Exploring My Strange Bible - Life and Death in Genesis 1-3 (Remastered)

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

Heaven & Hell E1 — Popular culture and the media show us many misconceptions about heaven and hell. For example, it may be surprising to learn that, in the Bible, the opposite of heaven is not hell, but Earth! In this first episode of a four-part lecture series, Tim explores the popular misunderstandings and distortions of the concepts of heaven and hell in Western culture. Starting on page one of the Bible, he looks at the themes of life, death, the grave, eternal life, and eternal death. Tim gave this message at Blackhawk Church in Madison, Wisc., on September 30, 2011. OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT View this episode’s official transcript. REFERENCED RESOURCES Find Tim’s study notes for this series here. Themes in Old Testament Theology by William Dyrness Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books here. SHOW MUSIC “Nob Hill (Instrumental)” by Drexler SHOW CREDITS Production of today's episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Aaron Olsen edited and remastered today's episode. JB Witty does our show notes. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey everybody, I'm Tim Mackey, and this is my podcast, exploring my strange Bible. I am a card-carrying Bible history and language nerd who thinks that Jesus of Nazareth is utterly amazing and worth following with everything that you have. On this podcast, I'm putting together the last 20 years worth of lectures and sermons where I've been exploring the strange and wonderful story of the Bible and how it invites us into the mission of Jesus and the journey of faith. And I hope this can all be helpful for you too. I also help start this thing called The Bible Project.

We make animated videos and podcasts and classes about all kinds of topics in Bible and theology. You can find all those resources at Bibleproject.com. With all that said, let's dive into the episode for this week. Okay, this is going to be the first of a four-part series on the biblical ideas or topics of heaven and hell. So very simple, nothing controversial here, folks. The reason I did this series, this was actually quite a number of years ago, but I still feel good about most everything I said and how I framed it.

I would probably tweak a few things differently. But in my years of local church, pastoral ministry, and in my own personal journey of growing as a follower of Jesus, the ideas of heaven and hell, I didn't come with a blank slate when I was a new Christian in my 20s to these concepts. I had already been provided through media and Christian religious media and non-religious media with images and ideas about heaven and hell in the Bible. Most of them were ridiculous, but I didn't know it at the time because they were all passed off as this is what Christians believe or this is what the Bible teaches. So personally, I had a long

journey of trying to sort this out because these popular ideas of heaven as like the golden city in the clouds and pearly gates and hell as a subterranean torture chamber for bad people after death and so on. These ideas are very hard to get out of our imaginations if they're there in the first place. And if you just read the Bible and track with the words heaven and hell, first of all, you'll learn that heaven and hell are actually never used anywhere in in the same sentence in the Bible. The opposite of heaven in the Bible is not hell, it's Earth. And that's why one of the first Bible project videos that we made in 2014

was on exploring the biblical vision of what the heavens are. It was called the Heaven and Earth video. And so in this video, I'm just going out the practical question that I had, that many, many followers of Jesus have, and that many people who don't follow Jesus, but are trying to figure out what on earth Christians believe and why. The concepts of heaven and hell are extremely convoluted and blurry in our cultural setting. So this is really just an effort to clear the ground and help people rebuild these concepts.

It was a teaching that I did. It went from like 8 p.m. until, I don't know, midnight or something. So there's four lectures that are 45 minutes to 50 minutes each. And most of it is just reading biblical texts aloud, starting on page one of the Bible and working all the way through. and understanding the concepts of death and the grave and eternal life and eternal death and all this. And I'll just say this. Prepare to be surprised. I was surprised as I dug into this and brought it all together for myself.

And I find that people are both surprised and also have their imaginations ignited when they encounter what the Bible is actually trying to tell us about these concepts. So that's my preface for the series as a whole. This first episode, we actually just tackle pages 1 through 3 of the Bible. What I found was half of the misunderstandings about the concepts of final judgment or heaven and hell and so on, start not with the teachings of Jesus or the Book of Revelation. Actually, they all start in deep misunderstandings about pages 1 through 3 of the Bible. The very concepts of life and death are explored and developed deep in depth on pages

1 through 3 of the Bible. And if we get those pages wrong, we will misunderstand what the rest of the biblical story is going to be about. And so this first lecture is about the concepts of life and death and human existence on pages 1 through 3 of the Bible, which will lay the groundwork for our understandings of eternal life and eternal death throughout the rest of the Bible. So let's dive in, and hopefully this is helpful for you. I think when most of us think about the issues of heaven and hell, A lot of our images, our ideas about heaven and hell, have been supplied to us by a whole host of different sources, by whatever kinds of images you were subjected to growing up. Like if you grew up in and around church or hearing stories or watching crazy movies. So I think I watched the 1970s left behind movies.

I think I was maybe in fifth grade, totally frightened. You know what I mean? disturbed me for years. If you don't know what I'm talking about, if you've never seen them, you're fortunate. Don't ever watch them. It's all waste of your time. And it'll freak you out. And so for some people, it's inspired by medieval art or whatever. But for better or worse, the images, the ideas that come to our minds when we think about heaven, we think about hell. Some of them come to us from the Bible. But in our cultural setting, many, many, many ideas that we have about heaven and hell are just straight up wrong.

They're just wrong. And they may be purported to be coming from the Bible, but when you actually go to those passages and read them in context, like we'll do tonight, and you, oh, that says something different than what I thought it was saying. So there's one thing, this is just caveat for the night here. If you are comfortable with what you believe and with your worldview right now,

this is not the night for you. All right? So the Bible will mess up all of your theology and what you believe, right? And so if you're ready to submit to the scriptures and to submit to what God is saying here tonight, prepared to be surprised. I'm sure there'll be surprises. I'm perpetually surprised as I dig in deeper and study these issues. So the traditional view, as I at least would represent it on a diagram, this is the view that kind of I grew up with as a little kid or whatever. And it goes something like this. Here we are cruising along in our earthly life. You know, it's this physical world. It's not the worst place in the world. It's corrupted by sin.

and it's mostly bad, and we're all going to die. And then we're going to come to a password moment. And that password moment depends on whether you not you did a set of key rituals at some point in your life. Like saying a certain prayer in the form of some of you know it as like the sinner's prayer, something like that. Or for some people, depending on your background, there's a password moment.

It depends on baptism. If you've come from it like a Catholic bath around or perhaps a Lutheran background, on some kind of ritual, whatever it is, and everything that hinges after that, your life after death hinges on the password moment. Did you undergo the ritual, some kind? And then from there, you are ushered immediately into life after death,

and that life after death is some sort of other worldly, non-physical place of either eternal bliss, singing songs on a cloud forever, or something like that, or in some sort of non-physical, but yet still physical, because fire, place of torture, eternal torment, and so on. And I think that's basically the outline that most people have in their heads with a broad brush, adjusting little details here and there. Nods of affirmation, this is kind of our basic outline. So here's what I would say about this outline.

So there are parts and pieces of it that come from the Bible, but it is completely inadequate to everything that the scriptures do have to say. about heaven and hell. And what I find is among peers of people that I knew, people who've totally walked away from their Christian faith, specifically because of objections they have to the idea of hell. And as I talk to different friends and begin to probe a little deeper, I find the objections that they have are objections to misunderstandings about heaven and hell. And there is plenty to object to, and it's difficult about what the Bible is actually saying about hell, but I think it's important to remove all the obstacles that we can. And so what I'm going to present to you tonight, best as I can discern it, is this may seem presumptuous, but there you go,

is what I'm going to call not the traditional view, but the biblical view. And essentially, let me kind of wrap it up all in a summary here. And then what we're going to do is take it piece by piece and look at biblical passages. And instead of just putting the references of biblical passages. The reason why this handout is 12 pages long is because I've actually included the text of all of the relevant biblical passages in the boxes. So there you go, and we're just going to read them and talk about them together. So here's the basic outline here of what I think is the biblical view of what's happening here. So human beings are made in the image of God, representations of the creator to the world and the way that humans truly,

fulfill that vocation is by intimacy, close relationship, trust, obedience to the Creator. It's what we're made for. And how well does all this go over? Okay. So it's not so well. About a page and a half in humanity takes a terrible turn. And everything hinges on the choice of sin and selfishness. And the Bible links very closely the sin of humanity with the death, our experience of death. Now again, we're going to get into this. This is truly important because the word death in the Bible is much broader than what we think of death is simply biological death. There is relational, spiritual, physical death. The Bible sees all of this wrapped up into one. And so all of humanity is set on this trajectory here. Can you guys see my little cursor? It's set on this trajectory here

of what you call the living dead. We're zombie. Right? So physical death, the fear, the pain, the sense that which, yes, biological death is built into our world, we have a sense for humans there ought to be something more. This is not how things ought to end. And the biblical view is that death for humans is an invader and an enemy in God's good world. It's a frustration of God's ultimate plan for human beings. And so basically, Jesus comes onto the scene through taking on. sinful humanity, dying in our place and resurrecting from the dead, there opens up a whole new way of being human, salvation. And essentially, the choice after Jesus, the least before all of us, is do we want to continue on in our state of living death, or do we want to enter into eternal life? One of the most important things I want to highlight here tonight is in the Bible, hell, and eternal life are not only future realities. They are present realities that go on into the future. In other words, hell is not some surprise twist at the end of the game. Hell is the end trajectory of your entire life.

And if the shape of your life is away from God's grace, away from God's love and his goodness, then you're going to get precisely what you want. And death is simply another step as you go along that trajectory. On flip side, eternal life is something that begins now, and Jesus makes us very clear. And so whatever heaven is, it's a future continuation of something we are supposed to have access to an experience right now. So that's what I'm doing with these two lines right here. And this all happens before we die, whether we live in living death or whether we live in eternal life. This happens before we die. We have physical death, and then kind of the theological term for what comes after, life after death. And what's funny is what's called the intermediate state.

What's funny is about this is that this, for the most part, is that, that's all very interesting. So it seems like I understand how my computer works, but I actually don't. And so that'll be evident tonight. So what's called the intermediate state? There's actually very, very few passages in the Bible that address what happens after death, immediately after death. For believers, there's just a small handful, perhaps about three or four passages. Don't give any detail all except to say that if I belong to Christ, after death, I am immediately ushered into the presence of Christ. I am with Christ. That's all that the Bible says. And it says that's a temporary state. That is not the end game. Same thing goes for people who have rejected

Christ or rejected what God reveals about himself to them. They go to the grave or they go to the grave, the Greek word is Hades. And about what happens to unbelievers after death before the next stage, there is actually zero detail in the Bible. We're just told they go to the grade. We'll impact those passages later. What the Bible is mostly interested in is not life after death. It's life after life after death, as one theologian puts it.

Did you guys catch that? The Bible is mostly interested in life after life after death. And life after life after death is what happens upon Jesus's return. Anabon bringing final judgment and setting all things right in our world and the final resurrection, the final resurrection. And the scriptures is pretty clear that resurrection is not a fate only for believers in the future, but literally every human will meet their reembodied, be reembodied in some sort of transformed physical existence. And if that sounds like sci-fi to you, you know, this is one of those truth is stranger than fiction kind of moments because, you know, our whole faith is built on the fact that Jesus rose from the dead in a transformed physical experience as a precursor to what all of humanity is destined for.

And essentially, what happens is that based on the trajectory of your life before you die, after you die, your fate in the age to come in the new creation is determined by. your life trajectory before then. And so in God's new creation, in a renewed, restored heaven and earth, we're told about two different kinds of people, two different faith, two different stories, those who reign and rule with God and exploring and flourishing in this new world, and then those who exist in a state of and fill in the image, because the Bible uses lots of images to talk about this, people who are on this trajectory right here. Images of fire, images of darkness, images of remorse, sadness, separation from relationship with God. There's a whole host of images, and we'll explore those as they come along when we get to that point. So that is the biblical

view. Now, you might say the traditional view, is it wrong? Well, it's not so much that it's wrong. It's just that it's not enough. And what the Bible is telling is it's actually a much more profound nuanced way of thinking about the human story and about our human stories as individuals. So that's the big picture. My goal is just to lay out the whole map. So what we're going to do is take each part of the moments of the story, read key biblical passages, unpack them, and there you go. How you guys doing? Okay, great. Me too. Me too. All right. Let's begin at the beginning, shall we? We shall. Genesis chapter one, the life of the image bearers. To understand the future destiny of human beings, you have to understand the constitution, the makeup of

human beings. What are we and what are we made for? And here we need to address a huge misunderstanding that most people have about what the Bible teaches about human beings. And that'll come up in the course of, as we're reading these passages. Okay, Genesis chapter one. Genesis chapter one, then God said, let us make man. And let's take a vote here. For how many in the room, does the English word man mean mankind or humanity? Okay? For how many does the English word man mean a male human being? Interesting.

Really? Now, not everyone raised their hands. Not everyone raise their hands. Okay, well, I'm first to raise my hand for the second one. I hear the English word man and I think a male human being. Really? You guys, really? Wow.

Okay. All right. So I was teaching a fresh. class at UW about three years ago and asked that question and everybody raised their hand that man means male human being. So a generational thing. I'm not sure. Anyway, I don't know. So humanity. I prefer the word humanity. Let us make humanity in our image, in our likeness. Let them rule over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, over all the creatures that move along the ground. So God created. Actually, what are we doing?

Come on. Some of you guys know the Hebrew word. Yeah, exactly right. Adam. God created Adam in his own image. In the image of God, he created him. Male and female, he created them. The reason why this is important is our only male human beings reflectors of the divine image? No.

This is fascinating. Male and female. One species? but diverse in identity, somehow the diversity in unity is a reflection of the Creator God. You could say this is the seedbed out of which the idea of the Trinity grows. God is one, but yet he images himself in two different ways in humanity and male and female. Both reflect something unique about the Creator God. He created Adam in his own image.

image of God he created him male and female he created them God bless them and said to them be fruitful and increase in number fill the earth and subdue it rule over the fish of the sea birds of the air over every living thing that moves along the ground a couple of things here so hebrew word image is Hebrew word you see it in your hand out anyone want to take a crack at pronouncing that selim selim is the word there Selim is actually, that's a statue of an Assyrian king. He lived during the kind of later kingdom period of the kingdom of Judah. And that is his Pselam. That's a Pselem.

It's a statue, image. In Hebrew, this is the word also for the word idol. Were the ancient Israelites supposed to make Selim to represent the God of Israel? No, it's a first commandment. Don't make any image to represent God. but can God make images of himself? Sure. Humans can't make images of God, but God can make images of God.

And what are the images of God? So this is really profound. This is God puts representatives, images of himself in the world, and what exactly that means. You know, theologians have been debating that for a long time. But there's something repeated twice here in this passage here about the vocation of human beings. Do you spot it? It's repeated twice. What are we supposed to do? What are we here for?

To rule. Okay. So it's the idea that human beings have a unique capacity and vocation. Just as the creator throughout Genesis chapter one is bringing order and purpose and beauty to the world. He's ruling. He's bringing flourishing into a place of darkness and chaos. It was formless and void. At the beginning of chapter one, he makes a garden by the end of the chapter one. He creates images representative beings who will represent him and what the creator is all about.

And what is the creator all about? Well, he's the creator is all about doing the kinds of things that he's doing in Genesis chapter one. So this is the metaphor, ruling, they're royal representatives of the creator. And so this is the image given of human beings right from the very first chapter of the Bible. And so this is why the stakes are high. This is why the stakes are high for what happens with human beings. human beings are unique, different from animals. We obviously share a lot with animals, and you look in Genesis chapter 1, and we come from the dirt,

and we go back to the dirt, just like the animals. God bless the animals, just like he blesses human beings. But this is a unique trait that human beings have, this vocation to steward, to manage, to rule over all of creation. And so what happens if this goes wrong? What happens if the image bearers abandon their vocation and reject the wisdom of the creator? Well, then all of creation is going to be thrown off kilter. Stakes are really, really, really high.

So the story of heaven and hell actually begins right here. This choice, it's this question for the humans. Are you going to live according to your design and purpose? Or are you going to live completely contrary to your design and purpose? And that is really the two trajectories right there. And what does it mean to live in a way that negates your very purpose in existence as a human being? Well, that would be a great definition of health. An existence that's completely against and separated from what you were actually made for.

So that's the Genesis 1's way of getting at the issue here. Genesis chapter 2 has a different way of talking about the role. and makeup of human beings. And this one is a special relevance to thinking about heaven and hell. So this is the text here, Genesis 2, 7, and 8. The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living being. Now, the Lord God had planted a garden at Eden, and there he put the man that he had formed. Okay, so let's pause real quick here. So, Genesis Chapter 1 didn't tell us anything about how or, you know, what human beings are made of or anything like that. We're just told they're image bears. Genesis 2 gives us another take on the makeup of human beings. And here is a very earthy image.

Well, that was a pun, but I didn't intend it to be a fun. Do you guys catch that? You caught up for I did. There you go. So very, and by early, what I mean is, does God actually have hands? How many of you have ever seen a children's Bible depicting this narrative right here, this moment and the story right here? What's the image? Yeah, it's of like two huge hands floating, like that are disconnected from forming dirt. Has anybody seen that children's Bible?

That's the one, okay, well, that's the one that I had as a little kid. It freaked me out. I was like, what is that all about? So what's going on here? So this is a common feature in biblical narratives. It's called anthropomorphism. That's way too many syllables, but it's a great way to impress people at a party.

Anthropomorphism, right? Anthropomorphism. So anthro comes from anthropos, human morphism means in the shape of. This is a way of describing language in the Bible that describes God in the shape of human features. So Moses has this strange experience on Mount Sinai. seeing God's back, his back, because if you see God's face, toast. So does God actually have a face? Does God actually have a back? Now, these are, this is, this is human beings doing our best

with language to describe God. So Ezekiel sees the divine glory. And what does he see? Not a face or a back. He's like a lion and an ox and a human and a woman. wheel full of eyes and wings and chariot and a throne and a, right? So you're like, holy cow, what's so, so we're at the limits of language. And so the biblical authors often use imagery that's very earthy, it's anthropomorphic, it's human-like. And I think the author just takes it for granted, like, doesn't actually have floating hands, you know, getting down here in the dirt. Okay. So the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground. What's the core idea here? human beings come from and return to where?

Yeah, this is the idea. We go back to dirt and dissolve and so on. When we die, we're deeply connected to the earth. We are earthlings, literally. But we are not simply earthlings. There is a divine spark, as it were. And what's the divine spark? It's the breath.

It's the breath. God breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life. And so here's the idea. Here's the makeup of humanity from, Genesis chapter 2, we are dirt and divine breath. That's the idea. Dirt and divine breath. Now, when I say in modern English, when I say human beings have spirits, every human being has a spirit. Or, even more so, King James translation of these verses right here, I'll throw up this in my Bible program. The King James of Genesis 2.7, the Lord God formed the man of the dust of the ground, breathed into his

nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living. What is a soul in contemporary English? When I say you have a soul or after death, what goes on to exist, at least in the common view, your soul or your spirit. So this is huge, this is huge, especially if you think about heaven and hell. The idea that humans have a non-physical, some sort of existence, some sort of part to us, it's our non-physical part that is meant to live forever. And you call this a spirit or a soul. This is an idea that's completely foreign to the Bible. Let me unpack what I mean here.

So humans are dirt and spirit. It's God's spirit. So this is God's breath. This is his animating life energy. And you can go to different passages in the Bible. We'll see them in a minute here when we talk about death. It's God's spirit that animates all living things. The Psalm of Psalm 104, he says, when a deer is out giving birth in a field and there's new life coming into the world, that's God's ruach breathing new life in the world. Animals have God's ruach animating them. It's sort of, it's the energy. It's the, it's the harm and the buzz of all creation. That's what's going on here. There's a divine energy that sustains human beings. We are dirt and divine breath. Now, the King James translates it as living soul.

The word they translate soul, this word right here, is nefesh. Want to say it with me? Nefesh. Nefesh. Okay. This often gets translated as soul in our English Bibles. And then we usually import a Greek philosophical idea of the immortal, non-physical part of human beings that lives on forever, and we import that idea into the Bible whenever we see the word soul.

But look at something like, and I reference it right here, Psalm 42 verse 1. I'll just put it up here on the screen here. So we'll read it in the NIV here for the director of music, a maskeel of the sons of Cora, as the dear pantis for the, you know that one? As it a dear pants for streams of water. So my soul pants for you, oh God. So is he saying, well, my physical part isn't necessarily thirsty, but my non-physical, immortal part is panting for you.

That doesn't make any sense. What does he mean here? It's poetry. What do you mean here? My soul pants for you. What do you mean here? in the deepest core of my identity, my being, who I am, and my guts, I long for God's presence. That's nefesh.

Nefesh, actually, the literal meaning of nefesh's throat. Because it's where you breathe, it's where you drink. Everything that keeps you alive as a human being comes in and out of your nefesh. It's an idea. I have a quote here from an Old Testament theologian. A soul is the living individual, not in the sense of a separate. indestructible spiritual substance, but in the sense of a concrete, needy, physical life. And so the best way to sum this up, I didn't coin this phrase, but I wish I would have because

it's clever. In the Bible, human beings do not have souls. Human beings are souls. We are dirt and divine brand. All right. Now, the Bible does talk about that human beings are, do have a material and immaterial makeup, and that after our physical death, our immaterial, we do like still exist in some sort of immaterial, non-material state. But is that the way humans were made to exist? Answer, what are humans made to exist as? Dirt and divine breath. We're made to be physical. We're made to have bodies. Humans are not made to exist apart from our bodies. And so it's death that introduces this unnatural schism in between the material and the immaterial. And that's a schism that is this remedy that's changed at the resurrection.

And so it's this temporary state of separation of our material and immaterial for a temporary time brought back together again. That's the biblical view. Human beings were never made to exist apart from our bodies, and we don't have some sort of immaterial, immortal goes on living forever, part of us. That's not what the Bible says. It says we're dirt and divine breath. And there is a part of us that exists after death, but that's unnatural. That's not the way God meant it to be. He meant us to be embodied physical beings. All right, how many did I just kind of spun your brain a little bit? Right there, right? Okay. But that's, I mean, we'll see this. That's what Genesis 2 is saying, dirt and divine breath. Okay. So let's dive back into this next point.

will impact this a little more. Genesis chapter 2, verse 15 and 17, 15 to 17. The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to do what? Work and to take care of it. Is work a result of the curse in the fall? No, no, it's not. You might feel like it. It's been Friday night.

You're like, man, it was horrible week. Whatever. That was absolutely a curse. So I can understand that. This is Genesis 2's way of talking about the ruling of Genesis 1. What does it mean for human beings to rule and steward over God's good world? To work, to show up on Monday morning, and to do your duty, and to fulfill your role in society, in whatever.

And, you know, this text was written a long time ago by people who are mostly agricultural farmers. So farming is the idea here in Genesis chapter 2, to work and to take care of it. And the Lord God commanded the man. You're free to eat from any tree in the garden. But you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. For when you eat of it, you will surely die. Okay, now there's a lot of things going on here that we don't have time to unpack, but not all of it's relevant to the idea of heaven and hell.

Whatever the tree is, whatever it represents, is it symbolic? Is it magical fruit? This is about, whatever is involved here, it's a decision of trust. It's the decision of trust. Will the human beings trust that the creator has the authority and wisdom to define what is right and wrong? And the human beings are going to go out and work and take care of the earth according to the creator's definition of right and wrong? Or are they going to seize the opportunity to define right and wrong for themselves? This is about humanity as the moral choice before all humanity.

Trust the creator's definitions of right and wrong and adjust my views of right and. right and wrong to the creators, or I'm going to ask God to adjust to my view of right and wrong. That's the choice here. And look at what God says here. If human beings take into their own responsibility, the authority to define right and wrong and live accordingly, what will that result in? It will surely result in death. So again, what is death is human death, at least at this point, is a foreign element to the human story. human beings are also given access to the tree of life, which is the original intended destiny of human beings, okay, is for life.

But we can choose death if we want to. This is the first statement of the choice given to humanity here. Disobedience, rebellion, and mistrust results in death. Now, human beings chapter three, eat, right? The woman takes, gives it the husband, eat the fruit. What doesn't happen on the day that they eat it? Do they end up like in a grave, six feet under? In the story?

No, Adam goes on and he lives a long, full life. And then he dies. And the same with eat. So unless the author is inept and has like, didn't think about, oh yeah, Adam's actually going to live a long time in the story, so I shouldn't. Or the word death here is something larger, deeper,

has more facets to it than merely biological. death. And if you pay careful attention to the story, you see that death has more facets to it than just biological death. So I think there's three components of death that are at work here in the biblical storyline. The first thing that happens, and actually, I didn't tell you this, if you have your Bibles open now, turn to Genesis chapter 3 with me. How you guys doing? All right, Genesis 3. So chapter 3 is the story of the human being. Genesis 3 is the story of the human beings seizing the opportunity, the authority to define right and wrong. And look at the woman. The servant said to the woman, servants, crafty, what is the serpent? Don't have time to talk

about that. He said to the woman, did God really say, you must not eat from any tree of the garden? Did God actually say that? Don't eat from any tree of the garden? No, he said don't eat from one tree, right? So the serpent, the deceiver, he's twisting God's words. The woman said, no, no, we can eat fruit from the trees in the garden. But God did say, you must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden. You must not touch it or you will. She repeats God's words. No, you won't die. You won't die. The serpent says, for God knows that when you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God. So there's a tragic. irony in what the serpent says here. What's the tragedy? Genesis chapter one, what are human beings?

They're already like God. They were made to image and reflect God into the world. But you will be like God in taking his authority to no good and evil. The woman saw the fruit, the tree was good for food, pleasing to the eye, desirable for gaining wisdom, took some ate it, gave it to her husband, with her. He ate it. What's the first result of sin and selfishness and rebellion in humanity? The first result, first casualty. Is it relationship with God that were told? No, no, no, not. That all that happened here. The eyes of both them were open. They realized they're naked. They were naked and not ashamed. Full relational openness and intimacy. the images of the creator God, who is himself a community of love in the Trinity, and the humans

mirrored that in that relational intimacy, but then sin and rebellion enters in. What's the first casualty? What you call what you call it here? This is an isolation, a death in the intimacy and openness that were made to experience with other people. This is a form of death. And so they sewed big leaves together for themselves. They made coverings for themselves. Why, the implication is their shame. There's a dash in the relationship. And this is Genesis 3's way of getting at what every single one of us longs for more than anything else.

It's to be known, fully known by other people, fully accepted and loved and cared for, and no secrets, no dark closets that have skeletons in them. That's what each of us longs for, even if we've forgotten it, or suppressed that longing. And that longing that almost never gets realized, and I think never does get realized, this side of G.S.'s return is because of what Genesis 3 is getting here. It's a result of sin. It's relational death. Spiritual, spiritual death. So the most important thing to pay attention to in the story is that they don't physically die on the day that

they eat it. But keep on reading here. Verse 8, the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day. They hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Lord God called to the man, where are you? Where are you? He answered, I heard you in the garden, and I was, I was afraid. There's fear. So there is also another aspect of relational death, but it's death in relationship to the Creator. There's now an isolation from the image reflecting creature and the creator. And so give it whatever name you want. In kind of modern theology, it's called spiritual death.

There's some sort of death here that we're dead to God, not in like Godfather way that God says, you're dead to me. It's not like that. It's like there's a genuine chasm, schism in the relationship, that's irreparable. And so Paul, the Apostle's way of getting this is in Ephesians chapter 2, and he says, and you all were dead in your trespasses and sins. Does he mean physical death here?

Can he possibly mean physical death? No, because he said, you're dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formally walked, or this is Paul's metaphor for life as a journey, or life as a journey on the path, in which you're dead. you lived would be also a good English translation in which you live. You're in living death. You're in living death. That's what I was trying to get at with this picture right here, is that sin and rebellion puts human beings on a trajectory of you're physically alive, but you're spiritually dead. This is a core claim that the Bible makes about our whole world, is that apart from God doing

something about this, we're the living, we're zombies. That's what we are. Right. So, you know, we would all cameos in I am legend or something, zombies in New York or something. Do you guys see I'm legend? Okay, it wasn't that great. But yeah. So it's the living dead. Who's behind the cause of living death in the world? You were dead in trespasses and sins in which you formerly walked or lived according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, this is Paul's kind of mysterious reference to the personal form of evil. It's behind all of the evil that we experience in our world. It's a spirit of evil that is now working in those who are disobedient. So it's a spiritual death. Spiritual death that's

taking place in Genesis 3. But then also, physical death is in the mix here. And the classic one is later on in Genesis 3, you have it on your hand out here. By the sweat of your face, God says to the man, you will eat bread until you return to where? To the ground. Why? Because Genesis 2. From the dirt you were taken, you are dust, and to dust you will return. So does that mean that human beings who are dirt and divine breath, does that mean that our existence is overdone?

annihilated. No, no. There is an immaterial part to us. It was never meant to exist apart from a body, but God sustains it until it is reembodied. And this is talked about in just a handful of biblical passages. So Ecclesiastes chapter 12 says, remember your creator in the days of your youth before your back gives out, for your eyes, lose focus, for your hearing goes, for your knees hurt, whatever, before the days of trouble come. Before the dust returns to the ground, it came from, what passages does the author of Ecclesiastes have in mind here? He's got Genesis 3 on the brain, right? He's probably reading it the night before, right, when you went to bed. Before the dust returns to the ground, it came from, and the ruach returns to the God who gave it. So,

this is the author of Ecclesiastes way of saying the physical death of humanity. It's not good. It's part of the days of trouble. It's not what we're made for, but it's not the end. The ruach, that identity of who you are is sustained by God's spirit and somehow it's reconnected to God's presence. That's all he says. This is a hint. Little hints here. Job chapter 34 says, if God were to take back his ruach and withdraw his ruach, all life would cease. And humanity would turn again to dust. Job has also been reading Genesis chapter 3. So again, it's this idea.

Is the ruach our ruach, our spirit? Is that what Job is talking about here? No, it's God's ruach that sustains and animates that immaterial part of us, that was never meant to exist apart from our bodies. God has a future, despite sin and rebellion and the curse of death, God has a future, and it's sustained by his ruach. There's some sort of immaterial part of us. That's all we're told. It's all we're told in the Hebrew Bible. Key implications. Are humans in and of themselves made to live forever based on Genesis 1, 2, and 3? Answer, in and of ourselves, are we inherently immortal?

answer? No. So eternal life, immortality is a gift from God. In the world of Genesis 1 through 3, that's embodied with the tree of life, right? So you go to Genesis chapter 3, 24. God has a conversation with himself. You can do that if you're the Trinity. Lord God said, actually here, I don't want to read King James. Take that away. Lord God said, look, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. And now he might stretch out his hand and take from the tree of life and eat and live forever. Is this good for humanity to live forever in a state of spiritual relational death? Answer, no. So cast out from the garden, from the divine presence. In other words banishment from God's presence from the possibility of immortality is a gift. It's a grace.

Because God doesn't want us to exist eternally in our sin. So humans are not inherently immortal. It's a gift. It's a gift. And the human's soul, whatever that immaterial part of us is, is not immortal in and of itself. It's only immortal in as much as God's ruach is bound to it and sustains it, keeps it, preserves it for a future reembodyment. So death brings this unnatural schism between our material and immaterial. It's not part of God's plan. It's not being apart from our body is not a desirable state. And even Paul, he says it's to be with Christ,

but he knows that there's something better coming after that. According to Genesis 2 and 3, human immortality is a gift from God that we forfeited through sin. And the rest of the story is, how is God going to return that gift? How is God going to fulfill the original design plan for humanity despite our sin and rebellion? The current state of the story then is all humanity exists in a state of living death because of our sin. And that's the problem that has to be solved.

So unanswered after reading Genesis 1 through 3 is what is that immaterial part? Where does it go? What exactly is it? How is God going to reverse this problem? How is God going to get people back in bodies again in a? the creation that's not ruined by sin. That's, well, the whole rest of the storyline. It's about...

All right, I hope that was helpful for you. From here, the rest of the three lectures on Heaven and Hell are going to move into the ideas of death and the grave in the Old Testament, then on and to the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament. So, onward and upward to you guys. Thanks for listening to exploring my Strange Bible podcast. Feel free to spread the word and share the love.

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