Everything Is Content - Everything In Conversation: Back To School

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

Hey EIClass! Open your pencil cases, notepads, and ears!This week’s episode is brought to you by Get Into Teaching, and we’re joined by someone very special: Chemistry teacher Charlotte McColl… who also happens to be our very own Beth’s big sister.We loved picking Charlotte’s brain about what teaching actually looks like day to day, the creativity it demands, the surprises it brings, why 'six–seven' is so confusing (we're still confused), and so much more. There’s even a little pop-culture pop quiz, so feel free to play along at home.Our conversation was a reminder that a career in teaching doesn’t just shape the next generation — it transforms the teacher too.Turn your passion into your profession. Search Get Into Teaching. O,R,B x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Ruchera. And I'm Anoni. And this is Everything in Conversation, the midweek episode where we zero in on a topic with either you listening at home or a very special guest. Remember, if you want to take part in these extra episodes and see behind the scenes clips, just follow us on Instagram at Everything is ContentPod. This week's episode of Everything in Conversation is brought to you by Get Into Teaching and today we'll be chatting with a science teacher Charlotte who is not only an excellent and passionate teacher but also my sister and also perhaps just as importantly a fan and long-time listener of this podcast. Charlotte, welcome. We can't wait to get into this chat

with you today but since we're recording this on I think the first The first proper day of half term, which I've always assumed for teachers, must be a fantastic feeling. How are you doing and what are you up to at the start of your school holiday? Thank you for having me on the podcast. I'm definitely a long-term fan. It's the start of October half-term. So we've just had our longest half-term of school, so eight weeks. Nothing major. Had a little lion, went to the gym, just chilling out, making the most leaning into the holiday. So it's been a chill morning. gorgeous that's a very productive morning for a day off yeah i guess it was quite productive

it's it comes with the the territory i'm always i'm not very good at sitting still so it's been a productive first day of half term but it is quite chill for me can you believe we're related i was going to say as a teacher can you ever really get out of that schedule because i think even at 31 i'm still slightly on like term time so i imagine that being a teacher day to day it's quite hard to not feel quite regimented with when lunchtime is when you've got that little 20 minute recess. Is that kind of ingrained in your brain now? Yeah, I think it is ingrained in my brain.

But I do quite like it because I've never really been out of term time. So for me, September's always that kind of new year feeling and you're always working towards a holiday which is really nice and everything has a start and then an end and you're always kind of working towards that break, not wishing your life away, obviously. But it's always nice to be in that routine still. But I would say in the holidays it's a bit less regimented. but, you know, it will, lunchtime will still be at 1 o'clock for me. I mean, it sounds like it's a bit too early,

but I wonder, have you got any kind of pop culture that you're raring to dive into with this time off? Well, recently I have, I get most of my recommendations from your podcast. I'm a red-sinted listener every Wednesday morning on my commute, every Friday morning on my commute, and a little bit late to the game, but I just watched the first season of severance. And that was a, I guess it was a recent,

recommendation and then a way long ago recommendation from from the podcast and finally inhaled it I think I knew the premise but I didn't realize that it was actually quite dark and quite brilliant and funny and first season has I watched that in in the in the last week so that's gone quickly so I can watch the second season now um apart from that I am a podcast lover I can never go anywhere without a podcast in my ear yeah this morning I was listening to M. Carlson's podcast, should I delete that? And that's also on my little podcast roster of the week. So, yeah, lots of podcasts. Second season of Severance. And then I'll have to take some more recommendations from you guys. I'd completely forgotten about Severance.

And you've made me really excited remembering it. So what a time that was. Is there a third season of that coming, do we know? So I know that there is a Severance season three. And I was reading this morning that we don't know when it's out. And also Ben Stiller is not going to be directing. So the severance we know of might be slightly different. So just enjoy those first two seasons, girls. Oh, that is tea. I didn't know that about then, Stiller. Okay, Charlotte, so we know what you've been loving, which is the most important part of this podcast, but please can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Who are you? I'm Charlotte. I'm a secondary school science teacher. That means I teach biology, chemistry and physics, and I'm also best sister.

Gorgeous. Well, I would, I've got so many questions. I'm really fascinated by teaching, but I guess the first question I have is, how did you first get into teaching? So I studied chemistry at university, and it wasn't anything that I'd ever really considered. I didn't grow up thinking that is my goal. I want to be a teacher. I didn't, I hadn't ruled it out, but I hadn't considered it. And I did a master's. And in my master's, I figured that working in a lab wasn't really for me, but I really still enjoyed my subject. I went and worked in a school for a year, helping in the classrooms, helping on school trips. and decided that after that I wanted to become a teacher, so to get into teaching. And I did a PGCE. So there's lots of different routes into teaching, but I chose to do the PGCE,

which is kind of a half-university, half-facement model for teaching. And that was about eight years ago now. So can I ask, now as a teacher, do you feel like you almost were designed to be a teacher? It was the career that you were supposed to be? That's a good question. I think sometimes I feel like that and I think that it's the perfect job for me in the sense that I'm doing a subject that I love and I'm continuing to learn a subject that I love, which is quite academic and sciencey, which suits me, but I'm working with people directly, which I think was always going to be something that I wanted to do. I do think though that teaching is a good job for so many different people. You don't have to been one sort of person to go into teaching and there's so many different aspects of

teaching that would suit different people. But answering your question, do I think I was meant to be a teacher? I don't know. I hope there's other jobs out there that I'd also really enjoy. But yeah, no, I do. I think you can pick teaching and shape it in so many ways to suit you that yes, I do think teaching was the job for me. And I don't think there's many people who would be surprised that I became a teacher. Something that I found with doing this podcast is when I'm forced, not forced by these two, when someone brings a topic up that's like music or tech or an area of pop culture that I just don't feel that I have like a real natural interest and then I start learning about it and I'm like, this is actually fascinating. I kind of love leaning on that.

I love that there is an opportunity for me to kind of laterally think and just learn something new and research something new. And I find that I enjoy it so much more. more than I ever thought that I would. And I wonder, what are the big lessons that you've picked up as a teacher that have kind of helped you in everyday life outside of teaching? I think one of the lessons I've learned on is exactly what you've said, is that it's taught me that we never stop learning and our knowledge is always evolving and we can always look at something from a different perspective or we can delve deeper into something or we can be pushed out of our comfort zone, like you said, almost being forced into it. And it might not be

something that we we thought of ourselves to be really interested in, but we can become curious about it. And in the classroom, you're, you're surrounded by 30 learners, 30 young people who are learning, and it reminds me to be curious and open and willing to learn. And, you know, they might just ask you something about the subject, for example, they might ask you something about biology that isn't something that I know. And it's okay to say, I don't know that, but let's look into that together. And then you spend your time learning a little bit more about it so you can teach other people. So that was one thing that I've learned about teaching. I think I've learned, I think I've always been very patient as a person and I think that really suits, suits me in my

skill set for being a teacher. But I've definitely learnt to be even more patient for others, but also for yourself. And students are, they learn everything at different paces. They come from different backgrounds. They enter the lesson at different points and progress is something that takes time and it's definitely not linear. And as a classroom teacher, you know that and you practice that every day. It'll be one student gets something. Another student doesn't get it. You have to decide how am I going to teach this student? How am I going to teach this student? How can I change the way I've decided to teach the lesson to make sure that people properly understand it? But I think I'm a lot more patient with myself and with other people now. I think it's something that we

could all be, you know, just reminding ourselves that you don't have to get something straight away. And I've, you know, I always say to my A level students that chemistry is really hard and I have an A level in it, I have degrees in it, but I still find it really hard. And just because we find something hard doesn't mean that we can't do it and that we can't take our time to get there. So that's been, that's been quite important in my life. That is so interesting. Actually something I wanted to ask you about in terms of like how each individual student will take a lesson differently. And I think even as I got older, I've recognized that I don't necessarily absorb information in the way that you're taught, you're supposed to in a structured classroom. And I think we have a better language and understanding around how everyone's brains works differently, which is a good thing.

But then as a teacher, I imagine, it can be challenging if you've got all of these different students with different needs and different means of understanding. Are there times when you've had to get really creative in a classroom? With any subject, obviously, I only know science, but you never know what you're going to do. step into in a day of teaching you never know what you're going to step into in a lesson and it's always changing and you're managing 30 students in a classroom and you have to you have to be creative and flexible in everything you do so you plan a lesson but then you've got to deliver the lesson and you connect with those students in the lesson and they give you feedback constantly and you have to adapt what you've you've set out to do minute by minute and you're making a hundred different

decisions in that lesson to make sure that students are able to access what you want to teach them, your problem solving in real time. It kind of sounds like teaching has so much overlap with podcasting and hear me out. I say this because we obviously go in with each episode with this very tight structure of a plan. We know what topics we're going to do. We brainstorm it. We put so much thought into the pre. But then once we jump on a call, I have no idea what Anoni and Beth are going to say and vice versa. So we become really reactive and just the podcast ends up going in all sorts of different directions based on whatever we talk about and it kind of sounds like there's this flexibility and

also just this like having to think on the spot react and just being open to adaptability as well does that sound right does that sound like there is that overlap yeah no absolutely it sounds really similar and I think the skills that you're using and putting into practice are really similar to those of a teacher and it can often go off on a tangent you do need to steer it you know you've got a national curriculum to follow you've got learning objectives to stick to you've got deadlines and that kind of thing so you do have to to steer it back on track but I think that's what I really enjoy about it because otherwise it would just be really prescriptive and if students could just get on and learn on their own then you would just give them a textbook and they would do it

but you need that teacher in front of them you need to respond to to them you need to react to them and you need to connect with with all of the students and as you said you don't know what's going to happen in when you're doing the podcast i don't know what's going happen in a lesson i don't know what's going to happen in the school day and there's a lot of unknown which really appeals to me because it's always changeable and exciting and it's never boring so we kind of you've touched on it a bit there but obviously like what happens in a classroom goes beyond what's on the syllabus and what's on the paperwork there's also that like pastoral side and that care side. And obviously when you're dealing with teenagers, you must have students who are

going through things like friendship breakups and their first relationships and just dealing with all of the things that come with the kind of social side of bonding, which I think is like a massive part of being in school really is about learning those social skills and building friendships. How much of that would you say it's like a percentage of what it means being a teacher? Because I think so often we do just think of the lessons that we're teaching, but it must be maybe even like slightly maternal role that you take on when you are a teacher? I think it applies to every teacher, but it depends which route you go down. So in teaching, we often talk about pastoral or curriculum.

So for example, you might have someone who's a head of year, who is the pastoral, and then someone who's a head of department, which is a curriculum route. But it depends on the structure of the school. You'll also most likely be a form tutor at a school. so you'll have a class of students you see every day in in more of that pastoral role. And so you're always checking in and you've got all of those students coming in every day. And like you said, they've got their own things going on in their own lives. They've got friendship issues.

They might have had an argument with their parents. They might come to school when they're really tired and they're not feeling great. There's hormones. They're teenagers. There's a lot going on to them. And just like when we were at school, the actual bit of the learning. That isn't really probably for them their priority or what they see is the most important thing. It is their relationships with their peers. It is their relationships with their families.

It is, you know, all of those social things that still apply to us now. As teenagers, they're developing agency and they're kind of pushing boundaries and they've got independence. So it's the first time that they've got all of those things to kind of work out and navigate. So as a teacher, I think you do have a a real power to make a change in those aspects. And I find it a real privilege. I think you're impacting students in many, many, many small ways. And I often look at teaching as not, you know, when you're teaching in a classroom, there are those light bulb moments where a student will, a student will just get it. And pasturally, I guess there are those, those teachers we think of that you think, oh, they changed my life or they had such a big impact. But actually, it's all of

those really small things that you do. It's checking in with them in the morning, asking about their weekends, remembering, you know, something that happened to them or remembering their siblings or talking to them about a friendship issue or engaging in conversation with them and teaching them how to be polite and kind and talking through a problem with them, whether that be a problem in the classroom or a problem to do with a friend or a family or a real life issue. So I do think you really get to shape who they are. And you might be someone who takes a more pastoral lead, or you might be someone who spends a little bit more time delving into the curriculum and that kind of thing.

But I do think it does take a village. So it's important that Beth mentioned, you know, there's all different types of teachers. But it's important that the students see that and they see you as different types of teachers, but also different humans, because that's actually how the world works. and it's representative of the real world. So I do think we play a bigger role than maybe is on the face of it because you're interacting with them for seven hours a day in many different scenarios in the classroom on the playground at lunchtime.

You're talking to them, you're observing them with their friends. So I feel like seeing teachers as human beings and rounded human beings, the main thing that comes to my mind is a memory of a teacher I had. when I was in secondary school who put on the Baslam and Romeo and Juliet and when Leonardo DiCaprio came on screen and was, you know, like puffing that cigarette on Venice Beach, he turned around, turned to all of us and went,

pah, girls, isn't he gorgeous? And it was like this hugely shocking moment where I looked at my teacher and I was like, oh my gosh, you're a human being. You have watched this film, you know who Leonardo DiCaprio is. And it sounds so simple, but I kind of saw him as a 3D person. And I was wondering, do you ever bring pop culture into lessons? Do you ever kind of show that side of your personality when you're in front of students?

Even now, if I saw my old teacher outside of school, you forget that they're human beings. I think that that human connection is really important. And especially teenagers, they're really curious. They ask a lot of questions. They want to know about you. And obviously, you've got that balance of being professional. But certainly we do, you know, it's really important that we understand. pop culture and it's important to build relevance and for students to see real world connections.

I think we can increase engagement that way and promote critical thinking. I think as a teacher, it's really important that we understand where students are getting information from, what they're engaging with, because that will inform them as human beings and it will then inform our teaching in the classroom. In science, when we teach about, say, climate change we would probably look at activism within like the celebrity world for example Leonardo DiCaprio or we would also talk about misinformation or disinformation that spread through social media and there's lots of misconceptions that we have to unpick and we have to to separate the science truth from that fiction yeah I do think it's really relevant and we

must we must understand where our students are getting their information from for example you know, they don't, they don't sit down and watch the news. We sometimes show the news round in the morning like we used to watch when we were kids, but they're scrolling on social media and they often think that everything that they're seeing is real life. And they'll ask you about it. They talk about memes and they talk about, you know, do you watch TikTok or have you watched this program? And I think it's important to understand what they are seeing from a learning point of view, but also, like you guys said, to make that human connection to, you know,

they see us as humans, they build that relationship, they trust you, et cetera, et cetera. I was wondering if there was a moment from your teaching career so far that you'll never forget that just cements why you love it or just something that really stands out. I think what really stands out, for me now, having been a teacher for a few years, when a student decides to study chemistry beyond A-level, so they choose to go to university to study it, and I don't think it's an oversubscribed subject. I think it's quite undersubscribed, but I think when a student decides to study chemistry, that really sticks with you because you think, you know, they're not, they're not just using your A-level as, you know, a means,

you know, like a ticket somewhere. They actually really want to study your subject and you've done something to get them interested in that subject. And I am. were really, I really, really love my subject and teaching has allowed me to continue it and continue learning about it. But that's something that really stands out and makes you feel, feel really good about what you do. But that's more science teacher related. I think other moments, there was a moment with some of my students. So outside my subject, they were doing a workshop. So an external agency had come in to do a workshop with them and they were learning a dance and we had to put students forward for it. So it wasn't, for example, GCSEP or it wasn't all of the students who are into

dance and like dance. It was lots of students who probably wouldn't ever pick that and wouldn't ever choose to do it. And they spent a few days coming up and choreographing this dance and practicing it. And at the end of it, they did this performance. And it really was what, it was really moving. It brought a tear to my eye and just seeing all of these different, different kids on stage from different backgrounds who never would have, you know, without the school or without the people running the workshop, the teachers facilitating that, they would have never done that. And they, you saw them overcoming challenges and really coming out of their shell. And honestly, you know, not all of them were the best dancers. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't perfect and it wasn't

always polished. But just seeing them go on that journey and, and doing something that is completely out of their comfort zone and having people believe in them. just it kind of all came together that's a moment that that sticks i mean it's there's so many little things there are so many little things and i think even when a student says good morning miss or you know asks you about how are you today miss or you know they do their homework because you've you've helped them you've helped them get into a routine and you know they're just getting on with their homework on their own it's it's a lot of those little things that that really that make up the big things i guess that performance sounds so

week. I can't even imagine how your heart would not be melting. Of course it would be. This is a question that I've always wanted to ask a teacher. You know when students are really cheeky, do you laugh? Because I think kids, teenagers are so funny. And I think that's the thing I would really struggle with to kind of treat it seriously and reprimand them. I feel like I would just laugh and be like, that was hilarious. Yeah, no, you definitely. There are definitely moments where you think, should I be laughing? No, but definitely. And I think it is about balance because they have to see that you're human and and that is it makes the job joyous because teaching is so it is really joyous and funny and they do make you laugh because most

of the day you're working with 30 individuals if not more who are bouncing off of each other and yeah it is they bring a lot of joy and a real humor to the classroom and yeah you definitely do laugh and then you have to draw the line and and say you know enough is enough moving on with the lesson. So now it's going to be our chance to get back into the classroom, e.g. the pop culture classroom, with a little pop culture quiz, which has been lesson planned by Charlotte, and as three self-beclaimed internet celebrity discourse scholars, I expect it to be top marks all round. I'm pretty confident. How are you feeling? Anoni and Rocher? I hate tests. I'm so nervous. I'm so competitive, but sometimes I don't have the skills to match. So that's my concern. I'm really bad under-exam.

conditions. I got really sweaty. Okay, well then, Miss McCall, fire away. So I picked these questions. I actually, not an expert in this area, so I did a lot of learning along the way, but some of them I did know. So some of them are definitely easy. We'll do an easy one to warm us all up. So question, what modern day item made a cameo in the final season of Game of Thrones? Modern item. I do remember this. It was like a big gaff and I was like, I can't believe someone has left that end. It wasn't a crock though, but it would be funny if it was a crook. I want to say, I want to say it was like a coffee cup or something or like either a coffee cup from a big conglomerate or someone's like little travel to go mug. Am I close?

Has anyone else got any answers? I'm thinking smartphone, but that feels too obvious. But that's the only thing I've got. So I'm going to say smartphone. A dragon on an iPad. I haven't got to the final season. I'm watching Game of Thrones as we speak. Not literally on the call, but in my current life.

It was a Starbucks cup. Pat, loo. Yeah. See, there you go. Was it just accidentally left in on scene? Yeah, I think. So I haven't watched the final season, but I definitely knew about this one. I assume it was accidentally rather than just them having like a Starbucks in Westeros.

So second question, Taylor Swift wrote Bad Blood as a disc track against which other pot star? Was it Katie Perry because of the dancers? I'm sure it is Katie Perry. Yeah, the answer is Katie Perry. So Katie Perry hired all of Taylor Swift's dancers and backing dancers, I think, for her stage show. And I think that started the feud. but it really felt like a distant memory in my brain. I just thought they, have they ever spoken?

It doesn't feel right, but apparently they did. I remember at the time being like, I didn't even know that they were like, they feel like from two different worlds. So it's funny that they have. Bad blood. Do you know what? Now I'm remembering it. Didn't they dress up as like, wasn't Katie Perry dressed as a hamburger

and getting a hug from Taylor Swift and they were like finally the hamburger and their hot dog are friends? I feels like the fever dream, but I think that was real. I do remember the hamburger dress. This is really distressing. I'm going to believe it. Third question. what's the name of the prison in Orange is the New Black?

I'm screaming in my brain. I have no idea. Not a clue. I watched it so long ago. Say, was Netflix's like original best? This was all kicked it all off. I want to say it begins with an S. Also, can I get extra point for not secretly looking this up on my phone?

Because I could do that right now, but I'm not. When you guys say it, I'll be like, I know that. I think this is fully escaping me. If this was on the millionaire show, I would be calling it. a friend right now. Should we do pass? Can you tell us, though? Yeah, of course. If it was a millionaire, you'd get a multiple choice, you could phone a friend. The answer is Litchfield Penitentiary. That feels like I should have known that. Me too, definitely. Anoni might have watched this. See,

you can tell I listen to the podcast. What city does the walking dead take place in? God, I have watched this. I was addicted to it when I was living in Paris, but where do they live? Was it? Does it begin with an A, And only. Speaking with a day. I feel like it was filmed in Atlanta, but I actually don't know if it was set in Atlanta. How can I not know this?

Because I was so addicted to it. Show you, it is Atlanta, Georgia. Well done, then. I actually had no idea. I was just in there, and I think it was like tours, King Dead Tours. God would be good. You're all good.

That was very good. So we've talked about bringing pop culture into the classroom, but what about when the classroom is referenced in pop culture? Do you have any great examples of that that you like? Educating Yorkshire, I watched when it originally came out, like many, many years ago, and I have watched a few of their new episodes. I think it does really capture what teaching is like, and I think it's really funny. So if you haven't watched it, you should watch it, but it does really sum up what a life as a teacher is,

and it shows you what working with young people is like. and, you know, from the very funny moments to the kind of really hard moments and the challenges that teachers face, but also young people face, having to, you know, come to school every day and follow the rules and the demands of learning so many subjects whilst also just really wanting to chat to their friends. As a chemistry teacher, lots of my students, probably GCSE and A level, they ask about breaking bad and, you know, is it possible to do this or is it possible, is it, you know, could you actually do that? And I've definitely, we've taught lessons before, or I've taught lessons or I've seen a teacher teacher lesson disproving some of the science that you see in that TV show. So they do the math and they look at the practical setup and they work out, can you actually do what Walter White does in reality, is it possible? Miss, can you actually do that? Could you do it? Could you personally do it? And the answer is, they're not really. I've definitely asked you that question before actually Not because I wanted to anybody

I was just like listen I've watched the show He seems to be a really good teacher Surely they wouldn't put Because they get quite They talk about the ingredients They talk about the process I was like surely they would not put On primetime TB an ingredient for a class of a drug

And I'm reassured to find out that they haven't I think there's some truth in what they do I think they probably did get some scientific input But I think that yeah The reality of it is that He wouldn't have been able to make it on such a large scale in the way that he does. Do you have any chemists in pop culture?

I mean, we spoke about Walter White, maybe not him, but any kind of chemists that are your favorite representations of chemists or I guess are just good inspirational figures or even just funny figures that get people interested in the subject. So there was the book, I can't remember who it's by Lessons in Chemistry, which I read and really enjoyed, and it's about a chemist working in a lab in, I want to say, the 70s or the 80s, but I'm not sure my students would have read that.

For fact, from fiction, did you, because it's quite Tweed that book. I actually really enjoyed it, but it's quite also funny how she then starts using, she'll talk about water, but she says H2O and stuff. Is that, are the experiments that she does and the things that she makes as an actual chemist, was that any of that viable or true? Yeah, no, I think so. I remember reading it and actually relating it to what, what I knew about chemistry. I think it was, definitely based on science I think they'd done their research for that book I always see like especially doctors

and maybe it is that's in the science field watching TV shows and getting so frustrated on the internet I find it really charming they've been like you would never do this this wouldn't work I almost feel like it's a burden to know too much to be able to actually like immerse yourself in the pop culture about science because they get so they take so many liberties

it's almost like props to anyone who gets it half right I feel like you'd have to do a lot of research like that um the more recent taylor jenkins read didn't she like go to nasser to to actually immerse herself in it that's science yeah i think i did look up to see if people said that it was credible and i think yeah it was it was quite um well research it seemed do you think there's any like wide misconceptions about teaching that people have that might discourage them from wanting to enter the profession maybe even some preconceptions that you had that actually since being a teacher have been disproved but there's that

that really bad saying that it's like if you can't do teach I feel like people and maybe they don't say that anymore but I don't think that that is true at all because I think actually it in order to be able to to teach it you have to be really strong in your field and really capable in your subject and actually by teaching it you learn it even better I think like I said before it's actually something that can suit everyone it's not just one type of person that could become a teacher and your different strengths and what you want to get from it and your way of being is completely embraced within teaching. There's not just, there's not a set of characteristics or, or specification points that you have to be or fulfilled to be a teacher. You can be

so many different people and be a really, really good teacher and you can approach the learning in a different way. You can, I guess, be a strict teacher or not a strict teacher. and still be really, really good at what you do? I think that's such good point. I actually remembered that. I don't think people do say it as much anymore, but certainly when we were younger, that was the thing people used to say.

And I always sat weirdly with me because it's such a great responsibility and amazing thing to be literally in the minds of these young people that are the next generation. So the idea of saying, like, if you can't do teach, it just falls completely flat. So I think that's a great answer to that question. Thank you so much to Charlotte for joining us today.

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