EXTRA ANORMAL - 103 | Posesiones DEMONÍACAS y manifestación de ESPÍRITUS en la iglesia
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Hello,
Hello, what are you guys,
being welcome to a
chapter more of podcast extra anormal.
My name is Pacuarias
and I'm very happy to be
here with all of you.
This occasion,
I'm very content.
my good
friend Israel
Cruz.
How are you?
Excellent.
Thank you.
Thank you.
A good for the invitation.
A good for the invitation.
Thank you,
I'm very content.
I'm going to be able to
you're going to say to the
people something
something.
This chapter
that we're going to
we're going to
we're doing.
It's a
chapter that
me have been
many people.
It's a
question that
you're going to
do in this
you, for
example,
you can manage
this matter
or you know
you know,
you know,
you're a
little little
the theme
of exorcism
So, many me
have been
but also
many people
like,
no,
like no,
like no endangent
because if we
don't know
about things that
are a lot
that we're not,
we're realists
not something
that's a little
but we're
going to start
talking to other
questions of exorcism
the person
that me
accompany is
a person
that has
been working
that matter
and in a
moment we're
to hear
that we're
going to
but before
to start
also
I'm
I'm very
content with
the community
that we
want to
let's
in this
moment
if it's
the
first
chapters that you're
being or
listening or
you can
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callicating us
with five
stars in Spotify
because with
that you
do you guys
to make the
project
is getting
so without
we're going
to start
Israel
before
to start me
I would say
that you
presentes
with the
audience
and how
you can
find in
in the
social
well my
my name
is Israel
Cruz
my
media
social is
Facebook
Israel
Cruz, Instagram, israel.c.cruz.com, because
Faber Cruz is up occupied. And TikTok,
so isra.p.cruz.
I use more TikTok, for the general.
So, well, then, of any form, can connect.
And then I imagine that after this program,
there are people that are going to care
to know more.
Yeah, so, there are. Then, you know, there are
those links directs in the description.
Of the same way, you can't look at. There's
available in the Reds of Israel.
This, Israel, we're going to
start with this theme.
Let me. We'll start, because it's a
theme that
many
have
been asked
and then
we're
to talk about
some
some cases
as far as
some
some kind of
some of the
but we're
to start
a little
with the
end of the
you're doing the
phenomenon
paranormal?
Yes.
Okay.
Ojo
there's a
difference
that I
have been
very sceptic
in
quite to
the paranormal
is that
for me
it needs
a
need a
because
there people
that then
all
all
they're
all
all
Bruna, no?
Yes,
or, for
example,
you pass
you at a
ladder and
down.
Abajo,
yeah,
there's been to
get the
sal, no.
So,
so I think
that's
it's still,
but
also, but
also I
think in
know
to know
what is
paranormal and
what it's.
Okay.
Now the
second
question,
what was
the
vivencia
that
you commenced
that
you've been
to be
interesting.
Fugate that's
interesting because the
vivances
as
as a
person
I've been
I've been
I'm a
great,
yeah,
and not
a lot of
one of,
I think
of the
most
most oversalient
because
casually
to the
majority of
the
experiences
me was
my mom.
My mom
is of a
community
from
a car
a
so,
a
a country
a
and for
lot of
you know,
you know,
you know,
the
ranches
are like
the
cunos
is a
part
normal.
It's
a
classic.
A classic.
And you
have
In those places,
it's
more.
Okay.
But, for
example,
my mom
me comment about
that in
his house
was a house
of the
house of
and at
times in the
night or
in the
madugas
there was
someone
to talk
the
okay.
So,
my
abuel
was a
person,
we're a
person, we
considerable
that we
really,
because
he's,
and my
mom, and my
mother
not those
passed to
us,
because we
did,
the first
that the
We heard.
Fusse,
who wasse,
what wasse,
tomabas
a machete
and say
to get a cofeteer
to get a
to get a machet
like the devil
in the potrero.
Ah,
yes,
yes,
literally.
So,
then it was a
question,
it was a
door,
and there
a man,
the chabro
a man,
a man,
a man in
a cabo
becilled
of the
black,
with the
eyes
with the
so my
little,
to be
to get a
to be
to make
to be
to be
to be
They didn't disappear.
No, she's supposed
but my mom
us told that story
that my mother
was like, when
I was always
in the madrugada
and I used
silvids.
Okay.
Not was the
wind.
The wind
does a type of
sound of
but when
it's a sylvido
different is like
more mysterious
a little bit more
melodioso
but melodioso
in harmonical
I don't know
those who know
of music
when the music
is harmonious
when the music is harmonious
it sounds
well,
it's
a good,
it's
a good,
when it's
in harmonico
it's
a dispairjo
to cause
other type
of sensations
so it's
so it's
rare and what
my abel
and what was
to go to
get to
see what was
with his
machete
and here
yeah
so that
Wilson
so these are
the types of
those types
of stories
that my mom
me told
who
who has
or who
has had
a experience
was my
my
brother
Okay.
We've been in
a quarteries
when we
we're supposed
and in those
quartersies
at final
there was a
space like
of the terrain
vacu.
There were
platanals and
so like that's
so that's
so my
so my
so I think
I had
around
of eight
years
approximately
he
he was
he was
he was
he's
he's
the door
he's
he's
he's
he
he's
he's
he's
he
Okay.
So,
so,
see,
the head of the
C.
See.
And then he
says,
Ben.
So my
brother's
so I'm
and he said
my mom.
And as my
mom erredo
well,
we know,
let's,
let's,
let's,
see,
to be,
so there's,
no,
okay.
No,
there.
So,
basically,
this
from very
young,
you,
you know,
to connect to
connect with that
part of the
of the
supernatural,
and over
not to
not,
because the
thing,
that if
if you
see,
okay,
we're going
Here we've
called
many
experiences
and ral
figgated
where
the
the actual
normal
is a
time at a
hour
not necessarily
that's
that's
that's
in the
every
moment.
So the
person
for example
that you
invited
directly
has
had been
experience
even
at the
12
of the day
and
and here
like you
you
do you
in
times
in terms
yeah
of
ranches
and
it's
where
basically
much
much
to know
to know
phenomena
of bruchas
Chanek's
that's the
classic of
class of classics
so it's
a question
that many
we've grown
with this
situation,
the abuelito
that's
with the
but here
I'm a
doubt in
what moment
Israel
you
you start
to endagart
to
at the
more
in terms
more
in
about
demonology
okay
I
I'm
in an
community
Christian
in an
church
Christian
no
I'm
I
visited
the
church for
first
a
six
years.
Then we
I'm going to
like I'm
like I'm
so at the
so I'm
so in this
time to the
church where
I was
there was a
really that
was much
in the
church that
was the
manifestation
demoniac
yeah
no
that's
people who
try
that they're
that
we can
we can't
we can't
we're
about that
between the
difference
between
the
and a
position
yeah
exactly
exactly
precisely
pardon
that
you
also, we're
to be the same
to be a position
to see a
me has
to be a lot of
the first
the influence
demoniac.
That is when
you know,
yeah,
they're in the
control,
they're even
even they're
to talk,
but as
there.
As a
position,
that no
require a
more an exorcism
as a
part of the
cases,
the father
Gabriel
Lamor,
the 2%
that really
we're really
really where
the demonio
as well
as a
present,
and he says
his name
ohio,
I'm sure
I'm going to
do this
this occasion
I'm going to
the name
the demonies.
It's not
to be doing
a little
but we
going to be
doing to be
the information
so.
So,
that's the
question.
So,
that's the
one is the
position and
the other is
the influence
how it
how it
works.
Well, if
you want
to get
what you
mentioned
that from
that's
very small
to see
that series
of
situations in
the
church,
people
that
try in
some
situation
spiritual
and they
were in
like,
and they said
and they're
and so
so.
So,
so were
my
first experiences.
Casso
curious,
so it
a
sometimes
to the
children
us
don't
to
know
to have
to have
to have
to be
to
see the
things
because
if they
they're
they're
they're
in other
other
they
they
they
they're
because
if you
those
you get
the
or that if you
have the
or if you have the
or
whatever
something,
so you know,
so it's a
man you know,
then you know,
and you know,
and you know,
and you're
the eyes, no,
you know,
you know what
you know, when
the contrary,
it should be a
contrary,
so, because
we're going to
we're going to
learn to
confronter.
Okay,
the
actual, no?
The
actual,
exactly.
Wow.
So,
you're in
that part,
you're in
the church
and you
are the
people
are the
in a first moment
you're just to
you get to isolate
you know
you well
with the past
of the years
you got in
some moment
to be really
a person
really a person
really
possibly
where the person
really the person
is totally
the cordura
yeah we
we're almost
a little
more salvage
a little
a little
a little
even
really
yeah
not as well
I'm
not as
I'm
know
pastores
with those
I've
talked
that they
have
been
merently
the experience
because
obviously
the experience
the
does the
do the
years.
Okay.
No,
I've
exercised
the pastorado
in the
promereal
four years
and in
those four
years,
I've seen
people
with influences
have been
manifestations
but a
person
like you
says
that here
we're going
to enter
in the
difference
a person
that has
a person
that has
a person
that is a
person
that possibly
probably
has a
problem
mental.
Yes.
You can manifest it in many
forms, no,
because there's
an abanical
of possibilities
in how it
in how it's
a influence
demoniac.
Yeah,
I think in
all the people
go different.
I mean, it's
the same.
No, it's the
same.
Exactly.
Okay.
So,
well, the question
here is,
I want to
tell.
A minute.
A bit of,
a case that
has been
being asked
to be given
much and
me call the
attention because
cases of
exorcism or
of persons
posited
we're going
to find
in internet
for all those
sides.
The majority
are going to
make fake.
So,
so there's
here there's
a case.
Here's a
question
like a person
that's been
having a
little bit more
more of the
situation a
little more
a moment
you know,
in example
on TikTok
so viralized
much the
video of
a guardia
of security
that was
doing a
in vivo
and of
first to
start to
have to
start
to have
to have
cars
very rareas
and it
and it
makes to
act
to form
was
out of the normal.
I don't see if you
did in a moment.
No,
but tell me.
Well,
that is the case
of Lias,
Samal.
This person
me met him
and beseagra
a little
a little
a person normal
but that
very little
I've seen
a attraction
and a fascination
for the
theme for
normal.
We think
that all in
some moment
we've been
I've been
I'm used
but I'm
like, I'm
know
this person
not so form
with that.
We're just
He started to submerge
much in that question
that they've
to have to
contact with
books,
with questions
more obscure,
to say.
At the point
that he's
going to be
autodidacta.
So,
yeah,
the type,
he had a
rango,
but,
he had a
conjuros,
yeah,
he had invocations,
yeah,
I was doing this,
but at
the same time
I was
doing videos
for TikTok,
I mean,
like all,
you're doing
something,
you're doing
something.
Well,
he thought,
in very
fond of him
he thought
in his videos
he
he had
a very
very strong
with the
spiritual
so he
was a
special
something
something
he said
you're
for this
you endagate
you metete
and you
get it
and I
know
I'm
here in the
transcurs
of the podcast
I've
been
very explicit
and
very tachate
with the
people
in
say let's
that
sometimes
at the
other
creators
of
content
they
they like or
promote the
game the
whiha
or do
certain questions
that you know
you know
you're saying
we're saying
we're saying
we're doing
we're talking
we're talking about
not they're
so not they're
so I know
what can
get to get
to happen
well
what's what
what happened
exactly
that person
in his
a fan
to look
more
more information
to
at what
acquire
more
to get more
knowledge
so
top with
books
that
They had
Antigues
Rituals
Okay
Libros
In a
Fiatte
In a
A bar
So this
Yeah,
it's
that he
had gone to
the library
To buy the
book
Yeah
Yeah
No,
we'll
We've got
To get a
Bajar
Where he
books
Like a
Wija
Antigua
Okay
So the
So the
type
In the
house, in
his
Quarto
So,
it's
documented
in TikTok
Heg
Hega
and he
He starts
Invokes
He says
He says
he's
invoking
Spitus
But
really
is doing, and we know,
that's invocating demonos,
or, like, the people, or he says,
entities of the basho astral,
which is a term that's
occupying much,
da equal.
It's the same.
Something.
Something is,
we don't, we
like the terms of Christian,
as, like,
you know, like,
you know, like,
you know, the case,
is that what was
doing the type in
the room,
was to open,
like, the
door to, to
enter to,
what he said,
who, in this
moment,
he passed,
like various
cases that
are made
famous of
that okay
now
now I need
a lot of
doing doing
a agent
experter because
he documented
activity
paranormal in
your house
the things
were things
they were
the noise
and blows
even there
many videos
there's
a part
where you
have a part
where they have
a rostro
of lucifer
this is
he's going
to get
to get to
the
people will
say
a quirtita
something
well
in the
the type in the video
agarra,
or so,
without the
video,
agar
the head
of this
diablo,
no,
no,
no,
no,
there's
no way.
For not set the
question
long, the
type,
he's
desperer,
man,
yeah,
you know,
he says
to pay
help,
because the
things
are more
more
more than
he's,
he's,
to be a
testigo of
sombras
or the
activity,
also
then he
has to
takees
to him
so he
then
then he
begins
with
attacks
Epileptics
Empecies
Haste to have
strange
convulsions
The family
Yeah
I'm very
Ageno
to him
Or so
Yeah
Someone
Anfermo
Someone
Someone
Someone
Someone
Someone
But
But the
People
Not
I don't
They
They're
They're
They're
They're
And it's
He's
Maybe
It's
Even
More
more
Firt
He
He gets
To
still
More
More
Constance
And
he
Yeah
So, there is where
is where he viralizes
one of those videos
that maybe
is going to
be able to
be able to
be in
a little
fragment
where he's
talking and
he's a
attack
this attack
this
I was
I'm going to
save to
the people
to say
the attacks
of the
spirit
that are
that are
they're
they're
augmented
every
more
now
I don't
know
the truth
what
I'm
deserterated. When you're very
very little, their force, they use them. It's all that
force vital that they've got them and they
are in the place, so, you know? And it's then
when the person that is in the more grave and
what they're going to get to the
death, if this, if this
thing, not to resty, or not can't get from there in this
Okay.
And so...
I don't know.
I don't know.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Tony.
This
yeah
was in
his
uniform
was a
guardia
of security
where he
starts
to get
these
attacks
the people
get
to make
a lot of
others
you know
on the
social
but what
me
you know
the
attention
is
that I
enter
to the
profile
real
for
so
that was
one of
the
one of the
other
of the
last
the
people or the
family
sub
the video
where they
are
they're
a falleceo.
Oh,
really
and it's
and it's
really viral
because the
people expert
in the
thing about
about what he
did he's
so you
what you
think you
think that
I was
I'm talking
I'm not
I've
heard of the
I'm going
to investigate
and it's
and it's
very curious
because
because
from the
name
my attention
how
he's
Elias
Elias
Sammael
Sammael
I
no see
if you
sound the
the second
name
yeah
to
it's
sound?
A
some
a man
of an
angel
Cahew
Exactly
So
so obviously
obviously
in the
demonology
Yeah
and that
we're not
we're going
to talk
all they
have
attributed
because
some
some
entes
or some
demons
because
say
their
when the
right
they're
they're
they're
not
so
then
then
so
then
I'm
I'm just
I'm
want to
mention
something
that
normally
normally
it
was
And, in the Bible, for example,
mention about that when you
had a child, you let's put a new
and his name, and his name was
a little biterable. Okay.
Is that's it. It's just,
your name determinable
who you were going to do.
Yes. For example, there were
a man that's, a name
significable a ladron, and was
a ladron. Okay, yeah.
So, so. So,
so, then since the moment
maybe, of that they put in the
name to this person,
no know why? Yeah, yeah,
like, like, like, like, like, as they're
Marking.
Yeah,
they're
making.
And this,
I'm very,
I'm sorry,
I'm skeptical of
that it's
like it's
but definitely
when you
put you put
a name,
for example,
that you
put a
one of the
one of
you know,
I don't know
I'm sorry
if I'm
sure I'm
here in Mexico
but I
think there
no mows
so that
for part of
the register
civil
no you
put you
badman
but
Bacu
Doku
Doku
so
but I'm
but I'm
understood
that
No, if it's,
if it's,
No, no,
if,
exactly,
it's,
or not
it's, or not
because I
think I think
I've seen
the dispute
of that,
well,
because one
he could
put Jesus
to his
and I'm
and I'm
not put
luciferal
my.
So,
so I'm
there's a
right,
but,
but,
well,
no,
I know,
I'm sure,
I'm sure,
you know,
the fact
that you
that's a
name, well,
it's a
thing,
it's your
personality,
and much
times
to the
people
do you
still
doing.
I mean,
I did.
I'm, for example, with me
he's
put a number
beautiful,
but that's
also, also
have a good
significate,
no?
So,
something.
Something.
Some of
some of
Samuel,
Elias,
Jesus,
but...
Or,
according to
a person
that no,
a person that
has a
baby, he put in
a miracle,
let me,
something,
so.
So,
so,
and so,
so,
so,
so,
taking the point,
the point,
what you
me
said,
of this
person,
well,
definitively,
one,
at times the
people
initiate in this
for curiosity.
I think the
majority of the
people
for curiosity.
But,
cabbe
mention that he
said that he
said,
that he said,
he said,
and he
said,
you're notcist
for this,
something,
or someone.
Or,
or someone,
no?
Exactly.
So,
so,
from there,
you know,
you know,
you know,
even before
of that could
have been
something,
okay,
that opened
a
door
for
that he
could have
a
contact.
Let us
that's
that's
the
mother of
something
something
did he
could have
been the
he was
he was
been a
person
another person
normally
the
children
are right
right
right
from my
point
of
my experience
and
like
Christian
those
people
always
are
not
So, when the
boy can
start to
open portals
by the same
when he's
to have an
understanding of the
good and the
way and the
year of the
year or two years,
but in the
moment in the
in the
when the
little,
he starts
to have the
thing to the
man,
there is where
it's where
it's where
the risk.
Okay.
So basically
is when
they're
when they're
when they're
when they're
to have like
affectations,
let's do you
because they're
to make sure
to do things
and if
obviously
If you don't
if not
it's the
responsibility
of all,
to try to
try to guide a
little bit of a
little bit more
then the
then he gets
a certain
experiences,
not to permit
certain experiences
for example
I don't know
the majority
that the
kid no
no play
William
in the
school?
Yeah
yeah
yeah
those
little
heavy
heavies
for there
that
that much
well
to me
it's that
I'm
to say
oh it's
like it's
like it's
like it's
like it's
no
I want
to say
the
number
but
over that's in the school.
I mean,
that's a person
that was in a
child that
was a
little bit of
a change of
character,
she was to be
an ambulance,
I'm going to
be a lot
but for example
one person
that is submerged
to that
at that point
like in this
case of
Lias
that he
had a
good rato
reading books
or how
that can't
have
in someone
to read
antivos
and the
other.
He's
document all
those videos
in TikTok
there
this is if I
see no
be, for
precaution
and I
recommend to
the people
that he
he has
he's a
little
and he's
a little
I'm saying
to hear the
first of the
first time
and I'm
and I'm
and I'm
because I'm
cancel it
so I
see what
I'm
like he
put on
pardon for
pardon for
so
that's a
that's a
classic
no?
That's
this is
for example
for
for someone
for someone
that's
is very
riskos
Look, I'll tell you
I'll say
something.
The risk
is to be
where
the risk
is not only
in seeing
something in
an activity.
The risk is
you can't
go to
the car
in the
car in the
case,
and there
is a risk
okay.
Because
because the
the,
the principal
work or
the
task of,
in this
case,
of the
diablo
is precisely
to be
puterers
to all
those
who can
okay
that
Yeah, clear. The devil no is the enemy
of God. The devil no is the enemy of God. The devil, for God,
yeah, is beencilled. Spoiler, it's beencited. Normally
the adversary is with us. The enemy is with us. The
enemy is with us also. The task is to
influence in the major quantity of people possible.
So, he no descends. It's a work 24-7.
The dachal, no, the devil, never doorkman.
Never doorme.
Exactly.
And those that are the most of us, so we're going to be, so we're going to happen.
So, when you're going to pass things.
So, a person like Elias, one
that's a little trampitas, no?
You put a trampita, a curiosity.
Tomas the sebo.
Okay.
And then, what comes?
Then you're, then, you know, one more grandesita.
Okay.
You got, boom, tomas the sebo, and when you're, when you're down,
when you're going to beversed, no?
Okay.
You're so.
so submerged.
And, oh,
we know we're
a satanass,
or, better
in the Bible
even he describes
like the
father of
a manitia.
So,
Satanas is the
menteroso
for excellence.
Okay.
While you
you're going
in this,
in this
world,
never you
know,
because all you
can't be
getting
because he
is expert
in making
believe
that all
so that all
is in
order,
that all is
very good.
And at
contrary,
you
go super
Oh, well, he'd say this, and me
I'm going to say, no,
well, more and more and more.
So, so you'd have
that you're down
and you're so attached
for all the chance
that you did it,
of your life,
that you can't.
So, yeah, no,
and there's a way.
Yeah, no,
and there's a word of o'clock.
So, so,
so, so,
so, you know,
like, one,
but one, you know,
like, the case,
the case of,
yeah,
he just,
yeah, he just,
yeah,
I don't know,
this with the information,
at the more
that he had to
Yeah,
so totally
and apart
what we say
we say we're
we're saying
a moment
the difference
between a
issue and
a position.
Okay.
The influence
possibly he
was too
influenced in
a principle
but he
ended with
possession
because the
position is
that you get
to lose
totally
the control
of your
life, of
your
life, even
of your
actions.
And something
I'm
heard of
this I'm
called a
Carlos
Anacondia
and
he commented
he has a
word
he said
ohim me
me
satanas.
Okay
That's what about that.
He said, when a person is
when a person is
the personality of the demonia
or those demonies
that this person
has been interesting.
The person basically,
like in the cases
that I'm going to be
to talk about,
not only can't be
posited by a demonia.
Ah, no,
sure.
So,
we're about how
how would be the limit?
Legions.
No, no,
there's the same
pastor said that
he ored for
a person that
had legions.
No, one.
Legions.
Legions.
Wow.
So,
we're not
not human.
No, no,
no,
no,
no,
that's totally
perished.
In these
questions,
Israel,
when,
for example,
me
surge the
doubt,
you know,
a person
that's a
person,
I'm in my
mind,
me's
imagining
a person
at the
style
Emily Rose.
The person
with
a person with
cadena
and
talking
in languages
strange,
how is
the process
of
the liberation
of that person
or of the
exorcism
because I mean
I mean
many people
they know
in our
in our
course
for us
for us
liberation
liberation
yeah
and figure
and figure out
there's
no because
for example
I saw
the film
figgate
that the
exorcista
not I've
seen
the classic
not I've
I've seen
and I'm
always I'm
kind of
I'm going
to be
I'm
but I
see the
exorcist
of the apostle
Crow
I'm
myself
I like the
movie, the
really,
I guess
because
I think he's
a lot of
because it's
a certain
comedy,
not it's
that's not
an aggressive
that I'm
that's
a question,
before to answer
to respond that
question.
I went to
I went to
the last
function of
the night
because it
was the
time,
and the
people were
like that
so they were
in the
cell and when
they were
and when they
were saying
they were
they're
they're saying.
Well, it's that
Yeah, it's that
I think it was Asmodo?
Asmodeo?
Yes, but
but they were,
you know, because
in the psychology
of the Mexican
they said that the
Mexican, they said that's
but normally
it's because they're
a mechanism.
Yeah, okay.
No, it's a mechanism
Yeah, it's
like, oh, I don't
I'm sorry
because they say
because they're saying
that when the
the child
doesn't know.
Exactly,
you're going to
go back in the
night, if you
you're trying to
you know,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
so the classic
that the
people
put in the
videos, that
after
to see
a
movie,
or the
episode,
a Wilson
have to
have to be
caricatures
or al
to get
to get
to get
to do
it's a
classic.
Or the
those
clasical
TikTok
that's
move
something.
But
don't
let
do you
do you.
Oh,
that's
well,
I'm
really,
me know much
the attention.
He knows
because,
well, the
people
know, the
in this
case,
Gabriel
Amor
was an
exorcist
a
he went to
about
many,
70,
000,
yes,
And from there
He said
Not all
is a demonio
Not all is demonio
A lot of 99%
We'll talk about
Relationated to the
Salute
But exist this 1%
That he mentions
The word
It's maldat
So in this situation
There's a
There's a father
That is Jose Antonio
Fortea
That's, there
If is the
Sucesor of Gabriel
Amor, no I
I don't know
the
person
that's
more
metied
with the
Catholic
this person
he was a
exorcism
in the
2001
but this
exorcism
is one
of the
most
of the
particular
a lot of
a
thing and
you
you're
you're
going to
because
this
this
is
in Spain
in
2001
with
Martha
a
one
a
young
of
she
she
she
in
first
in
Epilepsy and terrible
Dolores
of the
heart
It was like
one of the
symptoms
more recurrentes
that was
she was
interned for
two
years but
after the
after they did
like a
diagnosis
a little
to her
mom
passing
some months
and they
think
that the
things
that they're
that's
no problem
the problem
is that
passing
the time
and passing
some
days
some
some
These
these
But I don't
How do you
The case is that
Additional
to these
questions
Now,
your house
also is
part of
Because it's
the classic
That's the
Sombra
Secai
the basso
A-Rid
that
no has
Some
some
Procedency
But
as she
She was
She was
She was
both
Vivian
in this
situation
So
So this
Yeah
kind of
It starts
Detonar
an alert because the
paredes
also had
like rastros
of that something
and with some
garras,
they were in parts
no,
cortinas and
so.
So, one
once,
let us,
being the day,
she was
here,
I always
I've said,
the activity
paranormal
no matter,
no.
Siento of
day,
she and
her and
their mother
started to
presential
moments
of the
activity
paranormal in
your
house,
but she
began to
have to
moments of
rabia
extreme.
Okay.
disconnocio
to her mother
many times
causing them
mortedures
she called her
she called much
a lot of the
policeia
her daughter
she was like
in a trance
and he was
she was
she was crying
and she
was crying
but what
the curious is
that she
she had
we talked
about really
of something
that not
not is being
not
not is being
not being
not
the case
and for
not
the quote
the
mom
started
for different
churches
and
Diocese, but
not they
They were
evident that
the chick
had a problem
but there,
for what I
think there's
many situations
for that the
church
to deliver a
exorcism.
That's all
we've seen
with the
analysis of
Annelis
Mitchell,
that you
have to
some
factors.
One is the
force
decommunal,
two,
according the
church
is to have
to have
repudio for
images
religiousas
and the
third is
about
some type
of language
that the
person
doesn't
exactly.
The case
is
she
she's not
like the
permission
and the
activity in the
house is
really a
really is living
with this
in the
hospital
in a
way to get a
she had to
get a
hallucinations
where I'm
going to move
the
head with
rapidness
or so
yeah
we're making
of a
performance
of a
movie
her column
she doble
to be
back
her man
she
she not
she not
was a
not something
clearly
was
doing
something
Influencied
Paranormal
So his mother
She said
That she
She'd like she
She'd like
To passivarly
With her
With orations
Sure
Only he said
O'Rare
I'm saying
Not it's
Like he
Domina
But he
Lograva
But he
Was it
So far
So she
She started
Her buskker
For a
Exorcista
But in
In that process
So
It's
So it
That one of
The
One of the
She
She's
She's the
She's
count, no
always
I'm always,
yeah,
mal.
It's
clear,
moments.
Dice
that one
they were in
them in you
sitting,
I'm doing
to the
television,
when she
said,
man,
he's
going to
start,
and I'm
going to
get to be
more
the story
of his
mom.
The
sillion
where she
was,
flotable.
Flotable.
This
was what
did not,
like the
alerted
maximum.
She,
for those
is like
to be
in
a exorcese
and
that's
how they're
how
you get
with
the
father
Jose
Antonio
Fortea
that
in the
2002
he's
the
exorcism
with
martha
discovering
that
his
was
that the
was a
little
five
demons
okay
all
did
their
name
there
there
there
there
one
there
but
they
they're
they're
they're
they
they're
and
they
they
discovered
because
a
ex-pare
of
her
a resentive
has a
a work
very strong
very
very strong
where he
he made
I don't know
how it
really
I don't know
I don't know
in the
case is
that she
has to
have problems
of health
and at
the same
time
she had
tormented
by demons
so
so they
were
giving
those
names
of the
demons
are five
here
let us
we
let's
let us
but
there
one
that
that no
I
didn't
give
his
name. Simply
no
I wanted
to give your
name.
They were
discovering that
every
this is,
this is
that's a
curious.
Every
every
she said
what is
what he
was a
one.
There was
one of
one of
those
was called
Azabel
that said
I don't
tolerer when
her mom
is over
close.
No,
I don't
doleau.
And
like they
were
discovering
the
debilities
of
each one
to
get those
like
expuls
we're
let's
say
but
there
one that
they discovered
after the
time,
because this
not is
like in a
ratito
it was,
if they've
a process
long of
a time
to be able to
the liberation
or the
exorcism
that the
last was
a subulon
This
had a
register
of that
had tormented
in the
age
media,
tant to
sacerdote
monjas
and had
been been
been
in the
years
80
also
for
the actual
Papa
in that
that's
but he
was the
he was the
he was the
he was the
leader of
this temple
that was
he gave to
get to be posited
for 50 demons
but he
was he was the
he was the
chance
for that
for he was
but he said
he said
during the
exorcism
that he was
he had
moments that he
not he
he had to
he had to be
he had to be
because he
he was
Lucifer
he said it was like that was the part
more difficult for that she could be liberated
or exorcisarce. But the question
here is, how is that a person
can't be able to be made by the other person?
So that is the question that me generate a noise.
Yes, yeah, sure.
So in what magnitude or probability
could pass this?
So, really,
someone could do this?
Yes, yeah, totally.
The Bible
Annara and says that
that there are maldicions
generational.
Okay?
So,
the malditions
generational are
maybe pactos
that are
our parents
or family
and there's.
And there's
you know,
you know,
I did this
and,
like,
my generation
or I did
for some
well,
normally the
pactos
are made
for convenience,
no?
Because I want
a
because I'm
a benefit
so.
So,
so,
all benefit
always
will
to have a cost. And you have
many not accept them,
but the fact that you
do you do, for benefit, always will
have to have a cost of occult, that's little
little, no, that's little. Although some of them, no, no,
no, it's certain, you let's do what you want,
if you want to do a guillita,
well, yeah, with that, is real?
No, I mean, all,
all, totally, it has a cost, really
all really, all have a cost. Okay.
And a cost to spiritual?
Yes, yes, yes, is spiritual.
Is that, look.
Or, you know, or is a cost to,
monetary. No, no, no, no, no.
Spiritual. Yes, because, at the end of
the money, for what they need are they?
Sure.
They're in the environment spiritual, so
not occupant money, no occupant
things of those.
What they do you
interest is your own. Okay.
Not your
money. Not you, nothing
more than your
alma. So, if
someone of your family
did some pact, he said some
convenio, he did a, what he
has done, that
that's a cadena
to be hered to
and it's to
and so.
For so
we're
in
romper
the malditions
generational.
Okay.
If your
parents,
they were
a pacto,
if your
parents
consulted,
and with
all respect
I do
but if
consulted,
but if they
consulted,
they've been
they've been
a portal.
Okay.
So,
if in
your house
there was
influence,
of chisceria,
of
So, that's
going to pass
to the
next generation
until
that's
a chain
of the maldition.
And fiftate
that is
curious because
well,
the cases
that have
given an
experience
but no
in my
house,
I've seen
things
and when
we're
when we
don't
the situation
oh,
is that my
my
suhry
he,
well,
practically
practice
brogheria
no,
in the
court
where most
pass
the
in the
recinted
there is
where
we get
like the
olorcito
So, yeah, when we
We're
really that
if there was
something that
It's not
Or dethrone this
No?
Always will
be,
the enemy
not enter
if you don't
let's chance
So,
so you don't
give a chance
no enter
Okay
But what
he needs
a little
A portecita
No,
it needs to
you make you
a ritual
No,
a portita
A portita
A chance
A chancisio
A,
A chancisio
A,
A stue,
And pooh,
Tomala
Let you give
the arm
to grab up
the foot
And, figure that, again,
what you said
of this
chica,
you comment about
that was
with 50
demonies,
is clearly
an example
of a possession.
Okay.
No?
Because she
had
lost the
control of
see.
I've
heard a
case of
this,
me he
he'll comment
a pastor,
an
friend,
a
similar,
where the
people
made them
to call
the pastor
because the
his
of a
woman
was
having
attitudes
very violent
he
had
had
got to
those of
the
family
so
the
mom
so
but
what
was
the
difference
and
this
I'm
because
there
a
when there
a
discontroll
and
when
yeah
is the
demon
that
possibly
the
first
is
the
first is
not
the
not the
same
all
we
know
we
we
know
to
get
to
that
is
very
different
Okay
So, then
The mama
See you know
The ira
Discontrolled
Well, it's
Normal
Normal.
Call the pastor
The pastor
And when
This person
Be to the pastor
He wanted
To let us
To let's
To those
All those
Goles
Okay
So the
Pastor
He said
He said
No
That someone
One
Obviously
We know
Obviously we
We're
We're
The
We're
Theos of
A
Partata
Wow
then he was the first
he did, and as if there's
if there's
no, for the liberation,
now I'm going to
commenter that he
the first
that he said,
detente in the
name of Jesus.
He was kept
quiet,
I wrote for him
and he
he was free.
Okay.
But then
I was going to
go to?
So,
so,
he was
able to
do you?
No,
there was.
The first,
the first
action
was controlled
by the
demonio.
Okay.
Because
was posited.
because he says that
he went
the
story
so on
a man
okay
the force
supernatural
for a
eventarla
but when
he
in the
name
of Jesus
detente
and in the
name of
Jesus
is free
the
man chas
he got
live
how we
know
a
sometimes
the
liberations
we're
not we're
not
because
there are
because
there are
people who
there are
people who
there's
there
of a lot
of much
peace.
Respirin
tranquill,
they're even
even even
even even
even even
even
but drastically
the rostically
the rostro
change.
So the
manned.
So, the
manned
his rostro,
kept seren
the
the next
reaction
was more
of you
made here
in this
because that
was what
said the
pastor
that had
said the
man.
And it
was like to
get
to get
and it
still being
he,
still being
but even
but the violence
was different.
Sure.
Yeah no
was aggressive,
yeah no
was supernatural
but it's more
more tranquil.
More normal
maybe,
no?
Exactly.
Wow.
Fidate
that I
took to be
also, I
have been
I've been
in congregations
and me
yeah,
the attention
or I'm,
I don't
that's that
you say,
because you say,
no those
you say,
but you know
is curious,
I'm,
so I'm,
so I'm honest,
because at
sometimes
I think the
all those
Arrador
and I
see the
who are
who are you
know,
and I'm
took to see
very people
that's
that they're
oh yeah
that's
that they
they're
that they
they're
and the
question here
that
this also
we've
talked about
in
questions
we're going to
change
to questions
catulical
many
many
acerotes
not
not
trymen
to
to realize
to
this
process
and I
have talked
also
the
moment
where the same demon
he's a trapitos
to the sun.
Totally.
That's
that's typical
is that
that's a
man.
Fichtate
that I
think I
think it
not is
very common
but
if it
does happen
because
because the
enemy
the devil
is that the
is that the
is that
is not
omnipresent
like
God
like God
so
so
we're
going to
let's
let's
let's
let's
let's
first
first
first
what we
we have
to
is that
the
devil
no is
any omnipresent
or omniscient,
or omnipotient.
It has
has been
limitations.
Yes.
Has it
a fact.
The devil
has a power.
But not is
all the
powerful.
Okay.
Like God.
Now,
what he
is that he
occupa certain
strategies,
herramientas
for that
you create,
you think
that he
has the
control?
Okay.
Because is
the father
of the
And that he has the power.
It's a series of
enganyos that you
get to believe that
he's a cargo.
So, there are
a relato in the
Bible, where
some people
were to operate
precisely for a
person demonied.
And the
demons were, and
they said,
oh yeah,
a Pablo,
that was the
apostle,
Paul,
we know,
but you two
don't know
those, we
know them.
So, so,
or,
for example,
in the
the movie that
just mentioned
about the
exorcist
of the
Papa.
Patia also.
Yeah,
yeah.
It's in a secedote
where the
was making the exorcism
because the demon
no, he said,
your secret.
Yeah,
I said,
he's got all the
lucurious and
all.
Precisely,
because what
is the
enemy of us
is of what
we gogey
our own.
Our debilities
because
we know
it's a
master in the
paciency.
Yes.
The time
that he
costs to study
that time
to do you
to get
the arms,
the servamient
that you
can't
care
or that
they'll
open a
point.
So,
obviously,
he
knows how
he's
going to
attack.
If you
have committed,
for
example,
I,
I'm
I'm
took to
work for
some people
that were
posseidas
or more
or more
that they're
like,
because
they're not
they're not
because they're
not even
they're
they're not
a language
but
no language
they were
so they're
so they're
so they're
so they're
they're
so they
they're
so they
the point where
you're
in the
middle of the
oration.
Oh,
and I'll
say to say
why.
Okay.
I'm sure.
That's
good question.
Yeah, it's
pretty much.
When
you get to
that point
that you
you're in the
liberation,
to all us
has passed
to all of
that we
know, I
know, I'm
talking about,
I was a
person, in
some moment,
he has been
that's been
so that's
so that's
all in
some moment,
because obviously
the devil
is the
acusable is the
accuser.
Well,
the
Bible
the accuser.
So the first
that is
accuser.
Look,
but you
did this?
But you
did the other?
But you did
you did this
here and here.
And obviously
you're going to
get your
pecados
to make sure
to humiliate.
Because the
intention is
that you
you get
concentration,
you know,
you're the
authority,
no,
and at the
moment of
that you ced
then he
has, then
what we're
we're doing,
or in
this case
We're always, for
So, for so
we're always
We're going to
The Christians,
all the Christians
pecan.
All those Christians are,
all those.
We're all.
So, no,
nobody is,
nobody is exempted
to beckar.
I don't know
how many times
have peccado
today, but
what is the,
the interesting
is that we're
to start
all the time
in communion with
God,
I'm saying
and to be
pardon
always and
to be
always, and
a thing
very important
is to
be directed
by the
Spirit
Santo.
The Spirit
Saint
is the
that
the truth of justice
So when
we're in
a situation
like that
the first
we're going to
we're going to
me question
you know,
for the
regular we don't
we don't
we'll ask
how you
call you
Okay, here
no,
who are you
do you know
for the
regular no
okay
what we do
what we're
we're saying
is to
let's your
story
because at the
more
you did you
did you
did you
did you
not not
not not
not so
not so
how
say to
to
to put
differentiate
between
a
one
a
influence
demoniac
and at
the other
the person
has
had been
a
crisis
because
there are
there
is a
emotional
emotional
if a
crisis
of panic
could
be
for something
and that
really
really not
is a
demonio
as
so
when the
person
really
really
no
because if
did this
this
we did
we know
well
then
then this
person
that
so if
we do we do. Okay. When the person
Yeah, when in crisis, manifessing
only there's a
one, be free in the
name of Jesus. It's all.
It's all. Because
the Bible says, and in my
name, they're, they're
out of demons. Yes, yes, yes.
No, there's no.
First, ask them.
No, biblically, the
instruction is, in my name,
they're going to turn around
demonious. So, what we're
doing to get, and in the
name of Jesus, be
free.
Oh,
right
that I'm
listening to
the people
and I'm
not in
when I'm
when I'm
when I'm
think I'm
I want to
I'm
want to do
but I'm
let's go
but I'm
going to
but the
demonio
has to
go to
a fursitas
no is
that we're
to goceal
ohho
that doesn't
mean
that don't
that exist
demonies
that need
that they
do they
do they do
do so
the demons
are
so the
demons are
That's, I want to
make sure.
The moment is not
some kind of
some kind of
things
like, well,
so they're
like,
those peritos
like the parritos
like, no.
There are
hierarchies,
yeah,
but from
the more small,
from the
range of the
range of
the rangererer.
It's an...
The chocarrerer.
Yes.
It's intelligent.
Okay.
Because,
because
occupant strategy,
occupant
many things
to put many things
to make
so, then
once that you
know,
these demons
are intelligent,
they're
going to
try to
many
forms of
not
not to
get from
the person
when the person
they gave
a chance
no,
it's that
me
I'm doing
it's
with the
right,
I'm
I'm,
I'm
give a
permission
to be
to be
here.
So, you
have given
the permission
but
that
that is
property
of God
because
the
bodies are
because the
people are
prestated
so,
so that
that's a
temple of
the
Spirit
Santo.
Okay.
In the
name
of Jesus
be
free. And
there's
and there's
no I want
and there's
where you
don't know
that's
that's
so what we
need to
always we're
sure is
that we're
that we're
we're
to talk with
and firmness
okay
much security
so the
so the
times that me
I've
talked to
orer
for people
normally
or the
few times
because I
have few
experiences
no had
no had
a negotiation
like
I was
to do
to do
to the
The truth, because
I mean, that's
to be there
I'm not
if you're
no,
yeah,
yeah,
I don't,
I'm not,
the first,
the first,
the first time
did a
fear of the
Yeah, I'm,
that's, I'm,
that's,
I was,
I was,
I was,
with my pastor,
and said,
you know,
there's,
there's,
you know,
a person,
you know,
a person,
that's,
but I'm,
but I'm,
but I'm
a little,
oh, no,
no,
no,
no,
almost,
so,
young,
so,
young,
very young.
Okay.
I think I'd
go and I
about for the
18, 20
more or
less or less
and then
I remember
of some
some I'm
like that's
I'm going to
say he was
to get the
trapitos
obviously
obviously
yeah
I had paid
pardon
and I
have read
with the
but
even the
accuser
you know
to make
dardos
yeah
he
he can
he can
let
he can't
the
enemy
the enemy
the
but
but he
he
but he
he
he
and as
he
he can
and as
he
know
also
what you
did you
manned
you
do you
say you
say it's
you
you know
so you
is that
is that you
can't
learn my
mind
but I
think
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
remitted
with the
blood
of Jesus
I
was
pardoned
and
I'm
so
you
don't
you
know
I'm
so
I'm
so
when I
when
came
the
Chimaka
I
said
no
in the
name
of
Jesus
and to
the
we
Yeah, so it's not
that's that we're going to
Yeah, well,
well, you know,
how are you?
In the Bible
he said in the
relator, I think
as a example
of that a person
can be very
influenced by
or very posseid
for many
demons.
There's a
case of a
gaderena,
no see
if you've
heard of Jesus
with the seros
with the seros
exactly, exactly
and we
and us
and it's
like the
magnitude
the magnitude
the people
the temia,
not.
The teamia
was in
catenado
rompia
the
Cadenas.
Yeah.
It's a
So, so, if it
does it,
okay.
So,
so, a
person, we
know we're
able to
and he
oh, and
when a
person
little bit,
we need to
order for
that person
for that
that's
space that
is a
full for
God,
in this
case,
for the
spirit
and when
one person
gets
free
of the
the
God and
the enemy
or the
Spirit Santo and the enemy
and they can
convivir in a
same abitation.
Okay.
Or is, or
is God, or
is like,
or is the
enemy.
Or the devil.
Or a
demonio.
When the
demonio
is we have,
we have
we have to
pray,
that God
who take that
God, because
if it gets
a vacue
for say,
the Bible
says that
the demonios
caninan,
vuelan,
or no
see,
divagan
to find a new
a new
home
if not
they're
they're
they're
they're
they're
but they're
seven more
so they're
okay
so so
so for that
we're always
we're trying to
talk about
with the person
that has been
later later
then we're
there's not
there's
but procuramos
to do
that's
not something
that I think
is a
pass one
one or two
or three
but if
we're
we're
we're saying
you know
that's
that in the
name
of Jesus
that
that's
full of the Spirit
Santo,
that God
is that the
liberation
is that the
thing we need to
we're going to
accept to Jesus
in your
for that he
be the
single,
the same,
sufficient, and
obviously
one once
that you accept
to Jesus in your
heart,
God
you can't
always.
Okay.
Yeah,
no could
have more
possession,
nor more
manifestations.
So,
I can't be
there in
manner
external and
can have
attacks
to you,
but
never will
to be
to be
posseid,
salvo
that you
will be
to open
the door
and that's
a lot of
that's
that's
that's
why you're
that's
why the
people
can live
their life
normal.
Here I
about the
people
not posseidas
the
people
those people
that have
their
life
can be
that's
all
their life
but
get to
a point
to
and
they're
they're
they're
they
they're
they're
they're
they're
they're
they're
they
What's what?
Fugate, in the Bible had a
relato of a
woman that
says that
he'd
18 years with
an
person
and say,
well,
I'm
and I'm
and I
I'm
I'm
how time
to
pass for that
you generate
a habit,
21 days.
Okay.
So I
think that
after a
certain time,
you're
to be used
to get a
normal, that
dream with
that's
that's normal
that be a
sombras
is that
is normal
that
it's
a custom
so,
so it's
a situation
that's a
situation that
you get
to assimilar
to accept
to which
not should
be
we're
we're always
to have
a life
and in
peace
I think
it's
better
in the
that God
doesn't
want
that we
want to
we
see we're
but
but
the
people
as you
you
said in
the
question
They can't have many years
And at the point
That's where there's
When there's a point where there's
No, there's no more
The demons no resisted
The name of Jesus
No, no
No, no, no
No, no support the name of Jesus
What they're in them,
When they're there?
What is the sense?
It's like no I'm, I mean, I'm
I'm going to go
And it's when it's when
So,
it's a flot
the,
the
bad at the
attitude,
or the
influence
that this
person
carga,
that I think
I,
or by you
I've
that I'm
that the
same time
provoked
a question
in the
life of
the world,
that a
situation,
a more
economic,
this,
this can be
so,
okay.
As we
we say
there's a
banico
no,
of the
possibilities.
What
they're
saying,
not could
say it's
never been
in this
situation,
but
talking
with
persons that
is something
is something
is something
is that
something I'm
impulsed,
is that something
is that
something and it's
something that I
can't
control and
ohho,
with what
I'm going to
comment with
with much
of delicacy
the
people with
schizophrenia
or the
people who
people who
can't
or that
are people
are people
are people
that are
posseidas.
Okay.
Poseidas
or
influenceia?
Poseididas
because
they're
actions that
not are
voluntary
something
something
something I'm
saying
I'm doing
so I'm
so if
for me
I'm not
I would have
done
normally
they're
especially
especially when
they've
have desvivido
okay
to someone
so
so so
so so
so
so when
so says
I don't
say I'm
he said
I'm
it was like
a moment
I
think it
I'm
I'm
I'm
the case
of the
war and
the
devil
me
obliged
exactly
Exactly.
Any more,
nor less.
And then
obviously there was
an super
influence and possession
and there was a
whole an altar
there, no?
Yeah,
so,
yeah.
And obviously
between more
chance lead is
like I said
more force
will have to
okay.
And retomando
what you
feel like that
something that
something else
or that
someone else
or in this
case we
we say we
did we say
that I
said that
I said that
I had been
that I had been
called
for this
yeah
that had
like the
link
exactly
with the spiritual
and obviously
I was being
engaged.
The voice
not was
not the
of God
or the
of any of
any of
something.
Exactly.
Wow.
Figgette
that for
this point
I want to
talk the
theme
famous
I don't
see if
did the
movie
the exorcism
of Emily
Rose
no
no no
I don't
I don't
I've seen
I'm
I'm
I'm going to
see my
child and I
was being
dormied and
I was
being
but I'm
interested
much
know
because that
was based
in a
actual real.
And here
is where
we're
about the
case of
Anna Ellis
Mitchell.
The
seniorita
or the
woman
that
does
a life
to do
investigating
me
well
I think
that this
pass in
Germany
on 21
September
of
September
of 1952
that is
when
she's
a question
that
me give
the
attention
nace
can
a
cout
but
fathers
that
are
some
Summated
Catholic
of these
that's
that's
that's
something that's
a lot of
people are people
that's satanized
for them
so that's
satanized for
people
people who are the
people who
are much
this question
her mom
she considered
impura
the mom
of analysis
because
years after
she had
had been
a child
and then
so that
in those
in those
years
like thatchated
a little
to the
people
and even
she castes
with a
black
representing the
impuresa
this is in
the history
you can gogulier
for those
who don't
me crean
in googleal
so
and so
his papa
was a person
a
a person
a person
very free
a
X
well
she
was the
her
her
and
was
really
really
a
Catholic
a
a
little
a
very
she
was
very
very
good
she
in
or
in
his
resos
etc
well
the
question
is
that
when
when she
Cumple and 19 years
commenced
to have
to have
to have
so repentinos
Okay
he was
they were
a family
pudient
of a economy
and they
started things
of health
she
he diagnostico
the epilepsy
in the
lobulo
temporal
he started
to give
medications
but
all this
produced
a
empeoramient
in the
situation
then
then that
she was
very nice
was a
person
aggressive
Mordia
his family
and different
doctors
they evaluated
but
they were
not much
really
the diagnostics
were very
vagus
okay
no there
was like
like
like that
something
then decide
they interna
to internar
in an
hospital
psychiatric
this
what he
did
do you know
was in peor
the situation
because
she had
the
she had
his career
and everything
she had
truncated
then
she came
in depression
all this
is in pejora.
She's
out of
the hospital
because
the plan
they're
very
very deprimed
but when
it's
this,
let us
say we're
more turbue
he's
to have
voices in
your
what you
said,
that you
say this
does this
does the
other
he's a
attack
to his
family
but
he's
not more
here
is where
there's
the
requisite
of the
church
catulica
she
began
to have
repudio
for
the
images
religious, the crucesitas,
the rosaries,
and the family
was that
began to
suspect that
they were not
about a
case of
a possession
of a possession.
For not
not to
do the
long,
this
chica
manan
his solicitude
to the
Vatican
was rejected
because
the requisite
were three
and he
had more
no,
no had
the don't
the don't
to talk
language
or the
quality of
language
raras
only repudiable
let's
the images
Christianas
so in
this process
her situation
she had been
she had
she had to
encadener
because she
had been
attacked against her
but
but what
curious
the situation
imporra
but the
things
also
they were
going to
these
questions
that before
before
was the
before the
before the
I was
the
talking
in
voices,
o'ho,
no,
I'm not,
they're in
different voices.
Voces.
So,
it's like if
when I
said a
word and said
three, four
persons.
How's the
movies?
How's
they've been the
movies?
Yeah.
So, even
so,
then this
where it's
the situation
more heavy.
Okay.
Fuerte.
Yeah,
is when the
church
says, okay,
so,
so,
so, yeah,
no, it's
that we're,
so,
yeah,
they're,
they're,
they're,
they're,
they're,
they're
to practice,
two exorcisms
for a
session at
six hours
we're talking about
the difference
for the difference
for what you
say you're
no,
but it was
there was a
a lot of
a lotch
constant
that gave
to 67
exorcisms
brother
67
in that
in that process
her
health
her state
his state
physical
was very
bad
she had
suffered
pneumonia
desidatation
desnutrition
she
she
She came to start in a situation where she fractured
two shoulders, because she attempted
against her own to his own
his own body. I mean, it was
literally, she wasotable against the
piece with the roadies.
So, then
he started to do
many questions,
something rareas.
Agarrave animals of
his court,
she was cooked
crud,
okay.
She was to make a
own own,
many situations.
Obviously, the
body no,
want to,
and having a
situation like the
that I describe,
well,
because she
apart of this
world,
her,
I have much
fear and part of this
world.
What curious
what I want
in this
part of the
practice is
after your
fallycement
and then the
investigations
and the
pastor, because
he was a
pastor and the
family are
accused by
omicidia
for negligence
because
supposedly
that not was
a case
of position
but it was
a case
of schizophrenia
extreme
that was
basically
like the
resolution
okay
a
from here
the
church
to put
a quarter
requisite
that's
during the
sessions
of exorcism
has been
an expert
in the
health.
So,
for
to give
these
questions.
One
a person
said
that a
demonio
what will
do you
is
do that
what he
has
that is
that is
sabidurial
or
toorgate
misteries
so
not only
is
just to
do things
for example
they said
that's
model, the don of the
architecture.
So,
that could you
could have
things,
now so how
we can't
call it?
So,
normales,
or I don't know
how to say it,
but do
do things
of a prodigio.
So,
yeah,
that's the
word.
So,
so here
here comes
the way
to talk in
language,
so,
about other
other
languages,
not angelical,
spiritual,
as human,
then the
question here
is,
you think
that in this
case,
we're
about some
of a
kind of a
infirmidate or
we're about
of influence or
possession.
Okay.
Because if it's a
case, I think
Fortisome is the
most famous.
Yes,
sure.
Fivote
that there's
various,
various points
that I
would like
to boarder
in this
story that's
that's a
interesting.
De Entrada
is a
case of
possession
demoniac
because he
has a
control.
Yeah.
No,
pierde the
control.
The influence
normally the
people who
have influence
are
attacked,
uh,
but no
they're not
they're doing
do so
the people
when they're
to have taken
control of
their
person when
they're going to
consider that
this is a
not necessarily is a
pass or a
requisite
but I'm
talking about in
evidence
of testimonies
of persons
that have
told and
so on the
relato
biblical of
the galadeno
that was
posited
or there
there
other relato
for example
for example
to do
the difference
there
there
there is a
relato
biblical that
says that
a woman
to talk
to Jesus
because he said
is that my
daughter
has been
that's being
posseated
but the
mom was being
at tormented
yeah
so the mom
had an
influence but
not was
posseid
the
the little
the nina is
the girl is
the
kind of
doing this type
of things
but the
mom
was being
being
atormentada
for the
person
okay
so Jesus
he says
to your
house
your
has been
has been
has been
liberated
wow
so
yeah
With more
things, no?
Since 67.
So,
okay.
So,
so,
with this
case,
clearly there
was a
possession
demoniac,
no.
Now,
there's
something
and this
pertainse
only and
exclusively
to the
Christianos.
Okay.
That is
the discernment
of spirit.
Okay.
The discernment
of spirit
is a
direction that
you do
unique and
exclusively
God or
or the
spirit
Saint
for
to know
the
difference
when
someone
is the
when it's
the devil
and when
it's the
because
there are
because there
are
that they're
that's
that's
that's
but there's
there's
people who
are demons
that
cause
that causes
so
then
what is
the
difference
or how
you
you're
going to
do you
have
to be
merely
the
Spirit
Santo
dirigient
and
casually
I don't
know
no
no
or that or that
someone that has
been tried to
be free and
not had
had terminated
desvivided
yeah
no no
because because
our principal
is that the
person is
that we're free
we don't
we don't know
we have options
yeah
now
why why
why it was
that's about
that maybe
it was
that all about
and then
there was like
calm
and then
then again
because there exist
the negotiations
like I said
normally
normally that
when these
people who
these people who
have been
and they're
a other
other type
of,
of no see
of the
help
to be able to
the only thing
is a negotiation
okay
I go with
a cheeseroy
I'm saying
a busheria
and I'm
I don't you
do you know
I'm gonna
get some
I'm
something to
really what is
a new
that is a
that is a
that is a
negotiation
there's
There's a
literally
there's
that person
that person
not is
free
yeah
all what
that's
that's
that's
he's
the enemy
okay
so that's
the famous
negotiation
the negotiation
to be
I'm
I'm going
but
you're
you can
pass
this
uh
they're
they're
they're gonna
they're
they're in
others
for example
it's
it's very
violent
we're
we're
so okay
yeah
not it's
but
now it's
another
consequence
because
because
Or, you know, you know, we're going to, you know, we're going to stay.
Okay.
But there we're going to start.
Or, like, in the case that I said, of the Bible,
of the woman that was ill-informed 18, 18 years.
18 years.
Until that was with Jesus, you know,
you know, you know, that you're going to be a demonia.
Yeah.
That's it's a problem.
Okay.
Cere?
List.
Listern, so, no, I'm more.
Sana, all instant.
Well, two questions,
I see, let's see, let me remember.
One, me have to record,
on a case,
not I
want to say the
name,
but it's a
very famous
that's a
house because
the family
was experimenting
much activity
paranormal.
Demasiatar
so he
gets, he
says,
I'll
open a
portal,
we'll see
what's
going to be
a study
the theme
because it's
very powerful
that's a
person of that
this is a
man,
he says
family
here what
there is
there's the
demonio
is the
devil
okay
and he
he has
I was living
many
they're
to acquire
to get your
house
to get to
Fonavit
who's
yeah,
the question
is that the
question is that the
president of
the program
and say,
hey,
how we
we're
doing the
attention to
your response
because I
think,
I go,
the logical is,
no,
well,
we're going to
let us
know,
and he's
that's that
I'm not
I'm going to
do you know,
no I'm
put to check
because it's
what I'm
let me a
photographia
every one
those
I'm
my recinto
and we
we're going to
we're going to
we're like to
them
for that he
let us
don't know
the problem
is going to
so it's going
where the
people put
his photos
in the
little people
no people
no
well we're
so
yeah
disminoyer
those
but
that thing
there's
there really
he's really
he was
he's that
he's
he's
he's
it's your
car
no
no I'm
what I'm
what I
do
what I can
do
is that
can't
Calming.
But
Negotiate?
That's right.
So if we
We'll see the
other side of those
us, we're
why you
go?
In our
case is
so we don't
we can't
tolerate and
we can't
negotiate with
the enemy.
We're not
negotiating.
Okay.
Because in
first place
all the
lives
they pertainsen
to God
and all
the people
for much
that you
have done
chance to
the enemy
to enter
your
life
to be
to be
a year.
Okay.
One
a question
before
that's
that's
people
that say
impact.
Yeah, my
life is of Satanus or
of Lucifer,
it's of
them,
can retomar
another of your
life normal in
God?
Or is like,
no, it's
that you
manchasted
or you're
marked or
or the
Alma,
yeah,
the soul
yeah,
there's a
little bit of
the Cautivus
of the
author Rebecca
Brown.
Ooh,
is the
book,
you know,
you've
heard?
Yes,
but because
the
people that
the
people that
have
had
many
many
things
in
his
Oh, yeah, totally.
Oh, oh, the
books that I'm going to mention
an author,
have to be careful
because this type of
things,
although you're not
for all.
Because there are
people who are
people who are
that people
or the
you're in the
church,
not you're doing a
person 100
protected for God
because if you
are you're
you're having
doors.
Or you're
peaking.
The enemy
will enter
to another
form.
But, well, the story of this person
She said that she did
She's a woman
Yeah, satanista
And it was a Christiana,
yeah, she said the story
But, but, but
renunci-
Yeah, so,
renunci-oh, so,
renunci-oh,
obviously,
to you renuncias
to you say,
you know,
I want to do you
want to do you,
and you
start your
prayers,
the enemy,
the enemy,
went to,
I think he went
to be one of
the brusas
most
powerosos
no?
The most
poweros
she casto
with Satanas.
It was
one of his
espos
He got
to have
relations
Intimates
Ojo
there
boy
Since
he's
he said
the
after
he went
to get
the hour
of the
boda
he said
he's
a typas
so
quapissimo
hermoso
caballieros
always
always
the
the man
perfect
he says
no
if so
is the
diablo
yeah
okay
okay
but we
remember
we're
we're
we're
we're
so
then the
night
of
the
He said that he said, literally, she was talking with satanass.
She went, like, like, give me chance that I'm going to change.
I'm going to be able to be as well.
When he regressa, it was a beastia.
Wow.
It was a beastia.
And that night, it said that was the worst experience.
It was lostimated, destrozened, downedism, and even heredas.
because it's
because it's
that part
I don't know if this
word is pervada, brutal
or bestial
literally was like
an animal
there's like
there's
okay
then from there
then from there
he wasco
a quote
I'm free
rompioces
catenas
to have
to have taken
the rank
to the
lack of
the compromise
history
number two
there's
I'm
I'm because
are books
because are
are testimonies
and are
written.
This book
is called
Lucifer
destronado
and this
book is of
a ex
vampire.
Real?
Yes,
yeah,
real,
yeah.
Not of those
that's
not of the
vampire.
Ah, yeah.
Yes,
the vampire
or the busi-elagos.
Someone who
was a
person who had
a pacto, he was
a certain
to make a
story,
that he normally
would change
the cheques
of the
church
of satanica
to the bank
and then
one of the
cajero
he said
said he said
and then
they said
and then
I'm sorry
I'm sorry
I'm sorry
every cheque
that I put
in the
recive
no
in the voucher
I'm
oh a
verseic
of the
Bible
so that
so that
he said
well
what you
don't know
what you
is that you
know
I know
you need
you
you need
you
story
story short
I'm
Libre. Wow. No, inventes.
Well, these
books, oh, family, no
are not for all. Because
I've got, of actually, a person
fiatte, that
that's, that's, he, that's
going to come to tell what he's living. Okay.
He's saying that's
experimenting much
activity, strong, in his
house, um, some
some advice that you can't
do? Yes, yeah, totally.
Because I also, because I
also, I mean, I'm,
I'm listening to, yeah.
I worked in a library. In
that library, they'd
in this book. Okay.
the freedom of the coutives of the captives of ravecabrown normally the people that
are going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be someone okay
or that they're in a situation so they're looking help uh...
uh... and it terminate mal okay because that's the
book is very delicate if no lo lees of the form correct and in the context
corrective is a book is a new informative okay but they're going to informate to
you for
to know how
it's
and the
people who
learn normally
they're
in a problem
and they're
looking
something and
what they're
like to
get more
because
they're in
a little
influence
and they
get to
get to
things like
those
recommendations
in
first place
if you
have a
situation
in your
house
no
you know
you
don't
use a
book
no
you have
you
have to
look
the
solution
and
the
Jesus. Okay. No
there's more.
Yes. A pastor,
a church
Christian. And you know,
he's about
with the pastor.
Even,
of the
really,
there in my
social,
I would be
to look to
some pastor.
Yes.
And that we're
we're we're
for these
people.
Okay.
Ojo,
here are
many people
who have
written the
correo because
I've
got a
for the
call me
but I've
got to
give us
help me.
So,
So in this moment
I'll
I'm going to
say to you
for example
are in the
reds of him
I'm not
a monologo
no expert
I'm a
person who
those can
help us can
orientate or
me I'm
I'm going to
if we're
so we're
no sure
totally
perfect
perfect
friend
brother
something
with what
you want to
you
want to
do you guys
did you
did you
did this
before
I'm the
I'm the
only
the only
I think
about three
three years
more
or less
I'm in a
community
in a community
in a
campament
of children
I'm going to
do two
things before
Oh,
time, time
the person
of Betania
not if it's
the person
that I,
those who
were the
story of my
abelita
no
know if
is the
pastor that
is the
person that
no,
no,
no,
no, okay
yeah,
so this
no, this
me,
but not
was a
case
of
something,
something,
okay.
I was
for an
work,
yeah,
it was like
at a time,
and I had
to be able
to get to
get to be
backations.
Okay.
So,
I was trying to
get to
those
were a
campment of
the children.
Okay.
Yeah,
all the
people,
all the
people, I'm
there, I'm
never, I,
was a car,
of the pastor,
of a church,
that's about
there.
So,
so I'm
so I'm just
a parvada.
Tuck,
too,
much
you know, and
they started
to laden
to laden
to the
perils,
much,
much,
much.
And I
heard a
woman
gritter
very
very
very feo,
very
very disgaradour
I said
to,
to who
they've
lived,
or are
to who
are who
are
doing,
or
doing
things
bad,
because
he's
he's
he's
heard
a lo
and then
me
detuve
and me
parr, and I
I had the
sensation of that
I was coming
by the road,
not for the
street, but
it was
it was more
closer,
more
closer, more
but then
then he was
and he
he'd
and he
did I'm trying
to send me
my documents.
Like at the
five minutes,
10 minutes
maybe,
again,
they're
to laddrae
and laddra
and ladder to
the perils
and this
this time
was very
very, very,
very, very
very
I just
me asomed
for
to see
I'm passing
for the
okay
and the
really,
as I'm
my mom
to be able
to be able to
I'm going
to go
because
with the
commission that
I've
I can't
do you
know me
can't
do anything
so I'm
a good
is that I'm
a good
but I'm
going to be
a authority
no
or the
authority of
the authority of
yeah
but
but I was
no
so I'm
so me, I went, but
at the end of
I don't
listen to
nothing.
Simply
I used
like if
he was
retired and
he'd go and
he'd go and
he'd
he'd be
to hear of
you know,
but I'm
not, but I'm
paralyzed
or no.
What you
think is that
could have
been?
No,
I said,
no,
well,
was the
Yorona.
Yeah,
yeah,
the yorona.
The Yorona.
That's
just,
I don't know
if at the
point,
we're just
we're just
a chapter
of the
Yorona,
but it's
a
or at least here in the region of, no, it's
that we're going to listen to a woman and the
perils, and the typical of that if you're close,
it's a lot of, and vice versa.
It's a classic.
No, manches, I mean, tremendous, tremendous.
Me, you know, with the activity that you want to do,
or the exercise, or what you're going to say.
Look, it's something for those who are you seeing.
Okay.
With this, I want to see howar.
If you me do you.
Adelante.
The Bible says that he came to give liberty to the captives.
Yes.
Jesus says that in my
name, Charan,
out of demons.
So, if
someone is
having some
some type of
a lot of this,
God
wants that you
are free.
God,
not that you
want to be
that's not.
God wants to
live that you
live in plenitude.
So,
I would like
to pray
for the
people that
you're doing.
Adelante.
And also
for you.
Yes,
you can't.
Adelante.
If you
you're seeing
this
I'm
to put your
hand on your
telephone
or in the
this is a
this is not
this is not
not it's
because if
I'm
transfer the
but it
because the
faith
actua
because the
fact that
so the
then so the
putting the
mind is
because I'm
because
it's not because
it's a
magic
okay
put your
put your
man
and I
want to
put you
put you
father in
the
name
of Jesus
if
there
is someone
that is
someone
that's
with some demon in your house,
call me of the infirmidate,
call me to influence a demoniac,
call mehse of manifestations,
of what it is.
In the name of Jesus,
I reprendo,
in the name of Jesus,
loato and it's made out of
out of the name
all-poweroso of Jesus.
No pierced your time,
friend,
acercate to God,
let that God enter in your
heart, that
the
Lord, that
is the
that you
care,
the
that he's
his,
the spirit
santa
you know,
you can't,
you
and he
and he
he protect
in the
name of
Jesus.
It has
happened,
what has
happened,
no
it does
you know,
God,
and is
disposed
to
do you
know,
amen.
What do
do you
do you
say,
put in
the
comments,
I'm
to put in the
comments,
what
what
what
they're interesting. I'm going to
start reading them. And, well,
family, muchismas to all those
who you've got to here. Israel,
much more thanks for
to you. Thank you. And,
well, family, we'll see
in a new chapter. We'll
hope. I mean, me
it's got. I mean, me
so much. And we're just
looking more ahead. Benditions.
Bye.