Everything Is Content - Kim Kardashian's Robbery Trial, Lily Allen's 'Madeline' & Swag Gaps

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Hello hello EICocoa pops, welcome back to another brand-new episode where we deep dive into the week's biggest talking points.This week on the podcast we’re discussing Kim Kardashian’s Paris robbery trial, as shown in the latest series of The Kardashians. We also dissect the latest in pop culture headlines, including Lily Allen's SNL performance where Dakota Johnson played her other woman character Madeline. And finally we dive into the alleged new trend... the celeb couples in swag gap relationships.Thank you for listening to us and pleeeease could you gift us a review AND share us with a friend this Chistmas? It would mean the world to us <3 love O,R,B xoxoIn partnership with Cue Podcasts.........This week Oenone reccomended Man vs Baby. Ruchira was loving Kristen Stewart on The Interview and What Happens To The Media When The Web Goes Away (Channels With Peter Kakfa) and Beth was loving Esquire's long read on the people playing Santa.The Kardashians - The Verdict Is InNatalie Tippett breaks silence on Lily Allen’s ‘Madeline’ and David Harbour 'affair': ‘It’s a major disruptionDoes your relationship have a swag gap, and is that always a bad thing? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Ruchera and I'm Anoni. And this is Everything is Content, the podcast that dives into the week's biggest and best pop culture stories. We cover everything from bizarre internet trends to palitzer-worthy long reeds and celeb gossip. We're the twinkling star atop the very full, very bushy, Christmas tree of content. This week on the podcast, we're discussing Kim Kardashian's Paris robbery, the latest in pop-coach headlines and the celeb couples in Swaggap relationships. Follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Everything is Content Pod

and make sure you hit follow on your podcast player app so you never miss an episode. So as ever, what have you both been loving this week? I have been loving. So I've moved back to Cheltenham and on Sunday I had a little bit of a cozy period with my four-year-old niece. And she was like, let's watch TV. So I put on Netflix, she said I want to watch that. and it was Rowan Atkinson and a baby. And I was like, have you watched this before?

She was like, yeah. She'd already watch the whole series. So I was like, maybe this, is this like child a prey? It didn't, it was on the kids section. Anyway, it's called man versus baby. He stars Rowan Atkinson, who is a man that's just lost his job as like the janitor caretaker at the school. And for the, on his last day, there's a nativity play. And one of the mums is meant to be dropping off their baby to go in the manger.

So the baby goes in the manger. And then at the end of the day, the mum never arrives to collect it. So he goes around to drop it off. and this woman answered the door with a baby. So the question is, whose baby is this? And the whole series is about him trying to give this baby to social services. But in a very Mr. Bean-esque way, things just keep going wrong. And so it's, I think there's maybe like six episodes, short episodes.

And it's like family-friendly, but it's so funny. It's really slapstick. And it's just him looking after this baby at Christmas. And it's really, like, stressful. Like, so many things go wrong. And it was genuinely amazing. And I really recommend it. But it was made better by the fact that my little niece was just like cuddling up to me.

under the blanket. This sounds so, at first I thought this was fact, like not fiction. So I was really confused how this could happen in today's world. And then I caught onto it being fiction and then everything changed. So I at first thought this was like a horror reality series or something. A documentary about how bad of a father, Rowan Atkinson is. Yeah. I actually really, it's really silly because it's definitely a child friendly,

but it would be the perfect thing to watch if you were supremely hungover. This sounds really great actually. So is it fully him being Mr. Bean? Is it just another adjacent Rowan-Atkinson-type character? It's an adjacent character. He's called Trevor Bingley, but it has all of the beats of Mr. Bean's sort of like, he's constantly just getting things wrong and like missing the moment when he's supposed to do something. It was really, really lulls.

It was also really stressing me out, which Muntilda was finding really funny because I was getting so stressed about this baby, and she was just that, ha-ha-ha. What have you been loving Ritura? Okay, so I am going to dip into my phone so I get the name right, but I have two podcasts the first one was Kristen Stewart on the New York Times interview podcast which is a few weeks old but I've really enjoyed hearing from her and this one bit got clipped that went super viral of her talking about why is it only men who are method actors you never hear of women doing method acting and there's a deliberate reason for that and she talks

about this really interesting point the salient point about how women are expected to just turn up and they don't put the kind of emotional charge of the job they have ahead of them on other people, but in the world of acting, that's become normalized even celebrated for men to do. And that's just one of so many different points she makes. It's such an interesting, far-reaching conversation. Yeah, I felt really inspired and also just very provoked by that conversation, which I don't really often feel by celebrity ones. So I was quite impressed by that. And then the other thing is, let me have a little look. Channels by Peter Kafka, which is a Vox podcast, which I'd never heard of, but somebody

recommended it to me. And the episode is, what happens to media when the web goes away with Tony Hale? And if anyone can stomach any more AI, what's happening to jobs, what's happening to the media stuff, this is such an excellent episode. It's not your kind of doom and gloom. It's just a very good analysis of what could be the AI bubble, specifically in media and what is doing to jobs. So just to be really candid, this has kind of happened to me. But the nature of writing jobs are changing and lots of people, even if they want to have full-term jobs, are now going to become freelancers and have shorter contracts and bitier work. And he was talking about how that's become the norm and will only become more normalized as

companies get more reluctant to take people on for longer as they're kind of owing and a Ring over AI and not sure how to kind of invest in it. So it was really reassuring to not feel like, oh God, this is just like a weird thing that's happening to me. This is like kind of a world thing. And also just have an expert being like, This is the norm now. This is what's going to happen for the next five to ten years.

We all just have to adjust to it. We all have to become good at freelancing or just accept. That's how companies are going to kind of react to this AI thing. So I think a new perspective and also not scary, not doom and gloom, just quite good. That's so interesting. I just listened to one of the most recent episodes of The Restes Entertainment, where they talked about Disney signing the deal with Open AI and licensing 200 of their iconic characters to be remixed by what's called Sauru.

And what they were saying was, yeah, this is what's going to happen in the, basically the jobs. And we've spoken about this. And I actually try not to talk about AI in the podcast because it's all I want to talk about and it's all I read about. But basically all the jobs are going to be the people that learn to harness AI to use it for their work or people are going to want to do for their content that they're consuming insert themselves and have like leader consumer led content, which I found really interesting. And it was really, really depressing because basically Richard Lod's. was like you just have to find a way to make AI work for you otherwise you're going to get left behind and I was like well I shan't and so I'll just sit here in my cave and then back to Kristen Stewart I've literally only just seen that quote and you've reminded me that I need to get into the whole interview because I did really enjoy that quote and the rest of the discourse because I'd never thought about the fact that women don't method act and you're so right that it's putting especially usually it's when they're playing really horrible characters and then they're going home and being like that with their wives and their kids it's such a good point that it's It's actually quite ridiculous thing to do. I find Christian Stewart's arc.

Like, she's been famous for a very, very long time. She was in, what's that film? I want to say panic room, which came out. I remember having it on video, I'm pretty sure. Was it personal shopper? Where she was a stalked. I was going to say twilight. Oh, I was talking about, like, I'm talking like 2001 she was in this film.

Personal shopper, I haven't seen. Was it about a ghost? But this was ages ago. Are you talking about the one in the like old dilapidated? No, I have watched that. That's great. She has been in so many, she's kind of in a lot of left field films that you hear about, you hear like, oh, that sounds amazing. And then they're just playing at like festivals and then straight to movie, like very good films.

She obviously also was Diana, which I never actually watched. Oh, that's a very good film for Christmas as well. She's good in that. So the film about her in a theme park, which I really enjoyed is Adventureland, if anyone wants to watch that. Yes. It's really good, kind of off the wall. She was in Adventureland? Yeah.

Yeah. Really good. Oh, what? Adventureland, too. No, just the first one, 2009, rom-com. I thought that was Emma Stone. No, Jesse Eisenberg, Christian Stewart, Ryan Reynolds. Damn, that's cool.

Also, the other thing I really liked from that conversation, which I think you guys will appreciate, is she doesn't shy away from the fact that Twilight's made her a fuck ton of money, and she talks about the amount of artistic privilege she's been given off the back of that, and her ability to make choices. And she talks about it in such a way that you're not, like, I mean, I firstly don't think anyone should be shamed for just being honest about that if they are on the receiving end. I'd rather people to talk about that and also just not be like, oh, it's been really hard. But at the same time, she talks about it in such an honest way that you are just like,

I really appreciate you just saying it because people don't say that. And that is all of our dreams really. I think all of us would love the amount of money to make choices rather than to do like a fucking Marvel movie every other year. So, yeah, it was cool. What have you been loving this week, Beth? So my recommendation comes, I saw someone else do this on a podcast, comes with a warning for anyone who, for whatever insane reason,

might be listening to this near children, unlikely because we are not kid-friendly. But if you are, I'm about to talk about S-A-N-T-A, so there are kids around who are excited for him to come down the chimney and might hear, just skip ahead until you hear someone else talking. So I read a really sweet and moving piece in Esquire by David Gawley-Hurber called Playwright. saying Santa does strange things to a man, what it did to Bob Rutan was even stranger.

And it's about this man, Bob Rutan, who was this out-of-work actor in the 90s, barely scraping by, and then got a job in Macy's as one of their, like, official Santas for their very popular, like, well-loved Santa land. And it tracks how he worked his way up from seasonal Santa, quite high up the ranks as like a Macy's office employee and then loses his job. So it's about him, but it's also about like the myth of Santa and the reality of who these Santas are, which is not something I've ever thought about. And a lot of them were similarly like out of work actors. Some of them were just kind of like men who didn't need the money but seem to be doing it for like their own soul just to like spread joy and do something good. A lot of them apparently were, I think he says like roughly like 50% of the Santys he was working with at a given time were gay men who kind of in the 1990s realistically weren't

going to have a family with children but in that seasonal moment they were important to children like it's very sweet all of all of them saying like they took the job because it was a job but there were moments even though they knew Santa wasn't real they were like but in that moment I was Santa like I represented something to these children that really really mattered something that they needed and it focuses on this guy Bob Rutan he's a really interesting case um his life's interesting he's really he kind of understand his own like foibles and flaws and it has a really good payoff this article with a story that gradually built on throughout the piece called just the story about these two little girls in Rattie Coats who come in one day when Bob was working in Santa. And if you want that story,

you'll have to read the piece, which we will add in the show notes. But yeah, it was just a really good, like, I haven't been reading that many long reads. And I was like, what is the most unlikely thing for me to read? And I saw this. And I was like, do you know what? I'm going to read a piece about more Santas. Actually, I'm very glad they did. It was really good. Oh, my God. I'm so sad. I am so sad for that. Your two substacks, this piece is going to be my Christmas reading. The tabs are open. I'm going to make the time.

It's going to be so good. It's such an interesting perspective that I've never really thought about, but I remember being so excited to go and see a Santa, but because we didn't live in like a town, we lived in really rural places. My mum would have to try and find somewhere within like a half an hour drive where there might be a Santa, which very often there wasn't. I would like to know what has happened to the Santa industrial complex

due to sort of like child protection. growth like people there are still kids sitting on Santa's laps I do see that going around TikTok and stuff but I wonder if there's you know forms and stuff now not to start that conversation but just a pebble of thought Santa is drag Santa is a kind of drag so interesting some kinds of drag uh dot dot dot I saw um it was a thing it was on the it was a screenshot of the official skim's TikTok account of Santa it was like Santa and some skims and not a little underwear but he was wearing this like beige

sandal suit and he was a really slender Santa and the comment on Twitter where I saw it was like not a Zempic Santa in the sad grey skins Oh my God I need to look it up In a woke world what happens to Santa but also In an ozempic world What happens to the roly-poly jolly

Jolly Santas they vanish before our very eyes Can I just sorry just a side note When you were little did you call him Santa or Father Christmas Santa? Santa Both I think depends on sort of the occasion. Because everyone universally says Santa, but I really don't think I did say Santa when I was at all.

I find, I can't remember. It's quite formal. Yeah, it feels formal though. I think I said Father Christmas. Yeah. I feel like Santa's really Americanised, anyway. You're right. Probably is.

So I'm desperate to know how much you are following along with Lily Allen and her West End girl trajectory because she performed recently on S&L and she had Dakota Johnson reading out the text from the song Madeline where, and I thought it was done really well, she was kind of lying in a bed quite Sabrina Carpenter-esque

and then at the end she gets up and gives a very coy-looking Lily a kiss on the cheek. And there's been loads of people kind of speculating what's going to happen, is Lily Allen on tour now going to bring out a different Madeline? Is it going to be like Olivia Coleman? Miriam Margulies, people were naming really funny people that could come on stage and be the Madeleine's.

But also, I wanted to know if both of you had read that the real Madeleine, in better commas, has spoken out. We did speak about at the time very briefly that she'd allegedly given them, like I had an interview with the Daily Mail and we kind of wondered why she'd done that. But she's since spoken out on her own Instagram stories. I don't know about this. Can you fill me in about the Madeleine response? She took her Instagram stories and went out three stories where she says,

I was hoping not to speak on this, but I'm tired of this false narrative being pushed and circulated. And she kind of denies that she ever gave an interview. She says that she's a single mother with her own struggles. And she says she feels extremely violated. I'm unsure why this person wants so badly to pit people against me or create this narrative that we both know is false based on the actual messages that I have saved between us, the same ones that have now been referenced in a song without my consent. And she says, I don't weaponise women against women for the behaviour of men, especially not in an open relationship.

I'm wishing her all the success, money, healing and happiness and whatever else she's seeking through this. Oh my God. So wait, this is actually then the first time that she is speaking on this because we thought she had, people thought that she had. It was all very unclear. So this is actually her first statement? I guess so because I'm a bit confused because, yeah, because I don't know if she may be,

she said, I never gave an interview and I never been paid to speak on this. I've been paying camera footage to show this. I was harassed at my home with my daughter at 8am on October 25th and misquoted when I said, I was fearful of a strange man being at my door. But I don't remember reading that, so maybe that was in a different piece and the Daily Mail covered it differently.

Either way, she was exposed pretty rapidly as being this alleged Madeline. This statement also confirms, I guess, through the fact that it is her text message that she is the Madeline and the story. Lily Allen has always said that this album is based on two events but is not, you know, it's auto fiction. not 100% true.

I haven't seen that much noise about her doing the statement online. So I wonder how much people are paying attention to it. It really passed me by. If you hadn't said, I wouldn't have known that. And I wonder why that is. I wonder if it is just in the aftermath of the album dropping, everyone was in a proper frenzy. And I think now obviously it's been something like two months.

So I think I can only speak for me, but I feel like I don't really feel like I'm pouring over the details of the album in the same way. I'm just moving on. I'm, like, I'm interested with the tour. I'm, like, seeing it in a different light as opposed to the details versus the aesthetics and, like, what's going to look like moving forward. So I almost think, I wonder if anyone has even noticed this. Yeah, that's it.

I reckon it would be that, like, very small but very scary cabal of, like, I mean, I guess reporters is one of them. And then just, like, scary fans who aren't satisfied with, like, the mythology of Madeline. Because I think that was the point of it. It was like, and Lily Allen has created her. at the centre of the story but she's kind of the every woman it's like it's not just for women who were married to david harbour who may or may not have cheated on lily allen it is for like the wronged wife the neglected girlfriend actually the existence of a real woman having to speak about

this is probably not really good for the whole branding of it but yeah you do forget people are absolutely bonkers i do feel really bad for this woman as well i do feel bad for that so it has been reported there was a piece in cosmo there was a piece all of the rags reported on it first which I think is where I saw it. I can't remember how it came up with it, but like the sun and all of that kind of thing. But yeah, a couple of days ago, Cosmopolitan also did it.

I do feel bad for her. What's interesting is I do think that Lily really didn't point to her it was in the song. So I don't think that she would have necessarily, I don't really understand how she got out of it because, I mean, I have no prior intel of Lily, but there's nothing that I would have given me any information as to who this woman could potentially be,

which is why it was interesting when that Daily Mail article came out because it did feel like she had outed herself. Obviously, somehow the Daily Mail knew. But it does, I do feel very sorry for her. But then I do think maybe it's hard for her to say that, you know, Lily shouldn't have done this one. Lily didn't actually ever say who she was. It's hard, isn't it?

Because what you would see if you were the person involved in this is the album dropped, your life has completely changed. And that becomes the catalyst for everything that's possibly ruined this person's life in her mind. but really it is just the horrendous tabloid industry and it just seems like having you explained all of this really clearly I bet they probably have a tip system or they have people across LA Hollywood whatever who just messaged in as soon as the album dropped and they were like well I heard it's this person I have a name for this blah blah blah blah blah because their network of flying monkeys is obviously so fucking strong and so they were door knocking and probably

harassing this poor woman and that's the thing that's triggered all of this and it's it's difficult because it's much more nebulous to be like the tabloids have somehow got this horrible network to be able to figure out this stuff and then point and you know docks and harass a woman rather than it being like the clear cut the album started it all yeah i've just seen it so it says despite lily claiming the name as a pseudonym it was the male on sunday who exclusively revealed madeleine to be natalie and i just think what twats because also it just ruins art but But also this woman, what she was saying was that she was receiving death threat. I mean, I'm not, with the way that the internet is, I am not surprised that she was getting trolled to Al and Highwater.

And I don't think that we're soaking about our opinions on cheating. I don't think she deserves any of that. I do think that she deserves her anonymity. I do think this is a private matter. She's not really in the public eye. And I hate that the Daily Mail did this. And I wonder how it is going to take. Some people, let's, I also want to talk about the SNL thing, because some people were a bit fed up with this.

they thought it was like it's giving Sabrina carpenter having a crush Charlie XX being XX bringing people out on stage it seems a bit like Margo Robbie did the press tour where she kind of she method dressed for the press tour of Barbie then everyone started doing that there's already talk of her doing that for Wuthering Heights I feel like people see celebrities doing something they're like oh my God I'll do that that's a good idea and then by the time they do it everyone's just like I'm bored of this now it's the loud celebbing I feel like I feel like people are just a bit bored and it's also I think it just feels like patterns the I think challenges and law roach incredibly started the method dressing with the amazing shoes with the tennis balls like all of that

kind of stuff with zendaya and I think because it's just rinse and repeat people copying badly and not as effectively in my opinion law roach's style or with the bringing people out on stage because it's become a bit of a pattern in a trope it just feels like quite exhausting and quite boring and I think if you're going to do something, do something innovative. And I think, I mean, we don't even know that Lily's going to do it. But I think people just feel fatigue at the idea of something happening, which is quite an interesting temperature check. I like the idea of, it feels a little bit different just because it's got that element

of theatrics, but obviously it is the same. I just think you would be a little bit like, this is, for optics sake, this is less about being here in the moment in this venue. This is actually about, the same with the Sabrina Carpenter thing. You're like, Pop Crabe is going to tell me who she's around. rest it tonight. Okay, it's Miss Piggy. I'm back in. Whereas, I mean, look, I, maybe I'm just being salty because I didn't get tickets. Did either of you? I did not. No, I didn't. It was, because it was really annoying because we talked about it and then a lovely listener put on

our comments on Spotify, like, tickets are going on sale at this time. You've still got time girls and I was like, amazing, obviously completely forgot. And now I'm just bitter. But I do. I want to see someone do this monologue in person. Did we say it's on the podcast, but I think we said, we might have said it privately that this would make an amazing musical or I wonder if she's going to turn it into a play and she has actually seemed to have confirmed now that she's in talks to turn it into a stage musical or a play with music so maybe what we'll have to do is we don't get tickets to the gig we'll go to the show because I I saw some people like how would this work and I was like are you joking I think this is a fantastic idea she's clearly such a great actress

and I would love to I think this would be such a cool thing to adapt into a play I agree I think I think we'll get tickets front row for the play and that will be great any of Lily's people are listening, we would also like to come to one of the gigs. We will read the monologue as a three-headed Madeleine. We will do. We'll bring her own microphones. We can all Madeline. No, I'm not actually going to claim that. So a hard pivot to something ridiculous that I saw online.

There was an argument over the weekend about dishes. And it's hard to tell where it came from, possibly a TikTok where an American was like, I need to see a Brit washing the dishes right now. Sorry, I didn't do an American accent. can't fathom it. And a British man replied and showed him washing the dishes. And he left quite a few suds on the dishes when he put them in the rack. And that has sparked a Ferrari in very small circles. And someone replied basically being like, you're all eating soap. It seems to be that Americans think we don't wash up properly because we leave too many suds. And they call

them suds on our knives, forks, plates, cups, the lot. And I'm just like, I think we've run out things to argue about. But it did make me feel like a bit embarrassed. I was like, oh, my God, are we eating soap? But that is really funny because I actually did this last night because I know that I shouldn't be leaving the soap on there, but I just think I don't have three more seconds to run this under the tap again. And so I will just let it dry on the rack with a couple of bubbles. But it is the kind of thing my mum would really tell me your fault.

I don't think this is like a universally Brit versus American thing. It's clearly just like that man, me and probably like five other people, including Beth, who just think, whatever, I'll eat a bit of soap. No, I have to be honest. like that can't it can't be a minority of people doing that like I'm sorry to shame myself as well but like sometimes I'm in a rush and it's really bad I am in a rush I don't have a dishwasher I wish I did I don't I'm so sorry you don't have a dishwasher that is actually hell even when I live by myself I will use 8000 plates just to make up because I don't want to wash up one plate so I'm like

I'll use 12 and it's so bad it's so bad to wash one plate it feels so bad I think but Americans love washing chicken as well so I'm kind of like Can you speak on this, really, guys, I've seen your things. So weird. You are boiling a chicken in bicarbonne of soda. I really don't want to talk about this with you. Maybe listeners, from both sides of the pond and all over the globe, can you comment in our Spotify comments on this episode and tell us, are you eating suds?

Are you just, are you fuss about the suds? Are you letting them? Are you rinsing them off or are you one of us kind of a lazy little bitch? This is a separate thing, but my mum brought me this amazing fairy liquid spray that's like for washing up. It's really good. And I washed a pan or thought I'd wash a pan and left it in the sink. I started cooking something. I was like, it smells really soapy. That I did have to throw away because it was actually just the whole base of the pan was sprayed with fresh, very liquid that I was then frying. So that was good. I know, I know. And I was like, can I eat it?

And I was like, don't think you can. I did Google it. And it was like, you'll only get mild gastrointestinal issues. Oh, God. No. I think I was cooking salmon. Anyway, so that didn't happen. But also, another stupid thing that went viral that really made me enough was a woman. was saying you know those hooded coats with the fur rim yeah she was like everyone's been yeah she was like everyone's been wearing these wrong for years you're meant to turn them inside so that the fur like keeps your head warm and then obviously everyone was going mad because they were like obviously innuit people kind of invented it's to keep like snow and like the reason the fur's on the outside is to protect your face from like wind and snow but she was so convinced then half the people were like oh my god

this is such a great idea because she keeps your ears warm but it went really viral and that was really making me laugh just I think we are bored wait so she was wrong she was wrong but she was talking with her chest is that right yeah i mean i guess she's not necessarily wrong because you can if you want to do that but she was saying that oh my god do you know when people do these videos like i'm 35 and i've just found out and i'll show you something the most insane thing you've ever seen she was like i can't believe all this time i've been why ain't wrong and i love when people do stuff like that because it's like this is clearly not on the instructions like if we were supposed to be doing this i think we would have found out at some time before now i love loud and wrong people

It was like Alexander Burke, who went to the States, I think, to break America and then came back and said, guys, I brought over this phrase. It's, there's the elephant in the room and I just think that's amazing. And everyone's like, we've been saying this for years. Completely harmless, loud, but wrong, but hilarious. My goodness, there is such a genre of that specific thing, like even Jesse Nelson saying voila, instead of voila, on her stories. I say that all the time. And balainga. Oh, yeah.

Oh yeah, I love, I love Weller. I love when people just have something that spreads in the culture of just like, that is hilarious. Like a misspelling of Bon Appetit. Just anything like that is just, or like very good misspellings. I always love my brother. I'm like, you must see this. I am so loud and wrong. I've been watching The Nightmanager and I was convinced that one of the Tom Hollanders character was called Corgi,

even though his son name is Corker. And I was like, it's obviously like a silly name. My friend was like, it's Corky. And I was like, no, listen to what they're saying. It's Corky they've made it. Anyway, and then we played it and they were all like corky. and I was like, oh yeah, but I'd been so adamant that I was right. I just hadn't been listening.

It's so hard as well when you get into a near argument and you're like, you don't listen to me. Like I said this. I'm, you know, I've been listening to the thing and then you hear yourself proven wrong and then you have to back right down. I know. As I get further along with my ADHD diagnosis, I realize that actually I clearly don't really listen, but I thought my whole life that everyone's just gas-like to me

because everyone tells me they've told me things. I don't remember being told them whatsoever and I mean it, but I actually think it's ADHD. too. This is such a sad one, but I feel like we have to mention Rob Rayner and his wife's tragic death this week. And rather than focusing on the details of the really horrible, horrible case, I think what we should do is talk about some of the amazing films and just his kind of legacy and anything that we are reminded of when we think of him. Were there any of films? I know the Wolf of Wall Street, him playing, I think it's whatever Belford, something Belford, the main guy's dad, he was iconic. in that role and I just remembered him in that and that I love that film so much there's a clip that's doing the rounds I'm sure you'll have seen but it's about him

talking about when he was making when Harry Matt Sally with Nora Effron and Nora wants it to have a really happy ending he's like I just don't know if it's believable and then he met his wife who he went on to be with for over three decades Michelle and immediately he was like oh my God no we have to change the ending and now I am going to watch One Harry Matt Sally

this week I don't think I realise again obviously yeah I was going to say if you hadn't seen that huge hole. No, yeah. I don't think I realized how many of my, like, feel good films were Robbrenna films, like the Princess Bride. That's mad, like such a run of

like truly amazing films when Harry Matt Selly, absolutely, and I love that story. It was kind of like, sometimes meeting the love of your life does, it changes art, it changes your perspective. And someone was someone on X, I was a lot of people actually basically pointing out, he made films that were like joyful and hopeful

and captured the magic of like choosing to be happy and optimistic. And like, it was a, about closeness and together. And I was like, this is what I will be doing this Christmas. I will be watching. I might just try and fire through them all. Because I, for a really long time, I didn't put the two together. It was, I think I was watching a new girl.

Maybe my dad had come in and was like, oh, do you know, like, that's the director. Is that him? And I was like, no, that's just an actor. Like, that's just hilarious actor. And I'm like, oh, that is literally the man who's made all of my happiest films. And it was just, I was just like, what a singular talent. Series 7 of the Kardashians, the Disney reality series following Kim Kardashian's famous family is on right now. And I think there's been one episode in particular that's

really stood out from this series. And a few weeks ago, the series focused on Kim Kardashian's Paris robbery trial. So a quick recap, nine years ago, she was tied up in a hotel room by a group of men and held at gunpoint. And in the episode, she appears in court in Paris to testify in the trial. Nine men and one woman were accused of carrying out or aiding the armed burglary of $10 million, which is about £7.55 million worth of jewellery, including a diamond engagement ring during Paris Fashion Week in 2016. The episode starts with her arriving in Paris and gearing up essentially to give her account in court. And one of the threads of the episode is she's told by her lawyer that she needs to dress very conservatively and the insinuation, I think,

they don't say this but I feel like it's spelled out is the jury and judge will perceive her to be more of a victim and will side with her if she's dressed in a way that is not, you know, her usual self in a way that is more of a victim's style of dressing and this was insane in the end she ended up testifying for six hours. We're also taken through snapshots from her and a friend who heard the whole thing in 2016 from a nearby room of the men breaking in and grabbing Kim and we also hear from Kim about everything she felt and experienced at the time, including fear that she'd be raped by these men and the fear that her kids would lose their mother. The thing that was so galling and so crazy to me was we're reminded of the fact that at the time

when she shared what had happened, she wasn't believed by many people and many parts of the internet, and how comedians used the incident for comedy, accused her of crafting the story for her reality show, and she shares how even her ex, yay, publicly shared that she made it up. She says, quote, my ex-husband had said, and you faked your robbery for a TV show and had said that in front of all of these people. That was a knife to my heart. Just to think that someone wouldn't believe you that's so close to you, that should know you, that should know how that affected your life. It really bothered me. You don't know who I am. So it made for quite powerful watch and I think in the end seeing Kim ignore her lawyer's advice and wear a low-cut black

suit, very cunty, and an exceptional array of diamond jewelry, including a diamond ring that was similar but bigger to the one that was stolen from her, was quite interesting. And they make this point about how this incident and these men had stolen so much from her mentally, emotionally, spiritually, but in the end, they wanted to prove that ultimately they could never take her power. And so at the end, she says through tears, to finally go through trial and face these people and hear their accounts and apologies, I'm like, see guys, it was real. I'm happy it's over. What did you guys think of the episode?

Were you moved? Were you surprised that they took this term? What were your thoughts about it? I haven't watched the Kardashians in ages, but you were like, guys, this episode is really good. So I went in and I watched this one episode. And I, first full, could not believe that it's been a decade because that robbery, to me, felt like that happened like three years ago.

And it must have been when I was much more invested in the Kardashians. But I thought it was really powerful. It really endeared me to her. Well, it was also, I felt quite complicated about it because she's, she's really endearing and she's very kind of religious and altruistic and she talks a lot about forgiveness and she's like, you've always got to do the right thing. And I do believe that she believes in goodness and thinks she's doing good things. But then when I really zoom out and put my other hat on, which is kind of my anti-extreme capitalist mindset, I find it interesting how she can identify harm in certain ways. can't identify in the other. So I kept flip-flopping between being like, go on, girl, wear your millions of pounds of diamonds to being like, I don't think anyone should have millions

of pounds of diamonds. It's awful that you've been robbed to being like maybe extreme displays of wealth and in a world where lots of people are living in poverty, might get you rob. Doesn't mean it's a good thing. I'm so sorry for all the terror that you went through. So I kept flip-flopping, but it did make me kind of want to watch the rest of the Kardashians, which I have not felt inclined to do for probably nine years. Oh, see, yeah, I watched this and I was like, because it had the cadence of a standalone documentary. It's like an hour long. I don't, I'm not having seen any of the other episodes. I'm sure I've seen some in a past life. I don't, I'm assuming they're not all like this. It just felt like, production wise, it was, it felt very much like a documentary. It felt very standalone. And I was like, okay, I've seen what I need to see. I'm really glad that I watch this. And I would recommend other people go and watch it, even if they're not fans of the Kardashians. and I'm slightly interested in this because I think it was very well made

and it gave a great oversight of it and it is, I mean it is the story of someone who has gone through trauma had it change their lives and their life was obviously very unrelatable and very different but it changed their lives it changed the way their brain worked it's a long lengthy legal process

and she is dealing with trauma and she does touch on that and she kind of touches on the path that she took after that And I think that's really interesting. But yeah, same. It's very difficult for me to watch that and think anything other than, yeah, I feel torn. I feel like this was someone who went through drama.

This should never have happened to anyone. It is someone afraid for their life, afraid also that, yeah, they will be sexually harmed, making peace with the fact that they are probably going to be dead, never see their children again, harmed in like just the most unspeakable ways. And then that doesn't happen. They have to, life goes on. So I think it's a really interesting. in case study. But at the same time, I'm like, but it's, it's, it's, it's wealth that's

unfathomable. It's a complete different life. And it's, she as a character is really charming. But then there's the osmosis of her public image and the damage that does to women and the ways that she'll align with billionaires and Elon Musk for Tesla. And there's a lot of people saying she's definitely going to get one of his brain chips because she keeps complaining that she's not passing the bar. And I, and that just brings me back to being like, yes, She is not of this stratosphere. She is of an elite that is kind of cooking the planet so that they can have a party. But then I think she's also the recipient of so much of the world's misogyny.

She is victim and villain and this very interesting test case. She is just, she's kind of this age distilled. But then she also is a woman who was tied. It was testing this episode on my like moral compass. Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? I just, the thing I took away from it is how well produced. it was and how slick it was, to the point that they've cohesively made her feel like this symbol where I feel like I would have an outpouring of grief having watched this episode

for her. And I think it's just boiling it down to this feeling of, it almost feels like they've created the narrative. So all of this is a point about being a woman. So the fact that her lawyer is like, you need to change how you dress. It really speaks to, you know, many different cases that we've seen over the last few years of women having to testify about sexual assault and you know the knowledge of all the things they go through and then even at the end talking about her husband her ex-husband and the treatment and then also being a woman in the media it almost like reduces her to all of these things that we know are so difficult about being a woman in the modern age and knowing that she goes through it to the like most extreme details and you almost

forget about the wealth and the riches which is crazy because the trial is about the wealth and the riches. She's wearing all the diamonds. But I watch the story and I feel like, God, she's just a woman who's experienced so much fucking shit. And like I found that I like completely cognitively like disconnected from all the other things. And I found that so fascinating because otherwise I think about that all the time when I watch the Kardashians. But this really did a number on me. It works so well. I thought it was like such excellent production from their side because I completely forgot about that. All the like critical thinking. To be honest, I'm going to I'm going to just like say it. I didn't have that. I just was like, my God, I really feel like all the emotion of this

episode. And there's a bit where in the taxi at the end, she's just on her own, which is interesting because for the entire episode, she's with people, she's with people, she's gearing up, she's got her, she's got makeup, she's got all this. The last episode, it plays Eminem, not afraid, her just sat there staring out of the window. And it's like nothing, but it just feels like the final chord of a movie where somebody's overcome the biggest hurdle of their entire life. And it's so emotional and it's so powerful but she's not even really doing anything she's sat in a cab going back to a hotel room i just think whoever's produced this i think however how they put it together the narrative of it was really excellent and they achieve what they needed to achieve because it was

really moving the music i was singing along the whole time it was it had pulled such emotional beats and i hope that i wasn't being flippant like what she experienced is traumatic and terrible and she never happened to anyone but unlike you i kept getting pulled out because I found it fascinating when they were like, it's 20, 25, who can tell a woman what to do? Great sentiment. You made a really good point there about women reporting sexual assault because one of the things we hear about time and time again was what were you wearing was your skirt too short, etc. But in this case, wearing the diamonds, like, I don't know, it feels like a false equivalence. It feels like applying something where it doesn't necessarily

work. You should absolutely never tell women how to dress, what to wear, etc. But they're saying to a jury they're almost I assume the lawyers trying to bring her down to earth and say like there will be people in this courtroom who might feel like you have so much money that you know whatever and so whilst the sentiment is kind of right I don't know that it applies here and that's where I kept getting lifted out and thinking this experience is terrible but it's like the equation of how it's adding up in her head is is maybe not it didn't happen in a vacuum that's what I just kept coming back to even though like I just I guess I have like a cognitive dissonance lots of things are happening at once in my mind I felt deeply empathetic and awful it must be so terrifying I found it really moving how her family respond I love how close they are and how much they care about her and immediately with her and it's it's it's really beautiful in that way but it is just interesting that like you said that this is all about the money all about the wealth and her reaction to kind of like that I've replaced it and even though she said you know

it's changed how we live maybe it's for the better you know i didn't wear my jewelry for ages we got new security the reflection was not and it and i'm not trying to excuse crime or criminal behavior here but the reflection was not why would someone want to target me to steal my stuff like there was no question around that so even though i think it clearly did teach her some things no one should have to go through that for like a teach more moment it was interesting where that reflection landed Like the point you made about the short skirt phenomenon being equivocated in both examples is so true. It's so right. And it's quite interesting that they made it seem the same. And it really worked on me. And now I feel a bit like, oh God, where was all my critical thinking when I watched this episode? that's it's a well made piece of film and so did I and it's like I'm recommending it as a documentary I mean it's not impartial it's made by her I'm sure she executive produces everything so it's a good lesson in in remembering who's making what you're watching and also like to zoom out because I think that's what this is about it's like okay I've taken this but where does this sit actually in society and culture when a woman is like and for years I didn't wear diamonds you go yeah perhaps the feeling and the trauma and the way the brain responds to you traumatic things is similar and the same, but actually the lived experience of the ramifications

of the ability to bounce back and seek justice is very different across classes. And it is not that we will forget that, but it is important, I think, to just keep it in mind if you go away and watch this. So on this podcast, we've discussed age gap relationships and wage gap relationships, but what about swag gap relationships? Well, according to Dazed, 2025 was the year of Swaggap relationships, defining such union as, quote, an imbalance in dress, yes, but also a perceived imbalance in coolness. And several pop culture relationships have been marked as unsafe from these Swaggap relationship allegations. Haley and Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco, some of the most prominent. Whereas Kylie Jenner and Timothy Shalameau,

pictured recently in matching orange fits at the premiere for his latest film, Marty Supreme, are apparently Swag Equals. Is this nonsense what I'm saying, girls, or is there some sense in the madness, a swag gap couple's real, and should we be afraid of them? I saw the new term coming around and I was like, oh God, it's just like another thing. But it does make sense to me actually. when it's not i feel like i have such a frustration with the like you know the lottery ball of two different words getting pulled together by magazines and that's just like a new thing a new phenomenon that apparently we have to live and abide by but i do see this and i do think it is actually real especially in heterosexual relationships i can only speak to that because it feels like

so pronounced and so obvious and i feel like we're always on guard for swag gaps between men and women because for the most part you know it's a well-trodden conversation of she's so hot and her boyfriend is dot dot dot so yeah I do see this and I think the examples they labelled were quite interesting because I think there was that one picture of Haley Bieber turning up for a road something event and she was wearing this incredible like red mini dress and then Justin Bieber was wearing this like hoodie combat trouser combo and looked like he was going to a completely different thing, maybe even just going home, but was with her. So I remember that. That was stamped in my mind and I can see how they've made this list, unfortunately. What about you and

Oni? Yeah, it's funny. I'm kind of in two minds about it because with Justin Bieber, I do not know anything about Justin Bieber and Haley Bieber apart from when we've kind of spoken about this, them on our podcast and via osmosis. But because I've now got a slightly tainted cynical view of Justin, the swag gap in that relationship could be viewed as a method of sort of humiliation or control, like there's a way of viewing it as actually the man kind of deciding that he's not going to engage in the woman dressing up. It could be that. On the other hand, what I think it more likely is, is I can dress quite garishly, quite outlandishly, I can happily have my nipples out. And I thankfully was going out on men who do not give a

shit. They're like, whatever, wear what you want, wear a belt is the top, even though they might be wearing a quarter-sip in chinos. And there's a nice parody there where you go, I'm going dress like this and if you won't tell me how to dress I also won't tell you which might mean that you both end up mismatched but in a way it's nice because you're both expressing how you both want to dress so sometimes I think a swag gap might actually be a really good thing because it just means both partners are really comfortable in what each other decide that they like to dress like or like to wear in the day's piece there was an argument to say that swag is not just about how you dress it's actually about energy it's about whether or not one of you social whatever and I think that

those things are, you know, can be issues, but I don't think, I think that maybe you've got to take that initiative when getting into a relationship with someone and figure out, you know, do we like the same things, are the same kind of people, whatever. But I think the dressing thing is really interesting because I do think with men, it can be a bit of a cruelty thing where a woman gets really dressed up and we've seen horrible TikToks like this where a girl is told she's going to go on a date, so she gets really doled up and the man's like, no, we're going to sit in the house and he's got his PJs on. It can be a humiliation ritual. I think with Haley Beaver and Justin Bee, but I think also when you're famous, you can just wear what you want.

Like if any of us, I know there was the whole Jesklin sexy fish situation, but normally a celebrity can get away with wearing stuff into restaurants in public that a civilian would just be like, you can't come in here. So I do just think they get a free pass. I think they have no idea what's going on. Like Justin Bieber can wear that. What about you, Beth? That is my my 360 approach to swag gap. Yeah, I also think I'm torn because on the one hand, seeing these pictures, you're like, she's got a big event. Come on, man. like while you're drawing focus by wearing your basically looks like what you've just been rolling the house around the house in and it's like but then I think am I just being materialistic or does it can it really speak to someone's coolness and someone's effort and love for their partner whether they're wearing like a beanie and really baggy jeans and I always think about it in the reverse where it seems to be like so many viral videos about women glowing their men up and some of them are so lovely it's like I think it's called the black wife effect which is exactly what it sounds like where a black woman meets and falls in love with a non-black man

and the result of that is he's better groomed, matches her style, finds his confidence and I think just looks great and they see loads of these and they're really good fun. Then sometimes I'll see one of a woman meeting a man and he's sort of like clearly doesn't really, he's wearing jeans, a t-shirt and he's happy. It loves his fleece and he's wearing his fleece and then she's like, he used to love fleeces and then you see a picture of him and he's decked head to toe and Zara Man, it's like, okay, now he looks like all the boyfriends. But if you're happy and he's happy, that's fine. But I do wonder about that need to kind of make people over in your own image. I actually really like a slightly odd couple. Like I like when she's glam and maybe

he's a bit of an ad. I like the goth girl and the jock. I just think there's something quite nice about letting people be as they are. And maybe I'm saying that because I'm worried that I have been the less swaggy participant of my relationships. And I'm sure that's true, both in coolness. No, that couldn't be true. Definitely in that swag I got on because sometimes I simply do not have that on and I want that to be okay.

The one thing I will say is men's fashion is such an interesting beast because yes, aesthetically you can look at that situation. I know we keep coming back to Haley Bieber and Justin Bieber and we do have more examples. but in that one scenario I described, his outfit probably would cost maybe something like £2,000, I'm not even joking, because men's streetwear is so expensive, it can look like you've rolled out of a bush, but you can be wearing the most expensive stuff. So I think that's also the thing that complicates it.

He could be dressed in the most insane cool designers, and like, say my partner, he, I think he looked at the same picture, and I was like, is this not wild? And he's like, oh, he looks pretty good, doesn't he? And I was like, oh, oh, okay. And so I think it's also just really hard to equate what you mean by a swag gap because you could argue that he was actually probably wearing cooler clothes. And to a different person, he would have been the cooler and the two. And I think that's also an interesting dynamic to it.

What are we looking for? Is it like an event level equality between partners? So you're both dressed the same level of glass. or is it in the respective fashion industries that you care about? Are you wearing the coolest designers? It's just, I don't know, when you add like a fashion element to it, I think it gets more complicated. I agree because also I think since swag has been co-opted from meaning like something

stolen goods, what Justin Bieber had on was kind of the original swaggy idea. It often was like kind of hoodies and baggy clothes and stuff. So maybe a swag gap can just be like your different spectrums of the swag range. you're either sort of like basic Barbie, no offense, or swaggy hoodie cap man. I don't know how to define that really. Yeah, and I love the black wife effect. I always watch those videos and I love, and I have actually, everything good boyfriend I've ever had, you know, somewhat imparted some wisdom on their outfits.

And I do, if they're obliging, I find that really fun. I find it really fun when men are like, actually, I'd like to go and buy this, I'll help them. But I have, I think when we were younger, women, maybe because we did. have less to judge men on. We would really judge their outfits and like at uni a guy dressing badly could be enough for us to be like well we can't snog him which is kind of ridiculous. Now that I've gotten older I a bit like you Beth I'm kind of like I think it's quite sweet and attractive when a man doesn't know how to dress the point where I almost don't want to change that because

it's like you're so you're so removed from everything I find that attractive it's kind of it's similar to a man not having social media it signals something very pure to me but I know that there are women that judge other women for going out with badly dressed men. And I definitely have made comments before about jeans that are so skinny that you can see the iPhone in the pocket, which is something that I can't abide by. But for the most part, I actually think from a positive view that it just shows that a couple is comfortable with each other. Yeah, I think it's very sweet. I think it's the inside swag gap that matters. And I was thinking of couples. Like obviously everyone is saying that Timothy Chalameh and Kylie Jenner, they're kind of very well matched because they understand the

assignment and they are willing to get a bit silly with it. But I was thinking about someone like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie for example who for years people would have been like a match in both coolness and prestige and altruism and this like both very very cool. And as it turns out, there was a swag app there. She, I think is fantastic. She's very cool. She's the person that she think she is and we think she is. I would wager. Whereas he is a loser despite the appearance of prestige and swag. He is a big old loser. So, is the inner swag that matters most. That's the message on this podcast. Thank you so much for listening this week. And on the subject of listening, have you caught up with this week's bonus episode or we discuss the women who are quite quitting their marriages?

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