Everything Is Content - Saltburn, Performative Hyper-cleanliness and Reality Rehabilitation

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

We’re here for our *soft launch* and we’re ready to get down and dirty in the discourse. This week on the podcast Beth, Ruchira and Oenone discuss: SALTBURN Can you make a good film on vibes only? and can you call it a period drama if it’s set in 2006? YOU NEED TO CLEAN YOUR CHRISTMAS TREEIs this serious - or is it just clickbait? I’M A CELEBRITY When did reality TV become rehabilitation for politicians? Why is it Nella Rose’s job to hold Nigel Farage to account? ---GQ: Rosamund Pike on Saltburn's class backlash: “Make fun of me, criticise me, whatever"https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/rosamund-pike-saltburn-interview DAZED: Saltburn: Can posh people write good class satire?https://www.dazeddigital.com/film-tv/article/61407/1/saltburn-can-wealthy-people-write-good-class-satire-eat-the-rich-emerald-fennellVANITY FAIR: The “It Girls” of Every Decadehttps://www.vanityfair.com/style/photos/2016/10/it-girls-of-every-decade THE TIMES: Linda Evangelista: ‘I Don’t Blame Myself Anymore’ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/linda-evangelista-i-dont-blame-myself-any-more-8bxgf998h TIKTOK: you need to clean your christmas treehttps://www.tiktok.com/@rhema.br/video/7305456716173413637---Follow us on Instagram:@everythingiscontentpod @beth_mcoll @ruchira_sharma@oenone ---Everything Is Content is produced by Faye Lawrence for We Are GrapeMusic: James RichardsonPhotography: Rebecca Need-Meenar Artwork: Joe Gardner  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I was on wikifeet but it was only like I think someone uploaded me and then they were like well she's not famous I hope we're not recording now um tap tap we are but I'm Beth I'm Richira and I'm Anoni and we're friends who are very online beth weren't you blocked by pierce morgan yes i was we love intellectualizing pop culture and the internet every week we'll be delving into the world of pop culture and we're going to do a deep dive into all the hot takes weigh in with our opinions and basically just get down and dirty in the discourse. Ooh, it doesn't matter what it is, TikTok trend or award-winning novel. If you can post about it on the internet, we can and will be talking about it. So welcome to Everything is Content.

Okay, girls, I have some words to say and I want you to tell me if you know what i'm talking about okay okay bath guzzle come i know exactly what you're talking about ruchira knows what i'm talking about and only looks absolutely horrified but intrigued were you at a hen on the weekend i was not i was in the cinema but yesterday okay oh Salt Burn was it good it was mmm oh I want to say

it's fantastic it was fantastic with some caveats I'm really desperate I meant have you seen it Mishara yeah I've seen it

you are completely letting the side down because this is all I want to talk about I'm so sorry Salt Burn it's a period piece set in 2006

of course it's devastating being a 30 year old woman is that allowed to be called a period I think so because it's a period piece set in 2006 of course it's devastating being a 30 year old woman is that allowed to be called a period I think so because it's of the period

a period drama I've seen it called a period drama what qualifies something to be a period drama I thought it had to be like Austin okay 2006

Oxford University we've got long gorgeous Jacob Elordi am I saying that correctly yeah and short gorgeous but odd We've got long, gorgeous Jacob Elordi. Am I saying that correctly? Yeah, yeah. And short, gorgeous but odd, Barry Keoghan.

I love him. I do too, but maybe see the film. Okay, so he plays gorgeous but short and kind of creepy in this film, Oliver, who is a scholarship kid, self-described, from Merseyside who arrives at Oxford and immediately catches sight of Jacob Elordi, who plays Felix, who's this like, what is it called? Like a big name on campus,

completely charming, untouchable, a thousand feet tall, eyebrow piercing. Yes! Which, disgusting, but also, oh, I would suck it out of his face. I love eyebrow pissing. I almost got my eyebrow pissed. Didn't you have your eyebrow pissed?

I had my tongue pissed, my lip pissed. Did I have my eyebrow pissed? Yeah, yeah. Quick question. This sounds very much like Talented Mr. Ripley. Is it based on that? Yes! She invites, I think, director Emerald Fennell invites both comparisons with Talented Mr.

Ripley and Brideshead Revisited, which is more of a dated... I've read the book at school. Watch the TV series. Don't watch the film. Don't bother watching the film. Both of those, I think she's completely aware that this is a film about someone like Oliver,

who is from... I mean, he's self-described like from the rough side of the tracks. He has... They're on a scholarship his parents are drug addicts alcoholics he is not of that world whereas felix is so off that world he's completely untouchable he's this like he's giving like landed gentry i think that's what he is yeah and they end up in this friendship this unlikely friendship and via and

i won't do any spoilers but by via like a few really unfortunate but fortunate coincidences family tragedies they end up spending the entire summer together at salt burn which is his family manor and the film is the unfolding of everything that happens with this like young awkward northern working class lad and this completely oblivious but gorgeous Felix oh my god I really want to watch it but also I feel like you should be able to get supported so don't worry about me and then if you're listening and you're like me and you haven't watched well we can dance around them okay the two of us have seen it yeah what I will say it is so it's a psychological dark comedy thriller or something along those lines i was never quite sure like

watching it is it funny i laughed a lot yeah no it's definitely funny it's also really shocking and really haunting and really horrifying it's so uncomfortable and it's also a very thirsty film it's about sex but it's like adult sex it's not about the power plays of lust or yearning it's about spit blood sweat but that is when was the last time you grew up i have not been spat on in years if you are revolted by any of those substances the wet and the dries oh is it horny or is it not i think it technically does fall under the no no i think does it make you horny no no no no 100 no it's horrifyingly horny if that makes any sense it's more like it's

sex in your face like a slap to the face okay it's about desire obsession that side of horniness and also like what it means for two bodies to gravity it's about control sex is control and like wanting to almost like engulf people is the whole thing about sex there's not even there are moments of sex that the scenes go on such a long time that you do feel like you've been there for an age but a lot of it actually isn't a lot of it's just them hanging around and did that work in that context like was it yes completely because you don't want any more of it okay so apart from the sex or is that the main running theme this the rain when we first begin is it though i think it's meant to be and i think this is the thing that's kind of divided everyone online at the moment i think technically it's

categorized as a eat the rich type film but i don't know there's there's a lot of questions about the politics of the film and whether this is actually anything to do with class and whether it's actually presenting anything and if it's just a quote-unquote vibes film i think it's a vibes film i don't believe there is much commentary or much useful commentary nothing new was said i do think on that if you're expecting a film like The Menu or Triangle of Sadness, you will be disappointed. Go there for the vibes.

Enjoy the vibes. And was there anything set out? Like, I haven't actually read. I actually saw, but I didn't read the whole thing, one review that was along these lines by Alice Murphy. I can't remember what publication it was in.

And she was saying that she felt like the class narrative felt flat because the well-off people kind of, you're gunning for them. Yeah. publication it was then and she was saying that she felt like the class narrative felt flat because the well-off people kind of you're gunning for them yeah but was it did the film say like i didn't read any of the pre-press was it set out to kind of be this sort of like let's expose the the the super rich or like the elites i don't think so i think I'm really struggling whether um the director categorizes herself or whether because there's been such a lineage of those kind of films and tv programs at the moment people were just like oh working class main character film about class this is what it's

going to be but I saw another side of things which is I saw a piece in dazed I think which was saying can the director Emerald Fennell from having come from that world really even do kind of a satire about it when she's very close to the subject matter? But what I think is really interesting about that, because I do agree, is she's so inside of it.

Because I think her dad is Theo Fennells and he's like the really famous story designer. And I think they are kind of like close enough to gentry. I got the impression they're quite well off is not someone who is inside of something the very best person to critique it and and I think she knows that and I don't think she tries to no I'm I'm saying the opposite I think she'd agree against the criticism I'm saying like would you think that flip it on its head

I would be the best person to satirize I know it's punching down so maybe that's the difference but like if i haven't grown up in a certain lived experience would it be useful or good for me to satirize something else do you know what i mean i see what you're saying so it's like because she's inside it she can see it and and did she ever or do you think that she's blinded by her own privileges and experience of it that she can't critique it do you know what i mean yeah but then maybe you need a fly on the wall sort of like unbiased opinion and it is that whole part god it is quite complicated it is it's like you can't do it the other way around where it's punching down but when it's punching up it's like with the barbie phenomena we wanted barbie to be so much we weren't satisfied with just like a female-led fun pink romp i actually have to say i love vibe films

and it's actually something i really miss from that early like teenage sort of like the mary kate and ashley uptown girl confessions of a teenage drama queen i know these are like adolescent movies but there's something about them where they are for the joy it's the color it's the splash it's the rome it's like there's nothing to be taken away when did we get this kind of morality thing around movies where like barbie has so much more messaging than anything else we've watched yeah when we were younger and yes it wasn't up to our level three feminism but obviously like loads of other people that's the introduction but culturally it does seem like we're all kind of demanding so much from film and from women and female directors but why why is that do you think we think we're too

smart maybe i think also it's a question of like what you want from art so I think the whole point of needing it to say something and needing it to like make a comment is kind of this question of what do you think is good art right so I would say remember back in the day where Lana Del Rey would do like you know a video games video and the wanky music bros would be like she's not doing anything she's just relying on nostalgia I feel like there's a skill in invoking nostalgia and making you feel something. I feel like watching this film, going back to 2006,

being part of this, seeing all the kind of, you know, the visuals, the cinematography, it made me feel something. And also that kind of shocking storyline made me feel something. I don't think she changed my politics on anything or, you know, I left thinking about anything, but it made me feel something i don't think she changed my politics or any on anything or you know i left

thinking about anything but it made me feel something i sometimes think that's what's missing with loads of things when they're really on the nose political or they kind of like really align with my views it's like you feel really righteous and good that you've watched experienced or read that thing because you're like gotta come away and learn something but do you think we're pushing art politics and ideology all so close together that it's like everything has to be everything rather than just being a bit of a feeling a bit like i guess would like influence something i experienced people wanting you to comment on everything and i do think when you have a platform it is your responsibility to you know use it at the same time we're really conflating like the arts and quite high about politics and political

ideas and i know they're always in view because you cannot have art without what's happening in the world but there's definitely some kind of weird thing happening and maybe it's because our politicians are failing us so much we look to art for education or something but it doesn't i don't know if people demanded this much before you would obviously always have musicians especially who would be like very forthright in their political views but i don't know if their audiences were asking that of them or if they were just responding to a they were just like that but from inception though it is if you make at this particular point in history and this is maybe why she did it in 2006 not just

for the vibes i mean it's an incredibly great time she does a wonderful job to in a concept living crisis with everything going on if you If you make a film of very rich people, we want to watch them suffer. And not to say they don't suffer in this film, but they don't suffer because necessarily of, you know, some kind of class toppling. It's a story about individuals. So maybe she's sort of tried to swerve that a little bit by saying this was 2006 baby that's why i really want to watch it i agree with you a shirt things about nostalgia for me are like my favorite thing i can't explain to you like when i hear i follow that account it's like daily vintage or like 90s daily have you guys seen it it's like an instagram

as well yeah and i'll like watch all those videos and then level nostalgia and then i'll look at it and it'll be like the songs from like 1992 which is like two years before i'm born and yet for some reason i'm like have so many memories imbued into that song and i can sit there and that like 10 posts on a carousel will make me feel so much more than i don't know you know a film that everyone tells you to watch why is it so nostalgic is it just because everything is terrible i guess i watched that this film and this film is gross and grisly and whatever i thought oh it's quite fun though yeah oh yeah well maybe it's also our age group like maybe it's because that was when we would know we weren't when we had to hope we would

turn the world it was so good it was so good back then but it was like i think at that age maybe it takes you back to time when it was like you don't necessarily you're not really plugged into the news and like the world is still kind of got this veil of yeah adolescence and so it takes innocence thing where you're looking at innocence exactly and you're seeing things like through anything on the cusp of adulthood I do think has that for me and it's like the revival of indie sleaze and all that kind of stuff I think I don't know about you but I'm obsessed with Alexa Chung all over again. Yeah. And I've been stalking her insanely on social media right now. And I think I'm ready

to kind of dive back into that scene. And I don't know, it feels cool again. At first I was really reluctant to go back there, but I'm ready. I'm ready to go back. Did you read the piece

about the It Girls? I can't remember if it was in the cards. I saw that, but I didn't read it. It was so good. And it was about, is it Chloe? I don't know how you say it.

Chloe Savant. Savant. Yeah. So yes. And she basically like kind of it Chloe? I don't know how you say it. Chloe Savant. Savant. Yeah. Savant. So yes. And she basically like kind of pops about nowhere. Everyone said she looks amazing.

You kind of look at her outfits and it was so random. But this concept of the it girl can't really exist anymore because of Instagram. And like these women were like ingenues. Like their hair was really messy. They kind of had no makeup on.

They didn't really do any work because their family were really rich. But they just wear this like red ballet pump. And suddenly everyone is like red ballet pumps everywhere. And it's like, that's a nostalgia thing as well again i think because they were obviously always like very skinny rich white women but there was a time when we weren't inundated whereas now you go on instagram and you'll like go on to another account and there's another person

with a million followers who's beautiful and you're like who am i supposed to be and also to to get very famous you kind of do have to do these get ready with me. You can't have a veil of who are they? There's no mystique because I've seen you in your pants trying on different things. Like an Alex Earl. You have to give your soul. I've seen everything. You kind of have to. Whereas there would be a time when like Kate Moss had never done an interview.

Yeah. And like no one knew anything about these girls. They'd just be seen full. And also. Dangling out of a window. So like all of the clubs would be filled with these women smoking, dancing, drinking, snogging. No one does that anymore. Doesn't matter where you go.

Celebrities are not there because they know that they can be photographed at any moment. So you have all these like hearsay amazing stories. And there's all this kind of like. It's the law. Imagery and law and imagination. Like I'm obsessed with the Primrose Hill set. I love reading stories about like. So that's like kate moss sadie

frost um jude i can't think but it's like that those young models in the 90s and the early noughties they would live in primrose hill they walk and so they go out and there's just all these stories about them and they're all kind of unverified they're all very sexy they're always having orgies with each other and now someone comes online and says look i've got a few things to clear up and you didn't have that. Yeah. So speaking of that, It Girls of Every Decade from Vanity Fair piece, you were saying there's like an It Girl element in Salt Burn, right? Yes.

So Rosamund Pike's character, Elspeth, who, I mean, Rosamund Pike is as good as everyone says in this. Iconic. Iconic, yes. I love her. She is incredible. And she plays this sort of,

I would say former It Girl, but because Rosamund pike she's stunning she looks gorgeous she doesn't seem to age throughout the film but she she plays the mother of jacob lordy which sounds fucking nuts to say she plays his mother who was like she jokes at one point about being horrified that people thought common people was by pulp was written about her things like that so she is an it girl of a of an era gone by yeah there's almost this like amazing vanity about her where she like i am there's a gq interview that basically speaks to her and she talks about her character a bit and it's like every conversation ultimately draws back to her and it's i think that's where the humor comes from her character

she's brilliant rosamund pike though in that i, she basically admits she doesn't read her own press. She's like, well, they can say what they want about me. Because the interviewer, they're talking on the phone. The interviewer says, oh, you know, and you've got a bit of backlash for saying something. It's something very trivial. It's about like. She said, so she did an interview with The Guardian previously, just before this GQ interview. And she says that she knows what it's like to be an outsider.

And I think anyone who, you know, does a's like to be an outsider um and I think anyone who you know does a quick google she went to Oxford I think on a partial scholarship is that right she said yeah she says but she said she felt like an outsider because she went to like the races or the opera and didn't know the rules or something it's like she went to this event and got an invite to the event but didn't quite know the rules yeah and so she went well I know what it's like to and and they have this the writer of the piece says that actually rosman comes she was very cheerful but it reads intense quite frosty it's you can see at the beginning they have a really nice exchange and everything goes really well and then towards the end the tone flips the tone completely flips when

the interviewer says oh you know you've had some backlash about the fact that you made this comment with the guardian what do you think about it and she it's almost like you can tell she's like why are you telling me this well you know it's no need for me to know this but she's so up until that point after she's so eloquent about the film i think she would be a fucking riot to listen to but yeah oh she and i would probably not and get on great we wouldn't be great trapped in the lift together no the gq piece is brilliant it's brilliantly kind of it closes off with salt burners in cinemas now after like a very like

cutting remark I mean that's I gasped I gasped yeah I'd love to see just like someone's words

verbatim yeah no fluff around them that's really interesting I wonder then how much PR involvement there was in that conversation does it seem like she was

very unguarded because that doesn't do you know what I mean I imagine she just sort of went in celebrity interviews nowadays I feel like so controlled

so controlled I wonder if you've got any from it because it is I mean she's so smart and she's so astute on the film she says this thing

about private wife posh people are so cold and she's like well because they've been their parents don't look after them or you know they're looked after by other

people their whole lives which I went oh god that's a beautiful line of really and then she sort of seems to not and talks about you know

class mobility social mobility and in a way that a lot of people will disagree it suggests to me she is not on Twitter and that I think

is what we're missing everything is so curated the PR is so heavy the celebrity interview is kind of lost all way because everyone's just going out there and telling their own story

or doing like a Beckham documentary media training has gone too far williams documentary which i haven't watched yet but apparently i should apparently it's amazing there was that piece in the times with linda evangelista which is also a stunning name do we know if that's her real name um and i felt like that felt really authentic and it felt like an old piece of journalism you know when people would wait to get like the magazine or like the supplement in the newspaper where there was this huge celebrity interview which I really don't think they pack that much punch anymore but I felt like that piece was really good I read this and I agree it was a long piece and like they go out for lunch and they talk and they include the bits where she

kind of looks down and declines to answer like it was very yeah I mean I mean she's a supermodel from the 90s it kind of makes sense that that was the tone of the piece she was really candid as well and also i don't know if you guys saw the headline go viral because she talks about um the reason she doesn't want to date is that she doesn't want to hear somebody else breathing which i don't know what you guys think as honestly it's like that infamous kim Cattrall quote where she's like I don't want to do anything ever that I don't want to do

I don't want to be in a situation I don't want to be in a situation for one second that I'm not enjoying or something like that can we just talk about

how iconic it is when women basically just quote unquote give up on life yeah and they do a quote like that I think it's like low-key iconic

should we give a rough summary of what that piece is about because it is quite it's quite deep and it's quite it's like low-key iconic should we give a rough summary of what that piece is about because it is quite it's quite deep and it's quite it is like the headline does suggest that it's quite chatty about her love life that is a throwaway quote which i understand it's chosen for its mean it was such a small part of the piece it wasn't even relevant you kind of i forgot they knew what they were doing i get it they're catering to digital audience but the piece is very good because she talks one about this fat

freezing procedure that she had done a few years ago that disfigured her she talks about domestic abuse she talks about cancer cancer multiple cancer diagnosis and of course what we see is i don't want to hear someone breathing which i was like i'm going to read that i'm definitely going to read that i do you know what was interesting out of all of the models i've known her face forever like all of those other ones but she was never as big to me as like the noah mccampbell's or the kate mosses even though she was very much like whenever that crew were kind of together she was in there and she said was her quote the 10 000 yes pounds a day and also i remember hearing that i'm finding that really inspirational i kind of remember that being a thing that was pandered around in this day and

age that's nothing people are getting paid like not us just so no one knows if anyone spares ten thousand pounds a day i will wake up and i will work but it was interesting that she said she felt really embarrassed that she said that was actually i thought that she kind of regretted it and i still think that is empowering because i think especially as a model it is a job it's very exhausting it's emotionally taxing people are kind of degrading you people kind of put models down but it's really something which I think is probably so much more tough than we could ever imagine and so to be like we weren't getting out of bed for more than 10 I mean we would I think that's quite cool we were talking just now about having someone else take our photo that we don't know and just like how awkward it is and how awful we look like that's

your job you have to look good it's taxing to be a person that's standing in front of an iPhone like hunched over like a gargoyle you have to control every action every meal you eat how many drinks you have

how much you're staying up you have to like I think people don't always think about they think people are beautiful it's gruelling like it's not it's not just you wake up

and you look gorgeous it's kind of like your job is to be a mannequin I also thought what was interesting there's another podcast I listened to with journalists and they were saying

like nowadays when you interview a celebrity it's like a press junket so you'll get put on a table then we'll be out for lunch you got 15 minutes there's a PR there and then you move on

whereas this you could tell she was like having she was like I'm ready to speak that's what it felt like. She wanted to have her say because she has been in the tabloids

when she came out and said I had this fat freezing procedure and it went horribly wrong it was in the tabloids when she came out and said i had this fat freezing procedure and it went horribly wrong it was in the tabloids as vain older woman yeah complains about problems she caused which isn't what happened and i think it was perhaps probably quite a cathartic thing for her to get to set the record straight in my previous more really bad body image dates i remember looking at that treatment because one of my biggest insecurities has always been my neck at school used to call it my fac because it was my face neck so my chin kind of

just connects and it's not what she had to get she wanted to it basically was meant to freeze the fat i think now like anyone would say i think it's like probably not that it just kind of doesn't work you need to have you basically need to have a face if i think to correct it i know a lot of people still cry poly it's cool cool sculpting but it's like it's like anything like people yeah people get it on their tummies and stuff like it's like anything it could go you could get botox and end up paralyzed like any of these invasive surgeries or even non-invasive butter combs can have you'll be very unlucky if you're going to a practitioner which i imagine she was but it's like imagine because she's been another thing i think that's like the problem with beauty i mean it's such a privilege but if you have it and that's your

capital imagine it's like being i guess imagine if you're like the problem with beauty I mean it's such a privilege but if you have it and that's your capital imagine it's like being I guess imagine if you're like the most amazing sports player in the world and then you break your leg and you can't play again

you have to maintain you've lost your money that thing but not even that imagine your mental health where it's like every single day of your life that thing

that is you that is your power that's what everyone sees you as is gone I mean you must feel I know it sounds so vain but I completely feel so much like

everything is true for her and also even if she's not vain she's got a child support she understands that she has to look good to make money she might not be you know vain she's just doing a

an operation to to continue her ability to earn but what's funny and even I'm doing it now is like the actual thing that was really important in that piece was her talking about her ex-partner who lots of people had come forward

about in 2022 which gave her the kind of i guess ability and sense of strength to come forward about it and i'm still bloody talking about her face is freezing so how we got here was talking about salt burn and if you do want to see it and i think you do want to see it. And I think you do want to see it. Be prepared for something slurpy, revolting, fascinating. Do not go with a close relative. But please do go and see it. Excellent film. Please tell us what you think. I'm going to see it with my girlfriends this evening.

What should I be prepared for? I mean, there's no way to prepare you for what you'll see. So just go. Don't. Oh, actually, maybe do go in with a hot dog because you see full schlong which is such a gift should we tell no no no we won't reveal you will see willie um so yes fantastic film tell us what you think you will see willie rich here what have you got for us this week okay so i've been mildly obsessed with

cleaning trees does that mean anything to you guys it means the world oh bath i love you okay so what would you think if i said on tiktok this user called rima has gone viral with a video of her cleaning her artificial christmas tree she's dousing it in anti-bac and soaking it and washing up liquid before then soaking it in a bath did something happen to it did her dog poo on it no no no it's a fresh christmas tree oh this is like when i buy new towels or bedding my mom's like you have to wash it first and i've already got it on the bed and i'm like i did sorry you're telling me to wash my tree now i don't know if we're meant to do this but people are talking about the fact that it's like you know performative cleanliness and there's this whole trend in i think it's like instagram and tiktok videos of

cleaning influences and clean talk do we think it's getting out of hand do you think do you think it's just because there are these videos which i'm obsessed with watching where they're cooking stuff but like you're watching it and you're like this is gonna be so good and they everything everybody's so creative everybody's so creative and they'll be like so it'll be like a hot an egg in its shell and then they'll just put some cheese on top in a pan and then they put water and then add like a pepper and then like raw chicken breast and then loads of milk and then they're like put it in the oven that's disgusting they take it out and then they like break the egg and they eat it and you're like, is this real life? The first time I watched it,

I was like, I watched it about four times and then I've realized basically it's, what's it called? It's baiting. Do we think the tree lady? Is the tree thing

or is she like genuinely hyper clean? This is what we should be doing. It's like when people said we should wash our legs and we went, yeah, we should. Also, I've never admitted this

because I'm already really white and really posh and I went to a point where I didn't wash my legs and we went yeah we should also just I've never admitted this because I'm already really white and really posh and I went to a private school but I didn't wash my legs what are you doing with your legs I don't wash do you just up at the knees

I just go armpit then in the because there's loads of suds on the floor I sort of rub my feet around then I wash my hair I wash my face and then I just sort of

I do a bit of a tummy rub and a bit of an arm but like the legs I'm like it's dripping down the leg are you all judging me? No, but, but,

but basically when this happened, because I'm already, everyone really sees me as this, like, like if there's a privileged girl, I'm like far left. And the only way I can move like one digit further is if I had a penis, I'm identified as a man.

So when this came out, because it was very much a white issue, it was very much like, it's white people not washing their legs. I stayed silent. I didn't want people to know. I say silent because it was me. Because I was like, if I say this, it's white people not washing their legs I stayed silent because I didn't want people to know I say silent because it was me because I was like

if I say this it just confirms the fact that I'm fucking little miss snow white why does this feel like AA and so

you tell us what you need to tell us so your truth does and only you speak your truth but also my other truth is that like

I eat things off the floor oh I do too sometimes I don't wash my hands if my rings aren't real gold because you know sometimes i think a little bit of jam goes a long way and actually i never get ill really i know i'm a bit the best thing is nobody else so basically my whole the point of that story was i don't believe in like i like cleaning my house i like but i'm like not that germaphobic i've always been a kid that ate mud i had lads under my pillow i'll say it so at the point of recording rima's video has 1.5 million views people are obviously watching this why do we think they're watching it i've got to go and watch it right now again because at the time it's literally just a

tiny minuscule bit of dirt coming off i think it's just showing off it's that oh you're not doing this oh you should do this do you think it's a morality thing do you think it's people online being like this is how things are meant to be clean talk is the wild west i love it but it is the wild west maybe there is some logic in it in anything you bring to your house it's gonna have external things in it but by that logic and i know we were doing this in covid that means you need to wash the the method shower cleaning or buying some super do i mean everything it's like it's literally plastic and i i do understand that's why i want to put this into mental health or mental illness or like those kind of areas yeah i mean people are saying online like it's performative in that like you just want to show people how clean you are other people saying she's shaming people i mean she said

it's an unpopular opinion she just but also so if it's her yeah that's what i mean it could be her personal thing where she's like i don't want to have external germs in my home and in that way we differ a lot but but it could be maybe because this is where it's so confusing it could be that she's just posting on TikTok her genuine own needs wants and desires and now thousands of miles away we're talking about it

for like I don't know causing a phenomenon but actually that's not her fault kind of thing or is it this is why I think social media is so tricky

because nothing there's nothing that is guarding even like podcasts that have producers and stuff people aren't necessarily fact checking what the people i've listened to so many podcasts where they'll say something i'm like that's

categorically not true and nothing is said of it so in only it's so funny that you said the thing about maybe it's veering into mental health mental health and things like that because one of the responses i saw to this video is somebody just jokingly being like babe you know there's drugs that can help you with that and i think with everything it kind of opens the discussion of people then just like diagnosing her with basically saying that she has ocd autism adhd and i don't know if that's the right answer either to this she might have a really dirty loft yeah or she's just said look these are my values was it a brand new tree no no i think well actually i'm pretty sure it's brand new tree you need need to clean your Christmas tree. We have no information. For instance, the other thing about TikTok and Instagram and these platforms is, like,

you don't have a long-standing relationship with this person. Especially TikTok is very randomised. So, like, you don't actually know her history. It's just a random woman being presented to you. Whereas there's no context around it. So, like, it is hard to ascertain. But I think that's maybe why the virality of TikTok happens that way. Because you will see one video

from a person you've never met before you could have like a string of like the same videos but something's just landing on your there's too many people there's too many people you don't know what they're saying what was that headline

we know too much about each other yes this might be one of those where this woman's just washed her tree and I've got an opinion about it but also what's this is what I mean also don't need to have an opinion

so what if she wants the tree? But we love, this is like the online offline thing. I will spend, and as we all are very online, I'll be in this Twitter thing and I'll be like, God, I care so much about this person

who had an argument on the phone with BT. And I will read all 8,000 comments and I will form an opinion. And then you go out into the world and life just isn't like that. Like those things are so inconsequential. There's something about online where it's like, oh, I don it's like the internet's now like a tabloid right i feel like these people are now like the people that we're suddenly like latching on to being like what

happened with them what are they doing what are they up to and it becomes discourse but also what happens this woman now so i don't know anything i've never been on instagram uh her tiktok sorry um she might get you said 1.5 million views that seems like an amazing thing how does she maintain that does she have a career does she have a job like people go viral for the most mad things but then you you you can't sustain that does that then make maybe she did a previous video that was similar she washed like another inanimate object and it got 35 000 views is it an escalation of view chasing hobie's career is it do you know what i mean was this an accident or was this i mean

there's a market in clean talk though we know mrs hinge right yeah i mean anything you do whether it's like she was like the pioneer viral bait or like anything any of these like micro genres of being internet famous there's a market for that you can become famous you can get a book deal you can become a tv personality been there done that got the book deal thanks guys and then yeah but then yes then what i mean i find it so dull to create content in one niche yeah it is i suppose if you love cleaning money i never understood mr cinch because like i find her gray aesthetic it makes me feel depressed loads of people hate my style because it's very colourful but I genuinely have some like colour

relationship thing where if everything's cream or if everything's beige or everything's grey sometimes I have nightmares and the nightmare is purely that even before like grey was a thing

that our whole house would be grey and it was almost like a sign of me feeling depressed it's so deep it's like the Molly May doing her renovation

of her house and like turning that amazing green bathroom into like a beige nightmare but I think it's this whole thing of like i think the reason people like it is because it's like so just like everything's in a box everything is just like a show home everything is clean everything's perfect it's like almost this sense of control yeah i know i know i watch vlogs like that because it's like my life's falling apart i'm having a mental breakdown i'm gonna watch a vlog where like molly it's like, my life's falling apart. I'm having a mental breakdown. I'm going to watch a vlog where like Molly May's

renovating her bathroom to look beige as fuck. And it makes me feel peaceful. Would you guys wash your artificial Christmas trees this year? No, no, no. It could sit out in the garden. I would pop it away. I would get it out. I put a little bobble on it and I wouldn't,

I wouldn't think to. If it could make me go viral on TikTok and make a bit money I probably would though so I was in the hairdresser the other day and the woman was like have you been watching I'm a slab and I don't tend to watch it so I said no and she said there's been this whole bust up with the guy from fast dates and Nella Rose and so then I obviously opened up the daily mail which none of us should do and I went on the TV and showbiz comments and I was just interested because I again I'm never really in that world but we've just had Matt Hancock on there and now we've got Nigel Farage

and I just think is this becoming like rehab for terrible politicians are you guys watching it no I'm not watching it and I think yeah as soon as i saw former ukip leader nigel farage was going on it i just thought this is this is dire this is actually grim and he got the most money as well wasn't like 1.5 million reported oh my god for being on it what is what again it feels like a sadistic want from the nation where we like we want to rehabilitate these awful people like why i think there's something really messy going on where we're asking for real political messages and art and then in sort of really kind of fun silly home entertainment we're putting in these characters which genuinely have caused huge international issues and racism and what especially in the case of Nigel Farage agreed and then we're getting him on like this silly little show and then we have a fun

movie and we're like well this didn't tackle what's happening there's something that's not going well I didn't know what was happening and and I didn't watch and I would have watched it because the rest of the cast I'm really fond of and Nella Rose at the the center of this I mean I think it was kind of a flash in the pan thing I think she said something off the top you know in the height of emotion she's in the jungle she's probably fucking hungry and miserable and she's lost both her parents and she was very sensitive she said something which she'll learn from whatever I would have watched it for her because I'm a big fan of her but I thought boycott I thought I'm not going to do

I'm not going to watch a show where we rehab a man who has said the things that he said. I didn't watch anything with Matt Hancock for the same reason. I don't think it makes a difference, but it makes me sick. Yeah. And it's just grim. I feel like getting Nella Rose, you know, popular YouTuber Nella Rose,

to basically have to confront Nigel Farage on very obvious points of racism and discuss why, you know, black people shouldn't have to, you know, discourse, appropriation, racism. Do you know what's cute? I don't know what it's called on the jungle, in the diary room.

Yeah, in the little house. She says something like, it's annoying because we were actually vibing, we were getting on really well. And I thought, God, what elegance and grace that she was allowing some sort of friendship or kinship to bond like to blossom with nigel farage because i guess you're in that environment you can't i mean i would probably go in and just be like i don't want to fucking talk to you but she was open to kind of like having i expect that she knows that she also has to do that but i she it really felt like she

meant it and then and she was so disappointed and i felt like that's such a shame and also how can the public not see like what i just think that's so generous so she is just like the benefit of the doubt will be kind or even think that there is some humanity beyond their differences and then he just is so willfully ignorant when he says about like oh you, you can't say anything anymore. And it's like, no one was even talking about that. No one was talking about cultural appropriation. I don't know if you ever had an interaction with a family member or like a partner's family member.

And you got this conversation coming up usually around Christmas. And it's like, no one's even talking about it. And then randomly you'll be like, oh, well, you can't say that anymore. And you're thinking, grow the fuck up. None of us, you want to have a fight. And that's what he wanted. He wanted to like make people feel bad for him and she was so generous

in her response she was like well no it doesn't have to be it's this and he goes well you couldn't dress up as a man and it's just like

oh my god you are dumb and that's what people were retweeting they were like he went to private school he was basically really well educated

and he can't understand a really simple concept but it softens him into a sort of grandfather silly uncle figure where he's dangerous. It's the bad thing for food. The Boris Johnson character.

So just to backtrack, the reason they have that discussion is I think she's talking about how she can, I think, what is it that she says? Water. Water. And then it gets into a discussion where Nigel Farage is basically like, oh, but if a white person said that, there would be an issue. There would be uproar blah blah blah my feeling about it is I think that she's going above and beyond being generous talking to him but I hate that the onus is even on her to have this discussion with a man that foul and I think I would love to know what the process is around you know getting talent to come in to something like this because if it were me and I had no idea

that somebody as despicable as him is going to be on a show with me i don't think that is i don't think that's well-being at all i think that's disgusting it's not safe i mean it doesn't feel do they know the lineup beforehand i don't think it's rumored for a long time but i assume like it must be months and months in the making i mean she i mean you're right it shouldn't be on her i don't think he should be also i don't think he should be platformed. Like there's no doubt as sweet and as pansy

and as like po-faced he can come across. And he also buddies up with just the most and has buddied up with the most like BNP members, like people who are not even like

even slightly hiding what they... But what's so interesting is that a white man can come across as dumb and it's endearing and yet a woman or especially a person of colour kind of leaning into

sort of like ignorance or like fallibility is immediately seen as something negative do you know what I mean whereas when a white man in power

is sort of a bit dumb like Boris Johnson always did this people are like aww it humanises him whereas for a woman especially a woman of colour

especially a black woman it becomes something threatening it's like yeah yeah i just thought i'm not gonna watch this it's not entertainment she's gonna come out and she has already received so much ire from the british media um it just makes me feel a bit sad for her do you have any friends watching it i actually don't know anyone watching it right now. I just think there's something really cheap about the people they've gotten onto the show. And you know what? I am a massive reality TV stan.

I'm not going to pretend to be moral in any way. The genre I love is despicable in a lot of ways. But just getting Nigel Farage and also getting Jamie Lynn Spears into this series, there's something really low about it that makes me feel so icky. It's so interesting interesting I feel like there's been a real thread throughout this which is capturing people's attention has to come from depravity like in Salt Burn outrage like on the TikTok thing or again that similar thing and I'm a separate it's like it seems like maybe we're so

burnt out as a nation as a country we need these things that are like so extreme like i swear we used to be able to find joy in what was that show about gardening ground force no something like that yeah oh we do now we need and now we need like like to watch tv i need to watch a despicable person eat a kangaroo cock maybe it's to make online like maybe everything feels so destructive it has to be

I mean what has to go but I don't but it feels corrupt I completely agree with Cher I think like having those people on it's like as much

as it's for views where has the where has the ethics of it gone if Nigel Farage is not off limits because obviously the people cast

know that there's no flaw surely don't agree with it. It's like, this is why, and I know that some people find it really trite, but like a show like Ted Lasso, I really kind of respect because it's kind of playing on the fact that humans like nice things,

that we like joy, that we like pleasure, that we like people being nice to each other. I feel like that show kind of, its idea is that humans are innately good and let's showcase that and I get loads of pleasure from that. Whereas I think lots of other things are very cheap like let's piss people off the annoying thing being you piss them off by getting Nigel Farge in and then he's able to drum up he's

able to earn his fee but yeah i mean the whole thing it just seems quite foul the whole thing's rotten from the inside out and we can see who's allowed to thrive and who's thrown onto the bus yeah okay i do feel like we should stop before we say too much for the first episode okay yeah i think you're probably everyone in agreement yeah okay well we're officially soft launched i think everything is content is complete first episode she's She's here, guys. Let's go. You can follow us on Instagram at everythingiscontentpod. And you can send us an owl. You can not do anything else.

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