Everything Is Content - President Trump 2.0, The Broligarchs & Molly-Mae's Filtered Life

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Happy Friday! Happy Everything Is Content day more importantly! One story that dominated the news cycle this week - the inauguration. Whether we liked it or not, Donald Trump's speech and questionable guest-list was unavoidable. We dived into the rise of the broligarch, our fears for Trump 2.0 and the promises he's already made on trans rights and climate action (i.e. to protect neither).Life is about the light and the dark, but the Molly-Mae doc didn't really offer as many laughs as we'd hoped! Listen to our review of the highly-anticipated 'tell-all' from the UK's influencer-in-chief. Was it as salacious as we wanted?If you haven't already, go listen to our last Everything in Conversation too. Aaaand, give us a rating and a 5* review wherever you listen to us pls, pls, pls. Thank you so much <3----------(A Complete Unknown) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11563598/ (Babybels) https://groceries.asda.com/product/465888??utm_source=organic&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=ghs&srsltid=AfmBOopxC78YpwXHFy1TvOY_UgmAgSR177Q2MfQzs1AvaR9lzHKo8TK0eF8 (Harris Dickinson on Off Menu) https://open.spotify.com/episode/3zRK3iLzWNkmzvR40OtGVO (Severance) https://tv.apple.com/gb/show/severance/umc.cmc.1srk2goyh2q2zdxcx605w8vtxhttps://www.vox.com/future-perfect/395646/trump-inauguration-broligarchs-musk-zuckerberg-bezos-thielhttps://www.whitehouse.gov/remarks/2025/01/the-inaugural-address/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwaEuDeqM8 (Molly Mae: Behind it) All https://www.amazon.co.uk/Molly-Mae-Behind-All-Season-1/dp/B0DN24C8NT Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Richera. And I'm Anoni. And this is Everything Is Content, the podcast that explores the biggest and juiciest pop culture stories of the week. Whether it's TV, film, celebs or internet trends, we cover it all. With the ice-cold oat milk in a matcha latte of showbiz content. This week on the podcast, we're talking about Trump's inauguration and

Molly May's new documentary Behind It All. Follow us on Instagram at everythingiscontentpod and make sure you also follow on your podcast player so you never miss an episode. Before we get into all of the fun and maybe less fun stuff for this episode let me ask what have you both been loving this week? I have two ready to go and I've been so excited to talk about them one of them is a complete unknown the new Bob Dylan biopic I watched it over the weekend it was so good I enjoyed it so much and to the point that I think I have to stress if you don't know anything about Bob Dylan which was me you'll still love it I think you will really enjoy it I watched it on a Sunday morning at 10 45 a.m

which I never do and came out so chronically depressed coming out into the real world and just thinking like fuck this like actually an advert for it it made you depressed no like have you ever had it where you come out of a film and like coming out into the real world is so much shitter than the like make-believe world the mummy returns the mummy returns yeah that was my first ever experience of that I can't remember how old I was but I was like damn I want to be back in there so I know exactly what you're talking about you want to be haunted by a mummy? What the fuck? Yeah. I'm sure I had that with The Hangover when I went to see that. Yeah.

I lived that life. Bob Dylan. Okay, Bob Dylan. Do you know one thing I didn't know about Bob Dylan is that he is alive. So I will also be a person in the cinema because I want to see this a lot because the performances look amazing.

I loved Timmy's whole press. He dressed up in that little scarf and the blonde hair dressing like Bob Dylan. I was like, he's such- A hideous. He's so game for this kind of stuff. Loved that. his look amazing I loved Timmy's whole press like he dressed up in that little scarf and like the blonde hair dressing like Bob Dylan I was like he's so hideous he's so game for this kind of stuff loved that so I was immediately intrigued the marketing's been excellent don't know really much about I know Joan Joan Byers is in it and his partner's in it I don't know the whole drama of it is that what the film's about like Like love drama? Yes. So it is definitely centered around this love triangle between him, Elle Fanning's character called Susie,

and Joan as well. And from my understanding, they've taken liberties and basically combined multiple women into Susie, Elle Fanning's character. But Joan very much was somebody that he had a relationship with. And he comes off like a massive fuck boy, which I think is quite an

interesting side to it because he's obviously like in many circles seen to be this like martyr of like music during the 60s 70s and 80s but he just seems like the worst fucking guy to be in a relationship with anyway so that's one side of it and then the world building in it is amazing it is just like you really feel like you're in this point of time where music could be weaponized for good. It could be an asset to activism and politics. It just felt so cohesive and so powerful. And it really also follows the track of him switching genre from folk and him being almost like a Jesus figure in the folk scene, bringing it to mass attention and turning his back on it and going to rock and how everyone in that movement felt betrayed

and just turned on him instantly. Can you tell me about Timmy? I want to know, would you say it's his best performance yet? I think Call Me By Your Name will always just be an insane performance from him. I think this is really good. I am not a Bob Dylan purist, like I said, but his singing, fuck me, he sings. So it's not Bob Dylan as the soundtrack or being played during those musical moments. It's him literally performing, belting out those songs. And I had chills. My boyfriend, who's a massive Bob Dylan fan, had chills during the music. I think it is astounding. And from my point of view, I think it has to be up there. I think it is exceptional. Yes.

I want to watch. You have to go watch. Okay. Number two, Agatha All Along. Have you heard of this? I have heard of this. Disney plus in the Marvel realm, I think. So I haven't watched it because I'm a snob. That is so fair. You should be a snob, but I'm going to sell it. Catherine Hahn, the hammiest, campest woman alive, is given free reign to be the main character in this very campy,

very sapphic, witchy retelling of a Marvel comic. It doesn't feel like family friendly for all the parents and kids all sat around the TV. It just feels really funny. Also, she's in a relationship with the Witch of Death, Aubrey Plaza. So Catherine Hahn, Aubrey Plaza flirting together for eight episodes, witchy, covered magic. That's all you need to know. Oh my God. Well, that is, I love Catherine Hahn so much. I think her comedic timing is like unbelievable. Okay. I do want to watch that. I do really want to watch the Bob Dylan film. I am thinking about waiting until it comes out to streamers though. I don't know if it's going to

be a cinema number for me. Do it. Do it at home, put blankets on, have a hot chocolate. It's so cozy. Yes. Okay. Gorge. I think I will also need to watch that in the cinema as well because number for me do it do it at home put blankets on have a hot chocolate it's so cozy yes okay gorge I think I will I will also need to watch that in the cinema as well because there's no I don't have a local cinema anymore so I have to drive like an hour and I was totting off my head I did drive for baby girl but I just don't know if I will drive I'll drive from Nicole but would I drive for Timmy not yet oh my god club Chalamet is literally crying listening to us. What about you, Anoni? Tell me what have you been loving?

Okay. I have brought two very simple pleasures for you this week because we're going into some heavy talk. I feel like we've been quite heavy on the pod lately. So number one is baby bells. Now, if you've been following me on Instagram, you might have realised that I have got an addiction, a real full-blown addiction to baby bells they're amazing my sister buys loads of them because she has two young children and now a third

living with her anyway once you get into them once you get past that there's kind of no flavor and the texture is like eating a rubber they are amazing it's just the best snack and I'm just so into them I have about three a day so that that's my number one recommendation. A little bit of joy. They do not taste good. No, but you can play with the wax. Again, it's the joy. It's the fun of it. You get to like, it's really fun.

Astrid loves a lot of nibble as well. I love them. They're so good. Okay. Then my second thing is Harris Dickinson went on Off Menu. Did he? Stop. Yes.

Oh my God. Okay. Wednesday's episode of Off Menu is with Harris Dickinson. He Off Menu. Did he? Stop. Yes. Oh my God. Wednesday's episode of Off Menu is with Harris Dickinson. He's such a flirt. His voice is so sexy. He's got loads of great chat. He's really funny with the guys. And I just really recommend that. They do talk about baby girl.

He talks about like working with Nicole Kidman. It's a really, I love that podcast anyway, but it's just a really good episode, really good interview. What an amazing scoop for them to have. He hasn't been on any other podcast in my vision since the film. I love that podcast anyway, but it's just a really good episode, really good interview. What an amazing scoop for them to have. Because I don't think I've heard, well, he hasn't been on any other podcast in my vision since the film. So if you're in the mood for a bit more of Mr. Dickinson, recommend that. Those are my two.

Oh, I sense I am. I love that. I don't know anything about his life or like, I honestly haven't read any profiles. I haven't done any deep dives it's weird that he's like such a mysterious figure to me yeah I didn't know he was in that Zac Efron film because I never watched it in the end what was it called oh yes Iron Claw really good really good film so he was talking about that bit sorry Beth what were you gonna say I was just gonna say that I kind of don't want to know too much about him I sort of dug my heels in I tweeted this I saw a video of him like doing a Burberry campaign or something and i tweeted like offhand like i just

didn't sense that we would have much in common like if we were left in room together i just think we'd run out of things to say really quickly not in a bad five way but just in a way we'd like talk about our journeys to wherever we were and to what the weather and then we'd go on our phones and like 20 000 people like this everyone was like kind of disagreeing with me being like I'd be sucking his dick and I was like one this is a family website no it's not but I you know it got a lot of attention and now I feel like I have to stick my heels into the sand or whatever it's called I really have to like double down and be like that's not my friend but now same with Timothée Chalamet I'm actually dying to be friends with him so I don't know if I can I'm gonna listen to it but I just don't want to get attached

the reason I want to be friends with Timothée Chalamet is'm actually dying to be friends with him so I don't know if I can I'm gonna listen to it but I just don't want to get attached the reason I want to be friends with Timothee Chalamet is because I am really fascinated I had a conversation with a friend about this she was like it makes you think and I know it's judgmental because why wouldn't Kylie Jenner be clever but because Timothee's with her you're like she must be more intelligent more like clued up than we perceive her to be because for those two to get on there has to be some sort of like intellectual sparring surely I have been seeing a bit of like you know how there's like everyone has a take and then eventually you're sat in the take for long enough there's the anti-take the anti-take at the moment now is is internalized misogyny for all of us me included because I also definitely had this for us to think that a timothy chalamet is like highbrow and to think that Kylie's lowbrow in any way,

because maybe it's the opposite. Maybe because she has a business and she's like media savvy and maybe he isn't as clever as we like assume him to be. I guess it means like the way that they culturally present themselves. Like he is obviously really interested

in the arts and movies and theatre and whatever else. Like I don't, I've never known, I'm not as tapped into her, but I've never seen her speak on those things but as you say like we don't know that she's not I would love if I could be a fly on the wall in a conversation or at a dinner table I would love to like watch them I think they'd just be making out because it seems like they do just sort of smooch at the at the table I think you'd be like guys should we have a conversation and they'd be there like one one one one where do you know what I mean no yeah but I don't want to be visible I

want to be literally a fly on the wall like invisible I want to be I don't want them to know I'm there I want real true insight I don't I just want to be a voyeur Beth what have you been loving um what have I been loving oh do you know what I've basically just been watching tv there's one thing that I will mention that I am loving and I think we'll talk about this in like 10 weeks time, but Severance series two is back. Severance Heads, we have waited for this moment for three years. It is the most locked in community. It is back.

Episode one came out last Friday. Episode two is up today, or maybe I don't know when this comes out yesterday. I am loving it. It's the perfect show. It is the best show in existence, but that's all I want to say about it is I'm loving it. Severance Heads, please hit me up. up let's be a community I've got so many

theories it's the best show on TV do you both watch it judgmentally I say for the unsevered could you tell me what it's about so it is an Apple TV original about a big kind of unknowable company that does kind of like shady things it's a corporation called lumen and they have a severed floor where it's so shady that any employees on there has to have to go through a medical procedure in their brain called severance so when they go down to the severed floor they forget everything of the world above they're basically a reborn adult and when they go up in the evening they forget everything from down there so it's basically you go to work and you're immediately home or if you're a severed person you're at work all of the time and the first series was about

a newly severed individual called heli who just wants to escape and she meets all of her co-workers who are kind of like yeah this is our life and then there's kind of talk of an interaction it's oh it's amazing it's so so good oh i got you know my favorite fact about severance is that it's created by ben stiller yeah no way i know yeah v ben stiller tropic thunder zoolander all of it yeah see we've got to stop pigeonholing people maybe kylie jenner might be the next American novelist Ben Stiller's out here writing yeah whatever it is um so I would love you both to watch that actually because I yeah it's just amazing so many theories abound and it's coming out weekly which is perfect because it's kind of solved my broken brain where I have to have everything immediately you properly

sit down and watch the episode that's my first one two is another tv series which is series two of bad sisters which i finally just got around to and i'm about six episodes in i don't know why i didn't watch it before now have you watched it either of you i've forgotten to watch it i've completely forgotten no i had some mixed things about season two so what are you what are you thinking what the vibes what's your review so the vibes are if you if anyone didn't watch the first one it's so worth watching. It's such a perfect beginning, middle, end, and it wraps up wonderfully, I thought.

And then you go into season two thinking, okay, there needs to be a really good reason for this to kind of unearth all of this. It didn't need a season two. I'm enjoying it. A fairly enormous plot point happens in literal episode two where you go, well, fuck, I guess we're in this now. So I've got high hopes, but I'm a little bit apprehensive.

I kind of wish I just left it alone. But it is very watchable. It's like you're back with the dastardly women. And I love the dastardly women. And now there's more dastardly women. So I'm enjoying it. But it does feel a little bit so far like, could we not have left it as this like wonderful nugget perfect TV show? And also Clay's bang the

prick is not in it because of course he died in episode one he was dead in episode one of the first series so that is a shame because he's horrible and gorgeous but i like it yes so this i've had i've had very similar things quite mixed reviews is it on apple tv again yeah you can tell i've just got an apple tv i was about to say I will watch Severance if someone gives me that Apple TV login and also I will watch Bad Sisters that's why I haven't watched it I've just remembered I tried to get lean on all my subscriptions and I unsubscribed from everything

now I can't do anything they've got great TV shows but there's like four of them whereas obviously on Netflix you've got like years and years worth of slop so I get it completely but I do think for those two it's worth £8.99 for one month watch it all say goodbye maybe I'll do that good plan I think that's all I've been loving on Monday 20th of January 2025 Donald Trump was sworn in as the 47th president of the United States held in the rotunda,

the same part of the Capitol that was stormed by Trump supporters on January 6th, 2021, Trump gave a classical Trumpian speech promising a golden age for America, which has spurred countless fact-checking articles in news outlets for some of his promises. In honor of Martin Luther King, because it was Martin Luther King Day, he said, we will strive together to make his dream a reality. We will make his dream come true. After which he went hard on illegal immigration, calling those crossing the border criminal aliens. He then said that they will end the Green New Deal and that they will drill baby drill, that America will be rich again, and that it is the liquid gold under our feet that will help to do it. He went on to say

as of today it will henceforth be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders, male and female. He said he will also end the government policy of trying to socially engineer race and gender into every aspect of public and private life and that they will forge a society that is colourblind and merit-based. All of these promises and statements were met with rapturous applause. To add to the dystopia in attendance in Pride of Place were Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Mark Zuckerberg, otherwise known as the bro-ligarchs, bro-oligarchs. Why they're so supportive of Trump seems obvious, tax cuts to protect their nauseating wealth. But in a piece for Vox, Sigal Samuel wrote,

this is about much more than just maintaining and growing their riches. It's about ideology, an ideology inspired by science fiction and fantasy, an ideology that says they are supermen and supermen should not be subject to rules because they're doing something incredibly important, remaking the world in their image. MAGA is about granting unchecked power to the powerful. The most and perhaps only moving part of the ceremony was the speech by Right Reverend Marion Edgar Budd as she asked Trump to show mercy to LGBT people and migrants. She gave a beautiful 15-minute sermon full of respect, grace and empathy, noting that many marginalized groups are fearing for their lives. There isn't much to be gained by our prayers if we act in ways that further

deepen the divisions among us. Our scriptures are quite clear about this, that God is never impressed with prayers when actions are not informed by them, she said. Perhaps the problem is that Trump believes he is God, God of America at least, as he famously said, when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Republicans online who often pride themselves for their Christianity were quick to dismiss and disparage the speech. And video footage shows Trump and his family stony face throughout with Tiffany Trump shifting in her seat, looking like she's suppressing a smirk. And afterwards, Trump said, I didn't think it was a good service. They could have done much better. So I thought I'd just do a temperature check and see how you're both feeling and how much

of the inauguration did you watch? Did you read the speech? Did you listen to it? I didn't watch it. And I basically just read some news articles summarizing what he had said and saw the various videos like baron trump looking like i don't even know like an alien like shoved into a human costume like forced on stage um yeah i just i don't think i'm not saying this is like a political intent i just realized now i feel like i haven't got the energy to consume his shit in the way that I did the first round because I think I was um I think I was like doom scrolling you know like consuming everything that he was saying and doing it felt so dystopian the second time around because we've

already had that template of his presidency I mean the shit he's saying is more horrific than I can imagine. But I think I don't want to put the energy into what speech he's delivering, focusing on, you know, watching it in real time. I just I don't I don't think I have it. I have the energy for it this time. What about you guys? I was the same in that I didn't watch it and I knew it was the right thing not to watch it and then to read the reporting on it and get the gist and watch parts of it one for this episode and two because I have to know it but yeah I was absolutely not going to sit there and watch it like the super bowl and same with the doom scrolling I got online and very quickly realized I could be here for about

two hours feeling worse and worse and worse and I just tweeted like you probably don't need to doom score right now just get offline just save yourself because it's a very it's it feels like a very grim four years ahead preserve some energy but it does feel it feels quite chilling I think it feels really tempting to just read everything and get to that place it feels like most of the coverage afterwards was focused on that one which we'll talk about that one Elon Musk moment but actually there was so much other stuff and like none of it was good so yeah there was a lot of potential for for doomy feelings and temperature check wise that I'm feeling chilled I'm feeling not chilled like relaxed I'm feeling to my soul

quite chilled how are you feeling Anoni? The same as you but I've had the opposite compulsion where I cannot stop listening reading absorbing I like need know. It's almost like a control thing, I think. And I was listening to one of the recent episodes of the newsagents. And basically what everyone is saying is because now Donald Trump has kind of complete power over the people that he's presiding over, it's going to be very different from four years ago. And something one of the people on the newsagents said was, it's like the velociraptors have learned how to open the door. And that's basically what's happening is like last time he didn't have as much control. Last time he was sharing all these images of like fake crowds. This time the crowds were really real. The appetite has completely changed. The landscape, they spoke about this in the rest is politics episode as well. Like the landscape has

completely changed. Last time he came into power, we had across the board, kind of all the European countries were centrist or slightly left of center. And now you're coming into a world where everywhere is moving further and further to the right. And there is this huge appetite for Trump's promises, which we'll link the actual inaugural speech in the show notes. But if you actually read it top to bottom, it's even more wild just to read it as words, because it's just ast astounding and it's undeniable that he's this incredible showman and the things I just don't know how you're allowed to even say this but as I said there is article after article after article people being like he's just said this thing there's moments in the inauguration where Hillary Clinton's like laughing because he's just

saying stuff that isn't possible but people are cheering like they're at a concert or like a sports game it really feels like the Hunger Games, Black Mirror, every type of dystopia. So I'm just as fearful as both of you, but weirdly can't look away. So I mentioned that piece in Vox titled, The Brolligarks Have a Vision for the New Trump Term, It's Darker Than You Think. And I know that you both read it and I know that we've spoken about Elon Musk quite a lot on this podcast anyway, and his rule of X. But I wanted to know that you both read it and I know that we've spoken about Elon Musk quite a lot on this podcast anyway and his rule of X. But I wanted to know what you made of the piece and just how weird it was to actually see how much they have really joined forces. This isn't just some kind of weird thing.

The bromance is real and alive. So what I took from it, there was a lot to take from it. I'm going to have to read this again because it is really like, it's very smart and it's it's i don't know it was all about sci-fi and the tie-ins and it made me feel very afraid so i i will need to read it again but it just paints this picture where it's not actually trump who really is it's like trump has this cabinet of these bro guys who for such a long time were masking as not bro guys they were like we're harmless tech guys with this but actually this push towards like masculine ideals for zuckerberg for musk for bezos has been kind of picking up pace over the last few years wanting to cage fight each other talking about like their own testosterone it feels like this is all all of these conditions have been made in a lab for this

moment when these like bros were standing there finally like mask off unapologetic for who and what they are but i can't imagine that donald trump would enjoy that painting of it as as if he is the puppet and they're the puppeteers that's what i was taking from it that no doubt in my mind they are these i don't know how to say brologarks brologarks that they are this kind of, these ultimate bros, this new, kind of nouveau bros, because they are techie guys, but they're also like, we're going to live forever.

We're like big men, big men in the world. Oh, it just, I can't imagine that Donald Trump will be thrilled with that. And we know that he likes to throw his toys out of the pram, cut ties with people, be like the ultimate bitch. That man is a bitch. He's catty. It feels like the bubble

has to burst on this too many bros will spoil this power pudding sorry i'm just left with the pudding statement um did you guys see that loads of people are saying that they've been auto somebody has auto followed them to trump's instagram account uh i believe gracie abrams was one of them but like multiple people are saying that they have never followed Trump in their life. And over the weekend, they looked on their follower list. And for some reason, some unexplainable reason, Trump was among the people that they were following on Instagram. I've seen people say this and then when they tried to unfollow it, they followed it back.

But then I also saw people saying that actually what it is, is if you followed POTUS and vPOTUS accounts, it gets automatically transferred. saw people saying that actually what it is is if you followed potus and v potus accounts joe biden it gets automatically transferred so if you follow kamala you follow joe biden or you followed whoever then they basically take over the account but then i have there was a piece in l as well where they were saying yeah people were basically unfollowing the accounts and refollowing it but again that's the kind of weird thing these platforms are owned by these men who are now in cahoots with Donald Trump. I think what's been so scary is like, as we saw with Mark Zuckerberg talking about meta

and how they don't want it to be like so female focused or basically so woke. It's like, God, they're not even pretending anymore. They are so brazenly saying the quiet part out loud. Yeah. And I wonder if that could take us on to what Elon Musk did. I guess I don't know if we have to talk around it in a way that's... Should we first say that what Zuckerberg said about basically, he said that the problem with modern companies is that they have too much femininity essentially, and it's like

neutered the company dynamic. Obviously, he got a load of backlash from women's magazines who pointed out that the number of female CEOs in high positions in like FTSE 100 companies is horrendously low. The amount of women in those kinds of positions, the fact that he's cutting so many fact checkers from meta, and that will disproportionately affect marginalized communities and women, is just in real time his commitment to misogyny and encouraging misogyny from company level to worldwide level on his platforms something that i really loved in the piece actually it ties into that is i've been thinking of this with these four guys in particular with these brawler guards with these billionaires is that it was the rich getting richer and actually it's not it's not that when you are

that rich it's not it's not about accruing more wealth. And in the piece, they write, it's about ideology, an ideology inspired by science fiction and fantasy, an ideology that says they are supermen and supermen should not be subject to rules because they're doing something incredibly important, remaking the world in their image. And that image is so male. They've broken the ceiling. It's blokes. It's like toxic masculinity final boss and i think yeah the piece again like it it points out so succinctly like they are valorizing aggression they are

valorizing dominion over everything and in line with all of the return to traditional values that we've been seeing the uptick of that we knew what that meant everyone knew that it was a nod to the pendulum like swinging that way back towards the right. And yeah, they're not even like shadowy billionaires pulling the strings anymore. They are like, it lines up so perfectly with their misogyny to say like, we are now like essentially his second cabinet. We're remaking the world, this utopia, this like male fantasy where don't worry women, we've got this covered. The economy with crypto, they've got their fingers in sustainability and the world and space and you know it's resources they want to go to space it just feels like just the most

masculine the most toxically masculine show of power that i can certainly my lifetime i'm sure of her that was one thing i was going to say is like half the things he's talking about is kind of rolling back the efforts to reduce carbon footprints and the fact that he was like drill baby drill and then everyone cheered and it's like first of all I don't know how long you guys are going to live you're already like halfway into your lives I suppose and you're going to live it to the full and you're going to set the world on fire as you do it and you do not give a fuck and you're probably thinking that worse comes to worse they probably have I think someone said that hasn't Mark Zuckerberg built like a massive island is it off Hawaii and he's got like a it's kind of all contained and I think it's probably like the airs you breathable if there's some

these people will be able to survive an apocalypse it's just it's so scary because it's like I don't even think they disbelieve the way the world is going they just don't care because they believe that their wealth is going to insulate them from it and I can't believe how well I can believe it because the history books always say this about everything that happens it's like everyone's watching it unfold and it's not until it happens that everyone goes how did we get here and it's like it's been quite a slow burn yeah and it's just like if you for a second vote for somebody like him and think he has your best interests at heart, I don't want to be rude, but you are completely deluded. Literally, like you said, Anoni, these people are insulating themselves and hoarding wealth to an unimaginable degree. And they don't care about other people. All they care about is

themselves and their friends, maybe not even really their friends. And they will have their contingency plans for when the planet inevitably dies because of the amount of destruction that they are you know encouraging at this point laughing in the face of in fact it is just unbelievable and yeah maybe in the interim they're you know promoting tax cuts they're promoting things that in the short term suggest that they care about working class people but it's all it's all just bullshit like the long-term plan is care for yourself individuality at a rampant horrendous pace i think that trump supporters do think of him primarily as their ally and i was watching

one of the videos i did watch was obama arriving and then the cl Clintons arriving and booze for them. They were treating it, and you said this earlier, Noni, they were treating it like a sports game where like their guy won, they're going to prosper. And we saw a few weeks ago, it was Jimmy Carter's funeral. They're all pally with each other. Like they are politicians. They are world leaders. They are class allies and their interests align with one another. They don't align with any Trump supporter on earth. Not even like his, you know, Beth Maga boy. It just, even, you know,

Democrats, Republicans, these are rich people at the end of the day. They struggle for that stuff. They get in a room, they politic with each other, they laugh, they joke. It is not that serious to them. And it does sort of break your heart at the same time as making you so angry

to see people really going to bat for this man who last time fucked it up this time we'll fuck it all up it does feel like on this scale though this second time around yeah masks off and gloves off I don't think it's no one's going to be happy at the end of this four years apart from the guys in that inauguration room so the thing that Beth you briefly mentioned at the top that has been a massive point of conversation was Elon Musk doing a salute, which a lot of people said looks like the Nazi salute, looks like the Heil Hitler Roman salute. And there have been, again, so many academics,

so many people coming out and saying that is a Nazi salute. There's absolutely no denying it. He did it twice. He did it with his full chest, quite literally. Bangs his chest. People have put it like line by line, side by side videos of people doing the salute and him doing it. And it's undeniable, but he's come forward and said, well, people have come forward and said, he's just a neurodivergent man. He's autistic. And he was just showing people that he loved them. And I actually shared a video from Moya earlier this week on Instagram, where Moya said, I can't believe that I just shrugged at that when I first saw it. And that was kind of my reaction as well.

I was like, oh, I can't believe that's happened. And then she was like, what are we doing? That is literally the pinnacle of democracy in America. And we have someone doing that salute. And I posted this video and someone replied to me going, oh, he's not doing that. And I was like, oh my God, it's, I actually actually have no words I don't know if you guys have any words I I mean it's strange to bring up the autism point I don't really see how that's relevant I mean I like please do correct me if that is very relevant to this point but all I see is

a symbol of hate being repeated on possibly the biggest stage in the world. I don't really see the relevance and I have eyes to see what I saw. It literally is that symbol of horrendous hate that is so egregious. I don't understand. It's such bullshit. And of course, everyone is calling it out apart from people that adore that man like it puts such a strain on autistic people as well to kind of explain again obviously it's bullshit like we don't accidentally do hate gestures we don't accidentally single signal to the far right we don't do any of those things that mimic a historic hate gesture by dint of being autistic and it's just it's just cloaking it's just classic misdirection

it's just classic oh well well you can't criticize that adult baby he's he's got aspergers you know it's it's just such bullshit and it's like when someone claims mental illness or applies mental illness to a school shooter things like that the brunt of the denials have to fall then on a vulnerable group of people to say okay these things are not connected in the way that you're making them sound connected it's just such bullshit and yeah the infantilization of him as this like baby genius figure just turns my stomach and there was a tweet i need to go off twitter but anyway there was a tweet from someone saying just reminding everyone that the richest man on earth did a nazi salute at the presidential inauguration yesterday. That was their words. And underneath it, Grok, which is Twitter's AI tool, comes up with these further suggested

searches. And one of them was like, what exactly was the gesture? And how has Musk clarified the gesture? And I was reading it like, God, is this really happening? Are we at this point in history where the artificial intelligence of billionaire-owned social media is asking me leading questions about a potential Nazi salute at Trump's second inauguration. Like I just had to scratch my head a minute and be like, you know, pinch myself. I'm not actually dreaming. This is exactly the point we're at. It was so dystopian. That sentence, no one should ever utter the sentence that I have just uttered, frankly. I saw another tweet as well that was like, sorry, so I'm supposed to believe that this man is one of our most brilliant genius minds that we have, that he can get us into space, that he can make these creations that completely revolutionize the technology world. And yet he also doesn't know when he's doing something that outrageous. He just didn't realize, oh, sorry. It's like how are those two things supposed to be coexisting in our minds is unbelievable and you're right the infantilization of him the way he's kind of like a pet everything

about him makes my skin cool and I just this is why I think I'm so attached to it because it kind of I almost need I want to be so aware of it it's making me think that film don't look up which everyone hated with Leonardo DiCaprio but I actually really enjoyed it I was about to reference that yeah yeah and it's it's like i kind of want to keep looking i kind of want to keep staring and watching to make sure that i'm like seeing as it's happening and also just around this like i keep seeing statistics about how like young men are the biggest demographic of spending time on their own like there's so many little parts to this growing manosphere fear that is like a bit like, I'm going to make such a tenuous link, but a bit like with the Blake Lively smear campaign, how there was already these

things happening online that once they tapped into, it could expand. It's like this Trumpism, this, this brolic arc, this manosphere is happening at the perfect point in history, where it has the roots, the ability to spread like wildfire in a way that it didn't last time. And even everyone's been talking about it, but the fact that they literally stormed the Capitol four years ago and he was talking, calling them hostages and like pardoning them. And we're in a really different place where it felt unbelievable this last time. And this time it's scarily real in a way that I don't think it was last time. I am really worried about what is going to happen

over the next few years, because during his last presidency, we saw QAnon, that really French conspiracy movement that was across the world, that was highly paranoid, taking messaging from him to be confirmation that there was a secret cabal of satanic worshipers in politics, and he was their savior, Donald Trump, protecting them from it. They took that as gospel. And like you said, they stormed the Capitol. And that was probably like the biggest example of conspiracy theory, making itself real in person and collective and yeah I guess violent in this really shocking way and as you say he is talking about pardoning those people he is talking about how you know he is on their side I don't really feel like the appetite for QAnon has been very big recently, but I wonder what that is going to do for that sense of paranoia,

that collective distrust, that almost sense of online violence against people who argue against you and try and tell you what is truth. I don't know. It was bad last time. I can only imagine what it's like this time as we've experienced four years of Joe Biden and we've swung back to Trump and all of these people are rejoicing in such a visible way. At least in 2016, and I know that the so-called woke left gets a lot of stick, but in 2016, there was at least a cohesive online social movement that was calling out racist dog whistles and transphobia and rape culture. And there was a movement and a push towards feminist learning and feminist teaching. Some of it was really twee. A lot of

it was very liberal, very sort of like, let's vote, organise. But that feels totally absent now. And in its place, I don't know what there is besides fear and disorganisation. And that feels totally absent now. And in its place, I don't know what there is besides, you know, fear and disorganisation. And that feels very frightening. So it has to be a worthy and robust counter to that on the or that 2016 movement, but there was something there. And that was across celebrities. That was across television. There was a real pushback. There was a real vocal pushback against Trumpism that I just am not seeing this time. Bits and pieces, but not in the same cohesive way. Well, that was the era when the word woke was really kind of being co-opted,

for want of a better word, and taken over, but also being understood. It was borrowing from another culture and kind of misunderstoodly often. And now it's become a weapon. This is the fight back for that. This is the result of people trying to fight for liberation and for equality. The problem is that these men own the internet and that is where everything happens now. And that is the real problem. They own every single one of these platforms. And so this always happens, but the further left you go, there's probably less money because that's the idea. People don't want people hoarding wealth. Monopolizing isn't a good idea, but then it does make us weak and we've been weakened. It's a really scary time. So we've mentioned before on the podcast,

but what we really should be striving towards is regulation with these big tech companies. They have been growing and expanding and they have gone unchecked ever since their beginning, their origin, and rather what's happening than government doing the very difficult task of curtailing their power, which has grown exponentially since then, is they're just working alongside them. They're giving them positions in their cabinet. They're getting funded by them. And especially when it's right wing, that is a damage to every single person. That is not a damage to certain minority people. It's problematic for all of us. We cannot freely use these platforms without being fed propaganda, especially if they are working in cahoots with certain politicians.

We can't say what we want freely, much to the chagrin of these people who claim that all they care about is free speech. You just have to go on Twitter to feel that you're being fed a direction of content and to know that you're not getting a free platform. It's just literally in plain sight. So yeah, I mean, we're already feeling the effects of it and it's so, so scary. I mean, thumbs up. That was very, very articulate, but thumbs down. The reality of that. Influencer-in-chief Molly May has been

dominating the headlines this month and it's partly because her prime documentary Molly May Behind It All has finally dropped. We spoke about her last year but Molly May is a former Love Islander. She was in a relationship with the boxer Tommy Fury, who's the brother of Tyson Fury. Since her time on Love Island, Molly May's essentially risen to the highest tier of UK influencer that you can possibly get to, I'd say. She's built a 2 million YouTube subscriber and 8.4 million Instagram followers. Last year, she was caught in a drama whirlwind when she unexpectedly broke off her engagement to Tommy with a solo statement saying, quote, I never imagined our story would

end, especially not this way. TikTok was full of Tommy cheating allegations and a woman even came forward and was doing the rounds saying that she was the other woman. But Molly Mae rarely said a word during all of this and she took the high road and essentially just said that also it was Tommy's story to tell, which I think essentially fueled a lot of the cheating rumors, whether she intended to or not. She addresses the messy breakup in the series, which is why so many people have been so excited for this to drop. And she also talks about the drama surrounding her debut fashion collection, Maybe, which became embroiled in a bit of a public scandal because the blazers were not particularly cheap. They were, I think, around 150-ish pounds and multiple people posted videos once they got their samples saying that the fabric was super

cheap, there was lots of pilling and bobbling. She apologised after a few weeks of this because it just kept flooding in, honestly. It was quite stressful to watch. And she said there was an error with the manufacturer, but she didn't really say much else. What did you both think of the doc? Did it live up to the hype around it? What was your review? It was interesting because I put on my Instagram story that I was going to watch it and I got loads of DMs from people saying that they thought she came across really unlikable and that she didn't come across that well. So I was watching it with that in mind, which then meant I couldn't figure out if I thought that or not, because I was like, do I think that's because they think it. But I don't know. One of the things I found most striking is we know that Amazon, everything it

does is basically just to game its own algorithm. I think they spoke about this on the rest of entertainment. Richard Osman was saying they don't really care about their shows. They don't really care about anything they sell. All they're trying to do is collect data and information, which is why Amazon started off as a platform to sell books because that's how you like aggregate. It's the best way to find out what consumers' habits are through books was the initial thing. Anyway, so all of that to say that every single break, there's an advert of Molly Mae doing something. It's nothing really much happens in the series. It was, it was, I was very hooked by it. But another thing that I couldn't stop thinking about was this whole thing, the whole arc

about the clothing brand and like people buying it and then not being up to scratch. And the truth of it just being that this is about money. She kept being like, I just want people to love the clothes. You design clothes that exist in 80 different versions of the exact same thing that are much better made, probably at a better price point for the quality. You could get a secondhand blazer that looks like that from a charity shop any day of the week. A men's one that's probably wool that would last you a lifetime. And I just hate the, and maybe she truly believes that. Maybe she really does think I really want to do this for my fans I'm going to bring them so much joy if I can get them clothes that make them feel closer to me

but I just again felt like there was this kind of blind spot there where it was like this is it's so disingenuous what you're talking about um that was kind of one of the big things for me but as you know I'm very anti-fast fashion so that that really kind of struck a chord with me and I also did feel really bad for her in the scene where she's doing the meetup and she's like smiling through gritted teeth being like, of course I can take a picture. Of course I can take a picture.

I just can't imagine feeling like a piece of meat in that way. And she clearly got so overwhelmed. And it is like, she's just like cash cow, this prize that people got to come and have a photo with. So I felt kind of like all different kinds of ways about it, but it just made me think how weird we are as humans in this point in life where we just want to be so close to these modern gods. We deify people and then want to like get so close to them and then we kind of

want to tear them apart. And then we're so fascinated by her and she's still so young. That was my unplotted synopsis of my thoughts.'s a very good point actually and i i was thinking of it purely am i entertained e.g i'm in the crowd at the coliseum am i cheering or am i like bored and i have to be honest i was it was quite a beige documentary it's like the inside of a house it was quite beige quite a lot of people online on the one hand people were doing watch parties molly may stands between watch parties with the girlies. They couldn't wait to do it. People with maybe a more critical eye who weren't fans or haters of her were expressing that it was quite frustrating watch at times

because it did seem like a long sort of advert. It was very curated. It was holding back a lot. Didn't feel like I was getting the full picture of anything, which for a behind-the-scenes, behind-it- all documentary, you expected maybe slightly more than what we already knew from her vlogs and her TikToks and her Instagram and the tabloids. There was a scene in the car, which a few people pointed out, where it's the tail end of a conversation with Tommy. And you don't hear what he said, but she's like, you know what? I can't have this conversation. I'm really frustrated.

And you never find out what they're talking about, which of course you don't hear what he said but she's like you know i can't have this conversation i'm really frustrated you never find out what they're talking about which of course you don't have to you don't have to give everything up but to include that and not include any context felt like what are we doing here i know it was used to paint an image of their relationship as being quite difficult but ultimately civil and whole as kind of two solo parents for their daughter's sake yes that makes sense but. But it's a frustrating way to communicate that as a documentary that is lauded as, hey, look, you're going to get the full unfiltered. None of it was unfiltered. It was all very much, it was like a vlog, but an extended vlog with slightly more and slightly nicer cameras. And I feel

the same way about the storytelling and the ways they did it. Like having her watch old Love Island clips, having her watch old vlogs, I was I was like okay this is quite dull for me to watch I it didn't feel very inspired and maybe that's an editing critique rather than I mean it is definitely an editing critique it's not a critique of her as a person I didn't get to know her as a person I don't think at all I think with all the fanfare though I possibly wanted more which I didn't think I'd say about a Molly Mae documentary. What about you, Richa? Yeah, I completely agree with you both. It was shot in the way the Disney version

of the Kardashians is. It was very glossy, but I think a key difference is with the Kardashians, the new show, they give you a bit like, obviously Khloe and Tristanistan when their relationship just like blew up that that they gave quite a lot in that regard and we sometimes get bits and pieces that we wouldn't get in the media but for the most part I think it's a good example of how they don't

they don't need to give us anything anymore it's just glossy pretty they don't divulge much of their life and they still get their paycheck and that's that show I think with this it's shot like that but the difference is because the focus is only on one singular person it's so apparent that there's so much filler and you're just watching it and if I mean there's yeah like you said not much really happens and there's not really that much information. The thing that is quite informative is how much she assumed her and Tommy would get back together. And it's just quite sad, I think, listening to her realize in real time that their future together is not assumed, is not assured. And he, from her point of view, has stuff he has to work on. And that doesn't necessarily mean that they're inevitably going to get back together. But she still has this very fairy tale image of their relationship.

And she says this one quote that like, really just like kind of devastated me. And I think it's just like anyone going through a breakup it just as soon as they vocalize how they feel it just feels like daggers listening to but she says despite everything by the way all the allegations that we've mentioned this this is her quote all I want in this life is to be with him and have another baby with him and to grow old as a family and to live in a nice house together and to live a nice life together. I'm kind of realizing that maybe these problems are just not going to go away no matter how much I want things to fix themselves. And it's not like, it's not particularly like groundbreaking quote, but it's a really

fucking honest, devastating quote. And I think a lot of the chatter online with her and Tommy's breakup has focused on how she's going to have this whole chapter. She's going to be, you know, like girl bossing 2.0. Who's she going going to date is it going to be a footballer could she be in her future wag era and I think a lot of us just forgot that actually maybe she just like is really brokenhearted and she really loves this person and it's really fucking sad and also she's come out and said numerous times she doesn't really have any friends she likes being at home she doesn't like getting drunk she doesn't like massively socializing she doesn't really have any friends. She likes being at home. She doesn't like getting drunk. She doesn't like massively socializing. She does just really want that simple, quite contained life, albeit broadcast to the internet. But in her reality, it's quite small

and neat. Something that I was thinking about too was, and we've spoken about this before, but when she did have a baby quite young, it was in chiming with quite a lot of other influences. And there's nothing to say that people can't have children at any point whenever you want but there was definitely a point where influencers were not only influencing people's by plt but there was also then a cohort of kind of much younger girls being like actually i want to go and like have a baby now which kind of bled into then also trad wife content and i wonder how for her fans like those diehard molly may fans who really are genuinely obsessed with her in a way that is quite hard to fathom.

I wonder what life decisions they've made because this has played out in such a public stage. It's quite not the right word. It's quite understandable or like it's not that shocking that Tommy Fury, a young man who had been training to be a boxer who I don't think he'd really drunk before who then has come to huge fame in his mid-20s and has suddenly started partying and gone off like that's quite a normal story for like a young-ish person for that to happen does that make sense because they're both I think the thing of this is like they're both still young and what I just kept thinking about was how this impacts those fans have like followed in her footsteps of this like fairytale relationship not that that is at any point her fault like you can't help how much

people are influenced by like your lifestyle choices online to an extent but I just kept thinking about that and the fact that she like even in that quote is so disillusioned from this fairytale which she really kind of believed in and that was a really sad part of it did any of that make any sense i don't know if that yeah yeah it definitely did so she's 25 and tommy fury when they had bambi was 25 so i imagine he must he let me double check but i'm pretty sure i think they're both exactly 20 i think they're both 25 are they both both in step with each other which makes it a little bit just sad yeah sorry they are both 25 yeah so they were really yeah like both very early 20s when they had yeah because she's two or three

now yeah yeah one of the sad things is that yeah this was meant to be a couple's documentary it was meant to be lead up to the wedding it was meant to be this exciting thing which you know and then she's let down by you know a man who she relied upon and loved and was planning her entire future with. And I think the most praise I've seen this documentary get is from single mothers, single parents who relate to this moment in time, which nothing can protect you from. She is very protected by her wealth, no doubt about that, but nothing can protect you from that feeling I imagine of totally being let down totally being let down by a person who you adored and continue to adore and then having to remain in a civil relationship with them having to kind of table your own pain and anger because there's a child

that needs stability and of course I have been forgetting in my critique of this she is a 25 year old woman she is six years younger than I have she has she's six years younger than i am she has this empire to quote unquote run i mean i think she's a very busy person i think she is i think a lot of her work is not necessarily hard but she's under a huge amount of pressure i think from herself which we see in the documentary like the amount of control she needs she bursts into tears at a meet and greet because of kind of one awkward moment because it's not going how she wants it because she has placed this amount of pressure on herself to get it perfectly right and she has this one slightly awkward moment where she goes out to greet everyone and it's just crickets no one knows what to say and she goes inside and she almost immediately breaks down

in tears because it hasn't gone right and I do think where this documentary succeeds is when you see these human moments of her psyche and of what is going on behind the scenes like she's sort of cracking up not in a way that I'm worried about her but in a way that I'm like fuck you're a young mum you are a woman who has just broken up with the person you think is the love of your life all of this is happening on a global stage I did feel quite sad for her through a lot of this even as I maintain this is like a Pinterest board of a documentary like it's rich people errands where it succeeds is when she is sitting there when she is reacting when she's actually like you can tell it's not they've not

storyboarded this when she's sort of arguing with her sister being like I thought we were going to get back together and her sister's like well you know what you might not and it's like fuck okay that is what I want to watch in a documentary like this you know what you might not and it's like fuck okay that is what I want to watch in a documentary like this you know what's quite interesting as you're talking about this it really does feel like image and perception versus reality and I don't mean this in any horrible way I'm not trying to psychoanalyze her. I guess we all do this. I especially would have done it when I'm in my early 20s. But you have these set ideals of what things look like and what they should be, especially if you're doing something that is so image based. And if you have a content creation job, it is all about what everything looks like. And it is all about

the narrative and the story. So having this perfect relationship, having this perfect family unit, having the pumpkins around your house during Halloween, everything looking a certain way and being crisp and beautiful and perfect. And I think what we're seeing in the documentary is this kind of unraveling. And that's the most interesting bit of it that she even still is not really able to face the fact that things will not be perfect and they might not ever be and she still is like kind of holding on to that in multiple ways whether it's the clothing brand the fact that the launch hasn't gone the way it's supposed to and there were multiple issues that went wrong with it and people are angry with her which sounds like a fucking stressful situation honestly and then also this launch as you said and then also her

relationship it does seem like I guess that's the most interesting part about her I would love to dig into her relationship to being an influencer and having everything have to look perfect and also grapple with the fact that the whole world knows that multiple things at the exact same point are coalescing to very much be the opposite of perfection in her life and she has to deal with that everything she's going through is an insurmountable amount of pressure like when she's getting even though I agree that those places are like terribly made like that was all for the consumers completely right on that front. I was like trying to imagine how I would feel if I was going through getting that amount of messages.

And also just like all the press, it's really difficult. But I was thinking about what you just said and what Beth was saying. And I wrote about this in Bad Influence because I remember finding this so interesting is so many people who are like massive YouTubers are really introverted because their life is always,

they're just talking to a camera. And even though they have all of these legions of fans and people who adore them they're never actually with them in real life and that's what you really see her coming up against she exists very much as a digital creator and she's not often like in and of the world with her fans and it completely broke her because she is used to having that curated image and she mentions a few times in the show i'm a perfectionist i like to put forward the perfect image I like to make sure that you know my pictures look a certain way and so you can just see how she's totally unprepared to actually be in a room with those people but I did also find that really sad because like I said

it was like she was a piece of me and also very odd that I was trying to think if I got to meet one of my heroes yes I'd like a picture but it certainly wouldn't be the first thing I'd ask I would try and get as much face time with them as much conversation as I possibly could I'd want to say something really impressive and clever about their career that I found inspiring I'd want to get like a nugget to take back to my friends and then if I thought it was appropriate at the end whilst also wanting to seem cool in front of them I'd be like can we get a picture but only if it was perfect her relationship with her fans is no one cared about saying anything to her she kept tripping

over her words even when she was just going oh nice to see you she'd like say the wrong thing all they wanted was a picture that's really disconcerting because it's like they just want to prove they met her I don't know but that I found to be quite unsettling and then to be going through everything she's going through I mean she is a soldier in lots of ways, because I would be having a breakdown if I was going through all of that. It is the number of times that they, can I have a photo? Yeah, of course you can. I don't think they even included all of the times that happened, but it happens again and again. Of course you can, yeah, of course you can, yeah. It's that script of compliance and supplication and just like openness of like, yeah, whatever you want. But all they want is just that Instagram photo.

Yeah, it just seemed like the most boring event ever. But also just those interactions were like, come on, give me a little more. Give her a little bit more. One thing I do want to talk about is the kind of misogyny that's been attached to her not clarifying until this that their breakup was centered around his struggle with alcohol. And she's been blamed in a lot of comments for, I think you said this at the beginning, Richard, for allowing that narrative to run. And I think that is sheer misogyny, that it was perhaps her role to shield him from that, that she wasn't allowed to step back and heal. We don't know the full picture,

but that she was in some way in the wrong for not kind of absolving him and saying he's not done this but it's this and i don't know i found that commentary quite distressing and i'm sure it has been for her as well and probably for him that everyone is angry at her for not clarifying that it wasn't cheating and we don't know but that it was an alcohol issue rather than that he cheated on her people are mad like what do you what what do you want like I'm struggling to understand what do you want from her she doesn't owe you a specific outline of what exactly he's done she literally said it's his story to tell he took the time he wanted to he said he was struggling with alcoholism like what what do you want do you want her to tell his story

for him if that is what he's going through also I do think I think we've got like five percent of the information I think there is 95 percent of their relationship that we have no fucking idea about and that is just the full story and what we've seen just will never make sense to people because of course we don't know her we don't know him they've had to give a statement about it because people are incessantly talking about it there's a woman who's literally on TikTok claiming to be the other woman I don't I don't know I'm not really making sense I guess I'm just like what is the perfect solution to this in people's eyes like please tell me but I think this is the deal with the devil and I did write about this in my book that you make as a content creator, as an influencer,

which is that you gain all of these riches, all of this luxurious lifestyle in exchange for giving up your soul to your audience. And, and so when you've been so, and I don't think it's right, I'm not saying it's right, but it is, it's kind of how it works. It works it's like if you are someone which is why I decided to kind of pull back sharing about my relationships because once you make your content about your relationship or about your family it's very hard to then take that away from your audience without them feeling resentful so I think because her and Tommy had been a package like he was very much family and her content their relationship was for everyone to see when it breaks down and I even had this on the most micro level when I broke up with my boyfriend like five years ago, people wanted to know why and felt very short change that I had

introduced them to this man, let them get to know our relationship. And then when it was over, I went silent and people feel like, well, I've been supporting your content. I've been following you. So it's just this really weird ecosystem that exists and that it feels symbiotic. Followers feel like they're getting something from you and you're getting something from the following. So that's what people want. I did think it was interesting that she alludes throughout. She was like the things that he did. She doesn't explicitly say, but it does sound like she's saying he potentially cheated, even though he then did his kind of rebuttal video and said, you know, it was just the alcohol. But even within that, there was scope to believe that he was saying he did cheat, but only as a direct result of having a problem with

alcohol. I totally agree that we shouldn't have any right to any information. But then it also does make you wonder, like, did she need to do this documentary at this point in time so a bit I think a bit of a lackluster review from all of us but if you are compelled to watch the documentary it is out on prime video we'd love to hear what you think if you disagreed with us especially let us know on instagram thank you so much for listening this week remember in addition to this episode we also bring you an extra Everything in Conversation episode every single Wednesday.

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