Everything Is Content - Tattoo Regret, The End Of Personality & You

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

Murderous TV crushes, TikTok propaganda and whether the internet has eradicated all our unique personalities. Just another day in content city! First up at 15:45 we’re discussing which modern propaganda we are and are not falling for. From Labubus to organic deodorant, Dubai chocolate to Soho House, hormonal contraception to tattoo regret… what’s a psy-op and what’s a stretch?  Next up at 27 minutes we talk about the new Mary Oliver merch and the collapse of individuality. Have we lost the art of existing unselfconsciously in our quest to understand ourselves through consumption and categorisation?Aaaand spoiler alert from 42:50- we're being brutally honest about the latest and final series of You. Did it hit the spot or did it fail & flop? Let's find out!Thanks so much for listening! If you’ve enjoyed this episode please do leave us a gorgeous review or share us on your IG stories or in your most discerning group chat. Also follow us on IG and TikTok @ everythingiscontentpod for BTS clips & to get involved in the discourse. In partnership with Cue Podcasts.------Oenone’s been loving Four Seasons Ruchira’s been loving City on Fire & Chungking Express Beth’s been loving Service by Sarah Gilmartin Made to fade? Two years later my Ephemeral tattoo isn’t so temporary Mary Oliver Now Has a Merch Store, and She’d Hate ItPoetry Book Society - Devotions by Mary OliverNetflix - You S5  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm Beth. I'm Rachera. And I'm Anony. And this is Everything is Content, the podcast that dissects pop culture and the week's hottest, most unhinged discourse. From TV shows to fashion trends to books to celebrity breakups to viral long reads, there's nothing that's off limits. With the SPF of pop culture discourse, keeping you protected from the UV rays of misinformation

and ignorance. This week on the podcast, we're talking about the end of a killer Netflix show, Mary Oliver's new march and a propaganda based trend sweeping TikTok. Are we falling for it? Are you? Follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Everything is Contemplored. And if you do enjoy the podcast, the most helpful and generous thing you can do to help us keep making it is to leave us a lovely review wherever you listen. But before we get into today's topics, what have you both been loving this week? I have been watching. Have either of you been watching the Four Seasons on Netflix? That's mine. Oh my God, please can we talk about this?

Okay, should we just all talk about it? So I'm only, I think I'm three episodes in, but I saw some of my girlfriends. Oh, after my half marathon, I was having lunch with some of my friends and all of them have watched it. All of them suggested I should watch it. And so I settled in that evening and I watched a few episodes and I am hook, line, sinker obsessed. Oh, I love that. It's so good, isn't it? I really enjoyed watching it. And Innie, do you want to set up and tell, I'm sure everyone's going to watch this. I

think it's actually going to be one of the best things Netflix puts out this year. But do you want to tell the listeners a little bit about the show? So it's a group of three couples that meet up for one of the couples, I think it's their 25th wedding anniversary. It's Steve Carrell and his wife, who is played by Kerry Kenny Silver. Then there's also Coleman Domingo, Will Forte, Tina Fey and Marco Calvani. So basically they're like in their midlife, they meet up for this kind of like idyllic friends break. And then how far can I, do you think I can give away what the crux of the first episode or not really? I would just speak in vague terms about the thing, not the who's, but the what's.

Okay. So it's, yeah, basically these friends have been friends for a long time, they're all in longstanding marriages. And then as they're getting older, perhaps their perspectives are starting to shift and this changes the dynamic. And what is quite a funny, it is a comedy drama, also is very human and it has a lot of empathy, heart and it's maybe a bit more deep than I was expecting it to be in terms of like commentary on life and the past that we may end up walking down. That was perfect plotted synopsis. Do you know what I'm really enjoying about it? One, it's like they're all going on these, it's across the four seasons and they're going on different like kind of mini break group trips. And it's the kind of trips that you kind of, you have

to have money to do. You have to have, be a bit established and they're going on these trips and it is, yeah, they're baked in dynamics and also several grenades are thrown in terms of like new people coming to group, fractures in friendships and marriages. And I'm like, it's quite a nice departure I'm finding from, I've been watching a lot of maybe Gen Z millennial issues based stuff. And because it's just a little bit too close to home, whereas this is like a real vacation almost from that. And I've been really soaking it in, because maybe it's not as relatable as the stuff that I've been watching. It's not hurting my feelings in the same way. What do you love about it, Ruchira?

Ruchira I just love Colman Domingo and Tina Fey. And I love all of these people that I love, like Steve Carell, just this imaginary world where they're all best friends and they've known each other from college and the interpersonal dynamics between people who've known each other for decades of their life, not years, decades. Because at this point, I think they're meant to be in their 50s, maybe early, maybe mid. And college is where they first met. So the amount of stories, the amount of kind of law between them is so lovely.

And I just, I really love watching friendships like that play out on screen for people who've known each other most of their lives. It really, there's a certain type of stakes that it brings into a show that isn't necessarily, you know, life or death, but it's also just like the bond is so deep that everything becomes, you know, mammoth. If you have an argument, if you have discord, if you don't like somebody's partner, something like that, because they're essentially family. You're hanging out with family when you watch the show.

It's funny because it's, I agree. I also, one of the things that makes me sad about being single, one of the, like genuinely, only things that I genuinely, oh God, when I say I had that feeling of grief for life that I missed is I've always wanted to have, be like best friends in a couple with like other couples and grow up together to the point where like my friend's

husband is also my best friend. Like our, everyone's relationships have merged into this kind of centralized group, grow up together to the point where like my friend's husband is also my best friend. Like everyone's relationships have merged into this kind of centralized group, which I obviously won't have in the same way now because if I meet someone, it will be in my 30s. And obviously, by the time I'm 70, I could have had 40 years of friendship, but some of us might have died by then, do you know what I mean? It's just not the same. And so, and it's interesting because the book that we're doing for book club, Dream State, has a similar thing where it lurches forward and these college friends, you watch them through eras and decades and marriages and children. And there is something really beautiful about that sort of the bond and just the passage of time and nothing super

complicated. It's just a very human story, but I do agree. I want to be going on these holidays. I want to be, you know,. I want to be going on the boat. And there's no question of sort of split wise or whether someone's got to get a train and then they're all just in nice cars, big hats. I want to be grown and rich. I want to be moneyed and married to Steve Carell. He might not want to be married to you. That's the problem. He's a slippery character. No, you'd be the right age.

Yeah. But his character shall we say, we're not besmirching the good name of Steve Krall, who has been married to the same woman for a long time. I think he played his girlfriend in The Office, didn't she? She's an actor, an actress, his wife. I remember that now. He's a good man, Savannah. So was that all of what we've been loving? No, no, no. How could that happen before? Oh, okay. It wasn't going to be mine, but it could've been loving? No, no, no. That's what happened before. Oh, okay. It wasn't going to be mine, but it could have been. I just forgot to mention it.

That's so funny. It could have been. What was yours, Ruchira? Okay, so I've got two. One of them, I'll go to the TV first. The TV one is City of Fire, which is an Apple TV series starring Jemima Kirk. And it out in 2023 and my boyfriend sent me an Instagram post of the, I guess the promo for it. I think it came on his timeline and they described it as The Wire Meets The OC. It's created by the same duo who created The OC and Gossip Girl, which is literally my fucking catnip. I've been obsessed with that. I finished it. It's like

a whodunit for the Manhattan elite. Also hipster-y because it's set in 2011. So it's all warehouse bands. The fact that Jemima Kirk's playing, I don't know, a Republican mum in it is so funny. Have you heard of this? No, I don't think so. Not a sniffoo or a snaffoo about this. I'm kind of disappointed though, because I kind of feel like I do know these under the ground. I love her. I mean, I remember seeing her in sex education and being like, yes, that's my girl. I'm going to track down everything you've ever done and evidently failed.

This has to be your next thing. I don't know if I would say that it's excellent. I would definitely say that I've been doing almost like an appointment TV to watch it every evening and I look forward to it so much. It's just enjoyable. It's not challenging me necessarily, but it's just so fun to watch. And I think, especially because all of the kind of aesthetics of the late 2010s is coming back, it's just really fun to see it on screen. Like the kind of slept dresses, the fur coats with the fur collars, the gemstone eye makeup, all of that kind of stuff represented. And yeah, it's just also at the heart of it a whodunit. So it means that every week information is kind of getting unpeeled about a possible

shooting of somebody involved in the series. So it's just fun. It's pure fun. Shooting and then fun. I was like, Oh my God, sounds quite spicy. It's pure fun. It's a really fun murder. Yeah. Comedy. No. So the second thing that I wanted to talk about is Wonka Way's film Chunking Express, which I saw at the Prince Charles Cinema, God Rest Its Soul, the best cinema in London. It's always on there.

Truly. It's not close, is it? No, I said God Rest Its Soul and I was like, that makes it sound like it's died. It's always on there. Truly. It's not close, is it? No, I said, God rest its soul, and I was like, that makes it sound like it's died. It's not died. I just meant to give it some respect, but I said the wrong thing. Wasn't that the one that we all signed the petition for? Yeah, it's still going. They've had a reprieve. Yeah. My heart rate. It's often on there, this film, isn't it? Yeah, it's so good. It's the most charming series of stories about people who just essentially have lust at first sight for people in their lives and have the most ridiculous micro love

stories across the city. And that is also something that I'm obsessed with. The idea that just because you might fall in lust with somebody, it doesn't mean that those emotions and those feelings and the kind of beauty of it and how it looks and the melodrama of it, it doesn't mean that it's any less interesting or fascinating or worth respecting. I don't know, he really does just lean into the melodrama of the most unhinged people that you could possibly meet in your life and I really love it. I love to romanticise fleeting encounters for the rest of my born days. Truly. Well, they're the nicest, I think like a fling or something that never really starts and never really ends is one of the best things because it doesn't get sullied by the passage of time,

the farting in front of each other, and deciding they actually really don't like their mom. Do you know what I mean? That's like Venice of that is harder. But when you don't, when you never actually get to peel behind the curtain of someone that you really fancy, they exist almost as like, it is all fantasy. Crystalized, preserved in amber. Yeah, beautiful. Oh, lovely film there. I might try and see that one next.

If you haven't seen it. In London. Do it. Cause it's always on there. Same with, in the movie for love, which we've discussed here and one of my favorite films. It's always on there. Such a great place. I go at lunchtime, me, myself, my apple, sometimes a beer. I won't lie to you. And I watch this film again and again.

An apple. Do you take an apple at the cinema? Yeah, sometimes you have a little apple. If there's no one else there, because it's quite crunchy, it's quite antisocial to actually, otherwise you can suck on it. But I cannot. No, I have to eat pick and mix at the cinema. You're a pick and mix girl. Yeah, I can't imagine eating fruit. Sorry, I'm a health freak. An apple is a rogue one. Unless it was like fruit covered in something. A toffee apple in the cinema. Oh, I forgot about toffee apple. I can imagine you having a toffee apple in the cinema bobbing for apples. What is going on? I've lost the plot. What you're doing with the core, that's what's kind of upsetting me.

Are you just sitting there the whole time holding the core? I do what my granddad did, which was just eat the entire thing. No, I can carry an apple around. You put it in a little sandwich bag, in your Gore-Tex pocket, and you're away. Why have you got a sandwich bag? Have you brought the sandwich bag for the core?

For the apple, yeah. Okay. Have you brought a button-sized, like a baggie, like a drug baggie just to put the core in when you finish? That wouldn't say a core. Not that I would know. I've got the seeds in one. I've got the core in the other. Listeners, please write in with your most unconventional cinema snacks so I don't feel so alone.

Beth, what have you been loving? So mine is a book. I'm working through my holiday books as promised. And this is a book I read and loved on holiday called Service by Sarah Gilmartin, or Gilmartin, no, Gilmartin I think, which is, if you've not read it, three intersecting stories of what happened at a high-end Dublin restaurant, I believe in the 2000s, pre 2010s or around then. Those narratives are the head chef, his wife, and a waitress who was working there. The chef has since been accused of sexual assault and is about to go to this quite high profile trial and it just orbits these three characters as they reckon with what happened back then,

what's happening now, and then what will happen in the aftermath of a verdict. It's really good. It's just a classic me too story of charismatic, difficult, brilliant man who by virtue of that has been able to get away with, or the question is, has he, with something that he alleges never happened, that he's fallen foul of disgruntled women and ex-romances. It just involves that everyone being sucked into this orbit, what is true, what is not true, who's victim, who's not at scale and abuse with those dynamics. It's very uncomfortable reading. There's been a lot of books in this vein, of course. It's endlessly interesting because it perpetuates and it goes on. But I found myself completely gripped. It was one of the most, one of my top reads of the holiday. I don't know when

it came out. I don't think it was, it's not a brand new book. I wonder if either of you have read slash heard of it. I haven't read it. I think when we get to the end of your books, we're going to have to do a post on Instagram with a list of all of them. Because we did actually get a comment on Spotify and a couple of DMs, we had a comment on Spotify from Hannah saying, just listen to wedding people on audiobook of best recommendation. I can recommend it being another good way to consume the book, loved it. And then I think we had a few DMs. So I think this book list, you could do a whole mini series of it.

I will, I'll compile them all for the people that don't get their pens and paper out at the beginning of the episode as they should to write down all the recommendations that we have. Well, we do put them in the show notes, so they don't have to be in the screenshot. We make it as easy as possible. I've also got something else that I wanted to share, which is just a great thing that I saw on the internet this week. I was watching TikTok, I was trying to dissociate, and there was a video of a girl, she was filming her making breakfast and she sort of had this brain fart moment where she picked up her glass of orange juice and put it in the pan. And there's a moment where she goes, something's wrong here. I

just don't know what. And then it figures. And the comment section was pure gold. I want to read a few just of other people sharing that kind of brain fart moments. Someone wrote, I took me out to defrost, but took it with me to work, which really made me laugh. Someone else said, I went fishing, took a pic of the fish I caught, then threw my phone into the lake. I can imagine doing it. Someone else said that they were taking their food, their dinner to bed, and they threw their dinner on the bed and then gently placed their phone down on the bedside table.

And then they were like, oh no, there were some other good ones. Someone else said that they went into a shop, didn't buy anything, but then waited in the queue for 10 minutes for nothing. Which made me die. It was so funny. These are cracking me up because this is a daily occurrence for me. You know when you do the thing at the end of the day where you collect the odds and sods that have littered the house. So I'll collect the hair bands to put in the little hair band pouch that I have in the thing and then the rubbish. And then I'll put the apple core in the hairband thing and throw all the hairbands in the bin. And then I'll stand there and think, oh no, that's not right. Or I constantly put things in the bin that I'm aiming to put somewhere else. A wad of cotton pads and makeup remover I'll put into

my underwear drawer and then the underwear goes in the bin. This is all the time. And putting things in the fridge, my watch, I couldn't find my Garmin watch for ages. I'd put it in the fridge next to the Diet Coke. It was a reaching optimal temperature. One more, I'll read. Someone said, once when my mum sneezed, I said very confidently, Bon Appetit, instead of bless you. And then said, please, instead of sorry. So she went, Bon Appetit please, like just those moments. I love it. Another one actually said, I knocked on my sister's door, then I said come in to myself and proceeded to walk in. I was just cracking up. I think TikTok comment sections, when you find one like this, it's like Twitter

and it's heyday. It's just, wow, Jessica's really made me laugh. So a trend that I've really been enjoying, to speak more of TikTok, is a trend called propaganda I'm not falling for, which has been making the rounds on multiple social medias. It has broken containment, and it's basically what it says on the tin. It's a list of things that primarily women I've seen at saying they're not buying into,

ranging from fun and silly ones like organic deodorant, Dubai chocolate, tuna and Soho house to the more profound like the rise of anti-intellectualism, divine femininity being real and gendered clothing to the more controversial such as age gaps over five years, big weddings and monogamy. I watched I think over a hundred of these videos and I would like to tell you both some of the things that came up the most and maybe you can tell me if you, if it's propaganda, that you are or are not falling for, etc. How does that sound? Yes, I'm so down. Good to me.

Okay, so the first one that everyone had on the list was Lebooboos and I hope I'm saying that correctly. Lebooboos. Oh my god, why are these so popular? I do not understand for the life of me these outrageously hideous troll doll things. The trolls I think are quite cute and sexy, but these I don't understand. They're so scary to me. Their faces, they're scary. You're not falling for that one then? No. I'm not falling for them, but I have actually watched people do Le-bub-u unboxings. I don't

know how I ended up there. Don't ask. And now you're going to have nothing but that for the next like eight day cycle. I mean, they are so friendly. No, they're these little like that, I think bag charms or do people just put them on their bags? They're like the kind of thing. So they're bag charms. That's interesting. I don't think they were designed as bad charms. I think they were actually like toys initially. But they're made by this artist and they're not like extremely expensive, sorry. So then people were like, it's kind of consumable art that people would have in the house. But then it became a statement symbol. So then people started putting them on designer bags, like you might an expensive kind of key chain. And I believe, I don't know if this is always

the case, but you can buy like a surprise box. So it's a bit like, I guess in Harry Potter when you don't know which person you're going to get when you got the frog or whatever, you know, you got the card, you don't know which Laboubu you're going to get. So they're always buying more, but it's become a real, there's like celebrities wearing them and it's, I just don't have disposable income to be making such silly purchases. And thank God. I feel like Central Sea helped popularize them, right? He was one of the people. What a crossover.

I know. Okay. Another one we have is sweatpants jeans. So first off, do you know what I'm talking about when I say sweatpants jeans? I think it's a rag and bone mix or something. So they're very expensive, I found out. And they are basically sweatpants material with, and on camera, they really have the appearance of jeans, but they're just as comfortable as sweatpants. I've not seen them in the flesh, so I can't say actually whether they do fool the eye. Have either of you seen them in person and are you falling for propaganda? Not in person. No, I've not seen it on IRL. I also think it's one of those things that on a super model, because I've seen them on certain people, I'm like, that's amazing. But I actually think if

I put them on, people will be like, she's kind of spray painted a pair of trackies to make them look like jeans. Also just don't wear jeans. I don't like it's not like, I don't know. There's no like societal pressure that everyone must be in jeans all the time. It's so fine to not wear jeans. So brave. And also there's lots of other trouser alternatives, which have a stretchy waistband, like a linen trouser that's smart. Honestly, I'm wearing some now. I love. Like not jeans.

Listeners, I can confirm she looks chic as hell and not nary a thread of denim inside. Yeah, I think they look sort of ugly. I mean, they're fine, but they look sort of ugly. And for like at least 200, Del has a pop. I think propaganda and we're not falling for it. We'll just wear our other sheet trousers. Another one, which I think actually this probably should be its own topic, but a lot of people are saying hormonal contraception and then there's a lot of pushback from people being like, don't demonize hormonal contraception. It's become its own kind of circular discourse. Do we have any thoughts on this or too spicy?

I think it's a really complicated one. I actually did stop taking hormone contraception because it doesn't work for me, but I also think there's a massive danger and a kind of a far right element to telling women to kind of not be on birth control or not use it for their own safety and whatever they need it for. From personal experience, I don't love it. It doesn't work for me. I have other friends that have been on the pill for years and it's their best friend. I think it's a case by case thing. I think there's a scary undertone to this one, I'd say. Yeah. The only thing I would say is it's a bit fear mongery, isn't it? Because much like Anoni said, one person's experience just can't really be the exact same as somebody else's. And I also

one person's experience just can't really be the exact same as somebody else's. And I also feel like saying that this is almost like, I don't know, comparing it to a scam is that worries me. It's not a scam. Yeah. Do you know, I actually came up with a few of my own and the top of my list was flip flops. I think flip flops are propaganda. I don't think they're comfortable. I don't know how people are wearing those. There's a rod. There's a plastic rod between your toes and you are having me believe you're comfortable. I think you're all lying. Propaganda. Oh, that's so true. Oh my God, you've just won me over. What do you think, Elaine? I do. The one thing that's really upsetting with the flip-flop is if you walk through

somewhere really dusty, then your foot gets sweaty, but that's any kind of sandal. Or if you trip, which as I'm prone to do, as someone with absolutely no social awareness, then you kind of flick the middle bit up. You can kind of do the foot injury. I've got that. That being said, I still really like the look of a flip-flop and actually I'm really up to sex minor in storage. And I think I love that Scandi look of a flip-flop like with a long skirt or a jean. So sorry, I'm subscribed. I really want to get the heeled ones. Have you seen the like flat form, like 90s, noughties

vibe ones? Love. They are stunning, I think, but I just imagine they're really uncomfortable. I had a pair and then my friend was sick on them in a club. And I said to my other friends, I was like, do you think I can wash them? They're like, no, you're going to have to leave them here. And I was like, no. What were they made of? They were just like fabric-y. So like, and we, yeah, it was quite late in the night. Anyway, she vomited on my feet and I was like, but I love the shoes. They were like, leave them. We've got to go. We've got to go. Okay. I've got another one, which I think is tattoo regret. People are saying that they, I think we're living in a time when actually people are regretting tattoos and there's

a big tide turning on having tattoos, the aesthetic of them. Some of us, of course, on the podcast have tattoos. Having spoke to tattoo artists, they are also saying that it might be the economy, it might also be this new aesthetic, clean girl, whatever. Tattoo regret seems to be in and a lot of people seem to be having big regrets over what they chose to put on their bodies. I find that so fascinating. And I definitely agree. It feels like, do you remember that reformation campaign with Pete Davidson where they essentially just like airbrushed him so he had none of his tattoos and he was like completely, completely

just all skin, no marks and he's really well known for just being like inked all over. And I feel like I keep- He's getting his all off now. Yeah. I think he's having them- He's having them all removed. Oh. Was that before that?

So that picture, that was airbrushed, that wasn't like actually him having them lasered off. And my understanding is he's like slowly getting rid of them. So it obviously takes a while. Anyway, I definitely think you're right. There's like a trend of like rolling back on what was like, I think quite ubiquitous kind of like everyone just getting inked and like that was like the kind of sexy aesthetic. And now it's weird to see in our lifetime that that's just been ditched when it's not that easy to just like roll back the fact that you have ink all over you. And I do think, I don't know, it's strange to me because it's almost like losing the memory that that was who you were at that time. And it's okay to have a different perspective now, but you were true to yourself at that time. And there's almost like an honesty and just thinking, yeah, you know what, even if, you know, this tattoo isn't, isn't kind of

me now, it's like a marker of the person I was when I was like, ex-age and I got that done and I got it because I just really wanted to at that time. So I had a conversation with this at a wedding I was at recently, because one of the girls at the wedding was getting some tattoos removed and they asked me about mine. And I was like, no, I love my tattoos because I've always wanted tattoos since I was really young and I've got lots of little ones. But the only reason I have little ones is because I would have loved to have gotten bigger ones younger, but everyone in my family would kept telling me off every time I got one. So I just kept getting more and more small ones. I still want to get more, but I haven't got around to it. So I started getting

them when I was like 18. Then there was a period between maybe when I was 23 to 25, when a load of my friends who've never had tattoos, never had interest in tattoos, suddenly started getting loads of tattoos. And it's that group of people, I think, that are wanting to get rid of them because it became such a thing and like little tattoos and now they hate them. It makes me upset because every time I see someone that's getting that tattoo removed, I'm like, this is so weird. I don't feel that way at all. I feel exactly how you said, Ritera. And also I love seeing brinkly old tanned ladies with loads of jewelry on with tattoos. And I like, I want to reach that status.

I fear you will. I fear you will. And yeah, it is, I think there was a lot of people got, and I got, I've got quite thick dark tattoos. There's no, I can sort of turn to one, you know, tuck a sleeve away and then it looks like I've not got any tattoos, but they are there. I mean, someone asked me on Instagram quite recently, like, do you regret any of your tattoos? And the answer is no. But pre age 23, I got this, like I got very big, like this kind of rose, this dark rose tattoo, which ask me again, if I would get that now, the answer is no. That's true for a lot of my tattoos, but they are souvenirs of time and a place. Yes, I think probably someone should have advised me because it was one of the first I got. It's very dark and it's very big, but I think it's a mindset tattoo regret. I think

there is propaganda now of people going, it's tacky, it's this, it's always existed. I think you just have presence of mind, love your younger self that went, I really want this, this is going to make me feel like more me and just roll with the punches. I also can't wait to be a wrinkly lady with, you can't even decipher what they are anymore. I want that. I want people to be like, I wonder what that once was because we're all getting old. I love that yours are quite big and bold because I feel like loads of people have little tattoos like mine. And that's also another thing where I'm like, I actually really attached them. Like, I love them. I think they're like a really big part of who I am and then everyone has them. So it's not that interesting. But yours actually, I think it is

quite interesting that yours are big and cool. Yours are proper sailor tattoos. That's what I was going to say. They remind me of that. I've just come ashore on the sailor's leave. Yeah. I think you just have to, it's like anything in life. You've got to just commit. You've got to like back yourself on it. There's also a trend actually, which not for now, but really interesting about tattoos that were designed to fade and a lot of people said they have not faded. It was a real trend. I don't know how they did it, but they were advertised as made to fade tattoos and two, three years later, four years later, they're still lingering on and they just look like shit tattoos. So I think go full hog.

Do you remember, think go full hog. Do you remember, speaking of full hog, do you remember the micro pig trend? My mum really wanted to get one and then there wasn't such thing as a micro pig. They were just piglets that grew into full size. That was a scam. Yeah. Everyone was getting these micro pigs. It was just a piglet. And then me and my mum really campaigned to try and get one to my dad. Thank God you didn't.

And also we would have loved a full sized pig as much as a tiny pig, but that was a scam. A bit more labor. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah. Someone on TOWIE got one, I remember it was a real fun storyline. Ah, the 2010s. Yes, it was. What a time.

What do you plan to sell with your one wild and precious life is the tagline for a recent piece in the cut by Eleanor O'Connell Whitted lamenting that Mary Oliver's estate has released merchandise. Mary Oliver is a very famous poet. I love loads of Howacom and Sherlock's if you do. So in the piece she says, the actual designs are perfectly fine. They look like all the other embroidered hats and printed sweatshirts available to purchase online. You can get a flock of geese on a baseball cap or a phone case surrounding Oliver's name in that cursive font everyone uses for wedding stationery. She'd hate it. Her most famous question, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life,

isn't asking what you'll post or wear or monetize, it's asking what you'll notice, what you'll love without needing to be seen loving it. We don't need to wear the poem, we need to live it." Witte writes. And I love this piece because it tapped into something I've been thinking about lately. God, we're talking about trends a lot, but another trend on social media that I keep thinking, I keep going like, oh, I should do this, be really good for my engagement. But then it kind of bums me out a bit. And it's where people use a voiceover as if it's a trailer of their life, telling their audience who they are. And it's often really tongue in cheek and self-deprecating and it is just a trend. But there's something about it that makes me feel

desperately sad and I couldn't work out what it was. And then I realized it's like we've lost the art of existing like unselfconsciously. And by that, I mean like not only must we be self-aware, we must be totally able to condense down who we are into packageable and digestible information so that we can advertise and sell ourselves to each other, whether you're an influencer or not. We seem to be doing this all the time. And obviously, historically, there would have been cliques or signifiers like through the way that you dressed or the music that you were into that would tell part of a story about who you are. But now it feels like everyone is constantly trying to exact who they are in a way that you can promote. And it made me think as well of Gia Tolentino's trick

mirror. And at one point she says, we live in a world in which selfhood has become capitalism's last natural resource. And then she later quotes a philosopher called Adriana Cabrera, who claims that we perceive ourselves as narratable, as protagonists of a story that we long to hear from others. This desire for a story, for our story to be told, becomes the guiding element in the new approach to identity. Our identity is not possessed in advance as an innate quality or inner self that we're able to master and express. It's rather the outcome of a relational practice, something given to us from another in the form of a life story, a biography.

And also, maybe think of something that Dolly Alderton said years ago, which I remember laughing and nodding along to, where she said that she wished she could go to her own funeral so she could hear all the lovely things that people said about her, because your funeral is where people really say who you were, what you meant to them, but you never got to hear it.

So my question is to you were, what you meant to them, but you never got to hear it. So my question is to you both, have we in our long quest to understand ourselves through consumption and categorization somewhat lost what it means to be human and kind of in a desperation to have that moment to be at our own funeral, to hear what people are saying back to us, to be the star, to be the main character in this like individualistic society. Do you think we've kind of turned ourselves into products who in turn need products to figure out who we are and advertise it to the world?

So I think this is only the case if you are a poster on social media. I think if you don't post online, if you just live your life and you have good friends and you exist, this isn't a problem. So I think it is an online problem. And I feel this, I'm sure this is something lots of people feel when you have to summarise a holiday or an experience to share on grid and you're selecting the pictures, you're basically just collating and in the back of your mind,

it's all just like for the purpose of narrative and consumption. But I think if you just remove the internet, no one is doing this. When I catch up with my friends and they ask, how are you doing? I could just give like a big spiel about, where I'm at in my life,

the things I've learned, the things I'm up to, how I feel. But I don't do that. I just say, work has been like this, this is what's going on. I do it through the point of memories rather than narrative, character building, or just a moral lesson in the way that I feel like if you're summarizing a TikTok of something that's going on in your life or you're posting a story or a collage of something, it is just a completely specific way of condensing your life and who

you are to put up on a plate to be consumed. What do you think, Beth? I think I would love, well, I'm going to hopefully do, but when I get talking, who knows? I'd love to loop back to where you said, I think it's an online problem. And hopefully I'll have figured out whether I totally agree with that or not. I mean, reading, so reading this, one, I'm a huge fan of Mary Oliver, it reminds me in that really uncomfortable way of what was done and what continues to be done to Frida Kahlo and Frida Kahlo's work in that it is still very much the symbol of so many little tchotchkes and mouse mats and mugs and commercial products for an artist who was communist, I believe all of her life,

all of her adult life. In that really uncomfortable sense of we're taking. Mary Oliver's work is so like, you know, notice nature live a worthy life, be out there, listen to the birds and making products, especially fashion products. And we know that the market for these things is often very unethical. It's very bad for the environment. Something about that, I know it's from her estate, but something about that just sits in a really uncomfortable position. I wonder of the people who would wear these, is it to signal, hey, look, I read poetry, or is it, as is the case with a lot of things with merch and with other things, it's a signal to other fans, I love this, come and talk to me about it, or this really speaks to me. Some of the stuff I was looking at, like the One World and Precious Life on the, I believe that's on the T-shirt or

the jumper or the phone case, what a worthy thing to look at every day. We say that all time on this podcast. It's just a worthy sentence. If you have this phone case walking around and you're looking at it and you're reading it, I think that's quite pure intention. But then I do imagine a lot of people buying this as they do with, there's always a fashionable hat going on and you'll see loads of people in the same hat and you're like, I don't know what this means, but I know that this is spent to signal something to me. But then I do think that is in person as well. I think it's definitely the way that we curate our online selves with the Pinterest outfits, with the kind of staged

me making dinner. Like there is, that's performance as well as there's an element of authenticity because you find your niche and then you really have to bed down in it. But it has to be something that you love. But then I'm thinking like, is this going to be, like we all do make content to some degree apart from the truly offline. And in the piece she writes, my morning runs, my grief, my joy, they've all been content at some point, not for money maybe, but for attention, connection and proof that I'm living a life worthy of the quote on this Mary Oliver mug. And that struck me. I wonder whether there's bleed out from the really high performance curating personality to sell yourself

to become a content creator, influencer, personality. But then does that, do we do that in life to some degree more and more with the availability of these trend items? And it's swirling around. I don't think I've gained clarity, but I think it's murkier. I think a lot of us, we do perform knowing otherwise for content, but also for the viewer, the watcher, as we talked about last week. Oh, what do you know? So I was just trying to find it because I agree when you said that, Ritira, I agree in some sense in the practice of it, but actually I cannot find it now. But there's another quote from Geo Tonettino where she's like, even if you aren't participating in the internet, you are living in a world that is now created by the internet and that bleeds out into everything

else. And one of the quotes, which isn't the one I wanted to read, but I love tricking my ass, she said, I've been thinking about five intersecting problems. First, how the internet is built to distend our sense of identity. Second, how it encourages us to overvalue our opinions. Third, how it maximizes our sense of opposition. Fourth, how it cheapens our understanding of solidarity. And finally, how it destroys our sense of scale. And I think the sense of scale thing is like everything now actually comes from the internet. So even people's enjoyment of Mary Oliver's poems might come from the fact that they've gone really viral and they've seen it and there's a credibility to her work because it gets tens of thousands of likes when it's

shared, which then makes someone imbue her poetry with a sense of meaning, which isn't actually related to the content of the poem at all. It's about the value that the poem has translated to them through Instagram or whatever it might be. So they're wearing that cap, not because they specifically love what Mary Oliver is telling us to do, but because, and I think this is what she's saying, it translates something. And I think that's all very subconscious and actually really hard to unwire in your brain. And I think about this constantly, like, am I doing this because I want to do it? Or am I doing it because I think it's, if someone took a picture of me in this moment, again, that extension of the voyeur of the John Berger's man watching the woman watching herself. I do think that actually

we you're right. And I think in the moments with your friends and when you're suspended, you're given that actual pocket of light relief from the internet because you're genuinely existing in a moment of conversation. But in any other practice where you are self-conscious, like we get dressed and we think about what we're wearing, I do think that we are actually not touching grass. I think so often we are doing the concept of the thing or acting out the idea of a thing in order to prove that we are that person. But actually what we're doing is scrolling on our phone for hours and hours a day, going to work, walking outside. Even sometimes I've had experiences where I've posted a photo dump a bit like you said, Ritera, that conveys a much more interesting, dynamic, nuance kind of, the way that I've portrayed that meal or that conversation looks

the way that I've portrayed that meal or that conversation looks like it's much more deep and interesting than it was probably because the moment was interrupted by me constantly taking pictures of them, trying to get the right angle of the bloody dirty martini I was drinking. I found this very depressing. It is depressing. And yeah, I do completely agree with you.

I love that bit in Trick Mirror where she kind of links it to, there is no separation between performance and identity anymore because even when you look in the mirror and you kind of look at yourself, it's almost like that indistinguishable kind of layer of who is the I because the I you once you leave the house is just literally caught up in the performance of being perceived by everybody else. So no, you're both right, actually. I think I'm just today, especially feeling wistful to delete all my social media accounts. So it feels really easy to just blame it as an online problem. And if I run away to the

woods, I'll be fine. But maybe in the woods, I'd be worried about how I'm perceived by the bears and stuff. So I don't know. I think you have to be for safety. Well, it is. I think you're not wrong. I think it is an online problem, as in it was created by online, but I think it's bled into the real world. I can 100% think that these things, the way that we consume, I even met this man at this wedding that I was at and he was in his sixties maybe and he was talking about the poems that

he loved reading and how he reads them over and over again. And he has this book of poetry that he takes them everywhere and he constantly like rereads it. And I was just thinking that doesn't even exist really anymore because we're so conscious about having to keep abreast of new stuff. And like we, our brains have been fundamentally

and irrevocably changed because of the way that we consume things. So I think it is an online problem. I think unfortunately our generation and the generations below, we just rewind our neurons that even when we think we're not doing the thing that we do online, we actually are to some extent. And I definitely think that'll impact people less. I think I'm probably on the sharp edge of it a lot more because I do have to do it for my work. Not that I've posted anything remotely recently because I... You're doing resistance. Just say that. Exactly. It's activism. I think it is content creation and influencing around which we're all

into different degrees, whether it's for the podcast, whether it is for career and whatever else. And as we've discussed in actually an interview that we've got coming soon with an author, there is encouragement all around to, you can't just be the one thing. You can't just be the writer or you have to then be a social media star. And I think because it's such a crowded field now, the advice is always find your niche and really go hard and do it again and again and again until you get your audience. Because people quite like a niche. There's a creator I've mentioned before called Mia Westrap who is excellent and she, I think she's in the podcast, so hello. So she did a year, a no

by year and kind of got lots and lots of followers and has since been placing quite candidly about how actually now that she's done the no by year, it was really successful. I think she learned a lot and taught people a lot. Now she's making different content. It's not getting the same views because it's out of the niche. And I think that is the problem with modern content creation. It does encourage us to be that one thing and do it again and again and kind of so that people buy into them so that then you can continue to make the videos, sell things or transition into whatever career you're going for. So it does, it creates this army of people that just are in that quite small niche. And that's not what is interesting

to be a human. To be a human, it's interesting because you're constantly changing, you're renegotiating your identity, the things that you like. If you become a parent, everything might change. If you decide not to, if you move countries, if you stop saving money, suddenly you're out of your niche. And I think that is, those lessons are replicating across different industries because everything is trying to tie into online virality. I mean, okay, so far be it for me to talk about fashion because I wear the exactly same outfit for this. I basically like if Homer Simpson was an autistic 31 year old woman, jeans and a t-shirt for me. But I'm thinking of like, do you know what I mean when I say Pinterest

outfits and that kind of clone, the way that people are not seeking personal style, they are seeking to be seen as stylish. And I think that's where we're at. Like there was someone filming their girlfriend at art gallery and they were doing content there and then they saw so many other women, not in similar outfits, but in the same outfit. And I think all of these things have, they're in relation to one another where it's, we kind of want to claim an interest in fashion, but actually we do want that shortcut to be like, okay, I'm fashionable. Tick that on the list of why people would follow me. I want to be seen as in the right places. So I'm going to go to them rather than being like, God, I really want to go to the, and I think that's similar to like, I want to be seen as interested

in poetry versus I just am. And that then, like we all love poetry here, I think. That has shaped my personality more than anything else. But then probably I do, you know, I'll post the occasional one on Instagram. What am I signaling to that? I don't know. I think it's a very murky world. To go back to what you said, Ritera, about wanting to delete Instagram, at the minute I'm finding I do have a complete aversion to social media and I was trying to work out what it was. And I think it is this thing, as Polentino writes, the last natural thing to do is to cannibalize the self. And because there's so many creators online, because everyone's making the same videos,

we're all kind of buying into the lie that everyone's doing the same trend. There is nothing left. Everyone is wearing the same outfits. Everyone's buying the same clothes. So what's happened is people are literally going into themselves and being like, well, I'm an individual. That's the most individual thing about me. That's what sets me apart from these other 500,000 creators that you follow. Let me give you a 360 explainer

on who I am and why you should buy me. And it literally feels like you're at auction and all of these people online are being like, buy me, buy me, buy me, instead of like, buy my product. It's even gone beyond, you know, dress how I dress, like what I like, do what I do, actually buy me. And it feels so odd. I can't quite explain it. It's like once you zoom out of it, it's actually really, really strange. And that is different from what social media used to be like. And I think it is just a product of, you know, just total oversaturation.

It is the last thing we have left that is truly unique. And actually, it's not unique anymore thing we have left that is truly unique. And actually it's not unique anymore because we're all following the same trends. So it's been a few weeks since it dropped, but I think we can safely now discuss the finale of You, the Netflix series, which started in 2018 and features Penn Badgley as Joe Goldberg, a charming, murderous psychopath or sociopath. I don't really know the difference, but that's not one for me. Before we get into this season specifically, I first need to just get us all up to scratch because I actually don't know, do you both watch you and have

you been watching it religiously over the last few years? Yeah, I watched from I think 2019, I want to say that I remember it being Christmas, pre pandemic. And I watched the first series and was hooked on that series really enjoyed it and was I think kind of tweeting along with it was when people would actually live, live tweet through shows. I think Bolly Babalola was doing it and she's got great taste in TV. And I, I started watching it then because she was and loved it. I think I've got some quite harsh opinions on this series, which I'll save for, for soon. What about you, Anonia? You're a big fan.

Oh my God. You're so, the golden era of Bollou's tweets. I used to love it and she used to love Island. I always used to follow along. You were so lucky. So good. So good. I watched you as it came out. I religiously watched every series until I think the one before this one, a couple of years ago, when it was split into two parts. I remember finally being a bit like, okay, I'm a bit over this. That being said, I did still watch every single episode. I'm kind of the same. It's like my, I hate using the word guilty pleasure because it makes it sound

like a vibrator or a piece of chocolate or something. But it's like, it really does feel like a guilty pleasure because I think we all unanimously know this show is pretty trash. But I never tell anyone I'm watching it because I just, I don't, I assume no one else is watching it, but we all are secretly and yeah, I never talk about it with my friends. So it feels like a dirty secret. But the thing I'm obsessed with also is Penn Badgley's response to being part of this show. He seems to hate being part of it, but also clearly loves it because he's been in the director and producing seat. My favourite thing was when it first came out, him replying to tweets, first tweets

about Joe Goldberg and him just replying back to so many people saying, please stop fancying me. I'm a murderous psychopath in the show. And yeah, he seemed to be almost like pulling his hair out, realising I think that he was part of this series that essentially was glorifying or at least promoting, this hot murderer. And I don't think he understood that that's how people were going to take it. Spoilers from here on out by the way, so if you haven't watched it, bleep, this is your part to go. Spoilers from now. In season five we see Joe Goldberg go from, I think, up until

now this semi-controlled figure, even though he's murdering on the side, to literally being barbaric, chasing down his girlfriend half naked. It becomes animalistic. He looks like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. And finally, finally, we get resolved where he gets his comeuppance at the end, going to jail after literally getting his dick shot off by his new girlfriend Bronte played by Madeleine Brewer. We get a rousing final speech on toxic masculinity in cells and violence against women. My question to you both is did you stick the landing and satiate Penn Badgley's frustration with the show and also the fans at the same time?

Oh, I feel sorry for Penn because the thing is, I watched the show as a woman who I think, I'm quite feminist, you know, I despair at male violence against women and yet I am rooting for him every step of the way. I don't know what was wrong with me. Like, it doesn't matter what he does. I'm like, shit, no, he can't.

I don't know if it is just cause he's so hot or the writing, I don't know. I thought it was interesting. I thought it was really interesting. They tried to make a point. Maybe it did make me feel a bit flushed and embarrassed that I was one of those women writing letters to Jeffrey Dahmer in prison or whatever it was that they did. Maybe I am just part of that old age trope of women who love sociopathic hot killers. I have to say in the first, it was the opposite of they have been the first half. They didn to say in the first, it was the opposite of, you know,

like they have been the first half. They didn't have been the first half. I actually was getting a bit fed up in the last series. And then I actually was a bit like, oh, it did feel like there was a directional shift and I did like it. And I thought that it was, I love the actress that plays his most recent girlfriend, the one that's in The Handmaid's Tale. I cannot remember her name now. I thought she was amazing. Did it do what they wanted it to do? Maybe right at the end. I thought there was gumption to it, that's for sure. There was an attempt there to bring that circularity and do something clever where they literally turn the gaze on the viewer. I mean, they don't do it subtly in the middle of the show

where they literally do the tweets of the women as they would have been sent to Penn Badgley. One thing I did, I like that there was a little Easter egg of Cardi B tweeting because I don't know if you both remember when those two were in conversation, like Penn Badgley and Cardi B, at one point they would, I think she then came to announce the show. She was involved in a, They had each other's like faces, their profile picture. I thought that was quite nice, but it was quite heavy handed and ending and a monologue. I think it was just my attention was pulled out of the action. I think it was just inconsistencies. It felt like too serious worth of stuff to be put into one. I think it's quite out there. You give it license to do a bit of deus ex machina

of like, oh, this is how we've solved it. You give it license to do a bit of deus ex machina of like, oh, this is how we've solved it. You give it some license, but some things were just too far fetched. It was a lot of that element to it. It became something I didn't recognize. I think they just maybe changed the character of Joe too much. I think at the end of series four, they said, okay, actually he's got this altar who wins out and actually just loves killing versus like he told himself this whole narrative of I kill to protect, I'm a really good guy. And then they kind of revealed actually there's something else there. And then it comes to series five and they say he's not killed anyone for three years. And I felt like, huh? I just thought something is

afoot here. I thought maybe he's got loads of secret victims, none of that. And maybe this is me doing a classic overthinking, but every episode towards the end I went, this is the last one, which is a shame because I really rooted for the show right at the beginning. Yeah. I mean, nothing you've said is wrong, but also nothing Anoni said is wrong to me either. Every bone that has any critical sense is like completely vanished every time I press start on this show. I just suspend my judgment, my expectation, my beliefs, any kind of taste level when I put the show on. It's so silly. None of it makes sense. You're totally right.

Why has he gone through years without murdering? Also, his personality shift in this series, when he just like flips and then has lost all sense of, you know, protective measures, he starts strangling Bronte, it goes so visibly violent. I don't know, it's just none of the threads are kind of picking up from the last one. It's all just like an amalgamation of like string in a box, but I don't mind it. That's so funny. I could believe that he didn't kill for three years because I think that's maybe the more normal state to it being. When you, I started to like be like, this is light fluffy watching.

Because I think the first murder, he does go to length to kind of cover it up. Then it's just sort of like he is killing anyone at any point in time. Like when he kills Kate's uncle and it's just sort of like, oh, I've just killed the uncle now and she's like, oh. And it's like, you can't, you cannot get away with murder this easily. It was when it started being just like trail after trail of bodies that the show really took a turn for me into like the slapstick. And you just have to buy in at the level that it's selling to you and just accept that that is what's happening. Because they do try and make some sort of like believability

around it. They're like, she's so rich, she can get away with anything. And we do know that, you know, extremely wealthy people can bury bodies and never be found out. But even, you know, the storyline with the twin, he kills the twin, everyone's so wrapped up in their own narcissistic fears of their own badness, especially Kate's character that they think they almost can't then cast aspersions on Joe,

which maybe is a true, I mean, to play it out to the absolute nth degree. In some ways, I actually think it is, it's funny and interesting as an examination of like, the psyche and the self and evil behaviors and like how we view each other. It's just played out to, they've turned the dial up to a million and 94. Do you know what I mean? There's an essence, there's something there that taps into something good because I really wouldn't watch it if it was really shit. There must be something that is good about it because a lot of it is just completely, I mean, all of it is completely unbelievable. Yeah. And I'm just going to go even further to just unnecessarily applying critical thought

to this when it so clearly does not deserve it. But just thinking about like, you know, psychological theory of the shadow self, and how if you start to oppress your shadow self, essentially you are at war with who you are. And all it means is that essentially you will never reach your high potential, you will only ever be at war with yourself and constantly getting drawn into problematic behaviors, maybe disassociation. It's like a struggle of who you are. But once you can accept the darker parts of yourself, you can just be your real self. And that is a struggle that we all face. Whether it's like my shadow self is like the shame that I apply to myself for drinking too much or the anxiety and I hate that part of myself, we all have bits of ourselves that we don't like.

So seeing him at war with his murderous self, there's something kind of relatable about it. I'm not a murderer, obviously, that's not my shadow self. But he is like that fight to kind of push your darker bits away. That is relatable, which is why he is kind of a relatable person, even though he is the most murderous, insane person. And I think them flipping it at the end to be like, oh no, actually he's always been an animal. He's always been this like horrendous person. Felt so jarring and unsatisfying to me because for four, basically up until half of series four, because we're in his viewpoint, his narrative for so much, it's constant talking, him talking, talking, talking, talking.

We relate to him so much. And then finally at the end, they switch it on us and they're like, no way, you guys are the freaks, the audience are the freaks for relating to him. It kind of feels a bit rude actually. The show set us up. No, but Richerat, this is what you have to remember is he is literally killing so many women. There is no level of how much we can relate to him that excuses even killing, just doing the one murder, especially because it's not out of self-defense. These women have done nothing wrong. He's just killing them for fun. No, but I had this same thought where I was like, it's that human thing of wanting, we've tried to find ways to be empathetic. We feel sorry for him that he went through this awful ordeal with his parents, which

in turn turned him into this evil person. And we forgive him so many times for murdering these women. We get back on side, but the truth of it is even a non-fatal sort of attempted murder should be enough, I think, for us to be able to go. A touch of strangling. This very handsome man. I mean, it's giving Luigi Mangione, again, not to put any political aspersions on that, but the amount of sort of artistic license we give to his wrongdoings because of his lovely curly hair, something to worry about.

Curly hair, curly hair, gets us. What is it that Bronte says at the end? I mean, he kind of bellows at her like, I made you special, which is him revealing like, he's never in love, he kind of is in love with himself and his own narrative. And then she says something like the fantasy of men like you is why, is how we deal with the reality of men like you by basically being like, this is why women have to sink into romance and have to kind of, we do struggle in times to make bad relationships work because we are aware of how many bad men there are. And I think that was quite, maybe that gave the audience a little bit of leeway to be

like, okay, it's understandable actually why women do invent the fantasy and live in the fantasy because the reality is men like Joe. So I really liked that. I think there was some really sharp writing in that such as that. But yeah, it made me empathize with him a little bit too much. And maybe that is the source of my discomfort. Or maybe actually that's the source of my annoyance that I was not able to do that, same as you, by that final series. I was like, oh, I was quite comfortable actually in this group for being like, I hope he gets away with it. Too confronting. Do you know what I had to say? We're seeing it and obviously we spoke about it with Penance

ages ago with Eliza Clark, but the amount of online sleuth narratives that are working their way into pop culture, it's going to get very tired very quickly because it's the same thing over and over again. And because we've just, we're living through it as well. I loved it in Penance. It felt very fresh and very new, but there's something else we spoke about recently. That was like a massive part of this series as well. It's kind of like the groups coming together and them doing all the work. I didn't mind it as much in this because I think it actually was done kind of well. And also that flip, did that take you by surprise when you find out that Bronte actually initially, you know, is out to get him?

Yeah. I couldn't follow it. I found it quite enjoyable, much like City of Fire, the thing up top that I recommended. It's quite soapy, isn't it? This kind of, oh, who knows what's coming? Oh, flip the script, you turn, you turn every other episode basically. And I'm kind of here for it, you know. Yeah, I do like that as well I have to say. We would love to know after watching series five do you still fancy Joe Goldberg or is

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