Everything Is Content - SNL UK, Chappell Roan Vs. Kids & Shy Girl Cancelled

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Hello EICorgis! Happy Friday!This week we kick off by discussing a feel-good story involving seven courageous canines who went missing in China before returning home as a pack- led by a bossy little corgi called Da Pang (or Big Fatty).Then we get a first person report of Lily Allen's tour from Oenone. O is a huge fan, but does she think that the critics are right in calling Lily's 45 minutes of stage time a little... underwhelming?Then we're reviewing the show everyone was loving to hate (even before the first episode had aired)- SNL UK. Did we like it? Will we watch again? And do we think this could end up as enormous as the American OG?Up next, more Chappell Roan drama after she was slammed by former Chelsea footballer Jorginho. He claimed that she sent her security guard to scold his wife and 11 year old stepdaughter for bothering the singer at a hotel breakfast. Chappell (who has been banned from an upcoming festival in Rio de Janiero because of this drama) denies that this security guard was hers and says she never saw a mother or a child while having her breakfast. What do we make of it, why is Chappell such a target for these stories, and how the HELL is Jude Law involved?Finally: some literary drama after horror novelist Mia Ballard had her book Shy Girl pulled from shelves and cancelled after Hachette received claims it had been written with the help of AI. Mia denies these allegations and claims a third party editor was to blame. We discuss the book, the allegations and what it means for publishing that a partly AI book could potentially make it all the way to shelves before being detected.This week Oenone has been loving the group of seven dogs who travelled 17km home, Ruchira has been loving The L Word and Beth has been loving Ready or Not 2.Thank you SO much for listening and Cue Podcasts for the edit! You can find us on IG & TikTok @ everythingiscontentpod. See you on Weds- O, R, B xLinks:The Guardian - Lily Allen Revew Deadline - Saturday Night Live UK: What the critics are sayingThe Guardian - Chappell Roan responds to criticism YouTube - i'm pretty sure this book is ai slop | frankie's shelfBBC - Publisher cancels horror novel's release over AI claims Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Ruchera. And I'm Manone. And this is Everything is Content, the podcast that takes on the biggest, weirdest, best and worst pop culture stories every single week. We cover TikTok trends, political mass, award-winning media and celebrity chaos. With a picnic camper of pop culture, overspilling with a picky bit of discourse, debate and drama. This week on the podcast, we'll be chatting about Lily Allen's tour, Chaperone's latest controversy, S&LUK and a horror novel, cancel after 8.000. AI allegations. Follow us on Instagram at Everything is ContentPod and make sure you hit follow on your podcast player app so you never miss an episode. But first, what have you both been loving this week?

And I'm going to pick on you. The thing that I have been loving, and I do think it is true, although in this era of AI allegations, we can never be sure. But I don't know if you both saw this story of the seven dogs in China. They'd been kidnapped basically to be turned into meat. And they managed to escape and walk seven kilometers home. and then they made it back to their houses. And people saw them

and were trying to like call to them and they were just ignoring them so they actually tracked them with like drones to make sure they made it home. There was an injured German shepherd that all the dogs surrounded and kept in the middle

and there was a corgi that was like leading the pack and there's loads of video fished and it's the most heartwarming Disney story. I think it's the only good news I've heard in about five years. I actually feel tearful thinking about this. I saw their little,

the corgi just being like guys we've got this. Everything I hear about this really makes me think I'm going to burst into tears like we are so starved of every day. need decency in general. Like, can't believe dogs are really showing

us how to be people. I know. And they're all from three different houses, but they're all like neighbourhood friends. There's all these people now commenting being like, yeah, they always hang out together so they knew each other really well. They were led literally like across roads through fields and apparently the corgi's owner was like, I'm really proud because they've always shown like great initiative and they've always been a really good

leader and all this stuff up. So that is what I've been loving this week, to be honest. That is amazing. No, I genuinely for any kind of bizarre video that might come from this podcast, I was blinking into the light just to get rid of some rogue tears that were coming as you were talking, I swear to God. I have been seeing some people enjoying this story like evil American politicians and I want to be like this story, you don't get to enjoy this story. If this was like a Disney movie, you would be

the hunters chasing the dogs. Please don't get it twisted. This is for good people only. That's so true. What about you, Beth? How are you going to top that? My God. So I went to see a film last Thursday called Ready or Not Two, which is now out in cinemas. I went to a pre-screening of it in the IMAX in Lesser Square. The cues get in was long. I forgot it was an IMAX. I was like, how are they going to fit this many people in? Anyway, got in.

There was this like usher covered in blood. I don't never do any of the carpet stuff or like the stop and repeat. So I was like, point me to the bar. I'm going to go and sit down and have some popcorn. But it went all out. You could see. You guys seen Ready or Not One, by the way, before I. What is Ready or Not?

And is it called Redior Not One? I think it's called Redior Not. And then this one, I think it's ready or not. Come and get it. Ready or Not. Are you really ready? It's like got a fun second name. I can't think what it is, though.

We'll call it ready or not. Come and be ready. Ready on that. Here I come. Maybe that's exactly what it is. Ready or not, here I come. The first one was about a newly married woman. She married into a very rich, very powerful, old money family.

She is not from money. Played by Samara Weaving. She has the wedding. Wedding night. She plays a game with this family. She picks a card. Turns out she has to play a deadly game of hide and seek and stay alive all night where the whole family hunts to kill her. So no spoil is really.

but she makes it through. The film ends and then immediately the second film begins. And you're not going to believe this, but she kind of has to do it all over again. It sounds horrid. It's really horrid. This time she has her sister, played by Catherine Newton, plus new evil other families.

Buffy is in a literal... I was going to say Sarah Michelle, right? Sarah Michelle was at the screening for like two seconds. It was amusing. We were so excited. You saw her in the flesh? I saw actual Buffy. I was so far away, but I was so excited.

So we watched this film. It's very bloody. It's very gory. But it's also a bit demonic. It's good fun. There was a bit of violence in it that I found. There was two fight scenes happening at the same time. One was great camp fun.

The other one was just a woman getting beaten up by a man. And I was with my best friend, Jess and she was like, that was a bit tough. But if you like the bloodiest horror films, this is, it's exactly what a sequel to a horror film should be. And I hope they make 17 more. God, I need to get back into horror. I had not heard of that first film. For some reason, it made me think of now you see me. So I just decided before we started talking that it was like a show of film about magicians.

Yeah, it's a little bit darker than that. But there are cards involved. Okay. Yeah. That's something. Yeah, usually when you do recommendations, I'm like, I'm definitely going to watch that. But you have not really sold it to me. So I'm probably not going to see that.

It's quite gory. Richie out, what have you been loving this week? Okay, so I've been loving the L word. I have never seen the series. And it has just been like a massive looming cloud over my TV kind of obsession. And I literally got to the point where I was going to buy the box. it on eBay for like 20 quid and it's now on Amazon, all of it. And it's so good. Have you guys seen it before? It's also a hole in my, but I know it's really good and it's referenced in so

many things. I always mean to watch it, but I just never tried. But to know it's on Amazon, that is a recommendation I shall be taking. I've not watched it either. And it is, it's one of those like it's a really cornerstone show. I can't believe I've not. What's it about? I know it's about lesbians. But what else? So that's basically the premise. No, I'm joking. It's It's basically just like a group of friends living in California. And it is just like the very much the sex in the city, the girls, but obviously just like a queer story and retelling of like all these women with different backstories. And the one thing they share is, you know, a sexuality of like dating and hooking up with women.

It's just, oh my God, the guy from Ugly Betty, the son of the family, what's his name? Oh, Daniel. Yes. He's in it. That's a lesbian. No. I'm sorry. He's not.

I can't remember who the son is. He's sort of pretty boy. Yeah. How old is he in a baby? Maybe like late 20s, early 20s. Oh, sorry. Okay, yeah, I thought you meant this like her brother. Did you have a brother?

Like a child. No, although he's in hacks. Basically, it just is your classic, people learning about themselves, making mistakes along the way and just getting it right and wrong. And then the relationships, falling out, you know, making up, falling in love, all of that kind of stuff. Does it hold up for the time? Because obviously at the time it was like really forward thinking and it was like a really big deal. Is it dated now? or was it still pretty good?

So far, not too dated. I'm about, I think, episode seven of series one. And obviously those will be the oldest episodes. And to say that we haven't really had a queer version of like girls or like, you know, the Sex and the City shows that have got to that level, I think it still really stands up. Interesting. Yeah.

Although somebody will message me and say that they do something horrible. Wait for it. Okay, so it's something that I really want to talk about. I went to Lily Allen with the front of the podcast today. Now, I was really excited about it and I had heard some people say that it wasn't an amazing show, but I was like, I don't care. I'm going to love it because I am a Lily Stan. And I want to preface this by saying, I had loads of fun, me personally. Oh, good. I love Lily Allen. I think the album is unbelievable. And when you're watching it, you realize just how good it is. That being said, take me out of the equation. And if I was a critic, I don't think it was a good show. Okay, I have been reading all of the reviews and I've been loving the tea from this So tell me, I want granular detail

What was bad about it? What did it look like? Okay, so it was in the London pladium So you all have like assigned seats We were on the bottom floor like maybe midway through the bat You come in and there's three people paying strings I think they were cellos I actually can't remember And then there's quite a small screen With kind of like karaoke writing in pink

It was small enough that I didn't have my glass on I wasn't that far away I could not read it With lyrics on it And it's so kind of small on the stage that it's almost like this has to be like an editorial decision. Either it's kind of brat, ironic,

but I don't think it necessarily worked. So Faye and I, basically because we haven't seen each other for ages, we spoke through that whole 45 minutes. We chatted about everything about that, live relationships, blah, blah, blah. And everyone around us was kind of singing, but also it wasn't like full throttle singing.

So people were singing and then they were chatting and like you could sing along if you wanted to. But it was just like it didn't, knee to happen. Like that could have been happened. The doors opened at 6.30, which initially I was like, oh my God, amazing. The show starts at 6.30. I'll be in bed by 9. That's not how shows work. So that started at 8. That went on 45 minutes. Then there was a 15 minute break. You came back. Lily comes on to stage. A stage that's gorgeous. And she starts singing immediately. Then she just sings through the whole album. Now, I have to say hearing the album

line was incredible. There was so many women there. The girl next was like there on her own. Everyone was like swaying and hugging and holding hands and God it's good. And the staging is really beautiful. But She literally goes song to song to song to song. She doesn't ever talk to the audience not once. Oh. And you couldn't tell if she was singing or not. You couldn't tell if the mic was on. So it looked like she was singing at a point.

She was like adjusting her if. Me and Faye were like, it really sound. Maybe she was, but it sounded exactly like the album. And I've listened to the album so many times. That I was like, there's not one little vocal thing that is telling me that she's singing. But I could be completely wrong. She could have been singing that the whole time. I don't know.

And then at the end, she goes off, everyone screams and on encore. She comes back, says nothing. and then does a little bow and then leaves. And there was something quite disconcerting about that. Yeah, it almost sounds like it could have been anyone except her. Yeah, it's quite intriguing. It's like, is that aren't meant to speak for itself? Is it because she's pitched this album as not a true story?

So maybe she's not Lily when she's on stage. She's this woman character in this play. I kind of thought that there might be, what I was hoping was it would be like a play. She would be acting. There would be like a man in a chair that was like, you couldn't see him who's like in black. and she would be talking and then she would say one of the lines from the song and then go into song.

It wasn't that. She was kind of acting. There was props from like every bit of the song and she changes her outfits a few times and the staging was beautiful. But I just wanted her to go like, hello London or like hello West End or like anything that felt. It just was, that was a bit weird. That is really weird. And I think remember it might have been one of our predictions for the new year. We said based on the SNL show of having Dakota Johnson behind her being Madeline that we thought that that was.

would be the schick that there would be like all these people who come on stage. And actually it's been the reverse of that. It's just been like nothing. Yeah, quite paired back in every other way, but I guess costume, stage. Because there's so much you can do with the album. And people were so, the amount of goodwill, but also just like genuine adoration for it. People were primed for, because she's an actress as well, for there to be something theatrical. Obviously, you'd read some of the reviews.

Anyone going in was, like, knew to expect something more pared down. But, I mean, I was reading the review. The Guardian gave it two stars and said, it risks testing the patients of the audience. It's dull to watch her go through the motions to a backing track. That was one of the lower views. A lot of people are giving her flowers. Sorry, that was something I forgot to mention.

It is a backing track, which again is interesting. And one more thing that could have given it, pizzazz, is like a full live orchestra playing that album. Just an element of, I guess, life in that second half. Because she does have the cellist. They were playing some kind of string at the beginning. But there was nothing that was like tangible for us. Like she was there, but there was nothing to bringing in.

into motion. I guess again it must have been a choice. It feels like is it leaning into kind of being quite brat or is there what is she trying to say? That's what I didn't know. Nothing in her voice. You didn't hear anything. Did you see also she's been kind of pushing back against a lot of the criticism saying that it's almost like a smear campaign and you know almost all the like lively school of smear campaigns and I think it's really interesting because I know you went and I know one other friend and they had not kind of noticed this mere campaign response from her and they you both were like it just was kind of disappointing so I wonder why she's using that as the claim rather than kind of listening to the feedback yeah and also the tickets we have were 110 pounds

it's not cheap it's not a cheap amount of money so I had a good time and I knew that I would I'm so excited to have seen her I'm so excited to have seen that album live but I'm grateful but when you're spending that kind of money the kind of and I'm not I've said this to you guys before I love it when someone just stands on stage and sings, but there was, it did, I think it's the abruptness of that fast half, which really did feel like it's being phoned in, even if they'd had like a really big projector

with the music videos playing and lyrics. But it was a black screen with pink lyrics, like a YouTube video. And the screen was really small for the stage. So great. And then three people just plonked on for 45 minutes. So that's where you're kind of like, I would almost actually prefer it

if it was literally just the 45 minutes of her doing the album. Something weird about that bit at the beginning that really kind of threw me off because it feels like she's trying to get around people saying you're not performing all of your back catalogue. But why does she have to do? I think it's a West End girl tour. Could she not have just done West End girl? I'm intrigued to see how this is going to work at the O2.

Oh, it's going to the O2. What? How do you scale that one up? I think she's doing three dates at the O2, yeah. Maybe the small TV will become a wider projector screen. We need a correspondent there. Listeners, if you are going to that slide into our DMs because I will have questions. A thousand percent.

But I saw a friend of the podcast, Livy, and I was telling her there. And I said about the talking thing. And we were like, is she shy? She does sometimes feel like she's shy. Is she reserved? Like, no one can, we can't work out. Like, what is it? And then Livy was like, maybe she's being sued.

And I was like, I don't know. She's like, maybe she's being sued so you can't talk about the album. And I don't think, I don't think that's it. But it's funny and it's an odd enough choice that it makes you go, why to not even just come. Because she gets handed flowers and you think she'd go, thank you. And the fact that it's only those, she was only doing that weekend at the Palladium. There's something that. But I do, I did see some of the tweets where she was like, I think on

Twitter there are people being mean about her maybe not necessarily about the show. Okay. And I did see her like clap back. She was just replying to random tweets. So I did see that happening. But I think it's, I don't want to be unfair because I'd have had a fab time. But I can imagine someone else feeling short change. And I think may be fair to think that. I just, I think your analysis comes from a good place because we know you're a stand. Yeah. So I do really trust it. And speaking of fans of things, I bumped into so many, everything is content girls. Oh, yay. So many, there was one girl in our row. There was some in the loop. And then one of you, I don't know who it was, but I was talking to Fairbats and the Lones Channel around.

She was like, no, it was so good. And then I was like, I know, and I felt really bad. And I messaged Fay being like, was I really bad. Because I was like, basically said what I said to you. And she did not agree. So I'm sorry if that's you. But I hope you've heard my full thoughts now. We love diversity of opinion.

Yeah. It's a likely place for an EIC fund to be. I was thinking that. It's that's where our girlies are. They're at the Lillian concert. So it's Saturday night. Big night for you and Lillie Ellen. Also, Big Night for UK Comedy, the inaugural episode of S&L UK aired to, I mean, much hateration

ahead of time, which we'll get into, but also a lot of hope. I didn't watch it live because I was out having a life, rarely, but I did tune in the next day. But viewership was actually very good for a Sky TV show on a Saturday at 10pm. It got 226,000 live viewers, which I think is about 3.6% of the viewership share. It beat Channel 4 in their 10pm slot, which apparently is also very impressive. So strong start, reviews are coming in. Did you both watch it?

And if so, top line opinions, please. I did watch it. I also didn't watch it live. I went in hopeful but worried. I didn't have any belly laughs, but I thought there was promise there and I'm optimistic. I also watched Saturday night not live on Sunday. Because obviously I was out the night before.

So in the morning I kept seeing really shortened clips of clips with people putting how unfunny it was. And I was going, oh, no. And then so I sat down to watch that evening with my partner. And I was laughing. And I was like, oh, I was so scared because I'd seen. And Stevie Martin's been absolutely great. The comedian talking about this.

She was like, guys, stop shitting on the show. Yeah. Everyone says you want new sketch comedy. And then it happens and you're all like, it's going to be awful. And there was, there was definitely a smear campaign against SNL UK. Like people were wanting it to bomb. Totally. And I was so impressed by it.

I thought also those comedians, I'm really into the comedy scene. and so I know who they all are. Some of them I gigged with when I was in my comedy heyday. And so they're very well known in the comedy sphere, but they're not obviously like famous names on TV. And I thought they did incredibly well. What a nerve-wracking setting to be in. I thought it pushed boundaries in a ways that I wasn't expecting.

The jokes were kind of some of them were on the edge. I really enjoyed that. And it did get a laugh out of me. And actually, I was thinking about this, things don't make me laugh as much they used to when I was younger. And I was really impressed by it. And I think it shows so much potential. I actually kind of found maybe the least,

funny bits like Tina Fey's bit at the top which I think you would have found really funny if you were there because it's Tina Faye. I'm really pleased. I think we'll all be sat for the rest of the season. That first Kirstama, I was immediately like, okay, talent, but I'm not laughing. The tone of it wasn't for me. And that was, I mean, it's a sketch show. So you want to feel like it's for you. And it did feel very much for me, but also not always for me. Like there was some in there. Emma Cidi as the final sketch as the kind of juggie, M&S bra, fitter. Oh, yeah. I'll shudgy for the surrounds or whatever. I thought that. That was brilliant. I really laughed.

Underage. That was the best bit. That I cackled that. When they think it's my, is she my daughter? Yes. That was really funny. Like that really got really. A kind of Nivir-style cream that makes you look so young

that people will call you a nonce. That's it. I heard the word nonce and I was like, okay, this is S&L UK. The fact that it is post-watershed in swearing that is, I guess a deal breaker because it is that quite chaste. Even if the S&L US, which I'm going to call it now instead of just SNL, they'd push boundaries and they're a bit kind of gross or cheeky, Like they don't swear it's the main thing.

Whereas I do think that this is key. Agree. Yeah, the key star one. So I liked at the beginning, then I was a bit like, oh. And I actually said to my partner, I was like, I never find SNL US funny. I've never found SNL US funny really. Not a single sketch. I feel like there's bits and pieces that appeal to people.

Yeah, but then, yeah, there's bits and pieces. But on them, mostly I like, don't think it appeals to me. And then as the show on, I was like, oh, when they said nons, I was like, we're in. This is a UK. The non's got you both, didn't it? No. Sorry, guys. I agree with you. I do think actually I found all of my favourite sketches were at the beginning and then it progressively lost me.

Apart from the judging of the tits, that was amazing. Did you see Vice did a carousel of what they thought were going to be all of the clangers or the jokes mentioned? And I think they got maybe 99% right. They said a Paddington joke. They said an awkward brat slash Charlie XXX joke, which I think that was my least favorite. And I found that was so cringy. I had to skip that one. but basically eerily, eerily right. They got us, we are. Friends coming to the UK, they said that as well, and they said that like seven times in the monologue. I did think, I actually, the Paddington Bear one did actually crack me off as well. I really enjoyed that.

But the thing that I cannot stop saying, and I said it to Bath as we walked in together, what kind of Irish is your granddad? Like I literally, I've actually watched that multiple times out. Very good, like George Four Acres, new to hit, or Four Acres. Yeah. Really, so new to him. He was one on the list that I was not familiar with

and came out of this along with Jack Shep who played Diana in there. And again, not my favourite sketch, but absolutely fantastic. Those two, I mean, what kind of Irish is your granddad? Just brilliant. Who are they, they're like four acres is Bob Mortimer and someone else's son, but I can't remember who else the other dad was, but I see it.

I see it and I feel it. And I thought Paddy Young and Anya Magliano's news report is really good. I thought there's so many strong bits in it. Like that? Yeah. I can see that format working really well when more of UK news just goes to shit, basically. I think the Diana impression, I did feel bad for Kristen Stewart because I do think there was a new contender for the better. Better of the two.

I mean, the reviews were mixed, but actually pretty promising. A lot of them did say we have hope for this series. A lot of three stars. So the Independent gave it three stars and praised Jack Shep's Princess Diana impression and the show's willingness to risk audience taking offense, which I think, again, is quite key. there was some doubt in the independence review. It's eight episodes long. SNLUS runs for I think 20 episodes per series. It is on Sky, so fewer people do have access to it.

So I think people are saying it's actually quality-wise really good, but a little bit of doubt for the future, purely because it is sort of tucked away. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to watch it if I wasn't back with my ex who has Sky. Thank God. I think it is a weird choice. Sky is not a very UK-friendly.

Like, where would you put it? This feels does feel like a Channel 4 show, doesn't it? I would say so. That's a good question. BBC doesn't feel right. I think you're right channel for us. It is a shame, isn't it? Because one thing that was really exciting is, like you were saying, and only all of this like new wave of comedy, like I don't feel like we have anything that reminds me of the stuff my dad used to watch a lot of the kind of naughty sketch comedy political stuff. Goodness gracious me, my favourite

show growing up. And there's been a dearth of that. And unless you're on TikTok, you really are missing out that kind of satire of a lot of the shit storm that we are going through right now. And I think for it to be on Sky, it kind of feels like it's going to be word of mouth that gets people to watch it. And I think a lot of the online criticism is really just like shooting it in the foot before it has a chance to take off, find its footing. It's like tall poppy syndrome, crabs in a bucket. We just don't really like people to do things. Like we don't like the idea that something like this, which is a bit of a pun. It is an American remake could be possibly anything other than complete dross.

And it wasn't dross. No. I think that's people's main issue is a bit like me, you're like, I don't get SNL's humor because it is very American humor. And I do think it doesn't translate very well. But they didn't do that. It's not SNL US playing on TV screens. It was a British sensibility with a British sense of humour. I really felt.

And so I think that they've managed to dismantle that. But like Stevie Martin says, and it's been so nice to watch, so many very famous comedians come out swinging for the show. Because they're like, look, people don't get these opportunities. Everyone wants new comedy. You have to let it go. but you're right. We are crabs in a bucket. We're so awful. Everyone's like, it's going to be shit. I don't even want to watch it. And it's like, okay, great.

This is like one of the first times that we're seeing new faces in these spaces. Even think about last one laughing. It is the most famous comedians that we have in these countries. Every single show is presented by the same roster. Romash Ranga Nathan does every single TV show. Rob Beckett does every TV show, Jimmy Carr. We've got to have something. And if this is the way through, if this performs well,

then maybe you will get the kind of show that you're looking for that suits your exact taste. But we've got to let us breathe. And I think it will, I think it really exceeded expectations. Nice. I do think the fact that they made a joke in the beginning monologue about the fact that the UK will inevitably shit on this. Everyone's got to look in the mirror. They got you bad. It's so self-aware.

And it is everyone's being like, this is a pipeline that did not exist before for young comedians. Like I love to see Romash rang and Nathan. But after the 50th time, you go, we must have. Where is our talent, new talent? And where are we nurturing them? It's why I love shows like Taskmaster because it really does allow panel shows are so limiting and it was, I think it was Tash Demetriot

on Adam Buxton talking about this how limiting and awkward panel shows are because the audience doesn't know you, they don't really get to know you whereas something like Taskmaster or this across 8 to 10 episodes you really get to know how someone can act and their talents, their individual quirks which you don't get on AI of 10 ads. And when you think about the people that came from S&L

they are the most household names famous names, but at one point in time, they were your Paddy Young, your Annie Magrano that like houses didn't know. That sports, I think, so exciting how it can cultivate new talent. And if we could have a pipeline like that, wouldn't that be amazing? I am looking around at the criticism and feeling just a bit grossed out by it, to be honest. I think it's gone now that the show's come out now, though.

Do you not think? There was so much before to the point where I was like catching it. I wanted to feel good about it and I was like, well, it's going to be horrendous. I was actually really worried for everyone on the show. Because I just, if it bombed, it would have been so upsetting. But it didn't, and I really did laugh out loud. Yeah, I think people can't now. I think people will be searching for a new way to slam it,

that we look at the viewing figures, which might drop and might pick up next week. But I think on talent and on what they, you know, they really went on on the jokes and they were good, pretty across the board, even if I wasn't laughing. There was no real duds for me. I think they'll be looking for a new angle. But again, they're just crabs in a bucket.

So as an absolute stand of Chapel Rowan, it is my honour to bring forward. the Hotel Breakfast Drama, I think is probably the best way to call it, that involved her, a footballer, his wife and their young girl. If you don't know what this is, God bless you. You are off the internet and you are pure. But I know what this is. Do you know what it is?

Yeah, you forgot to mention Jude Law, the main character. Oh, Jude is also. I don't believe he's involved in this. He's somewhere going, oh, fuck have I wound up in this. People are, and we will get into the story before I get into his Wikipedia page. Sorry, yeah, I just wanted to know, of course. Okay, so former Chelsea footballer Georgino, who was married to singer Catherine Harding, posted on Instagram over the weekend, claiming Chapel's security guard had made his 11-year-old stepdaughter, who, FYI, is Jude Law's biological daughter, cry in Sal Palo Hotel.

Chapel Roan was there ahead of her Lollapalooza performance, and according to Georgino, his stepdaughter spotted Chapel Rhone, walking past her and smiled before returning to her seat. then a large security guard came over and spoke aggressively to both the stepdaughter and Georgineo's wife, even threatening to report the 11-year-old daughter and his wife over to the hotel. His stepdaughter was obviously very shaken and cried a lot. He directed this comment at chapel. Quote, it's sad to see this kind of treatment coming from those who should understand the importance of fans. I sincerely hope this serves as a moment of reflection.

No one should have to go through this, especially not a child. without your fans you would be nothing until the fans she does not deserve your affection Oh I mean that's the messiest bit wasn't it I mean this all happened and then it was a little bit of a brief moment before Chappell had got a chance I mean she was performing to get back so everyone obviously invented what had happened

Chaparone had assaulted this child kicked her down the stairs shot her with a gun I mean she came back and she said like basically none of this well what she said was so this came out the mayor of Rio de Janeiro Edward Cavalier again don't know if I'm saying that correctly ban Chaparone from performing at an upcoming performance in Rio and he wrote on X, I mean as long as I'm in charge of our city

this young lady Chapeerone will never perform. He also made the 11-year-old the guest of honour. So like completely paternalistic at Chapel, really obsequious to this rich footballer and completely wrong. So many things have happened. So we got this account and what's interesting, it's kind of like the old guard and the new guard of fame. People get very angry at Chapel, irrespect of what she does.

has this thing where she's like when I'm working, when I'm performing, when I'm in my drag, fine, come and take a picture. But when I'm not, I'm just want to be a normal person. And when you think about that, that's fair. Like, I don't think fame is healthy for anyone. The more you see famous people getting harassed, but the famous people that haven't kind of set those boundaries who don't feel like they're allowed to get very angry about it because it is not conforming to what we expect. So that already causes like a riff. And that's the difficulty. He's a footballer.

He's like, I've got experience with taking photographs with fans. If this had just been some random kid, like no one would know. And then chapels come out and said, look, it wasn't my security. I was just having my breakfast. I wasn't even looking around. I didn't see anyone. I didn't see anything. If that happened, I'm really sorry.

But, like, I didn't tell my security guard to do that. Then the girl's mom, Catherine Harding, has done a video saying that whether or not the security guard was, as she called her, Chappelle's personal security or not, the way that they behaved wasn't right. She said, I've got a very famous husband. We're very used to this. It's a very long video. The thing that I'm liking every single tweet because then what other people have found out is that Jude Law has all these different, like, kids from all these different people. And someone tweeted yesterday that it was like statistically any of us could be do, your daughter.

And then what's happened is someone also put up a picture of the young girl smiling and think that this is before with too heartbroken tweets. And then everyone is quote tweeting at being like, RIP, can't believe Chapel shot her. Like they just, it's just gone so far. Everyone's making up that she's died. So the point of well, I can't even form an opinion anymore

because it's just one of the funniest thing. Like it is travelled so far. And there's also videos. I think I sent you one of Chapel like, pointing and her security card and they were like this is what she did i mean i don't know what to think i think chapel's fair enough to like make her own rules i don't think that grown man's security bench be going and shouting at children no no no no but i don't know if they're making the case any better because then katherine honda's kind of posts the pictures of her daughter with lewis capaldi and other famous

people at and it's like maybe you are going around and trying to get pictures with every celebrity you're making your child a meme because you don't understand the new internet and it is i mean i'm I feel like I'm allowed to laugh at the memes. Not like, I don't want to laugh at the, because there's ones with the kid being like, the angel wings, people like, you've got to test your Coke. And you're like, how have we got to this point? She's the only innocent in this, but from Baby Chapel Road. Like, not stoking the flames, basically just was having breakfast with the rich parents.

The tweets are quite funny. There's a Trixie Mattel tweet that Trixie dug up from 2020 that says, normalise walking by a child and saying, and who the fuck are you? And she sort of tweeted it being like still relevant. My favourite one that I retweeted was At ex-coy boy genius said I was a security guard who yelled at the child I acted my own accord

My name is Timothy Chalemayne And my defence I think a kid was a ballerina I mean it's awful I obviously don't want anyone to be upset And the four little guy I'm sure it's really depressing But it has birthed Some of the most beautiful moments

On the internet recently There was one A picture of chapel A video of her lying in bed and somebody just put the witch from Ansela and Greta and I can stop that. Oh yeah. People are also posting Chapples video being like,

put it on mute and then watch her face. Does it look like an apology to see in summary tweets that like flip it back to front, put it in red, die-haired green? Like, put emotes all over it. Does they look like she'll just apologises? Everyone is 12 again. It was completely, it was people comparing it to when everyone was watching all the single ladies by Beyonce backwards and being like,

it's demonic. Fine when you're 12. These are adults being like, and she's not really apologising now, is it? If you imagine that she's not. I think the discourse, what's about it, has been kind of interesting because some people are saying this is like a White Lotus subplot. This is the two guards of fame and power and in contrast.

And the internet is actually not really having it. Yes, the stands, the anti-chapel stands are having it, but they look ridiculous. And everyone else is going, actually, let's interrogate this. Why would you, with your relative power, be allowed to do this? Why would the mayor get involved? You will allow abusers into your city but a woman perhaps hires a man

who does something terrible and she is banned forever. I found it quite interesting but at the heart of it is a very boring story. It is interesting because people are saying it's kind of like a smear campaign against Chapel like I don't know it is mad that she's getting this level like people are loving it and people love to hate on her there's been so much stuff recently there was that video of her

I don't know where she was and people were trying to get pictures and she got really annoyed at them. Paris I think she was filming she was being hounded and she was filming back being kind of showing them what they were doing to her. And so it's stoking a flame that already exists But there was a tweet and I'm trying to get up I can't get my signal on my phone

Did you guys see the one from Denise Welsh? No, oh my God, did she comment on this? I think so Denise Welsh I think chimed in saying about Like people are very up in arms about whether or not it's true Just about the fact that chapel has put these boundaries up And been like, look, I don't care that I'm famous I don't want to be famous all the time And I don't know, maybe she's not entitled to that

That's how people think like maybe you can't have that I'm not saying I think this But maybe there actually isn't a world in which that functions Maybe you cannot have all the benefits of fame and... A right to privacy. Yeah, that much. And a right to not. Which I think we all disagree with.

I do disagree with it, but maybe it literally is like... Not possible. How can you do that? So I think that is, she does rub people up the wrong way. Wait, was Denise Welsh in support of? No. Of course she was in. Was she always on the wrong side.

I can't remember what she said. Boy George said something similar. And I think I wanted to be like, hey, boy, George, I know you were very famous, but it was in a very different time. You were not chapel levels of fame now. He was sort of being like, enjoy it, babe. You can't. And I went, I think this is a different level, Mr. George, Mr. Boy.

I also think she kind of represents almost like this very clear distinction between like, you know how there's like a culture barrier between, say, like, boomers and Gen Z? Boomers, I feel like are particularly riled up by somebody like Chapel Rhone who they perceive to be like a snowflake and like too woke and all this kind of stuff. She speaks out about Palestine and Gaza and Kamala Harris. And they almost feel like she's getting a bit too big for her boots and she's not grateful enough for where she is. And I think I can sense that it stinks off a lot of the commentary of her time and time again. And I think that's why I just can't take any of it seriously because I think it's so disingenuous, a lot of it. I guess to get into it, what do you think did happen?

Because she says it wasn't her personal security, but it does seem very odd for a security to do that on behalf of her. Yeah, maybe the hotel, Catherine said the hotel is not the hotel security. It got like the most boring murder mystery ever. Maybe it was a sort of third party. Maybe it was a part of a team that she didn't know. Like her personal security, I'm assuming, I literally everywhere with her, this moment. may well be associated with the festival. I mean, it really, I can't stress how boring the answer will be,

but I still can't wait to find out. And also, there is the possibility that she just cocked up and she didn't realize it was like a little girl and she's like on hypervigilance with this like fandom situation. Her mental health hasn't been great in the past, which is why she had those like string cancellations. There is a world where she made a mistake and because of how explosive this whole story has gone.

She's like, oh, I'm backtracking. That is a possibility which I still don't think makes her a villain. No. I do almost feel like she is making it hard of herself. I almost think it's more exhausting trying to stop keeping these boundaries up than it would be sometimes. But I guess that's the point of boundaries. It's like if people don't respect them.

They're not easy. Yeah. So one tweet that I did also see is at boy GRL, which I think is boy girl, said, I think it's okay that Chapel Rowan killed a small child. And you know, I think it's important to explore the takes here. It's the way it's so funny. I just find the whole thing really hilarious. Oh, God.

But it's this sincerity as well, I guess, of like, obviously Georgino wasn't there. So his wife has relayed what's happened. He's got very cross because he obviously feels like he's been in the public eye. They feel a massive sense of injustice. But there is another world where you just feel a bit embarrassed that your kids gotten told off and you go, oh, shoot, you know. Because also, I think the interesting thing about being in those celebrities faces often is, more often than not, you don't get approached. Like, Chappel probably wouldn't expect to be approached. It's quite an exclusive hotel by the looks things Lewis Capaldi was that they got a picture with them.

I think that it's a bit like when I used to go to her house, you kind of weren't meant to look if there was someone famous there because the whole point is if they're in there, they're in there to like feel comfortable. So there is another world in which as well, which maybe some sort of like gentle parenting could have been done, you know, being like, I don't think a grown man should have shouted at a child.

No. But something must have happened more than... Yeah, maybe she had a gun. We probably will get the child's response at some point. It's getting someone on Twitter at PMD. Jamilla wrote, it's becoming clear this entire Chaparone controversy is literally just rich celebrity parents whining online because they didn't get their way and now they won't stop until their entitled asses get a VIP pass.

Isbol, which I think means I just bust out laughing. Yeah, I didn't know what that meant for years. I was like an insult or something, but yeah. I'm just idjoballing. A rich kid cried and now we won't hear the end of it. I mean, it's an interesting angle. I think ultimately a rich kid did cry. She's right to cry of an adult shouts at you.

Securet Guard was an asshole. Chaperone may not have been involved. The mayor's involved now. We won't hear the end of it. And I know we're talking about it. We're involved. We're involved. I'm involved.

Do you know, laws bloody involved? His whole Wikipedia personal life section is being, do you see that tweet being like, he's a whore? Oh my God. I know. So I think she might have deleted it because I couldn't find it about this. Back to the News Wales. I don't know.

Someone screamed to it. I couldn't find on her thing. But she put, Who the fuck does Chapel Mone? Sorry, Rhone, think she is. I absolutely hate this attitude and famous people. I also understand boundaries. I would think this is from the Parising recently.

But the few paps that were harassing her in verticommas the other week, I've had more outside Wild and Snow Sainsbury's on a quiet news day for fuck's sake. So that wasn't from that day but she did chime. She makes it hard to defend her. Bad takes. Commit to bad take she is. I knew that Jude Law was a bit of a whore. I knew that he was having babies with nannies and whatever else he was doing.

I didn't know about this kid. I now know exactly what that child looks like. That's my issue. That picture of that little girl has been passed all over the internet. And who shared those pictures? I guess was it the mum? It must have been, yeah. So that's the other thing I was thinking like,

they are really making me laugh, but it's the same, like, she is a meme now. And that's something you can't take back. We had a good time there. Yeah. So next we're going to dive into a massive scandal in the publishing world. Shy Girl is a horror novel by Mia Ballard that is out in the UK and was set for release in the US next month.

But last week, Hachette pulled the US release and announced it would be discontinued in the UK following allegations it had been written by AI. Before this happened, there were several good read reviews, social posts, there was an amazing YouTube video we'll get onto, and a Reddit thread that started accusing the book of being written by AI, but Hachette said it had conducted its own investigation before making the decision. There's been so much discourse around AIUs in fiction, but this appears to be the first commercial novel from a major publishing house to be pulled over evidence of AIUs, according to the New York Times. Shy Girl is about a desperate young woman who is held hostage by a man she met online and forced to live as his pair and was self-published to quite a lot of acclaim in February 2025. So Ballard, who had sold almost 2,000 copies of the book in the UK, has denied using AI to write the book,

telling the New York Times that an acquaintance that she hired to edit the original self-published version of the novel had used AI. Mia told MIT, this controversy has changed my life in many ways and my mental health is at an all-time low. my name is ruined for something I didn't even personally do, noting that she could not elaborate on how the book had been edited with AI because she was pursuing legal action. How did you both hear about the story? And what are your immediate thoughts on the scandal? We were aware of this story.

And maybe it was this 2.4, I mean, it was a long, it was an almost three-hour YouTube video that we had posted in our chat. And we were across this before the book got pulled. I don't know why we didn't cover it. It was just a long video. So that's how I was aware of it. I sort of came and then went. away. I had assumed that it had been dealt with or the claims had been unfounded. It was only

this week that I thought, oh, that book was due to come out and they finally caught up with this. I mean, the video essay. It's Frankie's bookshelf, a YouTube creator, bought the book initially last year to do for a book club, didn't get around to doing it, saw these accusations and then does a read-along with the audience. Two hours 40. I watched this yesterday. It's like excellent video. But my God, that's a whole like Lord of the Rings, almost. It's so long. I saw it has 1.3 million views now. I wonder if it's been kicked up with this being covered by, you know, every single publication. 1000%.

When I first saw it, it was Barry Pearce tweeted about it on the 23rd of January. And I think I sent it into the group then. And they tweeted by this latest book while drama of a popular femme goer novel by Chigal as being accused of being written by AI. There was a Reddit thread. I started reading the Reddit third found it really interesting. I remember thinking that maybe it was quite a niche thing and that it wasn't actually going to go anywhere. I was just enjoying reading the Reddit thread. I didn't really realize how much of an impact.

And then weirdly it was actually my partner then was like, oh my God, have you seen this article on the BBC? And I was like, oh, this is going places. And then we were like, okay. We should have covered this two months ago. What do you think about the fact that she is really sticking to her gun saying that AI has not been used in the writing process. But I know in the video dissecting it and also in the Reddit thread, they talk about the cadence and the word choice that is very typical. AI and it's almost like their claims are it's built into the bones of the book, very clear AI use.

Yeah. Having watched the video and it is really granular, it's sentence by sentence and actually at the end, Frankie does this, like kind of runs it through a process, like, and tells you this is the word count of the amount of times this same phrase is used. No doubt in my mind that there's a hand in it. But of course, the question is, what role has the author had in this? Was this the third party? Are they kind of innocent in this?

and this is just not smear campaign, but just a very unfortunate hiring process. Watching the video, yeah, no doubt in my mind, I mean, the word sharply, aside from the use of threes, which is an AITL, aside from there's some phrases in this book, which you think a human being wouldn't come up with that. One example that Frankie uses is, Gia, who is the main character, is evicted from her house, and the phrase on the eviction notice is pay rent or quit. It's a phrase which would be used technically in eviction notices, but it's kind of antiquated. And no human being, I think, would choose to use that because people would be confused. That's one of them.

Another one was the seconds pass, like the tick of a clock. That is how seconds do pass. It's kind of so obvious you don't think a human would do it. Examples like that, but then it is the phrases like sharply, which apparently is used almost every single page, just a little bit less. It's used 159 times in very similar. As sharply. Or sharp.

Yes. Very similar phrases each time as though an AI has got addicted to a ton of phrase. And human beings have ticks and tells, but we know to rein them in. And yeah, I just think the evidence is piling up. Not that Mia Ballad has necessarily done anything wrong, but that there was at some point in this, possibly an AI agent. It's interesting. In that Reddit thread, there's a person who brings up the book and they say,

look, I've been a book, edited in a publisher for years, and I got sent all sorts of manuscripts, all sorts that use AI. And I really have queries around this novel, and they pluck out like a section of it. And when you read it, it feels like a fever dream. And when you're reading it, you're kind of like, On one hand, it's almost like, it's terrible writing, but it's almost like amazing.

Like you kind of, it's a bit like the same feeling you get when you see those AI videos where you can't quite. It's just uncanny, really strange use of language. I mean, it is difficult to know. If she's sounding on her guns that someone has AI edited, that's awful. But the thing that really stuck out to me,

which we spoke about as well, was under Frankie Shelf's video. They've then now written a comment due to Hachet having pulled it. And they said, what's really interesting is we need to be questioning them, as in Hachette, even more so than Ballard. Obviously, she fucked up big time.

And having purchased and read the self-published version, I do very much still feel scammed by her. But Hachet, as a big five publisher, is just getting away with all their fuck-ups in this situation while throwing a black woman under the bus for it, and that is insanity. They go on to say how, like, Hachet took this book on,

barely really made any edits, put it out to be published, and it was only when the controversy happened that they decided to pull it. Because when I first thought it was being pulled, I said to you both, oh, this is quite heartening. It shows that publishers don't want to put out AI,

generated works into the world, that makes me feel good because that's something that's threatening. Then actually think about it and you're like, oh wait, but they did, they did acquire it and they did take off the self-publishers. They were going to put it out. And apparently there's very little editorial differences that have been made apart from like formatting. Like, it's pretty much the same. So we really do need to look at the publishers because if we can tell and if all these people on Reddit can tell and a YouTuber can tell and pretty much anyone who'd read the self-published version was going, think this is written by AI. How did Hachette not know? until this all came to light. I think that's maybe because I do, I had to say, I feel awful

for Mia Ballard, even if she did it, I kind of feel like this would ruin your life. Well, yeah, this is going to be associated with Mia's name for a really, really, really long time. It is your nightmare as an author to have something completely out of your control associated with anything, anyone ever Googles about you for possibly like, I don't know, a few years. I think what you said about that take is really interesting and it is a good point. and it feels like all the concentration has been funneled on Mia with the reporting. And it does make me wonder, I guess the most cynical take you could possibly have is that Hachet was happy for it to be AI until it became a palava online

and until it became almost like toxic to touch the book because everyone was discussing it as if they didn't know. And then they had to stand for something. That's the most cynical take. That's not necessarily what I think has happened, but it could be. And then the least cynical is that they're just not up to scratch with being able to filter this stuff. I read online that apparently with books that are taken up by these publishers, you have to sign something that says that AI has not been used in the process. But I don't know, it just feels like with the ubiquity of it, is that even enough just for people to sign a waiver saying that AI is not involved?

I don't know. It's so interesting. So I remember even a few months ago, I sent you both a substack and I was like this. But weirdly all the comments underneath it, it's written by AI, I couldn't tell. And then Beth, you read it and you were like, no, I can't tell either. I went back and looked and I can tell now. because we've moved on. I now can really see the cadence of it.

I am seeing it everywhere. But I didn't have a language for it before. I didn't understand the rhythm of it. I didn't know all the tales. So I guess there's a world in which some of the publishers at the houses haven't read widely enough to know. There is also, I mean, I now don't put m-dashers in anything.

We neither. Because I'm too scared. I was like, anything I write, I'm like, because there's certain things that I watch a bit of the Frankie video and that if you say to this, to that. And I was like, I love saying stuff like that. I love going.

It was too much. It was too hard. That's how. Blah, blah, blah. So there's things that I like actively, I actually get really self-conscious about my writing and try to make it not sound like AI. But there's also, there's going to be ways in which you naturally write similarly.

Or people are reading loads of AI writing. And it's teaching them how to write. Horrible. This is the thing. It's actually really, really hard to tell. And obviously people use AI to detect if AI has been used. But with there being so much and I mean, I didn't realize for a very long time how much writing was already being done on AI.

Because it took me so long to get that. this book came out, when was it first published last? 20 to 25 February. So maybe people were using it already then, I guess maybe at the point they acquired it, we didn't have a language. Yeah. But it's interesting because I actually read an excerpt that someone shared on substack about something Bell Hooks wrote.

And I was like, you would think this is AI if you read it now. Stop! Because it's the language she uses is quite flowery and it's kind of like what we would almost see is it was just a specific thing. We have trained AIs on the most popular writers against their well. They trained on my book. I think they might have trained on me. No, I don't think.

Oh, yeah, maybe it was, yeah. But yeah, it was interesting because it was like, it's obviously great writing, but it's talking about how she's designed to live a life of like she wants to put in a silk project. The way it was written, and I was like, if someone wrote that now, because of how cynical we are,

you would think no one's better. You've had a bit of help. Yeah. awful. I'm, the writer Adam Kaye on Twitter put his, he said, it's interesting, I put my book through an AI checker and I wrote this long before there was any AI and it came back as partly AI written.

These are flawed models. I think someone else, I don't know this was apocryphal, but someone else said that you put that Abraham Lincoln's like address to Congress or whatever. And that's also AI, but it's not. I mean, I find the whole thing, it tests my patience with a lot of things. As someone who's just finished, just written a book. I mean, I was so familiar with every, obviously now it's gone off to editor. So I was so familiar with every sentence, there is a level of ownership to a book. If you've written a book and then an editor takes it on, that is still, you have to then go through every change.

I think it's such a hands-off approach. I can't imagine writing books like that. Something has changed in this profession where that, you know, it would not be possible for an editor to deliver me back something that was so altered and so, I mean, it's not good quality that I would be okay with putting that out. I mean, it's failures on several levels. But it's just a complete lack of care that this is an art form and this is like what it could be more important than it being your words.

It's also interesting because with self-publishing, I imagine you have more. didn't see them with an editor. Like when I got my book back, it would be like redline, redline, redline. You accept comments, you say no. You can turn things down, but you have final say. They will be like comments and everything. But ultimately, your text, your book, they'll obviously tell you if your grammar's wrong. But a lot of it is like kind of stylistic. But you as the author are the one accepting or denying the changes. So yes, it is interesting to think that the book was then put out and she didn't read over it. Yeah, one editor. I mean, it's plausible, but I think it's very lazy.

And then the fact a Big Five publisher comes in and doesn't save the day, doesn't turn this. Which is a really excellent premise with potential for greatness. It sounds like Frankie's review is this is dog shit. Like I summarised the book from the video if you both. Like it goes, it's insane. It's a wild ride. It's a wild ride. But it could absolutely sell there is such a market for this kind of femme horror.

For them to have this potentially viral book. Another controversy, which was right in the early publishing, self-publishing stages, is she, Mia Ballet had used a thumbnail of an existing painting that she'd found on Pinterest and hadn't used it by the artist Win Lewis, I believe. Trimmed it down, uploaded it. Then it went to, I think the publishers must have dealt with it, you know, must have paid. They did a very similar cover art, but it wasn't by Win Lewis, I don't believe. So like, even in the early stage there's just this lack of caring about artistic agency.

Who do things belong to? Why does it matter that we properly accredit things? It's just the whole thing. It's messy. It is messy. I don't think people, like, I didn't know for years that you couldn't just take a picture of the internet and put it somewhere. Like, things are owned and copyrighted by people. But it is, it is messy. And I do, I have to say, I do put a lot of responsibility at the publisher's doors. And I do feel, I do feel like it's such a mess. What's annoying is it feel, it felt like a real win. It felt like, oh good. But actually, this shouldn't have even been picked up at all. Or if it was picked up, there should have been really heavy editorial processing with them. I think what you were saying about imagery. as well as really interesting. And I do think the way the modern internet is set up is that you pick and steal other people's content

and you replicate it or you duet with it. And it just feels like that kind of care of crediting of knowing what is IP of somebody else's. It kind of feels like that just isn't protected in the way that it possibly used to be or maybe just isn't as important. Like clip farming, we spoke about this like months ago how people just take, you know, snippets of popular podcast,

put it on their own channel and then profit off it and get loads of money. It just does feel like stealing a bit of stuff from other people or kind of like repurposing content, taking other people's work and just using it as part of your own just is the norm, which I think is quite a bleak, tangential point from all of this as well. This is really annoying because I'm trying to get the name of my partner,

but he was like there was a male author not that long ago who got done for like having written a whole book with AI. It went away and he just published another book. And no one cared and I'm trying to get their name. But I don't think that will happen for her. Like I am concerned for mental health. It is bad. Writing a book is so hard.

Writing fiction is an extremely difficult thing to do. It's not, you won't gain anything from it from outsourcing it to AI. People can do it all they want, but Nisha Donan will link it in the show notes. Such an amazing substack. And it was all about, she's like everyone wants to be an author, but nobody wants to write. And it's like the process of the writing is the thing. The book is the end result. But actually it's the, it's the painstaking moments when you're choosing the right words,

getting the right tone, makes sure your character is the right. Like that is the world building. That is the writing of a book. That is the product is made from all of the, those hours of blood, sweat and tears. And so there are going to be people taking these shortcuts, but it isn't, it's never going to create. And I think, like, I skim watch a bit of Frankie's video because I knew that Beth was taking

the heft and properly watching it for us. But a lot of what Frankie says in their video is like, there's just nothing there. There's no coheafs, there's no truth, there's no heart to it. Like, a lot of this book is kind of like, what? It is all kind of all premise and all filler and then just sort of words shove together that look from a distance, like they're saying something interesting and kind of quite shocking and maybe in a family of sort of like an Eliza Clark or a Tesla Mosheg kind of vibe. Yeah.

But they're not. Just actually, there's nothing below the surface. People don't want to do the graph to become the writer that they could be, which is you start with this mess with idea. You don't know how to pace. I mean, it seems like there's a whole year in a chapter and then suddenly it's like the stuff that you learn from being a writer and having a good editor is the work of 10, 15 years, maybe longer. People don't want to put in the hard yards. And this is potentially a really promising writer, which.

Second chances for all, absolutely. I would read a mere ballad novel in the future. Lessons will be learned. I think people will be much harsher than they would be and have been for men. But I do think that is the lesson, which is you've got to start somewhere. But you then have to work very, very hard to become who you want to be as a writer to write an effective novel. You cannot. Maybe at some point in the future, AI will write a possible novel and at that day I'll walk into the sea.

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