Exploring My Strange Bible - All Things New or All New Things? (Remastered)

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Resurrection as a Way of Life E5 — In this final teaching of a five-part series, Tim explores the depiction of new creation in the book of Revelation. These final pages of the Bible talk about this future universe as new because many aspects of our current world will not carry over. At the same time, we will experience some points of continuity. So what do we make of all this and why is it important? Tim gave this message at Door of Hope Church in Portland, Oregon, on August 21, 2016.OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPTView this episode’s official transcript.REFERENCED RESOURCESCheck out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books here.SHOW MUSIC“Nob Hill (Instrumental)” by DrexlerSHOW CREDITSProduction of today's episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Aaron Olsen edited and remastered today's episode. JB Witty writes our show notes.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey everybody, I'm Tim Mackey, and this is my podcast, exploring my strange Bible. I am a card-carrying Bible history and language nerd who thinks that Jesus of Nazareth is utterly amazing and worth following with everything that you have. On this podcast, I'm putting together the last 20 years worth of lectures and sermons where I've been exploring the strange and wonderful story of the Bible and how it invites us into the mission of Jesus, and the journey of faith. And I hope this can all be helpful for you, too. I also help start this thing called The Bible Project. We make animated videos and podcasts and classes about all kinds of topics

in Bible and theology. You can find all those resources at Bibleproject.com. With all that said, let's dive into the episode for this week. All right. Well, this is the fifth episode of a five-part series we've been doing on the podcast called Resurrection as a Way of Life. We've been exploring the importance and key role of the hope of new creation and resurrection in the mind and heart of a follower of Jesus. And in this teaching, we're going to explore the final pages of the Bible, the depiction of new creation in the book of Revelation, and how crucial it is to understand the way that the Bible talks about this new universe as new, because it both means that it has profound discontinuities, ways that the new creation will be unlike our current way of experiencing

the world. But at the same time, the way that the final pages of the Bible describe the new creation shows there's also lots of continuity. In other words, there's lots of ways that the new creation will be similar to the world as we know it. It's both similar and dissimilar. And what does that mean? And why is that even important? If the question has never occurred to you, why that's an important thing to think about, I'm going to hopefully convince you that it's a really, really important thing to think about how the new creation is both different and similar to our current world. So there you go. That's the question we're going to ask as we open the last pages of the Bible. Let's dive in. Today, it's fitting that we

should turn to the second to last page of the Bible to allow the empty tomb and the resurrection of Jesus to truly expand out into the glorious Christian hope of a universe raised from the dead. of a resurrected world. And that's exactly what John's talking about here. So I'll just put the big passage up here on the screen, but most of you have it open in front of you or turned on in front of you, whichever. And this is a glorious, glorious passage of Scripture.

It comes right near the end of the story, and it's vision from the Revelation. So let's just stop right there. This is from the book of The Revelation, not Revelations, with an F on the end. It's the most common mispronunciation of the book, The Revelation. And, you know, I was a little nervous in picking a passage to teach on in this series from the Revelation, because here's what I found about this book in modern audiences, at least in the West. Much like, as I often say, cilantro divides a room in half.

Half love, half hate, half are repulsed by it. Book of Revelation has much of the same effect on modern readers. Either some people love it and are obsessed with it. And often, not always, but often it's connected to an upbringing or a background in church traditions that are really into prophecy timelines and end times timetables and this kind of thing when predicting Jesus' return and all that. So some people love it and find it endlessly fascinating for that. And it's precisely that group of people that makes the other half of the room totally weirded out and repulsed by the book of Revelation.

And they're just like, I just want to love and follow Jesus. I don't know. It'll all pan out in the end kind of thing. So that's about the effect that this book has on modern readers. And it's understandable. It seems like a bizarre book to most modern readers. And eventually, you know, you might get accustomed to it. but it's a highly image-driven book full of imagery that it's just fantastic and outstanding. And the author, John, has all of these visions that he's writing down. It seems bizarre to modern readers. It was not bizarre to the first followers of Jesus, who were all Jewish. The Book of Revelation is a perfect example of a kind of literature that was very popular

at the time of Jesus, called the period of the Second Temple or Second Temple Judaism. A Bible nerds today call it Jewish apocalyptic literature. But the book of Revelation is not the only book of its kind from this time period. There are many other Jewish apocalypses that recounted dreams or visions that prophets had. And what these dreams or visions do is they give the prophet or the visionary a chance to zoom up to like 30. thousand feet, so to speak, over history and current events and to offer God's point of view on the meaning of history and the meaning of events and what's gone wrong and where it's all going. And the primary way that all of these Book of Revelation, but other Jewish apocalyptic texts,

I could give you a whole list of them. You can go buy translations of them down at Powell's, and you will be better off for it because they're fascinating to read. But the way that all of these text, communicate is through heavy, intense imagery. The best analogy that I can find. It's not perfect, but it's a good one. In our own way of thinking about media and communication today is cartoons and specifically political cartoons. Work with me here. You guys ready? Just work with me here. You'll see two appear on the screen. Each one of them is lampooning the main presidential candidate. Got to play fair, right? So there you guys. go. Hillary is getting made fun of and so is Donald right there. So let's play fair.

Okay, so here's two recent political cartoons. Now, if you're an American citizen, if you're not an American citizen, if you've been in American culture for, say, five years, do you need me to explain these cartoons to you? You get it, don't you? The one on the upper left is brilliant, isn't it? Whether or not you agree with it, let's just get, this is a very creative, thoughtful artist. You know what I'm saying? in a million ways. And the one on the lower right, if you're an indie race car fan,

that's also brilliant, and it's in its own right. Do you need me to explain this to you? I don't think you do. So just think, let's say someone from Jesus' day, a Jewish person who's living in ancient Rome were to time travel, right?

And come sit next to you right now and be looking at these images, would it make perfect sense to them? No, of course not. What do you think they would start asking about? Why is there a man in a dark, like, costume wearing a cape? And what's that blonde bangs protruding from there? And why is there an elephant hanging from a spaceship weather vein, right?

In the cloud city of Bestbin. So, like, what's it happening here? Like, what's that about? Right? And why is there, what's that automobile? And why is it crashed before the finish line and indie race cars? And why is there a donkey pushing it? These are not self-explanatory.

You actually have to have a very sophisticated knowledge of American history, of American political symbolism and imagery. You also have to have a background in American sports, race car sports. You have to be well-versed in a whole imaginary universe, known as Star Wars. And do I have to teach you any of these? No, you get it, you get it. So these are images and symbols that refer to real people and real things in history, but also laid on top of them as a layer of symbols and images from other real things or imaginary worlds,

and it all swirls together into these really complex drawings that didn't require you to have an explanation. But an ancient reader would. And I would suggest to you that when we come to the book of Revelation, it's exactly the same thing, just the Cetraswatt. You and I have become time travelers to ancient Israel-Palestines, and we are being invited into the highly image-driven dreams and visions of John that he, you know, like your dreams are weird and fantastic, by the way, but also that John clearly had these experiences and then he prayerfully, meditated over them and represented them in this form of literature that was common in John's day. And just like these assume that you have a knowledge in IndyCar racing and Star Wars, John's apocalypse assumes that you are immersed in the world of the Hebrew scriptures and in the world of first century Roman-Israeli politics.

That's what John assumes that you know, and that's why we find it all so bizarre. And so, like, lesson number one, we're going to move on real quick here, but just lesson number one, and this is for free. The Book of Revelation seems weird to you primarily because we don't live in his time and place from 2,000 years ago. That's why it repulses half the room and fascinate the other half of the room. And so what we always have to do is first ask, first humble ourselves, and then second, ask, what is the thing that he's alluding to? And what thing is he picking up from the Old Testament scriptures or from his culture and adapting and doing something brilliant with to communicate? And the way that John has pulled from the Old Testament and then mixed it together with his vision of the empty tomb and the resurrection and what that means for following him and the future of the universe, brilliant. Think of brilliance.

The book of Revelation is what I'm telling you. It's a work of literary ninja re. It's really amazing and brilliant. Let me just show you one example. And it's from the paragraph. Let's go back to the paragraph here. Oops, go back. So, first line, and this will get us right into the resurrection

and how the book of Revelation works. So when you heard or read, the first lines, a great paragraph right here from Revelation 21, I saw New Heaven and the Newers, first heaven and the first earth passed away. There was no longer any sea. Now, even if you're not an expert in the Old Testament scriptures, my hunch is that some page of the Old Testament came into your mind. And which page would you be? There was a spoiler alert.

I'm kind of right at the screen already. What page? What page of the Old Testament? Page one. Page one. He's deliberately echoing the opening words of the whole Bible from Genesis chapter 1. Pay attention. A new heavens and a new earth. First heaven and the first heaven. was passed away, and what's no more? See. Now, Christian surfers around the world are very depressed when they read this line, right? You're like, really? I was actually hoping I could do quite a lot of that in the new creation. But, and you'll see, I actually do think there's still hope once you get the meaning of John's image. Okay, so let's go back to where he's quoting from. You'll see what he's doing here. So he's quoting from the opening lines of the Bible. In the beginning, God made the heavens

and the earth. When you see the heavens, don't think city and the sky. The heavens is the normal Hebrew way of referring to the clouds, like what's up there, the sky. And when you see the earth, don't think globe, right?

Hebrews had no concept of the globe. It wasn't until like 70 years ago that you and I had a picture of this globe to look at, for goodness sakes. There's no way that's what was in their head. What's in their head is, if heavens refers to what's up there, what does earth refer to?

It's just what's down here? It's just like it's a normal language based on normal observations that you and I would make, just standing right here, the heavens and the earth. Now, let's talk about what is the current state,

the uncreated state of things in the beginning that God is working with. How are things down here on the land? Happy face, sad face. well it is wild and waste and darkness is over the surface

of the deep and the deep there refers to the deep, deep waters of the deep seas so right here we're introduced into a very, very Israelite, ancient Israelite view of the world. Genesis

1 tells a story of how God takes a chaotic watery wasteland and transforms it into a garden that's ordered and he'll appoint the humans to both cultivate it and expand it. So Genesis 1 is telling a story about God

transforming darkness and wasteland into beauty and into order. And precisely what God does in Genesis 1 is take the sea, the chaotic sea, and transform it into land and garden and so on. You might ask like, well, okay, so why is the sea, this image of chaos? So we take cruise ships out into the oceans and whatever. We certainly haven't tamed the thing.

Do you guys know there was a new species of whale discovered just three weeks ago? Did you see this? It was a dead. It called a beak-nose whale. It washed up dead way up on the in the... the Arctic, but it was a completely unknown species of whale. And you're just like, what do we know, really? We don't know anything at all about what's swimming under one. They're so amazing, right? So we, but we have a sense, since, you know, sea travel has continues to be perfected and so on.

Like, the sea isn't the first thing that comes to our mind when we think of the most dangerous threat to human stability and existence on planet Earth. The sea is not what comes to our mind, But it is what came to Israelite author's minds. If you read through the Old Testament and just tally all of the times the ocean or the sea is talked about, it is almost never positive. It was one of the most threatening. The Israelites were never a seafaring people. They left that to the Phoenicians up north and the Egyptians down south. They never had huge fleets except under one king's reign, but they were never known for being a seafaring people.

And it's reflected in the Old Testament. The sea was a terrifying place to Israelite, right? And maybe had something to do with the passage through the Red Sea, and it just freaked them all out after the Exodus, and they never wanted to make votes again after that. So here's the point. You read through the Old Testament, the sea was a place that represented the instability and chaos of the world.

It's a place where humans shouldn't spend too much time because it will destroy you. The first opening page of the Bible depicts the uncreated chaotic, instable state of the world as a watery wasteland. And what God does is he overcomes the sea to create land and garden and everything, Genesis Chapter 1. Now, you can debate about the details and all that kind of stuff,

but that is just the basic storyline of Genesis chapter. So John knows this. He grew up on these scriptures. And so when he envisions the new world that opened up on Easter morning. And the kind of world that God is going to make that could be called new,

a place that's permeated with God's love and God's presence, where does his mind go? It goes to page one of the Bible. And so what? Let's go back to Revelation here. I think the next slide.

Yeah. So when he envisions a new heaven and a new earth, the way of life, the way that humans exist on the world, is still marked by the same instability and chaos and death. And so what God is going to do is invite the world

because of the resurrection of Jesus into a new kind of existence, a new kind of community. And this is a world that has no sea. Good. That's right. Yeah, that's right. And so what we want to know is, okay, but what does that actually refer to? in terms of like the physical makeup of this resurrected universe. This actually mean there's no H2O molecules gathered together in large bodies, right?

And that's what our mind go. And that's a similar question to asking of these political cartoons. Okay, so is a donkey actually going to push Hillary at some point in this election? Like, well, a donkey appear on the stage and the artist would just be like, no, no, no, you don't get it. That's not the meaning of the image. Are you with me? We're missing the point. We ask if there's going to be H2O molecules in the new creation.

We're just missing the point. The point is we get the echo of page one of the Bible. And what we see is this is a world where every threat to the safety and stability of the new creation has been removed. If John were sitting and having his visions in the 21st century, he would say, you know, a new heaven, a new earth. and there were no longer any nuclear weapons or something like that. It's thinking of the ultimate threat to human safety in existence. Hey guys, done. Okay, so just put on this set of glasses and read through the whole book of Revelation,

and it will blow your mind. It's the most brilliant, most brilliant theological literary work. It's incredible. Now, I want to focus in here on something. Now, there were equipped with a set of reading skills. Look at what he does here when he opens his vision of the new creation. He calls it the new heaven and the new earth, and the first heaven and the first earth passed away.

So if you just read that at face value, what it seems to say is which heaven and earth are you and I inhabiting? The old one, it's going to pass away, and God's going to bring about a new one. So that puts in our minds a story. So we live in the present heaven and earth that you and I are familiar with. And God's going to bring about a new one. This one's going away.

What that's tended to feed into is a story that's very common in many traditions of Christianity about this world being second rate or evil primarily because it's physical. and material. And what God is going to do is bring about a new world of some kind that's partly physical or not physical at all. Most of us haven't really worked that one out. And the goal, though, is to get out of this heaven and earth and get into heaven or a new heaven at earth. And just from reading this paragraph itself, I just would like to invite us to see that what John's saying is actually more complex. It's more sophisticated than that. If you don't think as a follower of Jesus that your ultimate eternal destiny is in a non-physical world of clouds and bliss and so on, even if that's what

you don't believe, your neighbors who aren't followers of Jesus definitely think that's what you believe. And they think that your ultimate dream and vision is to get out of the world, as opposed to engage it and live in it and seek its well-being. And so what, this matters, because what a person hopes for, shapes what they live for. And so if the story is to, like, scrap this heaven and earth, and let's just wait for the new one, if that's my primary way of thinking about it,

it will affect how I live and engage this heaven and earth. and John's inviting us to see something that's more interesting than that, I think. Because look at the last line when he uses the word new again. If we just had that first sentence, we would definitely have this one completely gone, and it'll be brand spank a new one. But look at what he says here at the end. The one who is seated on the throne says, I am making all things new.

I am making all things new. Now, both in the language John's writing in, in Greek, and in English, just take two words, new things, and swap their order. And will you get as a sentence that says, I am making all new things? But is that what it says? It doesn't say I'm going to make all new things. It's going to, I'm making all things. Now, is there a difference in your mind between those two? There is.

there is in English and there is in Greek. To make all new things says the things that existed before, done never over, new things. But what John actually says is there are things that are right now and they are going to be made new. So which is it? Is the first sentence saying I'm going to make all new things? Or is it the last sentence I'm going to make all things new? Which is it? It's exactly right.

The fact that we're asking the question shows that we have the wrong categories. We don't have the right categories. We have this idea that if something is going to be done away with, that it has no connection to the new thing it will become. And if something is new, it means it's completely disconnected from the old. And John will say, no, sorry, I'm sorry. Language is failing me at the moment. The empty tomb.

the empty tomb. John's not peering into a crystal ball here. He was a witness to the risen Jesus. And where his mind goes is to say, if what happened on Easter is the future of the universe and the future for Jesus' followers, how do we begin to talk about that resurrected world? And he does it with the word new.

Now, we've already nerded out, but can we nerd out of one more thing? And then we'll move on. And this is really fascinating. Because it's a challenge that we have in English. I think one of, is one of the main challenges here. And it's with the word new.

There in the language Sean's writing in, in Greek and all through the New Testament, Greek, the Jewish Greek that the New Testament was written in, has two different words for new. In English, we just have one. New. In John's language, and in the language of the New Testament authors, they have two, and they have different nuances of meaning, and it's important to actually see the difference.

So the first one, it's less common, and you can see it up there at the top. It's called neas, neas. And what English part of a word do we get from this one? This one went right into English, through Latin. Neo, it's not just a character in the Matrix, although that's true. Right, but we put Neo on like the front of words. Make up your own example, but Neo. So, Neos in New Testament Greek,

is primarily referring to the time of something, how long something's been in existence. It's newness of time. Neos is one of the main words. You actually don't see it very often, translate it as new, because the most often way it's used is of young people. It gets translated as a young person.

or a new person, meaning a young person, one who has not lived very long, so it's new in time. But then there is another word, it's more common, in Jesus' teachings, in Paul, and I'll let you guess which word that John is using in Revelation, that doesn't have to do with how long something's existed, it has to do with its quality or its nature. This is a little parable that Jesus told where he uses both words and he plays them off each other. It's brilliant. Where he talks about no one pouring new neos wine into old wine skins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins and both the wine and the wine skins will be ruined. Okay, so let's pause real quick here.

They didn't have zip-lock bags and they didn't have plastic containers. So when, for most humans, for most of human history, when they want to make something that's waterproof and airtight, what material do they have to use? Animal materials, either intestines, tie them up, like sausage, that kind of thing, or leather. So when he says skins here, he's referring to leather pouches that would be sewn together so tight than it would be watertight and airtight. And so this is how they would ferment wine. So they would get neos wine, right? So new grapes. But to become wine, not just grape juice, they need to ferment it.

So they would create and sew together these leather pouches and pour the wine in and seal it up. And when they seal it, what does wine do over the year that is fermenting? What's it emitting through the process? Right. So gas. So what's going to happen to that bag, that leather pouch? It's going to expand. And so they're made out of leather.

So there's a limited number of times that you can do this with a leather pouch because by the sixth or eighth round, the leather is going to, at first it was robust and stretchy and thick, and after another time it's going to be stretched and thin, and then it starts to dry. This is why if you have a leather jacket from 100 years ago or whatever, it's all brittle and you don't get flakes and stuff like that, so it gets dry. Do you get Jesus's point here? If you want to ferment neas wine, you can't use old, dry, thin, brittle, stretched out wine skins. What you need is a kynos wine skin. This isn't about how long the wine skin has existed.

It's about the quality of the leather. It needs to be a leather that's still thick and stretchy and that has a waterproof seam. It's about the quality. and it doesn't did the goat live 10 years or one year before we're going to kill it and then use the skin

oh that doesn't matter how long it's been existed what matters is the quality do you see the difference do you get it Jesus is clever let's just say Jesus is clever playing the two new words off of each other

here is very brilliant okay so let's go back to Revelation and just ask yourself which word do you think he's using he's using kinons a new quality look, I'm bringing about a new kind of creation, a new quality of existence. And the old kind of existence is going to pass away.

And when God brings and invites the world into its new quality of existence, he will be making all things new. He's making new things, but more importantly, he's making all things. new. So what's this talking about? This isn't just talking about material and physical existence. When John talks about the old heaven and earth, and again, you have to read chapters 1 to 20, right? So his vision of the world, as you and I know it, it's a world that is good, that we, who as humans, as God's images, who have been given responsibility over it, we've ruined what God has made good. We've ruined it through our own moral. corruption and our selfishness, and that happens on an individual level, it happens on a corporate

level, a heaven and earth and a way of existing where life is a zero-sum game. It's true in nature. If the wolf wants to live, the rabbit must die. That's just how, like, food chains work. It's woven into the very pattern of the heavens and earth you and I inhabit. And it's true in human existence too. For this people group to have resources, this people group usually loses out on its resources. For this group to have freedom and existence and to live, some other group eventually has to die as they fight over those resources. And for me to win, you have to lose. This is the heavens and earth that you and I inhabit. Do I need to provide examples? Just think of your day yesterday. Think of your workplace and how people compete and one-up each other.

And think of what's happening in politics. Think of those political cartoons, right? Think of what's happening in Syria or in Iraq. Name any human community on the planet. Life is a zero-sum game. For me to win and to survive and to have abundance, usually someone else loses and goes without. and dies. And that's heaven and earth that you and I know. And then into this heaven and earth

comes Jesus of Nazareth, and he has this announcement that God's reign and rule and kingdom has invaded and broken into this, the kingdom of heaven has come to invade the kingdom of earth. And as Jesus summons people to a new kind of life, a new way of living, how did he do it? And he boiled it down for us very clearly. Key moment. He said, the meaning of existence is love. It's to live as God's images and humans under the reign of God and to love God, which is about devotion and allegiance and gratefulness,

and not giving my allegiance and not assigning the meaning of my life to something that's created and not the creator, to love God. And it's also about loving neighbor. They're totally connected, that I seek the well-being of others, even if it cussed me, and regardless of their response to me. And then Jesus, he both taught about it, and this thing we call the sermon on the mount and all of his teachings. And then he didn't just teach about it.

He lived it. He was the leader who was the servant, and he was the glorious, exalted one who gave himself to say, serve other people. And Jesus' vision of the universe and of what God's inviting the world into is that it's, in a universe governed by God's love, life is not a zero-sum game. If I spend myself in love for your benefit, it looks like I lose, but actually I win, because you win. And you got to win in a way that didn't involve you having crushed me. And then you come down and you say, like, wow, you helped me, like, have benefit.

Can I please return the favor? Because you didn't beat me up to take it from me. Are you with me? In Jesus' vision of the kingdom of God, life is not a zero-sum game. And there you go. That's Jesus. And it's not just his teachings. It's not just the way that he lived.

It's what the meaning of his death is. The meaning of the cross is of God becoming human. to take into himself the horror and the consequences of the sin and the evil and the treachery and the hypocrisy and the selfishness of the current heaven and earth that you and I have all produced here, and he allows it to destroy him. He allows us to win and allows himself to lose, precisely for his upside-down kingdom to... And so the resurrection of Jesus from the dead is the triumph. of God's justice, in wrath and judgment on our current heaven and earth and the way of life

that we exist in, but it's also the moment of his greatest love and life because he invites us into a new kind of existence. What John saw happen at Easter isn't just about material existence like getting reconfigured in the future. It's about the meaning of life. It's about a new way of existing that the resurrection opened up. Let me flow this into one idea, and we'll kind of land this and prepare ourselves to take the bread in the cup. Just like John talks about,

the first heaven and the first earth passing away, and a new quality of existence, a new kind of universe and life that God has in store, and he's in the process of making all things new. In Revelation, this is all like at the future, the end, you know, this is where history is going. But notice, in this whole series, this is the same exact language that the other apostles used to describe what's happening inside of you and me as followers of Jesus right now. Right now, because of what Jesus did in his life and death

and resurrection, because of his commitment to us in the presence of his spirit, he's committed to making his people new. Let me just show you two. brief places. This is worth a whole series in and of itself, but just two statements, close together in Paul's writings. Paul the Apostle says, therefore we, followers of Jesus, we don't lose heart. Even though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. We are being made new. Can you guess what word he's using? Neos or Kynos? It's kindness.

So a follower of Jesus is somebody with a foot in two worlds, in the old heaven and earth and in the new heaven and earth. Like you straddle them, my physical existence, but also like when I'm insane and forget my true identity as a follower of Jesus, the way my brain and body and mind works and the stupid decisions that I make, like that's all wasting away. And that should be very clear from the way of my self. skins wrinkling up and the more gray hair that I have in the way that it's painful, even to just

to sleep these days, you know, as I imagine a few weeks ago, you wake up sore. I was sleeping painful, but it is, right? Your body, you feel it. You're wasting away. But that's not the end of the story. Because of Jesus, and especially his resurrection from the dead, there is a new quality of existence that's happening right now that you're being invited into as Jesus' disciple, which is what can next to one of his Paul's most famous statements in chapter five. He says, so then if anyone is in Christ, if anyone has given their devotion and their faith and wrapped their arms around Jesus for dear life, so that what becomes true of him is what becomes true of me, my identity is in Christ and what he's done for me. If that's my reality and my identity, new creation, the old has passed

away and the new has come. That's exactly what John said. The old heaven and earth passed away, and the kynos has come. Now, I don't know how you feel about your body or your life right now. Paul wants you to envision that your old humanity has passed away. And if you're sitting here in a body of your old humanity, you're wondering, really? When did that happen when I was sleeping? When did that? Really? So what does that mean? It's this, it's this, it's a image of having a foot in two worlds. So outwardly, I'm in my old heaven and earth, my old humanity. And it's passing away quite visibly, right? As for all of us. But there's something happening inside of us that Jesus, if you allow Jesus to mess with you in his teachings and his presence,

in his life and his death and resurrection, to really mess with you, what you'll find in yourself, being birthed in yourself is a new way of existing. It's the way of the kingdom. It's the way of Jesus' upside-down kingdom. And there are moments, I wish they were way more often, and you probably do too, where I actually, by God's grace, actually obey Jesus and follow him

and love my neighbor as myself. How many of you know what I'm talking about? And when you do that, you realize like, oh, this is real. Like, this is what I'm here for. and this is what a real human existence is all about. I don't have to win and you don't have to lose for us to weaken, like, reconcile and forgive each other of what we've done to each other. And we can actually find a new way forward in this broken relationship,

or I can find a new way of existing in the world so that other people don't have to lose so that I win. And when you actually obey Jesus and do that, that's what Paul's saying. You're in touch with the new. The new has come. You're actually experiencing new creation, the new heaven and earth, right,

here in the midst of the old one. I know this is all very intense imagery, and I can be very theoretical and ethereal, and that's the last thing that John, the visionary, wants us to feel. John's inviting us to see that you and I live in simultaneously the old heaven and earth

and in the new heaven and earth and that every day I'm invited to choose which heaven and earth I'm going to inhabit and make decisions by and allow to be the filter for how I treat you and how we relate to each other

and we live here in the city. And it's a decision that requires an immense amount of faith to allow myself to undergo loss and inconvenience so that I can serve and love other people for their own benefit. Like this very, it's not natural. It's not, it can become second nature by God's grace,

but that takes a long time. It takes practice. It takes a whole community of faith. People committed to each other to living this new quality of existence. And so I don't know, I don't know what that is for you. As we come to sing and to take the bread in the cup, the question that I would encourage you to ask. What relationship in your life? What person? Like, get a person. Is there a person in your life where how you relate to them, it's the old way? It's the

broken way. And what would it look like for that strained relationship to truly be made new, the way John talks about it? What would it be for the way you approach a difficult situation in your workplace or in your family. What's the new way of doing things, not the old way? It might be your own mindset as your own body ages or as life goes on and difficult things happen and we're disappointed and we lose opportunities and we make stupid decisions and we get in this mindset of melancholy and depression. What does it mean to truly live in the hope of all things being made new. Even though in the present, I'm losing out. I don't know what that is for you, but Jesus knows. And he wants to meet you exactly in that place and help you see how he's making

all things new within us and around us. Amen. All right, you guys, thanks for listening to the Strange Bible podcast. And also, I hope this series on resurrection and new creation has been helpful and thought-provoking for you. We've got more series coming down the pipeline for this podcast, and thanks for listening. Hope it's helpful for you guys. So we'll see you next time.