Everything Is Content - Celebrity Traitors, Adéla Supremacy & Gen Z's Me Too Moment

Episode Date: October 9, 2026

Hello EIClaudiaWinklemans…. Your diva chaperones are back to guide you through this week in pop culture. This week we’ve all been loving movies… from Sheep Detectives to horror classics - we have not left any genres untouched. The Sad Girl community has been celebrating this week - as the Primavera Sound 2027 line-up has been released, and it’s a real feast of gorgeous gloomy pop girlies. Will we (three non-festival gals) be tempted to attend? And how will festivals adapt to the extreme weather conditions we’ve seen as a result of climate change? Sofa season is officially here - we’re deep into the second series of The Celebrity Traitors. And don’t worry - this episode was recorded before episode three was released, so we are (mostly) spoiler-free. And can someone tell us who is making all these James Acaster horny edits? Lastly, we discuss Gen Z’s Me Too Moment - the Cornell 7. As a content warning, we will be discussing the case as the final item in the podcast, so feel free to leave us there if that’s what’s best for you. And… James Blunt - if you’re listening, please get in touch!We love you - thank you for supporting the podcast, and we’ll see you next week. Love, O, R, B x FOLLOW US: INSTAGRAM TIKTOK SUBSTACK LINKS: NOW – TV Youth AMAZON PRIME - Younger SENSE AND SENSIBILITY THE SHEEP DETECTIVES DIGGER CARRIE OBVIOUS CHILD WAITRESS ADAM BUXTON - Dylan Moran BBC The Celebrity Traitors THE CORNELL DAILY SUN DAZED - Tear the frat houses down LILY O’FARREL TODAY EXPLAINED - What happened at Cornell NY MAG - The Post–Me Too Generation Gets Its Me Too Moment VOX - The Burnerverse NY TIMES - In a Mattress SNARLY CARLY Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Content. Content queens. have we got anything to share from the world of content? Because I was realizing a lot of the stuff that I'm loving is now ongoing. So we started watching youth and I'm watching that week to week. I've got a lot of series on the go, celebrators, which we will all talk about later? So I'm like, where will I have time to inject new content and content?

So if anyone got any new content, please bring it to the foreground now. I've actually got low, I think I don't have got too many. I don't know if I should not blow my load like Ritirotovini Loxi last week. I also want to come. I can't wait to talk to you about youth. I'm really excited that you've been watching that. I saw two films over the weekend. They bookmarked my weekend.

I saw one on Friday evening and I watched one on Sunday evening. On Friday evening, I watched Sense and Sensibility. Now, I don't know if you want me to tell you what I thought because I'm desperate for you guys to watch it. So I'm wondering if I should keep my powder dry and will we convene? I will watch it no matter what. We will discuss no matter what, but I'm so keen now to know if it's a yay or nay, positive, affirmative, negative, negative.

I agree. I would like a quick rip the plaster synopsis. Okay, well just also quickly, just to put this into context, the film that I watched on Sunday evening was the sheep detectors and I did cry at both. I have heard the sheep detectives is amazing and I cannot understand what is going on in that little film. I was really hormonal, so that's the thing. So just bear that in mind. So I bawled my way through sensibility and I also cried the whole 20 minute walk home and I could not stop crying for so many different reasons, just thinking about the world, thinking about how amazing Jane Austen is. Just I was so moved by it. I haven't watched

the infamous Emma Thompson one for a really long time. Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet, sense, sensibility, everyone's favourite. So I actually think I had a really fantastic experience in cinema. I thought it was incredible. I loved Daisy Eger Jones. I loved the actor that played Marianne, which is really bad. I can't remember her name. But she was absolutely fantastic.

And God, am I, Marianne. Would you know her name, Beth? You're like about to say it. Is it the one, because obviously I've not seen the film? Is she played by Samantha Morton's daughter? And everyone's going on about her lips? Yes. That might be right.

Esme Creed Miles is that is her daughter? I believe that is her, yes, yes. Is that? Samantha Horton, Charlie Creedmiles is her father. She's 26 years old. I mean, I've heard she's fantastic, but people are, stupid people are being a bit,

you know, she's had maybe her little. Oh. I hadn't seen that, but I did think it. No, so I loved it. I really loved it. I thought it was fantastic. I thought that the love interest who played Edward Ferris.

Is that his name? This is going to be a long episode. Because I don't know off the top of my head. This is not my pride. prejudice. Whatever. Don't worry about it. He looks a bit like Callan Turner, kind of hot, kind of not hotter, I couldn't decide. I thought that action was great. I thought, I thought all of it was fab, and it was really true to the story from what I remember, but it was also as in, they've taken a classic and they've just made it a 2026 classic. It's a period film. My cinema, everyone was really laughing.

One of the critiques that I read was people saying that was really dour. It was very somber. It didn't have the life that it should have had. And I disagree with that. And I think I would hazard a guest that loads of the audience I was with would feel the same but quickly sat behind me they must have been like jenzy and there's a bit where the colonel is talking to marianne it's really early on in the film and these girls behind me were like he's given her crumbs it's so funny jane austin she really like honestly it could have been written today austin would have loved that commentary i love that oh yeah the situation ship the well they won't they the misinformation between those two love i love momming breadcrumbing semi-gummed

ghosting. I mean, it is, oh, it's such a good story. I mean, the thing is, the Emma Thompson one holds up. It's very funny. It's very charming. I keep being served up Hugh Grant on panel shows at the moment. And obviously, he was Edward in that version. And so I think it must be some sort of on the ground marketing thing to make me go, hmm, sense of sensibility. I should go to someone see that. But it has made me very, very hungry to see this. It was well overdue. I'm definitely going to go see this. So now you push me. I will go see it this weekend. You have to, you have to go and see it. I really fucking loved it. I can't. And it just made me really emotional for loads different reasons, but I think also just really stupidly because I was thinking how earnest people were about love back then, even though I know

obviously it would have been bad in so many ways. But like this Marianne, she's like, whatever, how many teenage years old crying really earnestly about this man and her mother's like, darling, the way that you love. And I was like, if we had a kid, we'd be like, babe, you're not going to marry him. Just leave him alone. Like he's just, he's just being a nightmare. Sorry, then I'll move on. The sheep detectives, who would have thunk it, absolutely fantastic films does what says on the tin it's a load of sheep and they solve a crime and it is really good. I've not seen it. I've heard it's very deep about life and a lot more poignant than it seems to be on the packaging. That's what I've heard. Is that true? Yeah, it's really deep. Also, it's like

quite traumatised. I don't think children should watch it. I was quite stressed at least. It's a children's film, I believe. Yeah, I started watching it and I thought, oh, this is very PG. This is Hugh Jackman, holding she. Cousin Greg. I, cousin. I, I, I was. I was a children. I It was crazy how many people are in it and voicing it as well. You're kind of like, they have got the full star cast. Started watching it with my partner and he just got a bit disinterested. I think he just wasn't in the mood. So I need to revisit that.

Because I live surrounded by sheep now. Like I look out the window, sheep. I became very attached to this set of sick sheep over the summer because during the, there was so many wildfires in Wales. So there was a drought. There was wildfires near where I live. And the farmer who has the sheep below us, he came and he took his sheep. sheep away because the creek where they drink from had run dry. Anyway, six sheep had evaded his capture and we saw them out there and we're like, oh my God, there's no water for them. So me,

my mum, my mum's friend, were lugging down like big things of water for these six naughty sheep because they had evaded capture and they were in this huge field with no water. I became very attached to them and I'm trying at the moment to remove animal protein in stages from my diet. You know, when people are like, be vegan but eggs, be vegan but cheese. Like make your best effort. that I have long removed lamb from my diet simply because I have to look at sheep all day and I go, oh, you're lovely. When you say animal protein,

are you just saying you're becoming a vegetarian? What is that? Yes, but I'm saying like I'm removing, I suppose it's animal protein, but I'm removing different animals at a time because I think that's easiest. Chicken will obviously be the last to go because everything in my mind is chicken.

I'm assuming animal protein is eggs, milk. I think they will probably remain. I think I will get rid of most animal protein because you're right, I don't think. What's the angle? Flexy. I think flexi. Fine. Just no need for labels, guys. Let's be fluid.

At the moment, I'm a non-lam eating meat eater. And that is something. I mean, I don't eat lot of meat because my dad's veggie. So, listen, I'm doing pretty well. I'm definitely a flexiator. Well, I can't say it. I eat way less. I never eat meat at home.

But, you know, I do eat it. But I think you just, you can't have these rules. I told people you were full vegetarian for the first year of knowing. Panjitarian. I might have been. I do go through fit. Sometimes I am. That's the thing you never know with me.

I was a vegan for a bit. Are you? It's tough. Yeah, but wait, long before. You know when everyone was a vegan for like six months? Oh, I do remember that time. Like 2000, whenever that was. Yeah.

I did that too. But no, sorry, the only reason the sheep detects has got past because my partner also wouldn't normally watch it was having such bad cramps. I was really in the fetal position. He had to just go with it. And then he actually loved it. I loved it. Now I want to watch more kids films.

I've got more, but I'm going to stop. So someone else. Go on. What have you guys been loving? It's not unloving, but I do want to bring it up. I actually watched Digger. You know the new Tom Cruise film that in the wake of me watching it has basically become one of the biggest flops of our generation. That was you, Ritura.

I know. I know. I think they literally ever credited me for that fall. Yeah, I watched it over the weekend and my God, what a film that I had higher expectations for. It was really not good. And it was really weird, but not weird in a good way, weird in a way that just felt really laborious. and there's a big reveal which has been hidden very much in the vein of how the drama was really great at hiding the reveal

but they were quite open about it in this one it was a reveal and then it just kind of changed the entire trajectory of the film but in a very bad way I've not had that for a while I don't know anything about it so when I don't know you just mentioned the invite I'm thinking Tom Cruise is having a threesome what is digger about so digger is about um so do you say the invite or the drama

Oh, did you say the drama? I said the drama. And only is not... Imagine if that was, I wouldn't have watched it unless that had been way out in the open. I heard threesome. When you said that, I was like,

that's interesting because I thought in the invite they very explicitly do say that they're going to have a sex party. Okay, so I was listening, but just not well. We're all bisexual women with attention deficit disorders.

So essentially, it's about this big oil tycoon in the US. And essentially, one of the oil rigs that is his land. Something terrible happens. A bit of the ice breaks off because of horrendous practices and starts moving towards Europe, on part basically destroy and kill thousands of people. And it's about him engaging with the US president, the US government, about how do we mitigate this, how do we control this? What actually happens is they decide to just ignore it, control the narrative online and just pretend it's not happening so that Europe

doesn't essentially blame them for potentially killing so many fucking people because of climate malpractice. Oh. Yeah. So that's the premise. It's very much like don't look up in vibes, but it tries to do something bolder. And I think in doing that, it just absolutely flops, which is such a shame. Escapist then, climate malpractice and impending doom.

Yeah, exactly. Fantastic all you could say. So you didn't like it? No. It's such a shame. I don't know what to do with Tom Cruise. He's like when you see... When he was younger, he was probably one of the most beautiful man you've ever seen

in your life. How much younger? Because there was a pre-dental work and I think pre-maybe nose job. Oh, did you have a nose job? I quite like messy... I'm really into wonky teeth. I think we should bring them back. I'm actually annoyed that hand of his line.

I think we should stop. He's also just a really good actor. Like, you watch something, some of his old, incredible films. Not the Mission Impossible vibes, but like eyes wide shirt, minority report like vanilla sky all of those films and also magnolia he's really really good one of the best and obviously just his private life is such such an insane thing it's kind of difficult to understand how those two things could be one person his daughter doesn't speak to him though that's why i can't get i think that's when i clocked off it's the cytology of it all i mean he is

so fantastically funny strange exactly what you want in a in a megastar like doing his own stunts into his 60s, jumping on the couches. He is so weird and funny and he loves cinema to death. But then you kind of go, the Scientology, the estranged family, the difficult, like, oh, he is unfortunately that kind of guy. Weirdo. Well, I'm sad it was bad.

I know. Do you remember when everyone, there was a brief moment on the internet, which maybe you would have seen Richard and possibly not you, and I think this has missed you a little bit, where everyone went, I think Digger is going to be a musical. And everyone had watched his dinner back. And there were a lot of, like, singing, dancing moments. And they went, it's not musical.

Was this when I was offline? I didn't even know this film was happening. It could have been actually. It could have been when you were kind of re-centering yourself. And I was going, dig her the musical. I couldn't wait. And that's maybe why I don't want to see it. People knew there was something.

People are so much smarter than me. Turns out the thing they thought was completely wrong. Not that, something else. But something, yeah, I'm not going to say anymore. I think you've saved the film, Rich era. I think you've saved it because now I've got the intrigue. I'm going to go and watch it. Intrigue.

It is projected to lose about $120 million at the box office. I don't think Tom Cruise will give a shit. But I do probably think that whoever made this film. might be a bit like, yep, want me though. I think part of that GQ profile that he did a few weeks ago, I think this was supposed to be his big return to being indie darling, interesting, provocative actor. And I think it's just massively, massively gone askew.

So my second thing that I'm going to bring in is I'm just starting my own format within this podcast. And I haven't really asked you for permission, but I'm going to be doing a month of horror. And I've just started because it's October. And I watch Carrie, which is the 1976 horror based on Stephen King's, novel starring Sissy Spaceic and that was wild you don't realize how many things are rips of an original film until you literally sit down and watch the original film so many things are rips of

Carrie so many things scenes from gossip girl scenes from the simpsons scenes from everything teen films everything it's such a good film it's such a weird film but such a good film can i just crab onto that i'm thinking i've also this is separate i wasn't even going to bring this up i have started Sex and the City we watched last night, watched part of six episodes. Anyway, I'd never noticed this before, but you know the bit in Mean Girls when they're going, I hate my boobs, I can't remember what they say, and then Katie goes, I have really bad breath in the morning. There's a scene in like the first episode of Sex and the City when Carrie Miranda and Charlotte are saying like, oh Charlotte's like, I hate my thighs and

Carrie says something. They all look at Samantha and she's like, and they're like, come on. She's like, sorry, I just don't hate anything about myself. And I was like, oh my God, they copied that scene in Mean Girls. I remember that now. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. So Carrie, everything is also from that carry as well. Everything is Carrie content. Everything is Carrie. Do you know what though? I'm really excited that you're doing horror.

Because I love horror films. I'm a huge, huge fan of horror films. I've got absolutely no aspersions. No, that's not the right word. I've got no compersions. I don't know. I will watch a horror film any day of the week, whether I'm alone, whether I'm in a haunted house. I could be in middle of no way by myself and staying in a tent.

I watch a horror film. But I don't ever do any like spooky season antics. So maybe I will. Do it. Do you say there's no rules? There's no rules? My only rule is every week we come back and we mention the one that we've watched that week.

That's my only thing. I'm in. I can do that? I know any of you coming? I'm scared. Can we watch them on Zoom? I'm not very good at watching them on myself. I was as a child.

She loves them. Yeah, the Astro wouldn't give a shit. That's so true. No, I would like to, but I would like to see that. I'm not very good at hot. It's just not a genre that I remember to do, but I will now that you've told me. Now that we are doing it and it's called peer pressure and it works. So I have.

a film that I loved when it came out for the first time. I mean, there's not a link to carry necessarily, but a sort of a link to sense and sensibility in that this was directed by a woman and the reason I watched it and the reason I'm trying to watch more films is I want to watch my films directed by women because I realized I'm part of the problem. Do I hate women? No. Do I act like hate women? Maybe. I'm not watching a films directed by women. The film is Obvious Child, which came out in 2014 and it's a rom-com. Yeah, it's a rom-com. It's very funny. written and directed by Gillian Robespierre and it stars my favourite

I think everyone's favourite Jenny Slate as a comedian who has recently gone through a breakup who has a one-night stand with a kind of very funny safe normal guy played by Jake Lacey who by the way he's playing a lot of baddies at the moment but I just love him as a sweetheart

he is born to be a sweetheart but he has also got the range to play an asshole anyway he plays a real nice guy and they have this one-night stand she gets pregnant and it's a film about her getting an abortion, which not a lot of films in that genre happily. So perhaps it won't be for everyone for various reasons, but I really love that subversion and I love just a film that's like, yes, I am going to get an abortion. This is the right thing for me. It's a bit of an upheaval, but it's kind of not the end of the world. I'm having this

medical procedure. And it's against this backdrop of this like romancey type of thing with Jake Lacey. Oh, it's really sweet, obvious child. Lovely. Yeah, you don't really have many abortion films. that's that's just opened up a new question in my head. There really doesn't feel like there are that many. Why is there not more storylines about that that aren't negative or traumatic? Yeah. That is so true actually. I'm just trying to think.

I just already obviously think of like dirty dancing, but I can't really think of any. But still a trauma one, right? Yeah. Yeah. I guess America is a difficult time now. It is really, 2014, there was reason to hope. 2026 is a little bit more dicey. But it's so, because, you know, it means something different to,

all kinds of women, all kinds of partners and couples and single people. But there are so many cases where it's just like this where it's like, this is kind of expensive and a little bit annoying. But ultimately, I'm okay. I'm fine. I can still do a bit of romance. Yeah. I actually, weirdly on the week I was talking to a friend about this,

we were like, I think that is the most, that was my experience. Like when I was in it, because of the hormones, it was awful. And then literally it's like I just don't think about it. Like I do not have a remotely traumatic or even like emotional relationship to the fact that I had an abortion. And I think a lot of people, because also a big population of the abortion havers are people that already have kids that are like, fuck, I can't have another one. And they're in

a like a comfortable situation because they're married and they're happy and it's like kind of like a routine procedure. There is there is a big, I think it's good to know that those stories exist on the flip side. I can't remember. There was a really funny tweet that was like obviously no one's like, come on girls. Let's go have an abortion for fun when everyone was kind of like going nuts about women being flippant about whatever. Like it's, it's tricky because it can be. I also then know people have horrific experiences. But yeah. Absolutely. It's all the spectrum and it's nice to have, I think media at this point in the spectrum. And it's very, I think It's very, very funny. I think Jenny Slay is a little dreamboat. And I really, and I was like,

oh, I'm going to watch lots of films by director by women. And then I started watching, because I was on a rom-com kick, I started watching Waitress, 2007 with, I forget her name. She's fantastic. She's married to Matthew Reese. Oh, Matthew Reese. She was in the Americans. I'm thinking of J-Lo. What am I thinking of? No, made of Manhattan as what I was thinking. Made Manhattan. I mean, that's a fantastic film. I don't think that was directed by one. And then I was Googling that. And the director of that is a woman. She stars on it and she was murdered. And I was like, God, Jesus fucking Christ. In real life? Yeah. And I just, I'm going to finish the film. I think it's really wonderful. I wasn't really sure because I basically googled it. I thought Waitress was an already

existing musical. And so they'd made this like straight version of the film. But she had written and she'd created this and then since it's become this Broadway smash hit. And anyway, she is a really fantastic director called Adrian Shelley, who is sadly passed away. But Waitress, again, really enjoying that. So probably behooves me to say, if anyone has any recommendations, of just like favourite, they don't have to be, Palm Door, Sundance-winning films. I really will watch some delicious trash as long as it's directed by women. I have one more thing I really, really want to recommend, which is Dylan Moran on Adam Bxton's podcast. Dylan Moran is the Irish actor that is in Black Books, which is a show that I think I recommended on the pop last year.

It's like a sitcom. It's on Channel 4 and it's about this Irish guy that runs this this bookshop. I find it so funny. Anyway, he's like, I think it's the only time he's ever done a podcast part from when he did Mark Marron. He couldn't remember doing it. And it was like years ago. And he just has such a fantastic way with words and such an amazing attitude to life and the way he speaks about his experience of, I don't know, it just, I found it really enriching and enlightening. And I found it such a good conversation. And I think our listeners would really enjoy it because it's so funny. He's talking about, he's like, wellness, no, fuck no.

But then he like says really, it's like, he's kind of encouraging how to live an enlighten life in, and it almost is optimization, but it's not. It's like the antidote of all the ways we're told to live our lives. He's like, no, go out and be in another world. Don't go on your phone, talk to people. Just, but he's just so funny. I was just really, really loved it. Oh, that sounds good.

You're my only portal into knowing when Adam Buxton drops a podcast episode because it's so, the timings are here there every. where I only hear through just like a pigeon call through you. He has just started his new series, hasn't he? Oh, I see, okay. Are they every week? I think, well, I don't know how we, I just realized that he had nothing for a while. He had a Q&A.

And then he just, 28th of September, an episode came out. I forget who it was with. And I went, should I get excited? Is the new series a common? But I know someone who's going to be on it. And I'm very excited to hear their episode. Oh, okay. You know who it is.

Yeah. Beep that one out. Oh, my God. I know. You'd think. So I'm very excited to hear that. That's fun. I love old men of comedy, don't you? Men of a certain age of comedy, sorry.

Oh, me too. I want to watch. I want to watch Black Books again now. I've just Googled Dylan Moran and he's not been in much. He was in a TV show on the BBC with Morkana Robinson, who I also adore, that ran from one series called Stuck in 2022. But I just don't see him. Yeah, I don't know what he's actually doing. I think he's right. I guess he's writing stuff. I think he does comedy still.

Yeah. But he's great. He's really good. Oh, wait. Sorry. No. before we go, I have questions. I have questions. Beth, you've been watching younger. Yes. Are you loving it? The pace it comes out. It's so infuriatingly correct and fine. I love it. I just love, love it. I think she is so, she's so gorgeous. And I'm like,

are we hinting at a kind of a bisexual lesbian storyline? Don't tease me. I didn't finish. I'm finished episode three yet. Because there's only three episodes. Is that right? I think we're talking about a different show. Oh, wait. With her talking about two different shows. Oh, you're talking about youth. Somebody's talking about younger there. What I used to call it younger early? I'm so sorry. I'm talking about. Oh, sorry.

I got so excited. You were. Oh. Are you not watching the show that I recommended last week? Not yet. No, no. I'm literally about to start it. I literally about to start it because somebody messaged me about it.

And you weren't lesbian story lines? And there's also, like, it's been on since 2015. There's like 300 episodes. John's like, when is this is going to end? I watch it while I'm cooking and he's like, honestly, please turn it off. I love it. Oh, my God. So rude.

Ruchero, did you hear what she said there's no lesbian storylines. Forget it. Oh, fuck that. No, sorry, there is. She lives with a lesbian who has a own lesbian storyline. Sorry, I didn't say that. I'm back in. Back in the room. Fake news. I'm sorry. There are lesbians everywhere. Ritira, because they do the really funny joke as well, they were like, what does a lesbian bring to a second day? And they both go, a U-Haul. Nice.

So wait, Ritra, have you started watching younger? No, but I'm literally about to. I've made space in my calendar. I'm going to start. It's such a funny as you watch. You need to watch it also. Hillary Duff's great. Anyway, sorry, you completely forgot to watch episode three. When did that come out? I watched it part of it this morning. I haven't finished it. So it could have literally been yesterday, but I feel like we're well overdue a fourth episode. Sorry, are they not coming out in batches of two? No, it's one episode a week.

The fourth one came out on Monday, I think. Okay. Right. Oh, it's going to be a long old week. But that is also very good. And I feel that there's a little tinkling of something sapphic over there. But that could be wishful thinking. We can hope.

So this week, the 27 Primavera lineup was announced. And I don't know about you. I looked at the many women, the many incredible artists of our time that have been announced, Phoebe Bridges, Haley Williams, FK O'Twigs, Robin Adela, Caroline Polichek, and I thought, seems to be there's a bit of a sad girl, pop girl vibe here. Did you guys think this? What do you think of the lineup and does it appeal to you? What appealed to me was I saw a video of Duolipa, Pedro Pascal, what is her name,

the really funny comedy actress, and then Nicole at the end, singing Adela's song and it goes to I'm so Nicole. Did you see that? Sorry, this is just my Oh, I did see this actually because we've got the same algorithm basically. I didn't see that. What's the woman that I'm talking about

that's really, really famous and I should know her name and she's in bridesmaids. Tina Faye? Oh, no. No, you're talking about, are you talking about what's her name's wife? Paul Thomas Hanson's wife.

We're going to narrow it down. Paul Thomas Hansen's wife, she is called, she's amazing. She's also in bridesmaid, she's also in The Good Place. She's also in everything. You're not talking about Maya Rudolph, are you? No, no, no.

No. Oh, right. Well, sorry. We were wrong. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. Kirsten Wigg, Kristen Wigg, Kristen Wigg. Kristen Witt.

No, no, I don't think so. Actually, no, wait. Let me look up the Pryth-Tales. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's like we're doing this from the past. We've got the telephone directory out. Sorry, no, it is Kristen Wig.

I was thinking about Kristen. What's the other Kristen? I said nobody wants this. No, stop introducing new people. Don't say any more names. No. So it was Kristen Wigg, right, it's Kristen Wig going every single night. And then Pedro Pestal goes, I hope that my tits are sitting right.

And then do us, there's something else. And it turns and it's Nicole Gibman. Oh, I love that. It's cool. That's Adela song, is that right? That's the only thing I think I know from Adela. I do think that. She's great, apparently. Yeah, I like her.

I think we should know about her. Guys, not to say that everything is Katzai, but everything is Katzai. You know that she came from Popstar Academy and she was destined to be in Katzai. And then they let her go stupidly, foolishly. and she has become arguably bigger, bigger than Katzai. She's popping off. She's excited. She's 22 years old.

I hope she's being looked after. Will you be going to this festival at either of you? If I get a good cash flow in the next few months for no reason, then yes, I'll go. At the minute, do not have plans to go, but I will be switching off my phone during the week of this festival to make sure that I don't feel upset. What about you, Beth? Wasn't it last year at Pre-M-M-V-I mean, I've never been to Pruevara. It doesn't seem like something. When are the tickets on sale, anyway?

because I missed the Dastonbury tickets. I work up four minutes later and obviously on two bars. Were you going to try and get them? I was, but I need to appear a part of a group because I was trying for other people. I know in my heart I knew I'll get these for other people, but just know when it comes time to resell, I'll be putting that back in the thing. But no one I knew got them. No.

It's the two bars of hell. I was like, I'm so bored. I think they've made it harder as well was my understanding that they've like changed some of the things with the process when you log in to get a ticket and to try and stand in that makes it harder for those big, massive groups of like 50,000 people trying to get tickets all together, exactly. Which is maybe a good thing. I wouldn't too fast, to be quite honest, but I just, I miss, I want to go to Green Man, I miss those tickets, I'd probably get resale on those, but has, have Prima Vera tickets gone on sales? Should I even care? Should I even think about going? I think they go on shortly and I think they are easier to get. And I think the no camping thing is two divas in the same camp as me, pardon the pun, who don't really love the festival lifestyle. think it's one for the city girls i think it's one you walk in get your drinks you go back to your

hotel or air bambi that's your version of a festival that does sound nice actually barcelona i saw ed campbell doing a bit of stand-up where he was like i hate camping like why would i sleep in a bag i'm not shopping i'm a boy and i was like that's really true why would be sleep in a bag and it's yeah in barcelona maybe i mean i feel like our producer fay potentially will be going there i also quickly wanted to correct something because did we say, I might have said this and you might have said no, you're wrong. But didn't we say that Mighty Cyrus never's done blasphemy because lo and behold my algorithm

then I got off the record and got served video of her crying, I think. Someone also commented to correct this as well. Oh, I am sorry everyone. Apparently she did at the year that her and I think she literally just got divorced from Liam Hansworth. Oh, I bet that was so good. I think divorce spirit really spices up a pop

pop girl's performance. Sorry to say but sorry, Adele. Yeah, that's so true. No, true. Wait, she must be due a new album, because how many years has it been? I think she is. She's been doing a little bit of press, or maybe actually I lied. I think I made that up. Oh, anyway. You mean she's just been outside. I think you mean you've just seen her somewhere. I think I just saw her and it went, ooh, album tingling. But yes, the last one was 30. Four, five years ago? She used to get divorced, is all I'm saying.

Was hello, four years, five years ago already. I thought that was two albums ago. Oh, what was the last one? God, were not music correspondence. Can I say something about festivals? I thought this year it was the weekend that Glassmarie would have been on and it was 37 degrees in Somerset and I thought that weekend I was melting somewhere in London probably I thought what are we going to do about that if there's another record-breaking summer

because surely that is health and safety like what do we do about festivals in the age of extreme weather even Primavera I think did get maybe that was just a regular or rainstorm but that got a day of that or part that was cancelled for storms now what did you do? Oh yeah. I don't know. Yeah, because the rain, weirdly, is easy.

If it's really, that is when people die when it's really hot. Because then it's like, what do you? You couldn't have had on that weekend. That was punishing. I've always had nice glass and breeze, but that would have been melted wally boots at dawn. I'm too scared about this heat. I can't do it.

It's really scary me. And thank God it's cold today. I actually moaned for one minute earlier. I went, it's so cold. Then I went, wait, no, that's good. No, I'm pleased. I've had to put thick socks on. Because I've been walking, it's October and I've been in the park,

sweating in a t-shirt and shorts. And I don't like it. No. Because people are AI generating friends. I'm going to put it out there. Chat BBT, you've seen that video for that woman that's pretending to be someone. It's like, a second impression of people that use chatcheebt.

And she calls it chat BBT. She's like, chat BBT. Oh, yeah. Somebody farted in here and it wasn't me. Who was it? And it's very funny, listen, I'm saying nothing. She can take those hits because I wouldn't know it, but it was very funny.

And it's because of people who are doing that. It's not going to snow again in our lifetime. Don't say that. I think it might do the thing where it goes really extreme. I think we might have a really cold. I think it's going to go. It might snow, but it might be like,

you know, and day after tomorrow when it's like an ice age. Well, you did send a link to the group, which I've yet to open because I was doing my eyebrow routine, about some sort of London blizzard. We've got a stockpile because it's the end of the world again. But listen, I don't obviously live in London currently, but I would like to know.

What's coming? What's El Nino? Yeah, can you give me some context? I don't understand what's going on. I think I just read the headline, but it was in the metro, and it was basically like Londoners might have to stop her for three days as El Nino comes in. It's some kind of, I don't want to say it's a tornado, but it's something in that genre of weather. As Godzilla El Nino develops.

Okay, predicting a warm of the normal autumn ahead of Godzilla El Nino. This is the standard. A new long-range weather prediction from the Met Office forecast above average temperatures and changeable weather patterns throughout late October and early November. It follows one of the warmest September since record began in 1884. There's a polar vortex. We might be disrupting the Arctic polar vortex. I don't know what that means.

Austria. Yeah. So we need to prepare for potentially sphere weather, such as keeping emergency food supplies for up to three days. I mean, I basically did that. When it was really hot, I didn't leave the house. I told you this. I ate cheese, two, six. I was so scared of leaving the house case, Astra died.

But then we probably were like more likely to die in the flat because it's so. Well, look out for it. for this everyone and look up for your friends and neighbours and dogs. Do we have any good news actually since I brought that up? The best news is that Celebrity Traders is back. Tell me, are you locked and loaded? Are you up to date? Have you watched both episodes? How are you feeling about the cast? Richerra, I'll start with you. I absolutely have. And I forgot how stressed it makes me feel physically when they're at the roundtables or when they're doing the banishments. My adrenaline is sky high. why I just respond so dramatically to other people in a scenario that has nothing to do with me,

that's not even live TV. Do you guys get this stressed? I'm loving it, by the way. I'm loving all the drama. Richard E. Grant is, I don't even know what to say. He's beyond words. He's beyond communication. Whatever he's doing is the most insane attempt at playing this game I've ever seen. But do you guys get as stressed as I do. Oh, God. I react to things happening to other people on screen in safe environments as though I'm being chased with this beer. I've always been this way. For some reason, this series already has made me cemented in my heart that I can never, ever go on this show. There's nowhere in how. Even if we become celebs. Just to clarify, for no one listening to this, we're recording this prior to this week's crops. We've only

have those two episodes. So by Friday we'll have episode three and then by the evening we'll have episode four. If you're completely behind, don't have a watch. You can skip this. But like there's no spoilers because everything's in the future. Just let everyone know. Can I do a spoiler? Because what I was about to say was, James Acosta just and also Richie Grant they won't say I'm a fake so they're pissing me off I think this what's making me anxious is like they can't lie so they're trying to they're trying to do it without actually saying the thing so James A Costa just said the actual thing he literally said I am a traitor but I think if he'd immediately gone if he'd immediately I've said that going

joking then but it was the fact that he then won't he's like well it was just me but he's like not once gone obviously I was taking the piss if you just went obviously I was joking everyone right, it's because he then artists his reaction, but they all are making me really anxious. And I think it's because, I don't know, Joanne's making me anxious that she bloody is going so hellful leather on... She's going to be next to go.

Let's we make our prediction on... We've left it in the middle of a round table. I believe that is to eke out Richard E Grant time because unfortunately he has definitely, definitely gone. And they went, we can't get him out in the... We need to have at least three episodes of Richard. Sadly, I agree. He's out of here.

I agree. And also, even from a gameplay point of view, he's just completely ruined the game. Like there's no way to get past it unless they cut him out and then they can actually start the game in a more coherent way. Unless he's just around all the time, they'll all be talking about that one thing over and over again. I love him and I love that this has happened,

but I also hate it in a way. So I'm not sure. I think they've shown us all the people that have been really strongly believing that it's Richard Graham, but don't think that there's a massive cast and we've actually not heard from loads of them yet on the round table. So I almost think it's the opposite.

I think they're setting it up for it to be so obvious that they're all going to vote for it, Shee Grant. But I think there's... Oh, interesting. I wonder if there's going to be like another name. Or there's going to be someone else. Well, because there's... Well, Joanne, I guess.

They love saying about Ross Kemp. Can we talk about Ross Kemp? The paranoia in that one man. He's literally vomiting out paranoia in every second. So essentially, during the first task, Bella Ramsey runs, puts the sailor cap on Ross Kemp's head. They were literally trying to be friendly, I think. think? Yes, I think something called kind, fun, generous. I don't know, something positive perhaps.

The way Ross Kemp recoils, again, later that evening, Leanne walks past him, he looks like he's cold. She just brushes his elbeins like, oh, are you chilly? He recoils, he snaps back and he just, his face blanches. And you can tell that he is essentially just locked in this room of paranoia in his mind. he's having the worst time ever. I think this is worse than Guantanamo Bay for him at the moment, the way he's feeling about everything. It's just because of how the game operates and you know there's all these kind of behind the scenes things the traitors are up to, he's come in knowing all of that. And even beyond the fact that it's just day fucking one or day two, he's going to be going crazy, I think, imagining that every single thing is a coded message. He's probably

been to Guantanamo Bay as well in one of his BBC two shows. But it's so true. It's so. traumatizing because you can just embarrass yourself in so many ways. Like he's so embarrassing. I would be like that. I would be so, if I was a faithful, I'd be so loud and wrong about who I think is doing something wrong. I'd be like Ross Cam, assumed that everything was about me. I would get really anxious about who's bitching about my back. And then if I was a traitor, I would just find it so I can't actually believe the more I watch the show, the more I can't believe that people can do it. I would just go so red. And I don't know how they don't slip up. You know, and there's like instances where they can say

something. I would just get it wrong. I just don't know how they don't do it. I just, also, they would have done me for the Leanne thing. I'm always, I actually just put lip-lender on now. Why? We're in the middle of a podcast. I'm always touching my makeup. And we do record these, but it's mostly an audio media. But I'm precisely the same.

And I think in this case, people are sort of going like, oh, is this microaggression, is this? And I think it's just a case for the first time early on. They're going, what's tangible evidence? Yes, it might be completely loud and wrong, like the makeup clue. the fact that Leanne's about to go home and she actually is going home. She's not a traitor but they're like, oh my gosh, she's putting on. She must be going to the turret for more camera time. At least it is based on something more than just like vibes. And Richard's flip up.

They are honing in. I think these are much better. This is a good crop of faithfuls, I think. So good. Although, I mean, not to get into it, but you know when people are like the theory that it's actually so much better to keep in traitors that you know are traitors and work on people that you are suspicious of. So they should keep Richard in basically till the end. and then go, sorry, you're a known quantity. But anyway, I'm sure Hannah Frye, who is a mathematician, knows all of this, and it's probably driving her nuts. I mean, I want to hear, we've heard a bit from her.

Sharon Rooney, we're hearing a bit more from as well. There's a few people that I'm just like, oh, what does it mean that we're not hearing from them? Are they going to come in later? Does it not matter? Like, the edit tells us a lot, and I'm trying not to read into it, because I want to be shocked and appalled and surprised. Michael Sheen's not really said anything, but I just think whether or not that good, this cast, one of my favorite bits was Robbuckett, Romishvang and Nathan and Jerry Hall,

just having an absolute lollicopter on the sofas. That was, it's so good. And I can't believe my harla. I feel like, I feel a bit like starstruck that we have Mahala in the show. I agree. She's such a British non, like she basically is a British baddie. Like, oh, we have to claim her. And I think she is willing to be claimed. Like, everyone's like, she's the most British, non-British person that's ever existed. She's one of us. But yeah, if I was in that, I would do what Julie didn't go up and go, I just love industry. I just love you so much. I wouldn't be a fellow celebrity.

I would be a fan, even though Judy's a legend. I know. That's the thing. They're all legends. It's kind of crazy. I was really devastated that Amal Rajan was the first guy to leave. I actually felt really sad and a pang in my chest because that first situation that the traitors were put in, which has basically revealed themselves to two faithfuls, they then have to get

the two faithfuls to beg to become a traitor, which is a hilarious setup, the person who loses then is killed. They pick two people that I thought if either of those people leave, I will be devastated. And then when it was a mole, I just thought, I already feel like this game has changed dynamics without him in it because he adds such an interesting perspective of like, he's the hound dog, you know, he asks the questions, he's a journalist. I thought there was such a good dynamic with him. So I was really sad about that. That is really hard on the celebrity one because who already invested in the characters, like in the far, in the normal one, it doesn't really matter if you believe.

You don't know. Yeah, I don't know who you are. So it doesn't really make any difference to me. I just can't get over the fact that one, Maya Jama is our age. And also I did look up her big coat that she had on the round table. And it is £600. So I can't buy it. The Sesame Street Star one or the bag one.

Yeah, the big shoulder, the big chocolate moh. The big, it's amazing. I mean, yeah, so I only did drop this in our group chat. She went, Maya Jama is 32. Not when she looked any older than 32 is what I said was she has the career from a much old woman. I just thought, things are fine. Things are fine, actually. We've looked to feel thankful for all of us, but fucking how that took the wind

down my sales. Do you know what? I think I've never even considered her having an age. She's so beautiful, so perfect. She's just kind of always been around. And then to have that context of her being my exact age, I find really offensive. Like, she's just my ajama. I don't like that level of humanity being described to her. Because as far as I'm concerned, this woman, like, she's too, like, it's actually like, oh, Oh, no, don't give me something like to measure myself against. I don't want to be, I don't want to be able to compare myself.

No, she was unreal. Sorry. And also everyone seems really nice. Anyway, what a great show. Truly, but different strokes, different folks, many ages on this. And I do think there's a lot of cast members on this that have had there. I think Miranda, like people doing careers in different ways, all fantastically gorgeous. And one thing, speaking of gorgeous, since I've been watching everything about traitors on my social media.

and now I cannot move for James Acastle Horny Edits. I was going to say this. I should go, wow, wow. And I think he's a lovely looking man. And I think he's a fantastic comedian. But I hadn't quite looked at him that angle. And now my few page is convinced that I want to see James Acastle Horny Edits, which I might say no.

People are gagging over him. Literally after that first episode, they were like literally doing the zooming into his face and just like heart emojis. Like I've seen so much horny content around him. and it's really interesting what people pick up on because I think he's a nice guy, he's tall, but we've not even seen that much of him. What are people grasping on? I wonder if it's the slightly pissed off energy as well, because I think he seemed quite pissed off that he was forced to be a traitor and this kind of surly vibe. I think women eat up a surly vibe.

I haven't seen these fan edits, but I have to say there was a point in time where everyone, because I do, actually, I haven't listened to it for a while, but off menu, because James Acosta in the last five or six years has got a really strong jaw. I don't. know what happened, but he suddenly became really chiseled. He's been chewing his gum. Maybe he's doing a look-smaxing. But there's been a lot of people that have got a crush on him more. Because when he was younger, he was quite sweetened.

And then one day he was just like a bit jacked with a big jaw. I don't know. But anyway, so maybe the people making these fancams, whatever they're called, I haven't seen them. They could have already fancied him. Feast defender of trans rights, woke on the right side of history. Makes you hot. He is an attractive man. I just, you know, I did think anything of my behaviour on the internet suggested.

specifically I'd want to see James Acres to Horny edits but now, like I say, they're all around me. The other James, I think you were going to bring this up because you said gorgeous and I was like, you're beautiful James Blunt. Yes, got you. Wasn't that? You went on a different road.

I am excited to hear more from James Blanc because he's such a funny guy and he's also really clever. I didn't know he's in the military. What was he up to in a military hole where he was up to? I know, very weird. I think he's been quite pivotal wartime moments. Oh. I think he's in the thick of it.

I don't know what I'm laughing at. We never know on this show. But I really love James Blount and actually really wanted him to play at my brother's wedding. But he unfortunately cost about £70,000 plus. And he's also performing somewhere else that day. So James Blunt, if you are listening, could you just do me a solid and get in touch?

Because we would love to have you on. Just one song. You're beautiful. You know? You know it? Imagine if he played something out. It's like a song you didn't know. Well, I know them all, so I genuinely think I do.

I'm actually a James Flunt superfan. Okay. So the final thing that we want to talk about does come with a trigger warning attached because we will be mentioning sexual assault. So please do leave us here if you need to. So for me on my social media, and I'm guessing for a lot of us, keeping up with this, the biggest story of this month has been the Cornell 7. So last month, a woman identified as Jane Doe filed a civil lawsuit against Cornell

University, alleging that she had been drugged and raped for hours at one of its fraternity houses. The alleged incident took place in 2024 with seven of Cornell's Kai Fee fraternity chapter, allegedly insulting her for seven hours. Jane Dover's 20 at the time, and in her lawsuit alleges that she had been pressured into taking drugs and was far too intoxicated to give consent. She also alleged that the university had not protected her or adequately punished the men involved. Her lawyers say none of the men were arrested and that only two were expelled. The others were made to write essays, attend workshops or serve short suspensions. Doe's lawyer has said that she was traumatised, numb and unable to function or accept the horror of what had happened in the days after the assault.

CBS claimed to have a video of Snapchat messages exchanged on the night of the alleged assault by numerous members of a group called Kai Fee Actives. One of the messages sent while the woman was in the since-closed fraternity house, allegedly stated there was free pussy upstairs. This story, understandably so, has become a lightning rod since the case was reopened. Celebrities have spoken out and many have shared the own stories of sexual assault. I've seen protests on campus. It's just like spread through social media. And for anyone that was, I know I was very heavy. online and in like social justice spaces in 2013, we'll remember the case that immediately

came to my mind, which was the Columbia University case where a fourth year arts major called Emma Sulkowicz filed a complaint about a fellow student asking for him to be expelled, alleging that he had raped her. Ultimately, the university found him not responsible. The NYPD didn't pursue the charges. The DA didn't pursue the charges. And she, as a result, undertook this art piece, performance art piece called mattress, performance, carry that weight. Her senior project, she carried around a dorm mattress, which I think weighed about 22 kilograms. She carried it for nine months. So she said she would only put it down when her alleged rapist had left the school. He did not leave the school. So she carried it until the end. She carried it

onto the stage of her graduation. 16 years ago that was. And I do remember at that time thinking, Oh, things must be shattering at the seams. This whole thing must come apart that was sort of pre the Me Too movement. So years of advancing things forward. 16 years and here we are having much similar conversations about campus culture, rape culture, who we believe. What we do when an allegation of this all hits the headlines, I think it's just disgraceful. I think it's so shameful that the conversations to me that I'm reading are just same. The responses from men just the same disappointing.

Awful. Yeah, I think the whole thing has been really stressful and quite traumatizing. I think reading the responses, we're kind of back to that place of people wanting this perfect victim in order for anyone to be believed. And it makes me think, how did we get here? There was a point when all of us, like I say all of us, people, populist general, were going, like we don't need this kind of basic feminist literature. Literally, who is this for? Who would need to read a book like that or watch a film like this or need someone to say, this. We all know all of this stuff. And then something like this happens where the most egregious

things are being said about women, the most awful explanations of why people react to traumatic instances, the most disingenuous, ungenerous, ungenerous weeds of certain scenarios. And you think, oh my God, did we just miss out a whole generation of people or have we just gone backwards? I don't really know, but I found it quite a troubling devastating. It's made me kind of want to bury my head in the sand and I've had such interesting conversations as I always do in the wake of these things with female friends where we all just kind of immediately understood the situation that was put in front of us and the choices that are made by these women and then we shared stories of our own experiences and times that we did or didn't say things and why we did or didn't say things.

Yeah, I mean it's it's almost hard to vocalize much about it because the facts themselves are so stark and I think everyone has the exact same feeling when you're reading out the messages, the alleged messages in the Snapchat group, I literally went cold. It just has such a palpable physical feeling that it's often just hard to explain what anyone can feel when they hear a story like this and how it personally makes you reflect on things. It is a lot. I was wondering what you thought about the response online.

I'm going to go into the more positive space rather than the negative about people all saying I'm Jane Doe and then sharing their own stories. And I read a really beautiful piece actually in. New York magazine in The Intelligencer called The Post Me Too Generation gets its Me Too moment by Zoe You. And they talk about the mood on campus and the students finding out in real time a lot of the details whilst also still being at Cornell and how that feels. And I thought it was quite beautiful way to understand what's going on that this new generation gets its Me Too moment.

Yeah, I think actually if you are looking in this case for examples of solidarity, and things to be hopeful about. Like there are those things to find. I am Jane Doe. I've seen it attempts at hijacking from there was a t-shirt brand that were putting I'm Jane Doe on T-shirts and donating like a paltry amount of profits. There was a some kind of romance writer also trying to hijack the case to to market her own book on Instagram.

That is very much in the minority. I think it's so it is heartening that solidarity. It's so depressing how many people go, well, here's my story, how many women. But we know that about this. anyone who's paying attention knows this about this kind of assault. It is not at all uncommon. And I was reading, I think, to put some facts behind this, the lawyer for the woman who alleged as she was raped,

so Jane Doe, did an interview last Friday with CNN. And he said, she's under siege on social media where people are trying to identify her. And that he also said that people have incorrectly identified another woman as Jane Doe, which is then kind of spurred this on because it's one woman making the allegations, another woman entirely separate from this who has been had her name put out there as the Jane Doe obviously if you look at the people that are vying for blood here like an awful position to be put in for either of these women and so it has spurred on people going right it's just a it's a moment of solidarity it's heart heartening but also heartbreaking I think it's also like this kind of like age of the docks justice this age of like searchability where people are so compelled to do a bit of vigilante justice. It's so messy and I just think it's people

trying to do the right thing and I really, I have really appreciated seeing that, I think. See, I don't know if I can even find it because what I kept thinking, this is such a bad thought to have, but I kept thinking, fuck, if they find out because I keep seeing these leaked pictures

of this woman that they're alleging as her and I keep thinking, I don't even want to say it, I'm just like, this could be the worst thing she's ever done coming forward because if these people find her and they release images of her, I'm really scared for what might happen to her. And that's such a bad reaction to have.

But it's like when you see the way this is like kind of, but that can't be right. It can't be that this awful, awful alleged thing can occur to a woman. It can't be that the safest thing to do is to not say anything. That can't be right. But at this current moment in time and like you say with all the doxing and stuff, I just had this horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach when I was like, what if this isn't.

good what if no good comes from this and that isn't good either because she is she is not waived her right to anonymity is that right and it's everyone else trying to shield her from the because it's not like the jazelle pellico case where she waved that right to put her face to her and and kind of fronted this this huge movement of shifting the shame to the perpetrators and I think this is yeah I think people have attempted to find her and I have not looked into it everything that I search I am chained is people trying to shield her, which is like how awful that people have even had to take them on. Because in doing so, they're sharing their own stories of assault and lack of justice. And that is the only, that's the silversed, sliverest of linings that women will step in to put

themselves into a vulnerable position to potentially shield one woman who does not want to come, did not want to be named from the worst of the online right. Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. And that's why we have. have the right to anonymity with these cases because they are, we know how they go and we know the level of danger in speaking out. So I think you being worried about her identity being leaked is not you having a bad thought. That is an informed decision from years and years and decades of horrendous treatment to alleged survivors, victims, confirmed survivors, you know, survivors who have literally had their cases confirmed in court, still having their names just associated to

worst memories and the worst treatment of all time that is possible from the internet. That is just completely an informed response to it. And on that note as well, I don't know how you guys first saw this story, but I saw it over the weekend, not last weekend, the weekend before, because the post from one of the student editors of the Cornell Daily Sun, which broke the story for the first time. Their post naming the seven alleged perpetrators came onto my algorithm and that was my first insight into it and I just, that's the first time that I learned about the story. Did you see that post and the choice for them to name the perpetrators, which is very bold and very much debated choice on their part since. Wasn't it? Cornel, our university won't name them so we will or something like

Cornell won't name them so we will. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's complicated, isn't it? I think like to go back to what you're saying about, you know, the anonymity thing. I still think all the time about that to sell pedicoquot and it's still one of the most powerful things in the world that shame needs to change sides. And I think the difficulty with this Jane Doe case is there are so many people who fervently believe that if a woman is engaging in a sexual activity, if she's engaging in consensually in anything at any point in time, it means that, you know, she's rescinded her right to be viewed as a woman who can be taken advantage of that. So a lot of the rhetoric online is simply that if you're someone who's promiscuous,

then obviously this is going to happen. Obviously, we also know that the New York rape laws are such that if you have voluntarily gotten yourself into be extremely inebriated through drink or drugs, then anything that happens to you, you can't not consent. So I think that that is another layer to why she needs this level of protection because there's a lot of things stacked against this Jane Doe that people would like feast upon. whereas there are other cases, I guess, Gisal Pelico maybe being quite a good example

where it's like, she actually, in the eyes, this is a horrible way to put it, but she was a perfect victim in that like, there's no other way you could define. Yeah, a married woman unconscious, what, married women, unconscious, videoed, like the evidence is.

Yeah. You can't argue with that. So in a way, it's awful. It's actually horrible to have to describe it in these terms. But yeah, I don't know about them naming them. I don't know how much that muddies it. It's really difficult because this is, I guess, scenario where I feel like not, maybe just not like the most informed to know about what's fair

because it's difficult when your ethics brush up against or like your morals or your emotions brush up against what's probably, you know. Yeah. And it's due process because this case is now reopened, which is why people are like, huh, they're sort of skirting around it. Like it is for good reason. This is now has been reopened. This case was sort of done and dusted. And what I know he was talking about was this kind of legal loophole, which is New York has a really rigid standard for like criminal allegations of rape in kind of forceable compulsion, incapacity consent, and physical helplessness. So even accused it in New York State was, as you said, voluntarily intoxicated, e.g., took the drugs, drank the alcohol, even if later on it was in such a state that it is

being fed to you, you then cannot argue that you were mentally incapable of consent. I did read that in June, the New York State Senate had passed a bill that would close what is known as the voluntary intoxication loophole, but it's now awaiting action in the state assembly. So it is open. And it's these little legal things that people go, well, the system will take care of it. The system, you know, there are these innocent till proven guilty, all of these things. There are so many other things within a patriarchal systems and really ancient systems that don't necessarily speak to justice. They just speak to a system. And so what people are saying is we need to not just take those down and we don't need to just revisit those. We need to talk about

the culture that surrounds them, which is if a woman has so much to drink and she says, yes, at this time of night, the sense wouldn't prevail at this time of night after X amount of lines or X amount of drinks for any woman, not just talk about this case, but just any amount of women that sense and community and love wouldn't prevail and you wouldn't go, huh, this actually, I know because I'm a human being and this is a human being, that decision might have changed, her potential to consent might have changed. And so I won't. I wouldn't.

I would make sure no one else did. That is the conversation that people are having. And it's not just I say to this. It's such a, it's just ringing through the culture. And anyone I think is not having it or unwilling to have it is just so complicit in this rape culture. Also, to break the fourth wall a little bit, there are things that I'll just speak for myself that I feel about the case and the situation. But there are things that I literally cannot say on this podcast. because legally we are unable to.

The cases open, it's live. The last thing any of us would want to do is jeopardize the case in this moment. And I just think it's really important to say that because this is obviously not our complete thoughts. It's not my complete thoughts. I have much more emotional thoughts, but there are things that I would never want to say in the potential case of just ruining the opportunity for this to go to court and for it to be seen. through. So I just, I don't know, I felt like just saying that, saying the quiet part loud. I also think something that's interesting is the student journalism of it all. And I know I touched on it a little bit, but something that's being picked up quite a lot is the fact that the Cornell Daily Sun really

pushed this story. They push, they push, they push, they pushed, they hammered it for a long time. And that really is the reason why this court on like wildfire. And to the point that the BBC, the New York Times, ABC News, all manner of global outlets are now reporting on this. And one of the big people involved is a senior editor called Siris Kusper. And they've just been doing the circuit talking about the story. And I think there is something so powerful in the fact that, you know, a group of student journalists made this whole thing become global news in a big way. I just, I can't even really say the right words for it because it is just so powerful to me. I think it's so impressive.

And I think what they have done in reporting on this and getting global attention and continuing to talk about it is just so fucking impressive. And also I'm seeing the name Sophia Daser as well, who I saw on the Instagram Plains, Islamify a Muslim student, Cornell and editor-in-chief of the Cornell Daily Sun. I'm so, this is literally what student journalism, which is suffering from the same things that all mainstream journalism

is suffering from in the age of slash budgets and AI misinformation, remain so desperately important. And it is these two, I think 20 and 22 is how old these journalists and these women are who have done something seismic. And I think it's so, it remains just so desperately important. And I hope that they do feel, I'm sure it's absolutely overwhelming. But it's so clear that they saw the correct thing to do, or at least just like the lack of reporting on something and acted and moved. And I just think in terms of like journalistic angle and just effort. and this profession as being something which is sort of so desperately important and just

like stands in the middle of all of this noise and mess and injustice. I just was, I was really impressed to hear and not surprised to hear that it was it was too young women that had worked on this. I even personally have had quite a fascination with kind of like fraternities and even like in the UK have like the Bullington Club and all those kind of things. And actually Katie Brand, who is a comedian and writer, put up a post a few days ago, which I found like, quite sickeny to think about, but she said, I think the thing I've realized is that the point of the violent American college fraternity hazing's and gang rapes is to create a history of criminal activity between groups of men so that when they grow up and are in positions of power,

they all have something on each other and have something to protect one another from. That's why it's necessary to burn it all down now, to stop the pipeline of rapists from college to Supreme Court to president and everything in between. I went to a state comprehensive, and yes, some of the boys were a bit rough around the edges. But I never saw really chilling, callous psychopaths until I got into Oxford University. Posh, rich white boys are a major danger. They need dealing with early. Obviously, that's like quite like a wild statement.

But there was a lot of people kind of like corroborating this idea of a deeply pathological demeaning of women for their own ends and really seeing women as subhuman. And when you read the alleged leaked text messages in those Snapchats, it does make your blood blood run cold and thank God. Sometimes I feel so fucking naive. It's kind of how I felt a bit during the Epstein files and all of those things. You feel like you can't believe that people would do things like intentionally. But I guess by design, some of these fraternities, the culture is probably actually is built on deeply dehumanizing, disgusting cruel practices.

And maybe they've kind of gone away a bit over the years, but maybe not entirely. I also found that extremely dark. I don't know if you saw over the weekend. And I had a video come up on my algorithm from a court case in Arizona of an ex-frat leader who pled guilty after hazing somebody and that person died of alcohol poisoning. And basically the video was of the victim's father doing his testimony in court and the young man who was jailed and found guilty of that crime was just sobbing and sobbing and sobbing. And it's just, it's so, it's so fucking sinister to know that there is a culture around such violence and cruelty and it's so normalized on student campuses and it bleeds into so many people's lives.

There are people who die because of it. There are people who want to die because of it. It's just, it's so dark. And yeah, I also read that Dazed had a piece from Malavika Cannon who said, I've grown tired of waiting for boys to grow up in the wake of allegations of sexual violence that Connell's Kai Fee Fratian. The time for reform is over. It's time to abolish fraternities altogether. And I wonder if we'll get to that point. I'm not sure. There was a case in 1990 at the University of Texas of a violent university hazing, which led to criminal charges involved someone being dragged with a hammer, allegedly around his scrotum area, lit on fire, which involved John Hamm, who's the star of Madman Emmy nominated beloved actor who, according to court and school records, took part in this. I quote, till the very end. That was 1990 and it involves a man whose career really had not been harmed by criminal association with that.

We are now very, very far in the future, almost 40 years post that. And the culture does seem to be very, we've turned to digital violence, but the violences are very much the same. The culture of humiliation, the culture of boys pushing it and pushing it and pushing it, acting like big hard men does persist. and I do think this is a conversation very worth having a video which I saw on TikTok, so on Instagram by journalist and creator, illustrator, Lili O'Farrell.

She names it the Cornell 57, referring to group chat size, the alleged kind of wider network. She says this is kind of an allegation in a line of tech-facitated sexual violence, names Gisar Pelico, names another case, a UK case of boys filming their assault, Maddie Kowalski case involving, again,

non-consensual images distributed among the burn-averse. I mean, we could do a whole segment on the burn-averse, which is essentially burner accounts on social media proportionally and in many cases to discuss college football. But mobilising small numbers of these, but growing numbers of these, mobilised to ruin women's lives, young women's lives. They docks, they docks family members, they share revenge porn, all of these things. There are so many cases of tech being used to basically further the violence themselves. And I think that is a very good point. It's just new angles for these groups of men who I do believe, even in their preteens, have been so often corrupted by the Groyperesque, far right, Andrew Tait, Nick Fuentes, internet, which the best parents

among us often can miss. I mean, there's simply not enough room to talk about it today, but I will say E.J. Dixon is a brilliant journalist who does cover this and she reported a lot on the Burn of Us. She went on today, explained podcasts very recently, which we will link. She explains what the burn of us is for anyone that is curious. She also went asked, how do you prevent this? She says, I think the biggest course of prevention is parents raising their sons, not to be pieces of shit, honestly, to set a clear line and say it's not okay to view women as commodities. It's not okay to talk about women like this. It's not okay to view social media engagement as the ultimate goal without thinking about the lives you're impacting by spreading this

I think it's an age-old thing, which is fraternity mindset, completely warped in a tech age, and people don't seem to be ready for it. And it's really terrifying. Then it's the apathy. I think that's what's so sickening is if those alleged other people in those groups, like how many times of these things happen? How many times have men not come forward to protect women in instances where they might not have been the perpetrator, but they just did nothing to save them?

And there was this video. I don't know if you guys saw it on TikTok. There was, I think the original video is quite old, but it was from Snarly Carly and she does this video where she's like, if a girl found like a guy in her flat passed out whatever, he'd wake up in like a pink fluffy blanket. And then that someone's collated it and there's all these women in the threads have just put up pictures of men passed out in their houses, wrapped in blankets with buckets next to their head, bottles of water, being cuddled, face masks, hundreds and hundreds of pictures of just women finding these men and basically keeping them

in a safe environment. And I was with Chloe Laws on the weekend. and we were just like talking about, I mean, it was just like spiraling, but we were just talking about all of this. And one of the things we came back to is, you know, that Marilyn Frye quote, which is to say that straight men are heterosexual is only to say that they engage in sex, fucking exclusively with the other sex, i.e. women. Almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. The people who they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachment to whom they're willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn,

and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honour, reverence and love they desire. Those are overwhelmingly other men. In their relationships with women, what passes for respect is kindness, generosity or paternalism. What passes for honour is removal to the pedestal. From women they want devotion, service and sex. Heterosexual male culture is homerotic.

It is man-loving. And I always come back to that and just think that is essentially what I always think it feels like the biggest gut punch is like women, really are the protectors and men really just care about each other. Oh, a thousand percent. What's the Jenny Holzer? Men don't protect you anymore. I think anecdotal evidence literally backs up exactly what they're saying like women are protectors. Men will dominate that narrative. It's like who do we need protecting from in the first place and who protects us when we do?

It's so primarily other women. I'm just the narrative needs to change if men do not wish to be part of this shift. You're not our protectors. Thank you so much for listening this week. If you enjoy the podcast, then please do leave us a rating and a review wherever you're listening to this right now. It is one of the best ways that we can keep on going and growing. So thank you so much to everyone who's already done it. You can follow us on Instagram and TikTok and Substac at Everything is Content Pod. And our substacks are now going out on Wednesdays, by the way, so make sure that you do catch up on mine, which I posted this Wednesday all about bloody hell, what are we doing with our faces, loves. And every Wednesday going forward.

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