Everything Is Content - The unhinged Cut essay, Blake Lively's villain edit and the end of Love Island monarchy

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

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Today on the podcast, is it the end of The King and Queen of Love Island, The Cut Personal Essay Industrial Complex, and Blake Lively's Villain Edit? Okay then, girlies. So tell me, what have you been loving this week? How many can we do? Because I've got two books. You can do as many as you want, babes. Is that okay? I've got two memoirs for you. I did books last week, so I'm just in my book

era. I've got Men Have Called her crazy by Anna Marie Tendler who is an American writer and multimedia artist who was married to the comedian John Mulaney you're looking at me yep you know who he talked about her loads in his stand-up he was like an OG wife guy absolutely beloved by a certain section of the internet until they broke up. He, I don't know if he's married to Olivia Munn or if they are just, they're parents to a little baby. And he, after he split up with his wife of like a decade, I think, Anne-Marie and everyone really turned on him. And I think they turned on him on her behalf without hearing her story. And so she's

written a memoir which is men have called her crazy about not just about the marriage it's not a tell-all it's not super juicy it's not like kind of celeb gossip it's about her life her relationships her mental health and yeah the men in her life that have behaved really bad at times and as a woman who writes about mental health a lot and has also had difficult uh yeah moments in relationships and with mental health I am just nodding along reading this it came out on Tuesday this week and I've already read most of it was was he part of I vaguely remember this happening like was was there a group of three men called the wife guys or was it not like an official group but they all kind of got they broke up at the same time something happened

a few years ago I remember seeing it the try guys that's a different thing right oh I thought they were called the wife guys what's the try guys was that something similar that was kind of like another online scandal where it was like basically a bunch of guys who are known as like the nice guys online and they were like try these like buzzfeed-esque type yes video it but then one of them what did he do did he cheat on his wife so it was like a big scandal yeah I think so that's what I was okay so I don't actually think I know either I know who Olivia Munn is but I don't know any other people that you mentioned Beth sorry but it sounds very interesting I do know the discourse about this whole situation and I

was actually listening to an episode of Celebrity Memoir Book Club where they dissect the book I'm only halfway through but I am aware aware of the book but you're saying it is worth a read I think so I think she's I mean it's it's a more gentle memoir than i think huge john mulaney fans or haters will be hoping for because so far she's only alluded to him as like my husband or my ex-husband or my marriage that was falling apart which is fine by me but i think other people might be disappointed unless she gets really really um juicy stuff later on yeah that's that's something that that's something they said on the podcast that she's obviously intentionally made sure not to make it a tell-all memoir of what happened post their relationship breakdown which I think a lot of us are expecting her to have dropped that's what we

thought this would be if my husband moved on with a very famous actress and had a baby I think I probably would have written a really nice I would have been quite unhinged about it so fair play to her yeah I completely agree what was your second memoir yeah I've got a quick memoir recommendation came out on the same day so I haven't had as much time to devote to this one but it is Charlotte Shane's new book An Honest Woman which is a memoir about sex work and men and women um it opens with just like really interesting story of a client she had years ago and she's just musing on the relationships like sex and power and how men often find it easier to respect a prostitute than their wife and it's not man hating in any way I think it's really celebratory of men and women but it's like sex it's writing about sex work in a way I just don't

think anyone else does it like her so incredible really recommend that's so interesting in what way do you mean they're more respectful is it because they because it's such a um upfront transaction of like a sexual thing they are more respectful because they know they have to kind of ask for a service in vertical whereas with their wives they might have a level of expectation because that I've never really heard of like sex workers necessarily being respected yeah I agree so I will say that she is I suppose what you'd call like a higher class which probably is an offensive term I've not got that far into the book but she's dealing with really wealthy clients and a lot of money and she's writing about sex work as or respect for sex workers as being more accessible to men. Because like you say, the transaction is easy

to understand. Sex workers, at least through men's eyes, are moving through the world in a really bold way, in a way which isn't cloaked. The transaction is really clear. It's not protect me forever. It's not marry me. It's not have children with me. It is, we're going to have sex. And I think because the view is that's a woman behaving like a man they find it easier just as men do have a devotion to other men because they have that same mindset her I suppose musing is that it's a similar thing men's idea of sex work and prostitution is she's behaving like a man she's bold she's upfront they can get that easier it's less complicated that's so interesting I really want to read that I find that anything about sex work I always just find so fascinating because there's always so many ways you can cut it

up it's like an endless kind of minefield of opinions and like I never I can never quite get to a place where I have a concrete idea of it, even though I believe sex workers work and that sex workers should be respected. It's such a messy thing to find. No, I completely agree. Huge recognition from me for you. Both.

That sounds great. What have you been loving this week, Richa? So I also have two. One of them, the lighter one, is do you know a trend that's going around where it's people now picking up the phrase, very demure, very mindful, very classy? I don't know where it came from, but I love it. Oh, it's a video by, let me find her enamel,

a content creator called Jules Lebrun. And oh my God, I just like, I I just it's such a simple line but it just gets me like I'm just creasing up every time I hear people like repost it like somebody put something like Brat Summer um demure fall and it just it's so good I'm obsessed I have seen the original video it's really funny I'm really enjoying that as well. Yeah. And then the second thing is a new film out. It's a coming of age film about a young boy in the AOL, MySpace, beginnings of Facebook era in America. And it's just beautiful. It's called Didi. And yeah, it's just like your kind of eighth grade ladybird vibe of it's like really treating that time with respect and understanding how difficult it could be to be a teenager and just feeling

you know the disparity between wanting to be understood and wanting to have connections but also being too scared to be vulnerable and yeah it's just like a constant state of rejection and it also ends up being like a love letter to his mum. He takes the brunt of his like rage during that whole time. It's so nice. That does sound really good. It also like sounds quite traumatising because every time I watch something like that,

I think I'm ready at age 31 to revisit my own like adolescent awkwardness. And I'm not. I need another 10 years. It feels so close. And I think that's because I still think of myself as really young when I'm not you look young uh Noni what do you do sorry sorry what have you been loving this week Noni I have been loving well I've just got back from Edinburgh and I went to the fringe um so I've been loving lots of comedy but specifically I went and saw Ruben Kay who is an Australian comedian doing

an hour of standup, but it wasn't just standup. It was like cabaret and singing and really political. And it was called Live and Intimidating. And it's kind of, yeah, really political show. It's kind of about sexuality and it's also about inequality. And I was just so moved by the show. And I'd never seen anything by him before he also does a variety show which he tours called the k-hole which I want to go to and there's one on in um the Clapham Grand I think in September so I just got really into him and seeing live comedy in the arts is something which I don't do enough of so that's a big recommendation for me and if you are going to the fringe I would recommend going to see him i think he's on until the 25th of august i've never been to the front i'm kind of dying to go me too you've never been

what's the what is it i mean no i know what it is but like on a day-to-day like what what do you do just literally walk around making a comedy well it's funny because i was actually going to suggest it as a topic because i've been go i've gone maybe like four times now the first time i was in 2018 it is impossible to go as a punter really now I could only afford to go because I managed to get a really cheap train ticket which meant that my train on the way back was like six and a half hours when it's normally four which I hadn't actually realized I was just like god I got such a good deal and then I stayed on my friend's sofa because it was like that or stay in a 20 bed hostel which I wouldn't I'm not like against that.

But now that I'm 13, like a single woman and slightly in the public eye, I was like, I just don't know if I can, like, I just don't think I should be putting myself in that position for a weekend for 400 pounds when I could like go to New York for a week. So that's one of the issues that's really expensive. But if you book it really far in advance, it's amazing.

I do think something's going to have to happen because it's so expensive. But so basically, there is like a central area in Edinburgh where there's loads of shows and loads of venues, but also like every single pub, every single club is turned into different venues. And it's not just stand-up. It's also like theater and one-woman shows and magic and bubble shows and like sex shows and drag shows and just everything that you can imagine. And there's the free fringe, which everything that you can imagine and there's

the free fringe which is where you can just get tickets to stuff and if you want to do it at the end you can pay or you can like book tickets like some of the bigger comedy nights um like sold out really quickly there is stuff on until like three in the morning it is unbelievable it's very tiring because it's there's just so much going on and it is also a bit of a booze fest there is a lot of drinking that happens but it's it's incredible I'm not that organized so it's definitely it's worth going with someone who's really good at trawling through the website and finding stuff you want to see but one of the best things about the fringe is actually when you just you might be in a pub and they'll go oh we've got a show on now and you just walk downstairs and it's some new comedian and they're amazing it's a really cool thing but it's definitely

something which there's going to be so many more deep dives about this but years ago comedians I love listening to Richard Herring's podcast and he would talk about how comedians would have to go to the fringe in order to get reviewed and to get their name around and so like they would go and do their performance and they would be tv directors at the show that would then take them and like wind them and dine them afterwards and like try to recruit them because that doesn't really happen anymore first of all like young working class comedians can't really afford to perform because it's so expensive now and also because of tiktok and things people get their names out loads of different ways so the fact that edinburgh used

to be this like the hub of finding the next big thing like that's famously phoebe waller bridge the fleabag initially as a one-woman show at the fringeinge. So many things start there, but it's really changed recently. And I'm interested to see if it can survive another year. It felt very quiet, I thought this year. Oh, that's sad. That makes complete sense. I think I saw a piece potentially in The Guardian about how the Fringe had changed a bit because TikTokers, TikTok comedians essentially were like now going to the Fringe. So they'd already built up a huge following rather than going in as newbies but I hadn't even thought about how it's changing

the whole scene and what that means to come up in comedy as a whole that's really interesting. So girlies I wanted to talk about a piece in The Cut. The Cut is famous for publishing some of the most batshit viral essays in recent history, from that Age Gap piece that we discussed a couple of months ago, to Natalie Beach's scathing takedown of Caroline Calloway, to the woman that was scammed and gave all of her money away in a shoebox. But this week, readers, that's us and probably you guys, wondered if these personal essays could do with more stringent vetting or if the lady in question should just go to the vet or at least put her cat up for adoption. The piece was titled, Why Did I Stop Loving My Cat When I Had a Baby? And this story was part of like a New York magazine exploration of the ethics of pet ownership, sharing a variety of points of view on whether we're equipped to care for the animals in our homes. And the editor's note says the

magazine confirmed the welfare of the cat prior to publication, which I don't know when this editor's note was added in. So basically the piece, the woman talks about how once she had a baby, it's kind of like on the face of it, it's understandable to think that maybe someone wouldn't nub their animal pet once they birth the human baby, but this goes way beyond that. She basically neglects the cat, willfully hopes the cat will just fall out of a window and die. She doesn't feed it. She starves it. It gets ill. It ends up being really overweight because it's just like eating crap. I found it quite harrowing and difficult to read. I know that you guys both read it. What were your immediate thoughts on the piece? Yeah, I felt the same. I had already seen the chatter online, so I saw the kind of tone and response to it. But reading it, I was quite distressed by it. It was very upsetting for sure.

I sort of went into it not having seen all the backlash and really interested in the answer, because I thought this is something I've actually always wondered about like when someone has loads of dogs when someone has a lot of quote-unquote fur baby when another baby comes along how does that work I was I was hoping for someone to kind of a little bit confessional like oh yeah I don't know if I love my dog as much and to be like oh what are yeah and then they didn't answer that question at all and it was so dark so I was initially quite disappointed to that they posed it like that um as something quite universal and like it might be a good character human study and then it was actually probably one of the one of the more upsetting things I've read on kind of human behavior in quite a while I think the bit that you were talking about and

only like the list the laundry list of things that that cat goes through like eating plants and puking up because it's so hungry um drinking out the toilet getting like overweight and depressed I just I I kind of contemplated not finishing for that reason I was so upset I also because you know I always flip-flop between if I want a child or not this made me not want to have a baby because I love Astrid my dog so much the idea that I could even I would obviously never abuse her, but I don't even like the idea of like not loving. It was making me cross that people were even quote teaching it being like, yeah, I had a baby and then I didn't care about my dog that much. It's like, what do you mean? There's enough, how can you not love more than one thing? But is this even ethical?

Because I know it's an animal and not a human. And I think that's something we'll come on to talk about the way that we do sometimes seem to have more empathy or able to show more outrage when it's an animal being harmed than sometimes when it's humans. But do you think this should have even been published? Like they did say they checked on the welfare of the cat, but it just seems like animal abuse isn't legal. It just seems a very odd thing to publish in such a big outlet. I agree. I don't really feel like it is ethical and I don't really understand the journalistic point of publishing a piece where somebody's confessed to abusing an animal. And we'll get onto this, I'm you know about the reasons and I think she alludes potentially to having postpartum depression which is very very severe I can't even imagine

what that feels like and I have extreme empathy for anyone going through that but the the descriptions of what is happening to the cat just does stand up as animal abuse and I think the fact that the cat has published this is just very confusing and I. And I don't understand how you can confirm that the cat's doing okay, when it's literally in text that the cat is being put through so much extreme torture. Yeah, because it's one point to say, well, the cat's okay now. The cat has historic suffering. And also, they might have another child, or it might come back, or there might be another huge life upheaval, wherein the needs of the cat fall to the bottom of the pecking order. I was really surprised. I don't think it shouldn't have been published, but it shouldn't

have been published without maybe a more vigorous edit or someone to say, you need to add a bit context to your mental state. You need to actually reassure the readers that the cat isn't no longer in danger because people writing into the cut to say you know we need this woman's name we need to report as child um to animal services and child services actually i saw which is a darker um topic online whether she's yeah her kind of role as mother i was also quite shocked that she so um cory siecher who's an editor at New York Mag, and I don't think he commissioned this, but he tweeted, finally a cut essay that's so very cut essay that we didn't let her put her name on it, which suggests to me she wanted to,

which blows my mind that she wrote this thinking, yeah, it's all right. I'll get a bit of backlash, but this is normal enough. This is where I start to think it feels quite unethical because they obviously knew how wrong, how distressing and how wild this story was that they were like, well, we don't want to put the author of this writer, I guess, in harm's way because she probably would get doxxed. So we'll keep it anonymous rather than perhaps being like, this sounds really distressing. Like, are you suffering with postpartum depression? What happening with the cat now like there's no resolution why not put the cat up for adoption where is her partner in all of this that's the father of the baby like how is she doesn't allude to being a single mother or like a solo parent so how has two people two adults living in a home

allowed an animal to be abused it's I completely understand I have a friend who had a baby and she actually shared a dog with our friend but she's mostly had it all of the time and the minute she had her baby she was like I actually can't have the she loves dogs I just can't look after him in the flat right now it's too much for the newborn baby so the dog's going to stay with that other friend and that was just like it's quite normal I think people do suddenly realize that it's really hard to manage not because they don't love the animal just you don't have that time and care yeah and so out of care for the animal we give it away it just seems really interesting to me that there was no sort of thing at the bottom being like I don't know the cat is now well or it's been put up for adoption

and the fact they took her name off in favor I guess of readers and knowing how many views it's going to get. That to me doesn't sit too well. No, I agree. And I didn't like the inference that it's completely normal for this situation to be happening. And it kind of felt potentially like they have commissioned somebody who is not in the best state of mind and not particularly well to write something very confessional and very dark and normalize it under the banner of you know this is just what happens to lots of mums when they give birth I don't think it is normal I think it is I think it is like very concerning and very worrying and um I don't know I I maybe this sounds quite trite but I think it's quite nice to think of

pets as like a blessing and I don't think it is nice to put out a piece that normalizes the fact that we can just shun them and treat them like absolute shit just because we have other things going on in our life I don't think I don't know I hate that so much no you're right there's kind of like no no excuse for it to have like an ongoing and to be aware that a cat is miserable in your home. And I've had friends who have either their pets have gone to family members when they've had a kid or when they've moved or like when life got too much. And yet they were probably judged. They probably judged themselves. But the animal was safe, fed throughout the whole procedure it just feels like infinitely more understandable that you'd go oh my god this cat is in my fucking space i hate this cat

i'll get rid of it rather than having the feeling and also letting it live alongside like actual neglect i just yeah i think i was quite heartened by the fact that everyone was no no this isn't normal rather than a few people were like well you do love it less but you don't mistreat it which is another a completely separate issue but it was quite reassuring that there wasn't this deep dark side in all parents they were like yeah we've all gone through it we hate our animals um scary so there was a counter thread from at yum coconut milk on twitter which read I'm enraged that you all are mad at this. You literally get on here and scream at people for being mad at a mother

that threw her baby off a roof saying we need to have compassion for postpartum psychosis, but heaven forbid someone be honest about disliking an animal postpartum. We live in a society that deeply hates children and mothers, doesn't value or prioritize them. A white culture hides behind animals or bastardizing reproductive rights movements to do it their pets their animals of course no one is going to go bankrupt for a pet's treatment that's going to die in a year or two anyway when they've just had a baby are you insane and the thread goes on and i can link it in the show notes but i think it's an interesting take i do think it's something interesting take. I do think it's something to think about. I do think we sometimes see that certain categories of people or certain demographics will show a lot of outrage when an animal is being injured, not that they shouldn't, like those horses that escaped or like

when we see certain things in the news about mistreatment of animals, people will get up in arms and those same people maybe won't make comments about the devastating things happening in Gaza or in you know war-torn places do you think there is an argument in that or do you think that the fact that animals are so helpless and continue to be helpless much like a baby means that just because they're an animal should we think it's okay or should the value be different I don't know if that's really a sentence do you know what I'm trying to say I know what you're trying to say it's like should we just accept that the value of a baby is much higher than that of an animal and that just be a fact um it's a difficult one I kind of

feel as if if that's what you feel and then I think we just keep circling back to the same thing of if that's how you feel and you know that you're having a baby come into your life then it probably is the respectful probably the smart thing to just make sure that your pet goes to a loving home and I think that probably just is where I stand on it where I don't know how I feel about the value on different things that's that feels like quite a big question but I definitely feel as if there's a way to deal with a situation like this and even if she's not in a good enough place why aren't people around her stepping in and doing something about it she's obviously not she's obviously not um sounding very well in the piece to me

it is all good points and I think those are really good points they just don't seem to be like firmly connected to what's happening in this article because it is neglect of an animal I think it's a very sick culture. It's also like a very sick mind. And I mean that in terms of being unwell, to see the suffering of an animal and to not have it move you and to have it actually just irritate you. So I think, yeah, great points, not connected to this. Had she written more about postpartum, had there been, and maybe there will be like a

follow-up piece about that, then that's context that people can use. But they sort of can only go on what is in the piece. And it feels like she's getting back to herself and she's not actively neglecting the cat anymore, but still doesn't really love it, still doesn't really care for it. So I think I need to sit with that a little bit longer. But I think as long as there's an understanding that you can value a life of an animal in a different place and know in your heart that you don't love it as much and that it still is wrong even if you hate an animal it still is wrong to allow it to have a moment of undue suffering and i think that if people are upset about animal neglect not about the woman being in a state where she couldn't care or she couldn't do anything yeah I think sorry I was just gonna say it's quite a

binary piece in the fact that it's like this one thing I love has shunned this other thing which I I don't subscribe to that idea of you know love I feel like I don't know we show on many occasions that we can love multiple people that's just like having a rich life um and also I think it's hard because we're prescribing the fact that she has postpartum depression to make sense of all of this I don't think she even talks about it it just really comes across as if the cut have commissioned somebody who doesn't have a lot of self-awareness about the situation to even label a potential thing that she's going through or have a diagnosis we're trying to give her grace by saying that's that's already quite sticky and complicated well the second half of the title of the piece is my postpartum loathing of lucky made me wonder whether I might be a late onset

psychopath but postpartum was just after birth, isn't it? Yeah. So my postpartum loathing, so the loathing that came on after she'd given birth made her wonder if I might be a late onset psychopath. And people have been saying, again, very strange wording because that isn't a thing. I think psychopathy, you can go through moments of psychosis and I think you're born as a sociopath or trauma can trigger but again that just feels quite like I'm not a psychologist but it or a psychiatrist but again that wording felt a bit off I just think the fact that the cut granted her anonymity the fact like we said there's so little resolution in the piece the fact that it sounds really like a cry for help if she was this loving person before and she suddenly even herself feels like I'm being like a psychopath that would point towards some sort of you know mental breakdown postpartum which is really common

it's like one of the most difficult things a woman can go through and just parts of it for me everyone's focusing on the cat it's all for she's never been in that position but how did it get that far and then she's written a piece about it it's like I don't know the ethics of the piece just feel a bit muddy to me like we've spoken about this before but how far do personal essays and clicks go um if this was someone in my life I and I found out about it through the piece or whatever I'd be horrified you would and you feel like you'd let them down maybe yeah I think so because wouldn't you go around and like feed their cat it just sounds like she's got a lack of people supporting her yeah it really does yeah if you went into his house it was overflowing with

with shit and their cat was being sick everywhere like I think you would yeah it does you're right it does point to an isolation which I think it isn't there in the piece and I think it you just have to look for it um and the response hasn't been overwhelmingly empathetic it has been right like justifiedly very angry especially because there's nowhere for the anger to go apart from at the cut. every outlet to be sure but usually under some veneer of plausible deniability or editorial merit which i think is a very good point what what is the merit of this piece beyond they make money from um advertising and everyone who reads it feels sick and angry and learns nothing yeah i agree yeah because some of the other response on twitter which were like you said much more gentle where women went actually I was really shocked to find

that this little animal that had been you know the love of my life I had a baby and suddenly actually they weren't as important that still made me feel really sad but it's like quite interesting to know and I'm sure it happens and that with a name of an author, I think that would have been enough of an interesting insight. I think that sort of like having quite a detailed account of abuse and sort of like gleefully admitting to it without any name, it does, that's where I just feel like, yeah, what value does this add

and what lesson is being learned? And even the writer, there doesn't seem to be a resolution. And I just hope that there is a duty of care to her whoever she is and also that the cat's okay okay so I feel like there's one question and literally one question only from my time online this week are you team Blake Lively or team Justin Baldoni quick I'm gonna sit on the fence I'm team truth I've never felt more whiplash in terms of like believe women don't start a hate train against women and also then like some of the very strange things that she's been saying so I'm just gonna

not say too much okay fair well we're gonna we're gonna try our best to wade through the shit um so essentially the pair have been involved in what seems to be a giant PR clusterfuck they've both been working on the Colleen Hoover film adaptation of It Ends With Us they had their press tour really recently and eagle-eyed social media fans have noticed what seems to be a kind of rift between the pair. Justin was the director and Blake Lively was a producer but also the leading actress in it. She stars as Lily Bloom and Justin stars as Ryle, Ryle Kinsade? I think so. Ryle K so i can say sadly i think that is his name that's sorry that's not his name ryle can say the story follows the pair's romance as it blossoms but then

tragically becomes abusive essentially the pair weren't pictured together despite being the film's leads for the premiere on the 6th of August and now Justin's hired the same PR crisis manager Melissa Nathan who did Johnny Depps during the Amber Heard trial so yeah there's been lots of criticism online about the fact that he's directing a film about domestic abuse and then now hired the same PR crisis manager who was hired by somebody facing allegations of domestic abuse. It's all getting very, very messy. I would say the main thing that we're watching now is not only has it become which team are you, we can actively see that the internet is turning against Blake Lively specifically and it's becoming very anti-her. I've seen things from, you know know interview clips taken out of context suggesting that she doesn't

care about domestic violence or domestic abuse when really the quotes that she is saying have just been taken out of context there's things coming up from her past like the fact that she had um a wedding in 2012 with Ryan Reynolds at a former plantation which yeah I mean there was there was no getting around the fact that they had a wedding at Boone Hall Plantation but they spoke about it in 2020 and they've dealt with that but all of these things are getting dragged up to the light what do you think? So on my way out to Edinburgh this is when all the rumour mill was kind of starting to start and I had a four-hour train down and full battery so I was just reading everything I could and there's been so many rumors that um a rumor that spread that feels quite unplausible is that Ryan and Blake decided

that this was going to be her Oscar nomination film and so he wanted to kind of stick his hand in a little bit and I just don't think that would be true because even though the book was very successful it's not been received critically in a very positive light it was kind of one of those books and the series have done very well commercially and on TikTok but I don't think an adaptation of this kind of film would usually be in the running for the Oscars so I don't that doesn't feel true but this is kind of where the fury, sorry, the rumors started. And the idea is that they wanted to change the direction of the film and they got quite heavy handed. And there was a big fallout because Justin wanted to have a certain view on it and Ryan and Blake wanted it slightly more sanitized. And there does seem like there's elements of the script which feel very Ryan Reynolds-y

from what people are saying um and so that's what all the kind of hate on Blake started and I have to say this Blake hate is really easy to get on with even I can feel myself I've always felt quite neutral to her I loved her in Gossip Girl and then she kind of dropped off the face of the earth I've always found her and Ryan's humor quite saccharine and a bit cringe but I was never like offended by them but just seeing kind of this build-up of animosity against her even I subconsciously started to find her grating on me which is exactly what we've seen happen in the past with like so many other female celebrities and I found it very interesting how quickly I was being turned to hate her. But then it's also making me think of Don't Worry Darling and all of the controversy on that set with like Harry Styles and the spit.

I miss those days. And then I'm thinking like nowadays you just can't really trust anything. For all we know, this is kind of um publicity for the film as well do you know what it's a really good point because i was so excited not to care about this film i've read one colleen hoover book not the one that this is based on and i said that's plenty for me but i'm happy for people to have their fun with it but this has forced it into my consciousness and it will have done the same to a lot of other people. Whether it will get like, it's already doing really well at the cinema. It's got like, I don't know, 50 million box office, maybe just in the US, opening weekend.

It's doing very well. So I do wonder whether it's just a happy accident that this is all going down. Not for the people involved, but the finances and whoever's making the money. I don't know. I do just find it, that don't worry darling where the places where that went to the point where they said harry styles has spat on a man on tv of course he actually didn't do that that was that was crazy not the yeah that was really um had a bit of like joy de vive or whatever had something whereas this to me i'm just seeing the

same clips over and over it is blake lively answering a question she's getting a really i think she's getting a real villain edit in this and of course we're loving it it is very easy not to be a huge fan of hers because she's i think she struggles to be relatable which makes sense as a very very rich woman who's been famous and rich for most of her life so it's not really you know the leap is not that large and we're all you know society is very misogynistic it just feels like it's a real shame because this film's about domestic violence i think justin's interviews seem to be trying to highlight trying to do a good job of of uh furthering that message and i think she probably feels the same but the train has gotten away from the tracks if that's a saying and all

people are talking about is the feud rather than here's a message which here's a film with a message that even if i don't want to see the film i can recognize like a worthy message when i see one if that makes sense it sort of feels like it's souring a bit yeah I feel like so a lot of the criticism has focused on the fact that she has promoted her haircare line during the movie tour rather than um you know starting a conversation around domestic abuse which is the big theme of the film but the thing is I feel like she's clearly she's clearly had a misstep in terms of the communication during the press tour but I think the way that she is getting villainized is really dark like when did I don't know I don't think the way the internet is talking about her really matches the crime of having made a few PR

mistakes and it's very strange that the internet has just like blindly supported Justin. And I think part of that comes from the fact he doesn't really have an open history on the internet in the same way that Blake Lively has for, you know, 15 years. And we can pick and choose various things from bloody 2012 and her wedding to say that she's quote unquote a bad person. And it really does remind me of the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial where all I'm seeing on my timeline at the very least is real extreme hatred to Blake Lively calling her you know all sorts of horrendous things saying all sorts of like really intense things and also seeing that if somebody does say something even

just neutral about her the comments are wild I just why is everyone getting so kicked up about this I wonder if this is just another case of algorithms being manipulated to kind of interfere with this story because it's just it's so strange the intensity of all of this I have to say this again I don't want to hate her and I I've just noticed that I have been if I don't pay attention to it quite naturally building up a sort of reticence towards her but when I watch her interviews I do think it's interesting how unmedia trained she seems because there's one point where someone asked her questions like what would you do how would you say is best for a fan if they can't approach you about this film like what's the

best way to do it and she kind of in a quite a sort of like facetious way says oh what you want my home address you want my phone number and it's like yes we understand things about boundaries we understand it would be quite weird it's always like kind of quite intrusive when you have people with a parasocial relationship to you coming up to you and asking you about intense things. But her response just felt so kind of throwing it back in her fans' faces when she could have said, I understand this is going to bring up so much stuff for you. If I see you on the street, I'd be happy to talk about it. Obviously, that's quite a lot and I'm not a qualified therapist and I don't necessarily have the tools, but let me point you in the direction of some websites or something like it just felt very strange like she kind of is just so not down to earth I think is what was really coming up

in a lot of the interviews whereas I think with other films you see that these actors have kind of like maybe a little bit of a script or you know with any kind of show you'll get that thing of like if you've been affected by any of these issues you know I can't talk about it but hey look here's all of these resources and that level of care just doesn't seem to exist with what she's talking about. Whereas Justin, on the other hand, has been very, from the videos and the way that it's been portrayed, been really focusing on the messages of domestic violence and abuse. And, you know, how important it is to talk about it and show it from a woman's point of view. And I don't know if it's just that maybe she hasn't done a red carpet in ages.

Because again, when she was talking about Britney Spears and all of these interviews, you can tell she's kind of pulling what she's saying just out of thin air. And it just feels very like, not that you should be rehearsed, but like kind of unprepared. And I wonder if that's what people are finding a bit jarring

because maybe it feels like this woman's so famous and she has so much power and she's just kind of turned up for the ride she's done a film and and i have to say i have read the book and i personally thought it was absolutely terrible um it's i again i i kind of enjoyed it in terms of like it's easy to enjoy because it's it's kind of like a a ride in a way but it's it's also i did think it was very like glorifying of domestic abuse so it'll be interesting to see whether or not the way

that the film is done is if they've managed to reroute that a little bit so that it feels slightly more gentle and respectful and also realistic but again some of her comments around survivors and victims of domestic abuse felt kind of like brushing off and I don't know if that's just because maybe she has a very um rose-tinted glasses way of looking at life and wants to be very positive. I think it's just those two approaches feel so stark. I definitely don't want to hate her. I do think that perhaps her and Ryan operate as individual entities without having being advised.

Maybe they think that they now are wise enough to know how to talk and actually that's really showing i think that's such a good point because they like the spirit of 2014 like beams off them they are that kind of not cringe couple but they have that kind of online presence that is very 20 yeah cringe 2014 and actually i think if you drunk the kool-aid enough actually is that offensive to say if you have um if you're that if you're that far kind of um into yourself if you think no i actually like myself i've got a really solid presence which they do on social media they've got a really solid presence people love it people call them couple girls i think we've

even talked about their social media presence before as being like very funny, very unique. I think if you go, well, that works, you might then try and replicate that in interviews and be quite like acerbic and quite like, oh, I'm just going to do a quip. And it did fall. That's what I was thinking. It did fall flat. It just didn't translate. So I think maybe it was whether she worked with someone or not and said, okay, this is the persona I'm going to have. And it's going to be very much like, like like i am online and it's gonna be quite funny and it's gonna be a little bit you know challenging they are quite good like that they take the piss out of each other a lot i think it was maybe a failure of that rather than her not paying for a pr or just ignoring a pr like advice it felt very much like an instagram caption come to life and just gone horribly wrong yeah

the rollout of this whole film just sounds like it's been a disaster I do think there is also an element of when her name was attached to this film did you see I feel like the response online was already like so negative and so disparaging of her being associated with it so I think there's so many things at play and part of me thinks that the fandom around this book is already quite activated and they were very against her being at the helm of it so I think that already had created this appetite for waiting watching seeing what she was going to do with it and she did mess up the communication around the film from her point of view I think she yeah I think she should have you know raised awareness around the issues and she didn't so I think what we see now is just like the most intense clusterfuck of

people just like almost relishing her slipping up and failing at this the thing is though it feels so strange and I don't think she's an unintelligent woman which is why I'm like is this on purpose because I think part of the narrative within the book is this idea that I can't really remember so much what's wrong but this idea that when you are a victim of abuse sometimes it's not apparent to you straight away and so it can take a really long time to actually sit with experiences and be like oh my god actually I don't think this is right and so I'm wondering if there's an element of like because she's being really meta with her character and kind of doing it in that way um but the other the other kind of I guess the thing where people are having

a bit of schadenfreude and saying that like she's got a lot of hubris is the fact that she's doing her own styling and she styled the girl that plays like the younger version of herself in the film and again it's one of those things it's just very interesting I think she's got her own quirky style she kind of looks like someone's thrown up on her from Oliver Bonas which sometimes I like oh but it's like again it's kind of like this level of sometimes you can't do everything and I get the impression and all of the rumors are kind of like Ryan and Blake really, you know, drank their own sauce and think they can do everything. I don't like how much people are hating her. It is frustrating, but I do think it has been a bit of a shit show

in terms of how they've been promoting the film. And I have to say, I'm going to watch it just out of pure curiosity now because I'm just really fascinated about what they've done with the storyline. And, yeah. do we want to talk about the storyline a bit because i i know that his name is ryle which is not a name and she is called lily bloom and she owns a flower shop so my expectations i know you can take a quite a unpolished or quite sparse text and make a really you know solid film from that has happened in the past but when you said oscars earlier i thought surely not so lily bloom grew up in a

household where her father abused her mother and when her dreams come true and she opens her own florist in boston she meets charming neurosurgeon ryle the pair fall in love and get married but their relationship behind closed doors is one of abuse when lily runs into her first love atlas in a restaurant ryle becomes more possessive and violent and lily is left questioning what to do as she falls into the same abusive relationship as her mother so reading that plot it's like it is the whole thing is about domestic abuse. And there's a couple of times when Blake said stuff like, but a woman isn't just a survivor. She's not just a victim. She's also, and then goes on to list all these other things, which I actually think is quite undermining because calling yourself a survivor often, it does become your identity because

you have survived. Like that's the whole point. It's like, it's not something to be cast aside and be put in amongst all of these other things. For a lot of people, once you go through something that big, the title of survivor is the thing that you wrestle with and deal with. And it can maybe feel a little bit icky to be like, but she's not just this, she's more than that because it just feels, yeah, it feels ever so slightly toned up. I don't know if that is just her saccharine, very smiley, very happy personality.

And she's just trying to be sweet, but it just does feel strange. Yeah. And I feel like when you have a film that's tackling issues like this, the hope is that you have so many consultants, you have so many charities, you have so many people like talking to you

through the entire process. And I have no idea if that's been the case for this film but it does I get why it's left a bad taste in people's mouth the press roll out for this and then the communication around um the themes but also the character Lily because yeah I don't know it's just it's not coming, is it? What's weird is to me is that this, there's so little evidence for there to be a feud relative to other things. There's the cast not following each other. There's them sort of avoiding saying, other cast members avoiding saying Justin Baldoni's name. So little to go on. And yet we have arrived here, e.g. the internet, really angry with one person. I think,

had we just had the conversation of probably nothing going on huge, but maybe is there a better way to talk about domestic violence? Is this meta or whatever? But the fact that it has, I don't know, we're just spinning a whole thing out of very few threads. Are we very bored on the internet? I don't know like it feels like this is a non-story that is the biggest story i agree i agree well i think it's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds we never really got to the bottom of the don't worry darling rumors there was just more rumors that came about and then everyone kind of forgot so it'll be interesting to see whether this is just all pr spin or if anything more concrete comes out. But we'd love to know if you guys are going to go and see it.

It Ends With Us is out in cinemas now. So it's a very dark day slash week in, well, the UK and globally. Molly May and Tommy Fury. So on Wednesday, 14th of August, the pair announced in separate statements that their five-year relationship was over. The timeline's response has been swift and quite merciless, I think, with a mix of commentary where Tommy Fury isn't coming out the best with speculation about his behavior and the memes,

the memes, the memes. So if anyone listening has not heard about this, you're lying. I'm going to take initial reactions from you and Ani and Ruchira. How do you feel? Does it feel real yet? And are you doing okay? I'm definitely in a state of shock. I think that's probably the best way to share how I feel. I have been monitoring their relationship for a while because I'm a freak. So I never thought we'd see this day. I thought for various reasons they'd be together for a very long time. So I hadn't actually really seen anything from Molly Mae since her engagement that was kind of the last time she popped up on my timeline I'd kind of forgotten about her

the minute that I found out about this through a series of tweets actually which I didn't know what anyone was referring to I just kept seeing tweets like oh my god the statement means he's obviously cheated and I was like who is this about within like seconds of her statement being up I have to say I'm relieved I remember when there's been subsequent articles since about this but when she would do like YouTube videos basically like she was the main care for Bambi and she didn't really have any help and like how she was really overwhelmed there was just signs for me that perhaps she wasn't in a super supportive relationship with Tommy and she's so young and she has a baby so I am shocked because I agree

with the chair I kind of thought they were like allegedly the Beckhams who allegedly are you know parts of their relationship are for show um and I I really believe that she would stay with him through thick and thin there's been so many rumors over the years of him cheating and just other kind of rumors so um I'm happy for her because I think that from what I've gathered from pieces of pressure she's done from YouTube videos when I was still following her it did sound like maybe he wasn't ready to be a dad and wasn't supporting her fully so I'm glad that maybe she's going to find a situation that's more supportive or but I am shocked that she actually kind of pulled the

trigger yeah you're right I think she I forget how young they both are they're both 25 they've been together since 2019 so I think they were both teenagers or both kind of 20 years old she has not been single in her adult life as a mum I mean she's fucking rich gorgeous I'm a bit jealous of her actually like the world i think is not ready let her heal whatever you know take some time alone but i think she will come back um absolutely fighting one thing that is interesting is a lot of their like social media stuff a lot of their businesses don't seem to be super tied together like she's very much molly may versus like the beckhams or other couples that really go all in on like joint management

obviously their relationship is couple goals to so many young women especially and i think a lot of his popularity maybe bleeds away from hers whereas she has been a successful vlogger in her own right for a while so i I'm really sad for her but I do think I think she will just ascend I think we'll get like a Kim K level of stardom that she's not even seen before I know that she's taking a bit of time off but I think she'll have a proper like glow up who do we think who do we think should be her next partner who could be her equal so do you know what I think is going to happen I think she's going to have an Ariana Maddox style elevation so for those of you that didn't watch

Van and Pump Rules Ariana Maddox was the member of that show that very famously got cheated on by her partner with a best friend I think there's going to be more to come out about this um breakup because like lots of speculation that I've seen online has been saying like it's really sudden. He was on her Instagram like a few days ago and all of a sudden she's announced the split. So loads of people are speculating, is there a story that's going to come out in the press? It must have been something quite extreme, like how specific wording in the statement feels very much like it's irreconcilable whatever's happened and I think this is actually going to catapult her like you said both of you said like into greater fame and so I can't even

imagine who her next suitor will be because I think she's going to end up doing something she was very successful but she still was sort of that like pretty little thing still very much an influencer even though she'd reached the top of that she kind of had got to the top place that she could in that category that she's in yeah I actually think Tommy Fury will fade away into obscurity after this I agree he was already he was already making that bizarre pivot into like celebrity boxing and this very like to me niche online kind of fame like the Logangan pauls of the world and like starting up beef with like all sorts of like yeah men online and whatnot but i think her kind of

fame has been she was like the people's princess online for a bit and i think people have what i've noticed that she hasn't been posting for a while recently, and she has come back a bit more in the past week or two. And I think, as is the case with every single young thing, you end up posting more, she hopefully will be more online. I think people are going to fall back in love with her again, not that they fell out of love. But yeah, I think people really love her. And I agree with you both. I think this will be really good for her and I'm really looking forward to this new chapter of what that will look like I feel like such a big sister and I think she has gone up and down in like the public's affections so people really liked her on Love Island and then there was the Stephen Bartlett comment which when she was on his what was his show called CEO Diary of a CEO.

Diary of a CEO. We've referenced a few times where she said, everyone's got the same 24 hours in a day. Young, silly comment. And then she goes up and down. I think, yeah, this will cement her as a real sweetheart. People get very protective. Obviously, she's kind of a petite, blonde, white girl. So it's not going to be a huge leap, I think,

to rebrand as I was if she was if she was like the scorned woman as like a healing girl things like that so I think purely like a business-minded way the world just opens up when a woman is publicly wronged by a man or like I don't know I think we're always looking for someone to root for to like see ourselves in yeah an underdog I agree and I really think that if something has gone on there which is you know as you said if she's scored in any way her she has huge super fans even when she said the 24 hours day in a day thing there were obviously lots of people criticizing her but the majority of her sort of like fervent followers would have seen that as inspirational and wouldn't have even ever fallen off the map in terms of loving her she is just really probably the most successful person to come out of above island so I really think that

if something has happened with Tommy I think it's going to be tv shows she's going to have like reality tv series I do just think she's going to be everywhere she's got to be tv shows she's going to have like reality tv series i do just think she's going to be everywhere she's got to be on loose women in at least three weeks oh my gosh you've called it you've called it here okay but i am sad obviously i am too i am too because i've been there obviously i haven't been there i haven't been like co-parenting and like my fiance dumped me but I've been my Tommy Fury I have been 25 and like heartbroken and kind of trying to keep my cool which so she put out the statement where she's really she just says like I never thought I'd have to do this a million years I'm heartbroken I've never had to share that with almost eight million people fair enough but that feeling is

universal I wonder if she will stay offline I think well I think because she had her baby so young as well because that was quite a talking point because obviously Tommy comes from the traveler community where having babies younger and having lots of babies is very common and lots of people were quite you know surprised at how young she was when she had her first baby Bambi I think she was 23 so that's another thing I just feel sad that she maybe made a decision again I'm literally just you know creating my own perception of what what's happened but I can't imagine being so young and then being a single mother then again you know she's very rich she's very beautiful and she will she will be okay because money often in these

situations is one of the hardest things so she's luckily going to be very secure but just what a difficult position for anyone like heartbreak and breakups are awful but going through that with a young child must just make things so much worse going through it with a child and also going through it publicly like as we just mentioned the memes coming out can you imagine having a breakup going through a personal change potentially a crisis depending on how you feel about a breakup with a child and then seeing the internet just like erupt into like a new sense of humor and like finding yourself memed by all this yeah I mean nothing could make me want to be that level of famous ultimately because this is just like this is the perfect example of like how you almost don't become human that's a really good point and I do wonder

I mean she can't be on twitter surely but I do wonder what it is about these moments that make people so funny it's like everyone does join together to make really like witty quippy jokes I wish we could do this about like I don't know the non sad moments for other people's lives because it is you feel part of something when you're on the internet like tweeting your little jokes we definitely spoke about this before but it is also only on twitter there is such a specific language I can't remember which episode we were talking about like the difference between twitter and threads and like why threads never worked and so like I fully believe that on Instagram I doubt she'll get any negativity I think she will just be sworn with love and positivity and people being kind

it really is just this specific language of Twitter where people are just so inventive and so creative and so funny with their memes I think it's because there's a rich history so it becomes so referential to things from like however many years ago like you know the was it Wayne Rooney saying about um Whitney Houston having passed away he was like I want to run to you R.I.P. so I'm so sad I can't believe it it's just yeah I can't believe I can't believe this when I run to you and that just gets wheeled out and wheeled out for anyone it doesn't matter if it's the queen it doesn't matter if it's Molly Mae's relationship that phrase from what must be like literally 15 years ago now just as it's become law on the site and there's so much law with what you meme and like the phrases you

use so i think it's just like you can't replicate that very easily like i remember ed ball's day every single year the day of the year where Ed Ball's tweeted his own name. And like, I forget everyone's birthdays, but I'm ready and waiting morning of Ed Ball's day. I'm really interested to see off the back of this. I think that Molly May was in a cohort of quite famous influencers and young women who, and this also probably ties into the trad wife trajectory as well, who were getting married or, you know, she wasn't actually married, but settling down very young, having children very young, very much glamorizing motherhood and pregnancy and talking about it as something that was really, you know, desirable and engendered a lot of, I think, young girls to want to get into very serious relationships much younger. And her

sort of being the queen bee of a lot of those trends. I saw lots of Instagrammers that I follow who are same age as her, younger than her kind of having babies quite soon after she announced her pregnancy also getting pregnant i don't know how much of that is related but it very much did feel like she did start some sort of trend and i do wonder what this breakup you know if that will have any impact on people going back to that kind of the idea that maybe relationships in your early 20s won't end up being the one forever maybe you know it is better to take a bit more time and obviously people can have kids whatever they want but I definitely think that started a sort of trend of motherhood being seen as a cool thing to do or like getting pregnant being like a fashionable thing to do yeah I think she's

massively inspired by Kylie Jenner as well and I think Kylie Jenner if Molly Mae is queen bee Kylie Jenner is like the god looking down on Molly Mae and the fact that she literally is a cover star for British Vogue this month as well and talking about being a young mum it is interesting and I don't know how to say this I don't want it to sound cruel but it is interesting these like high profile young mums having had relationship breakdowns and having almost like at least in the case of Kylie Jenner having like a new chapter with her being now a cover star dating Timothee Chalamet having almost like a an openly public new chapter post presenting an idealized version of the young mum thing in a couple and it's interesting because Kylie Jenner is one of the

only people in the world who could have had two children and then gone on to date and live in a very normal existence. And like that just is not the truth of most people. If you had two children in your early twenties and then had a breakup, your life is going to be probably quite complicated and difficult and not necessarily filled with much fun and excitement and joy whereas Kylie can just be on yachts dating Timothee Chalamet and you know she's probably got I think it sounds like she can be quite a hands-on mother but she will have access to a myriad numbers of cleaners and nannies and just that access so again it's so it's kind of not even comparable people look up to these women but it's just like that isn't reality for most

people they are really living in a completely different universe from anyone else yeah the feelings might be the same but like the impact on your bank balance your bottom line your future security is not the same um i'm fascinated by that i kind of divested from molly may because i just thought, we don't really, like she's getting married, she's got a baby, we're very different people.

I was not relating to this influencer and now she's been potentially wronged and is single, I might be back in. Maybe we need to avenge Molly Mae. Maybe that's what's going to come. I do agree. I'm seated. I'm definitely interested. I think it's going to come i do agree i haven't i'm i'm seated i'm definitely interested

i think um it's going to be awful whatever she's gone through but just mark my words she is about to go catastrophic okay i think he wants to deactivate if you have any strong burning opinions about the breakup or about any other celebrity breakups let us know what you think are you team molly may team tommy team get back together team nobody because that's very childish let us know your opinions at everything's content pod and we will report on this story as it unfolds thanks for listening if you've enjoyed the podcast please tell a friend and leave us a rating wherever you get your podcasts and if you haven't yet follow us on instagram and tiktok at everything is content pod please drop us a message as well we love to talk to you see you next week bye