Everything Is Content - Dystopian TV, Tabloid Cruelty & Hailey Bieber

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

Everything is Friday! And Friday is for content. In this week’s big and beautiful main episode we kick off discussions with the Netflix game show Inside. Is watching already-rich people cosplay frugality for money really where we're at?Next up: why so many stories about the same couple, Daily Mail? We ask- when does celeb gossip cross the line into cruel harassment? Is there even a line at all?And lastly, what’s all this about Hailey Bieber stalking her husband? An 18-minute “documentary” tried to expose her and we have THOUGHTS.Thanks so much for listening! While we have you, a rating and a review would be amazing for us so we can keep making EIC!In collaboration with Cue Podcasts------This week, Ruchira was loving Free Solo Beth was loving liking The Residence Oenone was loving Last One Laughing and The Vegetarian Netflix - Inside S2The Guardian - *** Inside review NYTIMES - Willing To Die For Mr Beast Amazon Prime - Beast GamesThe Guardian - Rebekah Vardy's bid to sell story Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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the ultimate homewrecker and Hayley Bieber's obsession with Selena Gomez. Follow us on Instagram at everythingiscontentpod and don't forget to follow us on your podcast player app. But first things first, what have you both been loving this week? So I watched a very unlike me documentary on Disney Plus called Free Solo a few weeks ago and I've been saving up to talk about it. It is such a good documentary it's about this movement of climbers who basically climb these huge summits without any kind of

equipment so it's just them literally with their hands with some chalk climbing the highest heights with no kind of rope no kind of carabiners to support them. It is absolutely crazy. Have you heard of this? Well, I think I watched this actually weirdly in the cinema, but is it the one that's focused specifically on this one guy that wants to climb? I can't remember if it's the documentary, but I found out after. What is it called the one he does? So the guy in the documentary is trying to free solo climb El Capitan, which is the 900 meter vertical rock at Yosemite National Park.

That is it. I went and saw this weirdly at the Ritzy in Brixton when I was living there. I was on the edge of my seat because I get this weird, I don't know if it's vertical, but I get this really weird thing if I'm near a height, my feet start tingling. It's pretty strange. I was just tingling throughout this film. I can't remember if it's in the documentary or I read about it afterwards, but they then did research on this guy. They scanned his brain and he doesn't have the part of the brain that processes fear? Yeah, he doesn't have the amygdala. Sorry, his amygdala doesn't fire up in the same way that many people's does, which is the thing that tells you you're in danger, something

bad is happening. I would love to take part in this discussion, but I've avoided the film for you solo. Whenever people start talking about it, I actually feel similar to you. I honestly feel, right now, I feel queasy. Just the idea, I saw some of the promo shots. I feel, honestly, I could be sick right now. My vision is blurring. I really, I don't know what it is. I'm not even scared of heights.

This documentary and people who do stuff like this, I feel similarly about them as I do about cave divers. What is going on with you? What are you missing at home? I mean, in this case, obviously, there is a scientific biological reason why he is scrambling up there, but I just cannot. So I'm just going to sit here and try not to squeal. I was going to say, you know how when you very first started smoking, you would do it because you'd get this head rush and then it means that you end up smoking. Sometimes I go on Instagram and I watch like parkour videos

because they give me such a high, because I'm so stressed, you know, and they jump from like buildings to buildings, they're really, really high up. Sometimes just to feel a bit of like a head, like to genuinely get a bit high, I watch those videos. To feel something.

To feel something, even though they really stress me out and I always think they're gonna die, but I've got like addicted to watch, when I just want a bit of adrenaline. You need some kind of kick, kick up the ass, you watch a video like that. I get it because I watched that and I always think they're going to die. But I've got like addicted to watch, when I just want a bit of adrenaline. You need some kind of kick, kick up the arse. You watch a video like that. I get it because I watched that and I was like, why is my amygdala firing up for like a work meeting at 9am when this guy's literally climbing 900 meters and he's just chill as fuck. So in a way it was good for kind of reminding me that

anxiety, my anxiety specifically can be so unnecessary. So it was good in that sense, but I know what you mean. I also felt absolutely sick. And it's that feeling of like, you know, when you watch gymnastics on say the Olympics or you're watching like sector soleil and they're just like throwing themselves up in the air and a part of you is like, they're going to fail. They're going to fall. They're going to fall.

And it makes you feel sick, but they obviously never do. What about you and Oni? What have you been watching? Okay. So watching, I'm so surprised we haven't brought this up, but I'm thinking maybe we have. But I've been watching The Last One Laughing on Amazon Prime. Have either of you watched it? I've seen this, but I haven't watched it. Oh my God, for sure. So I kept seeing everyone saying like, this is the best show. It's doing incredibly well. It's getting amazing reviews. It's British iconic comedians. So it's like Rob Beckett, Richard Ayoade, who I am in love with. I'm also now really fancy Joe Wilkinson, Daisy Mae Cooper, Lou Sanders, Bob Mortimer.

They're not allowed to laugh, but they're all trying to make each other laugh. And when they laugh, they get a yellow card and if they laugh twice, they're out. And I love being cynical about when someone tells me something's going to make me laugh. And then I saw my friends other day, like, you have to watch it. Then my other friend messes me up, oh my god, you need to watch it. I could not breathe laughing. Then I was trying to play and not laugh, couldn't. It's just so silly, but it's real. Because it's like that feeling in a classroom, you know, when you're getting told off, you're not meant to laugh. It really brings that up. It's such childlike joy.

You've got to watch it, Sierra. I saw an advert, literally only like 30 seconds of Bob Mortimer during this and it was him just with the most neutral kind of peaceful Zen expression trying to not laugh and I was laughing just at that. So I think I will watch it. Yeah, and the only thing that stopped me from watching it initially was because it's hosted by Jimmy Carr and I just thought, do I need that much Jimmy Carr? But actually, the spread of comedians is so good and friend of the podcast, I wish, Bob Mortimer, who I've started as a Twitter account by the way. I didn't consult either of you. We're on Twitter now and for a while it was just, we were just following and only me and Bob Mortimer because Ruchira, you're not on Twitter. So I was like, who is the

closest to Ruchira in our hearts and minds? It's beloved Bob Mortimer. That's so funny. No, it's so good. You have to watch it. And then I've got one more for you, which is a book called The Vegetarian. And it's a 2007 novel by a South Korean writer, Han Kang. And it was translated by Deborah Smith. And Han Kang actually won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2024. Oh my God. So when I said I was going to read it, I got loads of Instagram messages being like, it's so weird, don't read it. I'm obsessed. It's about this woman who decides to go vegetarian because of this weird dream and her quite

Machiavellian controlling husband goes absolutely insane about the fact that she's gone vegetarian. I will have, I think, posted a review on my Instagram by the time this goes out. So you can check that for more information. But it's a short book. It's so good. I really love weird books. I really, really recommend it. I'm going to read more from her. Have read. It's amazing. So good. What have you been loving best? This week I've got, it's a what I've been liking this week. And I think love for me is too strong, but I have a lot of time for it and want to recommend it to other people

who might connect with it better. Okay. And it is The Residence on Netflix, which is the new American murder mystery TV show produced by Shonderland, e.g. Shonder Rimes' production company. And it is about the murder of the chief usher, e.g. the head of household staff at the White House during a state dinner. And it follows an eccentric but brilliant kind of Sherlock-esque detective called Cordelia Cup, who is played by Uzo Aduba, who fans of Orange is the New Black will recognize as Suzanne, brilliant actress. She sweeps onto the scene to try and solve this crime alongside a more traditional kind of world-weary FBI agent played by Randall Park. They don't really see eye to eye on things, but they have to work side by side to figure out who done it, where, why. It's very cluedo. It's very zippy

and it's very American, which I think is why for me it's not a love. It's like screwball humor, quite twee, but very well put together. It seems like they got big budget. I mean some of the guest stars in this you'll be like, how on earth? Shonda Rhimes has got friends. It's ambitious and I think it does achieve what it wants to achieve a lot of time. But do you know when something's just not, you're like, oh people love this don't they? And I'm just not quite, it's not quite getting to heart me. But I had a really good time so I would recommend. Have either of you seen it actually? I've seen it on Netflix. I was curious about it because it looks

like it should be really good. But yeah, I think I was kind of done with the who'd done it format. So I just gave it a miss, but glad you recommended it then. I don't think I've even seen it, which is quite bad. It's a lot of Shonda Rhimes is kind of like, if you watch her other shows, you'll recognize a lot of the main players in it. And it's a very good cast. But I just, yeah, it didn't seem like one that we would recommend to each other. And it does feel like more like end of winter kind of like last coolish weekend, if you've got eight hours, watch this. But yeah, I kind of want you both to watch it now to see if I am missing something like really amazing. Because I quite like A Murder Mystery. I really liked BBC Sherlock all those

many, many years ago. Maybe I do just feel like I've slightly grown out of the genre and I want like Severance-esque dystopias rather than like zippy twee detective stuff. I don't know. I do wonder, do you know what? I went to film premiere early in the week and I saw this new film called The Amateur which stars Rami Malek and the plot was really good and it's like a, I love anything about CIA agents. I love anything with gadgets. I love things about people that are really clever, you know, and they like figure stuff

out. But it was funny because so much of the dialogue is so classic spy film, really following that kind of genre and trope. But I was finding it so jarring, but I also felt the same a bit like, I get it, but we don't need to have this much exposition. Some of the lines in it, I was like, why just cut this? Why is it in there? Because the plot was actually really good. They must have spent so much money on this film. It looked very expensive. So I do think maybe there is, again, maybe it's an Americanism, maybe it is following a form, like a tradition of that kind of comedic effect.

And it was funny because obviously you have all the like producers and stars. I see people were laughing really, apparently people laugh quite like effusively to point out they're finding something really funny. And I also felt the same way. I was a bit like, maybe I think I'm too cynical is perhaps what it is. Maybe that's the same for you with this one. Kate Blanchett was on Last Culture Easter's last week and she was talking about a way the filmmakers get away with doing exposition in films and it's called Pope in a Swimming

Pool. So visually they'll make you see something so crazy that you're not even really noticing that characters are literally saying, oh wait, so she just did this and he just did that. Okay, I guess this means this. And it's a technique which I thought was hilarious. That is so good. They didn't do this and that. Something would literally happen and then a character would be like, he just did this. And you're like, okay, well, we saw that already. Thank you. I wonder if we need, we're going to need more and more pop in this moment. Like, because we are all on our phones, everyone is always talking about how media is changing and how, I mean, I don't know whether this is just bollocks from TikTok, but people are pointing out how a lot of the action now takes place in the middle of a

screen, which makes it perfect to kind of cut down to fit like a five by seven iPhone format, how exposition is through the roof because audiences are not paying attention. This could just be like media doomerism, but I read that and I was like, oh, I said I read that. I saw it on TikTok. Do you know what's funny as well? I accidentally, I'm sure I've mentioned this, but I accidentally put subtitles on, honestly, about a year ago on my laptop. They're never gone now. And now every single platform has subtitles. That's making me watch things way more because

I get distracted by the words and then I have to read everything and I'm really focused on reading. So I actually don't double screen as much because it's like in my head, I think I'm watching something in a foreign language. So I like have to keep reading the subtitles. It's in English, but Oh, we did have something else. Okay. I'm just going to say this. I saw something this week and I just wanted to get your take on it. I saw it was on the Instagram of Secrets Chicago on Instagram. I said that Instagram, Instagram. And it's about a cocktail bar in Chicago called Kira Syra, something like that, created by an award winning bartender called Katie McCaw. And it's a drink called the Hot Diggity Dackery or the Hot Dog Cocktail for short. And it features in its ingredients, celery root liqueur, mustard syrup, rum, lime

juice, dash of tomato oil, and it's served with a cut up hot dog, it could be made veggie I'm sure, on a cocktail stick which is dangling into the liquid. So I'm going to send you the picture to the group now. I want to ask, and actually I'll answer this first, would you drink this? I would a thousand percent drink the hot dog drink. Would you drink this with your? I saw this on your socials and I literally showed my boyfriend and went, oh, what is she on about? That was disgusting. No. What about you? Um, this is my dream drink because I love a really dirty martini.

What? I love a Bloody Mary. On my birthday, we went to this restaurant and they gave us dirty martinis with a pickled carrot in it. I was all about it. Beth on our story also posted someone having mashed potato in an ice cream cone with gravy and I was like, that slaps. I would also eat that. And what was the flake, Anoni? Was it a sausage? Yeah, it was a sausage. Again, I was like, I'm really into, I love a savory drink. I kind of like a drink

that tastes a bit like oil, Bloody Mary with more herbs, spices, and sort of like, if you wanted to put some beef dripping in there, I would be like, yum. How many times must you like? You're the bartender. 100%. You want a soup? What you want is a cold soup in a drink glass. We want broth. Yes. I want alcoholic broth.

Oh, alcoholic soup. We should have invented that. That's such a drink glass. We want broth. Yes. I want alcoholic broth. Oh, alcoholic soup. We should have invented that. That's such a good idea. Honestly, if this podcast flops, we've got a backup. Guys, please, please listen to this podcast so we don't have to go into business doing this. Yeah.

The British YouTube group, The Sidemen, are back with season two of their reality TV competition and this time it's airing on Netflix, which features celebrity internet personality contestants who compete in challenges to secure a prize fund totaled at one million with everything that they buy or do in the house costing astronomical amounts of money which gets deducted from that prize fund and the first series garnered tens of millions of views and that was ad on YouTube Although I wasn't really aware of it at the time this isn't really my side of the internet and for those who don't know the seven sidemen are KSI Simon Minter Joshua Bradley Tobit Brown Ethan Payne, Vikram Barn and Harry Lewis.

I genuinely had only really heard of KSI and normally in relation to kind of like Prime and his relationship with the Paul brothers. That's clearly because I don't know what's going on because they all have like over a hundred million followers on YouTube together. So weirdly though, I'm usually really, really bad at watching reality TV, but I genuinely found this quite compelling and I couldn't look away. And when I switched my brain off, I was enjoying it as a kind of game show. But when I engaged the jelly in my skull, I got kind of like a sinking feeling. Following MrBeast's wildly successful Beast Games,

Inside is another iteration of real life squid games, I guess, minus all the murdering. And Stuart Heritage for the Guardian wrote, we now find ourselves in a weird new world. Streamers have realized that the only way they can compete with YouTube is to open the checkbook for its contents and run it on their own platforms. It's what Amazon did with these games and it's what Netflix has done with Inside. And then of the show, he goes on to say, By depriving yourself of unnecessary luxury for a very short amount of time, you have more chance of winning a life-changing sum of money. Anyone with even a shred of common sense could understand that. However, the contestants on Insight do not have a shred of common sense between them. They're all punishingly difficult to like. Before the first day has ended, these

dimwits have blown through tens of thousands of pounds, and that is before the sidemen start selling them miserable little cuts of Prosecco at 1000 pounds a pop. So quite a scathing review from Stewart Heritage, but he does touch on what exactly is so uncanny about the show because in a time of austerity, housing crisis, cost of living crisis, we're watching people waste exorbitant amounts of money on things like golden straws, which is literally just a metal reasonable straw and bouncy balls that you'd like get a fair for entertainment. So I want to know why you entertained? What did you make of the show? I was initially almost annoyed to have to watch this. I was like, what is going on?

I veered so much in the first two episodes between being like, oh no, I'm starting to see the vision and being like, I hate this. I eventually did come around to it, which I'll get into more of what I liked about it. The Sidemen, I'll say, I only knew two of them. It's a different internet to my internet, frankly. I knew KSI and Ethan because I follow his wife, she's fantastic. And I was like, well, she's got a husband who seems to have this hobby. It's nice for men to have hobbies. So I recognized two of them. But there is a point because they come in at different times in the series and then at the end of the series, they all come in and it was like clowns coming out of a car. I was like, surely they cannot be this many sidemen. Obviously, they've all worked very hard and like everyone who loves

a sideman would be like, yes, that's my other favorite sideman. Got to catch them all. But I was watching it as someone who didn't know. I thought, God, there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people coming into this production. I actually ended up enjoying it, but I will say, I only recognize two, so two Sidemen I recognized and two of the contestants, despite these people being wildly popular on the internet, so many different internets, I recognize Whitney and Mandy because they have connections to Love Island, which is a show that I have watched. Everyone else was like, this is a brand new Gen Z creator on my screen. I actually ended up liking quite a few of them though, against my better judgment because they're all so cheeky, so naughty.

If I was in there, I wouldn't like them. If I was in there, I'd be like, guys, we're spending money recklessly. What's going on? I would be a proper mother hen, but not in a good way. I'd be a mother goose. From the outset, I thought I wouldn't like it. I did come around. They got me in the end a bit. What did you think, Rechera? I hated them all. I didn't like any of them. They were so annoying. Oh my God. The minute

they're all just trying to get attention all the time, it's like- It shows. The minute they're all just like trying to get attention all the time. It's like, it's like, you know, exactly. You know, at freshers, there's somebody in the room who like sucks out all the air in that room. It felt like all of them were doing that. Like even when the Sidemen had come in and were kind of explaining the premise to them, I think it was Whitney. I can't remember who it was, but she just kept cracking jokes like every few

seconds and I was like, girl, wait, like they're explaining the rules. Like the game hasn't even fucking started yet. Like come on. It was just, it was exhausting. I felt so drained. Like, I felt like all of my small extra version was used up having to watch it. Yeah, agree. Actually, that is so funny.

I was that person at Freshers for sure, because I was so insecure. So I would be doing anything to me. And then you're doing cart to make people like me. And then you're doing cartwheels across the quad. It's really interesting. That is why I think I actually was quite a good influence at the beginning because I was so insecure. I was so desperate for validation that I would perform. And I was thinking this when I was watching it. I was like, God, the way that we have to make ourselves successful in this economy is by having absolutely no shame, like you said,

completely depleting yourself of energy. But I would be like you, Beth, whenever they were upgrading their meals, it looked like perfectly reasonable rice and beef. I would think that's delicious, free food. I will eat anything. I couldn't believe that from the get-go, they were being so wasteful. I would have been being so frugal. I would not have bought a single thing. I wouldn't have had a shower. I understand it's the game. And that's the bit when I was saying like, if I switch my, if I was just enjoying it as a game, when you think that actually genuinely they could have won that money and they could have also done anything with that money, maybe they don't need it, but they could have won a million pounds then donated that to charity. I know that's not the point, but that's kind

of where I kept switching between these two things, being like, yeah, I get it. You're trying to get attention. Like one of the guys has a hot shower for so long that it ends up costing like 25,000 pounds or something, doesn't tell anyone else. And I was just thinking how detached are they from, I mean, I don't know. I know it's the concept of the game and it would be a really probably boring show. I guess it'd be like, I'm a celeb more if they actually didn't, you know, buy anything. But I also was quite shocked by the challenges, like the one where they give them tarantulas. I was quite worried about one of the tarantulas. It looked like its leg came off. I didn't like that. It is not safe to put tarantulas. Tarantulas should not be held

very often. They should not be put on heads or hands of people that are scared of them. They're little carapaces. Their bodies are so fragile. And that's a bit I was watching. That's episode one where I was like, I'm going to have to stop doing this because if you drop a tarantula, fling it across the room, you could shatter its poor body. And they do say, oh, the trench is fine. Five days from now, he might not be. So I agree with that. It did feel very like icky and like, I don't know, I couldn't see the vision very clearly there because some of the games were amazing, I thought. Really, really clever. Others I was like, I've come up with this.

But it actually looked like, I've actually tried to look at stuff online, so I got really stressed about it. I swear it looked like that one of the trench's legs had come off. Oh, I got it. I actually couldn't find anything online. I don't know. I did actually go to like some of them and I kind of, because you see their softer side coming out, I could see through, you understand like they are performing, they're doing their job. So that's why I didn't dislike them as much. But what is it about this form of entertainment that you think people find entertaining? Like why is this enjoyable against the backdrop of everything I've already mentioned? I guess it's like brain rot. And they talk about it themselves. I can't remember his

name, but he talks about the fact that he's addicted to his phone and needs half an hour before bed to literally just engage with brain rot which gets really meta because all of these figures are producing brain rot for an entire global population and then now they're kind of producing a new genre of brain rot altogether. It's just mindless, kind of easy, kind of funny, like almost the lowest value denomination of content. I don't mean that to be rude I'm just kind of calling it how I see it. That's what I think this is. I agree actually. And it was like, if I could have, I think, successfully turned my brain off or was a bit younger, I think I would have enjoyed this more, but I kept getting

jolted out because they would say things. None of these people said they needed the money. They're all making very, very good money, quite young. And they would say things like not being funny, but I don't need 10 grand. Not being funny, but 94k is not a life changing amount of money for me. Even like smaller sums like 10k to say like, I wouldn't even notice if I had it. I think game shows, and this might be a retroactive assigning of like a narrative to a time I wasn't really alive for, but it feels like game shows used to be in a more stable society, passive entertainment, people went on them for like a washing machine or a holiday or a car, like a small luxury. Now it's an opportunity for people to have

a life they otherwise can't have or access like parts of life. We talked about this with the traitors. So many of the contestants on this year's UK Traitors were talking about wanting to do IVF, you know, stories where money is not just like a nice thing or you get a treat, but it's so necessary. It's not frivolous. Maybe it's almost easier to understand when people are engaging with money out of a place that I operate from, which is, well, I need it very much and every opportunity to get it, I have to really take seriously. So watching very wealthy creators sort of fanny about and not need it and talk very openly about how they don't need it.

I couldn't tell if that made it more entertaining or less entertaining because it's not funny to watch people go, look, I really want to donate this to a charity because I can't off my back or I really want to have children or I really want to take my dying mother on holiday. That's not enjoyable, but I understand it. And there's like an arc, whereas people going, I don't give a shit about money. I've got loads of it. It also turns out not that entertaining. I just found the disparity in these different shows because it is quite traitorous in some ways, quite alarming. It is really traitorous. You're so right. Obviously, it's got that big brother element of them being in the house. I think it must again be a bit of a generational divide because

I think millennials maybe would find this very on the edge of distasteful, but I think maybe a generation that's grown up with YouTubers and people like MrBeast, maybe there's an element of it feeling aspirational. Maybe there's an element of escapism for people who don't have access to money, but I just couldn't stop thinking about the reality of that figure and that number. But I just think even the concept, even the idea of being able to come up with this thing where you're like, we're going to charge people a thousand pounds for a Prosecco,, 2,500 pounds for a cup of coffee or some Oatly or something. And thinking that was funny. I just don't, my brain wouldn't even be able to engage in that as a concept because I would even feel too guilty thinking of it. But I guess it's always the competition for the biggest, most outrageous

number. And it really did feel quite squid gamey. I guess the difference being like you said that the contestants actually don't need the money. Would this have been a better show had they had people on who weren't YouTubers, who were like characters from the traitors doing this kind of challenge? I wonder if that actually would have made for better television because the stakes would have been so much higher. Like none of them really give a shit about what they're doing. They're all kind of pretending. It kind of feels like the game is just a metaphor for the times we're in a little bit because the game is technically the price of things to save money, but actually the game is to get your attention and to be the most liked person on the show and just like win is like I'm the best kind

of content creator. It's more like a game of personalities and who can capture your attention. Almost like they've shifted the format of what TikTok literally is, an attention economy, driving, watches, engagement, but just like inputting that format onto TV. And it just kind of feels a bit weird. I do think if you had normal people in it, then you would rely on just the format and the format would probably be quite cruel. Like testing people to their limits of how much can you not eat, can you not shower,

could you not have most basic human rights to win money at its premise is a really fucking cruel premise. But that's why when you put people who are just egregiously rich, the real game is being successful at life long term because you're winning at the show. That's the real game, then you don't have to actually think about the fact that the game is probably quite a horrible one at its heart. Did either of you watch Beast Games? Because that kind of is that premise of, I think it's a thousand people competing against and sometimes together for five million dollar. That's the prize fund. It's by Mr. Beast who is that kind of fascinating. I think

I've mentioned him before. He's that fascinating. He's about 26, content creator for many years, has been playing with this format where he does kind of ethical dilemmas, sinks a lot of money into it, locks someone in a room. If you stay there for a hundred days with little to no entertainment, you get to keep the money. Things like that. It's kind of like, what will people do for money as by a rich guy? And he put the show on Amazon Prime, which I think still they're going through some sort of lawsuit because a lot of the people, it's not funny at all, there was a lot of allegations of alleged mistreatment on set, sexual harassment, unpaid expenses, and wages for the participants,

maybe for the crew as well. The terms of the show, it's probably boilerplate contracts, but it's like you are signing up to activities that could cause death, illness, serious bodily harm, burns, dehydration. People saying they did get hurt, people saying they weren't given their medicine on time, it felt dehumanized. It sounds very fire festival. It sounds like the team were out of their depth. This is all in the lawsuit. It says that when they got food, it was like one boiled egg, some oatmeal, people not getting the medication, even after they'd asked three times. And I think this lawsuit maybe is rumbling on. But it's like, that felt like the worst version of this.

And I watched maybe episode and a half. I couldn't get on with it. It felt disgusting. It felt like someone had watched Squid Games instead of being like, great anti-capitalist message, this is a warning for the future. It's all dollar signs. And went, I'm going to do this. This is good. This I could franchise this. I just, yeah, I think the whole thing was really ugly and I couldn't watch that. Whereas I could watch inside, it just had a different quality to it that didn't feel desperate people push themselves limit potentially turning on one another for the chance of a crumb of the host at net worth. It's such a good point that both of you made that even though that's what kind of makes

it so icky because they're so willing to spend the money, it also saves it slightly because at least these people you're not feeling sorry for, at least they can enjoy themselves there and they're having fun and there's no real harm, even though I did think some of the challenges were a bit nuts. But I guess the thing as well is that ultimately the fact that the Saibun have a million pounds to put up for grabs just for a random competition, the fact that this is just going to serve them to make more money is what also just makes this all so meta and dystopian and like black mirror because all that's happening is it's just funneling more and more money into these very large pockets. Meanwhile, the people watching it are not in that scenario and it's just kind of sick

what creates profit in a sick society. The fact that in a catalyst society that it's kind of on its ass, the thing that will make you rich is being rich, exploiting your wealth and creating more wealth off people that don't have money. It's all just a bit, it just feels like we're living in black mirror. So recently, the tabloid rumour mills and speculation machines have both been going extra crazy about one couple in particular and that couple have now hit back. The marriage between podcaster Vogue Williams and former reality TV star and non-alcoholic spirit entrepreneur Spencer Matthews has been a subject of upwards

of a dozen different articles on the Daily Mail just last month, which seems to have spawned a lot of similar coverage elsewhere. The topic of these articles is mostly whether their marriage is ending, whether he has cheated on her in the past, whether he will cheat on her in the future, whether she's leaving him and also suggesting that he has a new close friendship with another woman in the public eye. We've all seen these and Vogue and Spencer have seen them too. And we know this because Vogue posted on social media to say as much. So in an Instagram reel featuring lots of photos of the two of them looking super gorgeous and in love, she wrote, quote, it's with great sadness that I have to let you know that Spen and I are not breaking up. I usually avoid addressing

baseless and cruel rumors, but this just keeps coming up. I usually avoid addressing baseless and cruel rumours, but this just keeps coming up. It's disappointing to see this narrative being pushed almost daily when it's absolutely not true. And much more importantly, I don't want my children hearing these lies in the playground. We're not sure what the angle is or where it's coming from, but the whole thing feels very strange and mean. We're very happily married and in love, and I hope posting the truth on my own platform might make it stop." It doesn't seem to have stopped the speculation sadly and actually just given it a new angle. I think great on her for trying and how horrible to get to that point where you say something.

It's made me think more about the cruelty of the tabloids and the impact of their work on women and families, people in the world, both on the side of the peopleloids and the impact of their work on women and families, people in the world, both on the side of the people that they're covering and also on the side of the readership, which is us lot. Have you been noticing this particular uptick in coverage of Vogue and Spencer? And what do you think, like instinctively, like what do you think is going on? Is it, is this pointed towards her? Is it him? What is going on? What's happening? Do you know what? I have found this so uncomfortable because it's been spinning around the room and I understand the interest in celebrity couples and I am terrible for loving reading

blind items, pieces in like a bit of a rumor. But when it goes so far as to the point where it really feels like these publications are trying to attack this couple and look, at the beginning it was quite salacious. Now I'm like, if he has done something, if he hasn't, it's kind of by the by. She said something and I really think they should be left alone. I don't know if it's my attitude towards media changing, but it feels like a hounding and I'm just trying to imagine being in that situation because even if your partner has cheated and you're in the public eye, I do think that you should be allowed to have privacy around that. And if you want to pretend it didn't happen, if you don't want to talk about it, I think that should be within your realm of

capability to make that decision. And I just think if I was going through this, first of all, even if nothing had happened, would your marriage be able to withstand that? Because you're going to think, well, there's obviously going to be some smoke, there's no smoke without fire. What is there? Is it just that they know that it gets loads of clicks? I just think about for the mental health of people and I like, I like Vogue Williams. I don't really have it. And I'm not a mega fan of hers. Maybe it's because she feels kind of closer to us than like a really far away celebrity. Maybe if this was about Sydney Sweeney and someone whose life I don't have as much as like a parasocial relationship with, I wouldn't feel as protective.

But I personally do feel quite uncomfortable now and kind of feel like they're really showing their arses. What about you, Ritera? I completely agree with you. It does feel like a hounding. I think that's the perfect word for it. It just feels like constant attacking. And regardless of if there's smoke going on, the cruelty behind it is just unfathomable.

As you say, imagine if they are going through a tricky period, which she says they are not. She categorically has denied that's not true. But say they were doing this to a couple that were indeed behind closed doors, going through problems. Can you fucking imagine just every day waking up to several stories in the tabloids,

just like airing your dirty laundry, people commenting, chiming in with their two cents. It's just so beyond the pale. It's so crazy. We'll have these conversations around tabloid cruelty, hounding of women, the fact that it's unfair to target couples, people, individuals, and we just see the same thing over and over and over again. It's so exhausting and tiring and demoralizing. I'm so done with it. I do think at this point, I've tried to really separate myself from reading that content when I can. I know I'm definitely not perfect, but I am going to try my absolute best because they will read clicks, they will read engagement and just

keep going with it. That is just how it works. So it is political to just withdraw your attention from these pieces. And I get it so hard, but I think we all have to try our best. Yeah. I think there is at our age, it's like I had to divest from the Daily Mail sidebar. And for the most part I do. Occasionally I will go looking up and looking for, you know, discourse and to see what's going on. But I think I do need to divest a bit further. And like no smoke, no fire. It's an old refrain for a reason. And like we've all been at various events with celebrities, they're up to chaos and carry on. But often it is just a line we use to excuse the spreading of rumors and being the bad kind of gossip. And maybe that is

just again, cognitive dissonance. I'm like, there's a good kind of gossip and it's me because I don't really do it, but I do sometimes. But I think sometimes you've got to think like, if you're in the fire lighting business as the Daily Mail is, when you say there's no smoke without fire, it's like, well, maybe you started the fire. I think the point is, if people read a few articles, they'll go, well, we'll just do that again because that worked for us. And then they kind of make a profit from that and then they keep pushing and then they pay all the updates on the thing that they...

And they're getting rich off the back of these kinds of stories. And it's like, we all know how the sausage is made and we know it's really grubby and really disgusting. And they do just wonder, especially post, you know, with the Wag the Christie trial, for example, I think we got to see a lot more about how grubby and gross it is. Like I remember reading on The Guardian, a detail that really stayed with me, it was when, you know, a text message conversation between Vardy and her agent, they're trying to sell a story about a footballer who had been arrested for drink driving and they couldn't sell it because someone at the police station, presumably

where he had been processed, had already sold the story to the tabloids. And I think that sums it up. There's so much grubbiness there. There's so many fingers and toes in pies, people trading on the humiliation of others for money. It's just like a seedy, horrible system that is clearly still working away because I don't think even like post-Wagerther, we'd reckoned with it a lot with Harry and Meghan documentary. I think that gave people a glimpse into how the tabloids actually do function in the UK, post-Levison, post-phone hacking. We seem a lot more awake to tabloid lives, but it doesn't seem to have slowed the appetite. Or maybe that is just me getting more sensitive.

I also think it with the myriad articles they still publish about Meghan Markle and often, interestingly, with a lot of these Vogue and Spencer ones and the Meghan Markle, Daily Mail now has a paywall section and often these articles are behind the paywall. So I haven't read a lot of them. So they're obviously doing that to drive traffic. They know that people will subscribe for like the more salacious, but it does just feel like a playground bully running around. I actually find it genuinely embarrassing that grown adults are writing these pieces because there is real life consequences and Piers Morgan got the amount of things that man has done and just walks away and outside, you know, he hasn't done anything.

I don't know what level of their brain isn't working much like the guy that rock climbs. They've obviously got some kind of like empathy or they're literally sociopaths because I don't care unless someone has committed a crime, has assaulted, raped, done something indefensible. I understand that an affair within a marriage is awful, but it's not illegal. And also if the person in that partnership with the marriage isn't talking about it, fair enough, you can have a rumor. But to kind of try and create a story or a narrative, or all it's going to do is hurt those people. And ultimately, they haven't done anything really bad. If someone's breaking a story about Harvey Weinstein, if someone's doing investigative journalism about someone who is actually committing and doing wrong to in their private

lives or in their public lives or whatever it might be, that's journalism. But this to me, I just, again, yeah, I don't know if it's an age thing, but I just find it genuinely embarrassing to see and feel such massive levels of empathy and also fearful for like, I can really imagine being in that situation and being, what can you do? The fact that she put out a statement, which you're always advised not to do, like the PR thing is always don't say anything, it'll go away. And she said something and I kind of thought that would actually make it stop. And if anything, they've just doubled down. Yeah, it becomes quite warlike. I feel like when they think that she has, quote unquote, hit back or clapped back at them. I think it just like triggers them to double down, triple down.

It's awful, it's absolutely awful. And they have the manpower, they have the money, they have so much structural power to just keep going and keep going and just like pushing people to write more and more pieces. It is just a completely imbalanced war between figure and tabloid media. The thing I was going to say as well is just the complete levels of poor journalism that goes towards things like this, they often rip things from podcasts, as you said, Beth, and completely remove any context and nuance. So even when I've

listened to the same episode, I will see a headline on the Daily Mail and just see that they've misquoted a bit that just has completely been taken out of context and is misrepresented so that it completely changes the meaning of what somebody has said to be either really offensive, either really shocking or salacious or just like very revealing about something. But the point is they never said it like that. So I get why celebrities don't wanna do interviews with so much of the media right now because there is a huge section, a very powerful section of the media

that does completely fuck them over all the time. And it's so frustrating because it's just, it's having real life ramifications on individual people, but also the state of the media, the fact that it's so hard to get celebrity interviews now. Why would they want to engage with it? Why the fuck would they want to put themselves through it when they know that there are outlets literally getting off on the fact that they can just completely change what they say and remove the context? Well, they are bullies. I think, and only nailed at that, they are bullies. They are kind of like,

the tabloids are bullies. Daily male journalists must scream themselves to sleep every night. If not, they should. I can't imagine how you face yourself writing things like that, devoting your life to essentially misinformation. Like we're obviously not rich and famous, but with our podcast, for example, if we were, there's so many things you could take out of context and spin without ever actually lying. You could write in silly untrue things, like if we joked about sex or relationship or recreational drug use, for example. That's a story.

And I think maybe sometimes we forget that just because we're not rich and famous, the tabloids still aren't on our side. They're on the side of making money. And they are, they're just big bullies. And I think they rely on the fact that they can tow the line of legality because people typically will not sue them. There's been so few really big libel cases against the tabloids. I

think they know that for the most part, if you attack a politician, we saw this with Jeremy Corbyn, we saw this around Brexit, they will rise above. They won't actually sue you. You can essentially get away with it. They'll squirrelle away a lot of money for a legal fund, but they will just keep saying these inflammatory, mean, dangerous, cruel things, pushing their luck knowing that they won't really have to answer for themselves, which is just classic big bully behavior. And speaking of lifting stuff from podcasts, they often do this to Lily, Alan and Makita Oliver who are quite funny about it because Lily will just say, they've published this, this is what I said, she's quite responsive, but she's also going through

it at the minute where they're publishing countless articles about her now ex-partners like alleged affair. And again, I don't know if it's like a sensitivity thing. Maybe there was a time when I would have read this and not felt so close to it. Maybe again, it's because I have a parasocial relationship with her from listening to her podcast. But I just think the woman is clearly like she's going through a divorce. She's just admitted that she had to go to some kind of treatment, not a rehab, but like a treatment center in order to kind of overcome. She's someone who struggled with like addiction and eating disorder. And you just think what good is this for publishing three articles a day about, you know, his alleged affair, like where are these facts even coming from?

I love gossip. I really do. And I love celebrity gossip when it's like, oh my God, Jennifer Aniston spotted with Pedro Pascal there on a date, even though everyone, allegedly he is not necessarily into women. A little bit of like a, I love a little bit of a juicy rumor, someone falling out of a club, something that's like, it might be annoying, their privacy might feel a bit invaded, but you're a celebrity. You know what? I could shut up and just take it. It's fine. That's, you know, part of the package deal. But this kind of invasiveness, there is no, I don't get that schadenfreude anymore. I don't really know if I ever did or if I just hadn't consciously formed an opinion, but I really feel allergic to it as I'm getting older. It does feel possibly because

we've gone through the multiple cycles of this. We saw Britney Spears, you know, emotionally, spiritually collapse over the fact that she was hounded. I think we've gone through the cycles and now we're seeing it just like become so much more powerful than just, you know, even go for smaller celebrities at this point. It is distasteful, it's horrible, it just feels grimy and grubby. You're completely right. So that leads me very perfectly onto this segment. Last week we did a feature on the misogyny slop ecosystem online and chances are you've seen the alleged Hayley Bieber documentary. I say that all in inverted commas, bolded inverted commas Haley Bieber documentary Those are not my words on tik tok or on YouTube the most egregious example of misogyny slope in my opinion So internet oddities an online creator uploaded the 18 minute video onto YouTube about seven months ago

But it's been reposted countless times on tik tok in the last month where it's been dubbed the seven part Hayley Bieber documentary. The original video has 4.5 million views but the reposts have tens and hundreds of thousands of views on TikTok each so I would guesstimate that it's been viewed at least you know double the amount that it's been on YouTube at this point. It is going absolutely viral. It's done in the style of an online true crime video with stills of string boards, women in dark rooms typing furiously in the dark, and hilarious pictures of Selena and Justin on fire. In it, Internet Oddity claims that Hailey has spent nearly a decade orchestrating a meeting with her idol Justin Bieber. She was a Belieber, which I don't think is a new fact, FYI, I think we've known that, that

is very common knowledge. But the doc says, a then 15 year old Hailey messaged a fan account allegedly to find where he was staying and spent years building up a network, i.e. the Jenners, so she could meet him. The theme of the video is that she's essentially a weirdo who's entrapped Justin and was obsessed with his ex, Selena Gomez, to the point of copying her fashion, tattoos and life choices. We'll get into it but lots of these claims are frankly entirely stupid. None of them really stand up and are factually inaccurate and they remove any context or memory of what it's like to be a 15

year old fan. I just want to say anyone engaging with this or posting videos calling Hayley a stalker or worse needs to just get a life. She's just had a baby and has been intensely bullied for years and I think this whole thing is beyond stupid. But I definitely wanted to talk about it because much like the tabloid segment we just did, I think this is the new kind of iteration of what we're seeing. With that in mind, what did you both think? I'm not very up to date on the whole Haley and Selena thing. I never really was like, I like Justin Bieber, but it's not my scope. So I was actually quite like, oh my gosh, she does copy a lot of her things, doesn't she? Like the tattoo and stuff.

I was like, that is quite shocking. I mean, I do remember there being hate and kind of like Team Selena, Team Haley. I do just find it unbelievable how much media has become so decentralized in lots of ways and that actually more people are watching things like this. I mean, even journalism that's inverted commons journalism like we just spoke about isn't necessarily doing the job in the truest sense and form and that this you could watch it and it kind of did feel like it was a real documentary, like the production value was pretty good for something that's just been made by whoever it's been made by. And what I was just thinking actually that kind of ties all these three

topics together is at the top we have these characters who Stewart Heritage said they're quite unlikable, Rituri said you didn't really like them. But what they do as YouTubers and content creators when that's where you started from at the inception, is you kind of make a deal with the devil where you go, I'm going to give up everything about my life, my relationships, my entire interiority to get fame, money, exposure, whatever. And in a weird way, maybe that kind of keeps you safe from speculation and intrusiveness because you're kind of giving it up on a platter.

Whereas for people like Hailey Bieber, people like Vogue, other people that have reached public eye through other means, they become just fodder for people making up stories and you really have no control over it. So I feel desperately sad for Hayley B. But I have to say though, as someone that doesn't know what's going on, I was actually sort of convinced that she was a stalker. But you've told me off for that now. Sorry, I didn't realize that. But I also think I needed to hear that as well, because I mean, one, I was shocked when I went to kind of rewatch this and send it on for this segment, because it was 18 and a half minutes long on YouTube. When I was watching this this and send it on for this segment because it was 18 and a half

minutes long on YouTube. When I was watching this, I watched it on TikTok, which is where it's been kind of cut up and repurposed. I was watching this on a random Sunday morning. I felt like I was half hours. I felt like I was really watching an actual documentary rather than a fan made item of video. It was made by a fan with CapCut and a dream and no plans for the weekend. I was shocked that it was so short because when I was watching it, it's obviously just video snark. It's not journalism. The sources are actually not shown and people that have debunked this have gone back and gone, the timelines are wrong. The context is missing in the entire thing. You actually are lied to at several points.

But as someone with an allegiance to neither of these women, as someone who, you know, a writer with an understanding of the rigors of actual journalism, I know better, but still watching it, I was also getting drawn in. I was like, well, you can't argue with the timeline here. Well, you can't because it's lies. You can actually and you should argue with it. But that's how effective it is. We, I think are quite discerning because we have to be. It started to get us. I can imagine why people would watch this and go, well, I've got no reason to disagree with this thing that it kind of walks and sounds and quacks like a duck, e.g. like a

documentary. Well, I should take it as such. Whereas actually, no, no, that is the rantings of a lunatic. Can I just say quickly as well, because you initially said documentary, both of you, so I thought this was like an actual documentary. Then you were like, it's on YouTube. So then I searched seven part Hayley Bieber documentary and I watched what I thought was part one being the first 18 minute video.

Then it went next video. So I watched the second video, which was fascinating and actually really interesting about Justin Bieber and his relationship with Hillsong, which I completely forgot about. Oh, fascinating. And then I was looking for part three, so I thought I had to watch seven, 20 minutes, and I couldn't find part three anyway. And then I realized the seven parts when it had been broken up on TikTok. I thought this was going to go on for ages.

Again, what's really sad is at the center of this, as you pointed out, Rachele, like Haley Bieber's a new mother. Justin, from the outside, looks like, you know, he's going through some stuff and has been, I don't know if either of you guys have seen that video, but I found it very enlightening. I didn't know that there's all these, like, hundreds of, like, video games

where you can, like, beat up or kill Justin. And there's, every single time he's been included in, like, TV shows where he's been, like, a kind of character written into, like, cartoons or shows, he always ends up getting killed. And there was a period when he was like, at his highest, that there were literally like internet games that had like hundreds of thousands of players of just like killing or beating up Justin, which I didn't know about. Anyway, that was a whole separate thing. I thought that was the second episode of the documentary. It wasn't.

No, in the TikTok age, a documentary is two minutes and only. We have to all remember that. So I went in hard but you're so right for anyone who would come across it it literally looks like the style of vice docos like if you look at the rest of internet oddities content the way it's labeled the kind of framing of it the thumbnails it is just complete replica really good replica of what an actual documentary reputable site would look like. Some of the other videos are The Dark Side of Bottle Girls Revealed, another one which literally looks like it could be a BBC doc, The Call to Cancel, Dark Story of American Apparel and The Collapse of Kim Kardashian. So I think when you parody real journalism, it is no surprise that

it looks like it would pass a test of journalistic rigor but this completely doesn't. So many basic facts are just completely misrepresented. Like the fact the matching tattoo, that's the kind of smoking gun of the whole quote unquote documentary. The matching tattoos essentially, Justin Bieber and Hailey Bieber have a G. The G is in relationship to the fact that their pastor's daughter was seriously unwell and battling cancer. Selena Gomez's G is for her half-sister, so the context is completely missing. Ashley Benson also has a G tattoo in relation to the pastor's daughter that they all follow and they all respect very highly. So that context is completely missing. I also found that Harry Styles has a G

tattoo. It looks like G is just a very common letter. Harry Styles G tattoo is for his sister. So they're all stalking him. Exactly. This conspiracy goes all the way to the top, Ruchira. We need another documentary. No, but they did. Sorry, not to be a conspiracy theorist. He does say that. He says what the G's are for. I have to say they are in the exact same place and they are the exact same tattoo. That's all I'm checking out... We've got a truth in our midst. He does say in the documentary what they're for, but maybe the timeline's off, but they are the same tattoo. I mean, that being said, I have every white girl tattoo going, so I'm

sure there are 800,000 other white women who look like me with the same tattoos. I have my star sign, my name and breathe and love and 80 hearts. That's what I was going to say. I feel like when you're doing the checklist of respectfully, basic female tattoos behind the ears, number two on there, on the waist, number one, wrist, number three, that we're all going to get the same locations. And I think it is weird, but I don't think that that's necessarily smoking gun. And also the clothing choices. There's years between some of those clothing choices that they've put like side by side. One of them was like two years. I'm like babes are you actually

saying that she can't wear a red dress two years after Selena Gomez has worn a red dress somewhere. Like come on now, come on. And the quotes between them in interviews, I think these are the most basic media trained answers that you would give to anything. Like what's one thing you wish people would know about you? I wish people would know my heart. I think that is not personality. It is just like the most basic thing you can say without revealing anything about yourself. I think, and also, okay, being a 15 year old girl is a weird fucking time. If I was a believer, if I was anyone, you know, anyone's Stan, and I had the

access to meet them, of course I would. Do you think it's possible to sustain a relationship with somebody that you're obsessed with unless you actually have revealed who you are? I don't think it's possible. They've been together now, I believe, six years. I just, I think the thing that is the smoking gun more generally is this is a fucking messy situation. Him and Selena were clearly on and off again for so many years.

I think from the timelines, I think it's very likely that Hailey was in the middle of an on and off again period between them and then they got married quite soon after. To the average person, that is a messy fucking timeline for a celeb timeline. I'm just like, this is just celebs doing celebs. They, they do some weird shit. I don't think it's possible to sustain a six year marriage slash relationship. Unless you love somebody and they know who you actually are. I think this idea that she's entrapped him and she's

pretended to be somebody else and he's unaware. And, you know know we need to save him with this documentary. It's just ludicrous. I think it is obscene and I think also sorry my final point I know I'm ranting final point I remember when Blake Lively and Leonardo DiCaprio were dating it was a very brief period I can't remember when and I remember it coming out she said in an interview she used to have a poster of him on her wall. So it's so funny that they're, you know, seeing each other or either she had revealed that

or somebody had unearthed her saying that in an interview whilst they were pictured together and it became kind of internet fodder and quite funny. I think when you're a celeb, it's so likely you're, you're a fan of somebody that you're going to date. It's so different to be famous dating than it is for us to be dating a celebrity. It just is a completely different thing. They are going to run in circles with people that they've probably idolized throughout their life

because they are both fan and both famous. It's this weird kind of intersection of those two things. So I don't think it's weird that she would be a fan of his and transitioned into marrying him. I think that's probably just what could happen to famous people. And also, isn't that the dream for all of us that we could maybe do that one day? I was going to say, again, another YouTuber who I don't follow, but I do follow his and our wife.

I don't know if either of you know Amber Driscoll. She recently got married to this YouTuber called Casper something. Casper Lee? I used to follow him. So she did. She was a match. She used to go to all of his meetups and she posted on their wedding day. She posted their wedding picture and then like a swipe. The second picture was her at his meetup, like getting a t-shirt signed or something. So this kind of stuff does, and especially in this

like world, it's going to happen time and time again. And I'm sure that loads of like band members married there in verticals groupies. This is the classic thing. Also just quickly on wearing the same outfits, because I did think that was slightly egregious, because obviously we live in a world that's got trends as well. So everyone's wearing the same stuff. I saw a tweet the other day that was about Dorit from Royal Housewives of Beverly Hills, and they were like, oh my God, it's giving recession. She's wearing the same dress with two pictures with his eyes. They're both just completely different. They were both just white and she had the same hair. And everyone was like, that is literally, the dresses were not even remotely

similar, completely different fabric, completely different style. They were just white. And they were like giving me a session and we were like, sorry, can she not do her hair in a ponytail twice? It's very funny. Can I say, okay, the documentary is trash. One thing I think is if it was the reverse or if it was anyone else or if it was him and her, if the fact they were in the same place as teenagers, we'd be like, oh my God, it's so sweet, serendipity, gorgeous. But because of this sinister music, because of Selena Gomez's fandom, because of her positioning as this little witch who stole Selena's man, it's suddenly really sinister. Whereas it's like famous teenager and nepo baby who went on to be a gorgeous model and influencer,

met and then started dating and got married. Fault found in kitchen. It just felt very like, come on, use your brain. Second point would be these hardcore stans in the comments being like, wow, what a stalker. I am so sorry, but you are surveilling your favorite celebrities with the attention of a killer. You know their family tree, you know their locations, you know everything about them, the arrangement of freckles and moles on their body. I think you would be slightly less liberal with the word stalker if that was who you are. I think the person who made this documentary, you are quite sass. And my final point is, I kind of wish, I hate how we, every time we have these conversations and we're like, I wonder

what causes this. It's always misogyny. Like it's like, you know, in the Scooby squad, Scooby D squad with like, God, I don't, what are they called? The spooky squad, the Scoo Scoo squad. Oh my God. I actually don't know their name, but basically the four from, no wait wait the group of Scooby-Doo right? Yeah Velma and Clark and Scoob-O. Clark? Whenever they yeah I can't really remember who their names are. Velma, Fred, Daphne, Daphne, Scooby, Scooby-Dooby-Doo and Scraggy. Velma and Scraggy. Shaggy and then Scraggy-Doo. Okay when they at the end of the episode they're always like peel back the mask and it's a different like white fellow. Whenever we peel back the mask for one, just one time I would like the

answer not to be misogyny. I hate women. I would love it to be like aliens or like something interesting. It's always misogyny and in this case it's just bloody garden variety misogyny why this takes off why we love it so much why it spreads it's bloody sexism girls. Thank you so much for listening remember as well as these Friday episodes you can also listen to us every single Wednesday this week's Everything in Conversation was about the death of nightlife culture in the UK. If you want to talk to us about our topics and help us decide what to talk about in our conversation episodes, then don't forget to follow us at Everything Is Contemporary on Instagram and on TikTok. We love to beg you, but it's important to us.

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