EXTRA ANORMAL - 102 | Investigué uno de los casos de POLTERGEIST MÁS FUERTES

Episode Date: August 3, 2023

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Hello, A lot of What a podcast extra anormar. Hello, how about, people more of podcast extraanormal? My name is Pacuarias. very happy to start

here with all this occasion I'm very very content because again again my

good friend Antonio Samudio how you my caris my carito how am I'm thank you pardon me

that you reduct in diminutiv and with with carino thank thank you thank you for

the invitation thanks to your public thank to all those those who are all thank you

thank you all of you many of your followers they uniered to the community

of the Agents of Negro. Venga. I want to I want to let's have let's promise. Adelante,

I'm going to get a abonando to your channel because evidently we need to give us

much likes but also that me help me to grow the channel of the channel

of the agency Mexican. Ambos we're trying to get to minimum 50

000 followers so then then then let's the man because we

let's a start a concept my my dear Paco okay

that has many we have done, that was the, it's of the

agent's of the people, so that not know the person, or who not know a little

of the pasto of the agency, we're we're on a matutino in the

bar of television Mexican and there they put the motto of the women of

it's something that's a very curious because we did we've been we've got to

we're we're always as very formal, it's for us for us. The color black refers to seridad, sobriety, you know, is the idea of

always emphatized with serity of objectivity. It was a concept of image. Okay. But no with lentes oscuros. I'll talk to this little brevary because much people say, well, and why agents of general? Yeah, we've

said, because we're a agency Mexican of investigation paranormal. But always there's a pasto there. A occasion in a program in special of Milagros, that is, that is a them-a-so for other podcast with you when you're going. Venga,

welcome. The producer, and they say, if no has any case of Milagros, no, they're going to the program in Puebla here. Okay.

And we're, let me, how not we're going to go, if we're part of the bar of your program, so you know, minimum,

invite us, or give us, give us chance to offer to offer you something. Okay. And I remember that he said, no, no, no, no. If not try in any case of

miracles, not is your theme. So, their theme are some phantasmus. And there's the error very grave that many people have, and that producer, it's a personerneral, nothing more remit apparitions and phantasmas.

Is correct? To all the terranal, and not is the fact, the phenomenon that barca, all the things that don't have any explanation logico-cientifica,

is an investigation paranormal. So, so it's a good or malo, simple. All the type, Paco. So, it can be like

something like something very, very, very serious, and there's in the ambit that I'm talking. Okay.

I did a refresh with my companyer in that then and I said, you know, we're going to get out of the

program. I mean, we know, we're just, like, for that we know, to you know,

at these not you know, because the agency Mexican had an opinion well, very scientific and

objective, always in that time. So, so I don't we're going to be able to see that

special. And between the analysis of the investigations of the agency, I remember

very young Paco, I'm talking to talk about about 12 years, if at and we

got to a church that was the second of my brother, you know,

my parents always have been people, my family always Catholic,

I don't professed any religion, but then And then, you know, you're saying, well, you're going to ask, gaw, no, there no, there no is a question, GAO, yeah, yeah, yeah, no is a recommendation, it's an indication.

Exactly. So, well, there are you, and something that'surprended, of that capilla, that's in the City of Mexico, is that there were some, uh, one, those, uh, retratos very grandes, of a hostia that had sangraed. Okay. You're talking of a case For the most

very controversial in the time of the 77, 77, 78 78, almost are the 80s These are the

called stigmas? Something something like the stigmas but with an ostia The hostia is an oblea

like of a piece of a piece of this like these like these like these

like And there are some obelaces for the iglesias for a ritual that the Eucharistia or the consangration of the hostia.

That is the representation of the body of Christ. That is in his more than the most non concept in the religion Catholic. Well, I've seen

a series of photographs, Paco, that to me since the 12 years I was so a sombracitism, well, all the

flochera that me'd go to get to the church and me dormia because me aburried for 12. That was

That was, that was fascinating because I recorried to the photographs of the case of the osia that sangro. Wow. Well, I'm, I'm, I'm going to flash a little

more advanced to 2006 when I did the projector in a nova if no, if no, I don't have any case, I don't, so I don't,

so there you know, so there you know to that church to look the data more precise of the osia that sangro. But this is

an episode for a large, I'm, I'm going to I'll go to reveler with time and with photographs. With say to

that he's a program in Puebla was just a part of the Awebos for that us know

like the those, the Homes of Nehler. There is where the proper

Alfred Adamer, the conductor the call a manned a manned a little in this program

special of Puela we know because we were some lents but

all they're in gaffes oh no mamones. We put the dentists because there were some lampas immense of the production of Televisa

Puebla, that even to two companions to us, it was afto in the retina, imagine to see. Ah, the life. So, yeah, if there a, uh,

a justification of why we use them because we use them lightes oscures in this program. Well, Alfredo came with lends oscouros,

the and bright with the blet with the lends oscures and the major part of all the set of the I was in the morning of the

mesa, they were with the lenses scoos. We used we put them lenses because we didn't

do you know the the pupilla. Okay. The red, the, yeah, the, the, the,

the, yeah, the, the old, let me know, us try them, us try we're ourselves of the

ostia-sangent. Uff. But, agarate, you know, so, the most cool of the

thing, not was, that there Alfred Darns, he said, Andrews Amudio,

my other partner, the g, the The Soms of Negro. So, he said in vivo and a all color,

Cabe. Wow. Because the two trage of a negro, corbata and white, because we

vestymos, and then we gothas. The Gaffas. The Gapes. Well, not was only the

Mote that did so that this day, because we put us in the mess of that debate, of that

mess of debate, with a racio ecsticic, was the Father Jose of Jesus Agilar,

that is the communication social and the church of the archidosis primate of

Mexico and other other cura when we're when we're talking about impartial

the case is something so I'm very curious all my my my colleagues other

colleagues that are that is the virgin of the that the virgin of

the that virgin the virgin of the the of the metro so

so pardon but puras falacias so So, when we pass them to us, we're just going to be the ultimate,

and then we know, and we said, Alfred, let me, Agency American in investigation for me to know the other men, the number of

the men, the case of this time? We know, we know the hostia sangrante of the city of Mexico.

Ching, and he I'm sure a pincherfoil of the archivos. Ah, the mother. And the

first that's me abient on the father of Jose of Jesus Aguilar. That's not true.

No, no, know, you know know You know, you know, that program we've got

we've got to we've got to reaccio and very, very underground. The video. And I'm going to be there

so it was very marked the motte of the mott of the black this day because if he would have

said and we've done the of the Talcoe obviously no, because we

we're we we're not we're also another line editorial but that day as he did

so much he did just I'm going to I'm going to do this in the tintero in that

then the cardinal that was like the sum pontific practically of Mexico

yeah we're put us no more I'm going to just I'm going to the production of

TVisa until we're getting to the mer mer mer car because we're

because we're putting on the kios yeah well is that is that

they're talking things very sensible and no no

A doubt, well, maybe not is the theme of the night, but no me important. That video, that dure

what has to do you know, we're going to grab 12 of the night, then for me no, no problem.

I have a question, I know, I've got a much time, and this you can be

in view as a second, a second theme. I don't have a authorization

to say this, but I think it is a point to say it in this moment that we

are talking the thing of the miracles. Uh, and I found a congregated

in a church. This church does transmissions in vivo. From a telephone

cellular, I mean, so it's a church, I can't say, Evangelica, Christiana.

Okay. They have the cults the days domingo, and it's a place where see things

very supernatural. I don't know in the fan of evangelizing to anybody. So,

this is this mere v. It's an archiv more. Exactly. What is the

abombroso of this a week there. There was a comment about it's

transmitted from a telephone and the transmission is directly in Facebook that

this domino passed things asombros in that in that in this church

and not I'll say the number so this I do with the affan of the

that passed things in the moment that so did

but but in a group of WhatsApp where my

spouse started to check the the repetition of in the en-vivo

in the minute total. It's something something. I went to the

in-vib so I can't do you don't have the authorization of the church

and I want to do things but I do you do you do you do

see a light that gets to the sensor to the

camera but it's so it's that's it's so it is that

really really it's like a mariposa that see so, that's

that's move rapidissimo. Descargues the video and I went to a program of edition

to see for quadro. Oh, man, what you see there,

I'm a sombrough like you don't an idea. You know, that's the pen

she's put because I'm sure I'm sure that I'm sure that what we did in

that video was an angel. Bage the video to reproduce the quadro

So it's So, it's a velocity tremendous That's a That's even Wondon For a quadro

We could even The whole moment In the Cere This iser So it's Mostro Before we

How it I'll describe Like it's A person Orando And this He gets And it's

Posa After she It's A figure Umanoid But But it's Like

meters approximately, an entity that's a large of the light, that's a marilla

like that's light. Then it's the moment in how does a movement

like he put, it's agach, she impulsa but in that moment it's so the

quadro, the picture me let me let me to make to make to the

time. But in that part people, they can see the eyes, and they

can be like the feet, but some the feet grandiss The next

Choir, is to the altar, so on the altar, and disappearce. All that does it in

seconds, millesimates of seconds. The people in the church was that not, I said,

that was that was the transmission in Pibble, directly captured from a telephone in

Facebook, but to the they don't not, they're not thought in barhals

and they're like a mariposa. That's me what I did I when I'm

what I think to be being is the representation physical of an

of an angel I'm I'm surprised a good carnal you know I can share the

video it's clearissimo manno so be clearissimo and the impression

is that is that it's how it's in the scriptures so

neta that that's that's that's something that I know

that's something that has done really has been the church

and not being bocer or much less, I don't me I don't even I'm religious.

I mean, I'm my postura is zero creency and more in those concepts. Independientiment of that I

investigate cases that are related and are in directly or indirectly with the church, ohio, but just that

is the measure that we're just the kind of the camp of vision intermedio between

the discernment of the possibility is a possibility no. So, something is an

carefully to the church and in those have an assertivity

incredible is how vending with the context that I'm doing, how

vending the evangelization with what person is under

what context and but if we we we're

we we're we not only only sacred scriptures that they're

not but also also not by books apocryphos okay very

known for many many many for example the apoc

enoch Anok Salomon Judas all of these all of these

were also they were their testimonial and that testimonial also

was like an an indice of those characters biblics

and not only only only the persons that you you see in the Bible, if not those

characters extraordinary how is the concept of an archangel I can't talk about the theme

archangels and angels that is super extensive and super profound. With based to the

for me I am a fanatic of Enok in the case of that person biblical

that is the scriva of the archangels for example. I can you can't talk of

demonios because I am fanatico of the grand For example, no, clavicles

salumonics and other no me consider I don't know to monolog or even an angelologist

like much they're in there and they're a sartre of stupidesses so. So,

pardon, you know, so you know, but if you're basically in the

reptables in the concept of the church in the time medieval that

that we remember to the clero was a clero was the clero had influence

in all parts. totally. So, and well, in the actuality, also it's his,

his powers factical, no? Yeah, of there comes the concept that I'm about the hostia that

sanglowe and imagine a case, a case that was deported by, I'm talking about

the 80s and we went to desentran in the 2006 in a program super popular

seen by millions of people and puta because we caused much noise, car. We, we just there's a lot, and just there

where, for that retom, a little bit of the case in the way that I'm going to be starting, because the church has many tentacons. And, between all the tentacles are many powers, now under the conception of the Arangels and Archangels,

there's many variants, but, for example, the equipment, of which all you're saying, well, no, has been a creency, or so, no, you know, you can't talk to that an equipment has a

specific because they're in a place where it's a place this type of adorations not?

Sure. So the team electronic no has been the equipment. Exactly. He grabbed what

he put, and what came to you in your perspective, as Paco did you know that's a

manh, she be incredible, see an angel. Okay. We're going to the motion of that you want to

give us the video, it's totally in secrecyia. Yeah. Oh, because we're

a agency never never reveled nothing if it's authorized for the person that we

distribute or for the person original, the testigo or presential. Never reveled nothing. So,

we'll be the perspective of my collaborators, I'll be the perspective of even the most

racios escious and to and to see what is what it is the okay

because even the perspective sesgated of the creencia can formulart

a possible vision that you recreated in your mind with based on the video if the video has a form

specific like what I mean you're saying in a temple as well probably we'll we'll probably we'll look

another type of explanation okay there's a phenomenon that's in the parpsychology

the phenomenon of the egregoras that is an egreg the aggrora is a cumul of emotions

that are that are that are in a space is determined. We're a church, an hospital, a funerary even in the house of

all of you. It's always a psychoemotions. I call it psychomotions that are... Like a thought of a whole, for so to say to say it. Yes, exactly. You're just living, the birthday of your brothers, the brothers, the of your mom, the

mother, and in that moment there are psychomotions of algaria, of a legion. That's generate an cumulative energy that is he called egregora in the concept of

the classificated of the parapsychology and the egorgia can make materializations okay

yeah so a be there there's for so me when I took

a interview a interview with a good Edward Scotto he I'm

a brand a brazo and he just he just he said I go wait

is that I'm that I'm that you Ojo, eh, at the moment

of that I am I'm going about the care and I'm in what you think you think in this

and other is that I think of the belief of the I'm saying and it's saying, and you're saying,

I, yeah, yeah, I see that's I'm not. At the moment that I want to believe

in the conceptos about the sex files, the I want to believe is very

powerful. Yeah. And the I want to create, can conceptualize and generate some type of materialization of something. No important that it is, Paco.

You can't be as a tenue as what you said, the video that you passed, or no see if you did it, or it could be simply create your own miracle. I just to do you, I mean, miracles decodifieds in History Channel. I said, even

it was very good as a remade of two episodes. I said, The ser human has the capacity conform to the God's in grace to create their own to

what I'm saying what I'm saying what I'm saying what I'm saying that's about the power of the faith? At the final

you know, the power of the faith and the people and the people are all all in concerted

in a same point repiting and one and another and I'll say something of that

that, of that that cult was the two people that were that were that went

in Cia of Ruedas, they They're so So I'm in the fanned evangelize,

I'll repeat it, it's a event because you do you know, not because if it's

something that has to be that they're not a normal, so really it's, because the

people in a principle thought that was like a a mariposa but

a mariposa of a lot but nobody nobody nobody said to get to

let me let's the example that the first example

that I did I loomented My companions My colleagues And I'm a Salus Everybody

They've been Virgienes Wue I mean The Virgin of Like it Like a mad Of a

Perro With all I've I've seen Yeah I've Yeah I mean

I said No you're You're I'm You're Neita I

I'm I'm I'm You know I'm I'm investigated or to I can't

talk about about about about about Garabandaica although I'm a great friend who is Daniel

Munoz in which I'm going to connect to because is that weye is shhle

super nat knowcedor of the things of myel man Daniel Munoz I'm going to

pass his contact for that you're going to I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry

I'm so you know you know the investigators in the community and we we're

we're going to we're we're mysteries and we we're just reparting and do you when I said

the virgin of the jabon honestly for me it's a rizori at the hostia that sangro because the hostia

that sangro took all the analysis scientific and for to have to have been they're not

they're it's there was there was there was intervention scientific to determine

that effectively that effectively that that pedas of blea sangro Wow. There was determination of the classification of the

Sangre that no had a classification. No. There was a. B. O.R.H. No. There was a dictamence scientific of those laboratories very recognized in that age of the 80s

by the media more recognized in that time of Mexico. Dozwey. Juan Pablo II Accepted the miracle. Oh, no. That's a year.

Yeah, when Juan Pablo Second, accept the miracle, He says Camar Gamelo that is the Monseigneur Camar Gamelo that is the

Osia that Sangerot Well, Felice of the life, Gavre, he was to get to the Osia that

sangro. Three, we. Those obleas discompone naturally. Yes. They say,

when you don't occupy the those who are those who are, you know, the ways that get and

they come in the oboea and those that are not, destroy. Okay. So, so they saw, they were, when they started, they put it in the water. So, so, they surprised. They were, well, okay, yeah passed. In no, no moment, they thought in his

heads in a first moment of doing it, because it was public, because they were public. They were in a ritual where they were the feligresies. Okay. The pus in the water, no, so, there was all the elements there, that I said to producer. Sasmammon, I mean, I mean, I don't I take a car

one of the prequias that's that you want the, well there's tobacco. The Vatican by me of Palo,

there are two actas firmas for the Vatican. And in those actas

they're they're they're so sangro the hostia but although

not it's classified the same not can be the Christ

because Christ is in the Christ is the No, You know, I read And so, you know, they're in acts

Enormas, where they're Yeah, yeah, with the firm of Juan Pablo 2nd, wei. I, when I read I said, you know,

you know, you know, that's patiening the Pesebre, we know, Oh, so you're saying, oh, so you know,

that's so you that's incredible, yeah, is incredible that a piece of a piece of a, of a stia

of a lot of that, boy, so that's, that's, that, yeah, yeah, you know,

Right. Right. You're in a temple, just what I I just what I've said to commentar. In the case that you've narrated, you're in a temple, there's a converge, a lot of gregoras

accumulatives of the faith in adoration to that God, that's there, so, so no discarta the fact that you that not is

the blood of Christ, because if Christ in the skylors, no, it's because you're in the temple of Christ. And the representation of Christ,

is the Cuerpo of Christ well No sasmamon I said So there's There's

There's many There's I mean I'm saying Why do with this Why don't you They're They're

They're They say In the Vatican And so me it He said The vicario Tarsisio Mote

That was the He was the He gave All those Elements Erman We know We're

We're We We're You know how we haven't we're doing books, like,

okay. That's, that's investigation, sir, no, mamas. So, we're going to

start, we're going to never, but no, it's been a lot of, but it's been a

man, but we're we're not we're sure, Paco, were all right, and not they're not

books, we, that not were a book, that was, I'm, I'm, you know,

to be about the other the studies, and for a But, well, for about them is a context more underground.

And not I'm talking of all, they're little riskicious, because there are details more well. Well,

the way that he he did he he did he do the way that he did he do the analysis to the iris of the Ayate of the

Virgin of Guadalupe. Alah, a man, a man, yeah, a guy, you're, you're,

you're, you're, you're, of the official, of the official, of the official of the official of the proper

Iglesia when they said, when they were, way, the Ayate of the Virgin, Maria, here's the virginita of all the Mexicans with all respect. My parents are Catholic-devotos of the Guadalupana.

I have respect, but I, I'm like, well, there's, there they did those analysis, and there was a way that he analyzed the iris of the Yatel of the Virgin. And there

he found out of, well, the reflexe, no? The reflexe on the iris of ojo of Juan Diego. Yes. So, that's Cabroncissim,

that's That's going to say a thing If I'm going to try In controversy Because here Many people

They're Oh, But that's We're in the Agencia Pardon They're in the Agencia

In the podcast In the podcast Extra Anormal Vanga Total that I did One thing I said

Okay If it was a picture Ohro that I'm going to I'm I'm going to I'm

about this in my Larrows Decodificates If it was a Pintura The Maestre For a prodigal

Angeal, Cabron No, Miguel Angel, whey For that no I'll terminate The primary

Wwee Buskin Who, Who, I mean, I've I've seen The job

is something Really Wait, me, that's in Chabro Well, there's

back Because you You, well, the Lord, the iris of the virgin where

it's where it's where it's vision of Juan Diego when he gets the roses at the Cerro T. Peiak, if no I'm a record. Yeah. And,

and the roses, if in the rosas, it's plasma the psychography. So, it's determined, within the parapsychology, where it's a possible psychoimagine of the Virgin. Well, that's

the history that all the Mexicans, we know, we're very present, those that we've goters catonics. Yes, I agree. I'm 100%. When you say, well, you You're you, and if it's a man, it's, it was a great,

a great proecese of a man, that's he gothryphed, so they're brought to Italy, of Greece, to be where ching a lot?

Because it's a picture a bad, but mal plan, we, I mean, so when I'm a bad plan, it's on the ramb,

very cabron, of the cabron. Yeah. If you think, in that but there you go, the way who does the

way that's the way that's the way that's the And, effectively, is just the Camp of Vision of the Virgin of Guadalupe with Juan Diego and the Rosas. Oh, manches. That same,

that's the same, way, Paco, he did those analysis to the osse that's anglo, way. No, no, mames.

So, is that is just the where I said to the Englishia, why do you? So, you're, you're,

you're, you're, you're, you're just, what you're saying in debate, cab. Well,

that's the program of Paco, the producer said so, man, that's a lot of, before,

they were yeah, well, they're still being being called, but before they were

in the carina, well, to the studio, and they they said my opinion, no?

And those boys were passable, you know, Paco, they're bonches so every minute,

way. Oh, that you can say that I can't say that program was over mexico.

Wow. And you know why? Because we we started controversy very gabrona much of

many of many people are in this church wow I think wait I remember that they said

in the air entramed in the letters yeah and Alfredo said is that

there's there's that here in my chaquette writing that's that you're

you're not the miracle of the church and he said to

Jesus of Jesus Agile so of Jesus Agile so since chist

that says that is that is Commulgated. No, she has a mom. So, you know, she's Camel, the cabron.

You know what I mean? Is commulgar of a church? That's what I mean, that exiled are, way. That's yeah no is part of the Gremio of the Gremlin, and that practically is apocrypha. For who is, uh, you know,

entielder. It's, uh, or is, uh, of, uh, deudosa. Procedency. Wey, he, he, he, a level national, and no, mamas. And, they're gonna get, yeah, ma'amas. we're

We're going to get us Oh, la Vida! What disaster is that have done to have done. Well,

manis. So, it was a cumul of all. Adden the madraso where we put us

the church that he had it was a god And that's well they said

no man we're we're they're they're they're in the mother

to oh to, uh to Veng the All

all the programs matatinos of that bar that were

the were in those bars they we just didn't in the

mother, I mean, I said, the Rating he's went to a type of noticiero,

no, no, but it's that's you know, that's the time, I mean,

in Mexico, the religion Catholic is, I think is the religion more

and in all the world. Now, the thing, mixedado a

bit with the paranormal, the supernatural, and that have to be mixed with the

religion, is the boom perfect and the audience perfect, the controversy,

the debate, so this of law in this year I've got to have come to have gone to all the

Rinkones of Mexico but it impressive Samudio what one I mean what you can

appreciate when we have when we're actually a very a very phenomenon as you

do you that's the point we know we're just for that we're just just for

the case of the Virgin of Gabon and all those cases that were honestly for me

fallacies I was a phallas because it could have been a paradolia that he's formed for some reason and he entered

the Gregora well so the people see here's here's the American'sit the miracle

no and whey he they're they're they're the statues in the churches and

the last but but here when we we're when we're we're we're

we're we're we're in that the church in that the cardenal

so I'm Norberto Sabritas boy So I'm No, it's a phenomenon Impresonant

Fifate that I don't know At the time I mean I did the clavo when you

Describes how is the phenomenon paranormal The phenomenon Well, is real or so

exists in any way and of any it has not it precisely

something something something something there There various cases

that during the first grabation the people was fascinated

with the case that you have to be with the nagualism the the diableros

because I mean was one of those people who was known for that but there

an investigation that me is causing doubts for all others that you you're

talking before I'm I'm so I'm I'm okay okay

of the Potter of the Narbarte I think I'm I think that's

exactly and in this occasion, if we're going to pass for there an image for that, I I don't know

if it's a sure, I'm going to do you want to do you want to do the materiales that we're going to get the context

principal. Okay. It's commented in different interviews. Revised, no,

no, there's change of testimony or nothing. Textual, what is what what's what's

what's said? A kid two-tant years, I've been to live phenomena very strange,

where And when it begins to intervene in his form of working, in his life everyday, it's deterioration. His

old wife worked in an aerolina and then was that she not was in time when they were

and then they're going when they're okay. When I talk to things very underground is

a person solitary in this then with all the stress of his work because

no he had a job common and that they were in a department that he

rented with the simply with the notion of this is the department of my

and my and our life to live our life no in no in no

in any moment he happened that was a and it was a

department new is something that is something that is something very

very emphatic Op because much people think that forciately the

those phenomena are to reproduce or produce or manifest are in places lugubes. Antigues.

Antigues. Abandonedos and those give the hand-mone not is so. Well, this

was the case. Well, that we don't know that we interrup but there

we can analyze that maybe the construction is recent but we know what what happened

in some the terrain in the place years after. Well,

there We thought exactly in the same that you said, okay, we're going to to analyze a little more the terrain. When I say, Compartime in the location,

the locality of this place. We started to investigate the antecedente historical. Yeah. A level this

architectonical, what you want, the fraccionability of that area is in the Narbarte. In the Narbarte

if there are cases but very, very isolated, and not are so strachament in the perimeter of that

of a, I mean, I don't tell you can't say, like, for example, in front of the Panteon Dolores, the Panteon Dolores, if no more I remember,

if it's Dolores, I think is the that's the front of Constituents. I think it's Dolores. If no, I go,

let me comment, but there a, there's a pantheon in Constituentes where even is a moira, is a grand

house embrugated in the city of Mexico, and not is the thing, I, I, I'm to put an example of that

that, that in the fractionation when they're fracionar all the terrains and

there was an installation of the property the pantheon, the pantheon

was when they were to make that zone because had a plus valia ala

ala gorro they said we're we're we're going to occupy

the quarter part of the panteon Dolores in

that in this sense there is there there is a there

I'm referring with the investigation we we we

fundamental in the Archive General of the Nation, if there were these zones with this type of situations. Okay. In the case of Narvarte, nothing. So, no there was a terrain that in

some time of the revolution or in some time in the proper independence or there was a massacre. No, there was exactly, the registros and not there was a level historical,

something to fundamental the because of the situation. Okay. Well, the Yeah, the Yamada was very

impactant the of his parents before that this he was contact

me I remember perfectly and I was in a festival of cinema

we we were doing a tour insolite and we

were and I'm just preparing my guys to

and me and I'm said the Mr. Samoyos yes

the agency Mexican for America for my My son is

becoming loco. Ah, so that was the call. My son is

going to okay. Because it's where we're where we're in the first acercement

Paco, we always we say to the people, do us not occultes nothing for

very incredible, for very irisorio that you think you can be to hear

for the pain to say puta that you can say to

us you can tell but for to know if he was the causant in having

practicated some type of, no see, ritual or having have opened a

door or or something? Sure. Or, look us all the various, all of the

but just in the proper rhetoric with the testigos that are in turn

to the individual presential in this case the testigo presential

to the person that the is primordial that we need contact with all his family members

how they've narrated, who they've been commented, what was the first the first the first

to say, oh, you know, you know, that's what I'm so that's an antecedent a level

this indagatory that we make a after a after after that day,

I'm going to the city Mexico and the Marches yeah he was talking

to the office okay to this person when when I go with her

mother and I'm and the endemano us also as a agency Mexican and investigation

paranormal we're always we're even the filial of the person what I

mean I'm saying I'm talking but I'm analyzing all your gesticulation your form to express

that is where the psychology the eloquence to all all so all so we're

we're doing we're some questions reiterative some retoricas not you don't you

you can you know, because what we try we're trying to is that we'll do you guys specifically the details where we can determine possibly a

camp of vision hallucinatorio or a evidence totally palpable of something that's that's so

well, very affected this chau very impressioned and the first that me said,

I want to you see this before that I I talked and me he's the first videos the

video of the first videos of those we're going to pass here in your channel is a

internet no mamme no ma'am no ma'am no

my no no my no it's an interphone of

his department where he starts the sound rare is something

very curious because the sound that the interphont was like statica. Okay. It's something fundamental in the

investigation paranormal that has to converge this type of energies electromagnetic and statics.

For that they're doing in the uses. Much of it's a cliche of a

pericle of terror, yeah. There's a variation that the spirit does by the

electromagnetism that is in vana? Yeah. For me at level energetical,

ojo, who no has passed for this matter, if it is a personer or affectionate,

no has been because, but if you're, or you feel as an expert,

is a base. The spirit are manifest by the metromatism. Okay. Determinado

by great investigators in the period of the century and to our

in our times. Well, so. So, so, so, then,

so, there's energies statics. And in the video is it's like static. So, you know, you know, you're going to have in the videoclip, you're going to perfectly to him, grabando, nervioos, expressing

things very, this, of fear, I mean, yeah, if he had a favor, and it'd be grabbed. Wow. The, the, the interphone, no, no, no, no, it's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it's, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, they're, it's, And he Acerca Asia. Ah, the It's when I said,

I said, I'm the I'm a I'm a two meters of the interphone But the phone But the phone So,

And so And so And so No, Mammes, no mames, no mams. Well, that first

video, I said, Okay. A ver. I mean, imagineate how people get with videos incredibly

impressive I don't question in that So I know, I know, I know, I don't I said, yeah, yeah, sure, I'm going to Oh, yeah, sure, yeah, I'm going to Submilo to TikTok. No, sir. We're not in Can't let's revealer his video clips

One way that he's authorized Okay. But, well, I said, it's a first video clip, Afwera, you can put in a pinch dinosauria in a vinci video clip, I have to Censure me that this

not is a fake When we When we start To analyze the first video Evidently I'm down That's a video That's a native

What do you Directly of the Dispositive? Sure You're when When you do a Gravation of video They have a

Carpet of Destino That's your Cellular All those cellars And so that goes The proper

hardware of the own cellular No? The software So, the software is Encard

just to that you put the number in the location and the more he was he was he was

he was the carpet original of that's no I'm a local

the destiny in your memory internal and the minute the

two seconds the the hour in the hour that was that's

that's those are those as those as investigators okay because

if you you send a videocep for WhatsApp I don't

have this information In my case, I discard automatically the videos that me send them by WhatsApp until that no have the dispositive in my hands and it will be. Okay. Example that I'll give.

Well, give you, okay, give me your filiales. Who are, how many of those are you, to do you take? No I can't talk about much detail of your job, but your job was security national. Okay. So, not was any other work. And he was a master of arts martiales To instruct a personnel

Okay, okay This in what In what radica the difference, Paco? Is that here No, no, no, Viener a person Aficionado The phenomenon

Oh, so, no, me's talking to a type that, that he likes to get to to our, to,

and to, and to, and to, enjoy the videos and other, no. It's a person

agen to all this. Totally. No, no, is involved, no is influenced, no is nothing.

It's more his first encounter for his family and his family no said with the brass cruised and

he was going to go to check and find in the internet if he passed for the friend shaman,

the bruch or what that was for parents officiados of the church well,

a sinfing of things that he passed but no so not so to get to us. Okay. Corte A, when

I do you know, my archive, his filial, is a type of professionalist that has a career terminated, that has a life normal, with a chick normal, that no is influenced by any

type of creency, me do I know the moment of that I, I'll reviso his department. Yeah. We did the investigation profound.

We put even, I think, If I don't mal record, I have a video clip in the pan page of the agency Mexican of investigation

paranormal where we are doing a investigation of camp Okay We went to grab all the

night to your department because he said okay if this is a manifest let us

let's see if there a recreation of the manifestation in what sense oh with

this with what I'm saying if this is consecutive desafia the retorica

of the investigator, that could be ephemer, that can be spontaneous, and it can be fortuit, so, that's a little once and yet no will be to pass. Okay. But here, there three nights, three or four nights,

Paco, consecutives with different phenomena. In the first video, is the interphone. In the second, some, the gavetas of the kitchen, they're going to open and close. When he says When he says,

yeah, it's impressive it, you're going to be here in the channel. When he says, okay, yeah, he's going to something else, then he tells his wife, he says, pardon me,

sent this pass. With the entelation, he told to all of him, it's something very important. Because he would, say, okay, grab the video

in the moment, no, he's got to prepare psychologically because he all the nights,

those nights of October, okay. He said, 2017, and I'm to talk to and the

people, and the people, even, he said, you're, you're, you're, you're,

because your work, is of stress supreme. I'm sorry. So, they're,

they're not thought, in any moment, that has been something that he said,

but they did you tragist in the problems of the work and are doing this refresh in the life everyday. So, his family

thought, wait, you're you, you're stresado, bette relax. Tomato some vacations, something.

Exactly, boy, no, it's, even it's, well, it's, when it's, I go, this retorty

to my family, I go, I'm going to grab it because no me creen. And it is something.

It's also, it's something very curious because in the phenomenon, one is when

you see and that you know you have opportunity to grab it and say what's what's

you know no no I think your family to say no to be

to have have to have been an explanation you but there practically

like was consecutive he said put a putt what I'm wow that's

impressive and not one and one one one once Paco

four four four ino four nights four days four times, four videos, impressive

but, well, we're seeing the videos, that are gabets that are and they're open and they're see, it's called, the audio of this chick saying, no, man, there's, there's a perro, that's called Kimbo. Okay. That's a lot, this

is a little, very, very emphatic because, many times, they're out of the parrito, the domitos, they're and they, can defenders, there Kimbo, no, defend you to his dwean. Wow.

A Kimbole He gave a kid. That's That's, well, supposedly the,

let us, let us let us, let's be, or maybe the romanticism you're saying your perrito

or your gato, or your gato, is the that's the that's the reality is that when

you're when you confronts a phenomenon of this magnitude 100% real,

inexplicable, they also they can identify and eventually they're going to you're going to say

what happened possibly if he should have put aggressive confrontative the per he's put

confrontative as he was even he said he said there's there so the

person so the his own his own his own so so his perr

he revasos because he was he said even he even he was he was to get a

moment in that me arta of so a lot of that I'm that I'm that I'm

that I'm that I'm he's he's being a master of a art of an art

martial Israeli that's really that's I mean I said I don't

what I need to do I need to do do you okay well well

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm of the sequence of

the videos the gabettas then in other in other video it starts

to the front of the Yeah, and there, and a water of a little bit of a minute, and so, you know, so, so, it's caught the water and

he's a row to him? Now, it's more levy, but she's still moving that mother. Now, it's more lever,

but she's moving that mother. Uh-huh. A-huh. That's... Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, me.

Well, that's not the most underground. The Mast Underground. round, another in the madrugada, he's

prepared with with the and the wetties of his room, to the two meters that you

like, some three or four meters at the distance of the kitchen, yeah,

he's to starten, he's going to move solo, so, and he rasped

in the, in the, in the, in the, he's, and then he starts to do

because he see his sombra grabbing and he sees, he's a voice of fear. Wow.

So the, the pala of the boltiator and then when it's arroja the piece and when it

is the rojo he's a redho, be a somber here. Okay. So, then he'll a camera

and see a desodorant of these glade of mess yeah, levittando, cab. To his

life, no, man. Well, so, o'o, because that is one of the videos

Polter Guys that today for today I have a recognition of some

investigators colleagues in the world saying wow, the video clip to grab it

in that point, in that moment of manifestation is incredible. So,

this this quater and be o'clock no, no, no, no,

no, no, there are because there polter guys that are things. Yes,

so, no, no, no, no, not they they're are of arrojement

brusco they're exactly to say here I'm here they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna

they're gonna do you know to do you know to another no camera here you're you're gonna the manifestation

pura of a polterguise in some maximum expression why because the desodorant no vuela

does it does this they're in so they're on their own and it and he gets

they're they're moving that mother Now is more Tempreno Now is more Temprenno

No ma'am it No ma'am No ma'am No ma'am My pego No ma'amins No ma'amins No ma'am

He'll start And then he says No ma'amas No ma'am Because It's, it's... Sure Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so much Many people would be there out It's a lot, you know, you know, pseudo-experto, no, I've ever had carried out of you. We, you know, you, you know, so, I mean, I'm not, the, for you.

You know, so, I mean, you know. No, you're not, you know, I'd like to be in a presence of that magnitude. You're quite, me has passed, us have passed. Yeah. And you're, you're

stuick, you're using with the environment and you're you're doing the cycle of manifestation, way. But no, they're not of this indole, car. No, it's this is this is other level, man.

No, no, no, it's, it's, it's on the ground. Well, grader that Yeah, when I saw That's the last video I go, ah, cabron Or so it's when you say, Okay,

we have to do I'm going to say, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, because one of

the investigations, one of the parameters, one of the parameters of the Paco is replicar, so,

reproducing the phenomenon. Okay, demonstrate that There, there, so, there,

so, there, so, yes, the interphone, no, has conflict, what we have to see, look at the analysis.

The piece of the interphone, the movement that does the interphone, when this manifestation terminate, it's a-bacher-as- not-a-s-sie. Yeah, like, so, like. No, when it's called,

you're just-cuegues, for a man-a-ma-stre that's with the movement of those polars, and what you want to do you want, no does it. Sure, sure. That's like... Yeah, but there's a movement of... Exactly. So, if there's a movement erroneo,

of that the pesoid and the reality do make it, well, so this interfaun cae, cae, caeatio. Ah, so, so, if it's sustainia in the air. No, no.

I said, that's, that is like the problem. For me, when I saw that first, I said, well, okay, this is this

we're going to be to the abetas, I'ma, this is cagued of the arse, I'll reproduce. Yeah. But when, when I,

the glay, I said, no, se a mammon. This is another. How? Why? Why? Because no, no, no, not it's a ballad, boy, insist.

No, no, they end up right, not they're in the mess, levita. That is the expression. You know, so it's like if I'm here I'm, I'm, okay, I'm... Sassiarty. Exactly. But this is he was terrifiedissimo, car. No, well, but

imagineate, boy. Oh, la man, no, man. Whatever, car. well we've we've seen a first part of vitacro insolita

where they're to be these videoclips also of here with the channel of Paco

but we we're going to see the analysis complete you know we usually we usually

we can use the after after a time and we we're going to arm

all the expedient for you see in account that not only it's

away there's there's there's there's there's a That is like, okay, okay. This is like the conclusion.

Or... Between commies, conclusion. It's like a pre-conclusion. Okay, okay, yeah, because that is like the of, well, what occurred or how... What happened, exactly. Well, there you go. When we're us intervening us,

there was another manifestation. We've had gone to the department. There are some archives that not has revealed, that I'm going to reveal. that's present this manifestation in presence

of us wow but there is going to let us go now now so we're in incognito

stardos in his department analyzing we we're talking and he yeah when I had

intervention of the agency when I was when we're going to get to we're

so the first what I'm what I'm what I'm how do I'm he said

I'll freely friament confrontal And me How? If you To you

It's To be To be the object Levit to The evita the Objects Those

Okay What do you What do you What do? Tell me What do you Do you No, I

don't you I can't To attend your Your message No, I don't I need you

You need you You know And me He says But if I'm better You know You know

You can't I'm saying No no, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said,

you're saying, you're you're just living the phenomenon. Yeah, you've seen the more

more powerful, well, and there's an anecdote when I went to with one of my

collaborators Cesar Amigo, he made a big a brand a brazo. I

don't know what I did the when I had the when I had the incident

of all the video clips with the video clips with He said to

scone those Couchillios. I got I'm at the cochillery of your caron

I'm sure all those those. We got to get him to start cancel, we're

we're and we said, for whatever something. Because much people

say, but why? If you make an object or imagine

an water of a little no it's it

has a right right not. No not pes two

grams no A Cucillo with the Mango Pensa much than the bottle of

water yeah, well, we'll be we'll be a massacre in case of this

man, but I in that I said to my colleague you know, you know, the

cuthills were out of the camp where we don't know we're saying and I'm saying and then I'm

so if this if this mother to move a bottle to make a bottle of imagine

imagineate a man you know you know you know if has

past. There's a poltergears, very aggressive. Wow. So, for who no know, it's a classification of the phenomena, that is a word German, that defines Spirit Ruidoso, or Spirit Chocarrero, as

said in the folklore. And the spirit is that spirit that's a good object, to make objects, you ask us a, is a spirit that incansableness you're going to try to call the attention. Okay. That's the classification of Polterger's.

And it's a word Aleman, no English, it's Alem, it's a American, okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, so I said, okay,

we, we're going to avoid our because we're we're going to he's the way, is the guy's that's the polter guys

will reaction aggressive with us. Okay, okay, well, those video clips that still not have been

on the channel of the agents of the Negro and in the agency for all your public, you know, we know, we'll have

a RETO Yeah, you know, I'm always the links for the people go to be a direct. Perfect,

we'll get the 50,000 followers and up, sir, please. Venga. And here, minimum,

some, what, 2,000 likes, 5,000 likes? No, we're, we're

to put, I mean, is very little, for the most one's 15, minimally. We're getting in

a month a semester. Yeah, we put us 15 and we get us to 36 so

I'll well I put I was lavar a little more maybe here

yeah you know the last the last participation we'll we can't we can't

get to let us we cance we minimum minimum minimum for that I

can't for I'm for I do you do it's much material so I'm talking

years of a bit yeah yeah Sure. You're talking for insimita.

Sure. 2017, imagine the case of 2017. So, you know five years and six

years? And even is conclusive? And even still in investigation? Imagine When I

when I started to get back all the data, I said, okay, to who

did you get to what? Well, yeah me talk about the cura,

we have the cures when he does the when he does the thing, we have the

parroco of that a son in Narvarte. Yeah. And I remember that he said, Antonio,

it's a can't, because the curer me said, this is a revasas. Neasits

a cure a more a exorcist. Wow, an exorcist. Well, it's not, he said,

but imagine you know, I'm going to do many cures cures, I go, but I'm don't manch

c'clock. So, if not they can't they can't, no, not you don't you

say, oh, no. Right. Because it's... It's... It's not right.

It's affected. It's afraid. He's afraid. He does it in the tower. Imagineate if for sure a,

let us, we know, of a form of a feo or of confidence. You know, you know,

no, no, I'm not, I'm not. I mean, exactly. Exactly. No. Yeah.

Imagineate the expression of it, and I do it, and I'm before that we

intervener and intervineramos in the case, me to talk to all these

antecedents, no? Well, also a family of his that practice the santa

also he did he and he said he was doing like his ritual like to

do you and he and he put him oh the life so he says

no, it's very so when yeah retombo the intervention of the other

in other video clip yeah I had there's when he confronted

him when So, so I said in these things, you keep grabbing. So I said, grab all what you can. Because for us it's like a document,

or archive. Yes. Okay. And in that other video began to move a, we've seen like a glass of metal,

like, of an aluminum very pesable where he accommodated the pallas and the cucharas. And in that, in that occasion,

the video we'll want to here in the channel, so it So, I'm going to move the vase, this, that is very pesable. I, I, I, you know,

I was too, I mean, this, Paco. I mean, this is, this is a pesado, baselo. With, cupboards, and other, it was more. Yeah. Well, it began to, to restrat, to the

piece. It's, and he, yeah has intervention of us and he begins to say, what you know? So, no, and that clip Dura, like, three minutes, you'll go to do it,

so it will pass complete for that that you see okay he he he's gonna say what you're gonna say no car and he's gonna be because he's offusked he's spanted and he says

I don't you can't understand yeah he had the indication of us yeah yeah I had a an an incommienda for to do front to these phenomena and for that he

not affect them okay well pass that video clip and yeah when me starts to say you know what this yeah

me about okay how that you yeah me yeah me

I'm the I'm and I do and I said how I said

like he's like a monk like he said it's a way

I'm you know I'm not doesn't say that the indomintary

has been for socially a monk but it's like

a man okay what what he said, I have an audio

that me sent to we've seen on the voice of that the voice of that's

where he said, I said, me, he said, I'm, how are those

phenomena, Cessarone? Okay, we're well, how you're less aggressive

because yeah me to get to get to get to okay. Okay, okay.

So, I, I know, I'm he the I hear you. Okay. Perfect.

So, then the phenomenon. So the phenomenon? Yes. For complete. Yes. How do you feel? Well, because I,

you know, okay. What do you say? Yeah. First, I said, what is? You have

asked? I think I'm I'm going to ask, eh? Preguntale first, what is? What is?

Contra, what is? Okay. Corte A, in different occasions. We've got many times, video call, we've been very, very present in your case, and he said, no is demon, no is angel,

no is spirit, nor much less is strata of this, you. What? So, what is? The truth is that, no, possibly this is

yeah a little influenced and affected I'm looking the explanation because I think the electromagnetism

pure there's we're we're we're we're we're we're

confirmed with the glade I have I think I'm in my power the desodorant

gau there you when I when I get the desodorate I see the pastia

the pastia is this chamuscada okay and I did okay I said okay I'm the

what happened no no no So, so, so it's He said, and so, okay, I don't have the other part when it's called, or what does it? No, when I met her the quarter, too, it's called. Okay. Or so, yeah, no, we're going to be able to do. So, you know, I'm going to be able to be my investigator, you surrars the carcasses, car. I mean, no, no, no, no, me venas to say, I'm not, no, no, me you've been going to say, I'm I'm going to get until that

I'm doing the things. No, no. Bandar. Here, those who are listening on Spotify,

des the time to come to YouTube, because what they're to be, not is a movie of

a video dramatized, you're going to be really, veradermat activity 100%

paranormal. They're going to be videos that probably they're they're something

before to go to go to to sleep. So, so much discretion with

that. So, this, you know, I'm like, in, in the

surface. Yeah, but a bit of all, okay. Well, okay,

when me said that's all, I said, perfect, you, yeah, you,

you know he's, what is, and I said, me talked about of the

mortals, because I said if it's a spirit or what are and what he said the word he said the spiritus are other

but he not pertainse to that he's a group of Ceres I said okay I'm

he didn't I'm more Cabrod Wow he and why he's why he's got

with you because he's because I'm because I have sensibility

into those phenomena yeah and Okay, a bit, a be, a bit,

a bit, when I said, a bit, let me, talk about your need, go. We're going

directly to the niche, the niche, most base where so it's

splotent in the phenomena sensorial. Yeah. And me he and

his mom that experimented a phenomenon similar but with an

man. Wow, so, there is an antecedent. There is an

antecedent where he He, he saw a his mom, that his mom sentia that he oprimed

in the coo, that sent him some hands very in the point. And he

took to be that he took to safeguard her or resguard to his mom, but he

saw that that he was a lot of that was that's so I said,

okay, there's there's a antecedent here that also me has putt

we can be the scheme of investigation figure what you're what you're

saying so so we Walter guys, that's that's an agressivity

and effectively there's electromagnetism evidently it's a spirit we're saying it's a thing that's

talking about with this person what we're going to be able to what he wanted? Total that

unfortunately we've said well, that you have ceased those phenomena in him

in the sense of the impression that they they're in the mindro

and it's with the time to say or to think there there's there's

there's there Okay, we're going We're going to We're going to But when Me said The day that you

Friate I said The day that you He said No, he He's going to Because you You know

Wow And I said Okay Okay I said okay I said okay So I For me

I'm I'm Yeah I'm I said Dile I mean So I

So I was our interlocutor. Yes, the intermediary, basically. That I say, that I want to

keep in your department only and that I'm a manifestation the most rotunda and the most

contundent possible. And me says, no, no, so I said, well,

I think, wait, I'm the panacea of the Polter Guys. Wow. I want

to see, you see, you see, you want to I'm, I've envied these things,

but So, like to inventing things, I mean, I've got to attestiguar in my

presence like a and you know, but you're so momentanio are things fugaces, whey,

you're talking to beavisimals of seconds. Okay. And you try to look to an explanation

of all you that's my form of another person pune, he's made to gore even the day

the day that I'm the day that he tooko out of the day that I'm I'm sorry Do you, do you, do you know, I put it back,

I'll furo, boy, I put vasos, I put even there was a side of, of a terraria that had been,

I said, well, for the most you know, because I, you know, I'm just, I'm going to,

I'm going to let's see, to put up to what to me have succeeded in that thence. Well,

well, so I think, I'm the panacea of the poltergars, I said, okay, I mean,

I have a interlocutor that is this child, say, Tell me that, for favor I'd

wish that that's that's that's that I'm sure and that he said

okay in the dream I said I said in serious he's in state

nirical in a dream a profound so so so so so I'm

like if I know like he he he despired in the mornings in the

time and the night after me said the contestation girl that

What do you contested of that? That no, that final of the day not, that was apt for this type of phenomena, boy. Okay. I mean, oh, yes, my or, I mean, me, I mean, me, man.

You know, because just he said, you know, but it's a gauze, way, wey, is that it's a pinche phantasm, a point. Yeah. There you go, because we're

we're not, because we're from our area, that was an effect of electromagnetism in the object. Yeah. We went to the

Fabrica of Glade And to the Was it was a For a role For that we're Receivaring The technicians So I said

I said I mean Simply give A questionament Basse of the fabrication of your product I don't

I did say Hey this This desoderante Selebone And I I gave to Mostral the video Nothing

Armand I did oh yeah, I need how you can make to moscar this this pastia of this pastia of one day for

another. Okay. We got with one of the techniques, with one of the interiors and me

said, nah, you know, I'm gonna get this the orn't a living. And we're

like, china, a webo, car. I said, no, no, I just

simply so, a bit, if they consume these pastillas they're desidraten like it's evaporates

and they're making little, chiquita, until they disappear or for no less

they're in a pastillita little. This is this is chumuskado what more to, no,

no, no, no, you know, not you're because the plastic is intact.

Yes. So, in an oven of microondas as, as it has evaporates, then it's

so it can that's chamuske. So, if he had a urnucon microondas perfect. The Liga direct with an electromagnetism I'm sure. Put to your favor,

Emano. So, for us it's a ghost. So, Walter, because in the Narvartre you, we said, it's a phantasm. Well, it's a spirit, enojaed. Yeah. That's what we're going to say to all this quater, and then,

we're going to ask him, because. Well, when yeah, it's all the thing I'm saying, I remember perfectly that he said, okay, Dilley that you know Contigue Yeah no

So it's That way With us What he That's There's a There's a In the videocry

I'm Invit Invit Invit Of the Program that we We've

Tov For a short time Subed The Narbate That was Recien

And I Remember Perfectly Romano that He had I Another

In the Man In the Cous The Poulterger is of Moreos

Okay With a Cicic of 12 years, approximately 10 or 12 years, with a phenomenon of polterags that they'd have been in the server in the door,

they'd have been to contact with us and other. Well, that's a case for other polters. Okay. To us talk to convivir with the same phenomenon of object

in reason apparent and I did an union of video-jamadas. In that video-jamada this chico is de sumo affected because he says he's his mom

he said, put the Bible put the Bible and they're religiousos put the Bible he's God he's going to

protect when he's when he he's he's he's not being very aggressive

okay let's what I'm I'm in video call with Al the

the girl of 12 years that had this phenomenon too I said

I said I'm okay I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

the video call with this Chico and video call with Alejandra When he

He said Samudio DeVarra really is very caron I've got to put the Bible in the

mess where they're they're in the water and they're just oh la beastia I'm going to

go to go to don't you don't you go to the engagement that they can be the

object per se signify and it something and this thing I don't no no

you know you don't you go you know the most viable he said the

most viable is the objectos to move. I, so I said, I was directed to that point, because if I would have directed

Paco, at the point to say, oh, if it's in the devil, cao. Yeah,

that's the point religious. No, the clad, it's, yeah, yeah,

no, no, so I, imagineate. So, I said, you, so,

could have been, just so, oh, I, put this object, to do you

move. But he was very affected. No, but that that video that dur

more time, because those I'm going to talk between those experiences.

Okay. The video call to video call God. And yeah with Ali

I had been evolutioning also also. Yeah I was confronted

to the spirit. I mean, yeah there was a solution in

instead of that was a room. For example. With this

this chick we've also a video that I leveled the dream

to the when they said his pap oh you know they

insist in Ale eligio an abitation in the part of back to not dorms and not dorm.

And me says, is that insist, because I was saying, no, Antonio, insist.

Well, to be, with your permission of the parents, I'm going to supervise his own

from the cell. Okay. She put a, fience, he posed his iPad

from the cell. Yeah. In my call, with me, the camp of vision

was, Sal, the door principal, the room, and the room to the

door. Okay. Just to give us a other than this Poltergais. Like in the 3.5

the morning, I'm kept observing all the hours, I'm, I was from the

city of Mexico and Yessen Moraelos, no? And me kept observing and like

at the 3 the morning they're to begin to open the door. But there

when I see that when I He's opening the door and he Hey! Hey! Here! I'm here!

I'm like, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. It's in the Facebook of Agencia Mexican of Investigation

Paranormal it's in live. Okay. Well, I'm, Hey, with me

with me here I'm here because I started to see the door to be able to be able to

say, I'm going to open the no, no, no, perfect, Paco who I'm here B, well, there

you go, the video original, that I think, the video is a pixel to be a

figure out of the phone Cah. Okay. Oh, no, it was a, a deficit

of transference of internet. I always had been a band ancha. Yeah. Alta,

I've paid the Alta just for the job that we have been, I'm

that's still and it's still the same but all the other was very well

and it was good, and it And she begins to see this figure that kind of that's a camera

car. No, you pass. You know, there's, those videos in the agency

Mexican in the investigation for the man, the A, verificate is our, and I said,

and it's like, and I, what you want? Here I'm, tell me what you want,

to you, I'm, you know, what you want, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm doing,

I'm saying, I'm I'm just I'm going to just the , no, no, So, that me caused emotion, because I said, me took in time real,

although it's in video, but I took in time real. So, literally, you know, a videocamada, like a phantasm. Then you know, for example, yeah, well. Oh, that's going to be the title of the miniature, I think. I think, yeah, well, is that, there you go, way. The impressionate of all, is that, um, I, you know, I gott the attention to this entity, then I said, he said,

is conscious. Oh, with what I'm saying. Because one of the inconscience of a spirit that makes and that move objects and in their day-a-day, for so

to say, in his frenesy of being, of this, to be arraigued in space and time, to move a cencero.

All the days, you know, that's a spirit that is a spirit that is a spirit that does the action

not to give the attention, but that's action does it, because that's the It took to start.

Sure. Here we We're talking in all the contrary. A entity 100% conscientious

of that you was talking that you're to go to go to the abetation of Alecendra and then

because you have got out of his camera wow. So that entity yeah he

had stired and he had slated in the carlough now. Now it's like

colloquial the he held the no man the reality super

the no no, no, it's very too that's comment.

Of actually, that case and the child of the Narvarte

were in the American. Wow. In the first time. No,

and that's really we're talking of phenomena fernomens of other level,

so here. Very underground. Well, but not you're the most of the most

can't be on the time. Okay. Total, I'd to give to this,

you know, well, you're to be to be, well, what is that

that's what what is what is what the pretension that's what's the pretenceion that's why it's why it's a matter

and ask let's of what you do you in the colony federal in the

antecedent and the question let have accompanied all your life so this type of

things is something it's something because I was something because I'm was interacting with

him because I okay and there had data and I had to add

a lot so then the case I think I'm inconclusive. The phenomenon started to dissiparce.

Yeah, this chico, took his job everyday, as he had a very, very special. Well,

he has dedicated to do you, and he said, okay, if, if they're not, and if you,

is that, I'm sorry, Antonio. So, so, it's present and me makes,

me, me, I'm, I'm, but yeah, but yeah, no, but yeah,

no, the first, the first, noches, that were to venting things. Yeah,

, Yeah, no, I don't know that I go to things. Ah, okay, perfect. What happens in those cases, Paco? We're as far as investigators. We're not subject to that the person say, yeah, I don't want to know more.

Okay. And we're not, we're saying, because not it's the same to do you live constantly and for all your life, God. And if that person me says, okay, yeah, I'm in peace, I'm well, I'm well, I'm doing. I'm trying

in my things, Samudio. I think we'll we'll have the theme up here. Okay. As you like, the only thing is, I said, let me chance to document us.

Sure, sure. You're also, he passed the videos original, all, all, and he said, ahead.

Okay. The fact, I was in the program that we were in the air in Canal 77. Okay. So I said,

perfect, yeah, it's been documented, list. I said if he gets, if he gets to go back something like

you've seen, me you know, until the moment I don't call you in much time. And it's like those

cases are Paco. So, no, no, precisely we're not necessarily with the

testigo. Yeah. But look it. But no, no, because the solution you

did. Sure. The person said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, I doormo well I'm good and I'm yeah

I'm sorry okay and I'm and so and so what is what I'm that's the

misterio God oh no there's a no there's a no there we're still

we're because he I said a bit you know you know yeah me about

yeah I'm I'm yeah I'm he said that's more

he's like one one thing is that oh with that not you can't you have

you have a job so you have also you're also just it's a kind of it's a

classification that we're we're different from various cases where the person

there's something and it's and it's so it's a life

and it's a natural that's that's that you create a problem

psychological so so so so then I'm no no no

his voice is a ronka. I'll say, okay, go. Okay, I want to hear you also.

It's like three months and me mando an audio. It was okay, perfect. We're not going to

do you don't you passes the lance car. Wow. So, well,

see, where, where, where's the point parted the case? Where

is it? Partio on October 2017 when his father we're called? There you

do, we, no terminate there. Apenas in the 2003, at the end of

2023, I'm a message of his cellular, me imagine, I'm I'm going to

do it and I say, okay, I said, no, I need the presence,

your presence and you what happened? Regressorso. Okay. And me he said, he said,

more aggressive and more more And I said, to be, not say, so, supposedly, you have communication, yeah, there was a interaction, yeah, all, yes, he, of, so, yeah, of all, so, yeah, so, de-repancy-poh. He's, he says, he's, he has a little, this,

a little, this, uh, yeah, just for that, no, no, no, ingress, to the haunt in Latin America, of the first time. So, they're in 2020. And, like, in the 2023, no, 22, final. me say Samudio he was, he was,

he was, he was, he was, he said, Tremend. He said, okay, we're, we're,

we're in, two, no, was in the, finales of 2022, because we're, we're, the role

of the laws of the pandemic. Okay. And he said, well, you know,

you know, you know, you can't do you, not can't do you, not can't presentia,

and me said, okay, I'm, and he I look I don't I'm in

every in every interview because I imagine I imagine I see the we're in the

we're talking about in your case if me you're mark me we know we

know we we need to we need to we're going we need we need we need we need to

we need we need and that you the point as the point important is the point important is the baby

so it's because it's regular where this type of entities are the is what the most of the

attention, is the purity, the innocence so, well, yeah, definitely, to be able to

get a moment that, that you feel that this is coming that's out of their hands because it's

very dangerous. So, really, yeah, being in this range, I think,

no, the pastelance, we're in a rank and I think incredible for many of those

who don't listen. And, And, over all, that not is understandable, too. So, that much the cost,

the, the, the, the processer, all the information, the try to aterisar and create it, is another

role. No, manches, am I. So, it's tremendous, the case of the Poltergeys of the Narvarte.

I know that, that this chapter will be to be going to be a matter that, if we get to

profundize in the theme of the new year of 12 years I think that's super,

super genial. And there evidence to that of that case, there's a

very much testimonial and they're going to be going to functionar to Latin America because

the end of the day there were there were many there were because they're they're

they're the conflict that took with his family this this child and

and Al and his family to have another contrite but it's something is a little

very curious so they're yeah like determined cases for a hundred Latin America there's

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