Everything Is Content - Bimbo Stoicism, Gwyneth Paltrow's Controversies & Steamy Scenes In Off Campus

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

Hello ‘ello EICrashouts!Happy Friday but even more importantly- happy wedding day to our beloved Ruchira! If you’ve not sorted your wedding gift yet don’t fret. The bride and groom have requeste...d 5 star ratings and gorgeous reviews for the pod. Onto the episode…First up we’re discussing a truly bonkers run of celebrity endorsements. Timothée Chalamet for controversial prediction market Kalshi, his partner Kylie Jenner shilling Meta’s new Starfire AI glasses and Gwyneth Paltrow advertising luxury real estate in Israel… are some celebrities too famous for consequences? And how fat were those paycheques? Next up a new philosophy on the block- Bimbo Stoicism. Described as “a viral internet subculture that blends ancient Stoic emotional detachment with hyper-feminine, reclaimed "bimbo" aesthetics” with “a core philosophy encouraging women to reject rigid patriarchal beauty hierarchies and embrace self-acceptance by identifying with a "twin animal" that matches their natural features and demeanour.” Word salad or a chance to escape a lifetime of female-coded suffering?And finally: a steamy streamer to heatedly rival Heated Rivalry: Off Campus on Amazon Prime. Adapted from a book series of the same name by Elle Kennedy, the series is set at the fictional Briar University and follows music student Hannah Wells as she makes a deal with star hockey player and team captain Garrett Graham to start a fake relationship in exchange for her tutoring him. Perfect horny show or just a load of old fluff? One of us hated it, the other two have taste. No spoilers!Thanks so much for listening! You can follow us @everythingiscontentpod for behind the scenes content and to help us decide future topics.O, R, B xThis week Oenone was loving Two Weeks In August on BBC iPlayer, Queenie Is Working On It by Candice Carty-Williams (out now!) and kimchi cheese toasties. Ruchira was loving Girl, Interrupted and Beth was loving True Detective series 1 and sort of maybe (??) liking Alice and Steve.LinksDazed - Wtf is Bimbo Stoicism? Unpacking the internet’s wildest new beauty trendThe Guardian - From Goop to ‘Gwynocide’: why is Gwyneth Paltrow starring in a luxury Israeli real estate ad? by Arwa MahdawiNovara Media - Gwyneth Paltrow Appears in Ad for Israeli Luxury Real Estate DeveloperThe Guardian - Gwyneth Paltrow 'a crucial source' in Harvey Weinstein revelationsElle - It's Time To Connect The Dots Between Stories About Gendered Violence And What Causes It by Gina MartinInstagram - Gwyneth Paltrow Just Goopified Drone Warfare Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:02 I'm Beth. I'm Ruchera and I'm Anoni and this is Everything is Content. The podcast that brings you the best, the worst, the juiciest and most jarring from the world of pop culture, politics, literature and more. With the voices in your head that replaced the scrolling in your fingers. This week on the podcast, is there anything celebrities won't advertise? Is Bimbo Stoicism the philosophy we need to live by? And why has hockey become the sexiest sport on TV? You can follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Everything is Content Pod for behind the scenes content and a chance to wade in on future topics
Starting point is 00:00:39 and please also make sure you've hit follow on your podcast player app so you never miss an episode. So before we begin, a quick but very important announcement, if you are listening to this on the day it comes out Friday the 3rd of July, that means today is Routura's wedding day. We're all so excited and who knows if you follow me or an only on social. you can probably expect some cheeky wedding content. So do not miss that. And also please do wish Gorgeous Ruchera and Ryan the best luck for a long and very happy life together. We love
Starting point is 00:01:13 podcasting with her. We know that you love listening to her. We love being her friends and we feel so grateful to know her. So happy wedding day to Rue and Ryan. So first up, Anoni, what have you been loving this week? My God, guys, you are going to kill me, but I have been watching two weeks in August. That's good. It's another trifecta one then. What did you think? So I got four episodes in. I kind of thought it was going to end on that episode, but it doesn't. I think it's really good, but God, it's making me depressed.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Did it make you guys not really depressed? On the one hand, you know, my obsession was desperate to go to Greece. So on the one hand, I'm like, I really want to go to Greece. And then I'm thinking, is this going to happen to me in Greece? Maybe not with these, like. Hopefully not. What parts are depressing to you? Because there's a lot of potentially depressing stuff.
Starting point is 00:01:57 I think just the whole everyone's way of living their lives is really depressing. I also, I'm watching my partner. And he's like, please stop talking. Because I'm like, why is she doing? Why is she saying that? Like, all of the characters, I know that's the point and that's what makes good TV. But all of the characters make choices. And I'm just like, why have you done that right now?
Starting point is 00:02:13 And like, why have you not said this thing? Why have you said this thing? At the same time, I do think it's really good. And I love that it's BBC. It just makes me happy when the BBC makes something good. I do get what you mean. I feel like with the main character, Zoe, I feel like I'm living vicaracy through her having a very clear mental breakdown.
Starting point is 00:02:29 And there's something about, you know, somebody who's so tightly coiled and so uptight with like, like, respectfully just like a rod up their ass, like she is at the beginning of the series, who unravels so quickly that I just find so captivating. It's almost like I'm like, yeah, girl, have a breakdown, just like be awful. But do you know what I kept noticing? I was like, God, these children are so neglected. I know. So true. The children are just left to their own devices. They're not fed. They're not supervised by the pool. The adults are so, and I was like, of course, it's going to be a big plot point. They're definitely going to arrive back to Heathrow and now. their children are going to be seized.
Starting point is 00:03:02 But they're just a plot device, those poor children. I've seen that the whole time I'm watching them. And I know that there is this ongoing joke about how shit the nanny is. But surely you'd fire her and get a new nanny. And also they're just like, every time I'm like, where are the kids? Like who's looking off to the children? Even when I hope, well, I hope this isn't a spoiler, but there's a part where they're like getting quite loose. And obviously we have grown up with the Madeline McCann thing.
Starting point is 00:03:25 These kids are just in that villa. Their parents are off their faces by the pool. I was like, someone's going to drown. the kids are going to get taken. That was probably part of my anxiety as well. Have you finished it and do you, is this one that you are loving and do you recommend it to listeners? Are we going to have the trifectar? I absolutely recommend it.
Starting point is 00:03:41 I haven't finished it yet. How many episodes are that, as I said, I thought I was going to finish an episode four. What? Yeah. I think even maybe episode three we were like, that's done then. And then I'm like, how is it going to go? It's okay, I've gone halfway through. I wasn't at all what I'm expecting because it is white lot to see, but it's darker, I think,
Starting point is 00:03:59 than white lotus. Richie are not no spoilers obviously for listeners or an only book. Did you like the ending? Because I kind of loved it, but it was mental. I thought that last episode was so defunct and also just so yeah, I don't think we needed that. Understand the points it was making and the comparisons it was drawing between global events. I'm trying to do this really delicately and this cohort of people, this very privileged cohort of people. But I just, I thought that last episode was so unnecessary. I think similar. I do think it's good. fun right to the end but in my head I've ended it a little way before that I've done a little rewrite but it's such good I think it's really good value and especially for the BBC so should I just stop at episode four then which is when I thought it was going to end I think maybe five I think maybe five round off at five or six no I will see I will see it through I I will and then I've been loving obviously queenie is working on it we spoke to candys carty Williams last week and I have almost finished the sequel for queenie lovers go listen to that episode do pick up the book it's
Starting point is 00:05:00 such a great one to just absolutely race through it. So I've been really enjoying that. My last thing is not a pop culture thing, but I finally worked out how you make a grilled cheese. And so I have been eating kimchi grilled cheese toasties like every single night of my life. And it is life changing. It seems like two things that shouldn't go together. But I had one like a year ago at a cafe and they're so good. Yes, me too. So I had one when I was going to see a friend.
Starting point is 00:05:22 And I was like, that's amazing. I wonder if I can make it home. And then I looked it up and all my life I've kind of, I've watched especially because of double words proud. I've watched people making grilled cheese. and I've just never been able to do it. And then I found out, it's because you're not meant to put oil in the pan. You simply butter the outsides of the bread.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Stick that in a warm pan. Then you layer in your filling. So I do one layer of emmental or edam. Then a bit of kimchi that you have to chop and like dry. Then spring onions and what they call chili flakes and stuff. Then a layer of cheddar, then bread on top that's buttered. Then you put the lid on two minutes. Flip it and then you put a bit of mustard on the side.
Starting point is 00:05:52 That is so good. I've never done a toasty in the pan because I've done it in, what, those little mooing things. The bags. I've never heard of the values either. Oh, the ones we have when we were kids. I used to love those that fold and they chop it in half. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Or the George Foreman. I got a George Foreman for my birthday one year and now my brother and his partner have inherited it somehow. So I've not actually done the whatever his name is in the Devil West Prado where he's complaining about Yarlsberg or the cost of something prick. Yes. But I've wanted it. Because I don't have any of the appliances. When I was little, obviously just our whole family was Kingsmill white bread, cheese and ham on the toasty stuff so full that my mom would kill us because the whole thing would just be like exploding with cheese. and it was unreal and then you just burn your mouth
Starting point is 00:06:29 because it's just like a hot pocket of cheese but this is sort of like the elevated version it's got kimchi in it goes so it's really healthy and that is what I've been loving this week no that sounds so good what about you, Ruggira? So I'm going to be completely honest with you I have not watched, consumed any pop culture this past week
Starting point is 00:06:44 but I have got something I think I didn't bring to the podcast and if you tell me I have then just I'm going to have to leave I don't think I recommended this but I watched Girl Interrupted a few weeks ago and it was my first watch of it My goodness, Angelina Jolie is just like absolutely breathtaking in that film. She is so scary, so alluring, so magnetic. It's undeniably just like a starring role just for her. And everyone else is amazing, but it's wild how she just steals the absolute show of that film.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Is it weird to say that's one of my favorite films? Because it's quite disturbing. But like I used to watch that over and over again. And yeah, I used to fucking love it. And I'm obsessed, Angelie Jolie. Were you inspired because of the title of Best Book Girl, Inexperience, to then go and watch Girl? interrupted. A thousand percent. It reminded me that it had always been on my list. And I think I thought
Starting point is 00:07:31 it's such a depressing topic. And I thought it would be a depressing film that I kept putting it off. But I just plowed ahead. And it was really worth it. It was really, really, really good. Do you know, Britney Murphy in that film? And I've been thinking a lot about Britney Murphy lately. I think people have been posting her online, maybe because Dakota Fanning has reached the age that she died at and people are just kind of longing for her star power. She really was just a singular talent. She in that film playing this quite, I think she's in the treatment facility. So it's about a group of women in a mental health facility. I don't really know what. It would have been called then. Winona Ryder leads, Angelina Jolie and then Britney Murphy
Starting point is 00:08:06 there for kind of eating disorder related things. And she plays this like, oh, I just think it's one of the finest performances. And I am now longing to watch that film. I think I'm going to have to. Oh, she's so good. I keep seeing Britney Murphy on my feed as well. I think there's a real research of the people discovering her. The reason I saw it is some people online had created a fake AI actress who was like too pretty to get work or something. And then everyone was retweeting and like, we have this tragic story of this like perfect actress that we no longer have and it was Brittany Murphy. So I just keep seeing random things. But uptown girls, her famous starring role to go to Fanning is also a film that I just watched on repeat and it did make me want
Starting point is 00:08:39 to get a pig as a pet. Um, Lena Dunnab's good in aspo for somebody who has pig pets as well. You should, you should check her out. Remember she gave us, she gave us some advice on the best pigs to first take in at the talk we went to. Because they get enormous, don't they? Yeah. Because micro pigs aren't really real. T-cup pigs. Pig fluencer. She's got big hog. I can't imagine Ashtra's going to like that.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Do you guys follow Merlin on Instagram? It's a pig that talks. It's got buttons. What do you mean at talks? So it has these buttons. Have you seen the dogs that have buttons, but it's so funny. It's buttons are like, it loves ice cubes, Merlin. But then sometimes they've now given it a button that goes, abuse, child abuse.
Starting point is 00:09:11 So when they don't give him a treat, he'll go and press the abuse, child abuse button. But he does it like 20 times. It's really good. That's so funny. Oh my gosh. That does remind me of that dog that went absolutely viral that was like communicating apparently. but then apparently that got debunked and apparently it's not as it's not as clear cut as it seems that he's communicating. I know.
Starting point is 00:09:29 I feel like such a party people, whenever I say this people, like dogs cannot communicate with buttons. Dogs can understand that sound, they can associate sounds with following actions, but they don't have a kind of specific language memory that humans do. But then you say that and people like, oh, I just love the dog. And I'm like, fuck, I'm a bitch. They also are, they're still connecting patterns. But if you want to see some real intelligent animals, you need to follow Parrot Academy, which is this woman who like teaches her parrots.
Starting point is 00:09:53 use the iPad, they properly use the iPad. And one of the parrots, best friends, Lily, it died. And the parrot asks to see pictures on the iPad. So it'll click Lily, pictures. And then it looks at the picture and it puts its face right next to the picture of the parrot. So it got really sad. And now it asks all the time if it's got cancer, the parrot. So it'll be like, ouch. Cancer, question mark. And then like hold its foot up. Oh my God. It's so sad. And now it facetimes people that parrot. So it's like rings her mom at like through in the morning. Last answer. It's, it's, she's, that's in the news. So that's real. But you should look at Parat Academy. Well, remember us with them dogs. Oh no. Whatever, but I choose to believe.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Finally, can you please tell us what you've been loving this week? So what I've actually been loving is True Detective Season 1, which I'm watching. I've convinced my partner to watch this. I think he actually he's chosen to watch this because it's a very good TV show and it's a good way in for him to get into TV shows. We're watching it on DVD, which is such a treat. We'd when watching, we watched it for two nights running, two episodes and then one and a half last night. And he was like, we haven't watched a single advert all evening. And I was like, that gave me chills. So technically that is my thing, but I thought I probably wait until I finished to just round up the series because I haven't watched it since I watched it for the first time in 2014 or 15. I will give a recap. But I've got
Starting point is 00:11:03 one thing to bring to the podcast that is new, which is Alice and Steve on Disney Plus, which has sparked a lot of discourse because it's about a 50-something man who sleeps with and then starts dating his best friend's 26-year-old daughter. And, okay, it was not a love, but I thought I'm going to give it a chance because people were slating it. I finished it. It was weird. Lucy Mangum for The Guardian said, Jermaine Clement,
Starting point is 00:11:28 that's the guy from Flight of the Concord's stars alongside Nicola Walker, who's amazing. But she says, Jermaine Clement and Nicola Walker's icky comedy is dated and wrong. I don't think it was icky and wrong necessarily, but it did feel a bit odd. Like there was this whole setup that I'd missed where, I mean,
Starting point is 00:11:44 it just kind of launches into these two having this relationship and the mother of this girl. going a bit bonkers because I think you would and everyone around her is kind of being a bit pussyfitting around the fact that this man who's known this child and is in his 50s has had sex with her daughter even though not wrong on a sort of criminal level you can imagine she would have some feelings and then it all just sort of blows apart I think it was funny at times and it was well written but mostly I just felt really sad because everyone's being horrible to each other and she is really suffering because her daughter is, I think I expected it to be funnier and lighter and more of a romp,
Starting point is 00:12:19 whereas actually it is just like very isolating because this woman is like kind of having a psychotic break because her child, her adult child is sleeping with her best friend and someone that she's slept with before. So I didn't have as much fun as I'd hoped. A bit weird. Was there was there a point to it? Like did it feel like they were trying to because weirdly I listened to loads of podcasts where they have people writing confessions and this is actually something that comes up quite a lot. It'll be like someone, it was actually recently I was listening to one and it was woman who slept with her best friend's son and she'd also slept with him. And this is so I think it is something that happens, but like was the moral of the show, this is bad? Or did it kind of feel like
Starting point is 00:12:55 they've not landed on an ethos or like a point? It wasn't really moralising. It felt that it was more live and let live because actually the mum is painted as quite the agitator and she goes a bit bonkers and she starts doing some quite insane stuff and ruining everyone's life. Whereas you do, you know, that I think you're meant to feel quite sympathetic to him because he is painted as more of a good guy and just wants to be loved and has worked very hard in his life to be a decent person. And you're like, oh, I'm a bit confused about this. It's sort of like everything just burns to the ground. I just couldn't quite grasp it.
Starting point is 00:13:27 I mean, I probably would watch season two weirdly, but I'm after that review, two stars. I'm not entirely sure they're going to make one. What is so compelling that would make you want to go back to it? Is it the storyline because it becomes so dramatic? I think it's definitely that. And it's also, I'm just, I would like to see what the point, what, what they feel saw for this TV show like where does it sit? Why, why have they created it at this point in time? I'm just very curious what on earth you would do with this story. Like, am I meant to be moved?
Starting point is 00:13:55 Am I going to be laughing? Is this going to escalate even further? And everyone's going to end up dead. They've sort of got me on curiosity. I quickly want to circle back to when you said we're watching this because I'm trying to get him as in best partner into TV. Does he not watch TV? It's not a big TV guy. No, I think he's a, just a film guy. He's a film director and he works in films and he kind of enjoys the brevity and the payoff of a film and like the art form. Whereas I love a TV series. Like the more series of the show, the better, the more, I love a limited series, but give me a show from the early 2000s that's got like 25 episodes. Like Gilmore Girls are just delightful. He's got so much good stuff waiting for him. If he's not really
Starting point is 00:14:34 into TV, you started so strategically with True Detective. I know. I feel like that was the pinnacle of everyone being like, the golden age of TV is here. TV that rivals really. high budget, excellent autotere films. You've started very well there, good job. Yeah, I think I've said this to you guys before, but sometimes when you say, I don't even know if I'm going to have a baby, but sometimes when you mention shows like this, I put them in my back pocket because I think maternity leave. And I probably won't have maternity leave because I'm self-employed, but I'm like, true detectives. This is like why I'm like, one day I'll have maternity leave and I'll just watch every TV show I've never watched. But I guess that's probably people are
Starting point is 00:15:07 going to write in and be like, baby, you won't be doing that. It's so true. I still have that six months in my mind and it's like where are those six months coming from you're not on a payroll. Well the baby is going to be editing the podcast. On the 11th of June, Timothy Shalameh shocked the internet by starring in a bizarre multi-year ad campaign for the financial prediction market platform Kalshi, directed by Academy Award winning cinematographer Linus Sandgren of Lala Land and shot on 35mm film, the surreal, highly stylised commercials immediately went viral. Cali rolled out the campaign by launching three distinct commercial spots simultaneously across television and social media networks, with Timothy
Starting point is 00:15:49 sharing them on his own socials too. We spoke about this new frontier of gambling in a previous episode, but just in case you miss that, Kalshi is a prediction market that lets you bet cash on the outcome of future events. Platforms like Kaushi and Polly Market are highly controversial because they sit in this heated legal, moral and political grey area that spans federal court battles, national investigations and public health concerns because they allow people to bet on war, terrorism and political events. Just the day before Tim Youzad, Gwyneth Paltrow's luxury Israel real estate ad dropped. The commercial was commissioned by Israeli developer Aviv by Melisron
Starting point is 00:16:27 and filmed by Tel Aviv-based creative agency, Why Worry? Despite promoting an Israeli property, it was shot entirely on location in New York City. Rendrings then flashed on screen showcasing twin 51-story skyscrapers, built to overlook the 173-acre Hertz Leia Park. The development boasts ultra-luxury amenities, including a swimming pool, a Pilates pool, a wine room and a private gym, with penthouses valued up to $10 million. People have since started calling her Gwynnicide, and in a piece for the Guardian, Arwa Madawi, writes,
Starting point is 00:16:57 Gwyneth Paltrow has built a wellness empire by encouraging people to put questionable things in their mouths and up their orifices. Over the years, Goup founder has promoted parasite-busting goat milk cleansers, urged women to stick $66 jade eggs into their vagina and wax lyrical about the powerful benefits of rectal ozone therapy. Now, however, it seems Paltrow's brand
Starting point is 00:17:17 is pivoting from colon cleansing to ethnic cleansing. Then, just last week on the 23rd of June, we got to the peak of this, I would say, with Kylie Jenner's Day in the Lifestyle video ad for her co-designed collaboration with Meta Glasses, which debuted alongside Meta's formal product launch event
Starting point is 00:17:33 in New York City, with many people pointing out she's now profiting from the dangerous progression towards normalised mass surveillance and public safety risks. The glasses are slim, oval and modelled to look like fashion glasses, making them even more discreet than the original frames. Meta has introduced an expanded lineup of smart glasses alongside its signature Rayban Meta Collection, including the performance-driven Oakley Meta Range. They have 12 MP ultra-wide cameras capable of high-res photos and 3K video recording and discrete open-ear speakers for audio calls built-in meta-a-I features, including 20-language live-translansel. Oh my God. Have we ever seen a worst series of endorsements from celebrities and from celebrities that I think have pretty good goodwill from the public? I was listening to a podcast on the weekend which I often recommend on this podcast, which is called Offline with John Favro. And he often discusses and has really interesting guests who talk quite thought about topics like we do. And in that episode, he didn't add for GLP ones. And at the time I was just doing my makeup and didn't even pay attention. And then I suddenly zoned in and I thought, wait a minute. What is it about a search? caliber of person that they can just kind of get away with advertising certain things and I guess as the consumer we are kind of led to believe that they're just they're just making money they've just
Starting point is 00:18:47 got to do it but if we did any of these things we'll be out of the job how do you feel about this series of ads both of you and like has it I literally just been talking about my new love for Kylie because I'd never really been that invested and I've just had to completely do a 180 on that one I just find it so so so gross I mean obviously of the three you can argue about the level of damage being different between the Kalshi and the Gwynnicide. I do think of the three, the Gwynnorside is undeniably absolutely appalling, shocking. And I think you're right, it's interesting that these three celebrities who've had, for the most part, fairly goodwill. Obviously, Timmy's had a bit of a weird year where people have gone off in. But I just think how
Starting point is 00:19:25 fat can the check be for Kalshi and Polly Market? How fat can the check be for meta glasses? And the thing that made me feel reassured is the comments, at least for Timothy Shalameh's advert were really, really, really negative. All of them were really negative. And they were like, dude, what are you doing? What are you doing? Whereas with the Kylie ones, they were all really positive. There were loads of people just saying like, oh my God, girl, going to get these glasses. They look so good. They look so chic. And I wonder if there's something about the audiences that they have as well, which allows them to do certain things with the Timothy Shalame, because he has this expectation of being an artist, even though that's very clearly up for debate in terms of if just
Starting point is 00:20:00 because you do, these indie films doesn't necessarily mean that you live your life in a certain way. We have the same thing with A24 signing up with Google Deep Mind. People feel especially let down because it's an indie production company signing onto AI. I think there were expectations that because it's artistic, art adjacent, it should have higher morals than say a massive corporation like McDonald's and that just doesn't pan out in 2026. So I think there's something interesting about our expectations over certain people. I think Gwyneth as well being this kind of memed character that we like online, We expected to be this like softy, softy woman who wears her cashmere sweaters, who says funny things in court and she's just iconic. And then she does something like this and we're like, wait, what?
Starting point is 00:20:36 What, Gwyneth, what are you talking about? No, you're the fun rich woman. You're the rich white lady that we like with the blonde hair. What are you doing? And I think we keep putting these celebrities in boxes and then they do these things and we're shocked. And it's also a lesson to me, I guess, to just remember these are self-interested rich people, really? It's so funny. I mean, it's not so funny, but I was seeing after the Gwyneth Paltrow ad dropped, I was seeing quite a few people on X.
Starting point is 00:20:57 been like, do you know what, actually, I was there on that mountain skiing that day and she did take her back to court, she was guilty. Do you know what is so, I mean, one, that week that that also came out, did you see that on her group podcast, she also had the co-founder of the military tech company, Andrew Rall Tray Stevens, on her group podcast. So a man who was a partner at Peter Thiel's capital firm and a former palantir employee who basically works in military tech defense. She sits down with him and the first thing she says, it's like, I'm so glad you're here. And they have this, like, sickly sweet conversation. It's basically like, he works in warfare. and weaponry and he gets to present as this like caring, god-loving, really decent man. She's just like
Starting point is 00:21:32 laundering their image together, basically pushing his company and his tech towards her own, like massive audience. I just think you're completely right. She has this like memed image. She is beautiful and quirky and has this legacy of goodwill that she has been exploiting. People have been unwilling to dig deeper because she's got these like camp viral videos where she's a really fun sound by or she talks about, you know, smoking a siggy and everyone's like kind of iconic, but actually not at all. I think the writing's been on the wall. with her for a while. But yeah, not truly much to add on her besides, I just wanted to make sure people also aware of the other really problematic thing that she did, which I think got swept under
Starting point is 00:22:07 the rug. Yeah, I think also because Gwyneth Paltrow was actually quite instrumental in bringing down Harvey Weinstein. She was like one of the first victims to come forward. I think that that has been a part of my feeling of this is a woman who like stands up for what's right. And I was, I was actually quite shocked by the advert. I felt quite sickened to be honest. Like I just couldn't. It's funny, like, it's funny the way people are talking about it. But then at the same time, I don't think I follow her on Instagram, but she came up the other day, cooking her eggs, and it was post this advert. And I was just reading on the comments and just can't believe that we live in a while
Starting point is 00:22:36 that these things can happen. And I think it probably is just because of the onslaught of content that maybe not everyone sees it. Maybe people just don't have the energy to care. But it's also the way that because the, everything's been flooded with everyone doing everything all the time. It's almost like people are too exhausted to even take a stance. And I was just surprised at the fact that she'd done this advert in my mind that is like, oh, my
Starting point is 00:22:55 fucking God, I can't believe this has happened. And she's just cooking her eggs on Instagram and everyone's going, oh my God, like, what are you putting on them? So that did really upset me. And then the kindly meta thing, it doesn't really surprise me that much the comments are positive because there's two camps. There's the people who have really got freaked out by this surveillance tech who are kind of touched in. We've spoken about surveillance tech in previous episodes and we have an episode that we're going to be talking about this kind of thing specifically. But there's also the people who are just perhaps younger who were like, oh my God, hands free filming. I'm going to film my eggs. And they're kind of thinking about it from, I don't know why I'm
Starting point is 00:23:25 talking that everyone's making eggs. People are filming other things. But there are some people that are literally going like, this is amazing because I can like take a mirror selfie. I don't have to hold my phone, like the, which is how they pitch it, which is the idea. But obviously the thing that no one wants to face. And I guess it's the same, it's kind of the same thing as those people on Instagram who do post their children a lot or maybe don't have the best boundaries around how they're using the internet or necessarily know the dangers of the internet that are willing to adopt this tech. And it's only when we will so shortly. There's going to have to be laws put in place a bit like how Gina Martin instrumented the upskirting law, which eventually helps in breaking the
Starting point is 00:23:57 Giselle Pelico case. I can just see in the future something's going to happen with these glasses and then we're going to have to have a massive legislative thing going on where it's like they're going to have to change the rules. But in that moment in time, this moment in time, when anyone could just be walking around, filming anyone at any point in time, anyone's kids, anyone at home that they might see naked through their window, post them online. There is going to be so many negative effects from this. And unfortunately, there's not going to be consequences until that happens, which it will. It's so bleak. It's so bleak. And the thing that also kills me is AI's last frontier is like accessing the people with taste and like accessing this idea of coolness and this
Starting point is 00:24:34 perception of AI being a tastemaker of its own right. Because at the minute, it's just regurgitating everything else. It has no distinction. It's not good at establishing why something is better than another thing. That's what a human eye is for. That's what creativity and lived experience is for. So in the interim of being able to get to that point or trying to get to that point, what they're doing is cherry picking people who are perceived tastemakers and just using their image to launder AI in the interim. And that's exactly what's happening with Kylie Jenner, making these glasses that look like 90s, Judy Roberts' glasses that objectively look really nice, like the shape is really beautiful, then using her image as somebody that people like fashion-wise, aesthetically, whatever, using her inbuilt audience who trust her. It's just, it's completely tastewashing the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:25:17 And I think it's so brazen. And I also think it's like really pathetic that people will sign up to do that. It feels very cheap to me. There's so many more interesting things that you can do. It just feels like such a cash grab. Yeah, the money of it all. Because I mean, Guy Jenner is so rich already. All of these celebrities are so rich already.
Starting point is 00:25:32 I remember when Sidney's Sweeney started doing adverts. She'd just sort of broken out and she was doing a lot of adverts. And she said in an interview, well, I didn't grow up with money. If all this goes away, you know, the amount I pay out for my agent, for stylists and things like that, I don't have a huge take home pay. I need to do this to secure a kind of financial future for my family. family. I mean, that sort of feels like bullshit at this point, but maybe at that point, that was true. Kylie Jenner grew up mega wealthy. Timothy Shalloway, I know, was living a comfortable life and is now
Starting point is 00:25:57 mega, mega wealthy. What is the paycheck? Like, is it that they're just surrounded by money men who are like, well, this is a smart deal. This is a no-brainer who are not thinking with, you know, hearts and souls. Maybe, maybe at a certain point, money breaks your brain, actually. That reminds me of that tweet. I always retweet it whenever I see it. It's like, Merman Melville tweet. It's like being a billionaire must be insane. Your life is a series of your own preferences in terms of cognitive impact. It's like being kicked in the head by horse every single day. That is what I think is to blame for some of this greed. I do think Timothy Shalami has, in his heart, he has got the soul of like a Parisian tap dancer. He's got, he loves his craft. He's a bit annoying about it. But that's just because he loves it.
Starting point is 00:26:37 And I do think in the presence of like massive corporate greed, you can kill that part of yourself. You can kill the part that is discerning, that is kind of pretentious, that actually we need more. of in the world. Cardassians, look, I'm not surprised. I think Kim Kardashian is a sciop sent to test me because she's this vector of massive misogyny, which I will defend her from. But then she is also, like, at the call face of manufactured self-hate for millions of women, fast fashion greed, modern inequality. Kylie Jenner, I did briefly as well as you and only. I kind of went, Queen a few weeks ago. I mean, egg on my face. Eggs every minute of the day. I feel like, obviously, of course, she is not like that. But like, I mean, Courtney did those vagina gummies,
Starting point is 00:27:12 not as bad. Kim has done work with Tesla. She's, you know, her fast fashion stuff. I think the other one, Chloe has done Sheehan stuff. Kendall Jenner did the Pepsi. I mean, that wasn't so bad. But like what is next? Mason partners with Palantir, Chris Jenner, shoot someone. Like, I just wouldn't be surprised and I have to lower my expectations for this family. It's taken me back. I mean, we've covered this in different, from different angles, but we covered it with the hot girls read thing when we were talking about what it takes to become a successful to person. And one element of it is. actually just not giving a fuck about what people say about you and whether or not to get to the top,
Starting point is 00:27:46 you have to make enemies of your audience and then find an audience that are willing to accept you doing at whatever cost. And also in the episode where we spoke about that article that was like, what does being really rich due to your brain? I think part of it is you get so isolated. You have a team of yes, people around you. You have agents. You have basically a load of staff and a little of people that are profiting off your profit. And so they're all going to encourage you to take every ad because it's like they're all getting a cut and they will tell you it's fine. No one's going to care. you're not hanging out down the pub with people who are talking about the impacts of the repercussions of whatever it is that you're advertising. You're probably not engaged in the discourse in the same way.
Starting point is 00:28:21 And so I think that is part of it. Because the thing that I find really hard is just I'm sat here in my chair thinking, I would feel so bad to do that. And it's like they are not operating in the world that you are operating in. They do not have the same things to lose. They only have to gain. And I do think once you get to a certain point of fame, it's like, yes, we talk about cancellation. But clearly, like, there is no toppling people anymore. I think it's really only when you're on the way up. I think I wish there was more that we could do, and I'm sure there is, but I think everyone's tired of this, like, trying to do this collective action of cancellation, which feels like such a null and void thing to do anymore.
Starting point is 00:28:55 But it hurts me because, for example, like, we wouldn't take a prime-mark ad on the podcast or we wouldn't do a cost-ad. And we don't have any money. So, like, they would do that in heartbeat. Yeah, in comparison to maybe the fat checks that the celebrities are getting, we're turning down like £800. I know what you mean. It's just, it feels like I really miss the sense of collective anger, this kind of shared unified response to things. And people might call it cancel culture. I don't really feel like it was cancel culture. Obviously that is
Starting point is 00:29:26 debatable anyway and that term is like very misused and weaponised and all that kind of stuff. But at the minute everything feels really fractured. There doesn't feel like a unified response to any of these things. Even with Gwynnicide, which as I say, I think is the worst of the three undeniably. There was no sense of a response online. I didn't even really see anyone responding to it, apart from privately on groups or a podcast that I'd listened to. It feels like the internet is so fractured in a way that I feel like in 2016. It never felt like that. It felt like we were all talking about the same thing, whereas I never feel like that. I feel like things get missed, as you say, things get overlooked. There's too much going on all the time. There's no central
Starting point is 00:30:04 conversation about the big things happening. What do the words, Bimbo Stoicism, mean to you. According to Laura Pitcher for dazed, Bimbo Stoicism is a viral internet subculture that blends ancient stoic emotional detachment with hyperfeminine reclaimed bimbo aesthetics. Its core philosophy encourages women to reject rigid patriarchal beauty hierarchies and embrace self-acceptance by identifying with a twin animal matches their natural features and demeanor. Those who follow the ideology match themselves to an animal based on their facial features, such as their eye shape or nose structure. The goal, apparently, is that to realise that beauty exists naturally on a spectrum and is determined by human rankings.
Starting point is 00:30:47 This tweet made me laugh. So at Little Perashka wrote, the way I've been searching this for an hour and I still don't get it. Why are women saying they're gorillas and skunks? So I turned to you both. Are you a follower of bimbo stoicism? Or do you not know what? So when we first read this piece, I was like, what a load of words had. It's just that everyone, I love it when this new way of language that we have, which just everyone is putting two words together that have never been put together. And if anything, just create like these paradoxical oxymorons that are just gibberish. But then I went on the creator's Instagram and she would take someone's picture. I'm assuming someone that had like expressed insecurity about their features.
Starting point is 00:31:26 And she would go, so your nose is actually really powerful because it reminds me of this. And then the person whose picture almost always were common and be like, oh my God, that's me. You've made me feel so much better. So then I felt this huge surge of warmth towards the creator. And I don't know if the piece, the dazed piece maybe did. her dirty because when I read it I was like, I'm sorry, we've got to stop. Everyone needs to log off. We just will use the sentences that already exist and no one's allowed to make new ones. What about you, Beth? I'm always open to a new philosophy and I already am quite a paid up subscriber to the
Starting point is 00:31:56 idea of stoicism and a lot of the therapy actually that's helped me in my life. Like ACT, ACT, Act Therapy, CBT is sort of repackaged stoicism. It is accepting what you can not change and work on things that you can't. So I was kind of like, if you put stoicism and in another fun word together. I'm going to be, my interest will be peaked. It was a little bit, I mean, we did, we went a full 1-8 in the chat. We began with like, wow, more nonsense to like, okay, well, let's hear her out to I might be a Bimbo Stoerick and always have been. It was so funny to see us open up to that what we thought was like an AI hallucination and be like, okay, maybe this is an idea worth thinking on, which just happened so rarely, I think in the internet space, which is Slop Nation for something to maybe break through that has something a little bit more to it than the gibbrings of a mad internet adult freak. But I'm, I think the more I, read about it. I'm not sure it feels a cohesive philosophy. It feels like a nice idea, but perhaps not something that you could build a church around. Stoicism, yes, that's real. Reclaiming term, Bimbo and other sexualized misogynistic terms, sure. I'm just struggling a little bit to unite the two. I do like the idea of having an animal though, but I mean, mine would be a kind of bird, I think.
Starting point is 00:33:00 That's so funny. I was thinking maybe you would be like an owl. Like a stalk or an owl, yeah. An owl? I can see that. What would I be, please? Cuala. What are those little like sugar thingies, flying sugar loaves? Oh. Do you know what I mean? Sugar glider. That's what I was thinking. In Cleopatra and Brangstein, I still think about that.
Starting point is 00:33:19 It makes me sick. Oh, yes. Very sad. Well, they don't all end that way. But yeah, I'm sorry. Me and Routher, both went sugar glider. What is Ruchera? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:28 It's not, it's not a bird. No. It's not amphibian. Could be like a little bunny rabbit. Yeah. I think it's something of the earth. Something of the earth. Something of the earth.
Starting point is 00:33:38 the old mouse or a little bunny. A lot of the criticism, because I then tried to get on board with that. As I said, I love anything that makes women feel better about themselves because that's one of my biggest things this year is just like, let's just fucking accept our faces. And so that is the stoicism of it all. It's like, you can change what you can, you can only change what you can control. Anything outside of your control, you can't change. The problem with externalising this and being like, okay, so I'm going to focus on my beauty and find a way to like latch it onto something that makes me feel positive. It is kind of the opposite of stoicism because stoicism is actually just like the letting go, the internalising of the fact that like actually what you look like
Starting point is 00:34:09 doesn't matter at all rather than I'm going to fight. So yes, they don't quite work together. But I like that it makes women feel better. But it's kind of how I feel about all of these things. Like when there was that series of women who would be like, when I stand up, I look like this. But when I sit down, I've got tummy rolls or like I've got hip dips or you've got something else. And then you're looking at and going, oh my God, I didn't even know now I've got to be insecure about. I found out so many parts of my body that I wasn't supposed to have through people sharing their insecurities. And I think it's kind of one of those things where it's like we kind of just still talking about what women look like.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Maybe the real stoicism is we just don't talk about that anymore. We're still thinking about ourselves too much, to quote, agree. I also find with this piece, we've read it now a couple times, and I still couldn't tell you in similar words what this is about. My most understanding is the bit where it says, if there's a feature you feel negatively about, kind of pairing that with an animal with a similar feature because the way we feel about animals is positively.
Starting point is 00:35:01 We don't identify their noses and think, God, what an ugly, fugly bitch. in the way that we do to ourselves. I get that, but I just don't really understand all the other things, such as, for example, emotional detachment paired with hyperfeminine reclaimed bimbo aesthetics. What is the bimbo aesthetics in this? That's the bit I don't really understand. And calling it an ideology, I feel like it's a nice approach, the animal element, but there's just so many things going on. I still can't explain how bimbo aesthetics or bimboism is related to this. Well, do you remember there was a real push for the bimbabification, the reclaiming of bimboes?
Starting point is 00:35:33 an ID magazine piece that announced that 2021 was the year of the bimbo and then Vice magazine did a piece in early 2022 that said, bimbification is taking over. And that was self-proclaimed reaction against Garbos feminism. And I think that made sense at the time. And it was a lot of videos of women like wearing pink,
Starting point is 00:35:49 wearing high heels, talking very softly and sweetly with blonde hair, kind of the things that had been labeled, oh, you're a bimbo, e.g., you're an airhead. You can't think for yourself. To be taken seriously, you must dress otherwise to this. It was women going, no, I want to dress like this. And also, you will take me seriously. you know, I won't take you seriously. And I remember there was a really viral video in the early
Starting point is 00:36:07 2020s by a content creator called Chrissy Schlobkeke, who was and is like a huge content creator. And she is kind of like pink hair, pink mini, pink heels. And she does a lot of videos talking to this camera being like, it's quite anti-men, but it's really just like, you're amazing girl, wear whatever you want, be whoever you want. And she said in her viral video, a bimbo isn't dumb, well, she kind of is, but she isn't that dumb. She's actually a radical leftist who's pro-sex work, pro-Black Lives Matter, pro-LGBQ plus, pro-choice, and will always be here. here for her, girlies, gays, and they's, that feels very dated now. What I think the bimbo-stero-steroism is is a re-gathering and a reformation of that same ideology. I think bimboism is free-floating.
Starting point is 00:36:44 And in this substack era, where we do need to intellectualize and over-intellectualized stuff, it has attached itself to the term stoicism. It's the same thing, but just for the substack era, I think. It's so substack. The other flaw, I think, is that it's lovely to be like, oh, we're so nice to animals, but we're not. People will be like, that as an objectively cute dog, that is an ugly dog. We are constantly looking at animals and saying hot, not hot, not hot, but like we do judge. Hopefully not hot. Yes, sexy. We do, we do judge them facially. So that's like the part of it that I also think maybe doesn't entirely work. I think objectively, if this brings you some solace, it's like on the list of things, especially with
Starting point is 00:37:24 the last topic we just described, you know, go live your life, girl, go have a good time. If Bimbobsterozism is that way, that is all good. It's just interesting, I think, the constant lottery balls, as you said and only of the words being paired together. And like I said, with let them, I think maybe even like a year and a half ago, I don't think many of these concepts tend to be that new. They're just kind of repackaged and turned into online aesthetics, which is completely fine. It's just fascinating the speed at which these new things keep coming up and kind of the reassessment of words like Bimbo, which in my mind kind of loses meaning by this point because they keep changing and keep changing and keep changing. Yeah. And do you know what? Last thing for
Starting point is 00:38:01 me, I was reading the Bimbo Wikipedia because I'm very serious about my research. And Bimbo used used to be a term for a dimwitted man. And it's only over time that it became, I know, and then it became for men and women. And then it fell out of favour in the kind of mid-20th century. But then it was, it came back into fashion. We got Hymbo and we also got Bimbo came back to fashion with the 80s and the 90s and all of the political sex scandal. So obviously we just needed a word with a real punch to skew a woman who had dared be taken a bunch of by famous politicians. So, yeah. Maybe men should be bimbos and women are bimbars. I love bimba.
Starting point is 00:38:35 Bimba. Yeah, I think the final thing for me is it feels like, again, it's one of those things that feels about like choice feminism where like on an individual level is this makes you happier to go out into the world existing as you are with acceptance. It's great. But at the same time, it's not really pushing anything forward. It's not really doing anything in the name of genuinely making inroads
Starting point is 00:38:53 with how women feel about themselves beyond this individualistic ideology. And I would love it if someone actually, but we can't have philosopher anymore because we don't have these people that are just sitting around thinking all the time. None of the aristocrats anymore seem to be very engaged with sort of like intellectual things
Starting point is 00:39:08 and so I would love, I know there are people that like study philosophy but like if we could get a new Plato out and about, I would like it. Now's the time we've been waiting, darling. I'll do it. Plater. Bimba Plato.
Starting point is 00:39:21 That's a great drag name. Bimba Plato. When one steamy hockey show ends, another must take its place. Off-campus is Amazon's latest offering for anyone with a heated rivalry a hole in their chest, except this is a straight hookup story, RIP. But much like heated rivalry, off-campus, has been adapted from a book series written by L. Kennedy. So it's set at the fictional Brough University and the series kicks off when Hannah Wells, a musical student, makes a deal with the star hockey player and team captain Garrett Graham to start a fake relationship in exchange
Starting point is 00:39:54 for her tutoring him. A tale as old as time. Like all good rom-coms before it, the fake relationship starts to feel strangely like a real one, and it becomes harder and harder to ignore their chemistry. Surrounding them are hockey frat houses, best friends in unhappy relationships, and naturally lots and lots of very hot people. Anna Spargo Ryan wrote that it was a perfect horny show for The Guardian and shared that Prime reported it reached 36 million viewers in its first 12 days of streaming, making it's third largest debut series ever. She wrote, Firstly, I don't know where they sent the off-campus casting department, but they earn their salaries and then some. Everyone in the show is the most beautiful person you've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Like, if they were in a supermarket, you would follow them around. And they're naked, a lot. This is a show about abs, tits and those things slamming together. Meanwhile, Sophie Gilbert wrote for The Atlantic, off-campus is pharmaceutical grade wish fulfillment. So I'm actually desperate because I know we've all watched this, but we haven't really discussed it. Could I get a top-line review of what your thoughts are so far? Are you also gagging for this? I started watching.
Starting point is 00:40:57 I did watch two episodes, but I can't bear this. And I know you both told me I would get into it. Unfortunately, I didn't. I still am only two episodes in. So I didn't even make it to the Willy Titty Slamming of it all. Oh, my God. I will try and continue. My one sort of like theorising on it that I did find interesting is we are seeing a spike
Starting point is 00:41:15 in sex in our shows. And that's such a fascinating place to be because a couple of years ago it was all about there's too much sex and films. sex needs a waste of space, like why are we having sex? And now it is literally just all sex. I will try and continue with it. But my threshold for stuff like this, I just can't, you both did concede when I said to you guys, I'm really struggling. You're like, it is very cringy. I just, I really can't. I just couldn't bear it. I'm so sorry. That's okay. I feel like it is okay. I'm just sad that you aren't receiving what Richiera and I have
Starting point is 00:41:43 received from this, which I'll speak for myself, but like it is cringe-worthy. It's like romance porn for girls, but I do think it's got as weird, like joyful edge. And I rate it. I think it's colorful. It's fun. It's campy. It's got those like dramatic. beats and it will, if you are inclined to this sort of romance drama, it will make you feel some things. If not, I just think, don't bother yourself, maybe give yourself a couple more episodes just to see where this art goes. But ultimately, that is what it is. Again, to quote Lucy Mangon for The Guardian, she was a big fan of this and she says, it's high class, loveable nonsense and they love it. If it does heated rivalry numbers, it will be because there are more heterosexual viewers in the world,
Starting point is 00:42:15 rather than because it brings any of rivalry's novelty with it, but it deserves whatever success it finds. I agree with that top line. I'm just going to nick that. I think it's great fun. I'm glad it exists. It's not got quite the Vava Vom and the novelty of heated rivalry, but nor should it. I think it's part of a new push of steamy romance TV shows. I'm going to watch them all. I agree. I think the only link between the two shows really is the hockey because if you haven't seen it yet and only you have to watch heated rivalry, that is something else. It's a class of its own. It is genuinely so, so good.
Starting point is 00:42:44 It's homophobic not too. Sorry. A thousand percent. In Pride Month as well, like, how dare you? It's only because you did it when I was away and then I've not got round it. It is really on my list. But with off-campus, I think there's so much trashiness to it that if you can get over that, there's so much to reap from the show. And I think it's okay to, at the beginning, find it a struggle. Because I had the same thing with the first episode. I was like, what is this?
Starting point is 00:43:06 Dialogue. Some of it was like really just absurd. So silly. And also the way it looks as well, it's this kind of new aesthetic where it's like really dark visually looks kind of like a Netflix low-budget rom-comy, like sex series. I think if you can get over these things, it's not a summary turned pretty, it's not a heated rivalry, it's something else. The fake relationship of it all, it's a great story. There has been in the fandom behind the scenes some dramas going on and some discourses, which is always what I'm most interested about.
Starting point is 00:43:37 One being the age gap between the two leads. So he, I forget his name and I forget her name. So I'm just going to call them Garrett, Graham and Hannah Wells. He is 28 in real life and the actress is 19, which there is a bit of Pearl Club. and being like, is this allowed? Obviously, they're at work and I'm assuming it's all very safe. We've all had the older colleague, obviously, in this case, they are simulating sex, so it's slightly different, but she's at work, she's fine. I've seen that. I've also seen that some of the cast members are receiving a bit of parisocial obsession. Garrett Graham, the actor, he has a long-term
Starting point is 00:44:11 partner. People have been very strange about her. People are shipping the two leads together to the point where they were on a red carpet, something recently, and they weren't touching or interacting, and people were like, oh my God, what's happened? And it's like, well, what's happened is they were interacting. You made it weird. And now they're not going to, as we've seen a thousand times. So I do think, I don't know if you two know about the heated rivalry fandom, which by the way, Club Salome has defected to.
Starting point is 00:44:32 But they are so unhinged. Like I think they, the Swifties, the Bliebers, K-pop stands, Ariane, Nauran, Nauranators. No, they're heated rivalry fandom. I'm terrified of them. I guess I do get it, though, because like, if you're a teenager watching this kind of show, like the level of crushes that you get and the fact that you now have access to people via social media, like I would have been up in, what was he from Angus Thongs and Phil Prental snogging, Aaron.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Aaron Taylor Johnson's DMs when I was a teenager. I would have been sending him paragraphs if I could have accessed him at that point in time. So I do get that. It's funny because obviously you know that I do stress about age gaps in relationships, but I don't feel that weird that she's 18 and he's 28. Is that right? 19 or 19 in this. Also, I just assume because more often than not, when we have high schoolers,
Starting point is 00:45:13 they are like 31. Like when Benny Drama did his show, they're all like in their 30s. And it's like, I kind of assumed she was 23. if I had to guess, like I wouldn't have known. But I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I'm assuming that it's going to be like a really safe environment. I would hope so, especially because we are living in this time of what, not sex coordinators, what they call? Intimity. Intimacy coordinators who hopefully are protecting both of them and hopefully she's got a good team around them. Godger. It does remind me of the fact, though, that I think
Starting point is 00:45:38 Milacunis, was she 16 or like 14 or like some crazy age when she started in that 70s show? She lied about her age. So that is slightly more worrying. But, you know, she's a jobbing actress. I think it's all above board, but it's scary to think the level of intensity you could be receiving off the back of the show. And on the Garrett thing, it was so funny because in the first episode, I was like, he's just not hot. And then eventually you go, oh no, he is hot. Also, Club Chalame, we were talking about teenagers. Club Chalamee, I think was born the year before my dad. Oh, wow. Oh my God. So sometimes it ain't the teenagers. I just, with the fandoms, I do feel really bad for the actors, because with both of these, I don't think anyone expected them to be the
Starting point is 00:46:15 runaway successes that they are, the amount of intensity that has been directed on these two shows and the actors who are not super established in the industries, especially with the heated rivalry duo. This was like, I think, some of their first roles. And it's just unimaginable, the amount of craziness that's now been inflected in their life. And I do think people need to relax a bit. I think people need to remember these are real people and to not overstep the mark of just making their life a living hell. Like some of the things I hear about Hudson Williams experiencing when he's us out and about. It sounds absolutely wild and it does feel like we're pushing people to quite an extreme level of hostility in their daily life off the back of just being part of an amazing show.
Starting point is 00:46:53 And I don't really think that's fair. I wonder if it is something to do with the fact that they're all fairly new because the same thing happened with, is it Anthony Kelly that was in love story? Paul Kelly. I think when that unknowns, I wonder if it's more to do with that, they feel closer to you. They're not super famous. So it's like, oh my God, you're a brand new person I've just found out about. So like, we're kind of on a level. I do wonder if that feeds into the parisocial things, it's that idea of discovery. Like you've just found out about them. You've got this close personal relationship with them to watch them on TV.
Starting point is 00:47:19 I think there must be something in that. Oh, God. I mean, and also not to hanker too much on Club Chalamee. But I think that's what happened with her and Timothy Chalame. He got too famous, too familiar. He went out with Kyla Gennar. She soured on him. She has now located herself like a barnacle on Conestori who plays Ilya Romanov in
Starting point is 00:47:33 He did his big fan and follows him around and it's all a little bit much. I do think there is something about the newness. You're right. Also, fun of thing for me. Did you see that the actress who plays Ali, Mika Abdullah, has reportedly going out with her co-star, the guy that plays the musician that Hannah fancies? Because she broke up with her fiance. They announced their split and she has since been seen in Paris smooching up with this other guy. And I went, I just love, I love when hot people find each other and I love little like celeb goss like that.
Starting point is 00:48:00 I love a workplace hookup when it's something to a TV or film. Something about that's so juicy to me. I'm like, oh, we fancying each other when you were doing separate scenes with other actors. That's so funny. Separately on celeb, gossing, smooching, and because we just spoke about love story, and you're going to have to remind me the name of the actor, but the woman that plays Caroline... Sarah Pigeon. Sarah Pigeon, getting with, remind me of the name of the man.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Joe Alwyn. Joe, yeah. Thank you. In hamster teeth, literally two days after like Harry and Zoe's, but everyone's in hamster teeth. And all the Americans, I don't know if you've seen this, they're all like, why do English people lie in the grass? It's just, everyone's just on hamster teeth. You're going to get Lyme disease. Yes, they're all very well.
Starting point is 00:48:39 worried about ticks. Just for our American listeners, ticks are normally off dears or animals like that. So it's very unlikely that there will be a lot of ticks in Hampstead Heath. If you're in Richmond Park, however, you potentially could get some ticks, but it's also seasonal. But yeah, anyway, everyone is snogging on hamster teeth. And I'm happy for Jarwin. I think that's cute. Me too. Thank you so much for listening this week. Before we go, just checking that you've listened to our latest Everything in Conversation episode where we talked to Candice, Carte Williams about the return of Queenie. If you enjoy the podcast, then please do leave a rating and a review wherever you're listening to this now.
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