Everything Is Content - Is it time to abolish oversharing?

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

Beth and Oenone sail the Everything Is Content ship as a duo today because Ruchira is having the time of her life on holiday. Not jealous at all… but who needs a holiday when you have content… right?! We talk about the topic that has seeped into every corner of the internet this week - the royal photoshop fiasco, as well as child influencers speaking out and the Oscars! During our discussion of child influencers we mention eating disorders, child abuse and sexual predators. If you would like to avoid that section, please skip from 23’00 - 37’00. —NETFLIX: Green BookJONATHAN FRANZEN: PurityNEW YORK TIMES: Meghan Markle - The Losses We Share THE ATLANTIC: Kate Middleton and the End of Shared RealityGLAMOUR: Kate Middleton’s Health Is Not A Spectator SportCOSMOPOLITAN: What’s the Price of a Childhood Turned Into Content?TEEN VOGUE: Influencer Parents and The Kids Who Had Their Childhood Made Into ContentTHE GUARDIAN: Ruby Franke, YouTube mom vlogger, sentenced to prison for child abuseNEW YORK TIMES: What’s so funny about a naked man? MATTXIV: John CenaNATIONAL POST: Wokeness is no match for Sydney Sweeney's undeniable beautySLATE: Sydney Sweeney’s Boobs Are Not That Big—Follow us on Instagram:@everythingiscontentpod @beth_mccoll @ruchira_sharma@oenone ---Everything Is Content is produced by Faye Lawrence for We Are GrapeExec Producer: James Norman-FyfeMusic: James RichardsonPhotography: Rebecca Need-Meenar Artwork: Joe Gardner  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

we need like an alarm for like this is perjury what's it called when you like talk about the treachery treachery we need a treachery alarm this is everything is content i'm beth and i'm anoni and richira is usually here but she's on a very well-deserved holiday right now we miss you already this is the weekly pop culture podcast where we dissect everything that you've been chatting about online and in real life books tv tiktoks red carpets we have a lot to say about all of it we're the tulips that you throw into your basket at the end of your content weekly shop on today's episode we'll be chatting about the kate middleton photoshop fiasco and the Oscars and remember to follow us on Instagram at everything is content pod and if you're listening to this podcast around the time

of release we have a giveaway for a copy of Penance the book that we spoke about last week for you and a friend so do head over there to our Instagram at everything is content pod to throw your name in the hat gorgeous this episode contains some sensitive topics please check the episode description for a list of trigger warnings and only what have you been loving this week okay i've been loving a couple of things things things they actually on that really funny story my boyfriend's friends once dated this girl and she sent him a text message and she was like she wrote cutler as like couple of as c-u-t-t-l-a and now I always go can I have a cutler it's just so good it's such a great one was she like an eastern market trader she's like quite a pot she sounded like me but she tapped in this message she's like just going for a cutler drinks which

makes me think of like you know when people say like bone apple tea or something like they just miss her like maybe she didn't know she thought it was a cutler i love those so much okay that's gorgeous so i got a cutler recommendations for you the first one is a film which has just been put onto netflix but it came out in 2019 i believe it's called the green book have you seen it i don't think so so i hadn't seen it either but it was one of those some saturday nights in where you're like i really want to watch a really good film so we're on the netflix and it was like award-winning films we put on green book which sorry i got wrong it's a 2018 comedy musical

i've only just realized is how it's um put down on the old interwebs it stars vigo mortensen as tony lip and maha shala alihala Ali as Dr Donald Shirley and basically the concept is Tony Lip is this Italian-American guy that works at the Copacabana he's like a cheeky chappy everyone loves him he's really good at getting the job done he'll punch someone to sort something out and the Copa closes for a bit and he's looking for work and then there's this guy he gets a phone call saying someone's looking for a driver so he goes to this interview and when he gets the interview it's a black man wearing like amazing robes that lives in this gorgeous flat above a theater and we've already seen in a clip before that this character the italian-american guy is

quite racist and has never really hung out with black people before so when he goes to this interview to be this driver for this man you're like oh no this is not gonna work out well and you kind of just think get out of the situation so oh and oh my god also sorry so it's set in 1962 but it's one of those things I almost don't want to tell you this but you'll find out it's a true story but I didn't know that until right at the end of the film so I was crying at the end of film because it's so beautiful it's basically a story about like friendship and merging boundaries and understanding your prejudices and so he he becomes the driver for this this doctor of music and it's so uplifting and it's so beautiful but it's like also quite harrowing because it's not that long ago and the legislations around where black people

are allowed to enter is absurd it's like the bathrooms they're allowed to use even when he's like the guest of honor and he's doing these incredible performances to all these like highfalutin people they then will try and make him use like an outhouse's bathroom or won't let him get ready in the normal green room and stuff and you just forget how fucked up it was anyway so that is it's it's not a new film but i think it's new to netflix it was so beautifully done i didn't want it to end like i didn't want to go to bed i wanted the story to carry on you know and it's like so you're crying but it's not a new film, but I think it's new to Netflix. It was so beautifully done. I didn't want it to end. Like I didn't want to go to bed. I wanted the story to carry on, you know,

and you're just like, you're crying, but it's so gorgeous. And you're like, I was a bit fragile actually, but anyway, my second recommendation is also not a current book. It is Purity by Jonathan Franzen,

which I actually just picked up because it was on my boyfriend's bookshelf and actually apparently just belonged to his old housemate. And i'm loving it so can you tell us about the this what was it jonathan franson jonathan franson the book is called purity i just thought the cover looked nice and it said it had won lots of awards i started reading on the train and within two pages i was like this is the best book because i'm looking at you holding it big that's a large wide yes it's big i think it's like it's 500 something pages i am 186 in i'm gripped i'll read the blood because i don't almost know how to explain it but pip tyler doesn't know who she is she knows that her real

name is purity that she's saddled with student debt and a reclusive mother but there are a few clues as to who her father is or how she'll ever have a normal life then she meets andreas wolf internet outlaw charismatic charismatic provocateur, a man who deals in secrets and might just be able to help her solve the mystery of her origins. I've never actually read any Jonathan Franzen. For a while, like I thought, I was quite embarrassed about that because he's meant to be like this kind of big powerhouse of literature. What I do know of Jonathan Franzen is like, he's like maybe a bit of like obnoxious,

like he's kind of a caricature in like the literary scene, but also renowned as like an amazing writer. i do need to read some franson are you going to buy some more franson or see if your boyfriend's got i'm really it's funny because my friend actually said to me not that long ago that she was reading him i didn't actually know anything about him maybe that's really silly but i don't know it's something that i needed it feels so real and it is i do laugh out loud and that's really unusual that is so unusual for a book and also like a book this is written by a man it's about a woman and you're not reading it going like rolling your eyes that is a skill another thing that I was thinking I actually had an internal conversation with myself thinking like I wonder if I've got some internalized misogyny like if this was written I was trying to wonder about if it was written by a woman if I

would think differently of the text but I also think I naturally steer away from reading like if I'd have been like oh it's my first Jonathan Franzen going to be a book but written by an older man or like I don't know how old he was and we wrote it about a woman I probably have like a little internal bias so it is about women but it goes through the characters so the first like chunk is about Pip Tyler then we go meet Andreas Wolff then it flips so there's lots of I don't know how many times the characters switch but we go through different people's perspectives is it like first person like I mean the first one that comes to my mind is like cleopatra and frankstein is it that sort of like interwoven first person narrative no it's it's all a narrator talking oh i see but the perspective shifts so sometimes it's from pip's point of view and sometimes it's from someone else's point of

view i might read her i mean i really want to lend you after do i love a dog i don't i don't know what it is about but you know I just I was in and then I was like god I love this book and it's not even I can't even explain it properly you've got hyper focus on it I'm like I'm in

I'm in gorgeous what have you been loving this week Beth? I've been loving The Curse which is a TV show of course

it's me watching a TV show but it is it came out last year what do you mean little miss Longreed? I mean that is true but I am like glued to my TV at the moment I'm not leaving the house so I've been watching The Curse this is actually the second time I've watched it and I'm just obsessed with it so I'm

watching it with someone this time so like I know what's gonna happen um and they're like obsessed with it but they're like where's this going I'm like you don't even know what is it so it's Nathan Fielder okay or Benny Safdie Emma Stone so it's nathan fielder ben or benny safty emma stone so it's emma stone it's a series it was a showtime series in america which i don't really know what that is again i watched on paramount it's like i think it's i want to say eight parts emma stone and nathan fielder play asha and whitney um seagull who are a married couple who are kind of like real estate moguls they built these really eco-friendly, expensive houses down in New Mexico in the city of Espanola. Within the show, they're trying to pilot their own show, which is about their real estate journey.

And they're like kind of infiltrating this existing indigenous Native American Pueblo community and building these homes at the same time of being like, we're not here. We're not gentrifiers. We're like really good people. Like we're completely on the side of the Pueblo community and building these homes at the same time of being like we're not here we're not gentrifiers we're like really good people like we're completely on the side of the Pueblo Nathan Fields's character Asher in one scene goes like buy like a bottle of water from like a street vendor's daughter so this this little girl and he like shows off like gate gives her like a really big bill and then when the cameras are off or like when he thinks the cameras are off it's like okay well obviously give me that back I'll give you like a normal amount of money and she curses him she's this little girl and it's a TikTok trend that she's heard of and she curses him and he becomes convinced that he has been cursed that they've been cursed and it's like basically

unfolding of like their marriage them like spending all this money them trying to get this pilot off the ground and it's just the most baffling and bizarre it's about like kind of what's the good premise because it's so current as well like even that thing of giving the money and then that being like behind closed doors is there going to be another series do you think so the way that this series wraps up they've said maybe um i think the idea came from like the depths of like nathan fielder's excellent mind but ben safty said or benny safty said it could be but like it's way too early to say the way it ends it's like nothing i've ever seen also do you want to say like emma stone i know that she won that the oscar yeah i'll say that

award she won the oscar for like her performance as bella baxter we loved her in that i think this is like as remarkable as performance she's so good in this yeah like shocking anyway you can watch it on paramount plus via prime maybe showtime if you're in america but i don't know what that is so i can't confirm and our baby girl's not here but apparently we have a voice note from her producer faye hit play hey girlies i'm on holiday this week so i'm not with you which i'm really sad about i hope you're having the best time i did want to tell you about one thing I watched on the plane ride over. I finally watched Priscilla, the film with Jacob Elordi and Kaylee Spaney, I believe her name is, the Sofia Coppola retelling of Priscilla's memoir.

I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I think I thought, because I've seen a few of Sofia Coppola's films before, and apart from Lost in Translation, which love, I don't really get on with, I guess, the pacing of her films. They can be quite slow and it's very aesthetic, which I adore, but I think I always need something a bit more fast paced. Whereas with this, I feel like the beginning was kind of traditionally her slower pace there's lots of Kaylee Spaney in school loads of scenes of her just I guess longing and kind of just like the time ticking by whilst she can't see Elvis and deliberately I guess that kind of slow pacing works really well because it really feels like the feeling of being a teenage girl and obviously her situation is not comparable to me fancying a

boy at school but um you know the feeling where time just goes so slowly and you're waiting for a text or some kind of message from this person and they're almost just in control of your, I guess, your life in a way. Yeah, it's kind of grim, but also just like something so deeply relatable. So I think her pacing worked really well for the first half. And then the second half picked up, which I enjoyed way more, which is their life together kind of quickly falling apart and surprisingly as well just beautiful beautiful outfits and makeup and

really really made me want to I don't know like change up my look maybe I want to do a 60s 70s or 80s thing now I liked that Jacob Elordi did a really good job as Elvis but the story wasn't about him the only kind of role he had was just to kind of I guess pivot Priscilla's direction and narrative throughout the film and I think he did a really good job as well of um being charming enough that you could kind of see how somebody could fall into his under his spell but also just like horrifying and mercurial and kind of scary on multiple occasions to be to be honest without spoiling anything but yeah really really liked it and really would recommend watching it especially for anyone who doesn't know if they particularly love um sophie coppola films i think this one marries a lot of stuff that she does i think it worked well it's not my favorite film

from the last year. It definitely surprised me and I definitely think there's enough in there to make it enjoyable. And also, yeah, obviously her cinematography is just completely, completely gorgeous. So every few seconds I was like, oh, maybe I should just take a still of this

and make it my phone background or something and just go back to Tumblr girly lifestyle. Missing you both, missing everyone, missing the podcast and speak to you soon love you oh my god that's so thorough that she did that on hold have you seen it no i can't believe we haven't spoken about it have you seen it i went and watched it with my friend with two of my girlfriends and it was like a really empty cinema

and we were just like squealing and stressed the whole way through because right at the beginning obviously priscilla's super young when she meets albus and you kind of don't know that's really jarring and the actress looks so young but then simultaneously we all fancied jacob and lordius albus so much we're getting really we were like i felt cross because i was like this is like not gonna happen at least when you're young i haven't had a crush basically on someone in a film or like in a show for ages when you're a teenager and you have a crush on someone there's like a chance in your head you're like maybe I will meet Justin Bieber or like maybe I'll go to a concert and they'll see me maybe I'll stand in the concert and I'll wave and they'll look and go wow that girl isn't wearing

eyeliner so I'm gonna go out with her she's 14 and I want to go out with her she's never dyed her hair it's like stuff like that I'm like what makes me not like other girls but I was watching this film and I was like this is never gonna happen for me so it's like it's really uncomfortable to the start and then she kind of comes into her own but it's still it's I thought it's it's something I would watch again because like you said it's just it's like um a feast for the eyes and there's a bit where they go to this gorgeous home as well and you just think fuck I hate capitalism I really want the world to be equal and stuff but oh my god if I could have a house like that i just don't know what i'd do gorgeous i don't know like when we went to see poor things which i was like can't wait for it to be later and we're like

no we're not going to see it she's finally got to see it oh yeah poor thing and then now she's seen this week the main topic on the internet has been kate middleton i would argue it's been a topic for longer than that but i think in light of the recent photograph editing thing it's kind of taken on a whole new conversation because reputable outlets are now discussing all of the stories which prior to now were kind of chalked up to very tinfoil hat silliness so this arrived in like i was in my group chats like three weeks ago has been like discussed on the internet since last year in like certain circles and now everyone everyone yeah basically if if somehow you have missed this Kate posted a photograph on Mother's Day taken by William because it said it had a little like camera emoji and it said Prince of Wales 2024 so the idea was this is a picture taken this year by

William and obviously sleuths on the internet started like looking at the picture and people were kind of looking at the edits and started to notice there were bits that kind of looked funny so there was a zipper on her jumper that didn't match up and there's a bit on charlotte's skirt and there's various things to the point where ap and all of these big press agencies did this big kill notice which is basically they're like you can't publish this photo because we think it's been tampered with what we know what's confirmed is that it was edited because she said or a tweet came out signed by her that said i edited this like confirming it had been edited and everyone has taken it beyond and gone but how we don't know how far it's been edited like we've not seen

they've not released the original so the internet has taken upon themselves well this is i think what made it worse is people were saying it looks like it's been edited but I was quite happy to believe that look it's really hard to get everyone to look nice in a picture and if you've got three kids and I have to say you can't look that pitch it's just not feasible so but I think what made it weird was her kind of notes app apology which she did on Instagram stories someone had literally gone onto Instagram clicked create mode and typed in black text on a white thing like many amateur photographers I do occasionally experiment with editing sorry for any confusion signed C which is meant to be Catherine it's unusual for the royal family to

one respond to anything that the internet's saying yes like pre-2021 it just they just weren't really involved and now it seems more's coming out to account for the last thing and none of it makes anyone reassured at all and it could literally just be that their PR is really old-fashioned and they have absolutely no social media literacy and because she's not well and she's not doing whatever they've told us well she's not going to be around and people are like now something else is going on. Like no one is taking that company line as truth. Well, I wonder if we're seeing the repercussions of Spare, which kind of loads Harry's memoir.

Lots of people thought hadn't done anything, but maybe actually it has created this, not illusion actually, it's got rid of this disillusion that the royal family aren't human. That level of intimacy or that level of conversation between the royal family and the public is probably what's made everyone more doubting in like the book and the documentary that they did with netflix they kind of just showed us how it worked like it was kind of showing us how the magic trick is done how the

sausage is made and it wasn't like that was hidden but no one really thought about it and now we go kind of like joy it's like a kind of project that we're all in on to figure out what's going on. And obviously we don't know because they tell us what they want to tell us. But with the advent of like new technologies, we can know that something's been edited. We have this like digital literacy to be like, that's different, that's this.

We're kind of like at home sleuths. I think the other thing that's interesting is they have, especially Kate and William, the like younger royals, have been trying really hard in the last decade to create a sense of normalcy around the royal family so they will talk about issues they've had whether it's talking about mental health whether it's Kate talking about or Megan sorry wrote that piece about her miscarriages yeah there is there's been this openness so suddenly for the door to have been

shut I think that's why people are like if Kate's really unwell why doesn't she say why don't they say Kate's not well enough she doesn't want to appear in anything rather she's well enough to have this like very because it's all of this kind of like confusion but back to a bit about editing pictures there was such a good piece um in the Atlantic entitled Kate Middleton and the end of shared reality nothing is true and everything is possible by Charlie Wazell and basically it's about how this has happened in like the perfect storm because we have this raise rise of AI and do you remember the whole thing with the popes wearing the Montclair jacket last year oh my god yeah and just stuff where people are starting to

learn terms like media literacy understand how to dissect an AI photo whilst that's been good in terms of we're learning now how to exist in a digital landscape that could be edited we're also now all on high alert nothing here suggests from like experts looking at that it definitely edited but not AI but immediately people went that's AI look at this because people are now can't can't can't trust anything this piece kind of explains that why that happens so i'll quote a bit from the piece that they say the post-truth universe doesn't feel like chaotic science fiction instead it's mundane people now feel a pervasive low-grade disorientation suspicion and distrust

and as the royal photo fiasco shows the deep fake age doesn't need to be powered by generative ai a hasty photoshop will do i think what's so interesting beyond this is at the central of this there's a human who all of us want to be well and no one knows what's wrong with her and i don't think we should know whether or not she's had her appendix out and it's just chilling in bed watching netflix because she can't be asked i don't get it shouldn't be relevant i think what's interesting around that is i don't know how the royal family will kind of come back from this because it shows there's a level now of give and take that people are expecting it's interesting because obviously we weren't we were very young when like diana was like in her divorce when like everyone wanted

access to her so and people were really invasive but because didn't have the internet like that it had to be photographers that went out and like found bits and fed them to the tabloids whereas had we had the internet I imagine that would have been the big topic yeah completely to bring in penance from last week I'm just thinking about how we are the same people that will sit here and talk about how social media for a can drive people to insane places and how people hounding Diana was the cause for her death yet for some reason I also am and we're doing it now but hopefully not to that degree but why are we not adding 20 together the reason I'm saying about penance is it's like in the book when the journalist is talking about how the same people that are kind of

like bringing you down will be the first people to be like oh my god i can't believe this has happened and i feel like that's a bit what's happening with kate where we we a lot of the people that are like speculating most heavily yeah well also the people that were very anti megan being hounded for example this is it actually and you're and you're right like i wouldn't have thought that i would participate in this or like be sucked in by it be taken in by it and it's almost like if we're here we're talking about like the context that exists in where it's actually about the technology it's actually about our relationship to power it's actually about like what a famous um powerful connected person is allowed um in terms of like kind of leeway to do things that we're at the

tipping point so maybe that's what people think they're talking about there was another piece in glamour which i saw by al turner and it says kate middleton has asked for space so why are we treating our health like a spectator sport which is kind of what we've been talking about so they say on mother's day under enormous pressure kate posted a picture of herself and her children said to be taken by prince william earlier in the month to her official instagram account however the picture was later issued a kill notice by top voter agencies including the associated press etc etc etc l l the journalist says i don't know to her official Instagram account. However, the picture was later issued to kill notice by top photo agencies, including the Associated Press, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Elle, the journalist, says, I don't know about you, but it looks a lot like bullying. It feels as though the world is getting a warp satisfaction from another person's suffering. As for the hastily edited images, they feel like more of an act of desperation

than manipulation to me, which I get. Some of the stuff does really make me laugh. Some of it is really silly. It's like she's obviously had a friend and just waiting for it to grow out yeah which is such a funny thing to say and also fair enough if that is true I support UK like sometimes banks don't work on some people but it it feels very much like there could have been a solution to this in terms of like how the PR has played it and that's I think because it's normally such a well-oiled machine I know I mean I actually can't I think the thing is because it is so unusual

because it's all been very seamless you just imagine I think they're just trying to play to to maybe younger audience or like a kind of keep up with the modern tech they shouldn't have done that they should not play the tabloid game they should just do here's our written like statement from the palace or something because it feels so different you have to do a perfect job of that like as a pr like it could just be that fumble but you have to do a perfect job because we've all got a lot of time on our hands but also it's a there's it's very infrequently that there's something that everyone can unite over so like not everyone watches football not everyone watches love island everyone knows who the royal family are it's like a collective there is every pocket of the internet that i am on is populated by this conversation whether it's like a collective there is every pocket of the internet that I am on is populated by this

conversation whether it's politicians whether it's like reality tv stars so I think there is something in that where it's like brought the countries together so anyway we will keep an eye out on this hopefully everything's fine but the story just doesn't feel finished yet so this week writer for tessa latifi had two articles come out about basically like parenting influencers and their children so for cosmo she spoke to the child of a popular parenting blogger um whose name has been like or whose identity has been anonymized um about the effect of being like the subject of content all throughout your like childhood adolescence and like the effect that has on you as you approach adulthood and another piece that the same writer wrote for Teen Vogue where I think she talks to a much younger like a um who's anonymized as Claire who I think is not quite an adult yet and is like

considering when she turns 18 going like no contact with her parents because of this relationship they've had which is like kind of really like business-like and she feels that she has been exploited that Cosmo piece I think what's so shocking about it is I personally am of the opinion that you should never use your children and content for um monetary value or building your audience anyway whatever because I just think it's exploitative no matter which way you slice it but that the reason that's so shocking that piece is her mum was saying to her like what if what if we can't pay the rent and I need you to be editing this and she says at one point she goes around to a friend's house and she couldn't believe they weren't creating content I mean that just makes you feel sick my hope is whenever someone's got their kids in a video that

maybe this I don't have children this very idealistic view but that just that they're doing a video and they're like come in mommy let's do a dance and it's kind of all very innocent and the children aren't actually working they're just kind of being caught on camera or being apart but this just shows how much darker it is it is and it is a labor so they're being worked um and they are earning the money and they are kind of involved in a family business and they're not for the most part getting um compensated for it so in the team vogue piece the writer writes that like basically talks about how the law in america especially is really lagging behind the culture so i think there's one law at the moment which is stalled in Washington if it was passed like its aim is to

ensure in the same way that I think um young actors child actors under Coogan law requires like 15 percent at least of like the money they made is put into a trust for them none of nothing like that exists um in most states or like globally for child influencers and content creators so like because the advent of it like a few years ago maybe there was like family bloggers and like now they're coming of age but like nothing's really been put in place to make sure that revenue earned by a family is actually distributed to the children i haven't sort of like written about this work and obviously like lived through it but as an influencer i think what's so tricky about it is we live in a society where i mean we live under capitalism you have to earn money people are creating these careers online see a

sudden uptick in their content when they post their children start living a certain way start having the standard of living i think your relationship with your children's probably really warped if from the minute you've had them, you've posted them as content. I think that it'd be quite hard to, not for everyone, but I think for some people,

if you've always posted your child as content, not only do they exist as your child and this thing you've created, they also exist as like part of your online world. And like that she says in that piece, it's hard to differentiate. I think what's difficult is without those laws in place,

this is just going to keep happening. And even with people that wouldn't necessarily have a proclivity towards using or abusing their children in this way, especially at a time when we're living through such like economic instability, it's really sad. But I think often money or other things

can override our instinctual want to love and look after and nourish people around us. And it can actually change who you are. So people are making like a lot of money sharing their kids and YouTube videos. I wouldn't be surprised if someone that would never have imagined themselves doing that ends up being this abusive, coercive person in pursuit of fame power money and because if there's no precedent for it like you don't know one what your children are going to grow up to be what you know a child at that age maybe doesn't know any different they will maybe grow up to think i wish i hadn't done that i didn't have the voice i didn't the agency a parent even a great parent might assume everyone's having fun doing this our lives are made better by it this is just a great fun family thing without realizing

like that it is, has a potential to affect a child in the moment and then later. I'm going to butcher this name but Bobby Althoff, Althoff, who is a, like an interviewer

and I didn't know she even had children but was, No, she has kids. She's got two children who she did used to share on the internet. She's got two daughters.

Isn't she like 22? She's 25. So she's got two very young daughters and she used to share them like faces, names until she shared something and like jokingly and like the comment section was people being horrible to her daughter in that moment she was like i'm not doing this anymore deleted all traces of them from the internet now refers to them as richard and concrete um and like never shares their faces talks about parenting so like it's still you're able to create a community online

you're able to monetize community online you're able to monetize motherhood and like kind of make it your bread and butter without sharing your children and like compromising like their future safety or like their present safety their future like kind of dignity and stuff so I think there's ways to do it and as more people do pivot from that stuff there's no way as a parent to not be aware the of the darker side you can't plead ignorance well so even not even about the darker side because that is definitely a thing and i've got into rabbit holes where i've watched where people will show you like what people are actually commenting especially it's videos you've got like young girls doing gymnastics and stuff

and you do not even want to understand the way that these adult men are talking about these young girls but i got into a squirrel hole the other week where I'd watched this gorgeous family when it was a mother with these beautiful children they all were doing like an app that was some clothing thing and then my algorithm just started showing me all these different beautiful mothers with their beautiful children and sometimes you can tell they've got like the Paris filter on the kids or whatever but after I watch video after video after video and you see it's like kind of the same format I started to wonder like what does that do to that child when instead of you're like okay we're gonna play and you're looking them in the eyes you're

getting them ready for school you're talking to them you're going like we're gonna film a video now and then they watch you and like how many takes of that video are being done and do you tell them off if they don't smile and what if they don't want to do it I just think it's training a child to be what to be like it must completely fuck up with your brain chemistry to be constantly being recorded like the only videos i have for me as a child are like ones taken on a camcorder where you didn't even know your dad's filming they're so candid they're the sweetest things ever because you're laughing you're running on screaming like i am i'm someone that's overcoming eating disorder and

for the most part i'm pretty happy with how i look but because of being someone that has to be online all the time i'm way more aware of like how I look than perhaps someone that works in a people-facing job where they're not having to think about it. So if you're putting a three-year-old or even younger up until they're in their teenage years in front of a camera constantly, and there's some element of preening and beautifying for you,

I just can't imagine what that does to a child. And I can't imagine how these does to a child and I can't imagine how these mothers don't think about that I know it sounds but no I agree and I think you can to a certain degree kind of go well I'm just turning on the camera like you can argue that it is all natural but you know it's not when someone is like dressed up like little girls obviously some of the time do look very cute I've been there on my pigtails but after that point like you're a little girl you're in the mud you're not looking cute you're kind of like roaming yeah and that's not shown on a lot of these like it's little girls looking very put together and it is almost like they've gone now perform I yeah I I feel I got really funny about it because sometimes

I love watching videos of children and then I have like an almost a zoom out thing and I'm like oh actually I don't want to be watching someone else's kids like it doesn't feel right they haven't consented to this and nothing confirms that they are enjoying or even worse when people are showing them disciplining their children showing things which are quite humiliating for the for the children so it's a meltdown or it's a tantrum or it's like a an accident that is exploitative last month a former youtuber ruby frank was sentenced for child abuse um and this is like a really new quite a new story and i was so shocked by it but basically she's found fame giving controversial parenting advice and she would kind of often punish her children people were condemning her

like in the comments long before yeah the arrest happened these weren't the the things happening behind these scenes this was literally lights camera action for these quite like really like quite strict punishments and like humiliating punishments for young people and that some kind of the intent you'll get people being like that's a great idea and also like take your kind of follow your example in that like if you're kind of set an example of like how to parent if you're a parenting blogger it's very dangerous like your your influence is on other parents that suggests to other people that this is an okay thing to do it's also how do you police millions of videos on the internet this is where i think social media it got so scary because it's like on the one hand

i never want i don't want there to be the possibility that if you have kids you can use that to create a really luxurious career and and the children will have a terrible life in aid of you making this money which we know that they are which you know they are at the same time conversely like living in a totalitarian state that completely monitors every bit of social that we can't win i don't even know what the answer is but i would say that it does come down to one brands and to these companies not enabling uh that that mass monetization because i love seeing you know my friends babies i know i love to see what those guys are up to like on these like locked accounts or like not a lot of accounts but like no one's checking for them but like when it is a case of you are going to be rewarded for showing this much of a child's development

that can't stand i think brands especially we all have to collectively be like i don't want to work with the brand i don't want to buy from a brand that isn't like doing proper safeguarding because i think there's a difference between like even every now and then showing a lovely family photo and i'm not saying that no one should have to post their children i personally will never if i have children post them on a public account but that's me I don't judge anyone else that does but it's the it's when they're doing labor so it's when they're like having to act out it's when they're doing stuff that's taking away from their normal play and also because they can't consent I hate even to give it like the airtime but knowing that you know putting

a video out even if you go god what a cute thing and then seeing okay this has been saved a very strange amount of time I look at my um like following statistics which are available on most social media platforms I see the most people follow me are men of a certain age and I'm posting pictures of my child I think that has to be for anyone just like send like the fear of like god into you to know that's happening and then to not um stop doing it to kind of plead innocence uh i can't wrap my head around i'm not a parent but i can't wrap my head around why you would continue i find it really sad that people can't share their children for fear of the fact that there are going to be absolute weirdos out there that could have malicious intent with those pictures but

because that is the world we live in yeah i just think share with caution make sure your children are fully clothed don't be doing all the time there's just sickos out there and you have to protect your kids i don't know what will happen i don't know if there's a level of just willful ignorance or people think because they're not seeing they're not receiving these messages they're not getting like outright but it's not happening and maybe hopefully it's not we know that to a certain extent it is because we've seen the comments we've seen the saves and i think as long as those audiences continue to exist uh people will play up to it so i think some intervention has to happen on like the level of of uh the power like the corporation when it comes to the children of vloggers growing up i think this is just the

tip of the iceberg because they're all it's only family vlogging hasn't been around that long it's that one generation so they're all coming of age they're all coming of age now i will be shocked if you know a large portion of them aren't suing their parents aren't trying to get reparations from them say all of this and suddenly just think the kardashians are the blueprint obviously for this it is it's all access but like what you don't think is like a level of protection if you're doing this as like a very famous person I don't agree I don't agree like I kind of remember watching like the um the Osbournes and being like yeah something's not right here like I don't really need this level of access I can't see the upside if money is the only thing like as we say even if you show your children with you don't monetize them you just show them

like you know walking around with no socks on someone is going to try and like I just don't see the upside to sharing your your kids uh so we will link these pieces in the show notes and like have a read of them and and let's know what you think okay so we had what i'm hoping is the last of the big award ceremonies last weekend which was the oscars and i didn't what i've never watched it no i've never sat down and watched it i thought it's a long ceremony it's probably really dry with like a few really good bits and someone's like no it's really good crack it's really worth watching apparently it is quite good but we did ask you guys on instagram what you wanted to talk about this week and we had quite a lot of messages from people being like oh my god talk about the oscars and then we had a message from jess who said please just anything but the

oscars so i don't know i think switch off now if you're her i mean it does feel like maybe it's just we've been talking about it it does feel like award season has gone on for a decade does it always feel this long i don't i think it's because i don't like to talk about it and i obviously use this word every week but i've got fatigue yeah i might have a vitamin deficiency i thought that this year i felt like everyone was way more engaged in the oscars than normally but then i don't know if that's just because i'm of the age that's like into it everyone had watched barbenheimer so that's quite unusual because i think there have been oscars gone by when i would only watch the film once the awards had happened and then i'd go oh that won an oscar

maybe i'll watch that but also probably won't i did like i like the dog doing a clapping no i found that really weird did you see how they did it with dog arms yeah but were they real stuffed dog arms i don't imagine they were anyone that didn't see basically there's this dog actor messy messy and what i didn't understand the't imagine they were. So for anyone that didn't see, basically there's this dog actor. Messi. Messi. And what I didn't understand the concept was, they were trying to make it look like he was clapping.

But the angle of like, the way they put the arms anyway made no sense because it looked like he'd got his bottom legs and was clapping them up in front of his face. So that was annoying. That pissed me off to start. Anatomy pissed you off. The anatomy of it was all wrong. It's like, if you're going to make him clap

and you're going to fake it, like do something inventive and more real than that. And then I got quite weirded all wrong it's like if you're going to make him clap you're going to fake it like do something invented more real than that and then I got quite weirded out because it's like a man lying on the floor with these two dog legs on sticks that look like stuffed like they've just gone and found a collie in the street cut its legs off stuff them and stuck them on sticks and I didn't like that do you know she would die and I was like wow that dog's amazing that dog's really I also just thought everyone needs to grow up it's a bit like how um Miriam Margulies this week said that which I do agree that's funny because I love Harry Potter but she was like when I got cameos and people asked me to do Harry Potter I think well you

need to get over it was 25 years ago 25 years ago and then and that's kind of what everyone's like oh my god the dog the dog I'm like okay we got it there's a dog it's in a film like there are a few other like John Cena in his nuddy pants um again that seems not like juvenile because i know he's making a point but it's kind of it appeals to that kind of silliness the interesting thing that i found about this which i think is so true there was a really good tweet from matt x i never know how you say their name yeah i've seen that and it was basically like you think that drag brunches are turning your son gay it's not it's this and the picture of john santa completely in the buff rippling muscles and it's so true

this idea of like when it's fixed into this idea of like heteronormativity and he's a man and we know and he's an actor yeah and he's he's got no clothes on and also objectively a very sexy man to lots of young people like that's actually quite a shocking thing to see on the tv probably a child would be a bit more shocked for that than saying i don't know doja cat wearing a slightly sexy outfit which parents might get annoyed about do you know what i mean it's just funny where maybe i don't know but i think it's because he was just wearing like basically like speedos like the coverage was speed of coverage so i'm like obviously i don't know he had a little sign so it looked like he was fully naked this is true he was he was not naked but he was um but also i think it's like

this idea of kind of like what do we censor and why is it okay when it's yeah because there was bodies so what it was so apparently like it was it was a nod to he was presenting the costume department award like and basically being like this is how important they are without them we're naked pay i think it was a point about pay equity okay but i love it more so it's a new york times piece by ronda garrett called what's so funny about a naked man and in it she writes an exactingly chiseled naked male body on stage is only funny because it is unexpected because that is it does not belong to a woman seeing a naked woman on the stage at the oscars could never be funny simply because it's the norm to see female

bodies in various states of revealing dress on the red carpet and in movies as well that is so true and also i wonder if it's allowed to be funny and shocking because there's a level of detachment like we would never like laugh well actually people would laugh at a woman's body but like an inward laugh like they would be like she's not good enough or something not in yeah in that context with women without clothes on if a woman came out and did that sorry to be all so old-fashioned level one feminism but if a woman came out completely like with the tits on show people would be like she's got no shame this is embarrassing especially if she was at the peak of physical fitness as john is yeah yeah like but even if she was it just wouldn't be there's no way to win in that situation i i read the piece i think it's interesting i don't agree with the

whole thing i think some of it was a bitter read but have you seen i think it's called no hard feelings with jennifer lawrence i haven't watched it yet but there's a very like people have talked about a lot of fully nude fight scene in it where she and she's it's so funny is she nude she's nude you see top to toe and that is such it's so shocking to me like i was watching on a plane i tipped my gin and tonic everywhere i was so surprised but it was like wow how often do you see like and yeah she's obviously very attractive in that context this is funny it's kind of slapstick which is what he was doing there just to say i'm not a party pooper i have no qualms with seeing anyone naked and i quite frankly think it's funny i think me too i should no actually i think the reason that like you have to have these arguments is because how many freaking times are we going to be told that sam

smith's you know indoctrinating young kids or that like parents shouldn't be going to drag bunches which means that when you get this adonis of a man being naked on stage you can't help but go what if because if everyone else was allowed to exist that happily and as a joke in their body i wouldn't have an issue with it and i think that's so interesting about the jennifer lawrence things you only normally see women naked when it's titillating when they're being abused when it's like some sort of sexual show but actually i'm trying to think of like jackass and stuff when they just got their little willies bubbling around with their little balls like that's always funny you very rarely see women although we did in stamp town you do exactly but it's so that's why we love it so much it is

really funny it's so refreshing we haven't like quite crossed the rubicon in terms of like women's bodies are their only fair game in terms of like we tear them apart we can't really use them our own bodies for comedy without expecting like a barrage of sexism talking about bodies and comedy first of all sydney sweeney's snl skirt i felt so bad for her which which one all of them that whole oh i don't know i only saw clips of it i don't know how many because there's quite a few but i think a lot of them rested on their ha ha loads of them were like oh my god i wonder why madden find me funny and then it's just like god she's an actor like she can do this let her fly don't try and make everything about her tits and then she wore this amazing gorgeous dress that angelina jolie had worn which i loved that as a reference i love the idea that she's like the

new starlet coming into the show and that was for the vanity fair oscars after parties she wore this dress yes and everyone again just was talking about her boobs and it was just like that you can't get a break whereas john senn has got this massively rippling body and no one's going on it's not like we're not gonna go on it's just like oh okay he's in really good shape no one can look at sydney sweeney and be like oh okay she's got great tits it's like it's the discourse the two articles have come out in the last i think week or so both written by women one was by amy ham um it's called wokeness is no match for sydney sweeney's undeniable beauty which starts with theokeness is No Match for Sidney Sweeney's Undeniable Beauty, which starts with the most bonkers line.

Are Sidney Sweeney's breasts double D harbingers of the death of woe? No, but I think where this all started was there was a tweet where it was like Sidney Sweeney doing something and they were like, wokeness is over. As if like,

because she looks like this southern belle with big boobs, it's like, we've won. All you ugly, woke people. And it's like, you're like this southern bell these with big boobs it's like oh we're ugly won't feel and it's like you're like sorry they just so don't understand anything what does the language mean anymore none of that and to me i was like trying to decode it made no sense um and then there was another piece for slate sydney sweeney's boobs are not that big and then the byline was like if anything they're kind of average which i like really hate articles like

this like i think what's discussed in the piece which is kind of like why do we do this to women's bodies i'm like well you're doing it so like essentially being like well actually yeah um if you look at how big boobs can get this is somewhere in the middle and i'm like i was like she's obviously not part of the itty bitty titty committee yeah if the boobs aren't small they're big and it's so in fact because she can't get away with it it's not like she's a Dolly Parton who's created a career of having had like a massive

boob augmentation and Dolly Parton finds that really funny it's like her couture she loves wearing her wigs she wants people to talk about her body that she's designed like Sydney Sweeney

we don't know how she feels about her body like and she said I think she said to Glamour that actually like it was a thing she felt awful about

and she like covered them a lot and like found it really hard to be dressed because obviously in Hollywood people don't really have bazoomas they don't have jugs

so like getting like couture and getting this thing it was a long time before like people were dressing it for her body and also I do feel bad for big boot babes not often

but when but mostly I feel jealous but the times when I feel bad is I could do a Florence Pugh and go full nip out and no one would tell me off because you're not working with much there so it's like fine you little boy go fly yeah I just think yeah like she if she did that the world would end obviously at the moment like falls on the right side of like certain attraction like attention but

that can flip at any moment and like maybe she hates that but anyway it just feels very like why are we scrutinizing the proportions of a breast she's a fine actor she's fine acting so yeah the oscars was in my opinion a little bit dry but you know i just i'm gonna come on let's be serious i love looking at i love looking at the outfits yeah i could look at the outfits every single day i don't really care what happens but i want to see your dresses and i want to see your after party dresses yep i thought emirata's dress was terrible i've never even seen it a jackamoo most random thing you've ever seen it was like looked like cardboard stuck up it didn't make any sense but that's fun i love fashion thanks for listening we will be back this time next week make sure

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