Everything Is Content - Real Housewives of London, Rosalía & Rini (Skincare For Children)

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Hey EIChihuahuas, happy Friday! To celebrate, we gift you a brand new episode, kisses.This week on the podcast it’s just Oenone and Beth steering the content ship through the choppy waters of: The Real Housewives of London, the biblical new release from Rosalía, and a controversial new celebrity skincare line.First... Real housewives of London premiered this summer, with many people curious as to how this beloved show would fare across the Atlantic. The series follows eight women navigating London’s ultra-wealthy social circles, balancing old money, new money, and country piles. There’s glamorous events, designer drama, and class tensions with the expected Housewives mix of alliances, gossip, and fallouts. The series sees the women get into blows over some dubious dentistry aka teeth-gate, renting outfits, not picking up the bill and the definition of ‘best friend’. We share our thoughts on the series and the explosive two-parter reunion.Next up, on November 6 Pretty Little Liars star Shay Mitchell launched a new line of sheet masks for children. Everyone’s writing about it from Glamour, to Marie Claire, The New York post and The Metro, and not an insignificant number of you guys in our DMs, too. So is this a dystopian nightmare, or just a bit of harmless fun that’s been blown out of proportion?And last but by no means least, an album hotly anticipated globally, but also very much on this podcast, and that is LUX, the fourth record by Spanish singer and songwriter Rosalía. According to Pitchfork it’s “a heartfelt offering of avant-garde classical pop that roars through genre, romance, and religion”. The BBC called it “radical and riveting” and NME said it’s “an arresting album of astonishing scope and ambition”. The 33 year old, who is a trained Flamenco singer, sings in 13 different languages on the album, including Japanese, Arabic, Portuguese, Latin and Sicilian, and worked for a year writing the lyrics and working with professional translators to make sure they were just right. It is receiving an avalanche of five star reviews for artistry, composition, narrative, lyrics. The album is now out, we’ve both listened to it... We’re by no means musical experts, but we give our thoughts.We hope you enjoy the episode! As always, please do rate, review & follow the show.Thank you so much to Cue podcasts for the edit.Beth's been loving:Oenone's been loving: Loren Ipsum, Andrew GallixReal Housewives Of LondonShay Mitchell statement on RiniWhat Dermatologists Really Think About Sheet Masks for Toddlers - Harpers BazaarRosalía Has Biggest Streaming Debut of Any Female Spanish-Language Artist on Spotify - Rolling Stonelove ya O, R, B xx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth and I'm Anoni. And this is Everything is Content, the podcast that looks at the biggest stories from your news feeds. Whether it's TikTok dramas, film reviews, celebrity breakups, tech analysis, book recommendations, we're all over it. With a big bouncy blowdry, full of secrets sitting atop the head of this week's content characters. This week on the podcast, it is just me and Beth, you may have noticed. Ritera is away on a gorgeous holiday, so we shall. will be staring the content ship through the choppy waters of real housewives of London, the biblical new release from Rosalia, and a controversial new celebrity skin care line.

Follow us on Instagram at Everything Is ContentPod, and make sure you hit follow on your podcast player so you never miss an episode. But fast, Bethany. What have you been loving this week? So I actually have a small stack this week, the high and the low. Oh, that's a good podcast name. Just kidding. Something small that I just really enjoyed this week, I put it on my story, was a comment from Joe Exotic, e.g. COVID-19's first main character on Instagram about Hillary Duff's new single where he said, quote, all the guys in here listening to it. And by in here, he means prison where he's currently serving, I think, 21 years for animal abuse and attempt to murder. And I'm just obsessed with the idea of all the guys in prison loving a new,

He doesn't say loving actually, listening to it, listening to a new Hilary Duff track. It was a perfect internet moment and I loved that very much. That's the first on the heap. This is how I found out through your story of Joe Exotic, telling everyone that him and the inmates listening to it, that Hillary Duff is releasing music. And then I went down a rabbit hole on her page. She's looking absolutely fantastic, I have to say. I'm really enjoying her vibe. And yeah, that did really make me laugh.

I didn't necessarily know you're allowed Instagram in prison. I think there are degrees to which you are. I think, yeah, it's funny because I will often see his comment. He's a prolific commenter. I will often see his comments on other celebrities and be like, you're out? And then no, he's very firmly still in. But he'd just be commenting. Yeah, I don't really know the rules.

I've seen prison inmates. I don't know what the prison users. I don't know. In prison on like live on TikTok. And I'm like, okay. I'm watching. I'm fiping. The whole, from my limited understanding of prison, they're constantly trying to smuggle in burn a phones.

Why are you doing that if you've got a smartphone with access to Instagram and live stream? Just order one. Yeah. I mean, I'm probably being really ignorant. We will do some research on this. Do you follow Joe Exotic or is he just popping up? He's just popping up. I think I did follow him one of the 2020s, the early 2020s.

And then I thought, he is actually, I think this was before he ran as Democratic president for the United States. I think I was just very much like, I think he's a bad guy and I don't want to be hoodwinked into being like, ha ha, classic, even though I think he just did that by following him and almost legitimising his celebrity when I think he did, I think he was convicted of attempting to organise the murder of a woman. And I don't support that. But I do see the comments and I did have a little chocolate at this one. So that is the first thing I'm loving. Wait, how many of you got today? I've really got one. Okay. I'll do, I'll do another one. I thought maybe we'll trade off. Another short one is this week. I've rewatched the film Shirley Valentine because the actress Pauline Collins, who starred in it, died last week and I was, I just wanted to mark tribute and it's just such a great film. It is, I think it came out in 1989, so I'm obviously continuing the trend of hot, up-to-date podcast recommendations, but anyway, it is based on a play of the same name, which I think Pauline Collins starred in, but a woman from Liverpool who grows up as this independent, feisty women, marry someone that. She loves a lot, seems to love her, seems to really see her. And then we meet her as a 44-year-old, I think, housewife, unseen by her husband, very bored, no adventure, no excitement, no appreciation. And she goes on this trip to Greece with a friend, played by young Alison Stedman. I think John Alumnies in this as well, and ends up staying in Greece.

And it's a great film about empowerment and, I don't know, you know, just sort of like doing the thing for yourself. it never being too late. I think it was nominated for an Oscar. I think she was nominated an Oscar. It's a very camp fun film and I would, it's one for the ladies, so I would highly recommend that anyone watch that because she was just fantastic. I think she was one of the greats. I'm really wracking my brains. I can't remember if I've watched it, but it's been so in the ether of my existence that I kind of feel like I have, but I'm not sure. Where are we streaming this? Good point. I actually watched it on, I think I rented it. Basically, I have just watched this quite recently because I rented it for my sisters.

hen party it was a raucous affair and it was really really fun and i feel like either i we watched on youtube or rented on youtube or something i think it will be a lot of places to be fair okay that's good to know speaking of like current recommendations it's really funny because i got asked for something to send in like a book that i'd love this year so i got really excited something about all the books i read then they clarified a book that had been published this year and i panicked because I have really kind of actively been trying to not read just the current new books out. It's a trend that you can fall into if you're in this kind of world because you got sent proofs all the time. And I've been through periods where I've only really read new releases.

And I feel a bit embarrassed sometimes that I haven't read half the canon. So I've been reading old books. Thankfully, the book that I've just finished, the one that I want to recommend, was published this year. I was trying to, I saw back last night at an event and I was trying to explain it and just kept falling flat on my face. It's really difficult to explain. but it's called Lauren Ipsum and Lauren Ipsum is the text that you see when you're like building a website

or it's like it's a dummy text it's scrambled Latin letters it doesn't mean anything it's just what's been used since the 1500s in like publishing and like graphic design and stuff as a placeholder for where text should go but in this book Lauren Ipsen Lauren Ipsen is a

English literary journalist who goes to Paris to write a monograph about this writer Adam Wendell who's really reclusive and a bit strange and while she's there what starts to happen is this terrorist organization that uses Wendell's slogans starts killing authors. There's all these awful things that happen. But the book is also kind of not that because it's about writing and like writing itself and language itself. And the whole book is

it's quite a tricky book to read, but it's also fascinating. And it's a commentary on what writing is today on what it means to be a writer. And it's kind of, it is a thriller in that it's kind of about people being murdered, but it's more about like what it metaphorically means to kill an author. It's actually extremely hard to explain. I would recommend reading it. About halfway through you will be like, I don't think I know what's happening. And then you sort of get into it because it's quite surreal. There's a mermaid, but that's just kind of fine that that's happening. I still can't really explain it, but you just have to read it. There's still, there's like four ratings on good reads and no reviews. But I was reading up about the author Andrew Gallix and he's

so interesting. So he apparently tried to write this book in his 20s, which he could never finish. Then he published this like 600 page book that's of reviews. And apparently I read a review of the book of reviews, which is apparently incredible. And this book is like the companion to that. It's the book that he never finished in his 20s, but has finished it now. It's very complicated. It does make you feel a bit dumb, but I kind of love that when I read. Did that make any sense? It made sense in that it made me want to read it. It seems like a book that you're, you just have to trust someone and read. I mean, it's got, yeah, two reviews on Amazon.

This is a book. This is a book. How did you find this book? It was just on the table in Waterstones and I read the back of it. And I was like, that sounds really fascinating. Because also from the reviews are like if Ketamon and something else happened. And then it's like, because it's not the story that I've tried to explain. It's actually not that.

It's like a million other things. And what's so interesting is Lauren Ipsum is also an emblem of, so she is a woman. but then after a while you're like, is she a woman or is she like the blank holding space that represents what like the literary criticism world is like everything is what it is and it's not what it is at the same time and there's the chapters kind of jump from different genres and there's these really funny conversations at parties like it's also very funny

what's interesting is it's very current as well there's lots of references to Instagram and substack and how like everyone thinks they're writing out like it's quite if you allow yourself to you can feel a bit attacked but it's fascinating this feels like a book that I will enjoy it feels like a book that I will kick and scream about and then

pick up and be like actually that was really worth the squeeze I like a weird book I like an interestingly written book especially in this I feel like you sort of escaped the rat race of you've got to read this is the one book everyone's reading you've got to read this you went to the bookshop as we all should do picked up something fancied it and read it it also feels like the book that you explain

to your maybe not most literary friend and they're like, girl, no, absolutely not. Yeah, I think it's also probably a book that you could pick up and just read bits of and then like reread a chapter and I think I'll probably like read it again and go in because I was really trying to read it like a story and then you just, it starts off and you're like, lovely story and then you're like, whoa, sorry, what? So I'm sure it's one that you could dip in and out of. But that is how I've been doing books.

I've been going into Waterstones, purely off vibes, judging books by their covers and purchasing them and not trying not to look at good reads for these or that's why I didn't realize that this book like no one had read it. I just assumed if it's on a table at Waterstones people are braving about it. Do I mean? You plus one Waterstones employee, you are the book club. Exactly. So I do actually have an up-to-day recommendation. It's not a book, but it is, it's a piece in the Atlantic that I read, actually listened to called The Missing Kayaker from November 7th, no, 6th, about a possible, I don't want to give too much way, an incident, a possible crime that took place in 2024. And I haven't heard of this case, but no doubt there'll be

some true crime heads who had. But it follows the story of a 44-year-old called Ryan Borgward, who goes out kayaking one evening on a lake called Big Green Lake, one of the deepest lakes in Wisconsin. And it's late at night, his wife wants him home. He's, they're exchanging. texting text messages. She's a bit frustrated, but not. It's not super unusual. It's a little bit of a ters exchange, but it's fine. He puts on his life 360 tracking. She goes to sleep. When she wakes up at 5am, he's not there. So she calls the police and they go looking, find his vehicle still parked, his kayak floating, I think, upside down on the water. And it seems quite a clean cut a very tragic case and what follows is this search and rescue effort just in the lake

for months I think which turns up nothing and it's there's a lot of uncertainty for his wife and three children not about what's happened but about recovering the body and beginning that kind of grieving process and then as with these stories big twist which I won't reveal it's the kind of story that I just struggle to believe can and does happen. I listened to the, because I was mooching around yesterday, so I listened to on the Atlantic, which was about an hour and ten, which is a long time for me to, I wouldn't listen to a true crime podcast that length, but this is so well written. It's such good reporting. I was really, really gripped by it. It never felt salacious. It never felt unnecessary in its

detail. And actually the, but I found really interesting was they talk to, I don't really talk to. It's just such a well-told story, but we learn about the divers and the search and rescue team, which is the brothers, I think they call the Cornican brothers, and they are in the lake. They are using sonar to find him. And I was just fascinated by their line of work and how seriously they take it and how much dignity they attach. When they began this work, one of the brothers was like in the lake, just swimming around feeling for a body. And I was like, that is the most terrifying thing I've ever found. And I think he found one that way. And then there was this technology with, like, like basically was a thing that they would use grappling hooks, which, not to be graphic, but if they found anything, it would disfigure and it would, it was just, again, not a very dignified way to go about that. And so they invented the sonar technology to kind of bounce around the water and recover people that way. I found that really interesting. If this story is not already a documentary, I'm sure it will be. It's just one of those nuts cases that is delivered with a kind of sensitivity, but also does not.

It's just like, wow, that happened. It's like the opposite of a lot of modern true crime reporting, I think. So good. I kind of want you to read it so we can talk about it. Yeah, that is fascinating. And thank you for reminding me because some of those Atlantic long meds are so long. And I kind of forget that you can listen to them. I always forget that that is an option.

Although, is that on all of them or only some? I wonder whether it is just on, because I think, and this might be, again, me being ignorant and not knowing what's AI, but it sounded like a real person was narrating it versus the text to speech, which is on a lot of things, or a lot people can switch it on. So I think maybe it's there, maybe at a certain length they switch it on, because I think many people are now not reading so much, maybe at a certain number of predicted hits. I don't know, actually. I'm just looking to find you.

That is why I sometimes don't do it because it is just text to speech, because I got really excited sometimes when it's like, play this article. And you're like, okay. And then it's like, the man went over the, but now you've said about AI, I wonder if it is just that AI has got so evolved that it is just talking. So maybe it is that probably. I've heard a few AI narrations and I was like, oh no, that sounds like a real person with like real intonation. I think there's like an in-breath at one point. I was like, oh, good God. So I don't know. I'm not going to tug on this thread and find out who

narrated it. But it is by Jamie Thompson and we will link this piece in the show notes. Real Housewives of London premiered this summer in August and a lot of people including myself were curious as to how this beloved show would fare across the Atlantic. Although I kind of forgot it is actually the third UK-based Real Housewives franchise. Cheshire is in its 18th series. I think I watched the first one. It kind of passed me by that that was still going on. And then Jersey wasn't renewed after the second season.

But despite this, I think that London was really hotly anticipated as a new component to the franchise because it feels very different. Can these rich, posh Londoners compete with the American-style drama of their counterparts across the pond? The answer is yes. The series follows eight women navigating London's ultra-wealthy social circles, balancing old money, new money and country piles. There's glamorous events, designer drama and class tensions with the expected house wives mix of alliances, gossip and fallouts. And the series sees the women get into blows over some dubious dentistry, aka Teethgate, renting outfits, not picking up the bill and the definition of best friend.

The reunion was actually my favourite part of the series. And that's kind of what I really want to get into, but we will discuss the series as a whole. So the reunion was hosted by Catherine Ryan and the two part of was really explosive but also emotional. and I genuinely find it quite moving apart. So I would love to know what you made of the series as a whole and if you enjoyed the reunion. So I watched The Reunion part one, and not knowing it was part one of two until quite late yesterday,

I thought that was good, but there was a lot unfinished. And then I went back on Amazon Prime, thank God, and saw during my work day that there was another part to it. So I watched that again during the work day, but I guess it was work at that point. I loved the series. I think the series blew my socks off. As reality TV goes, it delivered on those points.

The reunion compared to, well, just compared to nothing, but also I'm going to compare it to the Selling Sunset Reunion, which was hosted by Tan France of Queer Eye, was Dross. I'm so sorry, it just did not work for me. This, however, really worked. I think Catherine Ryan is made for this kind of work. It's a difficult job. These women do not shut up.

They talk over each other. They do listen to her to an extent, but she did a really good job of remaining cool and very funny and delegating between the fieriness of these women so you could still get some answers and some good content whereas I think Tan France for Selling Sunset if no one's not watched it. He just kind of was defeating the women answers

and information that really dampens the drama. And I do think reunion shows can be a bit. I mean it's a hard sell because it's basically like you've seen all this before. It's just dialogue, essentially a few clips. It's rehashing stuff that you have just watched but it was great it was really really good and I agree I think there were some bits where I was like oh that I felt very bad for the women just for what they go through as well as just having to

live in this really and maybe they don't all the time but the series was so confrontational it just looked really really exhausting and I did find it I mean they were getting upset off screen and we've talked about this before they were getting upset off screen and then being filmed and then asking not to be filmed. And it just was that glimpse behind the curtain where you're like, fuck, these are real people and they're actually probably, as much as it seems as they have limitless ability to just go and go and go for each other, they do get worn out. But yeah, all of that to say, I just, I loved it. I loved this series so much. So I watched Selling Sunset after you took, because I messed you being like, oh my God, the Real House size of London region is

insane. And you were like, really because the Selling Sunset one is awful. So I went and watched selling sunset and I was shocked. I was like, it can't be that bad. It was terrible. I found it so dry. I thought that Tam France did a really bad job of getting to anything interesting. I don't know if it was the formulaic thing at the start. I think Catherine I was helped by the fact that Amanda Cronin and Julia Angus were coming to blows before they'd even started. Like the production team had to come in and be like, right, women, that's enough. They just carried on shouting. So she was always already working with quite a lot of tension and material. Whereas I do think that selling sunset. The characters on that show, they all seem quite burnt out and very self-aware

and almost couldn't be asked to be at the reunion. There was no intention of sort of mending things. They made their beds. They're going to lie in them. They know who their friends are and they know who their enemies are and they seem pretty pleased with that. They were turning up for what felt like contractual reasons. And maybe that is just from a show that's been running for longer. But I agree. I thought that Tan France, I actually was feeling awkward watching it. It was like He didn't know what he was going to say next. He, I don't know if it was the presence of Brett and Jason. It all just felt very awkward and clunky.

And I feel sorry for him, but I just don't think it was very good. And it got me thinking because what I thought was so fascinating on the reunion, the Real Housewives reunion was having Catherine Ryan at the helm. She was being joking. She was like taking the piss out of Amanda's like mouthing, I'm a CEO. She was, you know, she was getting her hands dirty. but she was also being quite maternal with the women. She was, it felt like a group therapy session.

And I think that previously maybe when like Andy Cohen has hosted it, I've never thought about this before and I hate to be like all men or women, but maybe the men feel less of an emotional inclination to actually find a resolve and they kind of want to spark fireworks. And I think that Andy Cohen loved to dip his little toe in and try and, you know, say something that might rile them up. Whereas Catherine Ryan, it felt like she was genuinely being, she seemed like she really cared for the women

and she felt like she was giving them really solid advice they all were quite open-hearted as well. I found really interesting. It was like they wanted to mend these bonds. They clearly are really good friends. That reunion made me think, oh, they're way better friends than we think whereas normally a reunion happens and we said this before, they kind of, you find out

none of them have spoken since filming. They were never actually really good friends. They were only doing scenes together because they had to. And I think the real housewives of London maybe is just because it's in its infancy and maybe they always started off like that and I've forgotten but there's something that feels very different and the women interestingly were quite willing to be self-aware. I think every single one of them apologized for what they'd done even if it was very begrudgingly

they kind of were able to panthea kind of sat up and said I watched myself back and I was really embarrassed and I thought God she's a bigger woman than me because I think if I'd kind of embarrass myself on TV like that I'd have to double down because it's too much to be like I didn't mean to do that and she was just like yeah I watched it back and I thought what are you doing like I wish I hadn't said that whereas you go to selling sunset and you've got Nicole sitting there being like was it offensive when I called your Deb Parenthood drug addict so I don't really get it

like it was talk and cheese and I think it was both where those people are at in their series of their show but I do think it was a lot to do with the host as well yeah I think it's a lot about the Britishness of them and definitely host because Catherine Ryan did feel like a sort of

therapist type in moments where she would receive the information that was being said and then react to it and be like, I think that you feel this. And I think that she feels that you've done this, which was actually really helpful. And I didn't, it didn't, as much as it did sometimes seem to mollify them a little bit. It just didn't like dampen anything. I really liked her little asides. I liked when they were all going, you've had this money from your divorce. You've done this and you've done this. And she was like, okay, I guess the takeaway here is,

everyone here has had help from men except me. Cheers. I thought she was just fantastic. and yeah so chalky and cheesy it looks so easy from the outside but as both of us have done not these kind of interviews before but like interviewing multiple people at once I've done two and that was difficult I've done that threesome and I was like oh my god never again she's there with like I think I would burst into tears with the energy in that room just immediately so I think she did so fantastic I hope I do hope that the series goes on I mean it does seem to be gathering steam I can't really imagine maybe one or two of them maybe Juliet Mayhew who is an Australian

English I think she's got some connection to some royal family somewhere I can see her maybe blaming out and not wanting to do this

but I think those women will want I think they're in now and if you survive a series like this I mean the drama of this series I was trying to work out

what drama I really enjoyed and what I wasn't too I found toothgate dentist gate fine I thought the borrowing

the dresses was not an interesting drama but like I really got into later in this series where one of the characters is accusing another character of living in Paddington, as though it is just, that is just the worst thing you can say to someone and she's screaming at her. So Amanda's screaming at one of the Julietts going, go back to your swamp, go back to

Paddington. She does not give a shit. I am kind of obsessed with Amanda. She is maybe one of the worst women, but she is so, she just gets up in someone's face and says, go back to your swamp, go back to Paddington. And it's difficult for me not to find that kind of iconic, as disgusting as it is. So I listened to her on Wednesday's podcast because I saw that Sophia Boo and Melissa Tatum had interviewed her and Nessie Walsinger and she, did you get to the end of the second part of the reunion or not? No. I did. Yeah, I've watched the whole thing now. You did. So because what I was going to say is she definitely does say the most cutting things. She's absolutely, but in a way, she's still quite lovable. And then you see her kind of break down about abandonment. And you think, God, I'm so sorry that this woman

is dealing with this so late. Because one of the great things I do think about are probably over-therapized, overly introspective generation is that we do come to face these deep-rooted traumas or whatever things that might cause us to have these childlike outbursts. Maybe in our 20s and 30s, like I think we get there sooner than these women. and who were all dealing with quite clearly. And as Catherine Ryan points out, like the reason they're so successful, the reason they're so defensive, the reason they come to blows is they've all got like these wounds inside them

and hurt people, hurt people, etc. Anyway, I don't know if this episode of the podcast was recorded post-reunion because Amanda starts doubling down. She's like, the thing is she says she lives in Notting Hill, but she doesn't, she lives in Paddington. But in the reunion, everyone's like, guys, you live in the same borough. Like, there's however many boroughs in London, you live in the same one. It's just so funny.

then she accuses her of having like fake Picasso's fake art in a house she says it's all staged their obsession with money is something which actually i do kind of find funny but find quite uncomfortable and the thing which i cannot get my head around and i really thought it was going to be resolved in the show and this is where katherine ryan was a bigger woman than me because she kind of sat back and let them be cross about it but the whole thing with julia angus invites all of the housewives to this castle in scotland which she is she used to say she owned and now she's had to admit that she is the second biggest shareholder because of panthea being like, you don't actually own it. I imagine this trip cost thousands. They flew there on a private

jet, tens of thousands. They have like three meals a day. It's caviar at champagne. At the end of the trip, the women are presented with the bill for like a couple hundred quid each, which I would obviously think as a load of money and be really scared of. But they're all like, it was only £150. It was just the fact that we got this bill. And all of the women turn against her because They think it's so rude, so embarrassing, so awful that they got this bill for kind of like after hours drinks that they'd had. And I was so confused by this because if my friend invited me to anything and then there was a little bill that after over, I would be amortified that I'd spent over the amount that they were spending, would absolutely pay it and not say anything

and just be so grateful and also be a bit then probably strapped for cash for the rest of the month if I was presented with like a £400 bill. I just can't get around. They were so angry about this bill and I'm like is that a must be an etiquette thing but they really meant like it was the biggest insult to all of them I couldn't I really wanted Catherine Ryan to be like guys this is mad but she didn't she kind of she allowed the group to make the decision which was that this was like a betrayal of size make proportions what did you make of that one I actually think this was some of my favourite drama because it does expose those differences in these women and the just the civilians, the 99%, I think panther at certain points, maybe once or twice, says,

it's £400, it's neither here or there, and just that blew my mind. And you're like, that is such a significant amount of money. But again, if you scale it to whatever that actually is, 20 quid, you do cover that for your friends, or you cover it and you don't expect your friend to cover it. There's no real, unless it really is just like Venmoing or Monsor requesting someone for chewing gum or a can of Coke, which I think maybe made it easier for me to understand it. I was like, okay, yeah, I wouldn't do that. So maybe it is the equivalent of doing that and just being kind of petty with the money. But it was a hotel that did it. It felt, but again, I really enjoyed it because I do enjoy these gnarly conversations about

money and how aghast people are at the idea that they would have to spend a bit more, even though they've had this gorgeous trip, I know they spend most of the trip screeching each other and it gets really ugly at the dinner table several times where someone calls panthea a swinger, someone else. I mean, it's just some of the nastiest things I've ever heard in my life. Maybe after that you would be like, I should have been allowed. My drinks should have been calmed. But that, I think, was some of my favourite drama, because it did seem to expose something in everyone that was not necessarily very flattering. Four hundred pounds is a huge amount of money. I don't know whether that was Panthea's bill being a lot more, who had the

bill of 400 pounds for, and it wasn't, didn't even seem for that much stuff, like some spice margaritas, stuff like that, it just exposed like a really, just an ugly, an ugliness that you kind of can't look away from. But yeah, that was my favorite drama of the season. I have to say, and I don't know if it's just because it's funny, selling suns, I'm not reality TV, but selling sunset and Real Housewives of London have become shows that I am just obsessed with, although selling sunset, I do think it's on its last legs. I think that Real Housewives could end up being such a big franchise. And Nassie and Amanda say this in the episode of Wednesday's podcast they say we're going international like this show is now being broadcast in all these

different countries like it's a big housewise franchise and i think it has legs and i'm excited to see where it goes what are your predictions do you think that this could become part of the housewise canon i think absolutely i think what these women gain from this means that they will come back and they will dig deep if this is series one if they are coming at each other like that it definitely has the juice. I think it could be, I can't imagine there is a shortage of women. And you see like adjacent characters. You see Housewives from other franchises, which is quite funny. I think this absolutely has legs. My prediction would be season two is worse than ever, by which I mean better than ever. I think one of the Housewives will drop out, maybe consider it not worth their time

or whatever money it might make them. I think Amanda will, Amanda's a single woman. She is a CEO So, but I think there is a precarity there in being a single woman. A lot of these women do have rich husbands and that is where they've located themselves. There is an element of safety. I think one of the housewives will get a divorce by series two. But I think it will, I think it will join the others. I mean, I can't speak for Americans. I don't know what American taste is like.

And maybe this one will seem twee and silly when you have watched the madness of the American ones. But I would love to hear from American listeners, actually, if they agree or disagree. I think this could absolutely run and run. I think it could be as key a part of the canon in a way that, no offense, Real House of Cheshire, has not been. So on November 6th, pretty little liars start,

Shea Mitchell launched a new line of sheet masks for children and everyone's writing about it from glamour to Marie Claire, the New York Post and the Metro, and not an insignificant number of you guys in our DMs as well. So is this a dystopian nightmare or just a bit of harmless fun that's been blown out of proportion. Let's find out. Mitchell writes, quote, We created Rini because we wanted products that are gentle, trustworthy and inspire creativity

elevated by Korean innovation. Rini is where skincare meets play, a world where kids can dream, transform, and explore with dermatologists tested products parents trust. Our mission is simple, to nurture healthy habits, spark confidence and make thoughtfully crafted daily care essentials and play products accessible to every family. copyright has had a lot of fun with that what do you make of this anoni we've not talked about this do you think that kids should be allowed to play adjacent with these kind of adult beauty product or should we stick in the garden with mud pies in a dream like we used to do what your thoughts off i think the framing of it the fact that it's mentioned you know what's in it

the fact that it's, you know, it's a product you're going to have to buy for your children. It's marketing towards children. All of that sits heavily with me, the idea that perhaps it could be something that would better their skin. At the same time, I have young nieces. And if my niece, Matilda, saw me putting on a face mask, she would demand a face mask. She would want to be part of fun. She would find that really enjoyable.

She loves boring my lip balm. She wants to play with a bronze brass. Like children do want to imitate their parents. And I used to force my mum, not as young as this is being marketed. like these are kind of like toddlers they're being marketed at, but I would drag my mom to boots and or super drug and make her buy me one of those like 79P peel off face masks. They were my favorite thing to do.

And I'm imagining they're actually probably terrible for your skin. I don't know what is in those. And as much as skin is a cosmetic thing, skin is also like the biggest organism in the body, like everything presents in the skin. You can kind of, there's probably something to be said for it's not great for kids to be putting like that kind of crap on their skin

because it is also like the skin on your face is, important for more reasons than just what it looks like. So on the one hand, I actually can understand that little girls that want to play, maybe it is good to have an option that is gentle on their skin, but then it is also the darker side of it, which I very rarely see, but every now and then I will get a pre-teen girl, like really young, come off from my Explore feed, who is doing her, get ready with me for school routine, and she's putting on more creams than I do. She's doing gouache art. She's then finishing off with a look gloss. She's got one of special headbands that keeps your hair of your face and I start to feel actually sick and want

to report the content because I'm like what is happening in the world and with that existing it just doesn't feel innocent enough for me the framing but at the same time I'm like little girls always want to imitate like what parents do I used to think I think me and my sisters would maybe sometimes also they got told off for this because of food waste but maybe got like an avocado bit of yogurt and honey or something that we'd read in a magazine or my sisters had read smush that together they'd shove that on our faces. It would go brown and get really sticky and then we'd be able to get it off. We'd just make stuff out of like stuff in the kitchen to shove on our faces because in all the films, all the girls are slapping on, you know, whatever on their face. I also remember

wanting to put a pie on my face because I missed a doubtfire, which is innocent play, probably not great for your skin. So I'm actually quite torn. I think it's ultimately problematic. I think it's a scary place if you frame it like that. And everyone has been up in arms. Like the immediate reaction has been horror. And I do think it's bad because of the fact that like, young girls shouldn't have to be using skincare parents shouldn't have to feel like they're buying expensive skin care of their children that is so icky at the same time in a different climate with the different marketing thing if these just existed and it was like kid friendly face masks next to the adult ones i can imagine a mom in a supermarket being like oh i'll get that for my

daughter because i'll put mine on she could put hers on and at least i know she's not going to come out in a rash or something what do you think of it so my first instinct was one of like sinking dread because it is, and especially reading that from Shea, it's that leaning on creativity. And I think what you've said is the creativity that it's like necessity is the mother of invention. And when you're a little girl, you don't have the little beauty fridge full of perfectly tailored skincare from the age of whatever this is aimed at. You do have to find an egg cracker. You do have to make a bit of a potion with it. And I think that is where it seems it's more fun because then it's communal and it's almost like,

oh, it's a special treat. You're like, I'm going to make a sheet mask because it's spa night and I'm doing this for my sister and we're kind of on one and it's a bit fun. Whereas I think this seems to encourage children and I think there's another brand that does the same thing. It's like skincare for children especially and it's encouraging like a routine. And I think that is where it feels like a cash grab and it feels like almost a robbing of the fun and the play element that little girls should have and do have and will always have because it's just a big part of growing up is mimicking adults. behaviors and trying to figure out what it means to be a woman while very firmly still being

a little girl. I did try to see both sides of this because I leapt to the, this is hideous and horrible in the world, is a dumps to fire? And I thought, well, let's have a look. Like, let's have a thing. Is it such a big deal? There's a case we made for, I mean, children's faces do. They get some burnt, for example. They can get dry. There are another one of these brands, which I think is called Poutisu, which I think is problematic. Maybe I'll get into that. also make this sun cream which is like a fun little powder puff looking thing, which would encourage little girls to reapply it more often in the sun, be protected. So there is that argument. There's also an argument being made that it's like teeth cleaning. It's like they'll

make healthy habits in childhood. It'll be easy to maintain them in adulthood. And I hear that, but I do think it's a bit of a reach and I do think it doesn't really make up for the potential ill effects of encouraging children to have a skincare routine long before their skin is doing anything but glowing to spend their time needlessly. I mean, we've done so many episodes on this, so many conversations about the material cost of beautifying yourself and skincare routines, but also the time cost, and this is for little girls, it's little boys probably not in the same numbers will ask for this and ask their friends if they're doing it. And then beg their parents to have it. And it's like also cleansing and doing things like that.

Little skin does not overwhelmingly does not need that. And it just, I think it's the kind of thing that will remind if I was a little girl and I was thinking about preventative sun protection to prevent against wrinkles, it's one of those things that makes you think about like aging and growing up and dying long. And it just feels like it's introducing that long before it needs to be. I genuinely as a little girl did not fear aging. I knew nothing about it. I thought, well, I'm a child, and then I'll be a young woman who doesn't have wrinkles, and I'll get them at some point. And maybe I'm vaguely scared of it because of how society treats older women, but it was not something I thought about. The idea of children becoming

more and more aware of those things via the medium of someone else making a bark too much time on social media, it feels like, it just feels like little girls involving themselves. No, it feels like adult women involving little girls in this massive multi-billion dollar industry that is basically beauty-proofing. And I hate that. When I think it that way, it just makes me feel sad. It's not a treat. It's not a fun game of pampering. It is, you're one of us now. You need a routine. And I just, I just really don't like it. No, that is it. And when you think about the money of it all, that's the problem. Because if it is just fun and it's play and it's silly and it's just like it's the fact that it does I mean everything you said when I I remember specifically

being a little girl and I remember thinking I can't wait I remember what really being excited to be an adult so I could have a wallet with cards in it I remember being like I kind of wait for the day when I need to have a wallet and I was also really excited to the day when I'd need to have a make up bag but I didn't want one I just knew that one day I'd have a makeup bag with makeup in it and I remember getting to uni and I think one Christmas my mom got me like a makeup bag with a zip and like compartments from journalist and I remember being like oh my god I'm here made it. I did not start moisturising my face. I don't think

until I was at uni. I used to use a makeup wipe and just sort of move my makeup around my face and then go to sleep. Often just not take it off. And it's really only then I went through in my mid-20s kind of putting on everything on my face, like stripping probably the actual skin from my

face with the amount of scrubbing that I was doing. Now at 30 I'm like, okay face wash, moisturiser in the morning face wash, moisturiser, sun cream. Like I don't do anything else. And you're right, it was such a distant thing for me. I did not have a remote fear of aging. I didn't even really think about my skin unless I had a spot. Then in that case, it was just dream map moose straight on that spot.

The face mask thing, it was purely because I wanted to peel it off. It was nothing to do with like what I actually thought it was going to do to my skin. It was sensational. It was texture. It was like, it was fun to put things on our faces because we wanted to be like the girls that we saw in the films, like the cheerleaders or the girls at the sleepover. Then we wanted to eat sweets. I don't think I actually looked at like what my face, my skin looked like at all. And when you think about, if I think about the thing that did have so much of an impact on me,

which is so ridiculous, but became a crutch was fake tan, which I'm now at 31, like, weaning myself off having a fake tan for months. And I really struggle with it still to the day, like every morning I wake up and I'm like, which is awful. But that's because that was something that was drilled into me to be scared of like being pale and then it wasn't attractive. And so if I think how much that one single thing impacted me and that was, probably from my early teens.

If we're doing that to little girls, it might seem like nothing, you're right, it might just seem like it's a face mask. But if they're getting them mastering underneath that, that's the problem, I think. I think if they just think they're putting on a face mask like mummy, don't know as much about,

like don't think it means anything. I think that kind of can be okay. But in this world, if they're figuring out, like actually we're doing this because it's going to make my skin Barry look better and this is Korean skin. Like they don't need to know any of that. And that is,

I think it's really hard to separate those two things and the capitalism of it all, the fact that it's becoming an industry, the fact that we've spoken about this before, but in that book that was all about kind of the leaks of what Meta and Facebook do about how ads are targeted towards young girls who delete their selfies because they know they're going to be feeling vulnerable. The world is not a nice, kind place to children. They will try and find a new market to sell to. They will go younger and younger. They will find people that are going to feel the need to shop to make themselves. feel better and they do people they have no scruples and they I just mean big corporations money making industries you know there is no last place they'll go and so I think that's in the context of all of that it is really hard to see this in a vacuum because it doesn't exist in that

even though I also I'm like if we lived in a in a perfect society where little girls weren't starting to feel the shame and like I said I didn't see those videos of young girls popping up there is a world where this is kind of innocent and fine and it's just like oh it's actually quite good for their skin and they just think it's fun but you can't strip away the context well that's it's it's and the context is it's essentially making it is telling young girls what they will end up spending their own money on it's priming them to spend it on all of this and it's really interesting that it's kind of two women in their 30s making this like we're sitting here talking about the journey we've been on to almost undo all

of that condition that we got which was much softer in fact than this I know that that there was a lot of, we definitely didn't grow up in a time where skin confidence was a thing. It was very much like, oh, you're spotty, you're dirty, it means you've been eating too much fast food. Like, I think education about skincare was really lacking for us, but we have arrived at this point and we're like, okay, the work begins, putting down the fake tan, simplifying my routine, accepting the lines on my face that will only get deeper. I do not have Chris Jenner's surgeon's number. I don't have the password needed or the money needed to get that procedure at some point, this is going to move my face, it will get older.

Whereas on the flip side, you have people being like, caching, business opportunity. And that depresses me. But I guess it's also a question of like what age should young people, what age is appropriate? And I think it's just needs based, isn't it? It's like you have that, I remember that first trip to booth with my mom, the first, whatever it was called, like the, what was the one that teenagers, it was really targeted at Neutrogena or something?

It was really targeted teenagers. Yeah, or Claricilil. That's it. and you sort of like burn the hell out of yourself by using the wrong product it's and so for some in some ways I'm like okay maybe it is a better time to be a young person with regards to skin care like I'll see gen z gen alpha out with those pimple patches on their face like it's almost not an embarrassing thing to be like hey I've got a pimple under here it's and sometimes I can look at it and be like things are getting better but also it's the anti-aging products that are being sought

younger and younger, the idea, the worries about skin, the idea of encouraging younger people than already concerned about that is, because we do live in a time of like the Sephora tween. And I was reading, according to research by the global cosmetic industry, 68% of Gen Z and Gen Alpha have a skincare routine. And it's Gen Z that are spending the most money on skincare. Same research also shows that 50% of children age between 6 and 16 want to buy a beauty product because they've seen an influencer or content creator use it and things are shifting and changing and it feels like a symptom of that that we should I guess pay attention to because it is younger and younger girls the internet is this free open marketplace you might think

that the kids are just watching age-appropriate content and that may be the case but it's age-appropriate content might not be swearing it might not be sexual it might not be violent but it is there's an element of commerce to it that will change the way they think, change the way they want to spend their money and change the way that they think they should spend their money in their time. And I think that is really seeing a little girl put this very adult, like these are probably nicest skincare products than I own. I know they're really gentle, but it's like it's almost looking into her future of you might as well start now because she'll get there in the end. And I was surprised to see, you know, some mothers in the comment

being like it is no big deal and maybe they just weren't they have a good relationship with their children they trust them they trust they're not going to get you know hooked on beauty at age four but I was really it just felt like something sacred had been lost like it was a really adult image of this little girl laying a sheet mask perfectly on her face it just felt I think the pimple patches is such a good thing to bring up because I'm also so jealous that we didn't have that I think they're so cool and I also feel like I'm too old to kind of go out in public with one on now so I do just have to let my spots roam free across my face but I wish we'd had those at school because the mortification of having and that dream at moose it would kind of go on the

spot and then the spot would peek out the middle so you just have this like volcano with white cream around it like I never I could never make it stay on it having a pimple patch would have saved me so many break times where I decided to hide in the loo and just keep applying dream map moose and you also reminded with Claril the thing that I used to love were those nose patches you'd put on where you'd peel off all your blackheads. That was the dream. Because teenage skin is prone to breakouts and teenagers are very insecure. It's a really difficult time and there's so much research to say that like acne breakouts can be one of the biggest instigators in like mental health issues with young people. But this is three and up and that's the difference. Like having really

interesting innovative ways for young teenage people who are going through the biggest changes. You're very self-aware. You're very self-conscious. You're experiencing hormonal changes. You're attracted to people like the way that you look becomes one of the most important things to you but at three the whole point is you don't give a shit like you could literally have done a poo and then you've like picked up your poo and then you're showing it to your mum and then you're touching a face like that is kind of what three-year-olds or two-year-olds could be doing with their time which feels much more formative and I think that's the thing it's so young and I can see that I don't know why I can see the angle but there is a while where I'm like it's fine but actually when you

think about how young they are like they have those I remember having those lipsticks that almost like chalk that you put on that don't really do anything and you have you have imitations of adult play but even that I think more and more it's dying down where people are recognizing the importance of not reinforcing gender norms on young girls and the importance of offering them different forms of play and the importance of encouraging them to be boisterous and get outside because it is always girls that suffer and I think you're right I think that it's it's creating a solution for a problem that we have created. And if your child really wants to

face mask with you, then yeah, give them like, I don't know, nivia and let them put that on their face. God, I was obsessed with putting sued cream. There are so many pictures of both my sisters stark naked in the living room. My mom had this massive pot of sued cream and they would just cover themselves in it and she'd come in like, oh no. And they'd just be be beaming. Like, you know, and you see those dogs that have done something wrong. That was them. Just like, it's all about play. It's about texture. It's about, it's about, it's. It's about mimicking adults, but it's not actually about having good skincare. It's play.

And that's where I think maybe the marketing around this is slightly deceptive and a bit malevolent because this isn't play. This is capitalism. Yeah. Well, it is. And basically capitalism is what you said. It's like creating a problem and then selling the solution. And it's, I think skincare is very precise in that it is a pursuit of perfection.

As lovely, I really enjoy a sheet mask. I try not to use, you know, I think they are wasteful, but there's a case we made that it's self-care for an adult. It does actually do the things that I need it to do. It soothes my skin. It does all these things that little girls don't need. But the messaging is it's about perfection and a pursuit of perfection. And making a little girl aware of that, it just feels like something sacred. I think I've said that a million times, but that is the way to keep coming back to. And there was actually, there was a beast and a guardian last year by Eva Wiseman, which was about tween skincare but I think it hits the nail on the head and she writes quote if my daughter

and her friends were getting excited about makeup rather than skincare i think i'd find it less disturbing the fantasy the dressing up the transformation the glitter the rinsing of it all off at night time and starting again in the morning instead i fear their attraction to perfection there's never been more pressure to have perfect skin and by perfect oddly i mean skin like theirs skin that hasn't seen more than 10 summers that appears paulus and wrinkle-free dewy a forehead that reflects the classroom and if your skin can't be perfect, then it must at least be good. This is perhaps one of the last bases in which appearance can still be merrily summarised as good or bad. Bad being flawed, meaning pigmented or spotty or dry or loose, and bad

implying as well. At best, poor health, at worst, immorality. We do live in a world where skin, even as we fluctuate in terms of body positivity in the media, skin still is that bastion of it should be good, there's no excuse for it not to be good, the science is out there. it's getting to tweens and tweens, as we've talked about, tweens and Gen Z are spending a lot on their skincare, they're dabbling in anti-aging creams a lot younger. And it just feels like that needle is dropping below tweens. And it's that stuff that this was written last year. I don't think even Eva Wiseman was in the article thinking that it could go lower than kind of maybe just 10 years old, just about prepubescent. This is like fresh out of the womb. And it's like, we know,

It's like baby soft skin, soft as a baby's bottom. The marketing for years has been, we want children's skin. It's a really creepy way to say. But it's already perfect. It's just, at some point, it's going to be you and your baby doing the same placenta sheet mask moments after they've entered this hell world. Next up, an album hotly anticipated globally, but very much also on this podcast, and that is Lux. record by Spanish singer and songwriter Rosalia. According to Pitchfork, it's a, quote, heartfelt offering of avant-garde, classical pop that rules through genre, romance and religion. The BBC called

it radical and riveting, and Enemy said it's, quote, an arresting album of astonishing scope and ambition. The 33-year-old, who is a trained flamenco singer, sings in 13 different languages on the album, including Japanese, Arabic, Portuguese, Latin and Sicilian, and worked for a year writing the lyrics and working with professional translators to make sure that they were just right. It is currently receiving an avalanche of five-star reviews for artistry, composition, narrative, lyrics, you name it. Sir Ruchera, who is currently on her holes, mentioned in the last week's episode that she had listened to and loved Rosalia's interview on the New York Times podcast about this album, which we will link again in the show notes, but just as a recap, she had

this to say about the interview and her anticipation for the album. My God, I am convinced that there are artists in dominant mainstream pop culture again after listening to her on that podcast. It was insane. It was amazing. I am so excited for her new album Lux. She was essentially talking about putting herself in exile to write this album, which she sings in 13 different languages, is operatic. And just this idea of really wanting to challenge her audience with not just spoon feeding them what they want and trying to give them what they need. And we've spoken about to death at this point, what AI is doing to culture and just the fear of if we always get what we want, are we ever going to get art that is subversive, that is interesting, that breaks the mould. And to hear her directly say that and to say that she really wants to create things that maybe her audience might have a problem with, but she needs to do it for herself. This was like something she had to birth for the sake of herself and progressing and just pushing herself further and further. it was so inspiring and it was so exciting.

So the album is now out. We've both listened to it. We are by no means musical experts. But Anoni, I know that you're really looking forward to this album. What were your first thoughts and how many times have you listened by this point? I'm entering a new era with music that I am really enjoying because it's actually an old era. Well, I am getting an album or receiving it to my telephone device and I am sitting and I'm listening to it top to bottom. then I'm listening to it again then I'm listening to it again and then I'm listening to it again

and I have done it with Lily Allen's album I've done it with geese and now I've done it with Rosalia and I'm listening to those albums as if I've only got three CDs and I've got them in my Walkman and that's one I'm allowed to listen to. I have not yet done the thing where I've translated the lyrics which is really important to do because narratively I'm not entirely sure what's going on. I do speak Spanish-ish so I kind of understand some of the Spanish stuff but the experience of the music in a way it's almost made it more powerful and what a contrast from Lily Allen

where so much of the weight of the album was in the lyricism and the storytelling it's such an interesting time with music for those two albums to be out at seminar time because this does something almost and I said this on my story but it's like a religious experience the music the strings the orchestral vibe the religious connotations in it

like the Catholicism within it, it does feel like if you were to hear Beethoven for the first time. There's something about it that I think in music, especially in music, especially in recent years, thinking about brat, thinking about more of these like synth tech kind of things, this album feels really special. And I do need, I do want to listen to a full translation. I want to sit down and read all of the lyrics, but I haven't done it yet. And I don't think I'm as, eloquent or as wise in talking about music. This is where we really need rhetorics. It's not my natural home talking about music, but I do understand it and feel it and love it.

And music's really important to me. And I just think it's so beautiful. And last night, Beth and I were both at Annie Lord's cover reveal of her book. And I was talking to Moyer about the album. And Moyer said that Annie said, well, that Annie was like, isn't it interesting? You know, Lily Allen wrote that album in 10 days and how good was it? But imagine if she'd taken as long as Rosalia had taken, like, what would that? album had been like and then more it was like but then interestingly like lily would never do that

because it's not the kind of artist that she is but i think in a world of hyperproduction where people are forced to the minute you release something do something else in the name of just getting numbers and getting things out this album speaks to what happens when someone who is incredibly clever and talented really takes time to sit with a piece of art and produces it to a level which is just kind of mind-blowing and i think it's actually achieved like a historic best debut in the first 24 hours. It had 42.1 million streams and became the most streamed album by a female Spanish speaking artist. I also think there's something really cool about her speaking so many different languages at a time when I mean,

I don't think we've spoken about this, but the new AirPods that like translate things, which I find really strange. So you can basically be in a foreign speaking country. Someone speaks to you. The AirPods then translate that back to you and then tell you what to say. So I feel that scary because I'm like, are we going to enter into a universe where people who can afford AirPods? Like people stop learning other languages because you can have like an immediate translation, whatever. It's, it's music that doesn't play to what we expect from pop music. It doesn't play into what we've been taught to want. It goes against, I imagine, what labels are encouraging young pop artists to do and to great success. And I think that's really exciting. What about you? I mean, those

just talk about those airports like the gossip in me is like delicious give me 14 of them right now but then I'm like it is true we already have English as this global language which is because of our you know very bad behavior colonizing half the world and also the US being this huge kind of global influence we do need to look into other cultures and I think I think many people who who won't and don't listen to an album that isn't primarily or even really I mean there is there is English on this album. It's one of the many languages. And maybe that's pure xenophobia or a kind of xenophobia that is just ignorance that assumes that music will only be enjoyable if you listen to it in your mother tongue in the language that you understand. And I think

this album has been, it's kind of an invitation to like, okay, either come into the club or continue to hate from outside it because we do erect our own walls around culture and music and food, I think, film, but not so much, we erect our own walls and then we sort of miss out as a result. And it's like, the assumption being like, oh, I won't get it or I won't understand it. And it's like, it is, music is one of those universal languages. And we have the technology where I can go away and I can read about the narrative of this. I can translate the lyrics on my own. It can be a kind of fun side project. And it's just such a fucking good album. And I did similar to you, I sort of treated this so I was in a really long car journey with my dad and I was like okay this is an album

that neither of us have heard I was giving him what I knew about Rosalia and just said this has been hotly anticipated we're going to listen to it from beginning to end I think it's about an hour long which just seems a really generous amount of music to give someone with an album we sat down obviously we're in the car we sat quietly but we talked a little bit about each track it was coming up on the little iPadty thing at the front of his car and I was like, oh, this has Bjork on it. Oh, that's interesting. Or this is who has featured on this. This is what this track is called. And it was just a really moving experience. Obviously, the album is so big and so stirring. It's like, I could feel in real times my feelings being manipulated by the music, which is exactly

what I want for music. I was like, God, I want to cry and now I want to dance. And it was so good. And I will wholeheartedly admit, same as you. I don't really know how to talk about me. music. There's many kinds of writing that I have attempted and tried restaurant reviewing, travel writing. Never music writing. I think it's an art that I just don't have it. But I was sitting there being like, I'd be moved by this. I am exuding something which I can tangibly feel. And I was just very excited. I think just to listen to someone who's so talented at a thing, I quite like the idea of when there is a big release, kind of sitting and listen to it, by myself or someone else, putting my phone down, not just sticking it on while I'm doing

a million other things. It felt a really nice way to listen to it, although I will say between Rysalia being 33 and Zeran Mamdani being 34, I was like, fuck, what am I doing with my life? What am I doing with my life? She's, I know that she's like a musical genius and he is about to take the very, very difficult job, but I was like, fuck, I need to do some, I need to pull my finger out and make something. I'm 32. I'm. I'm not the mayor of anywhere. I have no albums. So it did give me this sort of millennial crisis. But then I was like, no, I shut the thoughts down and I just bopped away to music. Yeah, it's so nice. We've had this string of albums that we've been excited to talk about.

I've been talking to my friends about them. Like, I've actually been like, oh, you should listen to this album. I never get that. And all it's taken is I actually participate in music culture. Who know? Me too. Also, have the same crisis as you. I think we're both going through growing pains of like figuring out what we're getting to and we're getting there. but some people have already got there. So the other day I sat down and I looked up like every influential person that has created art that I love. So like Michaela Cole, Sharon Hogan, Phoebe Wallerbridge. And all of them in their 30s were, I think like Sharon Hogan was working in call centers.

Michaela Cole had like been rejected for this, Phoebe Wallerbridge. There are so many names and people that do not hit their stride until their mid-30s, their 40s. Like we retrospectively refit their narrative and we're like, oh, they were in rooms with this person and they were doing this. but actually none of those people they were in rooms with either had made it in Alberta comments. Like so many people are slogging and slogging and slogging away.

And when they reach that point where they become in the public consciousness, it's like, oh, they've always been around. But actually, it's just not true. And it's really, anyone listening as well, it's really comforting just to find out. I think Tony Morrison wrote The Bluest Eye when she was in her 40s, maybe even like early 50s. There's so many people that weren't there. And it's funny also because I feel the same way as you.

but I also remember doing this when I was like 20 and someone who was like 21. I remember, I think Sally Rooney wrote her first novel at 26 and I think Dolly wrote everything I know about love at 28 and I had those panics. I think whatever age you're at, you just start looking around. Even with relationships, I do this as well. I'm like, when did they meet their husband? When did they have a baby? Because you're always looking for these markers.

But they actually just don't really exist, you know. We'll get there in the end. I think we should do at least a topic or an episode on this, maybe in the midweek episode because I think it's so pervasive as well and it is seeing someone's age and being like, oh my God, you are five years younger than me and you are doing this. We live in the world of comparisonitis. But it is at some point I can see for both of us. It was already happening. People will be like, I am that comforting voice being like, no, I didn't do this in my 20s and I'm doing it in my 30s. There is still time. And it's

quite nice to be on that side of things and then just trust myself, I'll get somewhere. I don't know where, but I will get somewhere. We keep slogging away. that's physics baby thank you so much for listening this week before we go just checking that you've listened to our latest everything in conversation episode where we go on a school trip to Sadler's Wells East and learn all about ballet if you enjoy listening then please please please do leave us

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