's not true. Everything is like fueled to the flame of the general public being able to go, oh my God, she's failing. And maybe not the general public, but a very specific royalist general public who are so

raw, they're full of them. And I just hope that people are wise enough to see these news stories and go, okay, there's something fishy about that with the timing. Maybe this time I'm not going to fall for it. I don't know. I just, it feels naive to think that the would have forgotten and forgiven, like the misery in this country towards those two, got to remember, our national pastime is holding grudges and being miserable. I'm sure they don't think that everything is going to work out just fine. But, oh, I do feel a bit nervous. I'm a bit, I don't know, I am a little bit like they escaped.

They got over to the US. She was making her jams. Their besties with kind of Hollywood elite. And now they're coming back to this crab bucket island. They kind of made it to like happier times, blue a pastures, better times for them and their kids. And now it's like, you're coming back here? Why?

Well, one of the rumours is that if you've been out of the UK, is it for five or six years, then you become non-domiciles. So then you could go to like the Bahamas for a couple of weeks, put 10 million in a bank, and then you can take it out in the UK and your tax fee. I might have completely, I don't know how much. That is one that I know. We've just got to make 10 million.

So that's one of the things floating around people like, Is it like tax evasion? But I was buzzing about the gentleman rumours because I was a massive suits fan and I loved Megan in suits and I think she can act. And I think it would be really fun for her to be in the gentleman.

I feel like there's so many little, it would even be fun if she was like a print, like kind of royalty in the show. I think that she should be able to go back into acting. Obviously people were outraged by this even though they're technically like not royalty anymore but she's also not allowed to act. Like what do you want?

What do you want her to do? And I've listened to so many people make the same point. But the bind that they're both in is the only time that anyone really cares about them is when they're talking about themselves, like sharing their own stories. And they've tried to carve different careers in lots of different ways. And just no one pays attention unless it is like their Netflix show, which was about them, Harry's books fair. So I do think that they are, again, in like a uniquely not to compare them to Amanda not as what I'm going to. Weirdly, kind of similarity thing there, it's like, what else can they do?

Like it's kind of you've been casted as a royal. Imagine them on Salipsy Big Brother because they're coming back. I feel like just in time. I mean, I'm thinking about it and that would make me watch. I think that could be the biggest news story to drop that would make me just lose it, absolutely lose it if that was announced. I obviously do not think that's going to happen though. They should have a reunion. Someone should make a show.

Oh my God, like Love is Blind, but it's how. Harry and William behind a wall. And their voices are distorted and they don't know they're talking to each other. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, either that or an Andy Cohen very famous housewives for union. Oh, my, that's a much better idea. But with Catherine Ryan, because I way preferred her reunion. Oh, controversial.

We'll argue about that another time. But yeah, them shouting at each other and I think getting to somewhere by the end of an hour with him, I can see that working. I have to say, I'm excited to see, I like seeing what Megan wears. now that she's not like in the royal it's not a coven can't think of a word she can just wear outfits

I'm looking forward to seeing what she's wearing I'm looking forward to seeing what they're up to I did drop off on her show I wasn't that into it I'm not that into buying her jam but I would really like to see her on TV I think I want to see her acting Graham Norton as well I'd like to see her yeah I feel positively neutral

as in like neutral vid toward positive end and I feel like it would be nice to see her doing things that she's good at and embracing some new things. Should we get her on the pod? I was going to say she can come on here as well, bring some jam. Oh, I'll email her. That's such a good plan.

Meg Bear 101. Meg LovesHat has at gmail.com probably something. We probably guess it. So before we go, for the whole episode, I really thought you guys were going to call me out on this. I was in every section, apart from the Amanda Knox section. I was just slipping in Dolly Parton song lyrics, in quotes. I started to get quite curious by the end.

And I just wanted to ask, one, I'm so sorry, but two, did you really not think why is she saying these absurd? Why is she speaking Dolly? I only noticed one segment. I can't remember which one it was. I only noticed one. I think it was maybe the Chanel shoes. I've not noticed any other times. I said coat of many colors. Oh, see, I just thought it was just like a bathism. You're always saying things and I often don't know what you're talking about. So I just, I just thought, oh, you smile and wave. She went, she's off one again. It must have been about 13.

I said, it's wrong, but it's all right. I said, powerful woman. I said, coat many colors, obviously. I mean, when I announced the death, I'm not announced to death. When I was talking about that, I said, I will always love you. And what I like, I got so many and sent from above. That's one of my favorite songs. And then at the end, I was scrambling because I was like, I've got to fit some more.

And I said, bluer pastures. And I was like, someone's going to go, blow pastures. That's not the one. I said that everything's going to work out fine. Again, because you do kind of talk like this. I just didn't notice. I just was like, She taught me. Because often I, I sometimes think I'll listen back to what she said when I, like, do the edit or when I'm listening back. Because I often miss things you say during the record. So I was clocking you saying things and I thought, I'll laugh at that later when I understand what she's on about. I'm sure listeners will start to pick up on this. But yeah, I had to come clean. Obviously I didn't do it in the middle segment. But the rest was fair game. And that's my little tribute to Dahl. That's amazing. I love. That's really fun. Can you do things like that? I want to play tricks. I'm not smart enough. Let's all do Easter eggs. Ester eggs.

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