Everything Is Content - Everything In Conversation: The Bop House & The Rise of 'Barely Legal' Fantasy

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Kisses from EIC – we're back with a spicy episode...The Bop House is a content creator house made up of OnlyFans creators with 3.6m subscribers on TikTok. They’ve had tonnes of controversy because lots of the creators who range from 18-24 exaggerate their baby faces and present what some say is a barely legal fantasy with braces they don't need, girly voices and cartoon PJs.Are they the natural amalgamation of reality TV, TikTok virality and online sex work? What is their impact? Thank you for all of your messages! Would you consider giving us a rating pleeeease? Thank you, love O, B, R xoThey Make Millions Acting Like Sexy Babies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This week, I'm bringing a vulture long read to the table, one that I absolutely gobbled up from internet culture reporter Rebecca Jennings and it was titled, They Make Millions Acting Like Sexy Babies, How the Bop House and Only Fans Influencer Group conjures a fantasy of young girls having a horny sleepover.

God, if there was a title that was literally designed to peak my interest. It was this title. So it's quite a long piece, but here's the TLDR as much as I could possibly do it. The Bob House is a content creator house made up of only fans, models, creators, with 3.6 million subscribers on TikTok. The name Bob apparently comes from a social media term for the word slut. They've already amassed a huge amount of controversy because lots of their creators who range from 18 to 24 in age, exaggerate their baby faces and present what some say is a barely legal fantasy. Jennings points out that they usually use cartoonish sound effects for their audio

where Pokemon slippers feed each other lollipops and play pranks. In January, a viral TikTok from a creator called Amber Horsper described the group as a grooming scandal because, quote, the deliberate marketing of youthful personas for adult content is creating a demand for barely legal performers. They're also known for essentially chasing audience provocation through several things, Clip sharing is one of the main things that is spoken about in the piece, which was absolutely fascinating. Essentially, they put out fake arguments with each other and say these wildly untrue, you know, story time things.

One of them, I think the examples was shitting in a jar, which one of the creators had never actually done, but she just did an interview, a podcast interview, acting like it was a real story. And then they clip those bits, knowing that they'll go astronomically viral on TikTok. or Instagram or whatever, and ship them out to all of these accounts that are known for presenting just viral clips online and charge them per clip. So the real character in this whole story is someone called Camilla Arruda, and I'm really sorry if I've mispronounce that, who first appeared on Mr. Beast's 2021 viral recreation of Squid Games, and from that she gained 140,000 plus followers in 24 hours.

She essentially has crafted the bobbhouse's technique of over-promising sex. content that they never deliver on but it still brings in huge attention so she'll promise things like uncensored sex tapes and fully nude content on her only fans page and put things like lines like quote i promise is pink in her social media bio but crucially none of the bobb house actually do porn the bobb house also have members who've brought in controversial ticot famous people one of them even appeared on a bonnie blue gang bang stunt for example and they also invited a 17 year old influencer who had previously joked about joining them on her 18th birthday. It's clear that Arrusha has huge ambitions for the Bop House and she previously wrote

reality TV scripts that went nowhere. And at one point, she brought in that same approach to the Bop House and employed a production company to film the house's every move and has openly said that she doesn't care about being friends with any of the other women. She just wants to make millions and millions of dollars, which did not go very well with the other members and they essentially said that they felt like Arrucha became their boss and they were her employees and she eventually left. There is so much information to this piece that I haven't even brought up. It is so wild. But what did you think? And something that I really want to dive into is

do you think this is the coalescence of reality TV, online sex work and TikTok virality reaching its most extreme heights? I think it's exactly that. I think it's literally people taking into their own hands. Big brother, America's next stop model, these places where individuals are thrust together filmed for content and then mind for views. But instead of, you know, you might win a jackpot at the end. If you're the winner, you're constantly just earning the money immediately. It's also reminiscent of like the sidemen doing their own kind of challenge. I think there's a real move towards decentralising media, if I can use that term in this context, where people are recognizing the power of this kind of dynamic and just doing it on their own.

It's obviously so strange, I mean, putting aside the context of the fact that what people are finding sexually gratifying is women pretending to be much younger women, which is just obviously its own issue. The way that everything is sex now, and I know that everything kind of always has been sex, that it's kind of what everyone says, you know, if you get to the bottom of everything, everything ultimately is about sex. But now it's just. so on the face of it. It's so disconcerting. And it's kind of, it's weird because as someone that's really liberal, progressive, sex positive, sex work positive, I still can't quite wrap my head around the way in which the escalation of sexually charged content is becoming

so normalized. Like I can't quite wrap my liberal head around what is the right perspective to have on this because I don't want to disparage anyone for doing anything, get that bad girl, but it is odd and I feel like it's ramped up even in the last year with you know Bonnie Blue perhaps it is having people like Bonnie Blue being the final frontier doing such extreme things that anything that's in its shadow kind of doesn't feel that wild anymore but we are having some odd reckoning with this and I think it does also tie into everything we've spoken about in previous episodes with lack of connection in cell culture it's like someone's jumped on one end of the seesaw and we've all gone flying off the other

and everything is equal and opposite in its action that's butchered but yes I think it's exactly what you said I think it is an amalgamation of all of those things coming together and the waywardness of the internet meaning that it is just the wild west and actually everyone's you know everyone does these memes that it's like oh I've realized that I have free will so I'm going to bite my sandwich at a weird angle it's like the final boss of free will well we say that everything is sex but also feels like actually everything is just porn now and we had a message that actually from Vicky that said it's the pornification of social media feeds. And I think it is. Everything is porn and porn is not sex. It is a lot of people actually said, and this was maybe in relation to

the Sydney Sweeney campaign with her selling her bathwater soap. Sex and sexiness is everywhere now, but eroticism is not. It's a very unerotic era that we're living in because it's, it's sex commercialised to a saturation point that I think we've never seen before. It's like the fake Bob House drama. It's people falling for like fake sex AI. Porn is everywhere and it's everything and it's like collapsing into this very one note, very dull, but also really concerning thing where it's like young people are falling for this and they are more than ever not learning what sex is and the delineation point, the separation from what sex is. Everything is porn and everything is advertising. And I think from the bottom up that is the case and it's the artifice of it that depresses me. It's not the only thing that depresses me about the situation, but it is the artifice. It is that they are saying, None of this is real. Not only is the drama not real. Not only is this endless leap over not real. We don't even live there. It's also like we don't even sort of sell the sexual services that we say. And to be clear, I kind of love the idea that men are getting scammed off this and spending a lot of money and not even seeing, you know, a hint of pussy or a hint of sex or, you know, maybe a hint of a nipple and that's it. I like the idea of men getting scammed and never satisfied. But the artifice of it and the bullshit of it, I'm finding really difficult to pass because it's not happening in isolation. It's just like. It's informed by the culture and it forms the culture. And I think it is watching it from this perspective miles away, having nothing to do with this, having not been raised on social media the same way, I'm finding it.

Dystopian might be too strong a word because, you know, it's young women getting their bag. But it's definitely, I think this is happening in a context that we can't ignore. And I hate it. Honestly, I feel like we're through the looking glass. I really find it sort of abhorrent, but not for the reasons I think other people are finding it abhorrent. I completely agree with you. And I think that's such an interesting. point about everything is porn and everything is marketing and everything both of you said

about just the extreme kind of like final boss frontier of people can do whatever they want everything is just kind of done to provocate is so real and I agree with you that's the thing that just makes me feel so exhausted but also just like feeling as if at every turn there are like several people just like poking me with a stick and trying to get my attention and that just feels like the internet at the moment it feels like you know that meme where smithers is like covering his eyes and there's like five busty women just like dancing around him. I'm like that's that's the internet for me these days. Also I found it so interesting.

When I first clicked on this piece, my initial instinct was, oh, this is going to be a weird male part of the internet. It's going to be, you know, mostly men paying attention to this. One of the creators said that before joining Bobhouse, her audience was mostly men. since joining it's closer to a 50-50 split and the piece does a really good job at the beginning of talking about female fans really young teenage girls noticing a lot of these creators out and about and asking for pictures and that is a subsect of this whole story I found really fascinating what is this content doing teaching encouraging for young girls because

I can't imagine what that is like and there was one section I'll just take out which was, Jennings says there was an audio that went viral on TikTok of a middle school-aged girl in Australia talking about how the bobb house has affected the ways boys treat girls at school. The original video was recorded by the anti-pornography activist Melinda Tancard Reist, who interviewed seventh graders in Farn, North Queensland. Quote, they expect us to be like the bobb house, one can be heard saying, they expect us to do the types of things that they do. And just to be clear, we are obviously not anti-porn on this podcast. We've spoken about our nuanced feelings about it in our porn deep dive. But I think it is really interesting and it's really naughty, but we have to go there. About what does this kind of pornified widespread content do, especially for young people absorbing it and seeing how normalized it is?

What does it do to their minds, their behaviours, their kind of formative years? I don't know. I think it's so interesting. So I actually follow a couple of OnlyFans girls on Instagram because I really like them. One of them being Ari Kitsia, who's like people absolutely love her. She refers to herself as a bop. also as a mattress actress. And I was, her following is largely female.

She very much appeals to the female audience, I think. And I wonder if part of it is because influencers being the traditional sort of like aspirational figure on the internet of the last decade, let's say. There is a curation to being an influencer. It's also so much more competitive now. And also you're beholden kind of to brands. So there is a level of you're kind of curtailed in what you can and can't say online. And it's actually also much harder to like make a massive living. With like only fans, creators and people who are making money directly from selling whatever it might be, whether it's porn or porn adjacent content, you're not beholden to like brands to be saying the right thing.

You can also make a shit ton of money and they seem to be living really fun lives. So they have become like the new aspirational figure of the internet for younger women who are looking to live an affluent lifestyle because at the minute what is viewed as what people want really is designer handbags and private jets and islands. Like we've got such a materialistic mindset now. Younger people really are when they think about work and career. I think we were lucky in a way to be told that we were that generation of you can be whatever you want to be. And we were like, we want to be physicists and writers. And we were really thinking about the work itself and what was going to fulfill us. And the younger generation is thinking about what is going to make me rich.

And they quite openly talk about this. I mean, even Princess Andre in the documentary we spoke about, she's talking about being a business woman. It's very much the attitude is. What job can I do? It doesn't really matter what the work is. but what is going to gain me the biggest amount of money. And I think that is why suddenly these OnlyFans creators are becoming the new aspirational figure because they're unbridled, they're unfiltered, they're living a life that these young girls see

as aspirational. We have somewhat de-stigmatised sex work or sex work adjacent work, not sentence, to the point where it feels okay, it feels socially acceptable to say, actually maybe this is the career path that I want to follow and they make it look glitzy and glam and they make it look easy. and especially if you're not consuming their sex content, which I haven't watched any of these only fans creators. I'm not actually seeing their work. I'm just seeing like the fruits of their labour,

being them wearing lovely clothes and going on private jets and dating rappers, whatever it might be. So I can understand how with like a slight degree of separation from the actual truth of the work, which when we talk about traditional sex workers, especially those that are doing it in real life and under much harsher conditions,

with that backdrop, you get a much different idea into it. you're a younger person doesn't really know about that and your only access to sex work is beautiful only fans creators who seem to be living the life of Riley. I can understand how it's appealing and how it might not even feel that weird to them that's what their like aspirational figures are. I think it's this that probably more than ever makes me and I find myself not aligning with anti-porn activists or you know swirfs or anything. Sex work is exclusionary radical feminist but I find myself I'm like oh I'm saying some of the things that they might say. I'm sort of like I'm very wary of it. I'm like it does start to feel

When you know that your content is appealing to this demographic, these young girls, when they're coming up to you in public, it almost does start to feel indirectly or intentionally or not like a recruitment tactic for underage girls to kindle an interest in starting their own only fans. And what we know, what we know from doing our porn episode and also from talking to listening to adult performers is the likelihood of making any meaningful amount of money or even just like a non-penny nominal amount of money is very low. the likelihood of making the sums of money that these young women are talking about, you know, the $6 million a month kind of money, you've got to forget it. Like, what is overwhelmingly like to happen is you make very little next-and-nothing money despite having to work like crazy, despite having to do your own promotion, build a following, build a name.

And I'm not shaming Onlyfans performers, adult performers, anyone in the porn industry. But I think as many of them themselves will say, you have to go into this with your eyes open. You know, for anyone to make a huge decision about their career, that cannot be undone at age 17 with abute of starting this age 18. It's a huge, like the world will not treat you well in many ways if you do enter the sex industry. Abuse is rife. Discrimination outside of that is rife in terms of housing and further

employment. People will prey on you. They will also try and seek out material to send to your family. There are so many things because we are, it's an evil and a sick world and a very misogynistic world and a very haphobic world. There are many dark parts to this. And it feels that this sanitises it in a way that is even it sanitises the hard work of it because they're making it all look very very fun in fact it's like managing your own social media paying someone else to do this um managing your finances social like promotion is huge it's a huge undertaking and it's a one in a billion chance probably yes but a very very slim chance that you will achieve this kind of financial security actually the chances are you could even

hamstring yourself for future employment I just I'm so trying to toe the line of not shaming or not discouraging or not actually feeding into this swirf rhetoric, which I hate. But I think it does a horrible job of portraying the reality because of course it's not reality, but a young girl watching her favourite creators is not getting that. She's watching like a cartoon almost. I sound like a swarf. No, not at all. I also, I just really quickly wanted to talk about the eroticism point that you brought up earlier because this is something I really think I find so interesting. Obviously I'm not Bonnie Blue's like target demographic, but I did watch her documentary.

And from what I've seen of some of the content of these Only Fans Creators, it's so on the nose. It's like so far away from what I find titillating or would make me feel any kind of way. It's just sort of sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex. And I'm such a big fan of a little eroticism, a little, ooh, what is going on here behind the curtain in the darkness, a little touchy, really touchy, touchy, touch, touch. And I don't, I really don't understand like what has happened to the art. sort of like sensuality and romance and like what kind of it also makes me interested to think about and sad to think about and we've seen countless articles about you know the rise of younger people entering into their first sexual encounters and that including strangling and anal and all sorts of like

extreme sexual aggression and I think we did have a real problem in the UK of an inability to talk about sex a real fear of talking about sex and that also increasing cases of assault and abuse because people felt like they weren't able to talk about it but instead of us bringing it out into the fore and talking about it in a productive and useful way and teaching younger generations about pleasure and the joy of sex and the ability to have like multiple sexual partners in a way that isn't damming and doesn't make you a damaged person. We've kind of just brought all the ugliness and put it slap bang out in the centre

and been like actually this is all fine, this is how it is and just go ahead and do it kind of thing. I find it very strange and I really miss maybe this is why like Romantasy is so on the rise but I miss eroticism and I miss sensuality and I miss romance and all. all of the parts of sex, which actually, to me, and I think, like, anecdotally to a lot of women, the best bits of sex are not the penetrative pumping. It's all the bits that lead up to it and it's all the bits around it. And it's all of the kind of the noise and the, maybe not the smells. But you know what I mean? And I just think that that is like, I feel a real sadness for the younger generation that I was growing up and my sort of like horniness was very much based

on like the hand on the window in Titanic with no other context. I didn't really know what they were doing. It was sort of in my head. I just imagined people. people like rolling around in the sand, you know, like the scene in Shrek with the mermaid. Like I genuinely had no idea of the nuts and bolts of what was happening. I just knew something was happening and I felt stirring in my tummy. And that was all I needed. And I just feel sad that they're going in from like total innocence to total depravity with absolutely nothing in the middle because the middle bit is the really fun bit

where you're sort of falling asleep thinking about something where you don't know what it is you're thinking about, but God does it seem like it be fun. The hand, everyone knows that hand, they're like slap on the window of the condensation. It's so, that was so impactful. Probably the most impactful hand movement of any film. Yeah, I totally agree with you. And it is interesting kind of placing it in the wider statistics that we're constantly fed about Gen Z having much less sex.

And honestly, from our conversation and from things that, another writer that I really love, Emma Garland, who has a newsletter called Gabrielle. It's just, it's so obvious why people would be having less sex in the current climate. It is exactly what you've both said, which is, sex is everywhere, porn is everywhere, but eroticism is nowhere to be found. And it is the Smithers meme. I'm sorry to bring it up again, but I can imagine why young people growing up in that environment would feel more aversion to sex because it feels so extreme.

It feels so physical rather than emotional. So it doesn't tie into a personal experience of all of the kind of messy emotions around sex. It must just feel like this. It's really hard to vocalize, but essentially I can understand why there would be an aversion. to a highly pornified environment without the understandings or human nature of sex really educated on or spoken about in a nuanced way. The other thing I was going to say is, we had so many great messages on this, but one of them was from Shami, who said, I didn't know about the bobbhouse, but Bonnie Blue and barely legal

porn as a whole is inescapable. I'm sure mine and perhaps many people's reflex response would be that profiteering from and promoting sexualisation of children and young people's appearances is abhorrent. say this through the particular lens of someone who works in child health and have the sense that teenagers today, despite a lot of progress and access to excellent sex and relationships education, are vulnerable to often disempowering and sometimes violent messaging around sexuality. To those points, my overall question is, whose responsibility is it that what is portrayed in sex work is ethical? What it says to me, it's like, we've talked about this before, it's like, the fault is

with this collapse of internet spaces and like the lack of demarcations. So there are no longer adults based online and children's based online. And as the piece goes into, like, this content reaches school-aged children. And not only does it reach them, it, like, informs their behavior. And if we're looking for people to blame, I think, again, it has to be with the people that allow this to perpetuate and profit from it. It's like this glut of, like, cartoonish, kid-like, quasi-porn brain rot. It's pervasive on every single social media. It is not, you do not have to go looking for it.

You cannot escape from it. And I think this kind of like pedophilic fantasy of it is revolting and just the idea that it's entering the eyes in the brains of young people informing their attitudes to one another and their understanding, like their long understanding and their view of sex way before that they will be having it, way before they'll even fully understand what it is, what it should be. Before that, it makes innocent little boys into basically perpetrators of sexual harassment to the girls in their class. and it makes little girls into victims of the kind of harassment and pressure that, you know, most of us, yes, have received, but only probably started to receive at the onset of the point when we were having sex. That's not a few. We got it that much later, but it is like just a bit more innocence, which is what you talked about, Noni. And I think we can shout and scream about the makers of this content. And really we should. But it's at a platform level and it's at like

a digital cultural level that this thrives. We've made basically one big internet and the victims of that are the underage users and everyone's children and it's like, and I think they will be profound victims of that in ways that we can't even fully comprehend. I just find it absolutely foul.

Yeah, I think this is such tricky question because it's happening across every sphere of the internet, which is we don't want to overly police what's happening. We do not want to stop people having the freedom to say, do and be who they are. and that unfortunately crosses both edges of that like both both extremes so we want to protect people having what their identity marginalized groups having access we want to protect protests we want to protect the right to speak up but that also means within under that umbrella falls the ability

for people to exploit the fact that there is really no legislation over who can say do act out perform whatever on the internet and so whether or not it's like a It's a social conduct kind of thing. It's, I guess, it falls on parents. It falls on education. The problem is, as we've spoken so many times, it's like, this is advancing so much quicker than we can ever get anything through legislatively or on the, you know, on the curriculum. Like, people and adolescence was like a great example of this.

Like, adults don't really know what children are consuming anyway. It's so we basically just open Pandora's box and no one really knows what to do. And I think that unfortunately what is going to happen is it's going to be a problem that we will resolve over the next decade but there will be a whole fallout like a whole generation if not generations of younger people who really suffer at the hands of of the way that this is all changing and I guess the only thing that we do have control over is if you're a parent or person around younger people is trying to find ways to educate and and give them the right information that's helpful but and I think also because of the way the world is so damning and everything

feels so difficult and everyone is like I said just looking for a means to escape usually through monetary value like these children are constantly looking for aspirational figures and at the minute this is just what's winning out but I think it's really really fascinating because it's also funny how you can just like operate in the world and you forget that like your parents are online like do they see all of this I always laugh on when I'm listening to Ellis James and John Robbins because John Robbins said that he always got these women with massive boobs who are like walking along but really bouncing their boobs like telling him information about stuff and he was like I just get that these videos constantly

and then I watch one and now I get them all the time and it's like it's sort of like if you're not looking for it I can imagine my mum my mom actually I saw this other day she follows some only fans creator

she definitely doesn't know they're an only fans creator and the content this woman is doing she's kind of telling you stuff but it's really sexualised but my mum is definitely watching it thinking this woman knows loads about I can't remember what she's talking about but it's like it's quite funny

that there'll be generations who are just oblivious to the fact that someone is actually trying to like get you to sign up to their only fans because it's so insidious it's kind of everywhere it's really funny it's funny and it's also highly depressing as i've said a million times i would just like to throw my phone

in a lake but illegal god that's broken my brain to think about your mom also accessing the same things that we see on our phones in my mind there are clear parameters and the only websites available to our parents are facebook the guardian and what's up and maybe instagram that's it but i guess they're still all problem places too yeah they're This is on Instagram. No, my mom loves Instagram, and she follows it. She's so sweet. She messages people about millions of followers, like replies to their stories and they reply back

to them. She's so cute. So she'll be telling someone. I'm like, I follow them. She's like, oh, we always chat. She's just so supportive. She's always like messaging everyone. It's really funny.

Oh my gosh. Imagine if it was Paul Meskow. She's just been messaging Paul Meskow. It's so, there was this like creator that I followed. It was like an interior creator. It was like 900,000 followers. And mom was like, oh, yeah, we DM. I was like, what?

Because she'll send them. Also, she's so good at, like, cleaning things. She'll always give people advice. So if someone puts like a question on the story, she genuinely thinks it's like for her. Also, she'll be like, they always come up. I don't know how I see their stuff. I'm like, mom, you're following them.

She's like, well, I didn't, they must have put themselves onto my page. I'm like, no. No, no. In terms of something you said right at the beginning of the chat, which is only fan to creators being the new kind of aspiration of the internet, we had a message from Ramsey who said, there as in people in the bobb house are earning two million per calendar month before tax in this

economic hellscape it's a faustian bargain and i think that is such an interesting point to this because they all talk about how much money they make that's part of the kind of provocative content that they do because it will either piss people off that they're these attractive young looking women earning more than any of us will make possibly in a lifetime each month or you'll look at it and think wow i really want to be them or i want to somehow copy them. And also the point that they made about it being a Faustian bargain, I think is so true because none of these women are engaging in actual sex work, as we said, in terms of, you know, they're not doing actual porn. But the Faustian bargain, ironically, seems to be

just the tactics they go to to go viral constantly. So presenting to be really young, engaging in barely legal content, but also just making up lies about themselves on the internet. it like the most like gross disgusting wild bizarre things and just like spreading it it's almost like I'm sorry for how pretentious this is but you know in the crucible when john proctor's like it's my name it's my name and he can't allow his name to be tarnished it's almost like in this day and age to really go there you have to really bury your name in as many layers of shit as you can and that's really the lowest denominator to going the most viral but people are willing to go there people just don't care anymore. They'll assassinate their own character first if it means they can say the

wildest thing first and get the money from it. And that's the thing I find the most unsettling, I think. It's the barely legal stuff, but it's also that readiness, the eagerness to bury yourself online to get their first to just like pick up as many coins so you can first. And these are women who self-proclaimed want to be billionaires. It's not like I want to be comfortable. I want to be a billionaire, which is such a 2020's aspiration. It's such a, it's again, it's, evidence of this moral rot, I think, and I don't think that this is a morally rotten person because she's a very young woman. Why wouldn't you think I see billionaires out there? They're all men. I want a piece of this part. I'm a hard worker. I'm smart. I'm savvy. I've got what it takes.

But it's like just the very existence of that drive. And to do so at all costs, it's like, you want money. There's nothing else in that. I don't think of any, there's nothing of substance in there. It doesn't speak to joy or even stability or even. And I know a lot of these women grow up very, very poor. But it's, it's beyond that. It's like, I want a frightening. amount of money. I want excess that people have never dreamed of. And that worries me as much as anything else. And we had a message from Adele who said, I do think 18 is way too young to fully understand all implications this job might have on your future, including career prospects, relationships, mental and physical health, something that Ari also speaks about a lot, the less

glamorous side of work, such as constant hemorrhoids, etc. And it is also incredibly concerning that there is such a high demand in barely legal content, but are we surprised. Unsure what the solution is here, but perhaps the age of adult content creators should rise to 21 plus or something like that and it's just the lack of it just feels like they don't care it's not a concern it is i will do this at detriment of all else the hunger for it is something else and i to have that at 18 i do wonder again we've spoken in earlier episodes about child stars who are put through you know growing up way too fast and and then what your priorities become but these priorities really frightened me and also i think there is something whatever whatever age you are that is repugnant about

leaning on or exploiting the male fantasy of underage or semi underage women of like teasing the boundary of legality between adult and child. There is a level of revulsion there that nobody has spared from in my opinion. Like it's a paedophilic fantasy that I think is propping up a whole culture of abuse of women and girls. It's having braces longer than you need to. It's the lollipops of it all. It's it's the girlishness. And I think you scratch the surface of the internet and you find just the most depraved stuff and I think knowing that you're a part of that at some point that has to make you sick at yourself that has to be the outcome of this not just the exhaustion not not the humiliation of um you know there's a rumor that I pooed in a jar it's

I was a part of something in the culture that is harming children I I can't get away from that I can't get away from that these people know what they're doing and they don't care well that's exactly I was just trying to say they don't care and to go back to your point mature about this attention economy, about getting attention, virality being the most important thing. Individualism, this is the issue. It's like at what cost any, really at this point, like anyone is out for themselves. And so Bonnie Blue, you watch her and I think what's so infuriating it's like she can't be dumb. Like she cannot not understand the ways in which she's impacting women. But the thing that we cannot wrap her head around is she just doesn't care and people

don't care. And we've been primed and taught because of this neoliberalist, like individualist society. I am not a Christian, but some of the Ten Commandments had a point. Like, we are really missing out on shame. And I think that, I think that this social moral conduct, as much as we were so oppressed as women by so many of the structures that were there, there were also some things not to go boomer that like we need to bring back. We need to bring back shame. We need to bring back humility. We need to bring back accountability. And I'm awful people speaking and their truth and saying things that maybe before would have been a bit taboo and like feeling that openness.

But you're right, it's the fact that this isn't about saying something that's a bit shocking or, you know, revealing something that before no one ever would have been able to say. It's actually using really crass, damaging language to profit yourself. And there are real world consequences to it. And I think that we as a society need to figure out how to love thy neighbor, whatever else God said. Some of it was quite good. He or she, if you're out there, maybe you need to like do something. But yeah, I think there's been a real like social decline in terms of recognising. And I do think it is generational.

I mean, I've got so much Catholic shame and I'm like second generation, not even a Catholic. Maybe I could like redistribute that out a little bit. But yeah, a bit of Catholic shame. It goes a long way. Oh no, not the pivot back to Catholic shame. We really are in a recession of everything. Thank you so much for listening this week and for all of your amazing thoughts on this topic. Quick reminder that we're on Instagram and TikTok at Everything Has Content Pod

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