Everything Is Content - Is Oppenheimer a Babygirl?

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

Guys… bear with us… but we’re talking about Taylor Swift again - and who can blame us? The timeline has been all about Grammy’s discourse this week so we’re wading in. We also discuss Apple���s new Vision Pro goggles and a captivating long read. There is reference to sexual assault in this episode. If you would like to avoid this, please skip from 2:30-5:30 in this episode. This episode also contains some very strong languageWe’ve decided that we’re going to read Penance by Eliza Clark as a group! We’re giving you plenty of time to get on with it, and we’ll discuss it at the start of March. —NEW YORKER: A Teen’s Fatal Plunge Into the London Underworldhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/02/12/a-teens-fatal-plunge-into-the-london-underworld JODI KANTOR, MEGAN TWOHEY: She Said https://www.waterstones.com/book/she-said/jodi-kantor/megan-twohey/9781526603265 THE GUARDIAN: ‘For 11 years I’ve kept it quiet’: Rylan on his breakdown, comeback – and the hidden story of The X Factorhttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/06/rylan-on-his-breakdown-comeback-and-the-hidden-story-of-x-factor  (trigger warning: this article discusses sexual assault) THE GUARDIAN: All of Us Strangers review – Andrew Haigh’s drama grabs you by the heart and doesn’t let gohttps://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/28/all-of-us-strangers-review-andrew-haigh-andrew-scott-paul-mescal VULTURE: How Taylor Swift Beat Sinatra https://www.vulture.com/article/grammys-2024-how-taylor-swift-midnights-won.html JASON OKUNDAYE: When did Taylor Swift become Taylor Swift?  https://twitter.com/jasebyjason/status/1754433866620719303?s=48 HAIG98: Working in the NYC subway on the go with Apple Vision Pro?!https://twitter.com/haig98/status/1753839916948009316 GRAZIA: Jacob Elordi Is ‘So Babygirl’, But What Does That Actually Mean?https://graziadaily.co.uk/celebrity/news/babygirl-meaning-definition/ — Beth’s book Romanticise Your Life is out now!  —Follow us on Instagram:@everythingiscontentpod @beth_mccoll @ruchira_sharma@oenone ---Everything Is Content is produced by Faye Lawrence for We Are GrapeMusic: James RichardsonPhotography: Rebecca Need-Meenar Artwork: Joe Gardner  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'm Ruchira. And I'm Anoni. And this is Everything Is Content, the weekly pop culture podcast. Every week we get together and deep dive into the stories that have lit up our pop culture world. We're trying to find the snowdrops peeking through the mud in the garden of content. On today's episode we'll discuss Taylor Swift, yet again no apologies. And our favourite baby girl. If you don't follow us on Instagram yet, what are you doing? Get over there. We're on at everything is content pod.

So, girlies, what have you been enjoying this week? So I have been loving reading. I read the most amazing long reads in The New Yorker. So it's by Patrick Radden K keefe who wrote empire of pain which was an amazing smash hit book about the opioid crisis in america so this is an investigative piece about a young guy zach brettler who felt his death from a riverside apartment in london back in 2019 there were so many failures in this case in terms of like proper investigating by the met the media failed to pick it up which is unusual because it was about the death of like an affluent

white boy in suspicious circumstances the writer Patrick talks to the parents talks to all of the players involved spends years on this case and it's just incredible long read like a complete testament to amazing amazing journalism it is really moving it's really well written it's just an incredible long read like a complete testament to amazing amazing journalism it is really moving it's really well written it's so balanced I would recommend it might take you like an hour and a half to read it but do we'll link it in the show notes I think you guys will love it oh my god yes absolutely I'm gonna read that you know there was the movie she said did you read the book by the two journalists who uncovered the Harvey Weinstein story no I didn't know that's probably it sounds like it's similar where it gives you so much respect for good journalism and you can't

believe that it is actually them like satin offices researching making phone call after phone call like finding stuff out stuff like that is just incredible and i don't think you see it enough i know it's controversial but i just love the films that kind of start off from a journalism story like hustlers you know how it was based on the cut article about women who were conning men out of their money who worked in a strip club I just yeah I think literally like you said proper journalism it really is inspiring isn't it. Richa what have you been loving? So I've been loving a profile in the Guardian um Simon Hattonstone one of the best profile writers going I would say um interviewed Rylan and the interview was actually so emotional it was so moving in it he talks about

having a breakdown from you know the fame that he's acquired over the last few years the intense trolling that he's got because on x-factor he was kind of the quote-unquote you know the joke contestant the one that's like meant to stir up laughs and like kind of be a bit divisive and controversial but he talks about the kind of weight that that had on him but more importantly I guess the main point of this is trigger warning that we'll talk about sexual assault right now he had a really traumatic incident happen whilst he was on that series of x-factor where his fellow contestant was raped he basically helped her through that incident whilst shooting that series of x-factor and obviously for the pair of them that was an immense amount of trauma to go through

and none of that was shared publicly he kept that a secret for years i think possibly a decade he said this interview is the first time he's spoken out about it with her permission he checked which i think is so so thoughtful and just an indication of what kind of character he is and during that event he helped her you know with the police he helped make sure that the hotel room was not cleaned so the police could come in gather as much evidence as possible he just went into survival mode to protect her and reading that I just felt so moved by it all he he seems like a really really lovely man and what was the catalyst for this piece that coming up out about now was it intended to be about that story or did it just come up so he

has a new show coming out on prime video from the 7th of february called hot mess summer um it kind of sounds quite wacky actually it's a reality tv program where quote-unquote narcissist type people are tricked onto coming onto the show and like made to become a better person with the incentive of a cash prize which i think is quite funny it does look really juicy that's wild yeah and also i guess a fun new premise for like quite quite original i'd say but yeah so instead of focusing on that which i think is really interesting because most celeb profiles kind of end up being like press releases for a show that's that's given a few lines the real meat of this piece is you know what's happened to rylan his personal life and how he's really battled a really tough time

over the past few years and i really would recommend giving it a read i didn't know very much about him after reading this i feel like i only wish him the best and i think he's a really nice guy i agree i felt quite weepy after it because i've liked rylan for a long time but i think when someone is that open and someone is like he was well aware when he was on the X-Factor that he was sort of a joke contestant he lent into it had this horribly traumatic thing happen had to kind of the show went on for him yeah and had to be laughed at had to kind of live out all of his like public kind of shaming for years before people took him seriously as like a presenter

which is where he's at now I just have a real soft spot for him he seems like a properly decent man agree I've always really liked him but I haven't read the piece because all I've been doing for the last how many days is squidging my newborn niece so guys do you have anything else to add before we move into the meat of the podcast I've got no recommendations sorry I love that that's been your life I have kind of like the opposite of like wholesome niece squidging I went to see all of us strangers at the cinema earlier this week I thought it'd be like a fun evening out which it was but it was a lot sadder than I anticipated I think I started crying maybe like 14 minutes in oh no so I just the poster I saw Paul Merskow friend of the pod we wish Andrew Scott beloved Claire Foy andie belt it's like a four

person cast and it is the most beautiful film it is the premise of it is really it's really difficult to talk about without giving too much away it's kind of supernatural but also like open for interpretation it's sort of about like the communion between like an adult man and his deceased parents who he lost when he was 12 years old and he's having this like present day relationship with Paul Mezcal's character this kind of millennial gay man and Andrew Scott is a little bit older he's kind of of an older generation of of queer men and it's kind of reconciling of different kind of generations of men loneliness connection love sex grief it is like absolutely walloped me would recommend seeing it with a friend so you can hold their hand but I came out like absolutely

gasping because I'd cried out all of my salt and my tears oh that sounds so good oh my gosh I'm scared of how much I'm gonna weep do go and see it but do like take family-sized pack of tissues okay scared of how much I'm going to weave do go and see it but do like take family-sized pack of tissues okay well speaking of Paul Mescar and Andrew Scott I don't know if you guys have seen this but obviously there's a lot to talk about when it comes to taylor swift and her latest album but something i also just want to start off with is the group chat with paul mezcar andrew scott and joe alwyn yes is entitled the tortured man club and they spoke about it back in may which i didn't actually hear about but obviously with taylor's new album being released and it's called tortured poets society department i think it's the

department of tortured poets or something of those that's right because it just makes me a dead poet society which seems everyone thinks that yeah yeah really obvious nod to the group chat yes apparently the thing is the group chat is based on the men from the sally rooney um oh the universe okay yeah which is quite boring but also fun because I can't imagine those three being friends no what do you talk about on that I don't know I well I guess being tortured and sad really yeah there's a lot there anyway so on on to Taylor Swift there has been so much chat about Taylor Swift and in a very different way than normal maybe like she has become as we've spoken about stratospheric and it feels a little bit like the the tone has changed the wind is gone what's the

something's changed the the tide is turning yes that's the one have you guys seen this chatter online since the grammys so the grammys was last sunday she won her fourth ever album of the year she's the highest which is the highest number of anyone who's ever won that award she announced her new album she just got a load of she's just basically winning every award and is on everyone's lips all the time and everyone's like but like when did this happen when was she like not just like pop's favorite girl country's favorite girl when was she like globally everything she touches turns to gold since when was she this much of a commodity yeah and i guess also because she beat an elusive record and she's only with frank sinatra stevie wonder and paul simon wow with

having one album of the year at the grammys for the fourth time so that's her that is just like historic with like the legend literally yeah wow and I think so Jason Okunday friend of the podcast did tweet when did Taylor Swift become Taylor Swift obviously it's not one singular moment but when would you say she really transitioned from the popular ex-country singer to a cultural behemoth and I do think it's a good question and loads of people have said actually it all started with that Kanye West intervention. Agree. Because basically by him kind of putting her down, that kind of elevated her so much because everyone felt like she was deserving of it that time.

And ever since then, she's kind of gone from strength to strength. I mean, since then she has had controversy after controversy. So that's the idea that all of this was born in one moment in 2009 when she was in her first big controversy. So she was like either a teenager or like really young at that point. So this was the first big brush with like infamy which if you look

at where she is now she's had like multiple and she's self-referential about it she talks about like in reputation she talks about like all of the big scandals and she's gone from strength to strength but also like loads of controversial things and and if that's the basis of what's going on here I don't think it tells the full story so I asked my friend Jasmine Sawyer's friend from school who's a massive Swifty who was posting on Instagram about the new album and stuff and so I messaged her I said can you tell me why you think she's like so successful and has such a big fandom her reply was oh my god absolutely I could do this all day so I think it's the fact that she's such a good storyteller and I don't just mean in her songwriting which is phenomenal but she's

turned her whole life into an event that has her fans hanging on to see what she does next every time she releases an album I'm so excited because I get to dissect the lyrics and speculate she uses the numbers and certain dates to signal when something else might happen so it's a constant game she also does the kind of relatable inverted commas thing which lots of people see through but many don't where she stands on stage and acts amazed that people are there to see her even though she's had a global fame for over a decade now so people feel like she's them in a way and she also doesn't dress well lol i'm so pleased she said this which i think adds to the girl next door thing and not really a celeb she

makes it easy to be a fan. Like there's always something to discuss and get excited about. But then she did go on later to say, but I don't think she's a good person because she's never stood up for anything, but I'm still that obsessed with her. Yeah, this is the thing that I've seen recently. When she did her Miss Americana Netflix thing,

she did speak out about, I think it was like the abortion bill in the state that she grew up in. She was like, this affects me. I'm going to stand up against this. Whereas you look now, she said not a peep about the conflict in gaza like she knows her power and she's very she's she's chosen in this case to say nothing about it and also um i feel like throughout throughout time and like her music history her songs have been weaponized by

really fringe groups um she became a poster girl for that kind of scene at one point and only really late did she comment on that i think that was a few years ago possibly 2021 i want to say and that was a big deal because she really hasn't been known to speak out about things very actively one thing i wanted to say is and only i feel like your friend made such a good point there and the only thing i was thinking of was i feel like she also created this Taylor law around her by hanging out with all of these celebrities having the girl gang hanging out with you know Karlie Kloss um all of these like massive superstars and having her besties I think she created this law around her that she was stratospherically famous before she actually had the music to back that up I feel like she was hanging out and making herself seem like,

well, I'm the biggest pop star of our generation as her music was just catching up to that as well. Also funny you said that, the next question I have was, once you start the law, it's hard to stop. I found it so interesting because my friend was like, it's just so fun. It's almost like a game.

But I did think it's interesting that she still was far enough away to say that I still don't think she's a good person. I found that interesting that you could be such a big fan. And at the same time. Yeah, because they will defend her to the ends of the earth. And that's why I've always been hesitant to even talk about my indifference to her or like my queries about this.

I mean, props to Jason for doing it because I just think the potential of the blowback is really huge. I just don't, I mean, I don't get it. And I'm really interested to have this conversation because I don't know is she this amazing lyricist is it like she leaves enough open to interpretation that like her fans are doing the work is it that she's capturing like the millennial nostalgia and like Gen Z's like kind of early romanticism like is it really do they sit in a room and decide how this is going to work or is this just like happenstance i think it's a bit of everything you said and i think kind of what we're all saying is she creates an event of every single thing she does so imagine barbie i feel like she does a barbie three times a year this album announcement at the grammys stole the show no one's talking about jay-z defending his wife in

comparison to the fact that this album has been announced, she respectfully steals the show with anything she does. I like her songs. I find them very catchy. I listen to all her albums. But when people quote her lyrics, I'm thinking, is that good? To me, it reads like a 16 year old. And also as someone that really does like poetry,

I don't find her lyrics to be very deep or smart. I find them fun to sing. I don't think they need to be deep and smart because I think they have to get the, I think they have to be middling to get the universality because i think if you go too deep and too smart too esoteric you deal with things that are like quite deep and quite scary you get people but you don't get everyone whereas if she speaks to everyone she speaks to like the experience of heartbreak for example the experience of longing the teenage experience of of you know

popularity of yearning you immediately the net is cast so wide I think it's quite clever what she does but I agree when I see them written down I'm like this this is your like these are the best lyrics okay but then you do actually when I was listening to them they do seem to get me you've hit the nail on the head I think it's the universality of her and I think she's commercially so successful and i think that's why people say that she's the biggest pop icon of our generation i actually found a stat in a variety piece from justin curto how taylor swift beats sinatra he says um prior to october 2022 most industry observers thought a million album week on the billboard 200 was no longer attainable in today's

standard economy adele couldn't do it drake couldn't do it and successful newcomers like morgan wellen and bad bunny couldn't do it then midnights posted a stunning 1.5 million units the first seven figure american debut since swift's own reputation in 2017 so she's she's selling records at a time where you know the music industry is like baffled with how to do it. And I think that is the universality. I think she's hit something where she has got so many people to understand heartbreak, longing, love,

and people love her for it. Yeah. I saw a tweet, which I think maybe is it, and it's obviously very basic, but Elle Hunt tweeted, it's basically working just like compound interest at this point she's been big for a long time and works tirelessly to get bigger and i think that is true and my last thing i want to say which i think absolutely blew my mind

there was one year age difference between adele and taylor swift i saw that simply cannot compete yeah and also like the albums adele's now it just did her divorce album Taylor Swift does continue to like stay in those situationship albums exactly stays in the waters cheerleading like heartbreak like early heartbreak first heartbreak that it's just so interesting like I really do think of Adele as being like a grown woman singer yeah I saw somebody make the point that Taylor's been uh baby girled by the internet and i think that's probably right and i think not only does she do like first love first heartbreaks that kind of tone and she is she is speaking to the girls and the girlies uh whereas

i think adele is speaking to a life maybe alone in a bar with like a glass of red wine and it's like very different tones it's very soulful agreed and Taylor Swift has been through it I mean we talked about Kanye West earlier she's been through that the press is treated like shit for being you know essentially dating she's been the figurehead for women who can't keep a boyfriend everywhere she has been treated like shit but also she's that kind of like blonde white woman very very pretty, who people rush to defend her in these cases. Whereas like someone points out like Megan Thee Stallion is six years younger. She has been like aged by the coverage of her. You know, she was shot by a partner and she kind of still doesn't get the same protection.

So it is quite interesting how she is handled. And at what point does that stop? Like, will she continue to age with her fans in the like, if she gets married, if she gets divorced in the way that Adele would just write albums about that, like, will she age, will she age beyond her audience?

Will her audience kind of drop off? I don't know. Though I'm very conscious of my own perception of Taylor Swift in this last 24 hours has really shifted towards me

actually starting to dislike her. And I wonder if we're watching The Machine at work, which is when a woman, I don't know if it's really bass line, but it definitely something, I used to like her music and I wasn if we're watching the machine at work which is when a woman I don't know this really baseline but it definitely something I used to like her music and I wasn't really bothered and all of a sudden I'm actually feeling feelings of like dislike towards her which is interesting because I used to be quite neutral we will tear down a woman when she reaches a certain point yeah

I just think because she's been torn down that many times and she there's been like a culture of dislike it was really popular to dislike Taylor Swift for a decade at least so now I wonder whether that's all out there maybe the tide is it's not going to change back as easy because we've been there done that we've yeah that's true yeah I mean this is almost like a never-ending topic because we also have to talk about the fact that Jay-Z it was his moment to talk so he was very well within his rights but he did bring up the point that his wife Beyonce has won however many Grammys

of her music and never won Artist of the Year Album of the Year Album of the Year sorry I was just in my head

I'm going AOTY he was basically making a similar point much more couthly than is couth a word well if you can be uncouth

you must be able to be couth yeah that's what I was thinking than Kanye West and I actually really respect him for that yeah he called out the establishment and it is fucking baffling um that you can taylor swift obviously has had huge success don't think she's reinvented the fucking wheel whereas beyonce can

do something like renaissance and like drop them overnight incredible visuals i mean not for renaissance but like she can do all of this and like they give her dust yeah one thing that i've just seen from a piece is that Taylor Swift has now won album of the year more times than all black women combined have. The previous black woman to win the award was Natalie Cole in 1992, Whitney Houston in 1994 and Lauryn Hill in 1999. That's three. And here we are.

And like a lot of people have been like, you know, it's amazing the Grammys have been really female led this year, which we can say this is a step, but it's white women for the majority not all of them a lot of people like did get their flowers this year but that is really yeah shocking i mean it shouldn't be shocking but it is yeah so album of the year specifically that category has been near impossible for black women to break into i think they always get you know record of the year they get single of the year performance of the year but album of the year, but album of the year, notoriously difficult. But what I don't understand is like, yes, Taylor Swift's music is good,

but even from the point of view of the fact that she's won it so many times, why wouldn't you award it to someone else? You know what I mean? It doesn't make sense on any level. You just get bored going. You'd be like, I just know who's going to fucking win. Also on a final point, I know this is like very basic,

but her dress sense. I've said it for a while and I haven't told this bitchy my least fashionable friends dressed better than her I've said that I've just realised

I've got no unfashionable friends but anyway my point is she is the worst dressed person on the planet and she's one of the richest people

in the world how does she dress so badly that outfit at the Grammys that was a Shia Pirelli dress which is one of my favourite designers they always incredible loads of gold jewelry they look like pieces of modern art she's made it look like she's got a choker set from claire's accessories

a watch around her neck a watch on her neck a bridal dress from coast and then some gloves from monsoon the braid as well sorry the braid the braid the random like bloody red lipstick i mean she could have had her hair scraped back like hunter shaffer as i said when she wore that amazing dress of the day like that like the gorgeous big choker or even the cartier snake that everyone does she has to remain in the realm of like relatability if she'd go like hunter shaffer looks ethereal when you see her yes if you do that you step into like an upper echelon of celebrity which actually for Taylor Swift's fans which are perhaps younger women who like want to see her as their friend she has on has on that that's carty diamonds they're worth like

she's probably wearing like a million pounds worth of jewelry on her neck nothing is related about it having bad dress sense is not relatable to me no no Beth you're saying it's intentional I disagree with you vehemently because it's a skill to be that unfashionable and I think I don't think somebody could even curate that lack of fashion I think it has to be so pure so deep within that you come out of the house wearing this mishmash of nonsense she could just dress better she could be styled better like everything she touches like I said earlier turns to gold except her fashion except her fashion friends with like kendall janet like if i was friends i'd be like oh babe that maybe let's put on a nude lip and should we put on a different skirt cut from the girl gang cut from the girl gang yeah i just don't get it

i just think because i do think everything is quite curated and on purpose i'm certain it must be but actually it could just be that she feels fly and she's feeling fine which is great but if you are the most famous woman in the world you'd imagine at one point someone's going to go we've got to get them watch off your neck I'm surprised the designers even like agreeing to dress her when she's styling it that badly to be honest hello I'm Beth one of the hosts of everything is content I'm Beth, one of the hosts of Everything Is Content. I'm really excited to announce that my new book, Romanticise Your Life, is out now. It's a how-to guide for anyone who wants more romance, joy and main character energy in their lives. It's full of stories about dating, advice for anxious solo travellers

and tips for making each and every day a little bit brighter. You can buy it now at any good retailer so we just spoke about some questionable clothing and outfits i would like to speak about the ugliest accessory i've seen in a long time which the apple vision pro goggles which came out on the 2nd of february they're like ai augmented reality tech wearable tech which are just foul have you guys seen videos of these online i have yeah i've seen so many videos of men wearing them tip tap tapping away walking across the street on the subway doing seeing with each other at coffee and yeah not really engaging they're a new release that is not like brand new technology but like for marketed to mass it sort of is they cost 3,499 dolls hairs doll hairs doll dollars um and they're not out in the uk yet so thankfully

walking around london wherever we're not going to see ass yet so thankfully walking around London wherever we're not going to see arseholes in like full tech scuba gear but across America there's been several viral videos of people using these like you say on the subway someone used them in like a Tesla so like a self-driving car which I think they got pulled over for doing this again don't know if there's a publicity stunt but people are wearing these you use your hands like in front of your face to like move documents, to open different apps, to watch films. It's very dystopian. It's very weird. I'm immediately very uncomfortable by this, but I don't know whether that's me being like a Luddite or if I'm being like, okay, boomer.

Also, are you not just asking to be robbed? I think what I find really, I know that we all carry iPhones and they're all, well, not all, but a lot of people have phones and that that's an expensive thing to be carrying around. But I just feel like we're getting further into this dystopia where there's this massive disparity of wealth

and like someone that has $3,500 has to spend on like a pair of AI goggles. I don't know what it says about this world that we live in. It's so unnecessary. That's aspirational. And like the video, I think that you guys said you saw someone on the subway and it's like, you know,

one's that busy, you know, your commute is what you're going like 10 minutes to an hour. You can read a book. And isn't it funny that this amazing leap in technology, all this guy's doing is checking his emails and like doing work yet again in a place where you actually should just be like chilling out work is creeping into your private life your commute to

work you're not being paid for that it's actually dystopian in the sense that like work is everything it's actually not that important to check your emails to be like dragging your hands around like you're in some kind of futuristic film it's humiliating for what so you can get an email the only time i would think it's fun is if you're on a plane because it looks like you've got like a full screen cinema in front of you like i've seen that on the other that is you ain't got enough room on the plane to be doing all of this no you wouldn't you don't watch your arms you just put it on your face right it looks like you're in the cinema so you can't see i don't think you can see them the chairs in front of you because i think it is yeah overlays this everything that you would like

project so like a screen here an app there so like i think they say it's um seamlessly blends digital content with your physical space so like you can sort of see what you need to see and like so this is why people can wear them walking around because you can see through them although i've heard they're quite blurry people can't see in although apparently you can like project a vision of like eyes on the front which is actually the worst bit because like to maintain like an illusion of eye contact eyes will be like kind of projected on the front oh my god i could make my eyes like purple or something yeah you could put your falsies on just like to say actually when i was a child i did have like a gadget from the gadget shop like um an infrared pair of goggles so i could like see in the night did you know guys

so when i was like 11 i had the i got them for christmas they were like green goggles and you they had special lights you could see in the night and then like what were you doing just walking around the house i had like the spy i had someone that had like um little tiny mirrors so you see behind me yeah they were like 45 feet is this gonna become the new iphone oh like in the way that an iphone i remember my friend getting an iphone when we were in year seven and we were all passing out at the table to play that helicopter game and we were like this is life-changing but it felt so far away i didn't get an iphone until like maybe four years later because he agreed which just was like the first person to get one and i couldn't have foreseen back then how commonplace

they would be is this glasses thing gonna become that big or is this something that's gonna not this version and disappear I would say not this version because it's it's still early buyable wearable tech it's in its first kind of release for something that's affordable I think we have a way to go users have said it's impressive but it's it's quite invasive it's still quite blurry it's not perfect obviously we've seen them they're revolting um and yeah for that price it's it's not going to have like a major it doesn't do anything your phone doesn't do what scares me is all of our lives like future dystopian stories have always been like there's going to

be a reality where basically we're all living in little pods and we've got a catheter in we've got a feeding tube and we're we're in a vr reality headset thing and we're living like the sims and it's just like every day we're getting closer and closer and closer we're pulling away from each other we're going we're doing it like actively there used to be that old philosophical question that was like i can't remember exactly but it was something like if you could live in the real world with all the faults as it is or you could get into like a a tough thing pod and you would live in a perfect world that was perfect but it wouldn't be real world but the minute you're in there you you forget that it's not the real world and everyone the idea of it was that everyone would always pick the real world

because it was real and now it's like we're actively choosing to live one foot in in these kind of cyber spaces and what is that about the real world that is so unappealing or like more and more unappealing i think we've got this issue and we've seen it with social media where things are being creative and then we're retrospectively having to add in legislation and laws and figuring out what's going to go wrong and i think there needs to be something changed there where when something is made a bit like how like if there's medical advancements it goes through years of rigorous testing and people making sure that it works and like before it gets accredited and put into school books whatever whereas with tech and other things it doesn't seem to be protected in the way that you know

in Silicon Valley they're they're fiddling away with whatever they do, their screwdrivers. And they make a new thing. And then it's just available to buy. And then suddenly someone does something awful. And then it's like, oh, well, maybe we should see whether or not this could be dangerous. It just seems like a really long way of doing things. I feel like if something's invented, there should be some sort of court process it has to go through. Agreed.

Because we're in the age of innovation. We're in the age of like everyone can make their own fortune. We're in like the tech age where we put profit before people. People are allowed to just go nuts. And yeah, we fuck around and find our laser. ruchir you mentioned baby girl earlier and i would like to ask you explain the kind of baby girl phenomena i would love to baby girl phenomenon is we saw an aspect of fan culture which is basically kind of comedic kind of serious which takes aim at people who aren't anything like a baby girl somebody like um Jeremy Strong

for example was a big baby girl example from succession yes Killian Murphy exactly Oppenheimer Killian Murphy um and it kind of takes these people who do everything expressly to not be anything like a girl and kind of infantilizes them and makes them girlish so somebody like Oppenheimer the fact that he looks really moody and sad it's suddenly become a teen you know like running away in her room being like fuck you mom and dad even though he created the a-bomb for example um somebody like Jeremy Strong you know uh CEO of this like horrific company he puts his earphones in in a taxi and it's like oh that's so baby girl I would do that in an uber it's the bit of um jacob lordy in salt burn and he's kind of sat there and even though he is so

long and tall and like a big man he's like a bit coquettish and everyone's like oh my god he's so baby girl yes it's a really interesting trend it's fun and i think they have clocked onto it they've leaned into it like someone like Timothee Chalamet will wear like pieces from women's runways but he's so not baby girl I was going to say he wishes

he wishes he was baby girl so he's a baby girl wannabe but someone like Jacob Elordi he has his handbags do you know what's funny I've just realised

because Timothee Chalamet Harry Styles they're kind of slightly feminine whereas like Cillian Murphy Jacob Elordi Jeremy Strong

are expressly not okay got it that's what makes me a girl but also it's one of those things i really enjoy participating because it's so harmless it's so sweet and it's always like kind it's like a really fun way of talking about celebrity and i love all the fan cams and as you guys know i specifically enjoy anything to do with killian murphy being baby girl yeah so it's it's kind of anyone who is not toxic masculinity personified yeah they'll give us a little bit and we will give them our love and devotion they're our baby girls which is interesting at first i was really didn't like it because i was like wait are women not baby girls like oh we're default baby girls oh okay because a woman mother and the boys are the baby girls we spoke before about it

in a previous episode and someone tweeted so many people use words like serve slay and mother when there is only one person who has in fact served for slaying their mother oh my god and another one which i loved was someone tweeted she looks gorgeous sea gaze was that so difficult and someone replied she ate contaminated food at the mother buffet and explosive slayeria i don't know why i find it so i love it because it's gorgeous writing stupid it's just what i love about mother cunted served well it all comes from drag it comes from like black drag ballroom ballroom yeah but it's just so good it's so pure yeah and has so much room for interpretation not interpretation but like everyone's like you just said like slayeria has so much room for being like really inventive with language it brings people together people are like laughing and and for the most part

it seems harmless it's not like people are going okay yes gypsy rose she's done her time but people like people are talking about like scorsese is a baby girl all of this like it seems yeah focused on people who are by and large quite good and pure I like it I like it a lot I'm tapping in yeah I do like it so just to pivot back to our salt burn reference we actually spoke about this in our first episode so please go listen back if you haven't already so last week we decided that we are all going to read a book together this month us three and you guys at home we put it to you to suggest your faves what you want to read and took it to a vote which i think was very democratic it was between bellies by nicola dinan hello beautiful by anne napolitano and Penance by Eliza Clark.

And the winner voted by you guys at home was... Sorry, that was a trouble. So was mine. They both won. Ruchira, do you want to give it a go? No. You got so scared. She's in the horn section.

Was Penance by Eliza Clark. Yes, my choice, my choice. Which was, Ruchira's pushing for this. Ruchira rigged it. We've got loads and loads of suggestions which we will be sharing very soon on our Instagram page but Penance was Ruchira's number one so she's looking very happy. Ruchira why is this going to be a great book? So um we mentioned last week but Eliza Clark wrote Boy Parts which was one of my favorite books from last year. This one seems to take a very different track and looks at a murder with a group of friends, female friends. It's in the 2010s.

It has true crime. It has Tumblr-esque vibes to it. I think it just feels very nostalgic. It feels very on brand for stuff we've spoken about. And it also has, I think, quite an online aspect to it. So for me, tick, tick, tick. That sounds very exciting. brand for stuff we've spoken about and it also has i think quite an online aspect to it so for me tick tick tick that sounds very exciting so we're going to give you guys plenty of time to read it we'll talk about it in march i'm gonna i'm thinking the 8th friday the 8th international

women's day sounds good international women's day so we'll kind of remind you and coach you along as we go but pencil it in in pen and we'll talk about it then or digitally or on your vr headset whichever way we will not judge i will a little top tip because i'm so excited but netflix's new adaptation of one day david nichols book which i would really recommend reading the book actually if you haven't seen it and wouldn't recommend watching the Anne Hathaway adaptation because

her accent is so bad but I do recommend and I cannot wait to watch the new Netflix adaptation with Ambika Mod and Leo Woodle I think it's going to be

sensational you would watch her in Everything's Going to Hurt and he's in The White Lotus yes so that's going to be so good such good TV white lotus yes so that's gonna be so good such

good tv maybe we'll talk about it next week at least what you think yes yes over the weekend as always we leave links to everything we discussed in the description of the podcast and leave us a review if you enjoyed the podcast only five stars of course and follow us on instagram at everything is content pod we love hearing your take so please get over there and have a little chatter with us. See you next week. Bye.