Everything Is Content - Everything In Conversation : Kicking it off with celeb feet pics

Starting point is 00:00:00 i'm beth i'm richara and i'm anoni and this is everything in conversation you guys already know and love our author interviews of the same name so we're so excited to expand this mini-sode to a weekly feature and sometimes it still will be author interviews otherwise it's going to be us in conversation with you the flagship episode is going to stay exactly the same so don't worry if you're worried that we're going to mix it all up we're not we're not we're just expanding the everything is content universe so this is a whole new thing don't worry quickly before we dive into our new segment the headlines we wanted to say the vibes are i mean they're just abysmal across the world as votes indicate Donald Trump is closing in on a victory.

Starting point is 00:00:51 We're thinking of our American listeners, we're thinking of everyone, especially those who are going to be affected if he wins. We just wanted to say that immediately. Before we get into this week's topic, here are our headlines. Margot Robbie, 34, has welcomed baby boy with husband Tom Ackerley. Channing Taysom and Zoe Kravitz have called off their engagement. Kemi Badenoch is now the leader of the Conservative Party. Barry Keoghan has denied that his manhood was in any way enhanced in Saltburn. It was all me, he told Louis Theroux in an interview. Following the incredible success of the New York Timothy

Starting point is 00:01:34 Chalamet lookalike contest, London is hosting its own in honour of Harry Styles at 1pm Saturday 9th November. See you there girlies. Kim Kardashian has once again caused outrage from diving into the archives and this time wearing Princess Diana's iconic cross necklace. Janie Godley, iconic Scottish comedian, sadly passed away aged 63 and leaves an amazing anti-Trump,

Starting point is 00:01:57 anti-Turf legacy. We needed her more than ever. Giselle Bundchen is pregnant at 41 and Tom Brady is sad posting all the way through it. Richira is entering her 30s this Sunday. Say happy birthday Richira. Mudeng Hudeng. Introducing haggis. Otto and Gloria have welcomed an adorable pygmy hippo calf and Mudeng is shivering in her little cage according to Edinburgh Zoo. You know that Edinburgh Zoo have actually issued a notes app apology for pitting the two pygmy hippos together.

Starting point is 00:02:28 Stop it. Edinburgh Zoo issued a statement saying, there's space in this world for two beautiful pygmy hippo divas and we should celebrate them all. Sorry to Mudang. Let's work it out in the remix. Okay, next up. Chris Martin fell through a trapdoor on stage in Australia

Starting point is 00:02:42 and he said, that's not bland. I feel like people are falling through these trapdoors. Olivia Rodrigo did it. Gemma Collins did it years ago. I just don't think these pop stars, these fans, are safe. In Christmas Eve, festive advertising campaigns have already started rolling out. I don't know if you guys have seen this, but the and spencer advert came out starring dawn french elizabeth hurley is in the debenhams advert stephen fry is narrating the sainsbury's advert and i love christmas but i think this is too early i feel so strongly about this as somebody whose birthday is in november i feel like i need to be seen and heard in essence i'm getting trampled all over by the christmas content it's not fucking fair I have a truth that I need to speak no don't speak after fireworks night I'm kind of like all bats are off

Starting point is 00:03:30 we've done what else obviously Ritu's birthday which is on the 10th of November but in my mind after the 5th of November I think it's sort of a it's a clean run but you do know that I also cancel Christmas on the 26th of December so I do i cut it quite short on the other i start early leave early boo his boo his but i understand university tuition fees to increase in england for the first time in eight years fees have been frozen at an annual level of 9 250 pounds since 2017 and 18 but now they will rise from apr 2025 by an extra £285. I saw this and I was like, yeah, dicks, absolute dicks. What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:04:11 It makes so much sense, obviously, because we're getting paid so much more. So like, we should be charged more. The university degree is so valuable. It's proven so valuable for us anyway. Kim Kardashian has reportedly deleted her son St. West's YouTube account after he shared two anti-Kamala Harris videos and the videos

Starting point is 00:04:29 were making crude jokes about her. So she has gone, no boy is deleted. But then she also was pictured posing with Ivanka Trump being like,

Starting point is 00:04:37 happy birthday. So I don't know which side she's on. I read an interview with Adriana from Sopranos. I forget her, the actress's name. I apologize.

Starting point is 00:04:44 She's very MAGA. She says half the people in Hollywood are pretending that they're left-wing and they're all going to vote for Trump. And so I'm not saying I know what Kim Kardashian's going to do, what they're saying behind closed doors, but she could be.

Starting point is 00:04:56 She could be all right. Also, kids online, they shouldn't be online because they'll accidentally share stupid shit. Don't give him a YouTube channel. Don't give him any kind of social media accounts. Just let him roam free in your massive fucking mansion. Some TV news.

Starting point is 00:05:11 This year's full I'm a Celeb lineup has been revealed and a lot of people are calling it the best one yet. The show, which starts on the 16th of November very soon, stars Colleen Rooney. Colleen flipping Rooney, Wag the Chrissy herself Talisa from Ndubs Maura Higgins from Love Island GK Barry from Podcasting TV

Starting point is 00:05:32 Oti Mabuse formerly of Strictly, it is, it's looking really good, I've never watched, I've never watched what's it called? I've never watched I'm a Sled before but I'm thinking about it this year Oh my god that is crazy how did they get them money that is such a good lineup to be fair what I don't get about the Colleen Rooney thing is

Starting point is 00:05:50 how much money like I think she's got enough money already I wouldn't if I was her I would do I'm a slur now because I'm broke but I wouldn't if I was Colleen Rooney this week we gave you a choice of three topics over on our instagram at everything is content pod and you chose drum roll lily allen surprising pivot to only fans and foot content and what that might mean for the music biz we not only asked you to choose but we wanted all of your hot takes to and you delivered so this next section will contain both our thoughts and yours. So last week, Pop Crave, not Poo Crave, tweeted that Lily Allen was making, they reported, $4,000 a day and over a million dollars a year from Spotify using statistics taken from a

Starting point is 00:06:39 Billboard article. Lily Allen replied to this refuting the figures and saying that they were very misleading she wrote i'm not smart enough to explain how i make a tiny percentage of what's quoted here you'll just have to trust me that neoliberal capitalism doesn't care about artists being paid for their work this followed another exchange she had on twitter slash x when she promoted her foot focused only fans page and someone had basically been like imagine being such a huge star being reduced to this and she replied imagine being an artist and having nearly 8 million monthly listeners on spotify but earning more money from having a thousand people subscribe to pictures off your feet don't hate the player hate the game so this

Starting point is 00:07:22 is something that you all at home voted to talk about and i'm not surprised it sparked many conversations about sex work and musicianship and female agency the conversations were conversating and let's keep it going i am dying to know what you both think of this lily allen icon of not quite our generation, but the generation above, MySpace legend, queen of many bops. I'm going to be honest, I've always got a little bit of Lily Allen in my party rotations. What have you both thought of this news cycle? I'm a huge fan of Lily Allen's music. Weirdly, my dad introduced me to her when I was a teenager. He loved her songs. I've always listened to her. I was like a teenager he like loved her songs I've always listened to her I listened to Miss Me religiously Tosin wrote in and said is 8 million even actually real her

Starting point is 00:08:09 relevance in music is minimal and I was like stabbed to the heart because I love her music and I just think it's great and so I did look it up on Spotify she has 7.2 monthly million 7.2 million monthly listeners but have I have friends in the music industry and also just following a lot of it it really doesn't surprise me and I have to say for someone who's been online for so long if anyone had even made a sort of a slight suggestion that my feet were worth any kind of money I would absolutely be selling those photos online unfortunately I have put full footage up quite literally footage of my feet online just like

Starting point is 00:08:45 no just like they're just all my stories it's not like just like no it's footage the fact you said footage I thought was really

Starting point is 00:08:52 no free feet yes you always you always say this to me but no one and I mean no one has ever made even a slightly salacious

Starting point is 00:09:01 comment about my feet so I can never make money I asked my friend the other day and she's like yeah because you're flat-footed and I'm really wide oh you don't have the arch wow not to promote my wares but I've got the arch that's hilarious that you're literally dangling the carrot in front of like your online audience and no one took the bait I would 100% if I could if I could make money from selling pictures of my feet, you know, if the opportunity arises, you should definitely take it not you personally. I mean, one should take an opportunity to sell feet pictures if they can, like much in the way

Starting point is 00:09:33 that you know, if you have lovely hands, you have to capitalize on it. These aren't things that are available to all of us. So I think it is probably it makes sense that she's doing it. I think it is just as a lot of people have said messaging in it's just so shit that you can be an artist some kind of you know creative person creating music getting to a pretty high level such as her and then you're still having to do side hustles it's fucking depressing well this is interesting because Laura wrote in and said Spotify sucks for not paying the artist period but someone famous having an of for fee or anything else is going to have an automatic audience willing to pay so i get it in her choice but it's also

Starting point is 00:10:13 not a choice everyone could make that being said being an artist isn't a choice a lot of people could make nowadays the industries are failing everyone but those at the top and that is true of both the industries i guess that she's got a in. She's kind of straddling these two. And they do take care of the people that already have a following that do have something behind them. I wouldn't recommend anyone get into either of these without knowing that you're going to have to work really, really hard to kind of make a wave and get any sort of money. And so I think if someone as iconic, I think, as she is, and love her or hate her, she has sold, I think, four million albums a year, was nominated for a Grammy, won a Brit Award. She was a big deal. She was a big fish. If she is struggling to make a livable wage from albums that are still getting listened to, I can imagine being really, really disheartened to be stepping into those,

Starting point is 00:11:12 to be trying to kind of forge your way in music. As someone, as you said, who's already like a big artist, she hasn't released lots of new music recently, but she definitely could go on to be releasing new music. The fact that the way that she's earning an income is through a platform like only fans is so endemic of where we are that it's kind of on the one hand it's great and i think it's quite cool and i think it's quite fearless and shameless in a positive way that she's doing this talking about it and kind of making fun of herself and being quite self-deprecating but at the same time it just shows how flawed it is that someone who has already got that step up and you know she is

Starting point is 00:11:50 somewhat of an epo baby if she's already doing this like where are the rest of the people supposed to go but then also there's the other thing with concert tickets now being so expensive i think it's so flawed it's like not only can consumers not really afford to consume music in the same way whether it's like going to live concerts but then also the artists aren't being paid beth you shared a really good piece with us about just like the inner machinations i think that's how you say the word i'm gonna go with that music deals and record labels and all that kind of stuff and i feel like so many music biopics that i watched over the years essentially follow a similar path of young musician breaks the

Starting point is 00:12:25 industry and gets fucked by a massive corporation signing them and just like getting them to sign away their rights to the music and all the kind of royalties and all that kind of stuff but essentially in this piece they spoke about you know a lot of people might listen to this and be surprised and then just question so where is all the money gone where is the money gone for her and similar to how we spoke about in the sally rooney episode um you know not every deal is the same but essentially it sounds like from what she said previously that she would have got something like 300 000 pounds up front as an advance for her music and is struggling to pay that back because the more music you release the more money you're putting into marketing and pr and all of this kind of um spin into making that

Starting point is 00:13:12 break through the noise of this highly competitive insane industry that's only getting harder to break through the noise so you're accumulating more debt as you go along and more music you produce to pay back this insane sum that you paid right at the beginning. So it is just near impossible to see any of the money that you make come back in because it's going into this big pot that grows by the second. I mean, not to make it about us, but the cost of producing a podcast as independent podcasters versus the value and the amount of listeners and perhaps the money that say like big companies that host podcasts might make of having like tons of different podcasters they're always

Starting point is 00:13:49 making steady income but as like individual podcasters it's a it's a massive upfront cost in order to actually get you're always acting in a deficit until you reach like a certain threshold yeah the money essentially does concentrate at the top. And I do wonder, actually, I mean, we've seen this in terms of podcasting, but I wonder at people who are in the sort of digital adult industry, whether they get frustrated when bona fides celebrities come in and do a lot less work than they do because they know they don't need to. And they do make quite a bigger chunk. And maybe I'm projecting completely and there's enough to go around and no one's really annoyed but I think I might and I do feel it when

Starting point is 00:14:28 a celebrity decides I'll do a podcast and it launches with great fanfare and I there is a part of me that goes oh that's really annoying so I do wonder I mean everyone's got to make a living and obviously if you've got gorgeous feet as I'm going to say it Lily Allen's got gorgeous feet maybe that is an industry for you i i would be very interested in anyone if people want to talk to us who do have an only fans who work very hard at it whether it is annoying to see someone swoop in with their little trotters and immediately get the thousand subscribers the you know the ten thousand pounds whatever when the work kind of isn't matched i mean i might be a hater i don't know

Starting point is 00:15:05 no i don't think you are i feel like i've heard that before definitely um and you know it's just like content creation is similar to podcasting they are comparable in the sense that you're putting something out there and you have to break through the noise and somebody is capitalizing on having an inbuilt audience literally exactly as you. So that is kind of just driving money and pivoting it to one way. You know, there's not an unlimited pot of money or attention in the attention economy we're in. We had a really interesting message from Anon and it read, I don't want to get in trouble, but my partner works in the music industry. A few years ago, he found a young woman he wanted to sign because her music was great he put her forward in a meeting and it was dismissed on the basis that

Starting point is 00:15:49 she did only fans on the side he came home and told me and i was outraged and we had a massive debate and i was basically saying how the industry would arguably market her for sexual capital anyway and this way she's just making money off it herself rather than being exploited and he did completely agree with me but at the time wasn't really senior enough to push it further. But anyway, that kind of thing must happen a lot more than we realize. And it just sadly proves that this industry is more than happy to profit off women as sexual commodities when it's in their control. But as soon as they take the initiative to do it for themselves, it's all of a sudden controversial and frowned upon. And I thought that was so damn interesting and also

Starting point is 00:16:25 very smart about the industry wanting to be the ones that got to capitalize especially on female sexuality rather than the individual reading that was absolutely titillated by it it was just like a so juicy but be just like I don't know I thought we'd come further than that. Maybe I'm just naive as hell, but I thought somebody having OnlyFans, it's so routine. It's so normalized in many ways. We speak about it in, you know, the media. The Daily Mail will talk about how much somebody can do a side hustle

Starting point is 00:16:58 and how much money they can bake. But really, it's bizarre to still hear that the shame is that deep, that even in a creative very sexualized industry that could that could be a hurdle for you literally breaking through that's so stupid to me it was such a good point we had um lottie as well said unfortunately women's bodies are still considered the most economic assets we own and i was listening to miss me again i know you mentioned earlier which is lily allen's podcast with her best friend and presenter miki torolova and in that she's talking

Starting point is 00:17:30 about how empowering she's actually finding this and how happy her subscribers are she calls them her foot daddies she said and we'll link this episode in the show notes that she's finding it empowering after years of being sexualized essentially against her will to send record and have someone else profit over her being a sexy young woman, that it's sort of her turn. And she's having fun and it's silly and it's not doing her any sort of emotional harm to do this. You have to agree, she is finally making some money off the thing that, as Lottie says, is one of our assets. And if that's the situation we're forced to live in then fair fucks i think so there's so many rumors about young artists getting signed when they're say like 16 17 by usually male kind of record label owners really young signing their

Starting point is 00:18:21 life away i mean we did see it with taylor swift and she's now got like like Taylor's version I mentioned like Kesha earlier and they're also capitalizing on the fact that so much of celibacy within the music industry like you both just said is about their sexuality and I just can't believe that there's it feels even though we know that is so true even though every single music video pretty much that we see coming out is hyper sexualized and sometimes that's viewed as like reclaiming female sexuality when you hear it from that angle of this idea of there being like oh she's already selling herself in that way I hate the feeling of just how knowing that is then from these male often male record labels one thing I definitely want to draw attention to and just generally I feel like is a really important thing that I

Starting point is 00:19:06 definitely don't you know think about read about very much is just how often musicians are shafted when they're coming up and they sign deals with record labels and essentially only realize years later that you know they can't make the money that they're due or they don't have access to their music and they're just massively fucked over i just saw that megan the stallion last year basically was in a three-year battle with the first record label that she'd signed with and essentially she called it unconscionable she settled with them ultimately and they amicably parted ways but despite the fact that she was getting hit after hit this was you know during her savage era hot girl summer all of these number ones these amazing culture defining songs

Starting point is 00:19:50 she said that she'd been duped by this record label into signing an unfair deal in 2018 that was well below industry standards but i don't think most people would have known that at the time they would have looked at her and said fuck this woman is you know racking up millions she's the talk of culture right now but that was far from the case well it's exactly the same as that headline that you know lily rebuked it's like yes this money is definitely being made and it is coming off your talent it's just very often not landing in the pockets of these performers and artists and it's making me think of i don't know if you heard recently that perry edwards went on fern cotton's happy place podcast and she was just talking about the level of frustration she has as an artist and as a musician as a singer of having to constantly promote

Starting point is 00:20:33 herself on tiktok and other social media platforms and I have friends in music as well I say the same thing it's like I just want to go out and sing and and lily I think even spoke about this on miss me perhaps as well about how your record label will be like you need to be posting on tiktok every day and it's so flattening because it becomes so commercial and i know we spoke about that briefly in the halloween episode where they're for artists it's such a disheartening place to be because what artists and creatives and people want to do is make art and share it with the world. And instead, they're kind of, because everything's so consumable, it's like you have to fight and vie for that top spot. I think that we're going to hear more and more artists coming out and talking about how

Starting point is 00:21:14 disgruntled and disheartened they feel and actually even perhaps leaving fame behind because it isn't about the art anymore. It very much is about the money and more often than not that money is not going directly to the talent it's very true and i feel like we've seen this a bit in our industry a lot of authors publicly or privately bemoan how how much pressure there is to be really good at social media and it's like my talent is not as a social media marketer you have those in your team my my talent is to write and i think people are heading very swiftly for burnout when you encourage them to just manage all of this themselves it's not natural it's kind of gross to pivot slightly one thing that i have seen a lot of which i think is very sexist i mean a lot of the criticism of

Starting point is 00:22:00 this is obviously rooted in misogyny let's be real because men are like you should get a side hustle you should have a you know another stream of income this and the other they've seen she's doing it and they're like no not like that and they're asking like okay but you're married to david harbour who's this big actor was on every season of stranger things why can't like is he not rich enough and i think that is a really stupid conversation because she does still i can see why she would still want to have her own money she's been i think married before she talked quite openly about losing her dream house because she got hit with this unexpected tax bill like it's 2024 surely we're not confused about why women even married women would want their own stream of income their own like any woman listening to this

Starting point is 00:22:45 or like the first bit of advice that older women give is make your money save your money have a backup plan so I think that is also very frustrating in terms of this conversation we haven't really gone in fully into the fact that it's on OnlyFans and sex work as a platform because I do think that foot fetish stuff and feet images obviously aren't going deeper and one of the messages we had in was actually I wonder about the longevity of foot pictures staying popular before subscribers want more and again I think because Lily is a famous woman she will maybe have a high turnover of people wanting to see these images whereas I do think that on a platform like OnlyFans I think young women do start off going in with perhaps quite soft underwear, lingerie images, and then can get pressured into moving into more hardcore things.

Starting point is 00:23:31 But I do think on the podcast, we are going to do a whole deep dive episode on porn. And so we can really get into the meatiness of that more specifically later down the line. Thanks so much for listening to our first Everything in Conversation with you. This, I think, went all right. What do you guys think? After I meditate, it'll be fine, I think. Once Anoni's done her magic, hopefully it will sound coherent, beautiful, demure, incredible.

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Starting point is 00:24:38 oh my god it's like a first date oh no don't know how well that first date wasn't but don't we're getting laid

Everything Is Content - Everything In Conversation : Kicking it off with celeb feet pics

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