Everything Is Content - Porn - A Deep Dive (Part One)

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Happy Valentines Day - as a special treat, we've got a double deep dive for you - Everything Is Content, and some things, are Adult Content.This week on the podcast we’re delving into the world of OnlyFans and digital sex work for part one of our two-part Porn series. In this instalment we are going to be talking about sexy subscription services, the Lily Phillips documentary and Bonnie Blue’s banned OnlyFans video.So possibly more than anything else in the history of the pod, we have been asked by you at home, to talk about OnlyFans- the London based subscription service for content creators that has seen global success and cultural notoriety since it was founded 9 years ago, becoming especially popular with adult performers and sex workers producing pornography and selling other digital sexual services.We discuss a Substack by the very popular writer, creator, PHD candidate, and podcaster Maalvika Bhat, titled “What OnlyFans Billions reveal about the market value of male desire”, and ask, do we think some men might resent the freedom that OnlyFans allows women in terms of monetising sexuality? Why do women get so much of the “blame” for OF’s popularity when it’s men who are the biggest customer base? Can a site like OF alter desire on a broad scale? Are we maybe even seeing this happen?We then go on to discuss 23 year old Lily Phillips and her documentary with Josh Pieters, as well as another key figure in this conversation, Bonnie Blue, a 25-year-old sex worker and content creator who became even more famous for claiming to have slept with 1,057 men in 12 hours. Tune in next week for part-two, where we will be looking at the consumers of porn, the dangerous misuse of it, and whether or not it can ever, truly, be ethical.In Production Partnership with Cue PodcastsWhat OnlyFans billions reveal about the market value of male desire:https://maalvika.substack.com/p/what-onlyfans-billions-reveal-abouthttps://magdalene.substack.com/p/the-tech-oligarchy-is-stealing-yourLily Philips documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFySAh0g-MI&ab_channel=JoshPietershttps://www.joe.co.uk/news/bonnie-blues-1000-men-stunt-video-banned-from-onlyfans-474458https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/opinion/ashley-james-bonnie-blue/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth I'm Richera and I'm Anoni and this is Everything Is Content the podcast for pop culture analysis deep dives on hot topics and discourse heavy debates whether it's TV, film, celebrity

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the Lily Phillips documentary and Bonnie Blue's banned OnlyFans video. Follow us on Instagram at everythingiscontentpod. And if you haven't already, make sure you hit follow on the show on your podcast player so you always know when there's a new episode. So I would say possibly more than anything else in the history of the pod we have been asked by you listening at home to talk about only fans which is a london-based subscription service for content creators that has seen global success and cultural notoriety since it was founded nine years ago becoming especially popular with adult performers and sex workers producing pornography and selling other digital sexual services.

And I think it's fair to say that despite being founded in 2016, the site really came into its own during the first year of the pandemic, 2020, with its popularity with both creators and subscribers surging as COVID-19 locked down the world, disrupted workplaces, and created, I think, the perfect storm of people at home looking for both lucrative side hustles and ways of feeling connected and being distracted from all the bad news. Reports show that between March and April of 2020 OnlyFans experienced a 75% spike in registrations from new users and creators and according to the founder and the CEO at the time, Tim Stokely, around 200,000 new users and 6,000 to 8,000 new creators were joining every single day. By the end of 2020, the site had 85 million users and more than a million creators. By March 2021, users were around

120 million. And though the platform doesn't release official numbers, the current figure seems to stand at around 305 million users and 4.1 million creators. The site has also had its fair share of controversies. In 2021, the BBC reported that OnlyFans were failing, and I quote, to prevent underage users from selling and appearing in explicit videos. That same year, the Department of Justice in the US was pressured to investigate OnlyFans for child exploitation. There have been security breaches, hacked content, creators having their accounts deleted without warning, not being able to withdraw their own money. The list goes on. And it's also been the focus of moral discussions about whether young women especially are being encouraged and coerced by a very slim chance of huge profit

to sell explicit material for really low prices, whether we're overloading our society with porn at the expense of healthy sexual expectations, and whether relationships are suffering because of some men's growing attachment to the creators that they subscribe to. And so for this discussion, I am bringing a fascinating piece that explores all of this and more. And this is a piece I found on Substack. It's by the very popular writer, creator, PhD candidate and podcaster Malvika Bhatt and is titled, What Only Fans Billions Reveal About the Market Value of Male Desire with a subheading, The Economics of Manufactured Intimacy and Attention and attention as currency and she writes

searingly in it about male desire being shaped and harnessed by only fans about how it runs on and this is what she calls it personalized and manufactured intimacy and about how male anger at the existence of only fans is caused not primarily by moral outrage but actually by modern men realizing that they are no longer a necessary component of monetised female sexuality. Like I said, searing stuff. Did you both get a chance to read this? And if so, what did you think about it? And what, if anything, did you take away? I thought it was such an interesting piece. And I thought it really touched on some incredible points as you said digitized intimacy and this idea that people are realizing they're not particularly unique and they can be fit into

a trend they can be fit into these mass numbers they are just one of many who are finding comfort and solace in parasocial relationships via these apps and And at the end of it, no actual sex or physical connection is coming at the end of it. It's so the opposite of connection and intimacy really, but everyone's still paying money. Everyone's still signing up. Everyone's still a part of this and they're not unique for it. One of my favorite lines of the piece was the bit when she says, it's a masterclass in what could be called inverted pursuit, the art of making someone feel like a hunter when they're actually being harvested. And I think that's what I find the most fascinating thing about this whole piece is on the one hand, men are really getting kicks out of the fact that they are somehow

degrading these women or they're getting access to them, but then the women are profiting off that sort of perceived degradation. And I think that that is such a clever, because the whole thing is really sort of like a cognitive dissonance on both sides. In some ways, no one is really winning. I know that the women can be making lots of money, but there was an amazing documentary in 2020 on BBC called Nudes for Sale which was by Ellie Flynn where she meets a varied number of OnlyFans creators and some of them are making absolutely tons of money but what she uncovers is that actually the majority of these young women are making very little sometimes like 100 pounds a month and at the point when they realize that

maybe this isn't sustainable there is already this content of them online and you can't necessarily take that back. I know that we're going to be talking maybe more about the people that are making loads of money, but I just wanted to talk about as well, the uptick in that and the problematic nature of, we see all of these massive headlines about these women that are making loads of money. I got so many videos on my explore feed of girls being like 200,000 men bought me this house from subscribing to my OnlyFans. And actually, that is really only the top 1% of creators. The amount of creators on the platform is wild. And I think it's just important to remember that a lot of people actually aren't making any money, but the pieces angle on the way that it's changing men's perspective and actually pissing

them off I thought was fascinating. She crunches the numbers in a way like kind of comparing it to other industries and comparing it to just like the billions of pounds available it is huge it's enormous it feels like it must be such a disruptive force in the kind of economic climate over the last five years especially and it is always worth saying OnlyFans does generate pocket change for most of its creators and maybe that is because most of the users do give up early on only do it for pocket change and and that's skewing the data I mean I think for podcasts it's it's quite similar most podcasts never make more than two episodes and so that massively skews the data puts you know every podcast for three episodes in the top one percent or whatever

it is the big eye-watering sums of money that is the lottery that is the sliver of a sliver of percent that makes it possible to to do these lavish things and i think as long as there is an awareness of that for younger people that's all that this is a business model not designed to print money for nothing it's it's designed to reward savviness and self-promotion and people willing to be really public in their self-promotion. As we'll talk about the big creators, their family knows they could go on the news. You have to be willing to do that. Also to ensure people stepping on your boundaries, people sexually harassing you, thinking that that's fine. That's what it is. And I think the rewards of it can you know sometimes not feel like they are worth it and

I just think it's just such a varied conversation isn't it because you can talk about it from an aspect of female agency you can talk about it from an aspect of the value of it and I think what I really liked about Malvika's piece is that she talks about it from the angle of male desire as currency as something that does actually trend upwards and downwards in value. And that we're at a point in history where actually it's not worth very much. And that seems to have tapped into something within the male ego of certain consumers that makes them furious. And they have to believe that they're taking a moral position, but actually they're just becoming aware, and this is her argument, becoming aware of their own obsolescence. And I

just, I've not seen that written about anywhere else no I hadn't either the thing I wanted to say just before we dive into that specifically is I think there's so much bad journalism done around OnlyFans by that I mean specifically tabloids I feel like around the point of OnlyFans really having its boom over the pandemic there were so many pieces getting trawled out in the shmaley shmail the fun all those kind of rags about I'm an OnlyFans creator and this is how much I bring home every month this is how much I make every year it's like such rage bait to a certain type of person specifically probably a male audience who feel

outraged that women are capitalizing on their sexuality and desire as the piece that we've spoken about has already said. But I think that just built up this idea that there's a real gold mine to be made on these platforms. And I don't believe for a second that as many people they've interviewed claiming to get millions per month or millions per year were actually the case. I think it was very easy for them to just do some very bad journalism and publish this constantly regularly just like rage baiting everyone into it and I think it inflated this idea of what this app can do for everyone and that lasting impression has meant that a lot of people can be naive to it I don't think they are now but I think the years following that that is a big reason for why people had an idea that

it is just super easy to become a content creator and to follow suit. And also, as you mentioned briefly, Beth, is that like, in order to have a following on OnlyFans, much like many things nowadays, you have to put yourself out there on public channels. Twitter, as we've spoken about multiple times now, is pretty much OnlyFans creators posting completely explicit content. One of the things that was supposed to be advantageous about being on OnlyFans is not only that you're getting direct consumer income, but also that it's behind a paywall and that you can't screenshot it and stuff. So there's a level of privacy, but that isn't actually true because in order to get people to subscribe to your OnlyFans, you have to be a

content creator in the traditional sense of having a following in order to garner an audience, as we spoke about with the Lily Allen feet pictures thing so actually these young girls are perhaps turning to it hearing these tabloid articles as you say Ruchira thinking they're going to make a massive buck posting these videos then being like oh shit well I'm already in this now and in order to make money I'm gonna have to out myself as someone that is one of these content creators I think that is one of the things that's really scary because obviously as an impressionable young woman I'm sure when I was at uni and really broke, if OnlyFans had been around, it would have crossed my mind or maybe I'll do a bikini picture and I post that on Instagram anyway. I England, that's incredibly prudish, has all these echoes of, you know, the sin-based religious children need to understand in a healthy way it shouldn't be something we're ashamed of doing like we grow up and instantly ashamed of masturbation we're ashamed of touching ourselves feeling turned on like all the arousal

because i feel like there's this latent feeling of disgust when actually if we're able to understand what we like without there being any shame attached to it i often think we wouldn't end up in odd circles where we're running and jumping and backflipping at the opportunity to have like connectionless sex. And his point around this, and it's a really interesting episode, you should listen to it, is just that men are kind of taught that their desire is everything. And the fact that men can get aroused so easily, he was saying he'd been in sexual situations where he wasn't even really enjoying it, but because the way that men's physiology works, his body would betray him and he would become aroused. Because of this empowerment of women on one side, the access to OnlyFans and this false

sense of connection, this ability to buy what feels deeper than porn, because it is interesting, men aren't as rabid consumers as women. We're much quicker to open our purse things than men. The fact that men are actually willing to pay for porn in some senses is great. It does kind of make it more ethical because you're not just watching porn where you don't know it's been sourced. There is that argument to it as well. You know, the creators are being paid for their work. The piece is so clever in tapping into this thing where it's like, actually, we should be feeling so sorry for these men that they are so desperate to seek out these really extreme sexual connections or feel like they're having this specific interaction with a woman and not really understanding how to create healthy, beautiful, doesn't matter if they're like long relationships with women. There are so many single

people at the minute. There are so many men who are scared of connection, of scared of commitment. There's statistics literally the other day in the Financial Times to say that young men are the biggest demographic spending the most time on their own. It's all kind of converging into this weird synthetic representation of connection and it's going to the extreme length of it being pornographic, but it speaks to a much bigger problem within society of the way that we teach children and adults about sex, about connection, about the importance of community. And that's why I thought this piece was particularly incredible because it was an angle that I've never really read it from before. There's a quote from the piece where she says, the platform weaponizes male ego against itself.

Every personalized message, every custom video, every just thinking about you notification is designed to hook into the male fantasy of being uniquely deserving of attention while simultaneously standardising that attention into a scalable product. And the more a man pays to feel especially chosen, the more he becomes just another interchangeable subscriber in a vast economy of automated desire. And I felt that was a very astute and a very sad observation. And it speaks, as you're saying, to how far away from one another we all are and how OnlyFans has simply slotted neatly into an existing gulf of human connection and affection of fulfilled desire and presence via what are often automated messages via you know a tried and true business model this is not there's really little humanity in some of these much bigger accounts and that does make me feel very sad for

the state of things. Not sad that sex sells, because that's a historical fact, it's a human fact. Not even that sexual services can provide solace and connection in dark and lonely times. That, I think, is fine, and I do think that is the kind of end point and perhaps even the nicer side of this work. But sad that things are obviously so bad that these things are happening on such a grand scale that it's so observable. It just doesn't make me feel great kind of vis-a-vis humanity do you know what I mean yeah completely something about this conversation is really making me think about fandom as well and how now to capitalize off anything creating a fandom creating a false sense of desire intimacy with people you don't know is

the way to do it and it is really interesting when you apply that to the role of desire and sex where it's like the one thing that is meant to be you know a direct relationship between two people suddenly becomes there are multiple people who can't see each other who are experiencing the same thing but feel like they're the only person in the room feeling that with you we see it with artists talking to their fans as if they know them we see it with influencers doing it to their fans all of that stuff feels different to this but it's also kind of the same this idea that everyone's kind of building this false sense of well I'm just talking to you and you alone and in a sense that's creating cash dollar signs on

the other side. I don't know, it's almost like the price tag of faux intimacy and faux friendship. And I guess in this sense, making people feel like they know you to keep them going, keep spending money on you. I listened to a really interesting podcast the other day, which was kind of about the history of of sexual relationships and dynamics and it was on history's greatest scandals and basically what they were talking about is they were talking about how there used to be a time when prostitution was so commonplace because women's desires were not like it was normal for a man to use a prostitute to have sexually fulfilling sex and then they would only really have sex with their wives to procreate. The thing that was so interesting that's making me

think about this is so often throughout history, women have spoken about and people have spoken about how so much of sexual intimacy for women is in the really small intimate moments prior to the act. It's in the conversation throughout the day. It's the kindness. It's the foreplay, which isn't even touching each other. It's just a sense of communion and safety. And that is often what will create a sense of arousal and desire within women. And yet we talk about male desire as if it's just sort of some like perfunctory action, like Jordan Stevens was saying, which is like, you get hardy fuck. I don't know how much, especially listening to Jordan, how much that is actually true of men as well. But what this does with OnlyFans is it allows men to have that thing of like,

there's no need to create this sense of intimacy, which men definitely do enjoy. And I think if they were allowed to lean into their feminine inverted commas, because it's not feminine, but their emotional sides, which are being even more cut off from them. I think we would find that desire is in those small spaces. It's in the conversations. It's in the safety of a relationship more than it is in this very harsh, pornified version of desire. And it's also making me think about we are seeing a rising industry in tech and in sort of this idea of perhaps sex robots and sex dolls,

where men once again are being able to cut out the actual physicality, reality and humanity of a woman and simply perform sex as if it exists outside of communionship. And I think OnlyFans and this specific sort of fake girlfriend, the fact that you're paying for it. We so often talk about it in terms of feminism and agency of women and the fact that people are finally being able to make money. And you know what, if we're doing this for free, you might as well make money from it. But I think there is a deeper, greater, more psychological problem in terms of how it's going to impact men and further alienate them from an ability to create longstanding, important emotional relationships, not only with women, but with each other. And that's a difficult place to

cut it, I think, because women, once again, are being held responsible for men's actions when they're just profiting off the system. But it's all, I think, so much more insidious and scary than we really necessarily think it because it's so shocking on the face value of it. It's really easy to just think about in the moment, the shock of it, but actually I think it's going to have much deeper ripple effects. And I think we're already seeing that and whether it's like the chicken or the egg, I don't know, but with Andrew Tate and all of that side of the red pill ideology, it all bleeds into each other. Yes. The tech side of it is so scary. There's a piece by Magdalene J. Taylor, who is incredible. She's actually cited in the essay from the segment that we're talking about, who often writes about tech, sex, sexuality,

and she's incredible. She wrote a piece at the beginning of this year called The Tech Oligarchy is Stealing Your Sexuality. And in it, she talks about how even, you know, a viral video of a car crash in the comments will have OnlyFans creators trying to lure you back onto their platforms and their sites. I think that kind of touches on the unsettling nature of what we're seeing with OnlyFans, with sexuality online, and all of that being kind of reduced to content and in the same way the media companies are trying their best to get eyeballs on their pieces this kind of incentivized nature to at any cost make people on any platform drive back to your only fans content means that it just feels so it doesn't even feel like sex anymore it just feels like I don't know it feels like clickbait content constantly.

And it feels like we're getting fed that on every platform. I fell down a rabbit hole years ago. It was so baffling to me. I was looking up yoga videos on YouTube, right? And I kept finding these like soft porn videos and I couldn't for the life of me work out what was going on until I realized somebody had written a piece about it. Probably was Magdalene, to be honest. to get people to go back to your site people are uploading soft porn

versions of things onto YouTube that were just about okay but you know maybe somebody would watch it not realize what it was and then think oh this is weird look up the person and then go back to their OnlyFans content and it kind of feels like the entire internet has been spammed with this stuff it doesn't feel like the entire internet has been spammed with this stuff. It doesn't feel like the internet of years ago. It feels like everything is a chance to kind of be confused over what's the purpose of it. Could this just be a creator trying to drive you back their site? I feel that all the time. Mine always happens the other way. I go looking for porn and then I'm forced to do exercise. I think you're completely on the money

though. OnlyFans has changed the landscape of the internet because there is such an abundance of creators. For them to make money, they have to go out into the digital world, cross the border, as it were, between the sexy part of the internet and the civilian side of the internet. Because the internal system of OnlyFans doesn't do a great job of laterally advertising creators to existing user base. OnlyFans doesn't do a great job of laterally advertising creators to existing user base. OnlyFans creators have to go outside of that. It means, I guess, as OnlyFans' site probably doesn't have to stump up as much money for advertising costs because, I mean, the tabloids are doing it for free and the creators are doing it for free. So basically the finance falls to the

women to go and finance their own PR stunts. And so of course they'll come to Instagram, to Reddit, the sort of normie sides of the internet, because they need to sell their wares. And there's a writer called Ayela, who is a kind of an interesting writer, blogger, sex worker, kind of often involved in some sort of saying something that people disagree with. But anyway, I think she's very, very insightful. And she wrote a piece on Substack called How OnlyFans Took Over the World. And she used CammingSite. She's been on OnlyFans, I think, much longer than anyone else that I've read. And she explains how it works. And she says, OnlyFans does not hand you any views by virtue of being on the platform if you want a man to pay you you have to go out there and find him you have to be the ad i cannot

overstate the degree to which this radically transformed the online landscape practically overnight an explosion of only fans ads went off in every corner of the internet as girls migrated en masse to throw their own naked photos in front of the faces of every man they could find and that's i think what's really interesting that it has changed the fabric of every man they could find. And that's, I think, what's really interesting, that it has changed the fabric of things, that perhaps it does alter things for a man, his view of sex, especially a young man, to see every other image be nude, every other text post have some sort of sexy hook, to be an advert, to be sold these as legitimate gateways into something sexy and exciting whereas actually what you're seeing is a flyer picking a flyer up off the ground and

then following it and thinking is it meant to be I mean the piece is excellent she talks a lot about how she used to work on my free cams which incidentally was run by the man who currently is the CEO of OnlyFans, and just radically different situations, radically different products, despite both being centered around naked women, sexual services, digital relationships between consumer and creator. Anyway, this piece is great. She talks about how OnlyFans has scaled up the model so effectively. And she writes, OnlyFans maintains the dynamic that made Camming so successful, direct live connection with a girl, but manages to make it feel

individualized. Instead of having to pay a lot of money to rank against other men, you can pay a little money and enter a pussy paradise with not a single other man in sight. It hooks itself to an existing desire, an existing fiction that men want and need to tell themselves that there is something special in this, that it's not just business, that it is for them, when more often than not, it's not. There was a really good bit in the Malvika sub stack, which said, OnlyFans has exposed the old infrastructure as unnecessary. You don't need a pimp's protection when you have two-factor authentication. You don't need a producer's distribution network when you have direct-to-consumer platforms. You don't need a brothel's protection when you have two-factor authentication. You don't need a producer's distribution network when you have direct-to-consumer platforms. You don't need a brothel security when you have digital boundaries and screen swap detection. All you need is a

smartphone and an internet connection. The platform has eliminated the middleman. But it's also revealed that the middleman never added value to begin with. And I remember reading that. I think it was really clever. But the more I'm having this conversation, I'm like, OnlyFans is not only the middleman, he is the wizard of Oz. He is absolutely creaming. So they are making so much money from these women. And whilst it feels like it's direct to consumer, ultimately, this is just a really fucking clever business by the creators of OnlyFans, where they are profiting off women's bodies. So even though she does have a point and that safety element is a really interesting and important one and the fact of it being digital, but then there is that lack of safety in what we've been talking about in the fact that they do have to put a flyer out, as you say. And when I go on my explore feed, when this first started happening, I was like, why is this happening so much? So many videos of girls in bikinis just standing there jiggling their boobs, maybe like three second reels. I'm getting so many of these and it's because they were all flyers, literally flyers to come and look at my OnlyFans and the problem is once you

open that can of worms I guess in a way which is different from camming in the old traditional sense where people perhaps could be on a cam someone might see you yes potentially someone that you knew would see you but it was like live and you know, you weren't posting it. You could maybe do that for a couple of months or a year and no one would necessarily know. Once you start on OnlyFans and once you start promoting online, it's very hard to put that back in the can. It's very hard to then scrub that from your record. And because it's so ubiquitous and because honestly, every platform I go on, I cannot explain to you how filled it is with porn or porn adjacent content to the point where if you click on one thing accidentally on X, you will just be inundated. Same with Instagram, Snapchat, all of them are the same. It makes you feel like, oh, this is normal now. Like, I guess I've just become so desensitized to it. But that's only because we sit in really like liberal circles where we talk about sex work constantly. We're kind of always having these conversations. I find it very fascinating. I find it a moral feminist quandary. But what does happen when those 19, 22, 25-year-old women do decide that maybe they want to go and work in an office?

Because it's flown so much and the women often are very young. And I do think that is to do with your risk aversion at a younger age. As I said, like at university, I'm sure that there would have been people that would have done OnlyFans. In my 30s, would I do it? No. I don't know how long we got to wait to see these creators go, oh my God, it didn't work out. And now I literally can't get a job. And who is safeguarding them from that? And what needs to change? It's so easily accessible to start an OnlyFans account. There's also been countless issues with girls actually being underage or under 18. They say you have to be over 18, but I think it's quite easy to bypass that. In that Nudes for Sale documentary, one of

the girls that Ellie meets was 17. I think she did get kicked off the platform. But it's such a tangled web. And I think it's really scary how normalised it's become, how much I'm desensitised to it, because there are going to be real world repercussions that exist outside of this echo chamber and what are general public thinking when they're on Instagram often think this like people's parents or grandparents are they seeing this content as much as we are do they even know what it is because it is I guess it's like a red light sign but it might not be that obvious to everyone. Speaking of content creators i'm lily phillips and today i'm getting ran through by 100 guys is how the only fans creator opens her youtube documentary with josh peters which has almost 10 million views and there is also an unfiltered version available on patreon for 3 pounds 50

lily phillips is currently 23 years old. She dropped out of uni to become a full-time adult content creator and on TikTok she revealed that at just 19 she had a labiaplasty and that was what she'd spent her first OnlyFans paycheck on because she didn't like the look of her vagina in comparison to what she'd seen online and what she'd seen in porn. My vagina wasn't the norm, she said. After bedding 100 men,

her next plan was to sleep with 1,000 men as her next challenge, but has reportedly dropped this after Bonnie Blue, who we'll come on to in a minute, has claimed to have beaten her to do it earlier this year. And those two have actually appeared in content together in the past. When you search Lily Phillips, she's done countless interviews, had countless articles written about her, but the thing that really captured the public was the documentary that I mentioned at the top, where she had sex with 100 men in one day although interestingly she isn't the first to do this I didn't know about these kind of world records but Lisa Sparks broke the world record in 2004 when she reportedly had sex

with 919 men at an event in Poland because there are actually world gangbang championships did you guys know that no that is news to me at one point during the documentary josh asked lily have you done anything to make sure there's not someone with a criminal record for example to which she admits we actually have not no and she explained that the men simply messaged her and then they turned up and in the documentary at the end she ends up sleeping with an extra man because she felt bad and didn't want anyone to feel left out. Lily also revealed in the documentary that she was unaware of the fact that HIV could be transmitted sexually but she is now taking PrEP which is obviously one of the most incredible medications that helps to reduce the risk of contracting

HIV and although she proclaims to love her work and thoroughly enjoys it as someone who just loves sex she does seem visibly distressed in the behind the scenes footage afterwards and Lily describes the experience as intense saying it's not for everyone although she has since come out and said that she did really enjoy the experience. I'd certainly say it was an intense and quite uncomfortable watch so I wanted to know what did you both make of it after watching? I completely agree I just cannot believe having watched that that she enjoyed that the sense to which there was almost like a people-pleasing element to how she felt about the people lining up it really upsets me because it doesn't feel like she is in control of the situation it would be one thing if she got to the 99th person and then just turned the 100th away

because she'd already beaten the record and just said you know what I don't give a damn I don't I don't care but the fact that she took on an extra guy the fact that she was visibly distressed and upset but it also feels like a level of naivety with her the fact that she wasn't vetting these men the fact that she was surprised about HIV and how it could be contracted and that she could have gone on prep it feels sad it feels upsetting it also feels like she isn't savvy in the way that you could and should be if you're going to do this to be fair to her just in the ending she she's tired I mean she looks upset one because she's got very red eyes because as she says they were full of calm that was very it's an irritant um but she does cry and she does you

know express a lot of exhaustion physical exhaustion which she's been doing something I mean it's a very physical thing but doing anything for the hours that she does it I think they start mid-morning and they finish towards the end of that evening it's a very very long time to do anything there is perhaps nothing on earth that you could do for that long and wouldn't get the end and be like I am spent I am actually like overwhelmed at doing this. I haven't had time to do anything. I mean, even just doing a shift for that long. I used to leave marks and expenses and fucking floods of tears. I was tired. I think we have to be fair to her and take her at least to some degree at her own word that she was glad she did it, but that her disappointment came from thinking she didn't do as good a job as she could

have and that she'd let her fans down. That's one thing. And I do also find it really interesting that you say that you do struggle to believe that she would enjoy that because the documentary makers just like flat out says, I don't believe you. When she says, this is my fantasy. I listened to a podcast and she talks about a gangbang that she had, I think with Bonnie. She says, I felt like I found my calling. It sounds so stupid, but I was like, I found my passion. This is what I'm here for. This is why God put me on this earth. And you can, of course, think of that as marketing, as like a really savvy bit of saying like, I'm sex mad, subscribe and see. But she's saying she adores it. She's saying like she feels divinely called to do this. Even if it does serve her

bottom line, that could be true. And I think, what does it say that we struggle to believe that someone could love this, could love engaging in an extreme sexual act, could enjoy being filmed having sex, could enjoy group sex and endurance stunts, which I think is what this is. It's an endurance stunt. It's pushing a body to the limit. And I think she could love it. And I just found it it very closed questioning not at all curious by the interviewer to just say I don't believe you I think he could have said you know why does this fantasy appeal to you or do you worry that it might not live up to your ideals and your ideas which I think is what we see you know do other women have this fantasy what's your insight instead he just closes the conversation with his

own refusal to believe a woman could crave hours of sex whereas if a man had said I have a fantasy not necessarily something I'm going to do not necessarily something he thinks would be fun but I have a fantasy of a hundred women coming in one after another to have sex with me nobody would struggle to disbelieve that whereas a woman says that and it's no absolutely not you can't that's not what you want so I'm going to push back on you I do get what you're saying but the reason why I think she didn't enjoy it is because she looks upset it's it's not even the fact that a woman couldn't enjoy an act like that I definitely think I get maybe that the interviewer had a

closed questioning style I definitely agree he could have opened that up it kind of felt like a bit of a surface level documentary it didn't really go into her background it didn't really go into what exactly is going on you know with her sexuality in the sense that like what like what is your fantasy exactly I would love to have dived into that but I do think she just looks so upset and she just looked like exhausted and And I don't know, I just compared to Bonnie Blue and we'll go on to her. I feel like there is a distinction between the two of them. And the impressions that I'm getting from having watched the documentary is a difference in terms of what both of them are getting out of these stunts. So what you brought up, Beth, was a massive debate on Twitter after everyone had watched the documentary because people were saying exactly that look she said this believe her we have to

give women agency we have to believe that women are sexual creatures and sexual beings and I agree and I don't disbelieve that people can be overtly sexual and have a really high sex drive and genuinely really enjoy pleasure in all the forms that it can take. I think I verge towards, even though I dislike disagreeing with someone's literal genuine statement, I verge towards agreeing more with Ruchira because there are points in the documentary where she's like, I can't even really remember from this point. It sounds like she's dissociating. And in order to have sex with a hundred men who you've never seen before, who you have no idea if you have sexual attraction to, it's a very different thing. Fantasy is fantasy for a reason. And I think if you said, oh my God,

I'd love for like a hundred men to come and have sex with me. Like you're imagining in that fantasy that these are all like Adonis's gorgeous men who are going to treat you like a queen. And like, you have no idea if these men have had a shower that day. You don't know if they've got violent tendencies. You don't know if you're attracted to them. You don't know what age they are. They could even be someone that you know. The idea of her having some sort of fantasy around it, I can't completely stand by and understand. I think in practice, and this is what I believe, she looked quite shell-shocked. I believe that she is a really sexual being, but I do also think that it happened. She speaks of feeling dissociative. She also speaks around this guilt of,

she really sees it like a job, which I think completely subtracts the sexual energy from it because she's saying like I feel really bad like I they thought they were gonna get along with me some of them complaining these men are queuing up to literally stick their penis in this woman for a minute and then pull it out I just don't believe that anyone can stay naturally that lubricated for that long as much as this might be her fantasy I just cannot work out in practice how a vagina can withstand that for that long as much as this might be her fantasy I just cannot work out in practice how a vagina can withstand that for that amount of time how your body would not be completely ravaged how your nervous system would not feel because it's a stranger penetrating you that you've literally just met I don't know how you wouldn't feel some sort of violation and this is what everyone talks

about with kink and fantasy and desire it's like you can have the most outlandish wants and desires that sound completely insane and completely depraved and you can exercise them within a really controlled environment where there is complete safety and whatever else so never to kink shame never to disparage anyone else's sexual wants and needs and desires but i think that what this documentary showed which i feel agree with both of you again it could have been more fully fleshed out was that she got into this thing she's told herself this narrative the narrative might be true but I think the practice probably wasn't what she was expecting but she said it now she seems like a very sweet girl who genuinely cares about other people's feelings I feel like she's gone down this rabbit hole and feels like she can't necessarily take it back and I think a lot of the fascination around

her comes from the fact that she looks like a girl next door she's very conventionally attractive she seems like she's coming from quite like a happy family and I think that all adds into the kind of sadistic nature of wanting to ruin someone because she does appear quite virginal and and young and attractive in that sense. I wonder then what it would take for, and I definitely did struggle at the end to believe she felt wholly positive about it, but I wonder what it would take for us to believe that a woman was into it because she's since come out and said, and now guess what I'm going to do? A thousand men. I mean, that escalation, whether we want to label that, well, that must be a manifestation of some sort of inner pain and whatever else. But that's conjecture.

We can just go on what she's saying, what she's doing. It does worry me for so, so many reasons, but I just think she's a sex worker. And so her work is sex. This is an act of labor at the same time as being muddled up in her own body because it's a very physical job. And I read a really excellent piece actually about the history of extreme stunts and acts in the adult industry. The piece is by Jenny Valentich. And in it, she opens it talking about Annabelle Chong, who is the porn star who, I think in the mid-90s, set a world record by having sex with 251 men in 10 hours. That was recorded. It was also sold as a three or four hour film, which was a real big seller. It was also made into a documentary called Sex, the Annabelle Chong describes it and talks about it. She talks about it very much as performance art, very much as physical endurance sport versus, I think it's kind of a good natured ditzyness that Lily has and Bonnie has something else, maybe like more of a hard faced baiting. But anyway, it's just framed as feminist, it's framed as performance. And it's a really interesting interview actually between Jenny and Annababelle and jenny says this she says annabelle explained to me that she was

exploring the idea of the female as stud as a former gender study student at the university of southern california she was interested in the mythology around the roman empress messalina who popular and probably politically malicious rumor had it enthusiastically bedded half of rome but it felt to me as though Annabelle was retrofitting her film with this motivation. In other interviews, she had mused that her 251-man feat was more like a team sport, and team sports were part of the fabric of American society. Her gangbang was thus about communal bonding, spectacle and statistics, not about sex. And it's just a very interesting way to frame it and something Lily said in another interview with

Reality Check that's a podcast she said it's like a boxing match I think I'll get sore towards the end but I think I've got the right determination just to be able to push on and it's very interesting framing don't know how far I agree with that that you can conflate the two that you can conflate this with boxing or another extreme sport or kind of climbing a dangerous mountain or running 100 ultra marathons in a row sex is not running being penetrated is not being hit by a boxing glove but i think there is an argument to be made about the extreme nature of this that that does actually make sense within the weirdness of a human psyche that a body is a thing that can be pushed to a limit a thing that you like and do can be done in a way that is almost harmful but just toes that

line and I think it maybe comes from a place of adrenaline junkieism and kind of lovers of extremity versus someone just trying to destroy themselves which is what other people are saying this is pure self-harm I don't know if I agree with that see when you frame it like that and had she framed it like that I would feel much less nervous around it. I think, and again, you're right. Like, I don't know what she's, what parts of what she says are true, what is advertising. I think what scares me, and perhaps this is me projecting like almost maternal view on it, is this idea of her believing that because she is sexually liberated and she talks about

how she was a complete slut at uni and she blah blah blah and she went through the sexual awakening and all these other girls are doing and she thought I might as well get paid for it I think it's one thing to recognize yourself as a sexual being maybe even a hypersexual being and then to do and act like this and I think had she given it and maybe again this is me being a bit snobby around this sort of like me asking whether or not she understood what she was doing which again is really complicated and it's not my place to say but I think it's like those two things just I can't marry in my head this idea that she's really sexual and that therefore she would enjoy

this as a sexual act and also the fact that she was worrying about people's feelings it was like she wasn't saying it was for the money she wasn't saying it was for adrenaline her angle throughout the thing was I love sex and I want to give all these men pleasure. I'll eat my hat, but I just don't know if that's the right motivation to be going into it, whether it obviously is about money, but because she didn't say that, and we'll come on to Bonnie Blue in a minute, who is much more gung-ho, much more of a businesswoman. God, does she rub me out the wrong way, but I do not feel as concerned about her wellbeing and safety as I do with Lily Phillips, which again, could be my own unconscious bias around a woman that looks and speaks and I perceive to be like someone like Lily. I think also the documentary would have been edited. It is obviously a very

poignant point that she's distressed at the end. We haven't had that same kind of reflection in Bonnie Blue so all of these things are definitely playing a part and characterizing her as more naive more like a character that I want to protect from this situation doesn't feel like she understands everything in the way that she should I think what she did say about not being on prep was concerning and not vetting the men I think that does add to this level of which I feel like she's not bolstered in the same way she's not bulletproof in the same way and also it feels like there was an energy exchange for her I don't think sex has to be an energy exchange for everyone I think it can be for a lot of people but with her at the end it felt like there was an exchange and

it felt like she was depleted emotionally and I think that's the thing that made it feel as if it wasn't a hike up Mount Everest. It wasn't an endurance test. It felt like she was putting emotion into it. And it felt like she was depleted by the end, not even physically, definitely physically, but also just there was something that was lost in the process for her because she'd given herself and her energy and her desire to please people to so many people. And just even from a point of view of

people pleasing and myself, I feel like that worry for multiple people is exhausting. It's draining. It stays with you for days. I don't know if she felt like that. She said she didn't. I can't project that onto her, but it just feels like there's all of these elements tied into her experience that make it more complex than a marathon for example even the men some of the men that capture are really shaken up i agree about that energy exchange thing like i think that it's probably adrenaline that gets you into the room and then it's like post nut clarity where afters you're kind of like what have i like watching a weird porn video and closing your laptop being like what the hell did i just do and that's very much what it felt like and i do think

it is this convergence of some things sit safely in fantasy. And when you bring them into reality, they're actually just much more complicated. I think the people pleasing is a really good point because she is 23 years old. And to be a 23-year-old woman, you are ruled by the gods of pleasing other people. It's only aging, I think, that learns you out of that. And I felt very sad every time I remembered her youth because no matter, you know, her job has overtaken her life. She's engaged in these really extreme stunts even if she was like a young athlete or just anyone that has to hit the ground running in their sport anyone that has to

give up time anyone that has to work late hours anyone that has to do be doing this instead of what I think of as a youth well spent which is being out in the world figuring it out exploring what she was doing she's got this team around her that rely on her to continue to make money. She is putting her body in extreme states, which will always worry me, no matter what the context. She's doing these late nights, this kind of relentless hours, ending up in that exhausted state. And her team, by the way, looked fucking useless. I think they came out of this looking like absolute prats. They weren't even sure if they were going to have security. They seemed at the end of the day to be communicating on her behalf saying, yeah, bring your friends, bring another one. I don't know whether that was

communicated to her or whether people were just turning up coming in. They hadn't been across the STI panels. They hadn't been across criminal record checks. They hadn't made sure that she was well aware. HIV can be transmitted via condomless oral sex i think they looked fucking stupid and i think that concerns for safety her safety are not out of pocket or um kind of maternalistic or paternalistic i think it's only smart to be like are you really like properly cradled in this team that's what i thought in terms of it being like a set like an enjoyable sexual experience i cannot understand on either side how that would be enjoyable. No time to build desire, no time to get or stay hard. I mean, she says a lot of them were not able to stay hard,

like a very hurried sexual encounter. Perhaps what she gets out of this, I guess, is of course, it's content. It is the physical evidence of the labours of her work. But for the men, I really like genuine question. What are they getting out of it? The two men or the three men that he interviews afterwards, I think they're all like I'm glad I came one of them spent about eight pounds and flew in the other one is shaking like a leaf terrified to be found out but they both are like on balance I'm glad I did it I don't understand that like what men get out of this at all so in that Jordan Stevens conversation that I mentioned earlier he says men have been socialized into a society where women offering themselves up to them is never an option. For a woman to step up and go, do you want to have sex with me? Like wild. So much so

it's like our libidos were so led by this. If we don't take this opportunity, we'll never have sex again. Will I ever have this opportunity to have sex with a woman who's hot? He's like, we're not really talking about sex. I feel like we're fucking talking about loneliness. This is how estranged I think people feel from each other. I think that is it. I think it's like, because of like Madonna and the whore, because of women not necessarily always being able to express their sexual freedoms or even being shamed and slut shaming, that sex then becomes behind this door and men assume that, I don't know, it's just a complete breakdown of communication between genders about what sex is about. And so they're jumping at this opportunity. And I do

think the rise of incel culture is a problem as well. Men becoming fearful that women no longer value them, that they will no longer have access to sex. So when you see something that's literally like, oh my God, free sex with a hot woman, I'm going up it's just I just think it's so symptomatic of of the culture that we're living through so we've mentioned Miss Bonnie Blue before but another key figure in this conversation is she of course a 25 year old sex worker and content creator who became even more famous for claiming to have slept with 1057 men in 12 hours after her 100 men in a day stunt lily phillips went on to say she'd do a thousand

as already said but bonnie beat her to the punch the other kind of huge controversy around bonnie blue i would say is that she's known for courting controversy across the board she films explicit content with teenagers which she refers to as barely legal and posts the footage online she also says that she loves to sleep with virgins and claims to be educating them on sex bonnie blue in my mind is a bit of a troll she just this week said that she'd love to sleep with travis kelsey for example taylor swift's boyfriend clearly antagonizing swifties and she just defended bianca sensori's's Grammy dress and said women are quote lazy if they don't give their husbands good sex. Commentator Ashley James wrote for Grazia

and she said that Bonnie Blue has become a sort of poster girl for incel culture by reinforcing a patriarchal standard and expectation that guys need lots of sex and if women don't please them it's within a man's right to look elsewhere. We've said this a bit, but compared to Lily, there's definitely a different tone shift in Bonnie. Even her response to Lily's doc says a lot. Quote, Seeing someone cry after content is not nice and not everyone is cut out for these circumstances. So I really wish her all the best. I'm not saying this is for everybody, nor is everybody hot enough to even do what I do.

But this is something I thoroughly enjoy and I'm going to continue doing. Ironically after her video where she'd allegedly slept with a thousand plus men it was taken down by OnlyFans after it was determined that it didn't adhere to the company's policies. We kind of touched on this in the last segment but people like ex-Love Islander Olivia Atwood and comedian Catherine Bryan rather than focusing on figures like Lily Phillips and Bonnie Blue, have called out the men who line up for these stunts rather than the women themselves. What do you guys think? I think the thing with Bonnie Blue that's so interesting is, as you said, she's a complete antagonist. And where my thing with Lily Phillips comes from a complete maternal, perhaps projecting fear for her, her safety, her wellbeing, her naivety, her youth.

My feeling towards Bonnie Blue is that actually she is a cannonball creating a wildfire of really ideologically damaging and worrying rhetoric for her own gain. I haven't even begun to consider whether or not Bonnie Blue is sound of mind in what she does. I've never really worried about her safety because she's so bold, she's so confident. So cocksure, again, that's perhaps problematic too, but I've never felt like she's exploited because it's one thing for one woman to make a decision about her body. But what she is doing is just rewinding so much work that we've done around the importance of a woman within society and within a relationship. She constantly does these videos like, if your wife won't sleep with you, come and sleep with

me. She's lazy. If she doesn't have time. And yes, it's clickbait. And yes, it's to sell her videos. But that level of brazenness, she just doesn't give a fuck. And I wish that it wasn't so influential, but it quite clearly is. And she says everything with a smirk on her face. You don't even know if she believes it. But the thing for me that's so interesting about her is even if she wasn't doing the porn, if she was just like a massive influencer spouting these views, like Candice Owens, for example, I would entirely despise her. So it's like, I don't even really think about her sex work. I just think about the videos that she puts out on social media, the interviews that she does, the press that she does, and the damagingness of who she's reaching and what young men and young boys are

going to be taking from this. Again, as I spoke about in the melting pot of incel culture, Andrew Tate, red pillism. I think as you mentioned, it's a really worthy point that her 1057 men video was pulled down, not because it violated any kind of moral line or moral code of OnlyFans. It was purely because they have a policy, I think, where they need to be able to age check all of their participants, all of their performers, and they obviously couldn't do that with four figures of men. So it's just very interesting that where is the line? Is there a line? Does it seem to exist on the site? And I agree with everything you're saying. I think there's something about the tactics that just feel very anti-woman. And I know we live in

a misogynistic culture, a very whore phobic culture, maybe is as simple as, okay, you've got to get yours. But I think it's when she leans into that, like barely legal stuff, I just think, no, I can't, there's no part of my brain that can make a justification for this. She's seeking out young men to make content with, participate in these stunts to use in her promotions like when she goes up to the guy in the fast food um place and propositions him and he's like well no I don't want to do that and like doesn't know how old he is and is kind of like roping young people into adult work I just feel really sick and I just feel like this is not a person that I can defend or like find any common ground with. I think there's a reason that women and campaigners have been railing so much against

men doing this kind of stuff, against this like jailbait, barely legal stuff. It's not just because young women are uniquely unable to consent. It's like young people deserve a chance to come into their sexuality and sexual desire safely. And the whole culture is responsible, but also this woman is an agent of this, monetizing their youth. And I just find it very grim and I do wholly dislike her and her stance for this reason. Yeah. I think she in particular, the way that she is so provocative online, the way she is so on top of the content she's creating, advertising all of this, drawing you in, constantly trolling us. Well, I don't even know if it's work. If you saw just some of the stuff she said online, you would think this person is just trying to court controversy and to get us back to her page. And then you add in the sex work, you add in the underage teens. It is just somebody

creating content out of other people and using them to go viral constantly, it feels like the natural extension of something like OnlyFans, where you need to drive people back to your page. But what happens when it's so saturated? You have to do extreme things. You have to create connections across the entire internet, across different media. She's the most extreme case of somebody who's successful at this game, where you need to be outrageous. You need to get eyeballs back to your page. What can you do to do that? One of my friends pointed out when she did the A Thousand Men in a Day, there were other content creators filming being in the queue to have sex with her. It is just this giant web that has extended across the internet that we cannot

undo. She is in control of so many parts of what goes viral, what we talk about, what the media is reporting on right now. And she's just one woman. When I did my Let's Talk About Bonnie Blue, I had some messages from sex workers and they said part of the problem is that she isn't literally monopolizing the market. So with things like this, when it is individual run, when it is like kind of decentralized, it does mean that one person can kind of control. And then you have all these other people who are sex workers, as we said, maybe making dribs and drabs who then their whole income is lost to these monopolizers. I always wonder what is the end game for these women? They are making such substantial figures. I think she makes, was it 600,000 pounds in a month?

She said, I think it's worth, she did say 600,000. I think it's worth taking a pinch of salt, but still big, big numbers. Yeah. But so is it that they're going to do this for a year cash out? What is the, you know, what is the outcome from this? I just, she has all these videos where she's like barely breathing and barely legal. And I have to say when Ashley James was

speaking to her on that couch on this morning, I thought you are a better woman than me because there's a point where Bonnie goes, I just want to educate young men around sex or they see stuff in porn. And I'm like, that's a really worthy cause, but what are they going to learn from having sex with you for two minutes as a woman that spouts these most egregious views? And she is just rage bait personified. And I couldn't believe that people can sit and talk calmly to her. And it just reinforces this idea that we should not engage, do not feed the trolls. When people have that level of resistance to judgment, I mean, she must have such a strong constitution because I crumble under any kind of like

real questioning about something which I think is slightly morally murky. She is never going to back down and people are fascinated by her, but we are just breeding a monster. Even this conversation, you know, every single word, every single name, she is a household name. Every single person I know knows who she is. She was on Bloody This Morning. Sometimes the news are reporting about her before like a massive news thing. It just shows in this world and it goes back to our episode on Bianca Sansori. In this digital landscape,

outrage is more important than anything. And we have so many bloody things in this world that we should be doing that are so important. And actually, if you can just grab people's attention, you can literally dominate every single thing. And honestly, this is why the world's gonna end up burning down because we're just chatting about absolute bullshit from people that are just enraging us i think she knows that the outrage will only take her so far like you you can't stay in the news forever just saying things like this unless you

make that into your persona commentator and I don't it doesn't seem like she wants to do that it's interesting because Lily Phillips talks about what she wants to do and this is on a podcast I forget the name of but we'll put in the show notes where she talks about how she wants to have her own production company she talks about wanting to have her own lingerie brand and I expect she could do it I don't see any barriers between her and doing that between her and kind of like crossing out of this line of work and into the next phase of her life. Whereas I don't hear the same things from Bonnie Blue. And so I wonder whether this idea of creating these shocking videos, like she would have known that this video would be taken down by OnlyFans, which suggests

to me that she did it with the idea of maybe marketing it off her own back. Maybe she's kind of trying to cross from that platform to something herself. Maybe she's going to sell it as a Blu-ray. I don't know. But I think OnlyFans is a lot more puritanical than I realised. I learned from Reddit that you can't show urine or breast milk. You can't say a lot of words that she relies on, like younger, young, even if not in the context of the age of participants you couldn't in a message say to somebody oh I used to love that show when I was young that would be flagged you can't say like meet in case you want to meet up with somebody you can't have your eyes closed like there's so many things that I guess are quite quite narrow parameters especially for

someone like Bonnie Blue who wants to create extreme content I imagine there is a longer plan about what she wants to do in terms of like dominating the porn space. I mean, it sort of makes me worried because 1,057 men, even though I don't believe she had sex with anyone anywhere near that number, it suggests an escalation of extremity that would make me quite nervous because I think there is an upper limit to what a body can take. I think someone described it as the OnlyFans arms race, and that feels like what's happening at the moment, just escalation on escalation on escalation. But to what end? And I'm interested but terrified to see what her

end goal might be. One book that this really reminds me of is Get Rich or Lie Trying, Ambition and Deceit in the New Influencer Economy by Simeon Brown. I'm hearing some affirmative sounds. I remember reading it and there were examples of people who would feel themselves facing racist abuse in the desire, the pursuit of going viral, making money. And it is this complete viral arms race. It feels as if. And TikTok has only made that more exacerbated I would say because it's another platform that feels like the national lottery in terms of virality and the amount of eyes you can get and as you say Beth who knows what the next thing is going to be because Bonnie Blew this week there'll be another character next week Logan Paul will say xy thing the following week maybe he'll be president of the us in 10 years time it's just

all these unthinkable things are now thinkable it's completely terrifying and i don't mean to scare anyone but the internet has become this unwieldy platform for all sorts of things to happen and we're all glued to it in this nihilistic way we're all a part of it bonnie blue's on my algorithm constantly because it's obviously detecting that i hold the video for long enough that it will feed me more and more i'm part of the problem too so this week we have focused a lot on content creation and the creation of porn and the porn stars themselves but next week we want to look into how did we get here and what does the consumption of porn itself do to us and society thank you so much for listening. Remember as well

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