Everything Is Content - Everything In Conversation: Pamela Anderson & Liam Neeson

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Welcome to your Wednesday dose of content!It’s giving Baywatch meets Taken... Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson met while filming the 2025 reboot of The Naked Gun. For Vogue, Raven Smith writes, Why We're So In Love with Pam and Liam; ‘There’s an overarching feeling like Pamela Anderson is out of fucks. After years of pursuing a manicured perfection, she finally feels at home in her own skin—and she’s got a nice new beau. Life does not end at 58 (duh!), and though Carrie, Miranda and Charlotte are ending their onscreen tale of 50-somethings’ love lives, Pam’s is apparently only beginning… In these uncertain times, Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson’s idyll feels like just what the doctor called for. After decades of sun, sea, and sex tapes, the last showgirl has finally found love.’Neeson is a widower, who lost his beloved wife and fellow actor, Natasha Richardson, in a skiing accident in 2009. Many echo Raven’s sentiment, and are happy to see the silver fox find new love in later life, however, a few are left asking, did we forget what Liam Neeson said in 2019?Six years later can we forgive and forget? Is this another showmance? And how do we feel about this new Hollywood couple? Listen to find out!Thanks so much for listening, and for all of your comments and takes on the topic this week. O,R,B XWhy We're So In Love with Pam and LiamVote for us in The Listener's Choice AwardsSix years later, can we forgive and forget? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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notes and would just be so thrilled if you did. Very simple. You just enter our name. Everything is content. Put your email address and then click confirm in the email they send over. Thank you so much in advance. Before we get into this week's topic, we couldn't resist bringing you a few of the biggest headlines from the world of news and pop culture. We've changed the way we record these episodes, but let us know if you want us to bring these back more permanently. A total of 532 arrests took place over the weekend at a London protest, most as a result of protesters displaying placards and signs in support of prescribed group Palestine action. The protests organised by defend our juries, drew hundreds of attendees, and carried instructions for

participants to hold signage reading, I oppose genocide, I support Palestine action. The Metropolitan Police have since released an age breakdown of those arrested, showing that nearly 100 were in their 70s and 80s, and 49.9% were over 60. Taylor Swift has announced her 12th studio album in a teaser clip for her boyfriend Travis Kelsey's podcast, New Heights, out on Wednesday, Taylor made the announcement by taking out a blurred vinyl from a mint green briefcase and telling Travis and his co-host brother Jason, this is my brand new album, The Life of a Showgirl. Pre-orders are already open, and though there's not currently a release date,

fans have been told their copies will ship before the 13th of October. President Donald Trump has deployed the National Guard to Washington, D.C. this week, declaring a public safety emergency and vowing to crack down on crime and homelessness. During a news conference, he had this to say. I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam and squalor and worse. This is Liberation Day in D.C., and we're going to take our capital back. D.C.'s mayor, Muriel Bowser, has pushed back, acknowledging that although there was a crime spike in 2023, it has since fallen with violent crime at a 30.

year low and homicides dropping 32% between 2023 and 2024. Cristiano Ronaldo proposed his long-term girlfriend Georgina Rodriguez with an estimated 37-carat diamond ring. The footballer who faced sexual assault allegations that were later dismissed has until now been coy about his plan to marry the mother of two of his daughters. Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola Peltz have renewed their vows after just three years of marriage. They shared the images of their vow renewal on Instagram with the caption, Only Love. It was officiated by Nicola's father, Nelson, 83, and none of the back of family were in attendance. Florence in the machine teased a new album with frontwoman Florence appearing in a new video where she digs a hole in the ground before screaming at the top of her lungs.

And finally, Mercury Retrograde is finally over. Thank the stars, literally. And that's all for the headlines this week. It's giving Baywatch meets Taken. Anderson and Liam Neeson met while filming the 2025 reboot of The Naked Gun and apparently are now an item and for Vogue Raven Smith writes why we're so in love with Pam and Liam he says there's an overarching feeling like Pamela Anderson is out of fucks after years of pursuing a manicure perfection she finally feels at home in her own skin and she's got a nice new bow life does not end at 58 duh and though Carrie Miranda and Charlotte are ending their on-screen

tale of 50-something's love lives, Pam is apparently only beginning. In these uncertain times, Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson's idyll feels like just what the doctor called for. After decades of sun, sea and sex tapes, the last show girl has finally found love. Liam Neeson is a widower who lost his beloved wife and fellow actor Natasha Richardson in a skiing accident in 2009. And so many do echo Raven sentiment and are so happy to see The Silver Fox find new love in later life. However, a few are left asking, did we forget what Liam Neeson said in 2019? Well, in case you did forget, he said he walked the streets with a weapon for a week years ago, hoping to take out his anger after someone close to him was raped by a black man. I quote, my immediate reaction was,

I asked, did she know who it was? No. What colour were they? She said it was a black person. I went up and down areas with a kosh, hoping I'd be approached by somebody. I'm ashamed to say that, and I did it for maybe a week, hoping some users air quotes of fingers, Black Bastard would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know, so that I could kill him. Six years later, can we forgive and forget? And if we aren't able to put that aside for the conversation, how does it make us feel seeing an older Hollywood couple fall in love over you both?

It's quite the pivot between the two. Do we allow him to find love or do we hold him accountable for those horrendous things of 2019? You know what? As you are reading it, I remember the incident really well in terms of the sentiment, but the words, when you read that quote, are so shocking. They're so, so shocking. I viscerally just clenched all over. I think I forgot how bad it was in the kind of detail he gives, the kind of air quotes quote he gives. It honestly made me squeamish listening to it. Oh, God. I think, at the time I remember thinking, why did he say that?

It's bad enough that he thought and went out and acted like that. But why the hell did he tell a journalist that quote and go into detail and open up about this incident that he was not asked about? It's very confusing and I don't really know what to make of it still because it is so flabbergasting. The whole thing is appalling and I think the thing that really makes me clench up again, the first thing my mind goes to is why did he immediately ask the race of the person of whom his friend had been assaulted by? It's so confusing and then the fact that he immediately then perceives every single black person to be capable of rape or synonymous with somebody who did this to his friend.

It's just like the mental leaps are so horrendous and so telling of what his thought process was. It's really hard to understand because there are so many people who experience this horrific level of abuse who have gone through this, who have never acted like this. And I still really don't know what to make of it. And it makes me feel very confused about him still, to be honest. What do you guys think? Well, yeah, because he is describing something. I think at the time when he said that he was like this was 40 years ago. He's 73 now.

This was like six years ago. So he's describing something, my mouth is not up to scratch, but like late 20s, like our age, perhaps. So it's not this like he was like, I was a young man that was a victim of the kind of radicalization efforts that white men very much were in that time. He's talking about something when he was a kind of age mate with us, really baffling. And it's making me think of, I don't know if either of you two watched the show Atlanta, In particular, the episode where Liam Neeson plays himself and references this scandal. Atlanta is, for anyone who hasn't seen it, it's a great show. Four seasons long, I actually need to go back and watch the fourth season.

But in season three, so it's Donald Glover's sort of surrealist comedy show about comedy drama, I guess, where he plays this music manager in Atlanta, great show. And in one episode in season three, Liam Leeson appears at a bar. I think it's called like the Council Club or the Cancel Club. spot, something like that. And he, as himself, recounts this exact scandal where he expressed this once-held desire to kill any black man to avenge a friend's rape. And in the scene, he kind of does, it gives up an opportunity to sort of go, to sort of again repeat what he had said that it was the wrong thing, that he regrets it. But also in this sort of like quite

dark comic turn, he also then calls black people his mortal enemies for trying to cancel him and says, you know, some comment about how white people don't have to change. Or, you know, it's, it's written as a comedy. This episode was written by Donald Glover and the whole show is. It's a comic scene, but it's really, it was very divisive at the time. A lot of people thought it was great. A lot of people thought it was kind of this nod to the power of public outrage and how in the age of accountability, it was just quite provocative to say, in fact, this isn't really

how it works. A lot of people thought it was like really downplaying what he did, almost mocking it. And I think I read in an interview with Donald Glover, I think that Liam Leeson really did not want to do this, but then he was convinced by Jordan Peel to do it, which is such a strange Hollywood triangle. Jordan Peel was like, no, it's a really funny. This is a really good thing to do. It will land. And I think it kind of did land. But watching the scene, I was like, what on earth really surprised me that that made it. to TV, especially such like a mainstay, like, it gave Liam Lee's an opportunity, I guess, sort of lawned his own image directly to the black viewership of that show.

Completely weird that that happened, I think. And I wonder whether there is just another example of how white men in Hollywood are able. They're given time after time, opportunity to like sweep under the rug, make a joke of it, almost the opportunities are endless. And I, and it is, it's just such a jarring thing. I don't, I had, I will admit, forgotten that this happened. Liam Leason's not a man that I think of often. And then when we were having this conversation, enough people in our DMs were like,

no, I can't really, I can't forgive that. Happy for Pam, can't forgive that. And I think that's where I stand. I'm like, that really was just fucking bonkers. Yeah, at the risk of this kind of becoming a different conversation, which I do find really interesting, I guess we'll have to split it into two parts and kind of compartmentalize that for the second part and just look at their relationship. But I do think it is one of the most alarming things.

that's been recorded from a celebrity in terms of a racist thing to say because even strip away the racism and just someone walking around being like I was just thinking for anyone to kill them and then add into that that you've got this idea that you're treating any black man as if they're a monolith, that they're all these monsters and criminals. There's just so many awful layers to what he said. And again, rereading it, I was quite shocked to remember exactly how graphic and terrifying it is and that he has,

essentially come out of it unscathed. But then I do want to ask this, this could also be a whole other podcast episode, but I do think it's interesting. Do we have the capacity to forgive and move on from someone saying something like this? Is it even our right to give someone? I mean, obviously like it's not impacting his career

or his personal life. But is there an amount of time that means we chalk something up to history and hope they've changed? Or is that just a person by person, independent analysis that we make in our own minds as to whether or not we want to support someone. I think it's quite hard to know. I just, I think there are so many details about this coming out and the way it came out that makes me feel unable to move past it very easily.

I don't think that there was a way it was addressed that indicated he understood how violent and how aggressive and how terrifying a sentiment that is for any person of colour, specifically black people, that they are just perceived to be these violent aggressors by white people and people of colour leave the house, many of them every day, not knowing if violence will be thrown their way. It's something that many marginalised communities can understand and appreciate that level of anxiety, especially when things like, you know, race riots and the kind of assaults on asylum seekers at the minute are rearing, that persistent anxiety and fear you kind of just live with or you push to the side, it flares up now and again and you have to just

swallow it and deal with it. And a quote like this is so deeply triggering because it is your worst fear that somebody perceives you that way. And, you know, I'm brown. It's not the same thing every different marginalized community has their own specific relationship to that fear and i don't know just him saying that but then not really spending the time to go into why what he's learned from that what the difference is why he understands that that sentiment is so terrifying and is so deeply wrong and inaccurate and his his own prejudice how that came through and i don't know just kind of the learning moment was completely missing the fact that you mentioned that Atlanta episode. I don't really remember that. So maybe I didn't watch it. But yeah, it does make

me feel really uncomfortable. I understand the need for writers, specifically Donald Glover, to decide how somebody like Liam Neeson can move forward and the way that he kind of wants to make that happen in his show. But I don't know. It is weird. It doesn't sit right with me. It feels like there's never been a learning moment or a moral moment from this. And the fact that he was so easily able to bring this up in an interview but then not easily able to address it and for that to land in a way that makes people feel comfortable is the problem for me it just feels like there's a massive elephant in the room the elephant has just been just been sitting there for years and we just have to accept that it's fine and move on there's no accountability really

in my opinion what do you think well he did apologize I think he issued an apology quite quickly after and he said that he was sorry basically for his hurtful and device of language. He said, the horror of what happened to my friend ignited an irrational thoughts that do not represent the person that I am. In trying to explain those feelings today, I miss the point and hurt many people at a time when language is so often weaponised and an entire community of innocent people are targeted in acts of rage. He added, it was wrong to do what I did. I recognise that although the comments do not reflect in any way, my true feelings, nor me, they were hurtful and divisive and I profoundly apologize.

But is that, I mean, is that ever enough because I can't imagine in a moment of irrational anger if a dear friend of mine told me something as awful as that, that I would turn my feelings of anger and sadness my friend outward in that way, in a violent, racist way. So I think it's hard to say that it's not reflective of you because I do understand that, you know, heightened emotions can cause you to act out in ways that aren't reflective of your genuine character but I think when it comes to things like racism and really embedded prejudice those things have to exist beforehand everyone can feel angry everyone might have an outburst even of like small cases of violence feeling that kind of emotion but I think racism is

something different if you don't have it it's not going to appear I don't think and I also think if you I think if you contribute to the discourse not every is neutral. When you say something, it's, you know, it's not a neutral sentiment. If I repeat a conspiracy theory without being asked about it, a deeply racist, you know, offensive conspiracy theory and don't do the due diligence to wrap it up to then verify it and explain why it's wrong and put the bow at the end. So I'm not contributing to misinformation or worse. Active prejudice that thrives in communities all around us. That is dangerous. You can't just say something like that without wrapping it up properly and explaining why, you know,

contributing to the myth that black men are sexual aggressors is a problem. That is a, that is a deeply offensive problem that, you know, a myth, a stereotype, a cliche that has existed for centuries that has been used to persecute people. So I just, I don't agree that you can just do an apology when you were saying that apology, it landed so flatly for me. This is it. And it's the comment, it's the violence of the comment. It's saying that at some point in his life, he carried a weapon with the, you know, very strong intention or the urge to bludgeon a completely innocent black person to death on the streets. I think that things can remain true. A person who holds that belief in their 20s or even their 30s can do the work to become so profoundly not racist. But also, no one has to forgive you. No one has to launder your image. And I think the way, the that I've been thinking about this in terms of like the tie-ins with now he's in this reported, don't know if it's confirmed, we'll get into that relationship with a woman who has had her own image, has not really done anything wrong in her life, has had to do

so much more work to launder her own image. Like Hollywood men, especially like legacy white men, are able to launder any crime, whether it's like a physical crime, whether it's there's court reporting's convictions a body a victim whether there is whether it's and I'm really reticent to call this like an ideological crime because racism is violence but it's like whatever it is on the spectrum of like petty misdemeanor pissing in the street or something that really takes your breath away with how jarring it is you can come home again to Hollywood and it's really interesting to watch that unfold him his image next to Pamela Anderson this kind of gorgeous woman who I think is globally understood now to be a victim in so many different ways the work

that she's had to do her victory tour has been so much harder one than his people are immediately like I stand and it's just so funny she's had to do all this work to kind of take her image from like hot babe broken woman bimbo of the day to women we should respect because she's a human on the planet so interesting to see he sort of just went yeah sorry about that and the cycle continued he kind of shed that skin quite easily. I think that's very fascinating. I think they as a couple for that reason alone are a really interesting case study in what we, the general public and also what Hollywood will allow to pass and the hoops. Who has to jump through the hoops? How high are the hoops and how on fire are the hoops? And his has just been a fucking cakewalk compared to hers.

Yeah, it's interesting. We had a message from Amelia that says adorable, didn't know he's cancelled, but just love to see it. I do think there's probably a big portion of the world that doesn't know about this. I remember it. I can remember it. It's probably one of the most shocking things that I remember a celebrity saying. So even though I didn't remember the details, I've always remembered that he said it. And we had another message from Grant going, I like it. Also, his cancellation seem more like he chose his words poorly, which again, I do not think in any world or circumstance that any other marginalised group beyond a white man would ever be given that much grace for saying much less worse, offensive, damaging, scary things. So I think it's really interesting in that

framing. I'm conscious we do need to kind of sit on the other side of this, which is how do we compartmentalize that section and talk about what does this do beyond this? Do we think this is the show amounts moving up the ranks to our elder actors, our more older actors? Is it heartwarming? Can you talk about it if we try and do that? Is that going to be hard? Let's just add a little tinkle in the middle, so they're two separate parts. So it's part one, part two. Okay. Part one, racism, part two, showmance. Okay. What do you make of them as a couple? Do you, does it feel different to see this kind of relationship quite giddy, quite cute, quite flirtatious with a couple that, you know,

are in their 50s and 70s? I, you know what, I thought it was quite sweet at the beginning, but I think our years of media training, and by media training, I mean having social media and being a freak and consuming so much pop culture in my spare time has made me so deeply cynical to every single thing. It took me a year of Kimmuthy dating to think that was a real relationship. So I think I just go into everything now, just assuming showmance until proven otherwise, which is probably quite a, yeah, quite a bizarre way to consume the world. And I weirdly went Showmance, real, and now I'm back at showmance again. I think they look very sweet together,

but there's all the kind of video clips of them being quite giddy. And there was one, I think during their London press tour, they were on a boat going down the Thames, and they did the Jack and Rose move from Titanic, and I think they were about to have a kiss before that kind of clip started. And then Pam spots the camera, and she does this, ha ha stop and bats him away and then like pulls him to the camera and it looked so it just looks like somebody doing a skit of two people on a press tour who have a showmance

it looked like an S&L skit that's the only way I can describe it it was so you know beat for beat what you would do if you were doing that and it just makes it so hard to believe it's real because I've never seen people behave like that I've never seen people bat each other away do the kind of giggle to the side. I've never seen that. And maybe true love does exist and I don't have eyes to see it. But that's where I'm out at the moment.

What about you too? I really want to believe, just I want her to be happy. I think I agree with so many people. I think she is so now. I think we understand her as like, we have such a well of sympathy for her. I think the things that were so and are still so right about the culture,

she was always getting the brunt of it, like misogyny, ageism, no justice for victims of like, domestic abuse, sexual abuse. She was right on the front line of like cyber abuse with the release of the sex tape. And that just rumbled on for ages. I remember the,

it was a Hulu or Disney Plus series that she really was not a fan of about her and Tommy and the sex tape. And I think for that, people want to see her working, living her life joyfully and like on her own terms. And it kind of, I'm clinging to her as this symbol of like,

there are so many victims of this that do not make it out. if she's made it out, I am thrilled, and I would love that to also include a very joyful, very playful romance in her 50s, because she's not an old woman. She's a woman in midlife who, I hope, love is in abundance for me at that time. And I got it so wrong with the Jojo Siwa and Chris Hughes romance. I was like, absolutely not. And then, lo and behold, they've been snogging. So I think I could be wrong on this. I quite like this to be real, but I just don't know. I think I'm also quite skeptical but at the very least the reaction to this which is everyone being like yay

does show that we are we give a shit about celebrity couples that are not just hot preteens and like tight body 30 year olds it's like merrill street martin short i'm so obsessed with them snogging up they got together quite recently i'm just i like the idea that kind of public favor and like public taste and appetite is extending to people outside side of that like Hollywood age range, which I guess is like 18, maybe 31, after that it gets a little bit dicey. I think it's really sweet. But again, I could just be a complete mark. I could just be like the non-sceptical arm of this podcast today. I think Jojo C. You are and Chris are trolling us. I'm back to trolling us. So we had a message from Helen, which said, it's nice to see him find

love again after losing his wife in such tragic way. And I think so many people felt so much love for Liam Neeson for so many years because of that and he was very much seen as this grieving widower for so long and so if we hadn't had what we'd spoken up before I would kind of believe it's earnestness because Pamela Anderson also has form for this I was watching a video of her and Tommy Lee when they just got married after four days of meeting each other and she's like I've never loved anyone like this and the interview site do you think it's forever she's like it's definitely forever like I think she's a lover girl through and through she's so softly gaudously spoken she's clearly like such a hopeless romantic, that I truly believe it from her.

I think I would feel quite hurt if she was putting it on, whereas from Liam, there is a bit of a motive now, as we've discussed. Ellen said, sort of love it, but it's very interesting to see Liam's uncancellation, Pam's impact. So whether or not, I think I'd feel, I actually I'd feel quite gutted if this was a performance from her, because she just seems like such a pure woman. But again, why do I care? Like, I'm already holding her to a standard for something that literally millions of people do. So I should shut the fuck up. But I wonder also if it's maybe they are of a different generation of lovers. Like even the way there's an interview where she says to him, what was the first thing you thought when you saw me? And he goes, I thought

she was very easy on the eyes. And it's like no man our age would say that. Maybe they're just from an era of courting and soft touches and cheek kisses. And maybe that is just a like a vibe of romance that we've lost which is why it looks a bit fake to us but it does look it does look a bit fake and I think you're completely right I think the visuals of it are not consistent with our how do I put this broken generation that only texts when they are in love with each other and zoom each other rather than I don't know bat each other away and giggle all the time I also think because they've been so open all we've seen is like a quiet get together in the celebrity world for like the last few years so with kimothy all we got

was just like pap shots of him pulling up to her house it was soft launch for so long before they went public i don't think we've had a hard launch celebrity relationship for some time so it feels it feels very disconcerting that two famous people could be in love and just tell us and they could do a statement and they could say it in an interview to our faces i think that's where the cynical walls come straight up and we're like what are they trying to sell us what are they trying to show to us because we're used to being depraved freaks who go on demois and piece together the information and then share it you know a year before they ever come out to us so i think there is something about that and i also agree with you there's the levels of this whole story

if this is a fake story i would be so ah i'd be so gutted just because there's now been comments from Natasha Richardson's sister, there's been comments from family members, you know, chiming in saying they're so happy. And best case scenario, these family members have been primed. They've been readied if this is a showmance to share their commentary. But if they haven't and they believe it or they have been primed to share their commentary and this whole thing is so elaborate, it's so, that's so depressing. Imagine hearing from Natasha Richardson's family about a showman. That would break my heart. It's just, don't, like, don't go to those levels if it is fake. And I think you're right. I think because of that, I have to hope it's real.

Oh, I agree with that. I also wonder whether, because, because Pammer Anson is having this, like, I think we call it like the kind of Renaissance moment, which is a term that we really only use for female celebrities and starlets who, by virtue of being women, are like shunted in and out of kind of public, well, just public and the public eye, but also public opinion by virtue being female. I wonder whether she would, this would, I think, not be as a smarter play as to sort of do up a little showmance and then be like, oh, we were only doing promo. For him, I don't think there would be any repercussions. But I think for her in this quite delicate moment of, she's in these, these films again. She is living apparently like very much on her own.

terms she is really front and centre. I wonder whether that that would come across as sort of antithetical to what it appears she's trying to do, which is like be in public on her own terms, not vanishing out of public life after decades at this point of getting completely blasted and mistreated. I just don't think it really aligns with that. Just if I put on my like strategist head on, I just think the machine of Hollywood of like public opinion, she feels like she, she's like an every woman at the moment, not in the sense that I'm, you know, think my life has been like hers or many women of her age probably think, oh yeah, that's an exact parallel. But she is. She's been scorn. She's been harmed. She is still like very pure of heart. It would make sense, I guess,

in terms of like she's living on her own terms and she's loved and she's lovable. But I just don't think she'd do it, she'd do it in a fake way. I don't know. Again, that might be me, that might be me being a bit of a dweeb about it, but it just doesn't sort of chime. I just can't imagine she would, especially with someone like Liam Leeson, who he's kind of permanently relevant, but I don't think he is as beloved,

as deeply as she is. I don't know, the whole thing, I'm calling true on this. It's funny, I think what it is as well, it's a timing thing. So we had a mess from Camilla that says, if it's a show in months, I'll be very disappointed.

Why do they keep fabricating romances for publicity? and Liam also said skeptical. Every show film promotion seems to be pushing the supposed chemistry of its leads now. I do think we are a bit exhausted because it has been hammed up. Sidney Sweeney and what's the rat man's name?

Glenn Powell. Glendale. Glen Powell. Sydney Sweeney, Glenn Pout. There's just been so many instances now of one thing worked and so they're getting every single couple that are appearing in a film together. So I think that's where the exhaustion comes from and it might clouding what could be a budding gorgeous romance. I guess the risk is maybe what we've learned

from our generation of sort of avoidance is you don't put on strong displays of affection until you're three months in, you've had the conversation about exclusivity and you know that this is going somewhere. It's like they've just jumped straight in and they obviously could just not work out. But maybe, again, it's that thing of the way they date or the way they do things is it's like you're either in or out. There isn't a middle ground of sort of pussy footing around it and that's why we're all like a bit shocked but I think it's sweet and I also just think she is so gorgeous it's unbearable I did see a few I mean some of this was joking but some of it was sincere people on X saying sort of talking about their age gap so she is in her

is she not early to mid 50s he or late and she's 73 so she's 58 he's 73 that's like a 15 year age gap people kind of being like sort of alluding to that being again not problematic age gap but again like man in hollywood dating younger and it reminded me of something i saw another really it was genuinely sincere someone on twitter call out uh sarah paulson's long time long term partner holland taylor who is she is i think currently in an early 80s sarah paulson is currently 50 they got together in the last decade or so kind of framing that as a problematic age gap like as though sarah paulson was this like victim of predation as though like in her mid-40 she didn't she couldn't kind of make a sensible decision and she was this this victim and I've seen similar stuff with Liam Lisa and Pamela like and again

people kind of saying like we shouldn't pat him on the back because he's still Hollywood man pursuing a younger woman and I was just like we are never getting out of this we are never going to win this and that really made me laugh because sure like surely not just like take a day off but the discourse machine obviously has to rumble on and that that is quite a funny element I think of this discourse like the age gap discourse surely you can't attach that to a 73 old man a 58 year old pamela Anderson and yet and yet do you know I did for a second I did have not not to that extent but I did think the way he kind of gazed at her I suppose for him she is like a much younger woman in a way it's like there's something quite sweet in an odd way about

thinking like if you are dating within your age there is still like these sort of parameters that exist. I can't quite explain what I'm trying to say, but it's like because their age mates in a sense, you know, they generationally make sense. It does, they just feel like teenagers. It's quite cute. And so it does make it feel like life carries on. And it's not just older men getting progressively younger and younger women. It's like we could also have a life beyond our peak era, which apparently is 23, which we will all tell you. They all lied to us. Yeah, there is something sweet. As Orla said, it's refreshing to see an age appropriate new relationship in that particular industry, but he's racist. And I think that's the

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