Everything Is Content - Nudifying Technology, Bad Husband Content & Toxic Ambition in Marty Supreme

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Morning EICitizens! And welcome to the Republic of Content. On this week's docket...We head briefly over to Beverly Hills to discuss last Sunday's Golden Globes. What did we think of the winners and who do we deem the best dressed/worst behaved?Then we get stuck into Marty Supreme, Josh Safdie's new sports comedy-drama fronted by Timothée Chalamet. In it he plays ruthlessly ambitious Marty Mauser, a shoe salesman with grand plans to become the ping pong world champ. The film is getting rave reviews (and has just earned TC his very first Golden Globe)- but what did we think? Worth the hype or just another tired tale of a selfish man with big ambitions?Next up: Grok. 2026 started with mass digital violations, as huge numbers of women (and children) were targeted with deepfakes thanks to a new feature of Elon Musk’s AI tool which allowed digital undressing of real photos. As of this Wednesday Grok will apparently now ignore instructions to generate sexualised images, but we argue that the damage is already done. What do we think is behind this trend (spoiler: it's misogny) and what else should be done?Finally we investigate if people online are growing tired of content about useless male partners, especially if their wives and girlfriends won't listen. Comment threads are now full of the same sentiment: if you're not going to leave him, then leave us out if it. Is this a fair response? And does it speak to a cultural divide or just a digital one?Thank you SO MUCH for listening- as well as for your lovely messages and reviews. Please keep them coming as we love hearing from you and it helps us continue making the podcast. Love B, R, O xIn partnership with Cue Podcasts.........This week Beth was loving The Golden Globes coverage (e.g. the outfits), Ruchira was loving Industry (available on iPlayer in the UK and HBO elsewhere) and Oenone was loving Marty Supreme (in cinemas now!).The Hollywood Reporter - Timothée Chalamet and Josh Safdie: How We Made 'Marty Supreme'BBC - X could 'lose right to self-regulate', says StarmerThe Telegraph - Elon Musk's X stops bikini bot undressing womenThe Guardian - 'Add blood, forced smile': how Grok's nudification tool went viralBBC - Malaysia and Indonesia block Musk's Grok over explicit deepfakesDistractify - TikTok "Butter Dish Woman" Complains About Fiancé's Small Gift TikTok - The Original Single List Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Ruchera. And I'm Inoni. And this is Everything is Content, the podcast that dives into the murky depths of pop culture and current affairs, so you don't have to. Whether it's red carpet looks, tech nightmares, celebrity breakups or TikTok trends,

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Follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Everything is Content Pod and make sure you hit follow on your podcast player so you never miss an episode. But first things first, what have you both been loving this week? So what I have been loving and actually was losing sleepover on Sunday night was the Golden Globes, which I never know when these awards ceremony is coming. They come out of nowhere and then I'm hooked for an evening on not the ceremony itself, I have to admit, whatever it is, I just can't be bothered to watch. But I was refreshing Twitter slash X. It was for the gowns. It was for the looks. I can't remember if there was

any controversy about the winners. A lot of people saying it feels like adolescence has been winning for about 14 years, but very well deserved. What else is there? Best drama film Hamlet. We on the podcast are yet to watch. Listeners, let us know, do we need to cover this? Do we need to watch? One battle after another, which we all adored. I think that got best musical or comedy. Timothy Shalame, one from Artis Supreme. I'm trying to think who else. I was excited about Tiana Taylor for one battle after another. Yes. Any other winners that stood out for you too, if you have watched or if you have caught up?

I loved Jessie Buckley's speech and actually all of her speeches that she's been giving specifically when she said that she could drink Paul Mascal like a glass of water. I really... Have you not seen that? And she's like, I know that every woman in the audience wants to get with you, but they can't, but I get to be your friend. And then she's like, I could just drink you like a glass of water. She's very gorgeous.

So I thought the speeches this year were very good. I agree. Tiana Taylor doing that kind of. of shout out for all the little brown girls who now can see that they can do it was like oh my god i need i don't know it just it still never gets old when you see somebody in that position making a speech like that it really just hits me right in the chest loved it my number one speech has to be wonder sykes when she's like i love you ricky jvace for not being here because if you win you're going to thank god and the trans community and then the winner is and then it's ricky and she says that

and it's just oh it's just so good i've seen a little snippets of the speeches but But I was watching, there's one bit where Leonardo DiCaprio is talking to someone else and he's just loving his life. He's sort of like making fun of someone. I don't know what it is, but his body language is hilarious. And also, I think he was sat next to Sean Penn who just lit up a cigarette during, I think it was during a speech. It was at some point during the dinner. I think it's all inside. So what the fuck's going on, which I thought was kind of iconic.

I don't like Sean Penn as a man, but sorry, that is kind of cuntu. Those are two of my favorite moments. So I've actually watched loads of people do lip reading of what Leonardo de Caprio says. And apparently he's talking to take. Tiana Taylor and he's taking the piss out of her because some K-pop star gets an award. And then Tiana Taylor goes, who's K-pop? Oh, that's, oh, that's K-P. And then she's, like, laughing.

And then he re-does an impression of her doing that. So it sounds like she thinks K-pop is a person and she's trying to, like, figure out who it is. So he's, like, taking the piss. And yes, with Sean Penn, I was laughing because online people were going, is this not illegal, but, like, very sincerely. And I was like, they need to go to Europe because they also just don't care. Like, the celebrities are always smoking in the bathroom at the Met Gala. when you're that rich, that famous, there's probably something in Sean Penn's like contract on going

anywhere that he's going to have a cigarette, otherwise he won't go. I might put that in my contract as well. Can we quickly discuss the gowns of it all? Because I do think it was a really good showing of outfits. I didn't see any outfits that I was like, oh, clangor, which feels quite unusual for me, because I'm quite judgmental person. Were there any top looks for both of you? I feel like I actually didn't pick up on any of the fashion. So, And only you'll have to tell me who the top people are. Well, Miley Cyrus is rightfully so being called Mother Cunt because I think she was wearing custom. Eve Sanderol, I might be wrong, but she's wearing like a long-sleeved black, sparkly gown with sunglasses.

She looked amazing. The little blonde boy from All's Fair was wearing the cutest little blue suit with a gorgeous brooch on, and he did the sweetest interview. And they were like, who are you most excited to see? And he was like, Sarah Snook, she was so nice to me. And she just played with me. That was really cute. I don't know if either you followed the guy and this is going to kill me because I

I should have known his name, but there's a guy on Instagram who goes, he pops up in the corner and then he like rates all the outfits. And he's always like, mm, don't love it. Oh, that's nice. Have you seen him? Do you know who I mean? I think I know who you mean, yeah. I'll find it and put him in the show notes because he is actually my go-to now.

I absolutely love all of his round-ups. But on Miley Cyrus, quickly, sorry to deviate from the outfits. My other favorite thing was, did you hear that Jacob Allaudie apparently asked her out on a date? And she had to be like, I'm engaged. I need this to be confirmed because there's a picture of them talking. And everyone's like, and this is what was happening. He was asking her out. are honestly just a beautiful pop-caution moment.

He's a little bit of a ho, isn't he? Like, I feel like when you actually look at his track list, he's got some amazing exes, Pete Davidson's style. Like, he's a little bit of a celebho. But it's quite different from Pete Davidson, I think, because I think the Pete Davidson's schick was that people didn't necessarily find him conventionly attractive, which in hindsight, I think...

They're wrong about. They're wrong because he actually is, and I don't know why we were all... Not me, but everyone else is saying he was ugly. Not I either. But Jacob Lordy, sorry, is a god. Like, if I was Jacob Lordy... I would have slept with every man, woman and adult on the planet. I was wearing what the third thing was going to be there.

I suddenly realised what that is normally. So I think they would be a really great power couple. But I just remembered actually one of my favourite outfits was Jennifer Lawrence's sheer, flowery and boiled it down. I did see that. Loved, so beautiful. Literally looked like Botticelliesk almost, like coming out of the woods or something. People have been saying they don't like it. But I think that was because some people have been saying it looks too much like Suki Waterhouses.

24 Met Gala gown and obviously she just done a film with Sucke Waterhouse's partner, Rob Pattinson. So people I think were being like, I've seen this before, where? Oh, Suki. Oh, relax, guys. That is so funny, Beth, because I was literally just about to say to you guys, I came up with this all by myself. I haven't seen other people saying that. I was going to be like, isn't it so interesting? She's just on a film with Rob Passen and it looks exactly because that, that dress that that Suki wore is one of my all-time favorite dresses and there's clips of her and R-Pats at that, whatever it was. And I sometimes just watch them over because I,

I think that they are like the most enough gorgeous couple, although people are saying like Robert Patterson has not gone home since they've had that baby. Like he has been at work the whole time. With his paycheck, I think he was her, I'd be like, do you know what, you go out, you make these films, bring him the bacon. And then in a few years they can swap. Because she's fantastic as well. Yes, she is.

A look that has been quite contentious was I-O adabiri's Chanel look with people saying, which is quite kind of, it's sort of velvety, it's very, it's demure, it's classy. People saying that her ambassadorship with, Chanel is just like clipping her wings a bit and it's a very safe look and I think I agree with that. It's quite kind of prim and proper and I didn't love it. But I love her. I agree with you. It feels very conservative for the kind of person she is and I feel like I brought her up as one of my favorite dress last year and it's because she was wearing all of these bold colors, this like suiting that was very just like very modern, very chic. Whereas that was like quite boring.

You could put anyone in that dress and famously we do know that Margot Robbie had some of her worst looks with Chanel. So they're not the best partner with, in my opinion. Do you know, I had to disagree with you both because I think I, at a beer, it's like that old Hollywood glamour and she's wearing the dress rather than the dress wearing her. So even though it is really plain, she looked absolutely gorgeous. And I do think someone else in that dress, you could have been like, ugh, what a flop. I have seen that people saying like, she's young, she's playful, she should be given these other things. But I actually think she looks absolutely stunning in it. And I guess there could be room for more playfulness. I don't think Chanel is anyway in her as bad as it used to be,

It was honestly like a death trap for any celebrity that got put in it. But I think at the minute it's Iyo and Margaret Qualley, who they do give often quite that unusual fun outfits too that seem to suit her. But I disagree. I actually love Iio's look. Also, I learn apparently it's a debris, whereas I was saying, wait, I owe a debiri. It's a debris.

Oh, I say adibiri. Okay, good intel. Good intel. Yeah. Okay, just do one final shout out for the fact that Maura Higgins from Love Island was on the red carpet for the Golden Globes and loads of people in the States. I think she is a presenter over there, but loads of people are like,

no idea who this woman is but wow she slayed the house down boots mama she looks unreal but it's so funny that someone who a few years ago was kind of on a date in the love island garden with tommy fury is now strutting the red carpet one of the biggest red carpets in america i was like you know what more a gone girl she's on celebrity traitors in the u.s at the minute and i am so gagged to see how she operates in that circle because i feel like she would just rip it apart so then i've seen so many clips of Nikki Glazier's speech, the one that keeps doing the rounds, which I thought Leonardo DiCaprio took really well, is she says something like, and you've done all of this, and you've managed to achieve it all before your girlfriend turned 30, and then everyone laughs.

And then she's like, I'm sorry to make that joke, it's just you don't give us anything. That's actually all we know about you. And he seems really good nature and good humor about it. And I did, I think being a comedian at the Golden Globes is such a hard job. And I think that Ricky Jervais, you see such a shock factor and everyone's kind of really gone off him now. but she did it really well because I think that's probably one of the hardest audiences and you do kind of have to roast them. Some of it always falls a bit flat for me

but I actually think she did extremely well. Anoni, what have you been loving this week? So the thing, I think I've been looking forward to this the most of all the things coming up but it is industry season four which the first episode premiered late on Monday night, really late like 10.40pm. I don't know if it's going to be like that every week.

But we are getting at the same time as the US which is really exciting because it's so I'm fair to get it before us. Anyway, so we join the cast Mahala as Harper and Marissa Abella as Yasmin. And there are some new faces. So Tehib that is of Ted Lasso fame has joined the cast, who is playing Harper's love interest in the first episode. And basically, it's moved beyond Peerpoint. So Peerpoint in the Bank they all worked at has collapsed. And now they're slightly older. They're moving into their own fields. It's like darker, sexier. It's

FinTech. It's about UK politics. I just think it's really daring the show, basically, the place that it goes. And I didn't know this, and I don't know if either of you knew this, but I think because industry taps into something that I feel slightly close to you due to the fact always going out with men that work and finance, that I've been obsessed with it since season one. But apparently season one was the least watch show on HBO. Really? I'm not surprised. It was that one series, maybe it was series three even, where it just seemed to boom. And I'm not sure why. But yeah, I'm not, I'm not totally surprised by that, because I do feel like I was watching it

and barely anyone I knew really cared about it at the time. That is so interesting. Anyway, so I'm really excited. I've read loads of press pieces about this about how it goes deeper, darker. There's already a thread starting with Yasmin's character where she's quite like Gislaid Maxwell, which I hadn't actually realised from the last season,

but about how like Gislaim Maxwell's dad used to have a boat called Lady Gislane and Yasmin's dad had a boat called Lady Yasmin. And so everyone's wondering whether or not her thread's going to follow that deeper and darker. And Eric, who's my favourite character in the show, he's retired but he does come back in. So they're kind of setting it up with all these different characters. There's a dinner party scene where you see this kind of like politician sat with Yasmin and

Harper and all these other people and you kind of see the inner workings of how power plays behind closed doors. And it's good because it's tapping into all of the things that we all talk about day to day, but in a very sadistic and clever and funny way. Have you watched it? So I've watched the first episode, which dropped this week. And my God, it is just like, they still managed to make me clutch my pearls. And I don't feel like I'm. particularly prudish. But there's this one scene. I'm not going to spoil it, but I don't, I don't feel like I've ever seen anything on BBC that shows this one kind of facet of sexuality. And I was just like, this is fucking cool. I'm so impressed with them, A, getting this on BBC,

and B just the daringness, like you say, I think it's really cool. I think it's just really interesting. I think it's so funny. It's very, everyone uses this on the back of books, but whip smart. I don't really understand 90% of the business slash techie stuff. No. But I'm kind of fine with it. What about you, Beth? I adore industry. I have not watched this series.

Yeah. Is it just one episode that's out at time of recording, EG early this week? Okay, that's fine. I think I want to go back and watch the last series because I realized I've got the perfect brain for watching TV because I'm all in and then give it a few months. I've forgotten everything that's happened.

So I get to rewatch all the time. But in this case, I'm like, I've forgotten who everyone is. I've forgotten who is alive, who's dead, left. So I'm going to go back and watch at least just the last series. Is Charlie Heaton in the first episode? Because I've seen a clip of Keenan Shipka, who is, I mean, she's been in so much stuff, but I'm also rewatching Madman at the moment. And she plays Don Draper's daughter from like a very, very young age. So I'm like, what do you mean this tiny toddler from 2007 is effing and blinding in industry? I can't wait. But I'm also very excited to see Charlie Heaton because I've

never seen him in anything that's not Stranger Things because he plays, I want to say, Will's brother in strange things. Charlie. Is that a... Charlie? No, he is. He's the reporter. He's the he is in the first episode. I gasped. They have injected it with so many big American stars. I was like, oh, do I feel weird that this doesn't feel super British anymore? And I was like, okay, jury's out on that because it definitely does feel like HBO money has gone into it more and more. Is he not British? He's got such a British face. No, he is. But I think, because he's a stranger things guy, I think of him as like, you know, a big Netflix actor. No, you're right. That is one of my things I thought, God, it's American. And I do love, as I say, of probably every other episode, anything that's like British. I did think that it feels very Americanized. But it also does something which I think only a British show could do, which is the way that it talks about race and racism is probably the most clever on the nose, daring, face up front. I often feel like TV is lagging slightly behind where the cultural conversation is. And industry sometimes feels like it's a bit ahead. It's whip smart, as you say, Ritera. Also, though, Beth, on what you were saying, I think I am actually going to have.

have to, before I watch any more, go back and watch season three. Because I got so confused that I thought, for some reason that Rishi's character has been killed. So when he appeared, I was like, what? And then I had to Google. And then I was mixing up loads of stuff. And I was like, did Harper Sleep with Eric? And then I was Googling that. That didn't happen either. So I think I am, I think I've got lost because I did rewatch season one, which actually also with a rewatch is great. I did so that. Anyway, I'm going to rewatch it all and then keep

watching. And I'm excited to see where it goes. You could do a sexual timeline. to just help everyone else out because I think there probably would be loads of Venn diagram overlaps of everyone, but the timeline might be the best way to plot it. Yeah, that's true. I am really missing Harry Laughty because after re-watching the first season, I am sort of in love. So can I just say story listeners? When you said sexual timeline, I think I went into the mic.

It just happened. Ritera, what have you been loving? So I have been sitting on this like an egg. I've been waiting for you two to catch up with me on Marty Supreme. I watched it on New Year's Eve, and my God, I've been desperate to discuss it. I feel like everyone must know this film off by heart because of the mad kind of marketing spin that's gone behind it for the last year, what feels like. But for anyone who doesn't know, it is a ping pong table tennis sports film, but it's so much

more than that. It's set in the 1950s and Timothy Chalemay plays this ruthlessly but bizarrely charming, ambitious Marty Mouser, who is loosely based on the real-life American table tennis legend, Marty Riceman. And it's directed by Josh Safdi, who also did Good Time and Uncut Gems with his brother, but this one is crucially just him on his own. It was released on Boxing Day in the UK, but since then, Timothy has won a Golden Globe and a Critics Choice Award, and the film just seems to be a major contender for the upcoming award season. I don't know if he's going to get an Oscar, but I feel like it looks like if he gets all of these awards, it would be a huge surprise

if he doesn't. I know you both have watched this, but I'm just going to do a quick recap. We meet Marty when he's working as a shoe salesman in New York, and it's basically to pay for his big flight to London for the Table Tennis World Championship. His uncle, who owns the shop, refuses to pay him. So you get this first taste of what kind of character this is going to be. Marty does something a bit extreme, I would say, to get the flight and to make it all the way to London. In an interview for the Hollywood reporter, Timothy said, quote, in spirit, this is the most who I was that have had to play a role. This is who I was before I had a career. Some people are fortunate enough to stumble into their success or be passive about their pursuit of whatever they

want to do in life. That wasn't it for me. For me, it was putting in the 10,000 hours. It was dropping out of college. It was taking a risk. It was pursuing projects that were untraditional at first. At the time, it was kind of radical. The choices I was making when I was So most major critics are giving Marty Supreme very high scores, but I turn to you two, my two favourite critics in the entire world. Please give me your review. This is hot off the press because I went and saw this last night. And I somehow hadn't watched a trailer,

but I just knew, because basically I think from the minute it was announced, Richard was like I'm going to go and see it. So I didn't even really, I know that he's been doing this mega, mega press tour. I've seen pictures, but I honestly had not engaged. I genuinely just thought it was going to be a film about table tennis. And you did both warn me. You were like just strap in, be aware. And I went in, I ate pretty much all of my sweets before the film even started.

And then I was kind of getting a bit antsy and I was like, oh. And then I was sat. I've never been more sat. I was so seated. At points, I had my coat over my head. I was listening to an interview with Josh Safdi this morning just to like learn more about the film. It's making me think of when we spoke about one battle after another. There are so many ways that you could describe this film.

It's like a film about parenthood. It's a film about ambition. It's a film about. Jewishness and community. It's a film about the struggles of trying to change the roots of where you came from. I also want to know if you both found it funny, because there was hardly anyone in my, I'm in Cheltenham, so I was one of about five people in the cinema and I kept laughing and no one was laughing and I kept feeling really bad because the jokes are dark. Like it goes, it crosses a lot of boundaries, but I do think it's a funny film even though I also at points did have my coat over my head.

I was blown away and I think I was especially blown away because I went in. with absolutely kind of no clue about what I was about to experience. I do think it's one of the best films that we've seen in a while. It's up there with my bangers. I would watch again. Beth, what about you? Yeah, I mean, I was laughing. There are bits where it's the only thing you can do is laugh.

There are also bits I was inside Miko as well. Like, I went to see this. I was really disappointed because I knew this was out around Christmas time. And so I was like, right, I'll go and see it in between, in the Gouche, basically. It didn't, it wasn't really released in the sticks where I live until early this year. So I was kind of like really itching to go and see it. I was like, I just want to get this out of the way. I just want to have seen this.

I need to know. Because the press tour involved, I mean, it involved Susan Boyle. It involved an entourage of people with ping pong ball heads. It involved a vogueing talent competition, something like that. I think it might have even involved a big orange blimp, but I haven't seen that to confirm. So I was like, I need to go and see this film. SD kid as well. SD kid.

Like, this is the most insane press tour for a film, which is about a 1950s shoe salesman turned ping pong legend. So I was already kind of obsessed. I didn't really matter what it was about. Side note, I genuinely thought, when I watched this trailer months and months ago, this was about Martin's Corsezi. And I was like, this is wild. He just loves ping pong. Obviously, it was not about that. I have never watched a safty before, I have to admit, because Uncut Jems came out and everyone was like, this room in my life, I've not slept sense. And I was like, I don't like feeling uncomfortable. So I'm probably not going to watch that. But this, the Timothy Chalameh factor got me in. And I absolutely loved it. It's not a warm cinema in the sleepy town where I live. I was sweating. It was snowing outside. I was sweating in that cinema. I was so uncomfortable. I was in my jumper. I was at my jumper. Popcon was flying. I was laughing a lot. I was gasping a lot. I wasn't talking during the film, but there was a lot of noise coming from my section. I thought it was fantastic. And I think the reason that it was so fantastic for me is because I felt so much. And I think I've maybe watched quite a few like thinky films lately and sort of feeling films and like, oh, I've got to ponder on that one.

That might, that's a slow burn. This is like a slap to the face. Like I was so distressed. I was agitated. I was like fist pumping the air. And I think what I've seen of the response is a lot of people trying to get this moral read of the film because we're giving no spoilers, but we're hinting. Marty Supreme is kind of up to some stressful hijings. He is not a necessarily straightforwardly good character or straightforwardly bad character, I would say, but he's very like driven and singularly focused, which is very frustrating. I just went in and was like, whoever this man is, I'm going to follow him on this mad ping-palling, ping-ponging journey around the world. I'm going to leave. And I just was so obsessed. Is it the trifecta Rucho? Did you love it? Yeah, I obviously loved it. It was absolutely mad. You're so right. It felt like after watching

quite a few films and I love these kind of films where you're in your head quite a lot and you're working out the psychology or the relationships and what it means and all that kind of stuff. There was none of that. I wasn't thinking for a second. It doesn't leave you time to think in my opinion. It really is just you are feeling every emotion of it. I think to me, Timothy Shalame was so excellent. I think I love those kind of roles where it's somebody who is really difficult. You're not straightforwardly loving or agreeing with their decisions or really feeling comfortable with who they are, but you are just mesmerized by them. That kind of singular ambition, it almost felt like a drug to watch it. This person who is so unlimited in what they will do to get

to this goal, it is just mesmerizing to watch. And it's almost like this bizarre level of charm, but also, I don't think you really see people exist like this in the world because they're probably, I don't know, mad, unhinged people. It's not normal to have that level of ambition. So I think following a person who is singular but also willing to kind of cut people off in his life to do the worst things, to do the best things, to put himself in these uncomfortable situations, to go after this one dream. It is just, it almost feels like a potent drug that you're with him in this one journey. So I don't know, I loved watching it. I also think if you have watched Uncut Gems,

the Safty Brothers slash Josh Safty, because this is just him. They do really similar films. And I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's a really cool thing because you know what you're getting into, but they kind of change the mechanics of it, perfect it. You come out feeling similarly, but you feel like you've seen a completely different world. I knew nothing about table tennis. By the end of it, I was like, table tennis is fucking cool.

I want to follow table tennis. That's an insane feat to achieve because I did not care about the sport before. Oh my God. When you were talking about how ambitious he was, listen, I do not agree with the thing that that man did. He did some really awful things and we can get into them more. But I found it quite inspirational. I was like, fuck, I need to go out to my dream. But then I was like, shit.

I didn't actually know what my exact dream is. That's my issue. I keep five minutes, I have a new dream. And also, same as Beth. I never watched uncut gems for a very bad reason, which was just, I kept seeing that Julia Fox, uncut James, whatever the thing, meme was. And it just completely screwed my idea of what the film is about. But I want to watch it now. Josh Safti was saying that this is like a more mature version of that.

And he was talking about how he keeps diaries all the time. And actually he had started thinking about this Marty Supreme character, maybe in tandem or like even before he'd done uncut gems. And that he'd shown this character. There was a quote from that same Hollywood reporter piece that you mentioned in the interview where he talked about how his wife picked up a copy of the money player, which is the book written by the table tennis player that Marty Supreme is based on. And she was like, oh, it's got.

this funny kind of looking guy on the cover and he showed it to Timmy and because they were talking about it and then he said I would love to do a movie in this world check up what this player looks like and frankly Timmy was like holy shit this really looks like me and that's when he started playing like table tennis and Safty I think had family that had played table tennis as well so this has all been like percolating in his mind for a really long time and it's just so fascinating to think all of that world building and when you break it I really do want to watch it again because there's so many layers like one of the bits I loved is the way right at the beginning of the film they're trying to get Marty to come back so they're all pretending that the mum's in hospital and everyone's bringing him like

I've got to take your mum to the hospital and it's like this is a thread throughout their family this is how Marty has become this charming like kind of fox cunning creature that knows how to lie to people to get what he wants because it's what he's been taught to do it's like a mode of survival and manipulation which runs and so it's all really deftly shown and not told to you even though he's such a complex character and the decisions he makes are every single time probably like the worst decision you could have made. And I'm sure it's no surprise to you both, but there is a bit about a dog, which I won't spoil. But I was like, I'm going to have to lead this theatre. This is not resolved. I was, I was really, really stressed. It's so funny. People will watch any amount of horror on screen.

The minute there's a dog, even in the slightest peril, people are like, I'm absolutely not having it. It's so, like, I think there's even a website or a thing where you can check, does the dog die in any given film? Again, no spoilers. The dog's actually just in it for a little bit, but it is a good plot point. Even outside of that, I was just like, I did honestly think I need to like put a weighted blanket on and go in my headphones for about this is too intense. It's just relentless. It's really funny that you say like this made you want to pursue your dream. I read it such a cautionary trial. I was like maybe I need to actually relax because he is so stressed out. I think it's the reality of really ambitious people that aren't kind of broadly ambitious in like,

I want to be rich, I want to be successful. It doesn't really matter. You know, the kind of entrepreneurs, they'll try this, they'll try this, they'll do anything and then they end up successful. This is someone that's like, no, I must be successful at one thing. And it's Pong because it's such a find, like he does find himself in just the most ridiculous scrapes. Like, this is someone who could obviously be. He's a dream of a salesman. He could easily, like, you know, inherit the family business. He could start his own shoe business. He could be rich and happy and successful. No, he would rather be killing himself in the pursuit of Pong. And I was like, God, do I feel like that? I think we must do because, like, even this podcast, like, we work very hard and, you know,

it's very much a work in progress where effort versus current reward, like, is not a balance. It makes you suffer quite a lot when you really want something or when you're really committed to something. I was like, God, to be Marty and even like a percentage, which I think at most, I may be like 2% Marty, it's kind of hell. Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting because you're not, you're not wrong, but I also had the same interpretation as you and only. I was like, to live is to throw yourself at this one dream and give it your all and then you die and you know you did a good job. And I was like, that's why I said it was like this heady drug watching him because I was like so in it and I felt like my dopamine like crashing out of my brain being like

oh pressing the dopamine button over and over and over again I was like I have to give myself to a dream I have to do it I have to do it and then that is what life is for and logic coming back into my brain having this conversation I'm like wow that's a that's a mad reaction to have I do think no it's so integral that he's so young because these choices that he makes like for instance I was even stressed there's a bit right at the beginning where he decides to check himself into the ritz and I'm thinking you're not going to be, I knew he wasn't going to be able to pay for it, which is something like comes up later. And you're thinking, but that is the kind of thing that a 20-year-old when you're so gung-ho and you believe it and you kind of have an arrogance that like talent

means everything. And it does kind of work. And I think when you get into your 30s, you start to go like, oh no, I actually, you lose a bit of the gumption I certainly have where I'm like, actually I don't deserve to be in these rooms. Whereas in my 20-s, I'm like, yeah, sure, I might not be the best, but like I'll give it a go kind of thing, even though he does think he's the best. And some of my favorite scenes, one of them is the phone call that he has. I mean, I mean, we haven't spoken about the ensemble cast, which we need to do. But when he rings up Gwyneth Paltrow, who's this movie star, he's being interviewed by these journalists. And they all stop looking at him because they start looking at this woman who's been really famous movie star.

Kay, can't remember her name. And they, so he doesn't even know who she is. And then the minute he finds out she's staying in the ritz and that she's famous, he just becomes obsessed and wants to, like, orbit her. And he managed to, like, ring her and kind of seduce her. And the phone call is just so hilarious that it's, there are, I think, I don't know which one of you said this. I do think this is dying up. I do think there were people like this, like great eccentrics and charmers and people that just were able to charm the pants of people, but he's obviously also quite like sadistic and amoral and maybe slightly sociopathic, I have to say. Yeah, I think the problem is a lot of those people probably have podcasts now.

So true. Three of them right here. Whereas I think back then you probably just would be a fun character about town having all your hijinks. But one thing I'll say is I came out of the cinema and I was like, men, you need to understand all women, why. is like a just very sassy kind of cunty man just like very charming charming the pants off you and he can look like marty supreme that's not a problem because one of my biggest beefs was after baby girl a lot of men I spoke to were like how could Nicole Kidman fool for this intern who's just backchating her and I was like of course she would fall for an intern who backchats her I feel

like women just want a backchatting kind of smarmy man really secretly but that don't go Girlie wellies, don't go for them. You can sleep with them all you want, but please, that's not your man for life. You might disagree with me. This is a really rogue one that I'm just pulling out my asshole. But in a way, Marty Supreme is kind of giving Trump. Like if Trump hadn't set his eyes on the White House and just carried on doing like pageantry and being this, because he is, and I do think that anyone that seeks that level of power and it is ultimately

that a lot of the film is about getting the power and winning. Unfortunately, maybe those people, yeah, especially Trump, who is really charismatic, like strip away the fact that he's just the most awful person in the world because of what he does. I mean, Marties as well. If he was channeling that into like a funnier arena, we might actually love him. Unfortunately, he's doing awful things and he really needs to be sort of like put in jail. Yeah, that is the bind with these characters. When you do separate out character from like character, like the character they play versus their actual character, Trump is so, and it's so effective in him because he is so isolated. These moments are so funny. And then you go, oh, he was found liable for sexual assault.

oh, he is so racist. Oh, he's literally a dictator of the free world. Similar with Marty, not that he is a dictator of the free world, but like piece by piece, the lines that he comes out with, the things he does, that phone call scene, not to spoil it, but the thing with the apple, I was like, oh, that would work on me. And then some. He has the gift of the gab, but with sort of like a Greek, tragic kind of, like, if the gods had cursed him to be amazing at talking, but he always goes too far, there are so many moments where he gets exactly what he wants through his own persistence, and then he just says that one extra thing,

he just does that one extra thing and it's all taken away. And that I think, he's sort of like quite a ancient Greek character. He's like a fable of a man. It's so Greek tragedy. That's such a good. It's so good. It's so true.

You mentioned the amazing cast and Oni, and I feel like we have to talk about it. So you said Gwyneth Paltrow. I didn't realize this, but Nomi Frye, famous New Yorker critic, has a cameo in it, which I only heard about. She plays Gwyneth Paltrow's, I think, assistant, press person, whatever, and she basically elicits Mardi to, not to ruin it, but basically has a little moment there.

The guy who plays Gwyneth Paltrow's husband, also famous TV entrepreneur, is that right to say? I think he's like a Dragon's Den type or like a shark tank guy who's never acted before. Yes. And then obviously, he's so good. He was amazing. I thought he was exceptional. And also Odessa, our favorite from I Love L.A. Odessa Zion. Amazing. I think she's going to be one of the biggest movie stars in the next few years, and it's already happening. I mean, that's the most ridiculous thing to say it's happening. But I think she will be ginormous. She's amazing. And this is such a tangent, but have you seen kind of Whigate with her? Yes. So for listeners, her look, she's kind of undergone a little bit

of a transformation, as we all do, between our kind of teenage mid-20s, late 20s, where she's her hair's darker and it's a lot more full and people are going, okay, she's wearing a wig. How do I do this? And then she was on the red carpet and she was sort of going, there's this rumor that I'm wearing a wig, like, as if I could afford such a wig. And people are, you're nepo baby adjacent. You're obviously very rich. What is this kind of cosplaying as somebody who can't afford a wig? I'm not that invested, but I do think it's quite funny slash possibly one of those hideous Hollywood hate trains on any woman that dares to be successful. People really aren't enjoying her. And I'm just, I'm kind of watching it thinking this

needs to stop soon because it really feels quite pointed. Have you seen the Odessa hate? Well, to go back to the Golden Globes, there's a moment that people have captured where Odessa goes over to Timmy, who's obviously sat next to Kylie, and she kisses them on both cheeks, and then it looks like she avoids Kylie. But prior to that, I'd already seen a video of those two, like, hugging and chatting. There's two camps, and I see them both, which people go, oh my God, Hollywood love Kylie, because there's all these pictures of her with, like, Ellie Fanning and J-Law and all these people. And then there's another side which is like, everyone hates Kylie, and they're trying to make everyone feel like she's outed.

It definitely felt like people were trying to say that Adessa is something. People are ready to dislike her, certainly, in a way which feels very interesting. Because I actually, this is so funny, but I remember her from going out with Jaden Smith. Do you guys find out this is years ago. Wait, what? This is because I was such a daily male cyber shame. Oh, you mean Kylie? Not Odessa.

No, no. Odessa. Oh, sorry. Yeah. I did Kylie as well. Oh, did Kylie. No, Kylie did. Guys, sorry, just to interject, there's this amazing famous picture.

of Jaden with white makeup all over his face after him and Kylie come out for cinema. Oh yes, yeah, I have seen that. Sorry, as you were. So I can't, this is like years ago. So I've kind of been aware of her. And then I thought I'd seen her in something, but maybe I hadn't.

I'm just looking at the pictures now. They were really cute. You need to look it up. But she has blown, like she has really kind of blown up. And it's really impressive to see it. And by the way, I finished I love L.A., and I think she's great in that. And this really shows her range.

So she's those two roles happening kind of in tandem is amazing, I think. I've just seen the pictures. And she looks like, such a little baby. They are so cute. On Whigate, I've been seeing all the reports about it. To my, I mean, I was going to say to my shame, but actually to my fame, have now just basically not used X anymore. So I am very isolated from these hate train trends for good or bad. So let's get into it because 2026 started the way that only 2026 could with huge members

of women being targeted with deepfakes thanks to a new feature of Elon Musk's AI tool grok. This is obviously a giant scandal thanks to how accessible this capability now is for people and why politicians are taking so long to do anything about it. But before we dive in, let's give you a recap. So at the beginning of the year, there was a put-the-mini bikini trend on X, which meant images could be manipulated by the chatbot to put people into a bikini. And while the function doesn't allow full nudity, it wasn't long before users found a work around and it quickly descended into requests for women to be put into transparent bikinis

and manipulated into sexual positions. Analysis from The Guardian found that by the 8th of January, as many as 6,000 bikini demands were being made to the chatbot every hour. And they also reported that the public outcry raged for nine days before X made any substantive changes to stem the trend. And by the time it acted early on Friday morning, degrading non-consensual manipulated pictures of countless women had already flooded the internet.

Since then, underage girls have been undressed, swastikas have been put into images, Women have been given blood stains and disabilities shown to be getting deported if they're not white. And images of René Nicole Goode, the woman killed by an ICE agent in the US on Wednesday, were made to show bullet wounds on her face. As of recording, Malaysia and Indonesia are the first and only countries to have banned access to GROC. And the BBC reported that the UK will make it illegal to create non-consensual images of people. Speaking to Labour MPs on Monday, Sir Keir Stama warned X could lose the right to self-regulate. If X cannot control GROC, we will.

he said, adding the government would act quickly in response to the issue. It's currently illegal to share deep fakes of adults in the UK, but legislation in the data use and access act, which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them, has not been enforced until now, despite it passing in June 2025. Now, this is obviously so abhorrent. Ritcher, I know you said you're not on acts, but have you both been keeping up with all of it and how is it making you feel? I, and I don't feel good about this. I basically have been seeing all the reporting about it and just have not been reading any of it because it feels too much. It feels just like I know it's happening. I know this is an issue that's been bubbling

for ages and the fact that this is only getting systematically worse and encouraged because of Elon Musk makes me feel so deeply depressed. So it was only, I think the beginning of this week and the end of last week that I caught up on it. And it was because The Guardian did this really good piece on his, you know, from beginning to end, what exactly has happened. And I caught up on that. And then I now just feel so angry, so angry at the world that has allowed this to happen, so angry at politicians who are so slow, especially in the UK, I'm so embarrassed and so mortified and so disappointed at the lackluster response to this. This should be one of the biggest scandals in the country right now that not enough is being done. And it just feels so slow. What about you, Beth?

Yeah, I think it has been one of those, it is the ultimate in hating women. It's the ultimate girl. And we predicted this. We said when AI was being used to kind of torment famous people like Taylor Swift. This is the end game. This is where it always ends with this unregulated tech. It's interesting to watch how some people are twisting this into a kind of free speech issue. And it's really frustrating. For a long time, you think, okay, the world's getting worse. But at least what we can all agree on is, you know, creating child sexual abuse images. At least we can all agree that that is repugnant. And it feels like the mask has slipped so far. And it's like, oh, globally, we actually don't all agree that that is revolting.

I mean, obviously with the Epstein stuff, it's very obvious that maybe it turns out the line isn't abusive children. Turns out it's actually, as long as someone can profit, someone will turn a blind eye. And watching the people be like, but it's free speech, it's this. It's like, actually, no, you have no one on earth is entitled to create pornographic images of strangers or sexual abuse images of children. I cannot believe that we're having this argument. And it's so infuriating to watch far right groups who otherwise invoke women and children. all the time for their own ends, you know, to say we need to protect our women, we need to protect our children from, you know, migrants. And that's why we're protesting outside of these centres,

which is obviously racist bullshit. But that is what they say. They're like, we want to protect women from this, this and this. And that's why we're championing the family. When it works for them, they will claim women, they will claim kids. But the minute it is about, I guess that they're kind of true nature in which generating women in this position, that position for their own, like, sick thrills is under threat. Forget the women, forget the children. It just horrifies me to a degree that I think I'm the same. I was watching it, but I wanted to look away because it tapped into a part of my soul. It was like, it speaks to just like the worst impulses in a person and it turns out quite a lot of people have them and do not care. So almost on every single tweet I

go on there's always put them in a bikini. I never actually seem to see the picture. I don't know if you have to click on it or something, but I see it all the time. But what it's just proved again and again is that sexual violence against women is always about power. It's never about sex because there are so many naked images of women on the internet. There is so much porn available to you. You could spend your whole life watching porn. You wouldn't even touch one percent. They want to strip women of their pride and they want to humiliate them, women that haven't consented. It is about taking away power from women and putting them in debilitating, degrading positions. And what's so rank is when you see it so much, you realize it's the brazenness of it.

And we've spoken a lot about the way that sexual liberation has brought poor. and only fans and conversations around sex into the fore, which in some ways has been really good for people understanding their own sexuality and feeling less shameful, but it's also given a massive swath of men this belief that they can just, in the public eye, basically sexually violate women, which is so odd and strange. So a lot of these people asking, put whoever in a bikini, it's just their general Twitter account, sometimes like with a picture of their wife and kids in the picture. It's like we've come to such an odd place in society where there's a situation where there's seems to be like impunity. People are beyond reproach. I mean, we see that so much now with everything

that's going on in the US. But I think it's horrifying how quick it's taken. I think it's so disgusting. I've seen Elon replies to so many things making jokes about how amazing grok is in the wake of all of this happening, just kind of ignoring the paedophilia of it all and just being like, see, look how funny this is. And I wonder if maybe as much as I would actually be really sad if we banned X in the UK, because I do think that Twitter has been, and still is, one of the. best social medias in terms of like reporting and information sharing. I wonder if that is one of the only ways to stem Elon Musk's power, which is something that we really need to do when we look at how he's kind of lobbying for people like Tommy Robinson. And perhaps this will end up being something that

does cause a change. But I would actually be surprised if we do go through with fully banning acts. Do you think that is something that might happen? I don't think it will happen because I think the problem is, and we spoke about this before with the tech oligarchs, having not only their foot, they're entire bodies into politics now. I think it's gone too far. I think it's almost the Pandora's box has been opened and you can't close it. Because of the unregulated years that these tech billionaires have been allowed to operate, it now is no longer an option to curb their power because they have all of these roots, all of these ways to kind of infiltrate politics. That just means that the current people in power will be shoved out. There'll be new people put in place. There'll be puppets in place. I know that

sounds really conspiracy-brained, but I do really think that that's how this operates now. I just, I don't think there's a way out. I was speaking to somebody about this recently, I think the reason why tech regulation has never gone far enough is because also not only is their power shared across these worlds, which are now so intrinsically linked, you can't sever them. It's also a fact that with the economy not working very well, tech contributes a massive part of GDP. And I think they are beholden to these tech billionaires contributing to the economy, that that's the reason that they never put their foot down. They never do anything that is substantial. And I think that's the reason, even though that we have laws in the UK to make deepfakes illegal, barely anything has been

done. It's, you know, coming up to a year that this regulation has been in place in the UK and nothing has been done. And it depresses the hell out of me. But for ages, I was like, we need regulation, we need regulation. And it's only in the last few months that I've been like, oh, this is the why behind why there has never been coherent, effective, realistic legislation because there never will be, in my opinion. Sorry to be bleak. What about you, Beth? Yeah, it's, people don't seem worried, even though this obviously is a criminal offence, as you said at the top. And there was a case in Essex last year where a man called Brandon Tyler was jailed for five years for posting deep-fate pornography. I think it was of women that he knew in an online forum. And I'm not a cast-reminded person,

but I want people to be afraid of that. And you do want to see someone, you want to see someone. You want to see, someone actually punished to, you know, because it's willfully doing something which causes distress. No one could be under the illusion that this is not illegal. It's disgusting. It's also illegal. I think on the topic of Elon Musk kind of having to do anything, I think his response to this, his sort of like showboating just shows that he knows that he is sort of untouchable on this. I saw the same things as you and only. He is sort of extolling the virtues of GROC every single day. I think he called it compared to other AIs, GROC is solid as a rock. and it will get much better, eternally curious to know the deeper truth and appreciation of beauty

are its goals. This is a technology that has created CSAM, which is still available to view, on his website. The fact that he'd be able to say that just speaks to his very deep soul rot, in my opinion. And he's sort of framing this as free speech, and he's taken aim at the UK specifically for our free speech laws. And he is posting and reposting a lot of stuff about the arrests in the UK for social media posts. And he says it's 12,000 people. people a year. It's more than anyone else in the world, which to be clear, it's, I think it's 12,000 arrests a year for breaches of the Communication Act. So it's not social media posts specifically, and also most of those arrests are not ending in prosecution. So you can't be arrested for just

posting something that you don't like, which is how he's framing it, that this is some sort of totalitarian state, but you can be arrested for posts that are threatening, abusive, inciting violence, hate or that are grossly offensive. So that's what he's talking about. He's saying, and to be fair, you don't have to agree that this is a good thing. But he is spreading misinformation and disinformation, basically to his own end so he can say, thank God we've got Grock, this tool of ultimate truth and curiosity. And it's like, your ultimate truth machine is adjusting pictures of minors to be in sexual poses. Like the disconnect there and the fact that people are lining up behind him makes me think,

like we are in an age of losers, ruled by losers, followed by losers. And I just cannot wrap my head around it. I want to stop the world and get off, to be fair. The irony of talking about our free speeches if we're living in a totalitarian state when watching everything that's going on with ice in the US is just so glaring. And even just on a more, like kind of basically insidious level with GROC, you see anyone posts anything on Twitter and the response is always at GROC, what does this mean, at GROC, explain.

Like, it's really atrophying people's ability to want to learn about things and is just totally simplified and everyone kind of believes everything that is said. I do think the one good thing that is only needed because it's Elon Musk's Twitter is the community notes section because that actually is really helpful for people. But I do think that it is so damaging. And every time someone says about what Twitter used to be like, I, it's, what it is interesting to me as a portal is I am just fed all of the right wing rhetoric. So I see things that I would never have seen before. Like the internet is no longer an echo chamber for me. It's actually me being bombarded with views that I, I wouldn't even have been able to conceive of. But I agree with both

you that I just think Elon Musk is too powerful. And I think that once people believe in, it's a bit like Trump, we've just never seen a figure like him before that can say the things he says. And once you say something once and everyone feels too scared to say anything back to you, you've set a precedent then. And then it's like we've really kind of fucked ourselves over. And there's too many things that have happened, especially with Kirstama, where he has not responded quickly enough, definitely enough or with enough clarity. And he's sort of on the fence.

And it just leaves us open to being so weakened by these terrible, terrible men who are completely unscrupulous. So a video went hugely viral on TikTok at the end of last year. It's nine seconds long, no talking, no sound, just a woman in a fleece holding up a butter dish to the camera. It has 3.3 million likes, 28,000 comments, has been saved 60,000 times and has been sent to people 113 times. The caption reads, day five of silence in this household, because I bought my fiancé and Xbox for Christmas, and this is what he got me, e.g. Butterdish. And the comments are full of people telling her to leave, that he clearly doesn't know her very well or like her very much, and that their dynamic won't change and she shouldn't marry him.

But there are also a lot of fed up, mostly women, in replies, and some of the most popular comments were, quote, I know you're going to stay so I don't want to hear it. Sis, if you're not going to do anything about it, don't bring it to us. And girl, no more videos from you until you're referring to him as an ex. Now, this is obviously just a butter dish, but there are a lot of similar videos. One woman posted her husband trying to smash her Tom Ford perfume in the sink

and breaking the sink by accident. But instead of finding this funny, her comments were filled with people saying she should leave him and that he has anger issues. She responded to say, stop projecting, we're very happy, leave us alone. In another video, a woman videoed her husband stomping around having a tantrum because she hadn't done his laundry properly. And again, after it blew up and people said she should leave, she posted a video saying, no, we're happily married, this is just a joke. In another more recent video, a woman vented about how she'd asked her partner to take out some black beans and soak them so she could cook with them later. And when she came home,

she found the still sealed bag of black beans just plonked in the tub of water. And again, she defended him when the video blew up and the comments were just over it. I'm fascinated by these videos and these responses and I think it shows that it has been a shift in how this content gets received. I think we've all grown tired of displays of what looks like men being petulant, lazy or casually cruel to their female partners, especially when their female partners refuse to see it. We're in a post, our boyfriend's embarrassing world, and worry for it. Is this something that you guys have seen? And if so, is this a good thing? Are we calling out bad behavior wherever we see it or are we overreacting to these tiny and out of

context glimpses into strangers relationships? I hadn't seen this and I thought it's so interesting that you shared this and these examples because I mean I feel like there's a lot going on. I think it's completely understandable that people are exhausted by these displays and then they're having to like pretend that it's completely fine when you've seen something that looks really bad or just like a sign of a really crap relationship or a really shit partner. I think the thing I find really interesting in the particular bit I don't know what I think about is people saying don't bring this to me because they're not exactly bringing it to you. They're putting it on the internet and the for you page has directed it to you. So it's almost this anger placed at the person. It's almost like why are you being

so attention seeking by displaying this and making me have to deal with it? And it's an interesting perception of the dynamic of putting a video out there that somebody's having to deal with it by consuming it and taking on the emotional burden of responding to it and dealing with this perceived problem. I just find that so fascinating that now people are thinking of watching a video as their emotional labour because they're consuming somebody else's like snippet of their life. I think that seems quite wild. I don't think that's necessarily fair. You can scroll past. You don't have to comment. You don't have to take on what you've seen. It feels like that's what's going on with those replies. I don't think I agree with that. What do you think Anoni?

That is such a good point. And I think this logically about content all the time. I often think it's so funny when people get annoyed about stuff because it's like you're the one sitting there watching it. But with this, I hadn't necessarily put those two things together. What I guess I think is there's a really easy trap to fall into because it's so well trodden, which is women bemoaning their partners and creating a kinship with fellow women that kind of pits men and women as two separate entities, two separate categories. men are hapless, helpless, helpless around the house, but they're providers and, oh, they don't know how to do anything, they weaponise their incompetence. Women are able to do it all and how does she do it all? And they have this superpower of been able to do everything else. And I actually

think as much as those are true dynamics that exist, sometimes when we feed that into the internet, or even in private with our friends, it only exacerbates it and cements it as being more true. And I think because there's like a comedy element to it, like humor is funny when it's true. People are finding it funny because they relate to it. I think it also then kind of gives leeway or makes it as people as pointing out in the comments. It's like, well, you're accept, you're not really doing anything. You're just kind of living with it. Like, this is something that you don't want to put up with then a change needs to be made. And it can be seen as a bit harsh, but I do also think trends on social media can really leak into how you live your

reality. There is no escaping that this divide between men and women is growing ever stronger and it is dangerous. And we spoke about this in Wednesday's episode on Dari of the CEO where you have men talking about the way that women are responsible for how men feel and for giving them children, all that kind of stuff, and how women are lamenting, like, how bad men are. And I'm not saying that we should be as women, the ones making men better. But I don't think that labeling the status quo as a joke, farming it for engagement, does anything useful, not that every piece of content has to be like a feminist piece of content. But I do think we need to move beyond this kind of content, because in some ways I do think it can be slightly harmful because it's just us kind of accepting

this role that men, it's not like they're biologically determined to be useless or not to care about us or not to listen to us. It is in some way something that we accept, or is that too harsh on the women? I don't think so. It's a very real cultural thing. It's like through every generation we see this and it alters generation to generation as women sort of break their shackles, but it's very, very common. And I think for a lot of women who've been in that dynamic where basically man useless or a little bit cruel or a little bit emotionally ill-formed, like the women does suffer and it can be the slight suffering day to day. She can be very content and very happy. And then it goes all the way to a genuinely abusive dynamic. So I think that's maybe why people, especially

women, are a bit prickly about this content that ends with a woman defending a man. Because when you defend those behaviours in your partner, unfortunately on a platform like that, you are defending them in society and at large. And I really understand why these commenters are feeling this fatigue. Personally, at the moment, like I won't comment. I'm just, if I see something like that, I'm hitting, I'm not interested. I don't, like, just don't populate my few page with this, because I know that it is the same formula every time she posed something, you go, oh, God, I've been there. Or, oh, my God, I would rather be alone forever, happily so, than spend a day with a partner like this, but it's your prerogative to stay. I just don't want to see it because it's depressing. I can see why people

are commenting because these things do shift. They kind of, they do change things in the same way that post Shanté's brilliant, a boyfriend, embarrassing piece. People were reckoning in their own content and in the comments being like, oh, this is what she meant. Other women were reading it. It was spreading like wildfire. I think it can change things and give a new perspective. But I would much rather just turn it off. By the way, this has been like big front page news for a lot of TikTok, but I recognize if you're not on TikTok, this is probably not on there. But I saw someone on TikTok make a response and be like, what's happening here? Is cultural? A lot of women in their private lives have these dynamics with their female friends and their female relatives where they will go,

oh, guess what crazy nonsense, really annoying thing my husband did? They'll go, oh, aren't men like that, how funny, life will move on. They'll never be a suggestion of, oh, is this working for you? Should you leave him? Does he need to change? Is this good enough for you? It is very much men be crazy, you know, women be exhausted. That is how marriage works. And I think this shows that when they break containment into the big broad church of the internet where everyone can be a member, you see how different is for people. Like if, for example, the perfume smashing one, if one of my friends posted this on social media, like there would be an intervention, there would be, this is not okay. I do not like your partner now. There would be no hint of like, oh, he was only

playing, wasn't he? Like, people are misunderstanding it. And I think it just speaks to this big cultural divide within many different groups of women where sometimes it's actually okay to have a blustering fool or even like a casually cruel partner because he's right in other ways versus people are like, no, that is intolerable and you should leave him. And it's just, when those things meet, arguments will start. I think that's such a good point. And it's so interesting here, your perspectives on it, but especially the thing about those conversations and the danger of fitting into the trope of multitasking, amazing woman, holding down the fort, useless, hapless man. And I definitely do think there is a difference between how normal that is to have those

kind of conversations with your female friends and how casual it is versus the response and the anger and the vitriol, understandably online when you post that as content. And I want to do you think it is rage baity these videos? Do you think that people understand behind them that it is going to get quite an inflamed response? Or do you think they think it's quite cute because it's like, oh, we're fitting into, you know, the trend that everyone knows. They think they might get a few comments from women being like, oh, God, isn't it useless? Like, ha ha, he he, X, X. Because to me, I feel like TikTok is so primed for rage bait. This feels like deliberate rage bait content, but I don't know if I'm being quite cynical. I'm very cynical these days.

I actually don't think this particular genre is rage bait. I think it's more that we as women have been primed to have quite low expectations, which is like a massive tenet of the conversation about heteropacism where we've gone, wait, actually, this isn't good enough. And I saw a tweet yesterday that was like, someone said, it's just not that deep bro. And someone quote you today and goes, actually, often it is deep. You just don't want it to be. And I think this is maybe what's happening with people are like, oh, it was just a silly thing. But it's like, actually, if we dig into a lot of these, invert comma, silly things that we've just always seen as the status quo. It's like anything, it's if you're challenged on an ideology and you're made to realize that that isn't actually a fixed law that's designed by nature or the gods or whatever, it is actually everything is movable and changeable and within your power to control, then that can feel like a bit of whiplash. And I think it's so interesting to have these converging conversations because you do have the right, the treadwife, the women who want to be subservient to men. And then the army of boyfriends are embarrassing. Singleness is inherently good for you, backed up by, you know, some kind of statistics and data. And then the internet is a melting pot

of really extreme opposing ideology. And so obviously, even when something feels to someone, like, well, this is just how it is. It's not often. But to go back to this, I do just think in a world where we're saying boyfriends are embarrassing that singleness is good, having women bemoan their husbands probably does feel a bit like, okay, well, there are other options. And there are other options as long as they're not in like a financially or like an abusive relationship where you literally can't leave. And I think we are, and I said this to you right at the beginning of the year, I think we are maybe entering into kind of like a no nonsense year. Like I think people are getting a bit fed up or I am certainly and I hope this is true. But we do live in a monoculture and I am

bored of trends and I actually would find it much more interesting for someone to for the first time ever say something that was slightly different from the status quo. If anyone wants more examples of this, there is an account on TikTok called it's basically goes by. the singles list. I think the account is called the original singles list. And it is these videos stitched and someone just adds to the list of reasons why they are very happy to remain single. So if you want more content like this, I'm not sure why you would of bad partners. The original single list on TikTok is the place to go. Thank you so much for listening this week. And if you're looking for more EIC content, make sure

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