Everything Is Content - Euphoria, Bieberchella & Celeb Snog Sightings

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

Hey EIChameleons, we're back! And so is some questionable TV from Sam Levinson - we get into it, as well as controversial Coachella performances and a little Lena Dunham chat! But we will be discussing Famesick next week so get your copies ready!Euphoria has returned to our screens, with its cast of characters now having graduated from high school and firmly transplanted 5 years into the future, in the wild, Wild West of the working Adult world. Stephanie Mcneal for Glamour writes, 'as I watched a close up of Sweeney licking water out of a bowl and endured a frankly disgusting scene of Cherry and Zendaya experiencing, let’s say, stomach issues, in a car after swallowing the drugs, I had to stop and ask the question: Who is this show for, exactly?’ - we have the same question!Next up! Bieberchella! 'Depending on your level of fandom, the stripped-down vision, with minimal audience asides, read as either radically vulnerable or disappointingly self-interested, The effect was both frustrating – would it really kill him to do more than one verse of 2015 anthem Where Are U Now? – and endearing; many tears were shed to the image of the man singing back to his 13-year-old self', writes Adrian Horton for the Guardian.Ruchira's Been Loving: I Swear, The L WordBeth's Been Loving: FamesickOenone's Been Loving: Famesick, Yesteryear, Line Of DutyEuphoria Season 3, Episode 1 Review: Who Is This Show for Now?Euphoria has become the most toxic show on television'Euphoria’ Season 3 is an unhinged disaster: review‘Euphoria’ Season 3 Feels Like Entertaining but Disjointed Fan Fiction: TV ReviewBieberchella’s Karaoke Set Healed an Entire GenerationJustin Bieber at Coachella review – pop’s troubled prince mostly hits right notes in low-energy setSabrina Carpenter issues apology after Coachella moment sparks backlash: ‘Could have handled it better’Sabrina Carpenter Apologizes for Mocking Arabic Call at CoachellaKarol G’s Historic Coachella Set Included Becky G, Wisin, and Tons of Latin Genres Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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so you never miss an episode. But before we get into the meat and potatoes of the episode, I feel like we have not seen each other in, oh, like a lot's changed since I've seen you both. I kind of want to ask you both what you've been loving, but I also don't be like, how you doing? What's new? How was your marathon?

Yes, oh my gosh. I can't believe I did it again. But also this mask, obviously is completely different from giving birth, but it's like, you know, that thing when people say, you kind of forget. Because my immediate reaction when I finished in Ratham was like, I was like, I'm never doing that again.

I was like walking out and I was like, he said come meet me and I was like, if I take another step, I'm going to vomit. So I'm just going to sit where I am. And then about an hour later I was like, if I did it again, and I'm already thinking about sending out to another one. So they are the weirdest things and like so awful

but it was better than last time. And I think it's like that thing now where I'm just chasing it. You're like, oh, I guess it could be better next time. So it was howl. And then afterwards I basically, eat because I hadn't really been drinking before. And you like the few days before you have to be really careful what you eat for your tummy.

So you have to eat quite plain food. So then literally all over eating for the past three days is I've just been ordering I just couldn't get full. So I just getting platefuls and platefuls of cheese and bread. Wine after wine after wine. And then not last night, the night before my last day in Paris, my partner and I like went out to catch some nibbles at five and we got home at midnight. And what we've been doing is like getting a cheese plate and like three glasses

and one place, going to another place getting oysters and wine. Going to another place getting chips and wine. Then go back to a different bar and getting, and just getting like a meal and a few glass of wine at every place. So good. And I was so hung over yesterday. I can't even tell you. Be honest,

you're hung over today, aren't you? No, I'm actually not hung over today, but it was that thing also we had to check out. And for some reason I booked us back a really late year and start. And then you've got nowhere to go when you're really hung over. And we were just kind of in Paris.

I was like, you can just get back into bed. I just been having the cheese and the three last of wine. So we did the cheese. And then I was like, I actually can't drink because I would be hung up. I was like, I have to be productive today.

because what I really wanted to is that have some beer and make myself feel better but I didn't. We had Diet Coke and then I can't think I was going to vomit on the side of the street by I didn't. Oh, I hate that feeling. You know when you have like half a day before a flight or something and you're just like useless because you have your bags but you can't really have any fun.

I know. So bad. And I didn't really, like we were meant to get up at 9 to go to Notterdam and we didn't do that. So then I was like, in my head I was like we were going to get the whole, we got so much more time in Paris and then on the day I was like we should have just got the 10 a Miorist dog

because there was nothing to be done now. What have you guys been up to? Well, we went to, and we're going to talk about it later, we went to a euphoria screening, which was very fun. We saw Lottie Moss from two metres away. Yeah, I walked in, I was a bit earlier than Ruchera, and it was quite an intimate space. So I was kind of immediately like, I've got to smile at everybody.

And Lottomos there went, oh, no, no, no, I know her from, I've let's say TV and film, she's more internet-based. I've seen her internet-based, and I picked up a donut, they were serving donuts, and I was like, immediately glutting. I was like, oh, yes, I couldn't take my coat, I was have this donut, almost got this donut in the fur of her coat. I don't think she realized, but I was like, I'm getting kicked out of this

before she was even here, and we'd be escorts out little donut handcuffs. It was quite an eventful. I mean, we will not talk about the show until we're talking about the show, but we booted over a drink. I was going to say things got worse because I, then, when we were going to the cinema,

with my, like, you know, reams of crap that I was just holding and, like, shuffling to my seat, I knocked over somebody's espresso martini, like all over their seat, and they weren't there. They'd left their bag just, secure the spot, Beth ran to get like, blue roll.

My hero, my absolute savior in arms, came back with the blue roll and I was like, why are you saving the day? I fucked up and I'm just like panicking like sat here. You were like wiping, I was grabbing wiping. You're wiping the bags. Do you know who then came back? Well there were two people kind of standing waiting for us to finish. We were like, oh my God, we just stopped all over these people's seas, who works and like,

didn't realize it was these people and they're being so polite and patient and they went, you can go by it. went, oh no, these are rc? Oh, no. Cool, cool. Riteers holding this guy's bag. I didn't, I didn't realize. So I grabbed their bag and I was like, wait, this is your bag.

And he was like, yeah, that's my bag. And I was like, oh, sorry. Did they get another espresso martini? I offered and he said, don't where I've got a can in my bag. They were, they were so lovely, but I just thought, oh, we're not getting invited to any. We need a chaperone in the shape of an only. Why are we saying this? We want to get invited to more events.

Yes, we will not pay that badly again. I was really sad. Did I tell you that I saw Lila Moss at Lily Allen. Did I tell you guys that? No. Is it Leela or Leila? Oh, is it Leila? I thought it's Leela. Oh my God, I don't know. But then I've been saying Lena Dunham up until yesterday when I found out was Lena.

Confirmation is Leena. Yeah, it's Lena. So I don't know. So Lila, Leela, she was at, I must have, what happened? Something happened again similarly where I kind of knocked into her a bit. And I went, oh, sorry, and she was so beautiful. And I was like, oh my God, it's Leila, Lila Moss. So the Moss sisters are out and about at these events.

More importantly, why can't we not bump into people? I don't know. Well, I think I'm dyspractic. Probably. I'll do a test later, yeah. You can lead us out of here, left and right, left and right. What have you been loving this week? What have I actually been loving?

Yeah, I want, well, what I want to say is I've been loving FAMSig by Lena Dunham, but again, I mean, that is what I've been loving. Oh shit, that's what I'm going to say that. But listen, I picked it up and I just thought, I'll read a couple of pages. I've got enough work to be at home with. I've finished it. I know, I shouldn't have because I had so much to do. And it's, like, there's no book on earth, I don't think, that reading it all in one go for the first time,

doesn't make you feel a bit like, oh, I've had too much, I've had too much. Yeah. I finished it. I was like, I felt every emotion. I'm so excited to talk about. I think we'll talk about this next week. So listeners, if you are reading, don't worry, we'll get to it. But it is, it's a corker. She really does go there. I'm listening to the audio, but it's so good because it's like all the gossip.

Also, she has this amazing thing of like, and everyone says this, but it's very honest, but it's the point where you can tell that she's really telling her truth. Like, she doesn't hold back from saying exactly what she means. Anyway, but yeah, it's amazing. I'm only going like chapter three or something, but I love the way she's just talking so openly about like the way that Jamima Joe Kirk was on set and she named everyone. She names everyone

yeah because I did see a video of what's Marnie's real name? Alison Williams. William's. Someone interviewed her on the red carpet and they were like oh my God have you seen that Lena's really gone for Adam Driver. I don't think she actually has I think that's been misconstrued and Alison Williams is like well me and Lena talk all the time so I knew what she said about me

was quite nice and like no we're really good friends we love each other so she's obviously run that by her but whether or not her and Jemima I still friends I don't Oh, I imagine so. They seem like the friends that will just not talk to each other for six months or someone will get pissed off and then they will just go for coffee and resume.

They have that vibe. I think all of us have that friend and we just like, listen, you are stuck to me till death, but we could piss each other off. Because they've been childhood friends. They hadn't quite clocked that before. Yeah, they were, yeah.

Actually, I'm keeping on the short of it. We can't. Oh, because I want to keep asking you questions, but no, no, I will park it for next week. We'll have a big deep dive about it. That will be exciting. So that's what the two of us, have you been loving anything else?

Well, the other thing is also. Like, nilpah, is that the phrase? Because it's yesteryear, so there's absolutely no point we bringing them up. Yesterday's by Caracabach, which we will. We will be talking about, and both you two have recommended. Oh, guys, this is crap. Have you got anything else? Hacks.

That will be my one next week, I assure you, by the way. I'm still watching Line of Duty. I've almost finished. I'm on the final season, but there's a new season coming out. How many seasons are there again? Six. But the seven. That's not too bad.

Or is it five? I don't know. Anyway, I'm on the last one that's out, but there will be a new one. For the time I finish this, I'll probably be like, I'm watching. Anything new? Anything new? We can take to the streets and be like, please recommend us something. Yeah, we do need some insight from people. I've got, this is annoying. I've got the L word again. I'm being serious, that isn't a joke. I was actually going to bring that before you guys fuck this up. And then, oh, I've got, I swear, I watched that over the weekend.

Have I watched that? Excellent. Okay, yeah. No, I haven't. I remember. No, I haven't watched it. Incredible film, now on Netflix. Available for everyone. I really, really recommend it. I, my goodness, I was in tears through loads of it. It's so emotional. It's so heartfelt and beautiful. That is just the only way I can put it. It really was an amazing kind of insight into one person's story of having Tourette syndrome, but also this incredible reaffirming belief in the kindness of people. And sometimes that's not your family. Sometimes that can be random people

who just show you kindness and remain in your life and show you kindness every single day, it's making me actually like get emotional now, but it's like, it's so good. Oh, okay, yeah, I do need to. I kind of forgot, I had a made a mental note to watch it and then I forgot. My excuse, by the way, is that I've been training for a marathon. So you bitches. No, I've been asking you. I know, because last week I also had a really shit recommendation, but I was like, those two girls, they're going to bring. my excuse. But you did bring ice well, I suppose good. What's my excuse? I'm, I'm an empath. So the fact that you've been training for a marathon. Yeah, I've been training for a marathon.

Sympathy marathon. I do feel really unculture. I have to. I have to. I have say like especially the last few weeks I just didn't have you just don't have energy energy for anything else I did feel boring so I'm excited to be back in the land of the living unless you book onto another marathon I am doing half marathon but that's not the same thing oh you can't be stopped it's in five weeks but it's not at all the same can I just ask you before we move on what is it about a marathon that keeps people hooked onto it because it just feels like everyone's like you know I want to do it once in my life I want to take that box but it's never just once I don't know I think because it's so what it's such an extreme thing to put itself through you have to really

push yourself. It's like the last 10K, it's like unfathomable. I can't explain to you how much you're like, the last 2K, which you've just run 40, so 2 should be nothing. You're honestly like,

I cannot, I cannot do this. Then you finish and you're like, you did it. I get such a high. It's really beautiful. I don't really know what it is. It must just be something like cyclot.

It's just nice experiencing that much of a challenge and actually achieving it. But it's not nice either. It's kind of awful. Like I just don't, it's from mad. I don't know. I really don't know.

I mean, it does kind of sound like another adjacent different kind of version of childbirth the way people describe it. Yeah, it kind of, that's what I don't want to say that because I don't have become but there's definitely something about the way you forget, the way it's like, yeah. Do you get those little shiny medals? You do get a shiny medal. You don't get that for childbirth, which they definitely should do that whole baby.

No, but I would want a push present, which is one of the only like commercializations around birth, which I agree with. Oh, we could do an episode on that. You get given like a diamond ring. Yeah, I'd like that. That is a nice idea. Yeah. What does the baby get?

Everything paid for the next, yeah. 18 years, fair enough. A birthday, I suppose. You all get one of those. I was going to say, is it worth it? Yeah, maybe not. Well, all right, they're not on a cheery note. So Euphoria has returned to our screen,

with its cast of characters now having graduated from high school and firmly transplanted five years into the future in the wild world, wild west of the working adult world. The first episode centres mostly on Roo, who opens the show stuck in her Jeep up a makeshift ramp trying to cross the Mexico border. It turns out she's a drug mule, swelling golf ball size balloons packed with fentanyl to bring back into the US,

to pay off her debts to drug dealer Laurie, after her mum flushed the 10K suitcase of drugs, Laurie gave her down the toilet at the end of season two. Laurie has calculated that since Rue hasn't repaid any of the 10K dirt, with interest, she now owes her around 43 million, but she says she'll happily take 100K. So Roo then becomes one of Laurie's number one mules, despite also moonlighting as an Uber for extra cash and bringing on Faye to assist with the

body packing, which is the swallowing and expulsion of drugs. Well, you find out that Lexi and Rue are still friends when Rue goes to visit her in a Hollywood apartment. Lexi has followed her dreams of working in the entertainment industry and is working as a showrunner and a popular nighttime soap called L.A. Nights. Rue sometimes crashed on her account and Lexi tries to encourage her to think about her future, unaware of what she's currently doing. This is also when we find out Fescoe, who was played by Angus Cloud, who passed away in 2023, has been sentenced to 30 years in prison and is currently serving that sentence.

In the voiceover, Rue's character says that Lexi's sister Cassie, famously played by Sydney Sweeney, is living in some right-wings of Burthen Bubble. It turns out that Nate and Cassie are engaged. Nate has taken over his father's construction business and Cassie is trying to find ways to fund the floral arrangement at their upcoming wedding. She decides naturally the best course of action is to start and only fans. We meet Cassie as she is on all fours in lingerie with a collar,

tail is and a leash creating fetish puppy play content for TikTok with her and Nate's housekeeper behind the iPhone camera. And Maddie is working as an assistant to a talent manager handling actor Dylan Reed who starts in LA Knights where Lexi works and it's through a conversation between Maddie

and Lexi that we learned that Jules is now a sugar baby alongside attending art school. Okay so hopefully that's a recap of where we are finding everyone. As you both mentioned at the top you both went to a screening, you saw it together. I only caught up last night. I really wish that I'd been there because I think that I needed to have my hand held through watching

this and I want to know what the experience was like, what the rest of the crowd however I reacted to this and exactly what you two said to each other moments after this episode ended because I both do, my brain is both like full of thoughts and devoid of anything. That's

such a funny way of putting it. So when they mentioned Angus Cloud's character Fesco I remember literally grabbing your arm and being like, oh god this is like really sad. And I felt like I'm so glad that I was with somebody else because at home I don't feel like I could have had those moments. One point when Rue was swallowing those golf-sized balls of drugs, I literally looked away and I felt like I might actually throw up because it was so physical and so palpable, the sounds, the gulps, the size of it all. They were really making you feel the disgustingness of that.

The crowd, I feel like, wasn't shocked enough. There were a few gasps at various points. I felt like yeah I don't know I guess everyone was a bit shocked there was like a slight level of shock I think what do you think Beth I think there were everyone was

on their best behaviour when you invited her screening I think you go well I'm going to give my reactions I'm going to ham them up a little bit but it was a few bits where I just looked at which I went oh like there's some real gross bits which I mean there was

sort of body stuff in the first one there was it wasn't completely devoid of that but I was like oh that is like that's poo that is poo and some kind of animals licking the human poo and then the poo is going in the colander and everyone's having spaghetti

I was weirdly kind of just like oh that's really oh I didn't like that at all but when we left I can't remember what I said I think I just went I said something along the lines of Sam Levinson must have been behind that camera with a gun to get Jacob Lordy on that set

not because it's so shot but just because I could not believe that whole cast have returned I also turned to you and I was like I feel like it seems like he does not like women from that episode and that's not an allegation against him

it made me feel like he does not like women that episode I mean the whole I mean fast to go back to Jacob Laudy there was a really good piece in the New York Post by Lauren Serna who wrote Nate's sorry Elodie's so hamstrung by Nate being written bizarrely out of character it makes you wonder why they interrupted his movie career for this

and it's like I said I actually before I'd read that I mess to you both and I was like was Nate's personality like this before. Like he seems like a completely different person. So that's one thing. And I have been listening to lots of people saying like, why have these characters returned? They have become these blockbuster movie fronting stars.

It does seem interesting to come back. Obviously, Zendaya is a producer on the show. And famously there is some kind of fallout between her and Van Leibnson. And so it feels like maybe it makes sense that she has to come back, even though there was this thing about him wanting to make, he initially wanted to make her a sober private, detective or something and then what's come out of that and said that she's like this ridiculous drug mule

who also will come onto this wants to be a pimp anyway but the maddest thing for me is that every single character basically all of the women are somehow tangentially related to sex work yeah totally it's so numbingly

revolting I thought it's like I think that the first season of euphoria genuinely was quite game changing and Sam Levinson has just cemented everything I've heard about him it's just like there was another piece that I linked. I think it was from glamour that was based like, who is the show for?

Yes, I read that as well. And it basically concludes, like, nobody really. Like, it's sort of, like, has become a caricature of itself. A lot of people are writing their reviews. They're quite low-star reviews with praise for the first two seasons.

Ellen Hall's writing, gave it two stars for the telegraph, was saying, like, this was something. It has become, I think she calls it, like the misogynistic fantasies of a creepy old man,

which led me to Google how old, I thought Sam Levinson was some sort of like, Wundekind. Like I was like, I thought it was like 2070s, 41. I just thought, I was young as well. I really thought he was much, much younger. I thought he was quite a lot younger than I was. I thought that was the vibe that he was this ingenue

who, like, created this incredible show. And I think one thing I've been thinking about is the first series, why it was so brilliant. And I read the Rue's struggles are based on his struggle with sobriety. And I think there's like some kind of groundedness with those characters. they were really interesting.

There was so much potential for them. But he just seems to have like completely spun out and making this like modern Western in series three. It's so random. It's so confusing. It doesn't feel grounded in anything. It almost feels like GTA, like if GTA was a series.

And it was like pimps and sex workers and drugs and people just shooting left right and center in the desert. It kind of is giving that vibe to me. And I can't get away from the fact of Zendaya having that moment where she has to quite literally, shit out all of these drugs, you see poo going down her leg and then a dog licking it within 10, 15 minutes of the episode starting. And I was like, I don't know how else to say this. It feels like total humiliation. It does. It feels like he's humiliating Zendaya's character.

And rather than those like really impactful moments when she is like, you know, literally spinning out physically, you know, aesthetically on screen with this drug addiction that is so palpable and so emotional, she's just doing like nonsense. and getting visibly humiliated on screen. It's like the whole show is a humiliation kink of all of the actresses within it because all of the characters, all of the women, even Lexi, who's like kind of meant to be doing well,

she's still not kind of made it. But yes, the thing that I thought was so interesting was like it's really beautifully shot and lots of people talk about that. Like that first scene is very cinematic and Alison Herman for Variety says, such showmanship is nothing new. The absence of a centre of gravity

to check Levinson's instinct for excess, however, is. Euphoria's best attempt at a replacement is a sudden emphasis on the sex trade that spans the cast. And there's a lot of talk about how it's so stylistically gorgeous, loads of references that kind of looking like Breaking Bad, like you said, that Western thing. But behind it, I can't really understand how any of the characters got to that. Even that sort of thing with Laurie being like, you owe me 43 million.

Where is Zendaya's mum at the moment? Like, why has no one kind of, how has no one figured out what she's doing? Yeah. Why didn't she leave California and she sort of, just the assumption that she wouldn't know that she would be found and then asked to pay to kind of, work in this way. Like, just doesn't. And obviously there's whole seasons ahead of us. So it could be that there's excellent exposition. There is a real

arc for why Nate is so defanged and why... He's had a lobotomy. You know, and maybe that's it. Maybe he went to Claire's accessories and he's got his lobosomy. But it really rely. And a lot of people saying like, this is such a second chance for this show, which really should not have been made. These are very famous people now. Eric Dane

passed away. Angus Kyle passed away. Like there is a lot of, like, he's parted ways with Labyrinth, which again, it's a whole nut. There's so much scandal attached to the show. The fact that he's there with cast basically intact and it looks like he's squandering it I think people are really I mean people are going to have fun with it and I will be watching it but I do find it like oh this is the direction this is really like you say gta this is he's turned the dial up on all the things I think people aren't don't make this don't make this into this and it feels like it's becoming this

the other thing that I kept reading and reviews which I really agree with is again it's this lack of understanding so Sidney Sweeney's character is apparently making this quite highly sexualized content for free for TikTok and that's just not how it would work. You would start posting like an influence then you might decide that you were going to post what she's posting is the kind of stuff that people are posting on OnlyFans are getting paid for. It's like a complete

like you say it's like an old man's misunderstanding of how the internet works. It doesn't make any sense of her character. I could not get away from the parallels between her and Amanda Seafeed's character and Mean Girls when she, like Amanda Seafeed's dress like The Mouse and what's the line she says about being a slutty I'm a slutty whore. Is that what she says? The line we know

in love. I don't know. I can't remember. Anyway, she's dressed like a mouse on Halloween and literally Sydney Swinney looks exactly the same as her and they're kind of doing. Even Sydney Sweeney's character, Cassie, who always was a bit

kind of played for laughs as a dumb blonde. Yeah. It's totally just an idiot now in a way that feels again like, are they're supposed to be older, they're supposed to experience life things. Have you seen the photos of what's coming up which people are very, right wingers are very upset at Sydney Sweeney now

because she's posing in these photos. She can't win, can't you? And she's got her legs apart. She's dressed in a dummy. It's age play. So she's doing age play for only fans. Within the show, of course. And so people are saying like this is pedophilic,

fuck Sam Levinson, fuck Sydney, Sweeney. And it's like, the whole thing's getting a little bit matter. Oh, it's getting messy. I completely agree with you. They've just like dialed her up to be thick as shit. And it really pissed me off because you can say whatever you want about her. But part of her charm was that she was quite shrewd in being able to manipulate people.

Like with the Nate thing, she was just like finding ways to like try and harness and down and that was so funny. It was a bit ridiculous but she wasn't stupid. Yeah, maybe that's it. There's no humour in it but yeah I wanted to talk about the age play thing so if you haven't seen the picture she's legs akimbo and a completely see-through bar with a dummy in her mouth like basic dresser essentially a baby, sexualised baby. I think that content is actually becoming illegal or is illegal on porn sites now. It just feels so gratuitous it's like I don't think we need to see it. I'm so surprised she's such a fascinating character

because I guess I don't know how much say they have in this. She seems to enjoy playing up to, I mean, she's just released her second American Eagle ad. I do not know what knows going on with that woman. I don't know what she, I don't know what goes through her mind. But I have to say, I think if I was her, I'm not fucking doing that, allude to it.

Unless there is this idea that Sam Levinson is some genius, he's saying the unsaid thing. But there are really clever ways of talking about drug smuggling. I did find it interesting going on the internet and people not knowing that the way they smuggle drugs is a really common way that people smuggled drugs, Like you swallow those balls and you and lots of people die from it because they like explode in your gut and then yeah yeah anyway so like they're not topics that can't be discussed but they're just not discussing an interesting enlightening what is the commentary going to be about it like I just don't it's very heavy handed it's very hamfisted it's like you will see this and like the drugs. It goes on a very long time. You're like I do get it now. I know they're going in and they know it's meant to be like this is she does it this many times and it's relentless and she really is working for this woman in a very like bodily dangerous.

way but I just thought I've got the point yeah I hear you Sam tell me something new there was so many funny tweets about someone wrote um I thought euphoria was about eyeshadow and gay people that was a scary shit never seen really made me laugh and then there was another one so nobody went to college and better themselves and then someone replied saying mind you they came to school that backpacks I saw that what would you expect oh my favorite memes from series two was like being a bystander at euphoria high school and it's just like somebody looking like really nervous and like seeing all of them just do their wild shit. So funny.

Maybe it's within the containment of the high school. It kind of work as like a theatrical production and there's obviously so many comparisons between this and skins. But there's just something where left out of containment, I just don't think you can take these characters and be like, okay, well they're going to be like this 10 X in five years time. Like someone is going to

have had some kind of reckoning or changed as a person. You'd hope they would. I thought it was a really weak opening episode. Like it didn't, I know Beth, you've said you're going to be watching all eight episodes. I will as well. Or maybe 12. I'm, I don't know why? Did we say it was eight? You said eight? I don't know. I think I may even be that everything's always an eight or ten you know. I mean the other thing that's interesting is and there's

loads of reporting this show and she's not been promoting this show and she's been promoting the hell out of the drama. I used the surprise. She shits in the first episode. I know but like I just don't I just don't get why they've come back. I really don't understand. I need to see these contracts. Not the hell understand them but I bet there's some kind of like ironclad claws. I hope they're paid so much for all of this. You made a really interesting point and it's one that people have said before the comparison between Emerald Fennell and Sam Levinson as these people who create beautiful, gorgeous pieces of work

but are accused of gratuitous provocation at any cost and as well as well as you want to say more on it yeah I'm trying to think who I stole this idea from because I went like oh I do agree with that I think in the common imagination these are like altars that maybe think of themselves as better storytellers but they are visual artists and I do I came up thinking it was, it did ring a little bit Wuthering Heights for me. Yeah.

In how, yes, stunning it was and how watchable and how, you know, these are beautiful people and they're really talented cast. Same with Wuthering Heights. Again, Jacob Laudy, I'm sorry to skewer him again. He does attach himself to some of these projects that I just don't end up liking. But there does seem something a little bit hollow in it. And I do, I think the comparison has not been made by accident that these are two people that perhaps would do better.

in just visual fields, but what they've got to say is not as intelligent or deep or unflored as they think it is. I agree, like showing us the poo, showing us the bags of drugs, showing us the tits and the erotic and everything. It's like that on its own is not interesting enough.

And it's also not provocative anymore. It's not that grand bray ticking. You have to give, that has to come with a reason. That has to be a really good payoff for why you're showing us these like revolting, disgusting things. Because on their own, all they start up to is that's just rank. And again, who is this for?

It does feel like the more you learn about fetish content it can really warp your brain because you see anything on your line and you're like, oh, this is the fetish. But the whole show just feels like a massive fetish. That's such a good point. It does. It feels like he has gone

or someone has gone, can you put this in? Yeah. Like he's been dared to put some of this stuff in. Like you won't get away with that. Have you seen everyone making the joke that Jacob Allaudy is now involved in two films with Pupp Play?

Yeah. And they're just needing him to stop to... Yeah. And yeah, to your point about gratuitous. gratuitous fetish maybe kinksh um humiliation ritual all of that kind of stuff i'm thinking about there was a point as well raised in the guardian review of

when ruke goes to that pimps house and like delivers the drugs one of the first things you see is this woman who's overdosed and her head just like smashed to the floor and just like passed out and it just I've not felt like this for a while where it's just like seeing so much like humiliation of women in such a short amount of time and just like but also looking really pretty and glittery. It's just, it's crazy. Yeah, there's something very rank about it.

And yeah, with Zendaya, I know that we're giving spoilers all over the shop, but again, I don't know that they are spoiled because I really don't think, like so much happens and nothing happens. But Zendaya's character goes and meets this pimp and she's delivering drugs to him and she's having this, like, come to God moment because, I mean, the poor girl is traumatized. Obviously, she's seeking some kind of safety within something. And at one point, she takes refuge with this Christian conservative family.

And she really kind of, like, idolizes them and she thinks they're all gorgeous. and she's like maybe I'll become religious I'll read the Bible cover to cover and then I'll just believe everything it says so she meets this man she meets this guy she goes to this club anyway she's like maybe this is God has brought us together and she's like dancing with all the strippers she's kind of like objectifying

them and she suddenly decides she wants to be a pimp in the character arc of Rue's character at what point is that something that you feel like she's going to do it just feels like all of them have just become cogs in this system of just total misogyny and exploitative of women. Yeah.

He's decided what he wants to happen and he has sort of it's like round peg square hole but he's made it fit. I think the characters don't make sense. None of their actions really make sense. They've all had a lobotomy.

I do agree and Barbie Ferreira who played Kat who was one of the best characters from season one. She, bizarrely, was involved in sex work as her character in the first series but it was done in this really fun like actually go fuck you empowering way

where she becomes like a fin dom basically and she's yeah still at high school f y and just like accruing so much money in cash and just like is on top of the world and barbie frera quit euphoria after season two because they massively messed up cat she never said that as bluntly as i have but she has been interviewed recently and she was like i could see cat they you know didn't really have much room for her to grow so she left the project and i just think she was so right about it because like can you imagine what they would have done with her and I just, I don't think he knows how to write women and I don't think he knows maybe who these characters were. Yeah. Because if he did, they wouldn't be going in these directions. You're right, because Kat's storyline with her kind of like sex work stuff made sense.

Yeah. And in that moment it made sense. But what's weird is we see, we got this foreshadowing of maybe Maddie in her role is going to start becoming kind of someone that recruits people for OnlyFans work. Again, none of these characters like Cassie would understand inherently how social media and OnlyFans work. She would have been seeing it

throughout her school time. She would be like a businesswoman on it. She would be so clever. She would have a plan. She would like, I'm not going to post titties on Maine. I'm not going to be in a thong on Maine. I'm going to, you know, and then she's talking about it like all these men want is this, you just message that. It's like she, this doesn't who is, what?

He was thinking about the screen grabs. He was thinking about her and the little puppy color without thinking it through. And that's, I think that's what's frustrating as well. You go, right, I'll take all these ingredients. If that's the way that she's going, it's where she's going. but it does feel a bit illiterate. Yeah, I agree.

One thing I will say is, it is actually so fun seeing Sendea play Roo, like even though so much of it is nonsense, the way I saw the drama last week and she is a different person as Rue, somebody said the minute she puts on that white vest, and the converses. And the burgundy hoodie.

Yeah, she's just, like, the way the lesbian shines out of her. It is incredible. And I think she's getting, like, even better as an actress. I really stand her. Yeah, I do love her as well. because there was a time, especially before the drama, where people were kind of coming out and being like, what is Zendaya famous for?

Because she's such a movie star, but she'd not really, she's done June. I have watched, I think, one or two of the jeans. I don't know what they mean, nor are. Oh, I do like June. I don't really watch the first one. I was like, what was, like it happened to me. You got June. I just didn't know.

Sandy, wouldn't I? I just didn't know what's happening. But I think the drama has really shown us, like, especially you're right, watching those two concurrently. I mean, again, in Ellie Hall's review, I think she talks about this, but apparently it just gets worse. Apparently, like, episodes two and three are just atrocious. Oh, no.

So I think we have to watch it, but I don't know if I want to. Yeah, it's like jury duty. It just feels like pop culture necessity. And we'll report back if it's anything worth reporting back on, if not what people are. Melshap. So Cichella kicked off last weekend for its 25th anniversary, or should I say, Be Be Be Be Be Bechella. The headlines included Spina Carpenter on Friday night,

Justin Bieber on Saturday night and Carol G on Sunday night. So I think probably the biggest story from the weekend was Justin Bieber's set where he famously or infamously sat at a table with his laptop, search videos of himself on YouTube and duetted with them in a sort of YouTube karaoke. Some fans said it felt like he was healing his inner child, while others found it lazy and disrespectful, especially since he was reportedly paid. Well, what we're paid for this podcast, 10 million pounds, 10 million dollars. Don't even put that out of that. It's not even true.

Should we start with Bieber's performance then? Because I don't think I've ever asked either of you this, but are or were you believers? I wasn't, because I was thinking all the way here, I was like, was it, Babibernatus? Beliebers, that's perfect. No, I wasn't a believer. I think I was just too, I was slightly too old.

Yeah, I was thinking about it when I was showing this morning. I was like, why wasn't I'm a believer? And I just think I was too old. Can I say something? I actually in my mind had you down as a believer, and I don't know why. I just didn't really care. Like, I remember thinking it was weird

that everyone was so obsessed with him. Like I kind of liked his songs but when he was massive, I remember kind of finding out. He was big in 2008. So I think context why it's like, I lost my virginity in 2009. Like I was just too old,

too fancy a man with that haircut, a boy without haircut. Yeah, I also wasn't allowed on the internet at home. I've spoken about this before, but like I was not on YouTube. I don't think I just... I was on YouTube big time. But he, yeah, he passed me by

and I think it was an age thing. But saying that, so many people are age and older are massively, This is what I found out this weekend and I was really shocked by all these people like turning up in Joe's. I just yeah I don't really know anyone I hate to say it but I was

and it's awful now but I really was just watching Harry Potter. Yeah I think I was twilight maybe so it wasn't that I was cool I wasn't living like a euphoria style life but I was definitely just thinking I was I wasn't making fun of him or anything but I was sort of like that is that is a very young

boy for very young girls but is he our age really? I think he's the wild thing is he is our age mate, but he looked like baby. Yeah, and at that age, I feel like he's probably, maybe if he was born in 1995, I was born in 93, I think it probably was, that feels like a lifetime, whereas if you go, that's my same age, same age,

like I think that was the prohibiting, I hope that was. He's like me, he's a millennial with baby face. Okay, so would you have, with this set, would you have walked out and tried to catch a bit of David Gutter, which did look really good? Oh, or would you, would you've been swaying and crying? I would have left, I think.

Would you? I would have stayed and I read a really good piece by Ryan Broderick for Garbage Day and it helped reframe it for me I think it was quite an unusual set and I think you won't get stuff like that very often and I think it was kind of cool and it's obviously it's kind of provocative to have a stage like that and to do the bare bones of a performance but I think that's why it's cool and I think with all of the surge of doing like sprint and jumps and jumps and backflips not to add what's his name again? Benton Boone. Oh yeah, the one you never know.

Oh, is it one you never know? Benson, Boonson. Yeah, so not to add him again. But everyone's just doing so much all the time. And I understand why that pressure to be everything to everyone and to be the pop performer who can do everything just feels like the way everyone is going. And I think it's just kind of cool, especially where he's at in his career. he's been doing this for a decade plus

just to do something quite intimate and to do something so intimate in a massive crowd like Coachella that is the most branded BS of my life I think there's something quite provocative and taboo about it. What do you think? I like that you're sort of paving the way for

let's all do less. We'll come do a 50 minute podcast next week. I don't disagree with that. I think it's a festival. So if that was a gig and people had paid to that money and then that was that, I think I could understand the disappointment. But it is a festival where you can,

there is other stuff on apart from the headline. So you can kind of choose your own adventure. Although I was listening to the podcast Straight Deva who were like analyzing it as it's like nonchalant. It's like it's with streaming in mind. And Jack Remitin also did a video

because he was at Coachella with the brand and kind of said like listen in a world of Beyonce is like you can't, women can't get away with this. It's not good enough. It's with an audience at home in mind but you're a live performer.

You've got to think about the audience in front of you and it was quite tame and it was quite sedate and it just i mean american festivals anyway i supposed to be very kind of still and swayy not very swayy but it just didn't seem to have a a vibe to be found did you did you listen to the baby performance though where he was duetting with himself i thought that was quite sweet and it is it shows the time passing because his voice obviously hasn't matured at that point with the youtube video and i thought there was something quite powerful with like singing with your old self i see i completely agree with that and I understand that and there was a really good piece by

Alana Frost and Betcher saying I know nuance is not a thing on the internet but surely these two truths can assist at once. Justin's set was decent and a female counterpart would never be able to do what he did and get praise for it because the patriarch is a bitch at Ariana Grande if you ever want a headline again and sing along to God as a woman and problem music videos in a hoodie you have my support. What it got me thinking of was how much I critiqued to Lily Allen and how much I now can't sit here and be like what Justin Bieber did I thought was really good because I understand I actually do think it's kind of beautiful and

I understand this is a really a man that we have absorbed might be troubled, even though he's never necessarily said anything explicitly. We definitely don't know. And there is this idea that he's closing the loop on like, this is who I am. He kind of invented this YouTube stardom. He was the last, the first and the final frontier of that kind of star.

There is something really beautiful about it. At the same time, yeah, I was actually quite surprised that Remington hated it so much. I didn't watch the video, but I saw his tweets being like, yeah, it was just terrible. Because you really had two sides. You had those die-ha fans who were like, I was absolutely sobbing

and I couldn't have got anything more from it and other people being like you got paid 10 million do something with the money yeah and then there was it oh my god ads came through I was going to say must be premium Adrian Horton for the Guardian wrote

depending on your level of fandom the strict down vision with minimal audience asides read as either radically vulnerable or disappointingly self-interest the effect was both frustrating would it really kill him to do more than one verse of 2015 anthem Where Are You Now and endearing many tears were shed

and to the image of the man singing back to his 13 year old self. A precocious child busing in an Ontario to Neo's so sick, the nostalgia wormhole perhaps closed a loop, though it did not scratch the itch for a more comprehensive career assessment. The past, it seems, is still an uncomfortable coat to be worn, though at least now with some cheek, which I really liked. That's not, I mean, it is, and it is, it does matter that it is him.

And I think maybe it was Coachella last year or one big festival, he was sort of swaying on his feet, people were a bit worried about him. I think it matters that it's him. He has been completely churned through the fame machine since he was a little boy. agree. So actually I do think I will give him that grace. I think we do handle him quite gently on this podcast. We're not afraid to be like,

we didn't like that. What's that about? But also, yes, you do have context of you did grow up in this quite hideous machine. And if the people enjoyed it. I do think, though, with that kind of blanket statement of women can't get away with this, I do think we have to be a bit more nuanced about it. Yeah, a little bit, but not completely. If Adele had a set like that, I think she would be beloved for it.

I think it would be seen as radical, vulnerable, you know, enticing, everything, all of the good words. I think if Gaga did that, people would be like, is she okay? And I think there is more of an onus on female pop stars to be back flipping and kicking and dancing and all of that stuff. That is true. But I also think it's not like no woman could do that. But I feel like the discourse has become a bit like no woman could ever do that. And I was listening to Shameless and they made the point that like if Billy Eilish did that, that feels in tone with who she is.

I also feel like if Olivia Dean did that it might be closer to being accepted rather than everyone keeps using Sabrina Carpenter. Sabrina Carpenter has never done that. She's never been that vibe. I'd actually love to see Lily Garga doing that. It would be cool, wouldn't it? These people have the voice.

I mean, it just, there would always be that dissenting, but again, he's getting, he's getting criticised. It's being like, well, Olivia Dean would be criticised, but he is being criticised. Yeah, that's so true. You know, and I think people are saying it's not justified as 10 million, but it was packed. It was Rambo.

Also, you have to, weirdly, someone I went to school who actually directed it, it was watching her stories and it was like, wow, down, Becky. I was like, oh, anyway, all that to say, obviously a lot went into it. Like, this is the other thing.

When you're watching, he's made 10 million and it didn't cost them anything. It probably did, like the camera work. Everyone was talking about how amazing was it. It looked like he was like looking into your soul, the lighting. I'm sure that actually the production of that could have cost like millions or whatever.

So we do have this idea about what people owe us. It is funny because, yeah, I kept thinking I've got to be careful about what I say because I was disappointed in the first half of Lily's karaoke and then he did karaoke and I was like shit what am I to do but I do think there was something sweet about it but I can't really imagine what it would be like to be there live yeah that's the thing it you're right it really suits consuming it via

Coachella's like YouTube channel in shorts I don't know what it would be like to be there that I think is really legitimate I was thinking also about what you just said about how much work goes into things feeling off the cuff and natural and like somebody's not giving a shit i was thinking about you know how girl so confusing came about the text messages something about something about something about a thing that is amazing feeling DIY but actually having so much effort put into it behind the scenes who knows if lord was like you know you know a wake tool like 2 a m writing those lyrics but the fact that we saw as a text and it felt so last minute felt really cool and i actually think a lot of these things

might look like absolutely no work went into it but they have so much stuff behind it and the beauty is making it feel like you've just come up with it off the cuff. So even like Justin Rueva's outfits he always looks like he's just come out of bed but they probably all cost like 50K and he's really thought about like how low to wear his shorts

whatever. Totally. It's kind of his vibe yeah I didn't mind it. I think the best way to consume Coachella is through watching it on the phone. I'm no interesting going because it does look a little bit dead again on straight diva they were like this looks like a liminal space. It looks completely eerie and empty and everyone's videos I'm like

but when is it like oh it's they're playing and no one is moving everyone is sort of just like I'm in the moment you go you need to be in the moment upside down with a can Americans don't dance I don't like it I don't get it Have you seen those videos where it's It's the audio from someone sitting up there camp at Coachella and they're going

Oh yeah I bought a little bit of home to the desert for my little camp I've got my rug and then it's over videos of like blasphemy Yeah people like riding on inflatable matches across mud someone's tents on fire. Someone else is just like passed out. Amazing.

You know Ari Kitsa, who we've spoken about before, who's an only fan's creator, but I love her. She did a really funny video that it was like influence is at Coachella and they're like, oh my God, you paid for your ticket? Oh, oh, I feel.

And then she's like, the other day I was in an area and there was like people that weren't paid to be there. Like they were, and so you're all, in my, like, there's like the White Fox boutique and the pretty little thing, whatever and the road.

It's so confused, girls so confusing to me, Coachella. I don't understand. They're not the same. One is not the same. They're Coachella or jacent parties, but you don't have to have a tick. And also I don't think, I don't know this is still true,

but you have to have alcohol like in the vicinity of the thing. You have to drink in like a pink pen. Yeah. I don't get it. And they don't stay. It's not really, I don't know what it is, but I don't like it. I don't think. Well, there's another weekend now.

So if any brands are listening, we'll come. That being said, Moby. Oh. Did you see Moby's performance? No. Oh my God. I didn't see that. Moby performed.

Oh my God. It was amazing. I do love Moby. I love maybe. That I was like, oh, that's kind of sick. That made me want to go to Ruchella. Ruchella. That is a great idea for a party.

Oh, that is good. I'm going to... Maybe you should call your wedding. Ruchella. Oh yeah, but then your partner is don't really get their look in, is he? Oh, I can't find it now. He was never going to any. That's what it's for.

But yeah, maybe I would have seen. Were there any acts that you saw that you wanted to see? Or did you just... I, you know what? This has probably been the first year where I've consumed the least amount of Coachella stuff. I don't know why it is. It just hasn't permanent. I've not felt particularly bothered about it.

I was so gagged last year when Gaga did Gargajala and that was amazing and that made me actually like feel aches in my body to not be there. I just, it's not really bothering me this year. What do you think, Beth? The content I've seen is criticism of influencers and adjacent content. I've really seen so little of the performances, which I didn't go digging. I think I just thought I kind of know what this will be.

I enjoyed the surrounding chatter People are really People are really not enjoying the Influencer Gifting Suites to Revolve People are kind of like I'm sick of this A lot of people went with Starbucks Who had formerly been sort of like These are the companies

We were boycott This is on the kind of the BDS But like The hypocrisy people are not enjoying I did enjoy It was a maybe a news account or something Accidentally wrote Kim Kardashian And Lewis Capaldi

She was obviously going out Lewis Capaldi Lewis Hamilton and then Lewis Capaldi replied being like, just please respect our privacy. I like that. Kim and Lewis Hamilton are wearing kind of like face cover things like you know people doing the sandy dust light. They do it at Burning Manquin thing.

And yet they've reported it to those Capaldi. Then Lewis Capaldi repeated it being like, please respect our privacy. Me being legit, I was like, I wonder why he's retweeted. This is just going to draw attention. He's talking to Kim Kardashian. And I was reading all the comments in it too. Because I just thought, oh, Lewis Capaldi is just talking to Kim Kardashian.

That's fine. He shouldn't retweet this because people are going to see it. And then I was getting so confused. then I was like, oh, it's Lewis Hamilton. I'm in on the joke for everyone. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah, that was a good bit of business. Well, that leads me perfectly on to the little bit of gossip that I had.

That is all from Des Moire, which is Kendall Jenner, hooking up with Jacob Laudy. Did you see that? I hope this is true, because weren't they flirting at Oscars, some Oscars or Gone Gloves or something recently? Yeah. They look gorgeous together. Or was that Kylie talking to, obviously, she's betrayed.

I think it was. Maybe you're right, yeah. They're in their actor bag if they're hooking up with multiple actors. I like that. She's really makes it. She kind of looks like his ex-garten that I didn't know that he was his ex. He has a type. Yeah, they look really similar.

You know, willowy brunette women. Gorgeous brunette women. Olivia Jade. Kai Gerber. Now, Kendall Jenner. They're all in the same font. Zendaya. Well, yeah, Zendaya's.

I do like the way that they do seem to have fun and be snogging. Like that was mostly what I was enjoying. I was enjoying seeing what Haley B was wearing. I was enjoying watching videos of Kylie wearing that t-shirt with Justin Bieber's face on it and doing dances. I didn't know. And is this true? that Justin Bieber and Kylie have slept together. Because everyone's always talking about this online.

I don't know. I wouldn't be... I wouldn't be surprised if they were together. I feel like he was orbiting those guys when they were younger. And then she obviously dated... What's his name? Jaden Smith. Yeah.

And I feel like they're all part of the same cohort. Famous people, right? Because everyone's like, Haley, we were so chill because Kylie, the girl who fucked your husband is weighing us to face on it. But I was like, I don't know if anyone... Anyway, but everyone seems same thing. Let's just go with that. Yeah.

They've all hooked up with the same people. He's hooked up with all of their friends and vice versa, you know. There was that picture of him with Chris Jenner being like, I'm your daddy now, but then tagging the Jenner girls. I went, he's a funny boy. I like him. That is hilarious. So the second controversy over the weekend was during Sabrina Carpenter's set when she responded to a fan in the audience who did an Arabic celebration call,

which is often performed by women to express joy at events such as weddings, graduations and births, and it's often described as a high-pitched trilling sound. Sabrina said, is that what you're doing? I don't like it. So I actually watched the video a few times. And initially I just heard the woman saying it's my culture. But then I started seeing reports that what she'd actually said was, I'm Arab, it's my culture.

So I listened again and I watched it the video a few times. And then if you're really listening out for it, you can hear say, I'm Arab. But I can imagine that it's possible that Sabrina didn't hear it. Not your polite feminist made a post on Instagram about the incident, calling it white feminism, microaggressive and her apology performative. In her apologies Sabrina said Quote My apologies I didn't see this person with my eyes

And couldn't hear clearly My reaction was pure confusion sarcasm and not ill intended Could have handled it better Now I know what a Zagruta is I welcome all cheers and yodels from here on out So the reaction has been very mixed With some fans defending her

And others calling it insensitive and Islamophobic I think what's difficult is over the years We've seen and I'm sure we've spoken about it before But sometimes fans do take things too far So could it be that she misunderstood and thought the person was saying, that's my culture, like how Gen Z might say matcha is my culture? Or is it kind of peak white feminism and just her ignorance showing? A lot of people are pointing out the bit in her apology where she said,

I didn't see this person. What does that mean? To be clear, the fan clearly did absolutely nothing wrong, but we have seen fans throwing objects at performers when they're on stage. And sometimes audiences can cause chaos. so I guess it could be a moment of misunderstanding or she was kind of defensively positioned ready for someone to kind of disrupt

it's tough isn't it? Because she said, she said, yodling is your culture? So she sort of says, I think I know what this is. And I think Sabrina Carpenter has this persona on stage and she's arresting people, she's like small but mighty, she's got this snark which really works and it works in her lyrics and I think she occupies that. Like I really don't know anything about Sabrina Carpenter the person but I know a lot about Cyporena Carpenter the performer

and she does occupy that character on stage and I think it was her attempt at doing that thought Yodling which Yodling is pretty much fair game I don't think anyone is going to go I've interrupted you with Yodling but you must there is something sensitive here that you should I think it would be fair game if someone was Yodeling I think the fact that it was this kind of eulating sound

I feel like she just did not hear the apology is something else but I feel like she didn't hear when okay here's how I handle this and being interrupted on stage, which whether someone had whooped or made a sound, like maybe that is off-putting, and then she went, I'll just do this, little clap back, that'd be quite iconic, that'd be fine, and as it turned out, it was something else. I just think she can be forgiven for not hearing correctly.

That's where I stand. Yeah, I agree with your take. I think it's just an unfortunate misstep. And I also couldn't hear the person saying, I'm Arab, it's my culture. All I could hear is, it's my culture. and so I just think a bit of grace has to be given to her and also the person in the crowd, but also just,

I can imagine when you're that far removed, I don't even understand how she would have heard the person scream, it's my culture, like, I do wonder how they managed to project their voice really well. That is, like, quite impressive. I just, and also, you know, having been on that, having been in that realm before when you're on stage, you're just like really in quite performance reactive mode.

I don't feel like you have a second, you're just like trying to keep the show moving, trying to make everyone laugh. I think it's just like unfortunate. And I think we need to just be a bit nice about the situation. It's not really her showing her ass being a racist or being culturally insensitive. I think the impact is a microaggression undeniably. But I think she owned up to it and I think that's all right. Yeah, I agree.

And I think like I wouldn't have necessarily known. Actually, now that I understand it, I'm like, oh, I've heard that sound before actually. But I wouldn't have necessarily been able to locate that as her either. And yeah, having said, like watching the video, you hear them really clearly say that's my culture. But like I said, people say that all the time. Like, my culture is not your costume and they're talking about like dying their hair blonde or something. So it's definitely feels like it's a really unfortunate misunderstanding. And I, it makes me feel anxious because immediately I just centre myself as thinking,

if that happened to me, oh my God, I would be, you just feel awful because it's just, she obviously wouldn't have wanted to cause that harm. And I do wonder sometimes, like I love not your polite feminist. reference them quite a few times but I sometimes wonder if we're looking at things maybe pointing in the wrong direction too quickly and it maybe isn't as big of an issue as that post highlighted it to be it's that like moral Olympics that instead of actually having a conversation that is quite productive about like this is how different cultures celebrate and this is why we would someone might hear this and be alarmed or this is why actually we don't really see this so much even though it's

such a common celebration and it's a wonderful thing and it's like well let's all be familiar it becomes how to we skewer this person in particular, it just doesn't seem to be that productive a way. I think we just, it feels again like your favour is problematic. It feels like that's not useful. It doesn't, again, it just centres her. It doesn't centre like why we, a lot of people in that audience probably wouldn't have known what that was called when it was used, why we would probably be a bit more alarmed than if someone just gone, woo, or had done something else. Instead, we are just being like, finally we've cancelled Sabrina or. we've got her. I always knew she was a wrong and it's like

well forget about this in some time and nothing will no ground will have been made in terms of like cultural harmony. I just don't I just don't buy a lot of it in being in good faith. It just feels chapel Rome coded again of like we've got the witch.

So on a more positive note, Carol G became the first Latina to headline the festival and her Sunday night set received so much praise five stars in the Guardian unlike Bieber's set which just feels like such a story from Coachella which I really enjoyed. So I actually not familiar with

Carol G but I think I will I'm assuming the second weekend will be as televised as the first or maybe as just the first so I can go and watch this set which I'd quite like to do or I can wait. It's really been on. Yeah but there's two weekends. There's two weekends. Oh did the same headline out? Spokey weekends. Yeah. I think so I think it's the same. Oh no way.

Yeah yeah yeah. It's not funny. Really? That's really funny I don't know why. It's so funny because do you remember there was that big comeback from Frank Ocean and there were all these rumours that he tried to get like an ice rink for the performance he tried to do this that and the other and it ended up being

so much of a like deflated response and like such a like rubbish set basically and it was a comeback of like years of him not being out singing and then coming back and just was really crap and people were really deflated and then everyone for the weekend two knew it was coming

and like there's nothing they could do well I don't know if they went or not but like They just knew it was going to be the same thing again. I would have got the ice rink if I was saying. I would have been scrambling all week, but like, I've got to do something. Because people were saying that they were. I think some people were connecting Justin Bieber.

Yeah. With resale, like people reselling tickets saying, like everyone, I've seen it and they don't want to go now. And I was like, I don't know, galaxy brained. But yeah, same thing again. I don't know why I thought it would be different. What's the point of that? It makes a bit less special,

just don't think. Imagine if Glasemory just happened again the following week. I think that's why the first weekend is the real, that's the influencer Olympics. The second one is maybe the tickets are cheaper. Interesting. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? The first time I heard that I went, you are kidding me.

I don't know why I didn't know that. Yeah. Two weekend. They're being quite greedy, I think. It's like twice as many people in. Yeah, money maker. But it's so expensive. Aren't the tickets like thousands of pounds?

I think about 600 quid. I've watched a lot of content from UK people, sisters in the UK, flying over and saying these are the real costs for non-influencers. And actually people saying flights, $440 pounds return, which seemed amazing. Yeah, that is good.

Tickets about £500 or dollars. So a bit more expensive than Glastonbury for tickets. And then there's a combination, then there's drinks there. I mean, drinks like $25. So it is really expensive, but it's not,

if you're camping, general admission and you are willing to walk the like hour or so in. It's just quite being in California anyway. Yeah, it's not crazy. It's maybe a double of what your Glastonbury would cost you, which is, I mean,

you could spend £400 on a train if you've got bad luck getting to Glastonbury. Gotcha. You don't book it at the right time. time. Really? Well, just trains for you could probably get a return train to Somerset if you haven't got a 30 rail card. Could end up being hundreds.

That is a new nightmare you've unfolded for me, thanks. I think it's quite unlikely for it to be 400 pounds, but train travel in the UK as we're seeing. It's way cheaper to just get on a plane somewhere than it is to go within the UK. Yes. If you're thinking of going to Swindon, no. Go to L.A. Yeah. Thank you so much for listening this week.

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