Everything Is Content - Everything In Conversation: Living Life Romantically With Annie Lord

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Hello EICherubs, today's extra episode is with our very own podcast Cupid (listen to find out what this means). This week, author and writer Annie Lord has joined the EIC clubhouse to chat about her incredible debut novel, The Project. We have a gorgeous chat about being single, optimistic about romance and finding ways to grow as a person.If you liked this episode please go grab a copy of The Project, show Annie some love on her Instagram, and then give us a lovely review please <3 love O,R,B xoxo----The ProjectNotes on HeartbreakAnnie Lord's IG Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Ruchera. I'm Anoni. And I'm Annie. And this is Everything in Conversation. Our content entree before your buffet on Friday. Remember, if you want to take part in the conversation, just follow us on Instagram at Everything is ContentPod.

That's where we share topics and ask for your thoughts. This week, we're talking with incredible author and our IRL friend, Annie Lord. Annie is a former Vogue dating columnist and the author behind the critically acclaimed memoir, Notes on Heartbreak. She is back with her debut novel, The Project, which is a gorgeous rom-com, and you'll all adore it. In today's episode, we're poking around her brain for her hot takes on rom-coms, meet cutes and falling in love. So before we get into it, I actually wanted to say, Annie, do you realize that it's because of you that we're all together doing this podcast? Do you know that? What? How come? So, well, I'll give you like a third of the credit. So...

Okay. Demoted. When Beth and Anoni were paired together. Okay, yeah, sorry, not everything, a bit of credit. They were looking for a third. Oh. And because... You were. Yeah, they were looking for a third. They were trying to find the right vibe.

And because I'd met Anoni at your book launch, that was the first time we ever met. That's why I came to her front of mind. Oh, I love that. I was like, there's this pop culture writer that I met at Annie Lord's book launch called Bouture Sharma. And I think it should be really good. So I was like sending Beth her piece and stuff and we're like, she's perfect. So actually, yeah, you were Cupid.

You are a rom-com. I love that. And you guys have such... Good chemistry as a three. Like, I feel like it's super perfect. You know, when there's like a group of people and together there's like some kind of magic going on? We have the it factor.

When we are together, I genuinely believe that. I completely overlooked that as, I knew that story as well, completely overlooked that as, uh-l Annie Cupid. That's so sweet. So I do, before we actually get into the conversation, because otherwise we'll forget,

whenever we have a guest on, we always ask them, what in the world of pop culture, or adjacent, I think once and only said a cookie. So you can be quite liberal with this. What in the world of pop culture? Have you been loving this week?

I've been loving in, design masters. I just find it so comforting and like, I don't know, you know, when you're younger and your parents always want to watch like property programs and you think it's like the most boring thing in the world

and then you get a bit older and you realize you become your parents because you just want to watch stuff about houses and like that becomes so cozy and exciting to you. It's like I used to hate going to the supermarket with my mum and she would spend hours and then I'd get so annoyed. Now I'm down every aisle. I'm like, oh, what's this?

They've got that. Like I fucking love the supermarket. but at like age seven it was worse than ever. I'm the same with houses. I love anything interior design and I'm in. Yeah. And like I think just the comforting format of everything, I don't know,

there's sort of a competition, but everyone's really nice to each other and it's really low stakes and feels like the format is quite a bit looser and like bake offish. I'm just wondering, I feel like it's such a slippery slope with these location shows, right?

I feel like one time it starts with the one you described and then it ends with like homes under the hammer and location cubed. Are you at that point? or is it just you're dipping your toe into it, you're not going to go that far? So with comfy TV, I feel like I used to watch that YouTube vlogs. And then I was watching like food YouTube. And then I was watching those of Netflix food competitions.

And that for some reason was resisting anything on TV. And then randomly I watched Master Chef. I started watching Interior Design Masters and Grand Designs. And I think it's just that I'm starting to watch TV. Like I had a weird block on it in my head, which made me think of, being bored, being a teenager, parents having that on over dinner, wanting to go upstairs. But actually, I find that stuff interesting now. So I think I've, like, accepted that.

But I've not gotten really into ground science because I do find it quite stressful. But someone was telling me that the episode about the lighthouse is, like, the most, like, canonical one. Yes, you must watch that. Is it the water tower one as well? I don't know. Someone was saying there's one about someone, maybe it's a water tower, He's described as a lighthouse and that this man's poured all his money into it and like going bankrupt and then like as when they catch up to the end of the show like he's yeah he's like lost his marriage has fallen apart he's put all his money into this lighthouse. It's so Shakespearean actually.

It sounds like some kind of British novel like modern classic. Yes. Yeah. I think you're right. I think the lighthouse is a separate one. The Water Tower was another quite famous one. And then I think this year or last year. So they spent so much money on it.

And it was like valued it so much money. And now they can't sell it. And they spent millions on it. And at the time, everyone was like, wow. And then I think it was like in the papers that like up and right move for three years. Can't sell it. And Kevin Chowd loves it. You can just tell.

He's sort of like, not smug, but he's a bit like, I did tell you so. I told you this was over budget. And he's just sort of, you'd want to deck him at the end, wouldn't you? If you were there pouring money into it. Do you fancy him? Me? Because I have, I was going to say, what? Because I have odd tastes.

Beth does fancy it really. And it's not anti-bald. just don't fancy Kevin. I need to fancy Kevin. No. I'm trying to think if there's someone like him adjacent that I do fancy. No. What about Phil? I think I maybe do fancy him a bit. Kevin McLeod because he's a bit rude actually. I do like that about him. You know when people talk about like weird crushes, I feel like my weird crushes, everyone's weird crush to the point he's not a weird crush anymore. McCauley Culkin. Especially when he's paying Roman Roy. I feel like everyone fancies him, so it's not really weird anymore.

Macaulay as in, McCaukey is home alone, right? Are you talking about- Oh, yeah. Kieran Culkin, that's what I mean. When you said, McCorky, Corkin, that is quite left-air, you know. Yeah, that one would be weird. No, I do fancy Kieran Calkin.

I do not fancy McCulkey-Col. I agree. I think his name was McCauley. McCulley-Colkin. God, what a name. His parents were setting him off. No, I think you were saying right, McCord. Yeah, Kieran Culkin, I like his weird armbands

and his kind of odd manner. And especially when he's Roman boy and he's like, really weird. A creepy. be a little freak. To be fair, actually, I think that is everyone's. It's not so secret, weird crush. Yeah. Also, dry humour.

Dry humour. Yeah. And like mean humour. Yeah. A little barb. We're going to end up talking about all kinds of types of men and crushes in this episode. I just sort of realised we've started on a strong point.

I was going to say it's a perfect segue because we should talk about the project, probably at the top. It's the perfect segue for your book because your book is kind of about could you ever design the perfect man. Do you want to give readers a plotted synopsis of the book? Yeah. So the idea came from, I was like getting with, I love saying this for Rouscher is like she would know this.

I know. I was like, are you going to say? I've decided I'm going to say. I got with like a uni friend who's like quite laddie and a bit of a nightmare. And then a friend of mine was like, oh, made a joke like the title of your next book should be like the reinvention of so-and-so. And I was trying to write this other idea, which was, It's so funny thinking about because it was a flat share.

I don't know. Someone once said to me that when everyone's like first book is like people in rooms trying to sound like saying intelligent things. And I feel like that was the first thing I tried to write. It was just thoughts I'd had that I thought were like profound. People saying them. It wasn't really had a plot. So when my friend was like, oh yeah, I was like, oh, yeah, there's definitely something

in that. Yeah, so it started with that idea of like taking a man and giving him a makeover to turn into a nice guy. And then I sort of as I was writing it realized, oh yeah, it's because there's not many men out there for women. Because I think at first I was more focused on the idea of a man and making a man over. And then I was like sort of realized that was because I feel like it's such a like weirdly not spoken about problem that much that there's so many great women everywhere. And then all these great women are just really struggling to find a man kind of on their level who's respectful and interesting in the same way they are. Yeah.

And so it's kind of like a play on. It's kind of a play on like American high school films like when the girl comes down the stairs and she's taking the glasses off and suddenly she's gorgeous. And yeah, playing with that trope that you always see rom-combs and makeovers, but instead of the girl getting it, it's like the guy.

So they like take him to art galleries, take him to talks, make him read books, kind of therapies him. And there's like a really fun shopping scene. And then yeah, he goes to his makeover and becomes really hot. And also important to emphasize, like the guy is not the guy that I had a thing with.

But that's kind of where the idea it came from. But I would say the main character James is kind of like sort of mad mishmash of loads of men in my life. I had a note that where I'd write down loads of funny stuff I'd hear men say. And some of them I was like, this is too ridiculous. I don't know if anyone would believe someone would say that. Can you share some of the things from the notes? Have you got any that you can show with us? Well, I can think of one, which I did put in the book was like a guy friend, we were like sat in Nando's. That's a relevant story wherever I don't know what I said that, but we were in Nandoes and then...

Set the same. Someone was made a joke like, oh, you don't want to hear the noises coming out of his room kind of thing. And it was when there was kind of a bit of a conversation about men sort of choking women and whether they were going through the proper consent things about it. And it had become quite normalized that people were into choking sort of thing. Anyway, he was known to enjoy that, whatever. And then someone was like, oh, yeah, like when they were like, oh, don't want to hear the noises coming out of your room, huh?

He was like, oh, no, I'm not into choking anymore. It's out of fashion. It's all about eating ass now. And I was like, oh my God. I feel like I do remember. I see, you just really doing it because it's in fashion. Yeah. Can I ask, are you still friends with this guy?

And have you got a relationship where you can be like, I've based a character off you? Or are you just hoping that he hasn't been paying attention to your career? I have thought about this where I'm like, there's so many little things. But I don't think men, let me think. I think they like it even if you're mean about it. They just love being mentioned. I've definitely said to all my guy friends,

You should be careful what you're saying because I'm taking this down. But I also think most of it, I don't know if they even remember saying it. Or some of them I'm like, I don't know if you're clocking how crazy that is. Is it clocking to you? I'm standing in business. I think that's such a good read of men in general. They think about themselves a lot, but in a very different way the women think about themselves. I think there's an analytical side of, you know, I think probably I worry.

I'll read people's books and I'll be like, oh my God, is that me? Is that me? Is that me? And I overthink it. Whereas men are good. Yeah, 100%. It can't be me. He's a brick. Yeah, exactly. That is so true.

Anything I've read by anyone I remotely know, something a character says is awful, and I'm like, must have been me. And it's like in the context that I've never been in nothing like me. And I'm like, I guess this, is this play about us? But it's the perils of knowing novelists. I'm sorry, your friends knew what they were getting into. 100%.

Not to victim blame, but I'm blaming. I feel like when I was reading the book, I loved how you do touch on things like heteropessimism. I feel like it's such a classic from Sex and the City, which is men put on their lights like taxis when they're ready for a relationship. And it's when they put the lights on that women are all around ready to kind of get into the taxi. Otherwise, it's just impossible to kind of lock down a man. And they're all kind of popular laws and lines about relationships.

Because I feel like they feel really true. And I still think even though you touched on all those really shit parts of dating, it's still an optimistic book and it's still a really hopeful, really romantic book. And I was wondering, how do you both acknowledge the perils and the, the pitfalls of dating and also have your foot in how shitty it can be, whilst also offering something that is really optimistic and really a romantic comedy. That's so nice to know that that came across. I think, yeah, because there was a point when I was writing it where I felt so miserable

about dating and the climate of it. And I was talking to someone about it. And they were like, oh, in the real world, he would, like, would he get any better or something? personally as well, I think I am someone that's really still believes in love and like I find romantic things the most exciting thing in the world. If I watch a film, a war film or like a Western

or like the pit and whatever like vague romantic plotline is in it, like that's the thing I pay most attention to and I'm most excited by. I just love romance and I don't know. I've always been someone that like on the bus, I've always been a big daydreamer and like if I'm on the bus and stuff, you know, looking at the window, Lana Del Rey on, creating a weird scenario in my head.

And it's always like a romantic one. And I have to be careful in like picking a plotline that isn't related to my life. So I don't start being weird around the, like, I can't be a crush because I'm already probably trying to be normal around them. So I have to pick like some random person, like celebrity or something. Yeah, I'm just, I'm into love and feel hopeful about it. Like, Even things where I'm like, okay, like being a single person, there's maybe feel like less and less opportunities nowadays to meet people or it happens less. You know, you go on a night out and you kind of just talk to your friends.

Like it's not very social as much. Like, or in the pub, like people don't really talk to different groups as much as I imagine they used to and things like that. I always think that doesn't take away from when you do experience a romantic moment. If maybe it just means that you feel it even harder because it's rarer and it doesn't mean you don't have romance in your life and things like that. I feel like I'm armed with positive ways of thinking about the modern dating climate as much as I want to move about it. That's so good.

We were talking about last night actually at the polyester party. Were you there? We didn't see you. No, I couldn't come. Yeah, it was brilliant, which we will get onto. Oh, yay. I was talking about the single women in my life and how, like, if you have a series of, like, negative experiences, it then becomes a slight thing where you see the experience in the landscape of dating as just,

the self-fulfilling prophecy is going to be bad. But if you're someone that has quite an optimistic and good luck train, you can just see it so interesting how you frame it. But on the romance and the rom-com thing, I think we have such a dearth of rom-coms. I'm so glad that you wrote this book because it's such a fresh take. It made me feel all those kind of like early stage crushy. That's my favourite bit when you're sort of like,

you're aching and you're longing and you don't even know what it is. But it is a twist on a rom-com, and it's something that sorely needed because I don't think many have been able to really turn it on its head in a way that feels new. And that's exciting because I think the rom-com kind of died because so many of the tropes were actually based on, like, deeply entrenched misogyny and things that actually now in this current climate were like, I can't really see who watches me like, this is romance.

That's like sexual assault. But anyway. Yeah. What were your, did you have any rom-coms that you drew from? Or like, what was your favorite rom-com ever when you were growing up? Yeah. I'm not like a massive rom-com head, but in a way where, like, I love rom-coms as much as everyone does kind of thing.

And I love, you know, the big outpouring speech when Harry met Sally. And I love when in Bridget Jones are like kissing in the snow and she's got like a big underwear on. And I love all the tropes of it. But I guess I kind of, yeah, I enjoyed in the book, dismantling them a little bit or making fun of them like having the big speech, but then saying you can't just say all that and expect everything to be fine now or swapping the like gender around and that kind of thing. So it's not just so set the patterns of it.

What I find alienating quite a lot with rom-coms is we still make out as if, like, women can get whoever they want. And, like, I do get that to an extent of it's maybe easier. I don't actually know if it's even true, but I guess women are, like, lusted after more openly. You could maybe have sex easier. I think it's harder for us to have sex with people we want to have sex with. Yeah. Good sex is scarce. Yeah. Like, I actually did it.

I don't know why, but I find it's such a fun question. But like sometimes, I don't know why I even thought to ask this, but I was like in the pub with a guy I was seeing once. And it was like a really big pub. And I was like, how many people in here do you think you'd want to have sex with? And he was like, I said there was maybe two at a push. And he was like 30. 30?

Yeah, it was a big pub. It was a big pub to be bad. But it's a shock to me if there's one person on a whole night out, especially when a single that I even like thought was hot. Agree. Like it would be, it would be. It would be. And we would chase them down the road.

We'd be like, quick, follow that man. Yeah, yeah. It's mad, isn't it? But yeah, I feel like in rom-com or like in life as well, it's like, you know, sometimes if you're windy white singer, somebody would be like, well, you can get whoever you want, like if you want it, and it's, what? I just feel like there's so many women that are so impressive.

Even, I was looking at recently there was like, I've not seen it, so it might just be misinterpreting the trailer, but I saw a trailer for that film, Finding Emily. And it was like, the premise seemed to me, that is there's a guy, he goes on a night out, he talks to this girl, really fancies her, gets her number. Then when he texts her the next day,

it's the wrong number. So then the, yeah, so the film is like him trying his best to find this girl and then go on a date with her. I was just thinking, in the real world, he just wouldn't be that else. They probably have gotten the right number. The next day they would have texted

when they were hung over. And then, because he would have wanted to feel a bit less lonely on Sunday. And then they might have gone on like, one date or something and then he'd be like already seeing someone else and not over his ex and then someone else appears and then he like gets distracted by that and then it just turns into nothing and I was like there's no way that man who's so good looking the actor would have gone on a wild views chase for a woman it's just not like she would have been doing that for him stalking his Instagram like the way and I feel like it makes you feel really lonely sometimes

a single woman because you're like being told a different narrative to how it actually is for most single women. It's not coming. It's so, it's so true. Yeah. It's also that thing of like, yeah, it's men written by women and it's very, I mean, when you mentioned there, like, who's not over his ex, they're kind of like, the joke about a man will have like a dentist appointment in two months and be like, I've just got too much

going on. I can't commit to, you know, whereas a woman will be caring for whole family. She'd be doing there. She'd be like, okay, I'll take this on because love is real. But it's so true. And I do think there is that what we're sold and what we're, which is what we loved about the book because it is like, look, this is what it's really like. but love is real and there are ways to meet people where they're at and like everyone is perfectable,

improvable, but nobody is perfect. And I do think there is something about when you're talking earlier about being optimistic about love and maybe it's something that you're born with or not, but I do think it's something that you can nurture. And I wonder like if you have any advice for what is the key to not becoming really detached from love and dating? Like I meet women now who are single and go, I'm just not going to meet anyone. And they're kind of, that's the way that they're dealing with it by not being so heterophatilist that they stop dating, but the kind of, of like they have gone cold on a bit just to survive. Like, do you think that there is a way to resist that and still believe in love,

but also enjoy your life without waiting for a man or a woman or a partner? Yeah, no. That's so interesting because, yeah, my auntie once gave me some advice that, but I was thinking about when she got married when she was in her 40s. And she was like, it's so annoying because if you knew when it was going to happen, you'd just enjoy this whole time and you'd have such a great time being single and having, I keep saying the word time, or it's time for yourself. and you just nourish your career and your friendships.

And it's so true. So I also think for me, weirdly, I was so scared of like all my friends that were single coupling up and then feeling really like, oh, I'm the last one left kind of thing. But actually seeing my friends and relationships has kind of calmed me down and made me realize just seeing it happen for them has made it feel so much more. Oh, it will just happen for me when I find the right person because... I thought you were going to say seeing them and their relationship.

I'm like, thanks God, I'm single. I thought as well. Oh, God. No, but well, no, not that, but it also does, I think I'm such a romantic and because I do make all these fantasy stories in my head. I think it's also good when you're around relationships because you remember what they're actually like. And not that they're like, obviously they're hard work, but it's also just, I don't know, I think when I, probably because of watching too any rom-coms, I think of romance. It's like someone choosing me

and then everything in my life is sorted and I'm now worth something. And like so little about the actual intimacy of a relationship. And I had like a funny moment actually. I was just on a holiday with my best friend and her husband. He was like they've been going out since we were 17.

So he's also like my best friend now as well. It was funny. There was a bit where like this guy that we made friends with came back to the hotel room and we were all just hanging out. And he had a bit of a wave of panic attack-ishness and just needed to do some like breathing exercises and just chill kind of thing.

And as soon as I realized he was kind of okay, I was off in the bathroom, taking my makeup off, getting ready for bed. And Vicky was sat with him, really making sure he was okay, was quite worried about him and stuff. And just watching them, I was thinking like,

oh, that's why you're married and that's why I'm single kind of thing because it's just things like that with intimacy. I realize I'm not. like super comfortable with yet or like you can kind of feel like you want a relationship but those things that come with it you can kind of shy away from and then I feel like I don't know where I've took the question I've rambled for so long but no not at all that's the conversation that's what we love okay good what was what was the question it was kind of like how do you how can

people oh yeah still enjoy life and maintain optimist about love and not oh yeah another thing I do which is I've been really enjoying at the minute just like putting myself out there more you know when you see someone hot and you sort of look at them and then you like quickly look away. Like kind of challenging myself to like look at people and like hold eye contact. What's that called sticky eyes? You kind of stick your eyes to that and then I'm rubbish. I'm affected. Yes.

Like I've had a woman do it to me and I went, oh my God, I'm in love. Yeah. I don't know. Just things like that where like I was at the gym and me and this guy, I felt like we were really looking each other the whole time. But I was like getting more and more brave. I'm looking for a bit longer and things like that. And I think it helps me when I detach from the outcome. because I feel like in romantic scenarios,

I can sort of run away with it in my head and I'm thinking about how they'll get on with my friends and all this stuff. And then, I don't know, just focusing more on doing it because it makes you more confident and like thinking about how brave I am to do that really helps. And just enjoying that you and a guy

were staring each other in the gym, not thinking, oh my God, are we going to ask for each other's number at some point or like, will we on a date? What's going to come from that? enjoying the romance of the thing as it's happening a bit more. Like if you go on a night out and you kiss someone, like enjoy kissing them. Oh, they didn't text, whatever.

People are flaky now. Try to focus on that thing. And yeah, I don't know. I think I've recently just become so much more confident. And I'm treating everything I'm doing like it's practice because I'm becoming a more confident person. I'm getting better and better and putting myself out there has helped me kind of enjoy it without feeling really bruised if something doesn't develop into something longer. Oh, I love that so much. Esther Perel was talking about living your life more erotically and not erotically to do with sex, but just like

pleasure, finding pleasure. A jumper feels really nice, just living your life by like centering all of these small ways of feeling pleasure. It feels like you're saying that with romance. It's living your life romance forward and just really centering those moments. And it just, it sounds like such a fucking pleasurable way to live life, to be honest. Yeah. It's guess society. different point. I was annoyed about a dating situation and then I was, you know, running in the group chat and I was like, I'm just going to give up. And then my friend was like, but what does that even mean to give up on it? And it really annoyed me because you know when you want to have like an email moment of right, that's it. I'm fucking done with this or like, I don't

know. And I felt like I wasn't even allowed to, but I don't know what it means for me to give up on dating because I would still want it. So like even if I was saying I wasn't looking for it, like it kind of would be it be like. Like, I get taking breaks from it but I don't know if I could because I want it so much. But I think there's a world in which what you do is you kind of play a trick on yourself

and you say I'm giving up and it's to go back to the thing your auntie said which is like you kind of emancipate yourself from the stress of looking but you're not, the door is enclosed, you're just not out there kind of paining yourself because it can get really like a chore and a few of my single friends

like I just don't date anymore they won't go on dating apps they'll go on a date if they like meet someone or like something happens but they're kind of not actively trying It sounds like I'm talking about trying for a baby. But if it happens, great. And I think that can give you a bit of time to just breathe.

And also it was interesting what you were saying about how you're leaning into or relaxing with things kind of not working out. I was talking to another single friend. And she was like, so this isn't working, this isn't working, but this has happened. And I was saying how maybe what's happening right now isn't that these dates who are going on these men you're going to be the men you're going to be with. But actually they're healing a part of you, like she's getting much better at dealing with someone not replying, something not working out.

And actually what we thought with the outcome of that, what she thought the outcome she wanted was like a relationship, what it's actually done has just given her more peace, less anxiety, and it's actually maybe that was the point of this period of your life or this moment in time. These men, these relationships, these situations aren't there to give you the love of your life. They're actually there to get you to a place

which will maybe bring you closer to being the person that will be the person that meets the love of your life. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. No, oh my God, I love that. I really feel that as well. Because I was thinking, I don't know, sometimes I think back to, I'm like, oh, I've been a single. for a long time now.

But the amount I've grown in that time, when I look back on it, oh, I'm so glad I didn't meet someone earlier because I feel like I'm getting, yeah, more confident, smart. I like how I dress even more like random shit. And I saw a TikTok with this girl was like, oh, I like to think

that nine persons out there and we're both getting ready. So when we meet each other, we're going to be like so in the right place. We'll have done all this work that it will be so great when we meet kind of thing. I love that. I was going to ask a silly question.

When I was reading the book, I couldn't not wonder who you would cast as all the main characters. And I really am so desperate to know if you had to imagine them on screen, TV, film, whatever. Is there anyone who just, like, would come straight to mind or you can see in those roles? That's so fun.

Do you know who I did think for Daisy? But I think she's quite small and Daisy's really tall. But if she was tall, the girl in How to Have Sex. Yes, me approve. Is that movie with Colonel Bruce? She's pretty. She is. I interviewed a one.

She's very, very small. But get her some stilts. She is so, you've actually nailed back completely. She'd be amazing, Daisy. Yeah. I just think her, like, face and, like, manner.

And similar to, like, the character in how to have sex, I would say. I think Maya is Mahala. Yeah. Yeah. I say that. I would love that.

That would be my constant. Let's speak it into the universe. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know for James. The male casting's tough, though. Yeah. I was going to say it is tough

because it's what I got, I kind of, It is like a slower burn attraction of like, well, you're attractive, but like there's a quality where you go, no, not for me. And then you go, maybe. It could be, you know, the guy that's in everything now and he's going on Megan Farie, what's his name? I've seen that.

Leo Woodall. It could be the cover. Because actually his unattractiveness in the book isn't really about him not being hot. So there's a way that you can get a hot man character play this like laddish character. But yeah, that's who I see Leo Woodrow. I can't think how I think for Daisy. I'm really obsessed to her at the minute with a girl that plays tag. and rivals.

I think it's called like Bella McKee or something. Oh, yeah. I see that. She's got that quality as well. That kind of wide-eyed, like not innocence, but like just kind of hopefulness, but also, yeah, it's a good shout.

It was funny with notes on Heartbreak. We were like, I was talking to like a TV producer once, and they were like, oh, I was like, oh, who would you cast as like me and my ex? And they were like, oh, we'd pop for him. We were thinking, this was when he wasn't that famous yet, but Harris Dickinson. And I was like, oh, yeah, like, I could see that.

That's so weird. I can really see that. Yeah. And then just, my ex is pretty hard, guys. No. And then for me, they were like, oh, yeah, we'd probably like a streetcast. I was like, oh. Thinking I was going to get like Scarletian's not something.

Notes on Hartsprick has sucked a special place in my heart because I read it when I'd moved out after a five-year relation. I remember texting Annie, I was just sobbing reading this book. I'd literally just gone through one of my biggest breakups. So it's like seared into my memory. You know, you have certain songs. Like if it plays, it just makes me want to cry out match. It was at that exact moment I just needed to read it.

It's so good. I love that so much. So as you're listening to this, Annie's book is out tomorrow. So make sure that you go and grab yourselves a copy. Annie, is that anything that you would love our listeners to know, any events or anything you have coming up, where to find you? Any final words of wisdom?

I do have a bunch of events. Yeah, follow me on my Instagram. It's at Annie Lord and then the number eight. And then I've got all my like events and things on there. So excited. Perfect. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I had the best time.

I could talk to you guys all day. Thank you so much. Also listeners won't know, but we have had technical issues like we've never experienced before. Poor Annie. Well, what good sports she is. Oh, oh, no. It was so fun.

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