EXPLORE WITH US - Husband Loses It After Discovering Why His Wife Disappeared: The Case of Sherri Papini

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

Husband LOSES IT after discovering WHY his wife disappeared...The following podcast episode is not legal advice. Do not rely on the information in this presentation without speaking to a licensed attorney.No one discussed in these videos has been formally diagnosed by EWU and our psychological analysis is based on the general behaviors and traits of the people discussed.

Hi, I have an emergency. There's a lady on the side of the road. Do you know where you are? Are you chained up? Yes, yes. And then I saw the small revolver. Take a deep breath, sweetie. Who chained you up?

Do you know the person or were you kidnapped? When a young mother goes missing while out for a run, the news of her kidnapping makes national headlines. After 22 days of searching with no sign of her anywhere, her loved ones were beginning to lose hope. That is, until she miraculously reappeared, starved and beaten, but alive. However, the relief was short-lived.

Her kidnapping was only the tip of the iceberg. It would take over four years to unravel the unbelievable and carefully organized lies. Nothing was at all as it seemed to be. Not much is conclusively known about the events of Sherry's morning on November 2nd, 2016, except for a few things. The 34-year-old mother woke up early inside her Reading, California home. Her husband Keith left for work around 7 o'clock. Sherry got her two young kids ready, fed them breakfast,

and dropped them off at Pandora's daycare like she did every day. Seeing as her husband was at work and her kids were at school, These are the only few aspects of Sherry's morning that could be verified. But it's what happened next that would turn the lives of Sherry and her family upside down and leave the nation stunned. Supposedly, after doing some chores around the house, Sherry changed into some athletic wear and set out for a run. She stepped outside her front door, did some light stretching,

then skipped off the porch and began jogging down the road. When Keith returned home from work around 5 p.m., his wife's car was in the driveway. He expected to walk in and find Sherry and the kids running around just like any other day. He stepped inside, and there was silence. This was extremely strange. Sherry was a stay-at-home mom, and she'd usually pick their children up from daycare by the time he got home from work. Still, Keith sat down, turned the TV on, and tried to relax. Sherry had probably taken the kids for a walk, nothing too out of the ordinary.

He sent his wife a text inquiring about her location, but got no reply. He called his mother, but she hadn't heard from Sherry either. He then used the Find My iPhone app on his phone in an attempt to locate Sherry's phone and was relieved when it pinged at the nearby intersection of Sunrise Drive, an old Oregon trail. However, his relief was short-lived when it appeared that nothing had been taken for. from the house to carry their two small children in. He called the children's daycare at 545 and learned they had never been picked up.

As worry set in, he drove to find Sherry at the intersection where her phone had pinged. However, she was nowhere to be found. He pinged Sherry's phone a second time and located it nearby in the grass, abandoned. Not long after that, he made this 911 call. Hello, can I help you? So I just got home from work and my wife wasn't there, which is unusual, and my kids

should have been there by now from like daycare. I found her phone and it's got like hair ripped out of it like in the headphones. So I'm like totally freaking out thinking like somebody like grabbed her. Is her vehicle there? Does she not have a vehicle? She has a vehicle. Okay, the vehicle is at the house? She's running.

Okay. Yes, I'm in it right now driving and I took a picture of her phone on the ground before I picked it up. When's the last time you heard from her? She said to me 1047 asking me if I was calling me. coming home from work. Something happened to her. The way I'm looking at it. I understand.

You're freaking out of the way. We want to make sure we get to kids. Make sure they're okay. Do you want me to wait right here for later? If you want to head back to your residence, they can contact you there, and in case she does return. Okay.

Okay. Police soon arrived to talk to Keith, but according to him, he knew nothing about what could have happened to his wife. The immediate area was looked over, and after coming up with nothing, They organized a formal search. In the following days and weeks, the search area would grow,

and so would the number of people searching. Neighbors, friends, family, and volunteers from all over California would join what ended up growing into a widespread manhunt for Sherry. All the while, Keith was at the forefront of the campaign to find his wife. While it's true that people go missing every day whose faces aren't plastered on the news, the rally to bring Sherry home garnered more media attention than anyone could have predicted. Before long, Sherry's picture was underneath headlines across the country. The story quickly caught fire, and Keith, as well as the police,

were getting calls from media outlets left and right for intel on the case. But truthfully, there weren't many updates to give them. Investigators weren't able to lift anything useful from Sherry's cell phone. With that being the only piece of evidence they had, detectives found themselves with no real direction to go in. They quickly turned their attention to Sherry's husband to see what he knew about his wife's disappearance. What detectives would end up uncovering

through their conversation with Keith were unsettling details pertaining to an unhealthy side of his and Sherry's relationship, or what some might call motive. What you're about to see is newly released footage of one of the police's earliest conversations with Keith, which took place shortly after Sherry, went missing. The footage has been analyzed by a qualified team,

including a licensed attorney, a licensed clinical psychologist, a former licensed professional counselor, and a licensed professional counselor. But like a normal route for her run, would she run on older than trail, parochas? Parochas back?

She would normally go to the mailboxes and back. Now, she's been running more and more. She wanted to get ready for the CASA run. We're all going to go to the, it's like the cost where everybody jumps up superheroes. Okay. Now, when I used to run, I'm not going to mailboxing bag of nothing, you know, so I would go,

I would make a big loop and go down older on the trail and then come back. Now, I'd go paracast. I'd go paracast and I'd come home sunrise. Oh. So I'm not, there's a possibility that she was like, hey, I'm going to step up my, you know, running, I'm going to go this way. I'm going to walk the old way and then I'm going to run again or something. And I keep going back to something like that because the way the phone is, I mean, I'm sure you guys have seen, I know I shouldn't picture.

It's weird to me, and I forgot all my ideas, but my latest idea is I don't think it happened there. I think where the T is, where you can go pericast or sunrise, I think it happens somewhere in there because there's no houses except for that crack house. So I think two guys, there's something, in a car, they drive, the phone gets cell phone range again. It doesn't have cell phone range right there. It makes it sound lo-lo-le-le-le-or something, and they go, oh, and they grab it, and they give it a little chucks, so it bounces, and it kind of stays, but it's still pretty intact, so that's why I don't get that problem. There's a few random stories I've been getting. Obviously, you've got tips, I was hoping maybe you could see if you did get some good tips, or a lot to talk about that. But one of the girls was like, oh, I saw her run by at 11.30, and I heard a scream over my radio at 2, and the cops never talked to me, and I'm like,

What do you mean? They came to your house at like 1 a.m. Because it was that weird house with the shady people. So I'm like, so then everybody wants to talk to all these people now. And I feel like there should be a dog going to the house, just to see if it smells anything around their house. Because I still feel somebody, I don't think that lives near me, but I think it's an acquaintance of somebody down my street.

This is my theory. Because I, some guy driving on the lower, I was like, hey, how blonde, pull in, let me throw it in. I mean, that seems totally not logical, but not ruling it out. And another part of our day yesterday was to see if this was voluntary or unvoluntary, like missing. And we ran that stuff out and we're still back to, we're still back to where we are. We know where she's up. We know where her phone is.

We have a rough time estimate of that. As far as they hear the screen over the radio, we have talked to her. just like talking, it's hard to verify certain things. The 11 o'clock fits lots of other stories and people talking to us. I'm saying 11 to 12 she left, and I think 1110 she started running, based on text message, based on the guys that were cutting that tree right there. That's all hurt. He's clearly been brainstorming a lot concerning his wife's disappearance,

as with any spouse who's desperate to find their partner. However, someone who wants to keep suspicion away from them could also benefit from planting theories and steering the investigation in a particular direction. In a missing person's case, the victim's partner is very often one of the first and most thoroughly investigated of the suspects, and Keith is likely aware of the detective's suspicions.

The spouse is often looked at closely when their partner disappears, so the detective is likely suspicious of Keith right now. The only other thing I was thinking is, I was also, maybe she got tired and sat down, and that's why the phone was like that. I was like, I really, that's a weird, you saw it. It's not how the hell just sits there. Yeah. And she wouldn't let me get her like blood very. I know her.

And then why would she leave the phone? And if some guy, like, pulled out, she'd run. I mean, she would scramed. Or there would have been like a kickmark. I mean, there's nothing. Yep. But I saw anyone. Keith not only recognizes, but points out holes in the abduction theory.

This is an indicator that he's being truthful with detectives. Someone who's guilty in this situation would have more to gain by pushing the idea that she was taken, rather than tearing it down. Now, one thing I heard, and obviously I have a different stand, and you guys have to go with facts. I heard Sanko, and he's like, at this point, it's not an abduction. Me, I'm like, yeah, it is. Like, why aren't you saying it says? Is that because you have no evidence, or is that because you're like, we're still checking out, you know, because my family member, he's like,

don't think you're not still being looked at. And I was like, they can look at me all they want. Like, I'd be pissed if they're wasting resources on me. I understand that they need to look at me. But I was like, if there was like a team five guys looking into me and this whole time, they should know, okay, it wasn't him. We need to go here. I'm going to be like, I'm kidding.

So, sorry, you know, I'm getting upset, but I wanted to bring it to your attention. So I don't know why that was said. But that fine-lined, the big scheme of things, per paper, per what we're putting out there, she's a missing person at risk with suspicious circumstances. That's the legal mumbo-jumbo. That's not to believe that we're not investigating this like it's an abduction. The legal term is missing person at risk under suspicious circumstances. That's why that was said.

So it's not the suspicious circumstances for us, paper, whatever, like for that side. stuff is the abduction or what we believe possibly is an abduction. So we're running that down as an abduction at this point until evidence tends to show us someone or not. Most innocent individuals will be cooperative with an investigation, but they may express anger or dismay at being wrongfully accused. Given that this is a missing person's case, there's an even greater sense of urgency to find Sherry before it's too late. It's justified that Keith would be frustrated by the idea of police possibly wasting time looking into him. In the meantime, I think today had questions.

Go ahead. So, based on that, we're looking at you. Yes, we are looking at you. I told you that from the very beginning. We're not wasting resources on it, but we, to get to the next step, not fully get to the next step, not there's not detectives on that next step. To fully get to that next step, we have to look at you. Because if we don't, it's irresponsible.

When the detective definitively informs Keith that he's a suspect, Keith leans forward and puts his hands on the table. A gesture that indicates that he's being open and has nothing to hide. Though his mannerism suggests that he'd have no reason to be involved, the troubling undertones of their relationship might suggest otherwise. What was going on in your guys' relationship in February of this year? Huh. I would have no idea.

I mean, I'm assuming it would be related to me. maybe a text message, and then we go back and forth and we say meetings when we get in arguments. Seeing as the detective is asking about something that occurred nine months prior, it's not too concerning that Keith can't seem to remember, but his response does provide us with some key information concerning the extent of their relationship troubles. If someone rarely gets into fights with their spouse, it's more likely that they'd remember a fight from months ago. It would be such an unusual event that it would stand out in their memory.

However, if a couple's relationship dynamic involves frequent screaming matches, it would be more difficult to remember each one because it's such a regular occurrence that they start to blend together. You kind of trade more like recently everything's fine. Recently things have been fine. Definitely. And which it all appears that way. Oh, yeah. I understand you to go back because you're asking you. I mean, you guys are good and you guys have your arguments. Sherry is definitely very she wants the

I don't know how to do this here we get an argument since she blows up not not Facebook or anything but she'll definitely make a big scene and get very mad and she's kind of a slam door type of a person me and like don't you know you're going to break I can I'm going to

I am more of, I want to leave and go and leave the situation that you cool, but then I get in trouble for that because that makes her upset. So I don't leave now, I sit there and I go, calm down, calm down, calm down. Then she'll start, she'll like want to, well, verbally kind of attack, if you will, and then she'll say some neat things. And then after so much, I'll say some of the mean things. then we are upset and then within like a day hey that was pretty wild last night right and then we were all good because we have kids

I don't like when she yells and gets mad in front of the kids it's like I remember when I was a kid my parents were just fine I hated that so it could have been something where we thought about yes but you can't do that around the kids so I am willing if you want me to I'll go and read or you can tell me what the exact fight was

and I don't tell you everything about it. What Keith is describing could qualify as an emotionally abusive relationship, with Sherry being the abuser and himself being the victim. Her alleged explosive temper could be seen as a manipulation tactic to get Keith to do what she wants. However, without Sherry here to give her side, it's difficult to know what's actually true.

When a partner is abusive, especially in the form of emotional abuse, it's not uncommon for them to try to twist the situation to make the victim seem somehow responsible for the abuse. One way they do this is to gaslight the victim and make them feel that their feelings are invalid. This can cause the victim to feel crazy and question their own feelings,

and sometimes even leads to extreme cases of the victim acting out. In that case, it makes it even easier for the abuser to flip the script since the victim outwardly appears as the unstable one in the relationship. When really they're being driven to that behavior by the abusers manipulation. Regardless of who's fueling the fire in their relationship, the conditions Keith is describing are very unhealthy. Are these loud arguments?

No, for her, she will get loud. And I was telling you guys' story got kind of cut off. We have had the sheriff's out at her house one time. It's probably not on record because we weren't fighting. We were watching a movie, The Book of Eli, and some lady called St. She had glass breaking and a woman's framing. And they came out and we're like, what are you doing here? And it ended up being kind of a funny story.

And they're like, well, I got to report. This is stupid. But we've never had, you know, like domestic ever. History is reported. And not reported or even things. I mean, we have a funny and weird relationship where we joke about that stuff because we were at Halloween at our friend's house and we were playing this ninja fruit slice with the weed. And I went to slice a thing and I hit her like right in the house.

and she had like a black guy and they're at her friends house and oh my god it's like Halloween 2000 so then because we don't live that lifestyle oh what happened and I'd be like she didn't put the dishes away like I'm making jokes like that um so everybody knows this as being like jokers or something like that but we were never never in the history all right so back in 2011 is that when that incident happened with the week Yeah. Give me a second here. We didn't have kids yet, so I'm trying to know.

Pre-kids. Pre-kids. Pre-kids, and I can't tell you the people of the house that was at. Because there's noise. I've heard about this incident. That's funny. But it wasn't the Wii game. I heard the Wii game was like the cover for it. Those are the people that were actually there.

And that works, and I talked to learn the other. Oh, okay. The fact that Keith is making light of the incident, given the circumstances, will likely stand out to the detective as concerning behavior. It's no laughing matter that someone he knows is claiming that he's covering up abusive behavior. It's possible that he's using humor as a coping mechanism to ease his feelings of discomfort. It's also notable that Keith chooses this moment to remove his jacket. When someone encounters something they deem a threat, such as the abuse accusation,

they may begin to feel hot and exhibit physical symptoms such as claminess or sweating, An innocent person might demand to know who would make such an accusation and insist that the accuser is lying. Keith, however, doesn't seem interested in where the accusation is coming from, which is a possible red flag. But he may not appear concerned because he believes the references he provided can easily confirm his story. As well, it's possible he finds it funny because he's confident in what actually happened. So he thinks it's stupid that someone lied about it. I'm trying not to, in this moment, I don't want to talk about her, but you're kind of, I'm not saying you're forcing me, but I, I want to tell you everything, because I don't.

We're not talking about her. She will, you know, kind of come on me. I'm a hug and hold until you calm now, kind of a guy. So there are people who say that they've heard arguments coming from the house. I'm not saying on a regular bait, just that they've heard, they've heard actual arguments. I would agree with that. Yeah. She gets very vocal loud.

Come in the house, let's not, don't be yelling, because I hate, I hate more than anything, bringing attention to stuff like that. And she's very loud when she gets upset. And I'm more of like, you know, calm down, just calm down, like, calm down. The other thing we heard was the voicemail from Richard. Oh, yeah, that was horrible. That's got on my phone. Yeah, because he called you individually and then her individually?

Wait, wait. Are you talking about a voice? There's a message on. A horrible one from him? Yeah. Richard is Sherry's father. Sherry is said to have had a poor relationship with her parents most of her life, especially with her mother Loretta.

Following Keith's interrogation, we'll dive deeper into her childhood by hearing from people who witnessed it, a few lifelong friends of hers. When Sherry was growing up, her parents did horrible things. When they were kids, they would get them presents on Christmas, and let them open them all, and then take them all back. You say that's what your punishment is, they're not mowing a lot.

Like, they're plurable when it comes to that. But for whatever reason, even all the shit they put them through, she feels the need to keep them in their life. And I'm like, it's your call on it. That's fine. I'll back you. Police records, dating back to 2000 and 2003,

suggest a rocky relationship between Sherry and her family. Alleged altercations include claims that Sherry kicked in a door at the grave home that she made an unauthorized. withdrawal from her parents' bank account. Though these events haven't officially been confirmed to have taken place, the allegations are troublesome. The reason the thing started is it was about a birthday,

our daughter's two-year-a-birthday. And she ran it out like this big hall in Chastelick City, and we made a carnival. We had all these board games, and we had lots of kids. And the parent, they said, oh, we can't make it. We have a boat drag race. And then they got mad at her for scheduling it. Then the dad called, and he's like, how f-dear you, F this, you, blah, blah,

and I mean, you heard it. It was horrible. So she got that sent it to me. So that's how that voicemail got sent. So then she sent some emails, I'm assuming you saw some of those. All right, we got some emails from them. That were horrible. And I'm like, are you fucking these are just ridiculous.

We had, in the very beginning, they don't like talking about, we had a little blit. where she went to, like, a big, like, conference thing and some other state on 18D. And there was, like, a text message. I met this cute guy, and whatever. And I came across this. What the fuck is this?

We got a big fight. I was extremely hurt. We didn't even have kids. I was, I don't know. I don't want to get divorced. You know, she didn't do anything with the guy, but I was like, this is, how the fuck are you doing that? You know, I was like,

super scared and afraid. I was going to get a post natural. So I went out and I got one. She's like, I'll sign whatever. Like, I didn't mean to do this. Whatever. Notice that Keith describes the text message situation

as a little blip. However, the resulting explosive argument clearly suggests otherwise. Keith might have a general tendency of minimizing the issues in his and Sherry's marriage. On the other hand, he might be downplaying their problems to dissuade the detective from looking at him as a suspect in Sherry's disappearance,

or a perpetrator of domestic abuse. He also seems to gloss over how exactly he stumbled across the text messages in Sherry's phone. The fact that Keith read her texts in the first place indicates that there was already some level of distrust in their relationship before that incident. We make up and then we'll never get endorsed. We'll never get endorsed. We're locked tight. We know that we go through these, and a lot of people are getting divorced.

We're not that couple. We're looking for any shred it. Coincidentally, a series of text messages between Sherry and a man by the name of Donovan Misk found their way into the investigation shortly after her disappearance. It seems the two were communicating in the days leading up to Sherry's departure, and even trying to coordinate a time to meet up. In the end, they were unable to establish a feasible plan. Donovan was soon cleared of any involvement

as it was verified by his cell phone records that he'd never made his way to the Reading area as they discussed. The only thing I could think of would be heard a lot of the time. But if there is a computer there and we're trying to find, so we're trying to find the skeleton life.

Everybody's got a personal life, I'm sorry, private life, public life, and skeleton. So is that possibly get that stuff? Is it a baby? The laptop. Yeah, I've really been using the iPad, so I don't want to give that up. Although it may seem odd for Keith to not want to hand over evidence

that could potentially assist police to find Sherry, this doesn't necessarily point to his involvement in his wife's disappearance. However, it does indicate that there might be something on the iPad that he'd rather the police not see. Regardless of the reasoning, an attorney will almost always advise you not to willingly hand over your phone or other devices unless the police have a warrant. Either way, judging by the exasperated face rub, Keith is stressed by the detective's request, something the officer will surely note. What's today's goal? We have people looking. We have people looking for surveillance.

We have people contacting the people who've already been top. So like the tips, people are going and actively working with. So there's, we're a fishnet out there, everybody's doing something. So we don't. No, that's, that's, hard of me when, like,

shot I-fived out for anybody coming and gone. Everybody's doing, everybody's got a piece of this in our agency. Go over there, I'll get that, and I'll just call you later. Yep. Keith wasn't the only one who could offer a look inside Cherry's life.

Police also had several interesting conversations with people close to Sherry. Everyone had something fascinating to say, though some of their claims would sharply contrast Keith's description of his marriage. Did she talk to you about the ins and outs of her life and relationship with Keith? She was never real specific with a lot of things. I mean, I definitely knew that there have been some problems going on for quite a while with them. It was very obvious in her behavior. How could you describe that to me? She would flake, which is something she would never do. You know, big plans with her and she wouldn't show up, or she would give you some lame excuse as to why

she wasn't there later. Has she ever made claims of, like, abuse or anything like that on, like, Keith's behalf to you? No. I hear she gets explosive when she's angry. Yes, I knew her as a kid. She always called her crazy. You know, she was crazy. She was wild.

She was out of control. I'm not surprised, and I kind of feel like I'm the only person who feels like she ran away. But I really do. Has anyone told you that she has a history of running away? Do you guys know that this isn't really out of character for her? You know, she may have had a getaway plan that maybe she never thought of using, and then the day she went missing, I don't know if they got a fire, I don't know, whatever. Maybe it was just she had a mental breakdown and said, I can't do this anymore.

I'm done. And my concern now is this has gotten so big, so fast. She ran away, and now she's decided, I said, I had a mental breakdown, I made a mistake, I want to come home, she can't. Sherry's friend is very insightful here with her response. She is correct. If Sherry left on her own, then it would be very difficult for her to suddenly come back home without facing judgment and repercussions now, as police had become involved. However, there is a key difference between her having run away as a child or teen and what might have happened in this situation. If Sherry staged false evidence to make it look like she was abducted,

she might have felt she couldn't allow it to appear that she left willingly, as that could make her look like a bad parent. If she cared more about what everyone would think of her versus how her family would feel about her being kidnapped, this could suggest she has narcissistic tendencies. So when Sherry and I were growing up 15 years old, she ran away from home, went to San Ramon area, Walnut Creek,

Well, we got back in touch with each other, and she ended up moving down to Orange County and with a boyfriend. She's had lots of boyfriends, lots of men in her life. I do believe when she married Keith, her husband now, she had actually been active with as many men as she was years old. Okay. So, and Keith is aware of that. He knows that.

It was that a problem for him? It was a problem for him, yes. And then he came over and talked to me and said that he had, you know, found out she was talking to an ex-boyfriend via email. And, you know, that really upset him. And he just didn't know why she was doing this type of situation. So there was a history of that. What about, what was like the last year between her and he?

they have seemingly been fairly happy. I mean, but she, you know, has expressed me in the past. I can't tell you for sure in the last year she said it, but if I ever try and leave him, you know, he'll kill me. Sherry's alleged promiscuity prior to marriage, along with instances of her talking to other men while she was married, may be attention-seeking behaviors caused by a personality disorder. An individual with borderline personality disorder may have a pattern of unstable relationships and impulsivity.

They may also demonstrate intense or inappropriate displays of anger. To our knowledge, Sherry was not diagnosed with this disorder. You know, I mean, she even like went down to he will chop me up into little pieces and put me in the backyard. Like that is verbatim out of her mouth. And one of just our questions around the office is, Why she would stay-at-home mom and takes the kids to daycare? She really wanted the kids to be prepared for preschool, for real preschool and kindergarten. And her belief system was that going to a daycare, which Pandora, that's it.

She teaches them. She teaches them numbers and how to count and the ABCs, and they actually do, you know, do work through play. And so she really, when she was just starting to research, she was like, well, why not start now? Why not start early? So that was how she explained it to me. And that's why I don't think this is her doing.

I just, I really strongly feel like she would not leave those babies. So I'm trying to figure out who sure he is as like a person. She was definitely original. She always, she was marched to the beat of her own drums. She never let society dictate. I know when her and Keith first started dating, there was a weekend I'd been up in Reading, visiting, and Sherry and I were out doing something, and she was telling me that Keith had made her, I guess he'd found some of her old journals, and I guess Keith made her throw away all of our old journals because they had mentioned ex-boyfriends. I guess he'd gotten pretty upset over this issue. Do you think that Sherry has the ability to just to walk away? No, there's no way.

Okay. She was so family-orientated. So the tip is that there's a lot of verbal arguments and stuff like that, right? Yeah, and they get very loud. Sometimes it's in the middle of the day. You can hear glass breaking and all sorts of things. If you grew up out there and I heard Keith grew up out there, did you know him while you guys growing up?

He grew up across the street. He's never really been the kind of guy that had a lot of friends because he's just not a nice guy. He puts on a really good show, but she's an app. Police looked into leads like these, all the while expanding their search throughout Shasta County down the length of California and even to other states. The Shasta County Sheriff's Office received theories from everyone regarding Sherry's case, including Facebook detectives, people who saw Sherry in dreams, and a surplus of self-proclaimed psychics. Over 600 tips and leads related to Sherry's disappearance poured into the tip line.

Many feared Keith was behind Sherry's disappearance and implored detectives to take a closer look at him. However, it was eventually deemed that Keith was not responsible for Sherry going missing. He voluntarily took multiple polygraph exams, which didn't indicate deception. Other factors, along with these findings, led authorities to determine Keith wasn't involved in his wife's disappearance, and they focused their efforts elsewhere. Furthermore, police were able to contact the Best Buy where Keith was employed and confirmed that he was indeed at work all day on November 2nd. It should also be clarified that no allegations of abuse by Keith, mental, physical, or otherwise, have ever been proven. In fact, as you'll see, police would find information that could

possibly cast doubt on these allegations later down the road. But for now, detectives were a standstill. None of the hundreds of tips nor any of the information they got from Keith got police any closer to discovering Sherry's whereabouts. Then in the early hours of Thanksgiving Day 2016, something mind-blowing happened. It started around 4.30 a.m. when California Highway Patrol dispatch received several concerning calls reporting a pedestrian on the freeway. These calls have never been released to the public until now. 9-11 emergency. What are you reporting? Why, I'm not to report.

And what do you mean they're in the middle of the highway in a car? Are they standing there? No, standing in the middle. Okay, just be safe where you are. What is she asking for? She's asking for an ambulance. She's chained up her vision, worry, and she needs an ambulance. Do you see her chained up?

Yeah. Can I talk to her? Sherry, I need you to listen to me. Listen to me. Do you know where you are? No. No. Okay.

Sweetie, sweetie, listen. Listen to me. I need you to take a deep breath. Calm down and listen to what I'm saying. I have an officer en route. We've had several calls. Are you chained up? Yes.

Yes. Okay. Take a deep breath, sweetie. Who chained you up? Do you know the person or were you kidnapped? Listen to what I'm out. Listen to what I'm out. Sherry, take a deep breath because it's hard to help you if I can't understand you, okay?

How did you get chained up? What happened? Who took you? Do you know? Okay. Okay, listen. Listen, I have help on the way. I want to call my husband.

Okay, listen, listen, listen, take a deep breath. Where were you taken from? From Reading. You were taken from Reading? I was in Reading. Okay. How did someone take you? Okay.

Sherry. We will get help with you and we will get your husband, but right now I need you to help me help you. Do you know how someone took you? How did they get you out from Reading? Ma'am, right now I need you to get me information so I can help you. We will get in touch with your husband as well, right? ambulance. Okay, I have officers and I have ambulance on the way. Right now, I need you to talk to me. I want to go to my husband. I want to go my husband. The young wife and mother who'd vanished 22 days earlier

seemed to appear out of thin air onto the shoulder of Interstate 5. When she was found, she looked malnourished, and her wrists and ankles were bound with a mix of zip ties and would appear to be hose clamps. Around her waist was a thick metal chain held together by a padlock. Police arrived and she was transported from the side of the highway to a nearby hospital to be medically assessed. Official police records indicate that Sherry was reluctant to speak with authorities at the time of her rescue. One detective stated that she seemed irritated by the questions he presented to her. However, Keith encouraged her to provide what information she could in order to aid in the investigation. It was also noted that Sherry told her responding officer she'd managed to escape.

while she claimed to investigators that her captors had released her. To add further confusion, Sherry stated to Keith that she should have just ran. If she had, in fact, been chained up, however, this clearly wouldn't have been an option. In addition, Sherry told Keith that initially the truck driver who'd pulled over to provide her with assistance had frightened her. She feared she was about to have to fight him off. Perhaps her strangest comments were in regards to the outcomes of, of the recent presidential election and World Series Championship. After all she'd been through, it seems these items should have been the least of her concerns.

Here we have a first look at the real photos of Sherry's injuries taken by police, some of which are stomach churning and may be disturbing to some viewers. When she arrived at the hospital, doctors found a large hive-like rash covering her left arm. All manner of bruises, old, new, large and small. across most of her body, a number of bruises on her face. Her lips were cracked, her nose was broken, and there was a deep hole in her left forearm caused by a burn. Most horrifically, she'd been freshly but shoddily branded on her back with a Bible verse by some heated tool. She would allege that her captors had told her she was going to be sold to a police officer

who would like the Exodus branding that had been applied to her shoulder. Perhaps this was the explanation as to why she was reluctant to speak with law enforcement upon her rescue. Overall, though disturbing, her injuries weren't life-threatening. Police, of course, had to ask her the question that everyone wanted to know. Where had Sherry been for the last 22 days? What she told them was completely unexpected. She reported to police that she had been kidnapped while running by two Spanish-speaking women who tortured her, barely fed her, and kept her chained in a closet inside their home. She also mentioned being transported by her captors in a dark vehicle, the make and model of which she didn't know. Sherry discussed her injuries and elements with the

hospital staff, including the doctor who was tasked with assessing her condition upon her arrival. Sometimes if you are left and closed for a while, you get kind of a heat rash here. And that's what that kind of looks like. He explained the likely cause of the rash she'd sustained. According to Sherry, the women behind her imprisonment even made her wear an adult diaper. But that's the most detectives would get from Sherry that day. Sherry was bandaged up and returned home to her family. Meanwhile, the sheriff's office was a buzz, now convinced that they were.

were now on the hunt for the two violent female abductors on the loose in California. Four days later, detectives visited Sherry's residents to gather more from her about exactly where she'd been for the last three weeks. Just ask you to tell us your information whenever we get going, and you just tell us everything as you want, and as we go,

we'll ask some questions, clarify some stuff, and hopefully by the end of today, we have a very good idea of what's going on. I mean, so it's, like I said, you're in control. You need to take a break. Same wind and we'll go out here and all that kind of stuff, okay? I feel like sometimes it's easier with my eyes closed.

Is that okay? Absolutely. You can do anything you want other than assault me or hit Kyle. You can hit Kyle all you want. I'm good with that. Just don't hit me. Notice right off the bat how Sherry is sitting, very childlike, with her arms wrapped around her legs. She's exhibiting a lot of self-soothing yet juvenile behavior.

It's very interesting that Sherry would ask to give her account with her eyes shut. When someone shields their face or eyes during a conversation, as Sherry has just requested permission to do, this is a blocking behavior that is typically considered evasive, and it can indicate that the topic is uncomfortable or distressing to them. Alternatively, it can also be a sign that they aren't confident in what they're saying, or even that they're lying. However, everyone handles trauma differently,

And detectives must be mindful that a victim's individual needs are considered. Also, my skin is still very itchy everywhere, so I apologize. Everything is itchy all everywhere. Sherry's alleged itchiness could potentially be her way of preemptively explaining future self-soothing behaviors she may soon be exhibiting. Where would you like to start? I have no. Okay, so on November 2nd, 2016, what happened? Did my usual routine, fed the chickens, clean the house, clean everything, just the usual.

Note her repetition of the word usual. She uses it to describe everything that was going on that day. By repeating that everything was usual, it keeps her from having to come up with details about what she actually. actually did that morning. Yeah, text message to my husband. To come home for lunch, which, you know, looking back, is quite embarrassing. He's like, thanks for, you know, that last text message. Honey, please come home to have your wife at the time.

So you went to daycare that morning, right? Did you remember that? Okay. Tell me what you drive to daycare. No, ordinary. Just the normal. Yeah, absolutely. Just the normal.

Got the kids' breakfast. Dropped him up at Pandora's. Nothing unusual. It wasn't even a hard-to-buy. Sometimes they're like, no, don't leave me. And then when you left daycare, tell me about what you did after daycare. Going back home. Okay.

Did my usual. I'm not my shoes. One after the chicken coop. Clean cook. and then just started my usual cleaning everything and for that present, got frustrated,

changed into running clothes. I love so much that my husband knows my clothing so well that you knew what I was wearing. What were you wearing? I was wearing that pink Nike hooded sweatshirt

with the thumbholes that I hate and the black, tight, I don't want to say their leggings, because they're a little thicker than that, the black tight, stripy, not really stripy, just kind of black and white speckled, we'll say. I want to be a better runner. I like to run, but it's difficult for me. So, like getting back in the swing of it,

I had an app that I would use that does, you know, run this far walk, run this far walk, and it amps you up to like a 5K. Started running. Saw the two, maybe there was three. Guys cutting the tree and what's his name's house, the guy that did our, Toby, thank you. Toby's house from, okay, so down Kasa, turned right onto sunrise. got to the mailboxes, or just before the mailboxes started to slow down, I was just about to transition into walk.

So it's run, walk, run, walk. Right when I got towards the mailboxes, it was right before it was going to say, you know, slow down the app does. We've listened to the app. It's pretty powerful. Now, walk. You're halfway through. You're doing good.

So it's a funny app. Sherry appears to want to be liked by the officers and seems to be trying to form a connection with them, which isn't necessarily unusual. She keeps her eyes locked on one of the detectives as she gives a dramatic replay of her running app. However, she's showing signs of classic rapport building techniques done by narcissistic individuals.

She presents herself as likable and someone in need of protection by highlighting her imperfections, along with a lot of sustained eye contact and dramatic focus. So you get almost to the mailboxes and you're things. Sorry, my lips are like cracking and... Do you need some water? No.

Now everything's like this. So you're about... You're all right here, sorry. You're good. You're about to the mailboxes. About to the mailboxes. And these are the mailboxes near... At the end of the Sun Traces Drive.

My mailbox. Sherry is exhibiting an array of grooving behaviors, further indicating the anxiety she's feeling. The exact reasons behind this discomfort are not yet known, but will soon be uncovered. Keith places a water bottle near Sherry after she mentions that her lips are dry. It's impossible to know his intentions at this moment, but it could be a genuine act of care, or the affectation of a model husband for the detectives. Before the mailboxes, I start to slow down. I see a vehicle go past,

I see a vehicle go past sunrise drive to maybe like the front two tires are past the actual straight sign and then it backs up. And I immediately have that feeling of, that was weird. You're doing good, Sherry. The window goes down, but it was a woman, and they back up.

Traumatic memories are often difficult to recall and talk about. This is sometimes a result of dissociative amnesia, or the brain's proclivity to block out certain memories that it deems too distressing. This occurrence is a product of survival instinct and serves as a protective mechanism that can help the individual cope after a traumatic event. However, note that as Sherry started to talk about being kidnapped, her lips disappeared. This indicates that someone is experiencing a negative emotion. Disappearing lips does not always mean someone is being deceptive.

It just suggests that they're likely feeling anxious. It's frustrating because I know she was wearing a hat, but I can't see the color, and I can't see her clothes. Once again, we see Sherry exhibiting blocking behavior, and she buries her face and her knees. Let's just worry. Let's talk about the big details. I'll make a note. He asked for help. I want to say it's maybe like a hang or something to get my attention. Is that the passenger or the driver? Is the car on sunrise right now, or is it still on Old Oregon Trail? It's on Old Oregon Trail. I walked towards where the vehicle had backed up, but was still far enough away from it because I was still cautious.

I had my phone in my right hand and my earbuds on, and I took out my left to hear her, and then she opened the door. And then I saw the small revolver. and I immediately ducked down. I crouched down. Like in a ducking, crouching. Okay, so cross the road. Bones in my hand, earbud out. As she describes her story, Sherry acts out certain details wrong.

She's repeatedly said it was her left earbud she pulled out, but consistently acts out reaching for her right ear. It doesn't seem like a huge deal, but when a lot of these mismatches show up, detectives will become rightfully suspicious. Towards the vehicle, this. Not all the way down, squatting. Not crotching, squatting.

Layed my phone down. Perhaps in an effort to remember the details of her head, harrowing story, Sherry jotted down some notes that were later found during the course of the investigation. They included information about the alleged captors. The smaller, younger one had longer curly hair, no bangs, and hairy arms. The bigger, older one had straight, thick dark black hair and thick eyebrows. I can't remember if she said, we don't want to hurt you, we don't want to kill you. I can't remember exactly if it's, we don't want to something. We don't want to. something I don't want to.

And then... Do you want to come back up to the table? And then I got up and went this direction. And I can't remember... I can't remember lifting my leg. I can't remember the back door open. Sometimes your brain says, we're not access in that part right now because it's not time. We're not ready for it. So I've done it in the past with different cases where you...

where you look at it from a different point of view, okay? Because your mind, your body, uses different parts of your brain to access different pieces of information. Believe it or not, that's what happens. Going back to before you see the car, if there was a bird, a bluebird, a robin, whatever birds you pick, sitting on the fence line,

sitting on the mailbox, sitting on the telephone line, or sitting in the tree, can you imagine in your mind looking at from the bluebird's perspective. What does that bluebird seem going on? Running to the mailboxes, cutting diagonally, I didn't cut diagonally until the car, because the car, the vehicle stopped,

backed up, and then stopped again. I stopped at the grassy area, squatted, pulled out my hair, had my hand, up that is it. Does the Bluebird see which side of the car you got in on? I, well, the car didn't move after it stopped, so I would, that would say that would be the passenger side.

But you don't know. I don't remember. It seems that the basis of this trauma-informed technique is having the victim talk from the outside without engaging the emotions of the first-person perspective. This makes recounting the event easier and less traumatic. Does the bluebird see which way the car goes? But what's the car do next? Yeah. It wasn't what I saw.

It was what I felt. I was very nauseous. Okay. And cold. Is the vehicle moving or stationary? Vehicle is moving. It was windy. Okay.

Windy roads make me nauseous. Do you remember getting out of the car? No. You had an observation or thought that the back window in the vehicle was large? Long. Yes. Describe. What do you mean by that?

I mean, it's one of those, duh, Brian, describe that for me. Not like a truck bed that's covered, like a SUV. Okay. But some SUVs are like shorter. Right. It was longer. You're talking about from side to side. Yes.

You're talking about the back. Or if it is. Not the passenger door window. There's another window past the passenger door window. You and I are looking out sunrise to Old Oregon Trail. Was the vehicle going this way? Yep. And then backed up.

And then it backed up. So right now I'm pointing, that's northbound, and it backed up a little bit, then that's when you encounter. Northbound's the side that's closest to Sunrise Drive, correct? Correct. Yes, then that's it. I'm very frustrated because if you're laying down in the vehicle, you would feel a U-turn, a acceleration, a breaking. And I just can't, I can't find that.

It's just not there yet. Do you remember any music as you were trying? Yes, mariachi music. Was it a station or? Like as in a radio station, I want to say it was probably a radio station. I can't be sure, but did I hear any Pandora commercials? No. Did you hear any normal commercials?

So if we're listening to our radio? No, I didn't hear commercials. I didn't hear it. And I don't think I ever heard a complete song from start to finish either. When she's describing this kidnapping event, she goes into a bit of a trans. She turns inward to imagine the scene, and it's like she's telling a story. She doesn't really want to be interrupted. She's very detailed about the run, the phone, and soon the room she was kept in.

But there are almost no details about the car, the kidnappers, or the kidnapping itself. She has what is known as a detail valley surrounding the kidnapping itself, mountains of details surrounding it, but very limited about the actual kidnapping. I listened for that a lot in the house, too. Like, was this a radio? Was it, or was it Pandora? Since we've touched it twice, you mentioned the house, twice, or location, why you remember, can we talk about that? Strong with you?

What, would you like, the description of the room? Sure. The sounds that I heard, would you like what I think was there? What would you like? What was the first thing you remember? The first thing I remember was the zip ties on my hands. And then the clothing that was very big. It was baggy clothing.

It was sweatpants and a sweatshirt. And I did not have. have socks and I was very cold and there was zip ties on my hands and I didn't feel good. I couldn't stand up. I was very dizzy. When you first had this in the sweatshirt stuff, is that the same step that you were found in the other day? No.

How so? Because they would change me. Okay. This conflicts with Sherry's story upon arrival at the hospital. You likely recall the recorded conversation between Sherry and the attending doctor. Sometimes if you are left in close for a while, you get kind of a heat rash here. And that's what that kind of looks like. How long is it?

It's everywhere. It's everywhere. Okay. Were you in the same clothes for a long period of time without bathing? Okay. That's probably what's going on there. because there was a drawstring on the sweatpants. There was a drawstring on the sweatpants,

and the other one didn't have a drawstring. How many times do you think you were changed? Or I'd have changed clothes? I'll say at least twice. Yeah, I think maybe one more time. Did it seem like the clothes were new? Wait a minute. Okay.

The sweatshirt, the top, the top was changed. more because I was trying to manipulate her. My skin was really, my skin was like on fire. It was really itchy everywhere and I started this rash that's up in here. This, it was starting to like swell, starting to swell so bad that it was like putting pressure on my arm. So I was trying to manipulate them. I need some kind of medicine, like look at my skin,

at my skin, you need to wash me, you need to give me medicine, you need to get me something. And I was using that and it was so... So they would argue about washing my clothes. And I was able to take two, I want to say two showers. Come around if you call them a shower. It was getting water down your back and get out. but she let me wash my underpants in the shower. Were you able to see at that time, or were you still had a bag of...

No, I could see. And that was when I was trying, you know, it was always look down. Don't look at us, look down. I was never allowed to look up. The first day, the first day with the zip ties, getting out of them because they were behind my back. So I pulled them, I did one of these moves. And that's what this scar right there is from is the very beginning when I got them off.

And I bit them because I couldn't, because Keith and I have even tried this move before the whole, you know, like power through it and bust it. And I tried that and was unsuccessful. And it cut right here and I was like, I was like, I don't. remember doing this with Keith. How the F do I get these off? And I tried that several times and I tried the power bust it down and that's where it cut in right there. And then I was like, I can't bust through them. So then I just chewed it off and I cut my lip right here and then I busted them. And then it was like I tried the door. I could tell that the door had a deadbolt at the top. So I couldn't open the door. And then they came in. And that's all I remember from that experience.

No, there's something else. There's something else before I tried the door. There was something else before I tried the door. The windows? Sherry appears to remember some details vividly, such as how exactly she got a scar on her wrist from the zip ties. However, she's unable to recall other details, like any physical description of her kidnappers.

when the person being interviewed appears to have a memory of extremes, meaning they either have an unusually good memory of events that happened months ago, or they can't remember recent events, it can be a possible red flag for deception. After I broke the zip ties, there was boards on the windows, and I yanked that fucker out of the wall super quick, and that's what got her in the room was that noise. She came in, and then it was lights out.

What do you mean it was like, don't? I can't remember if it was, if I was hit with something, if I was stuck with something, if it, and that's what I was asking too, if I was tased, wouldn't I remember? Or would there be a scar? Would there be a mark? Would there be a mark? It just depends if the probes made skin contact. About the bathroom. What's that look like? Hey? I tried to hit her with something in the bathroom and then the next time when in the bathroom, everything was gone.

The mirror was gone. The cellaract was gone. And you could hear, like if you put your head to the wall, because I did that often, you could hear very easily. And the insulation, it was freezing all the time. It was cold all the time. And there was a fireplace. I could smell the fireplace,

and I could hear that creaky, when you move the handle to open the fireplace. It was that creaky. A minute ago, you said when I was on the cable, were you tethered to a cable? There was a chain around my waist. The cable I could reach all the way to the bed. Couldn't reach the door. Couldn't reach the window.

At all times, there was a bucket in the closet. That's what I used to go into the bathroom in. There was a dresser, but after I ripped this up when I woke up, it was no longer there. What was the dress of the first day you were there? Here. Was it tall, like a man's dresser, like a short, long, little, woman's dresser? Two dark-covered two drawers. Okay, so it's more like nightstands.

Yeah, I like that, I would say. One, not two, just one. Was the mattress directly on the floor? Yes. Okay. Do you remember anything in this area? No. Was the cable affixed to the wall and like the cable was loose?

The cable was affixed to a pole that went up into the ceiling. Okay. So we have this pole that was anchored to the roof somewhere. Correct. What was on the pole? The shelves that I couldn't get out. They were like super bolted in. Like they'd added more stuff to it to not get them.

Because I, the first day when I broke my finger, nails, it was trying to get the screws, trying to undo the screws. And that was like on these sides? Yes, and trying to get to where the drywall was because there was dry wall. But I couldn't. And trying to move that pole, but I couldn't move the pole. The pole, too, it wasn't just like a pole. It was like, almost.

Not quite rebar. It was, okay, so think of. If you had a screw that was big and long and you tried to grab it, it would like cut your fingers almost. Is that making any sense? A lag bolt? I don't know what that is. It's a big screw. You described it a lag bolt.

It's a large wood screw that kind of similar to like rebar, but it's for... Yeah, it wasn't very thick. It wasn't like I could grab it with both hands. It wasn't thick enough that I had to do this. It was... You put it in your hands. Yes. But I couldn't grab it.

Like, that's, the first injuries that I had was trying to rip the stupid thing out. And I made my hands move a lot. It wouldn't give, it wouldn't give it all. Does it go through the shelf? Yes. Okay. So if this is the shelf? That's, if I could have gotten the shelf off, I could have gotten out because I could have pulled the cable just straight off of it.

When Sherry slams her hands down on the table for emphasis, the emphasis is severely delayed, indicating a mismatch between her thoughts and her speech. It's possible that she has so many things going on in her mind as she's remembering this traumatic event that she can't keep up. However, it's also possible that Sherry is being deceptive about her attempts to escape. It was the shelf that I couldn't get off. Since the interview had been going on for a few hours at that point,

it was agreed that they would call it a day and let Sherry rest. Detectives returned to her residence the following morning to continue the questioning. But as far as getting started today, I don't know if yesterday jogged some more memories or if there's things you want to add. But basically, we can just start with another I have a note here that we never touched the topic of your hair being cut. That's something we can talk about now. I'm not sure what led up to it.

But the cable that was where the cable was attached at the top, anytime you made a movement or moved it, it made a really loud noise. So when I would make noise, they would rush in to the room. I think that's why. I don't think there was anything else because there wasn't anything in the time. trash can. So it was, I don't feel like it was time for that, maybe. I want to say it was just because there was a noise. They said something in Spanish to each other. The other one was outside the room. I was hit here on the shoulder. And then it was a yank backwards. It was a yank backwards. I feel like it happened really fast. But...

Not. I don't know. That's wrong. One thing to keep in mind while you listen to Sherry's story is that deceptive statements tend to contain fewer unique words and more repeating words than truthful statements. Yank backwards. When you lie well, you tend to rely on prefabricated statements that are borrowed from previous stories of your experiences or things you've seen. That way you sound more natural and believable. I was down, she was over me, had it in her hand, and then I felt it here.

Like I felt like that, that blunt edge, because she had, like she had cut it above my hair tie. Felt it here, and she said, I'm going to send it to your mother, or I'm going to send this to your mother. I'm going to send it to your mother. I can't remember exactly, but I'm going to, to your mother.

When she was cutting it, it was very upsetting. And then she said that, and I kind of went, and it was one of those moments where it was emotional for me that she was cutting my hair. And I feel like her saying that almost pulled me back into survival mode, I guess. It also made me feel like she didn't know me. Keith presses onto his face, referred to as facial distortion, then keeps his hand over his face for a second. These are typically signs of discomfort. Perhaps he's feeling unsettled at the description of his wife's torture,

but there is an alternative theory that maybe he's caught onto something peculiar in his wife's story. Sherry goes from having a hard time remembering the circumstances of having her hair cut to suddenly reciting nearly word for word what was said to her. She described having her hair forcibly chopped as a highly memorable event, as it might be for anyone. Thus, it's quite unusual that Sherry would have difficulties recounting it. These mental blackouts seem to be following a particular pattern that'll be of interest to detectives later down the road. As well, she's steepling her hands as she speaks here, which is an indication that talking about this part of cutting her hair makes her feel in control, perhaps because it's something she's comfortable sharing the details about.

Do you recall what they used to cut your hair? I didn't see anything. I never saw anything. Do you hear any sounds? Like, like the scissors would make? Yeah. And if you don't know, if you can't think about it. I can't, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't remember exactly,

whether it was like a sniffing sound or just that, I can't remember exactly. Okay. Did either, let's say, during, there any of the environment towards you was there any time

that one of the females would try to stop the other yes the younger one

I feel like I could because I couldn't understand her but I feel like her body language

was the pointing in very or this this is a you know body language

wise it doesn't matter what language you speak I mean because I was never allowed to look them in the face, but I did see this signal with her hand facing that way, which is stop, obviously. But I feel like the bigger one enjoyed it and the little one did not.

Does that make any sense? Absolutely. Yeah, I definitely, the things like the burn, cutting my hair, the burn on my arm, the chain, the lock, that was all from the bigger one. It was not from the little one. The little one would feed me most often. It's difficult to conclude Keith's thoughts from his body language, especially since it's unclear whether he's heard any of this from Sherry before in private.

However, he seems somewhat tuned out from the conversation, having been zoned out on his phone several times through the interview. A more typical response would be to look at Sherry and be fully full of, engaged in the interview process, or even demonstrate support in this extremely painful moment by setting closer to her or patting her back. Keith's emotional disconnection could possibly be the result of antisocial or narcissistic traits. Or perhaps these details are simply painful for him to hear as they're reflective of the idea that he couldn't protect her, and so he's distracting himself from listening closely.

What'd you eat? or what they give you to eat? What's it called again, Dave? I keep forgetting me like that. Cream of wheat. But it was like dry, like barely mixed. And rice, tortillas. One day I got two apples, a cracker.

Sometimes it was like scraps, like the fat off of a piece of meat or something. Like they had just scraped it off of a plate. Did you eat regularly or just sporadically? Did they bring you food? Was it? No, it was maybe once a day, but it was hard because I feel like every time I would somewhat get on a routine to exercise my mind. This is the time of the day because my body was starting to get hungry at the same time. I was always hungry, but like I would exercise at the same time.

I would try to get a routine down. It would change. as soon as I feel like maybe see it's hard because I feel like sometimes I felt like it was the next day but then it could have been the same day or it felt like a day had gone by but then it didn't

because I would wake up at different times and I would fall asleep at different times I don't think it was more than once a day you said you exercised your mind but what were you doing it seemed so amazing to read the books I've read to my children. I had the random jingles he would sing in our kitchen.

If Keith was here, what would he do? If Keith was here, what would he do? Do you know how you received most of those injuries on your legs? No, but even originally before then, I bruise really easily. So it could, I mean, it could have even been something that I possibly could have done. There's a lot of hitting with something. I didn't like being in the closet. It was a lot of shoving around the closet area.

Do you remember specifically being kicked? I'm sorry. The fire popped in him. Kicked? Yes. This is a good example of Keith's remarkable reactions, or lack thereof. The entire time he's listening to his. his wife described being assaulted, he shows no change of facial expression, no shifting in his seat to indicate discomfort, nothing at all. In fact, throughout the majority of her story,

Keith comes across as almost bored. Again, it's possible he's been desensitized to this information after hearing it multiple times, though that theory is unlikely. Even if that were the case, it's still unusual that he doesn't show any sort of response to what he's hearing. A profound lack of empathy on his part, or a healthy bit of skepticism. I don't remember if we did or didn't talk about your nose and how that occurred. I was woken up by it, and I can't remember if it was like this or if it was like that, but I was woken up by it. So you were sleeping?

Correct, on the bed. I was told to change. There was already clothing on the bed. I felt so dizzy. My ears were ringing. When I tried to put the sweatpants on, I fell over. I'm obviously assuming it was bleeding. How did you clean that up?

It didn't bleed very much. Didn't bleed. Yeah, it really didn't bleed very much. Did any of that end up on the wall or on the floor? I would assume so. it had to have been on the floor because I set the sweater down. It wasn't profusively bleeding, so I wouldn't say that it was drifting onto the floor.

I'm going to go through a list of some things, and it's going to require hearing. So however you want to access that part of your brain, usually when I try to hear something, I close my eyes. Okay. Yes, no's. I don't know. They're all fine answers.

Okay. Farm animals? No. Equipment? Department? No. Buses? No.

Train? No. Telephone? No. Now that you're listening, do you recall any other sounds that I haven't? The fireplace, the creek, the flushing of a toilet, the TV. It's interesting to note here that Cherry only uses larger illustrators as she's briefly describing the area where she was released. People typically use illustrators while they're

talking, so it's actually a red flag that Sherry is so reserved with her body language. She remains bald up and with her hands in most of the time. This lack of movement is most often seen in individuals who are being deceptive as their brain is an overdrive attending to their made-up story. The cognitive overload restricts their body from engaging fully with what they're saying. I have a sound to ask about. Go ahead. Long-distance gunshots, like shotguns from people bird hunting. Have you ever heard, do you know what sound in there for you're hearing to?

No, yes, I happen, no. School bells? No. I could hear the wood being brought in. I know that sounds, the clink of, like, stacking wood. But never a chainsaw, an axe. It stands out as odd that Sherry didn't hear any remarkable noises in the 22 days she was in solitary confinement, especially given that she was reportedly inside a room with an exterior-facing wall.

With nothing to distract her, she would have been hyper aware of her senses and particularly sensitive to noises. Also, the speed with which she's declining each prompt has an air of dismissiveness. She's taking little to no time to think back on the proposed sounds. Up to this point, Sherry realistically has revealed little to no information that can narrow down the search for her kidnappers. But the detectives very patiently carry on. Do you any part in time? No. I did on the last day.

That's scary. What do you mean? On the road. Near when I was trying to go to the... Talk about it. I'm sorry? Let's talk about it. I interrupted you and talked over you and didn't hear you.

Sorry. Let's talk about that. Since it's there in my mind. The marking dog was when I was trying to figure out how to get into, can I ask you, what was that? Is it a shipping yard? Is it a junkyard? What was that fenced in area next to the freeway? Well, there's two.

There's like a lumber yard and there's like a propane yard. Okay, there was a, I want to say, like a modular type of house or like an office would have been like an office building. Was it on the same side of the freeway as the church from the other side of the opposite side? What was that? Propane both. Okay, that's where I was trying to you. But I couldn't and then heard a dog barking.

There was a house I went near the house. I stood in front of the house. Looked at the house and went, no. It was very dark. Once you try to find help in that area, what did you do that? There was that creepy house that I left. I went to the fenced area. The entire time I was trying to get the zip tie off.

I couldn't reach it with my mouth, so I was trying to, I don't know what this was called. I was trying to use that. I was planned? Thank you, to get that off. ran on top of the freeway. It was very difficult because my feet were very cold. My ankles were very wobbly. I was very dizzy.

I was very, I'm going to say short of breath, but short of breath from the screaming. And then ran downward. and the on ramp, off ramp, there was a truck part with no lights on. It's like a big rig? Yes, and I stood there and stared at the big rig and thought, there's probably someone inside there. I don't think I want to go on that door.

And then I saw the lights. No, that's not right. I saw the lights to the church before I saw that truck. I even walked out into the middle of the freeway, and cars drove around me, like literally drove around me. And then I started screaming, call 911, call 911. So talking to Kyle, that there was some, as you recall when you were dropped off in that area? I'm trying to remember whether the car pulled over or spun around. I don't remember feeling any of that.

I remember feeling and hearing the click, the clipping, and then get out, and falling out of the vehicle. I don't remember if she touched me, if she grabbed me, if she pulled me. I remember falling. It didn't feel great. So one of your hands is free, and I remember it at your right hand, Correct. How did that be come through?

There was a clipping noise. I'm not sure. I'm trying to think if there was the table. I didn't hear like the clicking noise that like handcuffs would make, certainly. I feel like it may have been another cable here, under here. So how long was your hands to your waist? Was that something new? Oh, that was new.

You mean the zip tie? Yeah, so zip tie. This was new. I don't remember this being put on. I've been searching my brain for that. I don't remember the metal pieces being put on, and that is very frustrating, because that's something that I should remember.

So I have a picture of your legs that I want to show you. I want to see if you recall being kicked or stomped. I'm looking at your right shin area. When needing to lean in closer to the detectives, Sherry engages in a significant amount of shifting her clothes and other grooming behaviors. In addition, her blinking rate increases. Nervousness often triggers a heightened level of physiological arousal,

which can manifest as fidgeting or other subconscious behaviors. Blinking excessively might be a result of this heightened state. Blinking helps to keep the surface of the eye moist and lubricated. When you're nervous, your body's stress response can cause changes in tear production and evaporation rates. Blinking more frequently can help to replenish the tear film. and maintain eye comfort. Can you remember anything about being injured their specific thing in this area here on your shun?

Not specifically, no. I feel like every interaction, something's hurt. Gotcha. So you do recall being kicked or stopped on? Hits with objects kicked, stomped on, yes. Slash, punched, whatever? Yes. Never slapped.

Okay. I feel like I have a good enough sense on how, the brand occurred. So I don't need a whole, I don't need to play by play. I just have a couple questions if you're okay with that. Yes. Let's get it over with. So obviously there's each lettering to it.

Was it all at once or was it several different? It was separate. It was a long page. And was that in one one extended time period or was it over multiple days? It's all done. In one extended time.

And I know that the older one did it, essentially. What was the younger one doing specifically at that time? She was to the right. I feel like she was the one touching the, I want to say tools or something. She was the one handling. Could you hear it or could you see the tool? I couldn't see it because it was behind me

where my head was on the table I couldn't you know that's not really an angle where I could see it I can't remember I'm just trying to remember was there clicking was there I remember the sound

I give me some you something I'll give you a pen like that kind of sound the setting down I know this is redundant but I will paraphrase so you can just say yes or not or say no Brian or wrong

is that having talked with you the last two days haven't spoke with Keith through Kyle and all that kind of stuff from the day that you left until the day that you were only at one location to the best of your knowledge

from the time that you got picked up to the time of the time you were released. Oh, yes. Because that yes answer is about 50 tips. I've got to close up. Because you've been seen in Nebraska. Oh, God.

You've been seen in Reno. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm cleaning up a lot of that crap. Because I have to address each tip, one way or the other. There was only two car rides. A car right in and a car right out. Thank you much for that. To the best of your knowledge.

To the best of my knowledge, yes. to the additionally and to the best right now you don't recall to go you don't recall you physically going in to a store of any kind you don't recall ever being in the back of a pickup truck and that's stupid brian you're annoying the shan's okay but it's not this isn't me i'm addressing the masses the detective isn't phrasing these questions in the most optimal way By beginning the questions with, you don't recall, he's using an unnecessary memory modifier, which effectively weakens the inquiry. Refraising the question to be more direct, such as asking, did you physically go into a store, would generally yield a more meaningful answer. When you physically left that residence were building the most you were in, and you got outside to the steps, you went through a doorway.

To the left. To the doorways. To my knowledge. Went out of the doorway and stumbled down to the stairs, and then I want to say I'm leaning towards turning left. Okay. Was the door swinging inward or outward? I don't know. The blog that surfaced from a while back about the Hispanics and some thoughts or comments that people are spinning up.

Can we clarify some of that stuff? Yes, and it's awful because. there's so much that my family is going through and it's my life wasn't perfect before this it's just an awful feeling that all the all all of everything and the made-up things it's just a disgusting yucky feeling of what it's doing to my family well is your things that will tell we can put in the bed that we can resolve on it, regardless to how long this case goes,

you get people in custody, it's going to resurface it, so the best way to deal with it is to deal with it on the front hand, officially. So that way we can put it to bed. Obviously, people are drawing the conclusions that you're reporting to Hispanics did this. You wrote some, I'm assuming, did you write the blog?

No. How did the blog get written and posted under your name? I have any idea. No, I have no idea. This is the blog post that detectives referring to. The author of the report is cited as Sherry Graff, Sherry's maiden name. It was a page-long report published to a website where a girl growing up in Shasta Lake, California, the same place Sherry grew up, describes being constantly harassed and bullied by Hispanic kids for being drug-free, white, and proud of her blood and heritage.

The author recounts the night at one of her volleyball games where a group of Latina. girls threw ice and made Hitler salutes at her father. When the author confronted the girls, one supposedly attacked her, and the author proceeded to beat her up badly, breaking her nose and splitting her eyebrow. Weeks later, the author was closing down her family's business for the day when three Latino guys and five girls rushed in and jumped her, including the girl she'd beaten up weeks prior. However, the author fought back valiantly until eventually the attackers saw they couldn't defeat her, so they all suddenly ran out the door. The courageous tail ends with the author limping nine blocks home with a fractured leg,

but living to fight another day, one can clearly see how this might raise suspicion given the circumstances of Sherry's kidnapping. However, Sherry seems to have a simple enough explanation. It wasn't her. But the post, obviously, it's showing up on this skinhead website, cute. But it Didn't people say my head's shaved now too? I don't.

Sorry. I can't hear all the noise. But it originates from a MySpace account. We call them Bloss now, but it's not. It originates from a MySpace account. Have you ever had a MySpace account? I think I can remember. I mean, that's...

It's old school. Yeah. I mean, I had a... Even the Facebook page that I had was for a very short period of time. It's not for a very long period of time. Prior to all this stuff, have you guys ever seen that block before? Have I ever heard of it? You just want to referring to, right?

The one about the... I never behind that, give her shit. I've seen something similar to that. The one that is out there now, no. When we had found it, I contacted. to the lawyer about getting it removed. And they had discussed, you know, this is... Finding out who created it.

Yes. This needs to be removed. It's obviously not me. And he couldn't get anywhere with it, with getting it removed. So the keep blocking article, that's the one that's been focused in recently, that is similar to a past thing that you guys dealt with. Correct. And then this past one, there's a picture of what?

There's a photo of her when she's very, very young. And it's like she's looking up in the air. It was like a picture from like the youth conferences, like the church youth conferences that used to do and stuff. But it is a true picture, not something that somebody manipulative. It's an old picture, but somebody obviously got to hold up. like from like my websites from the church stuff that I used to do. It was like almost like a, I don't want to say a group photo,

but it was from a motion that I had participated in. Bottom line, it's even more all louder now, it appears. I don't remember it. Well, people are trying to spin it off as this is the catalyst for what happened to. No, and I'm trying to show that. I mean, a week before that, it was, I did it for the money, I think. I'll address this. Thank you.

So I. We're probably here. Remember yesterday we talked about some things that were going to be hard. Yeah. And you're going to irritate them? And that's where this is hard for me because... I should not have to deal with all this dumb thing. So it's 500 tips.

Yeah. You know what? I wasn't a perfect person before this. And that's... But what do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? I skipped school and, you know, did... Yeah, did dumb kid stuff.

And I had a really, really... Really... Relationship with my parents, excuse me, vulgar language, and I lived at the Heart Center for a long time. I stayed in my high school gym at sometimes. I mean, it... The interview came to a close and armed with information from the victim herself, an army of federal and state agents officially commenced the search for the pair of kidnappers. Everyone waited eagerly for a conclusion to this story, but for four whole years, authorities would make no important. discoveries. They were only able to pick up bits and pieces of relevant information, such as this

surveillance video taken from a Kingdom Hall, which sat in the area where Sherry had been released by her captors. In this eerie footage, we see Sherry creep into the left side of the frame, just minutes after being let go. She appears to be looking around in a desperate attempt to get her bearings. Then she runs across the parking lot and into the darkness, disappearing out of sight. Over the years that the investigation was active, the Papinis regularly stayed in communication with the sheriff's office. Sherry received $30,000 in victim compensation funds from the California government for psychiatric care. And with the love and support of family and friends, she was able to re-assimilate back into normal life after her ordeal. No one questioned Sherry about her kidnapping, except Keith, who tried to help her remember details.

There was no reason to. Everyone, the detectives included, only wanted to help her. That's exactly what makes this next part so unsettling. After a long, painful wait, there was a miraculous break in the case that detectives couldn't have expected four years prior. Thanks to recent advances in DNA forensic science, detectives are sitting in front of Sherry again in 2020,

this time with the case broken wide open. So obviously it's been a long road, incredibly long road. But some stuff's come up. So over, we've always had the DNA out there in the world. Sorry, now before we get too far, obviously, just like always, thank you for coming. We appreciate you to take time to come back to us. As always, your presence here is voluntary. You can go at any time.

And all we want is truthful statements because it's a, a crime to lie to federal officers. Wow, yeah. So there's always been DNA out there. We've done tests after testing. We've gone out to, like, the Parabon, which is a private company that's all the genetics, and we've just hit wall after wall after wall. But recently, we found a familiar DNA hit.

So what that does, it just tells us it came from a certain person. So, like the mother or the father or a son. an uncle or however that is, it just hits down like somewhere in this family tree is where the DNA comes from. So with that, we open up the investigation. We go into who could it be within the family. So once we started opening up those doors and looking through those family members and just trying to see Facebook stocking them, criminal histories, just that normal investigation that we do once we start looking into things, we started finding some interesting things.

So one of the things that came out to us, is there anything in there that looks of interest or notable? When DNA testing is mentioned, Sherry scoots her chair closer to Keith's. She may be feeling uneasy and seeking her husband's support. It appears that she doesn't want to face whatever news the detectives have alone. Sherry is sitting remarkably still as she listens to the detective. She may be experiencing a freeze response, the ceasing of all movement and sound, which happens when the mind perceives an immediate threat. It's expected that she would feel anxious in such a pivotal moment, but her body language is indicating that something is wrong.

So the table, the picture is a little grained out. I mean, to me, I see a table there that somewhat looks like something you've described to me in the past, and then I see wood paneling. talking about the room. Yeah, we noted both of those things back in August, 2017. And then we spoke with you about, and you showed us this picture of the table. Do you remember that

Sherry? Yeah, I do. And so, when we were trolling through this Facebook page, we saw just the edge of that table. Denise Carter. Oh, cool. And he said, hey, look at this table. And I was like, oh, wait, you're right.

And it has the wood paneling. So like, well, where was that photo taken, right? And so we were trying to figure that out. Oh, okay. So let us obviously now, now to the, obviously this Facebook page has a person that's got like people tagged into it. So it has, so Peter has a...

But that's still, like, that's still a valid memory, right? But this was the table. Yeah. A table like this was the table you were on when you were branded? And we've been talking about that a lot because so many memories,

are so faded now. It's been a long time. It's been a really long time. So were you able to find where that house is? Yes. Tell me more. Tell me more.

We'll get to that. Okay. So if you look at this closet. It's a little bit different, but it's pretty, excuse my language, it's pretty fucking similar. But

it's different. You said it looks very similar. I mean, this is what I'm remembering that feeling, you know, grabbing it and feeling that feeling. But this part is different. This part is different. That doesn't definitely... So you're saying this metal part looks the same as what you remember. But this piece right here...

This part doesn't look the same. Commindo. With the woodpan. Trying to ignore the TV and stuff. I don't think you had a TV with you, right? Definitely not. While a considerable amount of time is passed, so the initial trauma might have abated somewhat, it's still unusual that Sherry is laughing here.

It is possible that the laughter is an attempt to lighten the mood or memories, or it may also be more of a nervous response not knowing what information the detectives are about to confront her with. What am I looking for for the window? Do you want to know if it's like the same height? The type of window, the wall itself, anything. itself, anything from these photos that make you believe that this was where you were being out? I feel like

this wood paneling is too thick, but I mean there was wood paneling, but I don't, I can't remember something like that being there and I don't remember

So one of the things that we always noted in the bathroom description is just the weird layout of the bathroom. Do you remember the layout of the bathroom? Yes. Well. The description, best description, then we'll start showing some.

But there's door, toilet, sink, tub. Is that what you mean? Yeah. So you walk in the door. First, there's a toilet. Yes. On the right where side? She's a word.

It's been a while. Just in general. I am. I don't know. But whatever, you walk in the door. On one left or right, you have a toilet. then? I want to say

I'm sorry. That's fine? I want to say toilet on the left. Okay. If we could go back to the closet really quick,

though, I remember when you were talking about being changing the closet and trying to figure out a way

to get loose. You talked about working on a screw, right? Uh-huh. And what happened to that screw

when you were done with it? I dug a hole in the wall and poked it into the wall. Okay. Because this is an interesting photo as well.

This in the closet? That's in the closet. No, it was drywall. It was into the drywall. It was into drywall, but... Right electric toilet right in the way. Yeah. Okay.

So maybe not that one. No. So we're showing you all of this, because ultimately this is the house. That you have that. that. We talked to the people who live there. We found the house, we found who was involved. We talked to who was involved. We talked to family who knows that you were there

and talked to a couple people that, or talked to one guy who did see you during this event. Unfortunately, there's a lot of truths, there's a lot of things that were said that we have always conferred. But we've always said there's a lot of truths and there's dumb unknowns. One of the simple ones is like, well, this description of the bathroom is just weird. That was like an argument in all of our offices where we were sitting there like this, this part's weird. But then we find a house with it. and they all threat through the thing, and that's just, that's just weird.

Keith appears to be outwardly celebrating their victory, ecstatic that his wife's captors have finally been caught after so many years. Sherry, on the other hand, seems significantly less thrilled by the news. She remains motionless and fixed on the officer for a few seconds. Likely, another freeze response. When she comes to, she appears to motion for her husband to calm down. The fact that he felt the need to apologize for reacting appropriately may be another important look into their relationship dynamic.

It alludes to the idea that he isn't confident in the validity of his feelings, and neither of them are considering the trauma and pain he also went through when she disappeared. So I think with that being said, some choices and some decisions ultimately changed the original path of what happened. So we'd like to talk to you more about those things, and we can do it with Keith here, or we ask Keith to leave, to whatever you're comfortable with, so we can break down some of the problems. If you want, Keith here, all we want is to have the truth. All we want is be able to tell the truth.

That's all we've ever wanted from day one. We've talked to me for hours. We've been there. We've done all these different things, waiting for something, waiting for it to break, waiting for us to get, to lead something to hear. Because the DNA came back, like I said, to a specific person. That specific person told us very specific things.

His family told us specific things. The tension is so thick you could cut it. What must Sherry be feeling right now? Fear, desperation, despair. Certainly, Keith's stomach is a knot as he registers that his wife had actually been with a man during the time she was gone. Had Sherry run away with another guy? Had someone forced themselves on his wife? Was this another repressed memory that she'd forgotten to mention?

Or maybe Keith always knew. His nonverbal communication over the course of the at-home interview communicated that something was amiss. Perhaps he'd had an inkling early on that the circumstances were, suspicious. Notice also that she's leaning towards Keith here to get support and encouragement. This nonverbal language is very different from the initial interviews. Keith presumably knows his wife better than most and likely could tell where her story became fishy. So we can step out of the room, let you guys talk, because I don't know what information I'm going to do if it's life-changing news or if it's, oh yeah, everything's fine. I just don't know

what it is. The truth is fast approaching, and while Keith is ready for answers, Sherry makes one last desperate effort to wiggle her way out of the situation. I don't want them to find her. I don't want her to be arrested. I don't want to press her. I don't want to find her. I don't know.

I don't want them to find her. You're not listening to me. Because she saved my life. But tell me. Hunt, there's lives. No kid how to be it right now. I have to be with you. I have my name.

I don't want to send her. I don't want to press charges, and I don't want, I don't want to go down that road. But you tell her? I don't want to go down that road. I don't know. Because she sees my life, and she's the reason why I get to hold my child during my first single day. So you don't press card? They still need to find out who is.

You're not making it tell someone where I'm getting to start. Yeah. Does she do long in her own? And hopefully you've had a chance to chat right please. The fears later maybe. I don't even answer the question. I don't know. I don't know.

You're in the driver's here, right? I think it's easier to control things once you know what the information is. We're just still at the talking stage or at the control stage. You seem scary, sharing. What is? I don't want you to find her. We're not going to find her. her. She's the reason why I get to see my children every day.

I agree, but we're not going to find her. We can skip to the rock into the water and rubble up the pond if we want to now. This is the last time if you want to do this alone or with Keith. Keith's been through this also on a different level. I'm ready to move on and throw the dart and throw the rock and see what happens to the water. Look, Sherry, look at me. What do you want? I don't want her to get in trouble.

She's not going to get in trouble. The DNA came back to James Rays. Your DNA that was on you belongs to James Rice. The picture and I think of the picture. The picture of the table is James raised, his little brother. He died recently. We talked to him. We've been on a polygraph.

Everybody around him. We have the rental agreements, phone rental, car rental agreements. We have everything that says that He said he told the truth. That's Tarns, brother. Deceased. Nick. So everything, you've told us so many truth in this situation, the reason why you can describe the rooms is because you stayed in the room in the dark for hours, for days on end.

The reason why you lost so much weight is because you stopped eating. The reason why you got a rash under your arm is because you cleaned his house. The reason why the brand is because he went to the store of buying. the brand new tools and branded you. The reason why your nose was broke is because of a hockey stick. I know all of those things, and I know there was no... I know all of that because he passed a polygraph test that said, it's not an abduction.

She asked me to come to get her. No. I rented a car. No. I drove up and picked her up. He passed the polygraph test, Sherry. Because polygraphs rely heavily on the skill of the administrative, They're not always accurate at detecting whether or not someone is telling the truth.

The detectives know this, but are taking a very direct approach to confronting Sherry with all the evidence they have that contradicts her story, and are using the polygraph results to try to encourage her to finally drop the charade. Despite her verbal refusals, her body language shows that she knows the game is over. She completely covers her face and bends forward, closing herself off from the detectives. Meanwhile, Keith is leaning away from her with his arms crossed, likely experiencing an unfathomable slew of emotions. What's that? We were friends. And he came and got you because you asked him.

No. When was the last time you had contact with James? Brother died. Brother died in 2017. That right? Was it before or after the abduction? Before. When was the last time you saw him?

When I lived in Southern California. So the last person-to-person contact you had with him was back in 2006. When you were living in Southern California? I don't know. So was it prior to your marriage? It's him. There is no way. It's him. But we all know by now that this isn't true. She remembers everything.

She's simply reluctant to admit in front of her husband that she was in communication with her ex-boyfriend, even following the incident. However, she lost the chance to get Keith out of the room and probably feels that the best chance she has at saving her marriage is to continue to lie. He took us to the stores

where he bought the chain. He talked, we talked to the friend who ran the car. The car that he ran and drove over 900 miles in a day on the drop-off point. You did go in a dark room, that's true.

You did slain the backseat of a car. That's true. You did lose weight. You were branded. Your hair was cut. You did have bruises all over. But how those bruises got there are because you did it and James did some. The reason why your nose got broke is because you held the hockey stick to your face

and he forced it into your nose. The reason why the brand is in a straight line is because he did it. He described exactly where it was. He told us exactly how he did. did it, where he did it, how he did it. Only you and I and maybe five other people know where the brain was. He told me immediately. Robert told friends and family you were there, because mom knew that you were there, because of course it went news and everybody knew you guys dated, everybody who didn't know you guys had a relationship. So when it happened, of course,

family reached out to him, he told him, yes, she was here. But it said it hurt. I didn't hurt it. It's notable that Sherry did tell many truths during the prior interviews. But since law enforcement didn't ask any hard questions or even doubt her answers, she was able to lie by omission and give the appearance of being truthful. James, DNA was confirmed on your clothing. Two of you haven't seen each other in over a decade. If you told me that you haven't been in his room, you haven't had contact with him over 10 years.

However, you just grabbed his bedroom to a teeth. And the DNA on you was still a vibrant piece of it. of DNA. 10-year-old DNA dies. The DNA that was there specifically was non-siminal fluid with seminal fractions. You've got

that from his house somewhere. So whether it was the bed that you were sleeping on, where it was the couch, whether it was anywhere in there. When somebody would come to the door and be around the property, you'd call James. James would call Robert, which is those two doors

Robert wouldn't run people off the property. Robert told me all of that. Keith's gaze is fixed on the door, silently communicating that he wants to leave the room. His leg is shaking in an attempt to relieve nervous energy while Sherry's feet are turned towards Keith, indicating that she wants to connect with him. Keith's foot that is on the ground is turned towards the door,

showing that he would like to leave the room. He's clearly uncomfortable as demonstrated by the grooming behavior he's exhibited throughout this segment of the interview, like cleaning his nails and fixing his shirt. Surely any husband would be confused, angry, and embarrassed if they were sitting in Keith's chair. There were so many truths that were a part of your story that it's hard to decipher the lies.

Until we put it all together, until he says, hey, why, how did you pick her up? I open up the passenger side seat, I opened the door, you jumped in the back seat. Why did you do that? Why did you do that? I don't know. It was weird.

So are you calling James a liar? Are we not believing James what he told me? No. I know you're... I cannot believe that it is James. I can't believe James told us the truth. You called James to pick you up. You mailed them a letter with your address.

You used a... No. You used a burner phone to call another. burner phone for James to come and get you. You're saying since you're married, you haven't called James? No, I have called James. His phone records show that you do. You did.

The phones don't lie, but DNA doesn't lie, Sherry. His polygraph doesn't lie. So you can go a couple different directions now. His story. I've already told you lying to me is a crime. So you walk out the store with telling lies, and that's a crime. I think we need my lawyer. This isn't making any sense.

That's not making it tell, Sherry. That it's James. No, the parts that don't make sense are that you're accusing two females who abducted you when it was James. The part that you were branded, James did. He told me he did. Who would sit there and say, I branded Sherry on her right shoulder, but who does it? Sherry clearly doesn't understand the importance of the officer's warning against lying. In the face of a federal agent, the consequence for being dishonest increases dramatically.

Title 18 U.S.C. Section 1001 states that to knowingly and willingly make a materially false or fraudulent statement to a federal agent is a felony, punishable by up to five years in jail. Even a basic denial of wrongdoing, commonly known as an exculpatory no, is unlawful. The only safe alternative for a suspect would be to request an attorney and say nothing more. Sherry eventually has this realization and tries to align herself with Keith by saying we need my lawyer, but he doesn't bother responding and instead turns his head away from her, a clear indication that for him there is no we. Keith motions to one of the detectives, seemingly asking for permission to leave the room. He's heard enough.

The implications of physically separating himself from Sherry are significant as if to say that he no longer has anything to do with this. With her protector gone, Sherry's on her own now. You see the table can stay. Case can away out of that. Were there issues between you and Keith? Is that why you needed to leave? We've read your text message.

We're already working some issues, but enlighten us if that's the case. If there was a valid reason for you to leave, let me know what that was. I love my husband. Were you an abusive relationship with them? Have you told other people in your life that Keith has abused you in the past when that wasn't true? Or there was an incident at a party that you got hurt playing like, I don't know, we or missionary or something. And then you told other friends that Keith hurt you. When there was witnesses at the party that said you just, that you got hurt during a party.

and you go tell James that you were being hurt, you were being abused, and you couldn't come forward because Keith had friends of law enforcement. If all of that, is that true? Has Keith ever been abusive towards you? We ended up talking about my husband. Sherry's answer here is evasive. Although this can be a sign of deception, it's also common for victims of abuse to protect and love their abuser.

However, considering how much trouble Sherry is, in, if she were abused, it would make more sense for her to report that now. Perhaps Sherry still hasn't fully registered the severity of the consequences she's facing. Or she may think she can still cry her way out of trouble with the police and her husband, so she's refraining from throwing him under the bus. If she gave him up, that would surely ruin any chances of her saving her marriage. Then there's the obvious possibility that she was lying about the abuse all along, something she's proven to be very skilled at. It's important to note that Keith's story of the Wii remote was corroborated. Thus, Sherry has just essentially been caught making at least one false report of abuse on her husband.

Who knows what other tall tales she has floating around. Has Keith ever been abusive towards you? We're not talking about my husband. I love my husband. So why leave? Is James lying to us? I would never leave my children. But you didn't leave them permanently. You came back to them. Ultimately. No. You left them every day at daycare.

So it's not like a... James talked about that decision when you were driving down how hard that was. You left at 10 o'clock knowing that Keith was going to get home late, knowing you were going to leave the kids at daycare, and how much that tore you up on the drive down. You told us that. Like when you were in Eureka, you give them a call.

Did you start chatting with him? told him some of your problems when did it turn from just chatting to us plan to get away no we're getting a hold of Donovan Mitzky the night before why did I do that we're trying to understand why you did that too

we're trying to understand all of it I don't know I'm doing what this is an awful choice that it's got me why did you ask James to come to get you you asked Donovan the night before to meet up with you.

Everything happened at once. You were asked a stupid thing to do. Why did you ask him to come pick you up? Was that I don't know? What's that? B.G. He understood the DNA that lie, so he can't clean. Now it's your chance to do the same.

And if you don't, you're going to be shaking your head later and say, I should have told them what happened? to be like that. Like what? This comment proves that Sherry is still adamant on taking the victim's stance. She's now insinuating that the detectives are doing something to her, rather than acknowledging that she'd wronged them and everyone else involved. She's likely used to being able to manipulate others into treating her kindly.

But these officers have dealt with Sherry's tears for four years now. They're not going to get her anywhere this time. Once we've, you had to have known that this was going to come at some point. What's that? This is all my fault. All right. Well, we know. Yeah, but then how did we get to Costa Rica, or part of the Mesa?

Did James pick you up? You told me earlier that girl pointed a gun at you. Is that, is that detail, which one's true? It's only one. Only one of those are true, Sherry. She's not asked for this. No, nobody asked for this. Sherry, I believe you.

Nobody asked for this. Nobody asked for ABC News to park out in your driveway. That was no way you could have predicted that this was going to blow up and to be as big as it was. Who picked you on? Was it James, or was it a female that pointed a gun at you? Can you please answer that? You're shaking your head now. I'm not talking to you about that.

I'm not going to get anything in trouble. I've told you before. I do not want anyone to get in trouble. Well, you're going to get yourself in trouble at this point. That's where we're at. So either the job's picture. I didn't do anything wrong. I know you didn't do anything wrong.

Right now, you're not telling the truth, which is doing something wrong. That's where we're at. So, but the one... Now, we're saying James' DNA was on you. We know that you were in that room at his house. Then you know is the woman. Then you know is the woman. That's why we're asking you.

It was a woman. Put a pointed gun at you and put you in the car, yes or no? Is that where we're at? Don't remember. You don't remember if a female pointed a gun at you and put you in the car? You know what you're saying, sure? I've always told you I don't remember getting in the car. I've always told you I don't remember getting in the car.

But did a female point a gun at you, yes or no? I know you know who she is. I'm not saying it. You're getting in trouble. But right now, answer this one question. Did a female point of gun at you, yes or no? I am done speaking to you. I talk to a lawyer.

I will not arrest her. I am with my shoulder and make a loose for... At this point, Sherry... You did vote. I agree. This is a classic example of an exculpatory no statement, which isn't protected under the Fifth Amendment. As the situation stands,

Sherry could possibly be facing time for her lack of cooperation. Sherry, if you want to talk to attorney, that's fine. We can wrap this up. If you want to keep talking to us, that's a separate story, but you said you wanted to talk to your attorney. So from the beginning you're free to go and you can go. I would ask you one more question, just for your own welfare. Do you feel like harming yourself?

Oh, welfare. Do you feel like harming yourself? Okay. Seeing as Sherry has now clearly requested an attorney, detectives wrap up their conversation with her, then briefly touch base with Keith separately. I'm the idiot husband and stayed around the whole time. Some of the details, some of you stop coming out.

I mean, from my side, I feel like, you know, my whole world is going to flip the upside out again. Why is that, why I'm always getting held out of it? Why can't you just hit me with it? I did, I do. I know, yeah. Because this happened Monday. No, you're saying you can't tell me all this stuff.

It's still ongoing investigation. From my side, but now you're telling me, okay, you guys can go home now? Do you think I want her anywhere around my kids or around me at all at this point? And again, we've talked a lot. I don't know what the next stages of this are. That's why... It's not together, right?

Whatever those decisions are, I don't know. But from a... We can all agree that she's not all there, then obviously if somebody can do something like that to their body and try to trick everybody that they're probably not fit to... It was four years ago. Keith has a valid point here, given this was four years prior now,

but for a person to engage in severe self-harm and bodily injury, there is typically a serious mental health crisis going on. Sherry was likely desperate when she asked James to assist her in harming herself, but the question still remains. Why was Sherry so desperate to disappear that she faked a kidnapping? Unfortunately for Sherry, the investigators were being honest with her about every piece of evidence they had. They'd even traveled over eight hours to speak with James personally.

At the start of the interview, James attempted to lie to the detectives. He told them that he hadn't seen Cherry and didn't know anything about her disappearance. However, after being presented with the DNA evidence and the possibility of it being used against him, he came clean. What did she have planned up? She was wringing away from her husband, and I don't know their deal. But that was just a friend calling me and I'm like, well, I'm good. You understand it was that's what she was saying.

That's what I'm going from him. Yeah. She was having a hard time. When I know, I know very little about them. I knew she got married when she got married. So what happened next? It was it. We, I, you know, I went got her.

In what car? A rental car. I mean, just my car is not. What kind of rental? I'm not, honestly, I can't even remember what you way. It was probably, it was an SUV if I'm like. But I just don't remember what brand it was. The cheapest rental I could get.

You remember the color? See? It could be white or silver, gray. I can't really remember, but I mean, I just... Light color. It was, yeah, it was a lighter color car. And then whatever. Just picked her up, you know.

Obviously, it was she... What she wanted me to have, do, like how she wanted me to pick her up. You know, I mean, I wasn't anything crazy. I just pulled up the car. Was there a road? Yeah. Did I go off any roads?

No. Let's just say I don't know where she lives in Reading. I know she's in Reading. She didn't give me any. Did you even get out of the car? No. So you unlocked the door, she gets in. Yeah. Front seat, back seat? Backseat.

Backseat. Then what happened? Just the drive. Did she sit in the back the whole time? Yeah. Do what you guys? She's laid down, you know, take a nap. I don't know. So during that 22 days, she has some significant injuries. Yeah.

So there's a brand on her. Yeah. There's significant bruising. There's, like, how did all that stuff come up? I mean, she did a lot of that while she was here. I mean, she just hit herself with something, creative bruise or something. And I helped her.

I mean, I didn't punch her anything. I didn't even put hands on her or anything. How did you help her? She just was just like, uh... What James reveals next is completely twisted. Think a puck off my leg. So I shot a puck off her leg lightly. The creative bruise.

Yeah. I mean. The idea of having hockey pucks intentionally shot at you for the specific purpose of causing visible bruises is sickening to say the least. What about the big one on your arm? That was probably, that could have been, that would have been here. I mean, there's not too many people say come up and hurt me, right? I played hockey. When I fight, when that's like a thing, it's no one's asking you, you do it.

But I, that's, I'm not physical ever with women. I mean, it just, I just did what she, she heard herself for some stuff. here, you know, I was gone all day, eight, ten hours, and then some stuff I helped her with. What about the burns? That was us, you know. How did that out? How is the tool? Huh?

Well, that is just trash. I wasn't mine. It was just a, we bought it. It was like a... Where'd you buy from? What do you call it, a wood bearing tool? How did she, was she standing, laying down? Just sitting, like, I mean, it's not...

How do you brand somebody that's asking you to do it? You know, I'm lying, like, I don't even know, so... So she's sitting like... If you were sitting here, you know, I was sitting on the ground show. You would just be sitting in front of me. The way you did it, it seemed like you did it quick with it. Well, you can't hold that. I mean, you can't cattle burn too hard.

It's so fine, it'll burn through the. It was so hot, it was ragged. You also said at one point that she had a phone that she was looking up stuff. Do you know what that is? It was she had a phone. Okay. What she had with her was what she had with her. Okay, but she brought a phone with her that came down here.

Yeah, I think it was a prepaid one. I mean, I don't, I'm not really sure with the phone, what phone she had. I know she left a phone. Anything else? What about the window? Anything to deal with the window? Did she do anything with the window? The window?

Yeah. Oh, like on the, oh, this window here in the room. I'm sorry. I was like, I didn't, it was just, there's just boards over it, so she couldn't see. There was no light coming in. She wanted to be dark. Who put the boards up? I did.

I just screwed him in there for it. Where did you get the wood from? I'd actually had it. It's from Home Depot, but I had it because I built a workbench and it would just plywood. There's just three sheets of a cartible board or press board. On the way up, what rental car was it? What kind of car was it? It's like a challengeer. And that was a light challenger? It was black or gray, dark blue maybe even. I don't. No, it wasn't blue. It was dark gray or black.

Dark, like Dodge Challenger. Yeah, silver gray. And then you'd be gone most of the day and you'd come back. You'd see different injuries on her? Not always. I mean, that stuff was more towards her getting ready to go. Okay. How long of that frame is there?

A day or two? I mean, we weren't doing that every day for 22 days. She was here. She was planning up to going. You know, she was going to stay longer. It was her plan. I don't know how long. But she couldn't be away from her kids anymore.

Let me back up a little bit. And the shirt had was a pretty deep burn on her forearm. That one, I don't know. That would have been self-inflicted. What about her hair? What happened with her hair? She chopped that. At what time frame?

Pretty early. I mean, what's in the first few days? A couple days. I wasn't here. Anything else that we can think of at this point? Besides. No, I was saying I was trying to rack, though. I was thinking about how I, that trail.

I know how I got, how I didn't, I didn't have the phone. I had MRSA and I was in Hogue Hospital. When? Prior to all this stuff, I had MRSA in my leg and I was in there for eight or nine days, level four ICU for blood infection in my bloodstream. Okay.

And they were giving me 50-50 to cut my knee here. That got all that muscle rotted out and my foot was swollen my toe. They had to cut that out in there. But she sent me a care package and it had the directions in it Because I couldn't remember how I got that road if my phone was off, and I don't think I had it. Sure did? Yeah. Perhaps the most perplexing aspect of Sherry's stay with James was the fact that multiple witnesses were aware of her presence, yet none came forward.

Despite the widespread media coverage devoted to Sherry's disappearance, police were rightfully outraged with Sherry for concocting the lie that wasted years' worth of resources, manpower, and time. Not just for them, but for the entire. Shasta County community who gave their days to search for her. It also caused law enforcement to infiltrate the lives of dozens of innocent people for no reason. The worst part is that from the day she was found on the highway to the day she was caught, Sherry never showed remorse for all the lives she upended with her antics. But that wouldn't stop the consequences from eventually catching up with her when she least expected it. Her retribution would come two years after her ruse was

discovered. On March 3, 2022, while Sherry attended her children's piano lessons, a man entered the building and explained to Sherry that her vehicle had been hit in the parking lot. Of course, the claim wasn't true, and the man wasn't just any man. He was an FBI agent. As Sherry walked outside to inspect her vehicle, another agent was waiting to arrest her. She screamed no and attempted to flee, throwing her cell phone approximately 20 feet from her location. They were able to handcuff and detain her despite the struggle. Sherry left the school's parking lot in a police vehicle and was taken to the county jail where she was booked for making false statements to law enforcement and 34 counts of mail fraud. A month later on April 18th, Sherry pleaded guilty to

one count of mail fraud and to providing false information. In ironic contrast, to Keith's claim in his first interview, he filed for divorce two days after she submitted her guilty plea. He also filed for sole custody of their two kids. According to him, he was apprehensive of his wife's mental health and concerned for their children's well-being after the trauma they'd endured. Since then, Keith has moved away from Reading and has focused his attention on making sure their kids lead stable and healthy lives. During her sentencing hearing, her defense team pushed for her to receive a penalty of a month in prison, followed by seven months of house arrest. The prosecution argued that she deserved a harsher sentence. of eight months in prison and three years of supervised release.

But the presiding judge had another idea. He took into consideration the officers who relentlessly looked for her, as well as everyone else who believed and invested in Sherry. On September 19, 2022, Sherry Papani was sentenced to a year and a half in prison, followed by three years of supervised release. Such a lengthy sentence would also serve to deter copycats who might consider attempting the same attention-seeking behavior. She was also instructed to pay $309,922 in restitution,

which includes the $30,000 she'd received from the victim compensation fund, the $128,000 worth of disability money she was given following her return, and $150,000 as reimbursement for law enforcement's efforts to find her and her imaginary kidnappers. Six years after the day this all started, Sherry was finally held accountable for her fraudulence. Before she was taken away, Sherry in tears, apologized to everyone she'd impacted

and stated that she was ready to take full responsibility by peacefully accepting her sentence. Even her defense attorney, who was later interviewed outside the courthouse, would admit that it was a fair sentence, though it obviously wasn't what they were hoping for. No one knows exactly why Sherry left. According to her attorney, he doesn't think she knows either. Still, it's entirely possible that given the mental health care that she needs,

we might be able to finally get an answer from her following her release in early 2024. Until then, Sherry is incarcerated at Federal Correctional Institution, Victorville, in San Bernardino County.