EXTRA ANORMAL - 108 | Ofrecí a mi hijo a LA SANTA MUERTE para recuperar mis dones #podcast

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

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Hello, Hello, how people, be welcome to a episode more of podcast extra anormal. My name is Pacuarias and I'm very

happy to be here with all you this occasion I'm very content because me accompany my good friend Rene. How are you? How you are you? People, that are in the channel of ExtraNormal. Me, it's a much

to salute them. Start in this hermosa city of Tustepa, Waxaca for the first. And, well, the poder start with all of you relato, that in the long of many years, we've putied to recopilar

in a work of investigation and today, satos in this Mesa at side of you, I'm here Paco, well,

to share those your auditorio, with your audience, with the people that you've been in the red

social and and over all the few times, the way phantasmagoric if it's like that.

Very padre. Vena, thank you. The reality is that well, as you know, you know,

we're you know, is that we're not, it's that we're not, we're not, but it's a other

little bit so I'm so I'm so I'm very contented that you If you're the first first time

that's being a chapter of us. You invite that you subscribe, that active is the campanita

if you're on Spotify. Also, we can't continue for the time. I mean, I

want to say that we're what is the community of telegram. They can find the link in the

description for that you're part more active of the community. Before to start,

I'd like you'd you presentes, how you you're to do you and what are your

social? Well, for all the people that will be René Morales Trujillo. I'm licensed

in Sciences of the Communication and currently geren't a station of radio that's called the Patron 94.5

FM in Cordova Veracruz but apart of this and at the long of 20 years

as well as well as the locutor I'm practically the person that's a person that

to listen to hear your stories of MED with the Rana as if you can look

in Facebook in YouTube also in Spotify and well the only that has to do is put stories of the Rana and the mysteries of the world and well

there's there's of other many things that's many things that we can afforded in the program so if we want to continue there let's come

thank you very thank you first to start family I'll tell you this will be a very special we're going to

be partying different relato as as well as as René also has kind of that is

anecdotas, stories, and about what's 10 years, me you said? The program actually is, it's, it's about 13 years, 20 years. My gente has

toped with tremendous anecdotes. No, imagineate how many stories us have told a long of many of the people,

I'm a person, that's a person, that's a time, that's been parted in radio, in the social,

no we've been many, have been less, and we've worked much in the question radiophonic,

and, well, in this occasion yeah, also in the networks but if you imagine to the long long of

many times how stories I've heard how much the work of investigation has done and about how many conclusions we've

taken. Thanks to all what the people has talked about people of the public Mexican that

us listen to North America that's in Central America in South America people who even is at the other

side of the ocean and well well well, so happy to put in this occasion

to tell great stories great relato that we've had been to hear over the long of

many, I'm quite because I'm in the short-plas that I'm listening anecdotes

me impression no I'm going imagine the great of the stories that you

that you have you're that you have you don't know I'm I'm asking

to the people to my people and my people who think in the phenomenon

paranormal. Here, I call has been the experience paranormal that you have been told

or yet that's personal more more well, I think in some

moment and I have talked with other people in the opportunity to

about this type of context first, first and in a moment I said

I have my top five of my top 10, of my top 10, and I'm

in reality Kremel don't, no, I don't have a top of stories because

there many many times that have been very significative, and this

is what I want to say to you that we're looking. There are many contexts to be able to first and

before we're on this of the phenomena. Are situations that I want to make clear from the

podcast for that you can't imagine the phenomenon of a way different to how

maybe it has heard or so they've talked. These reglas are,

let's perspectives that are generated of a cosmovision. after literally, as I'm going to

question to the dogma. Why? Because to talk things like like the religion is something very difficult. Imagine to be at the spejo

in God, crese in this type of things. I mean, those, you know, so you can pass many

things before and after this situation. But it's basic that you question of the things

for that not care in what that normally the people of some other manner

is involved when I'm about this type of contexts. There are some these rules

for us and so I'm sure that they can serve point number one in this

in this chapter in this podcast Paco all what I want to

be to really situations that me have been and more

and more that so are opinions two nobody is

doing of the fact, for end and at not be the fact we have to have a mind very

abjured to understand that what here he's there's a function and if you want you say that

it's entertainment well, but you can't you learn, you can you enter in other contexts. For the

human it's more easy to accept than think and based in that the part that the part that

it's when no no we question us and another of the important for that you create a cosmovision

needs to need to be able to ask us and have to realizeselas for that you can't

have different perspectives about the phenomenon and a fifth and I'm going to invite to

you that you're looking is at the fact that you have you the aperture

to understand that the things all over all, absolutely totally totally

have an explanation logical or rational and that much times, and based on the other contexts

that I've been talking, because, disgraceably, we can't in simply simply simply see, be from

a point no objective, and that part complicate all. So, why do you about this? Because,

fiftate that in all the stories and of those you you've talked, that you

ask, what would be top, the different stories that I'm going to talk, entran and

this type of phenomena. The first story to that I'm enfrent when I initial the program that in those initials or its origins, it's called, Quintasel to Patron,

a program exclusively of radio. I top with another person that also initially was in that moment as an investigator

of the phenomenon, and both, agenos in a certain aspect, say, to the

10 years after what we've experimented in that we've got to this first experience

so incredible that I remember as a fact I'm something I'm saying that when I initial the

program when we we started stories we start to hear stories it's impossible

not suggestion and the suggestion is the instrument number one for that many things

of Phenomero Paranormal CEDN Sure So, So imagine then that we

We know We're in where I came to my house and I was in where I was

I had to have much contact with the famous paradolias and if you don't have a

reference that is a paradolia The parodolia is like when when I see you

enter into a house and you go to see to see the blue the

normally is this has it has it has figures, no? And of you know, oh, is that I'm

seeing a guy of a man. Oh, is that I'm going to the car of a demonio. No, really are actually, are the effects of the Cerebrough and of the view that they're saying

that. Well, I'm going to be able to Paco, that's point I don't have any reference of the phenomenon as a lot.

Only I heard I'm I'm going to call to the phone and they're saying, oh, is that I'm, I'm to give me

to my house because you want to talk to things that that have passed, things that

that's happening and all this role. Well, and the reality is that we

decided we to get to this point. For this, we're we're and this

place to get us I'm came to the end very tethric for the conditions

in the in those we're imagine if you a central of trains

of the of the those of the trents are traditional obviously is a place

seven vies and well trains estationationation and to a part in where is, like it's a

big thing a little barranca in in the middle of the person says that you do you live there down. From all right

from it's like that's like like the movie of the Bluja de Blere when we we get us we're getting

to the house and in the house we received a woman. Hello, how are you so and

I'm much good to saludalos thanks for thank you what I've talked about for this

she has she has she has certain abilities that she type of things,

that was what we got the attention. So, we were we're the

first of a investigation of the phenomenon, and we did it to make a person.

We're in that person, in that instant there, um, there's there's situated, and we

start receiving, we start to talk to many things. I'm a companyer who he's about with questions

and questions and questions and questions and I give the attention because I'm going to observe

the context of the house, in a a house of madera, with some quarters, and

between us are to beambular four little, one little, one of three nine and three

nine, so they're there's and they're and then the stufa were dorating semillas and

platano frit and obviously the person does the observation, oh, is that I'm

to do a moulito. It's that's a birthday my year, and so

then this he's I'm doing my little, we're continuing to

And she starts that she has the don of to be successos, to be

situations that they pass to the people and that she consider that has the opportunity

to get to say, don't go to go to go to get to get to

the accident. And if you see that there's a part very interesting. When

this situation was when this situation is she's that she's that my

brother, I'm my My brother is a trailero, and then he has tattooed to the murder in the back in the spielda, and I he, that he had sequestered, and where they'd, and all the roo. Well, the situation is that that, that's what we started to

talk about us, and it says, and in effect, a my brother, lo, lo, lo, hequestered. So, I mean, he says, result's said that my my brother, he was in his trailer, he'd go, they're going, so they're and the people that had, he's there's a woman,

that woman, that woman, he saw the tattooage of the back to my brother, and he said, and be't it,

and say, well, in another other manner, she, she, she, she was, what was going,

with her man, the question is to that the person is that that the man, she says, and we can

be able to that she has been the thing, that she has, that she, that she

can, that she can't have these type of phenomena, not? Yeah. to that point

when you at a pen to start in a other way being immersed in the phenomenon

you start to receive it like you oh my can I know you you have you

you can't you can't see this type of phenomena to future and you could

you could to be to help to the and then and then he

got to the person and you I had that Don. He was

much time and a day I was and a And we like how that I'm

like I did say a day he said I'm, I'm to have to get to and I

and I said I why me you, why me you're so I want to

tell you that that there were some things sometimes

like I said the things but not with a

time in the she says that she has has a certainia

to the image of the murder and we're like that okay for this point in this

instant for me to be the Santa death of the death of this

San the was a one a lot that with much respect

because you say oh the phenomenon of the thing to be to be

a lot of because really really really really really

if you're you're to study a or more well to know about the cult or the

creencia about the well, it's more more than we're doing that we're doing this time apart

and we're saying and we're really is that I have a certainia but me quittal the don't and my

companion no I'd say the sooner and then they're they're going to be

my altar and that's one of us we're just we're so in sec here I'm a quoteation

of the four nine there a man there was a He was in the corners and us

observable but those those that we don't, the kids are they're living the kids in a house

some buggia the kids are travisos so so it not that in that there's

yeah yeah so you see the car of a man of a little

a little a little a corner in a question and the word correct to define it

is desangelado desangelad without so brio with brillo no chiste and

And obviously, it's a attention, no? But they're phenomena that's that they're

not a final of the story. When us say, oh, is that I'm my altar,

I'm a door a middle of two quarters. A portita of the door of a matter

in trams and I had those that you imagine you in the altar of the

death, the murder of black, of black, of black, allas. I mean even

even a quadro of oh, the, how's his son, this,

malverde. Okay, yes, but obviously when you see the altar and so this roo,

you know, you're doing, you're doing, you're doing, you're saying, offrendas. Dissus, ah, okay,

is that she's like, like, to the type of things, but after that point, and when

you're into the phrenomeroomal, all those things, like, like, you're like,

you you're, like, oh, no, you're going to say, oh,

And your role, because really we don't have the context. Sure. And, of a moment, we know, we're going to reveal what

for us was something, but more than of a very, but more than our bienveny atentran us in the investigation

of the phenomenon. Dice, one of I was I was I'm appeared. It's a

question, you know, you're your don't to and I said, and I said that I want my

don't of And the mother She said That's Disposed Yeah To give And he says

Of my He's He's He's And my My friend How? You know, I mean,

You know, You said Yeah, If you I don't No, You know, You know,

You know, So, in that moment We're The person That's that I was with Me

I said, you I said, You know, I said, You know, I said, You know, we go,

we go, We said, we've got, Well, well, much Thanks, with No, but, wait a lot No,

but wait a lot Thank you. Thank you. Well, I'm sorry there the things, no,

because all of all was a little more more careful for the condition, no. But if we

came back we're not those three and we're the comments that we're no inventes he did the

love of his child because it's the only in the only in the one in the one

in the can't a change to have a change to have a chance to have

And we said, how is possible? And it was the first times that we're of the first time of things. And the context us spantable, we were

us asthmus because we could have people? Like, sure. Fidate that I

heard of that one interview that I did one and also listening different

podcasts, persons that are that they're in the world about the person

that in some majority the people who are people who some favor, for so

in the theme esoteric are people that are in an ambitto of government working for the government.

So I said, I'm what's the most loco that someone has offered and me says,

well, persons in the power that are more different and people, we're going

to call them out of the law. I don't if you more or who are you guys people

who are people who are people who they're doing things out of the law

um are the clients basically number one of these people and these

people me have to offer to their kids and one and one that's

that's out of camera me he said there there's you

do this famous cove where they're in those Pactos and you are stupando

restos but not of a person great, adult we're talking of the children, little, there's, there's,

there's a, if you want to see, if you want to be some of what Paco's espantarses, buske you the

history of the master Gordillo. Yeah, you know, you know, the person

that's over gave a context, no more, did a context close of her.

Of where she went to do the limpies the what of the

family the leon the leon what to do you want to get us I'm

sure but let's say a thing that so that that's

that that's that that's that there's in the world

of the of the phenomena of the context of the the world

of the that we we we're we're we imitate. Because there are things that

you're not to imagine. And there, and partying of this situation Paco, I'll talk to a story. Go ahead, brother. Me, me caused a conflict. And I see to say and I've to be very sincere. Fuerre of the context of the program,

out of the times that we're not in stories of fear. We have the fortune of that you, that you know, we're at the other side of the world, inclusive, us have the confidence to mark us, to scriven us a message,

to say us. I'm to talk a story. I appreciate much the contact.

I always try to be a person cordial in question to respond you the more rapid

that I'm to have time. To receive your call to call them or learn

or learn what you know that I've been made mud because because

I've never had been because not I have provided one

for certain principles of other because they Pardon, context

very, very, very fertes that, that I'm sure that the

platical those open doors, not to the non to the situations that we

say we're how is that this situation can be going to be able to putto

you, if you is one of those people that are in the brujeria

for that you create the person to have certain factors

to your favor for that this type of situations are one the fact

of you be you a person to be a person to be a person to accept

to think three, that is you're a person that never question

and four that more that more that more that you're a person that you want to

suppose the person is a a person's a person's a person is a

of this is the not to look at an explanation real to the things and start interpretatel

them in a manner equivocated and start doing what not is for me to talk

the story result to say that I don't know maybe it in the 2019

2020 when I when I have the opportunity to receive the call

telephonic of a person of this person me says oh la Rene how is you

look is that I want to consult me something you know you know you can't my story

yeah sure that's how can't you can call no you know well

you know I'm receive the phone and the first and the

first I when the person my name a voice a very calmada very silencious very very good

nice for receiving my call with a with a sort of demilorina that made the attention

but the first and the first that I'm to ask you want to ask you a little more more because

I'm not you're getting very well good. Good nights. Yeah, I'm sure.

Yeah, I'm sure. Cammia for complete. Passed to a voice tenue to a voice engrossed

more, more, more furte. I go, now see I'm perfectly, and tell me

the story and He said, he said, is that, is that, is that I don't I'm the who wants to tell the history. How? Is he? He? Yes.

He? Well, platicamela. Yeah. Well, I'll say, what I'll tell you. A bit, passamelo. Who is? Your brother, your friend? No.

It's him. But he, who? And so when I I'm trying so briefly I think I think it's

a person that's a that I'm very locochon no I'm very very open no I said never

never that never this type of details and he and he said to be the person that me

that's going to tell the story says yes is she is a side to you

no in you so into you so okay tell that me tell me.

No He wants. Why? Why? Why, you know, well, you want you to be more

more despicito? No, is that you say, I don't like to talk about

to be good? Well, what you do you do? Quentamela you?

Yeah, I'm better, I'm going to tell me. Let me tell me. Dices

that, I want to do you want to I'm what? What? You say,

it's that has some, I was a person normal and the two months for a

I know I know what I've converted, I think you know, I'm to get me

to understand to point number one to what you do you do you how you

do you want me in context because I'm I'm I'm understand

that there's there I want to understand that not you make sense that you, that you, that,

it's not, no, no, me molesta. He said, what is what you want, is that I want to

do you know to do you to help? You say, you know, and you want to do you

can't do? How? And he said, a bear, count me well, because

not you don't you don't know nothing. You're to talk you say, You say, is that I

I went to a a voyage of those spirituales and I said you were you did you

did that the ayahuasca was the question yeah and I and what what did

he said is that in my visit me I I'm he said okay

where you where you did you no well I was I went to

there in Puebla me invited to live the experience in the ayahuasca and as well as farc. And as far as so I was with with

some friends. He decided to live the experience but since I've been he's he's with me who?

Who? He? The person that is with you don't know of you says if then we put us to

talk to say it's a person that is a person that's said he he doesn't know what do not do not do any

how, like, by some way, and how you know, how you know, you know,

what I remember is that when I came to a little, a beer, me did you, and what

was that then I disconnected, this, were some hours of much uncertainty,

I'm there's a person, I think that was one of the people who went to

when I when I I'm when I think that had been a I was in my house the other day and I

dispunied to rest and when I intend to get me to doormido, and I can't, and no I can't, and no I can, and of the point I'm to hear voices in my head and then I go, I'm going, I'm going to go to the bathroom, and when I'm going to the mirror the space, no I was, it was someone else. How? You said, when I was front of the mirror, I, I saw a person different. I saw

a person that not I, said, and I'd say, and And what I said? First, me I said, that, that, that's, for not being left alone and for

having let's that's, I think he gave the chance. But you, no, you know, you know, you know, you see, that,

I'm, I'm, I'm in my life, in the dream, in the dream in the dream of the person, says, that person, that's the person,

that's, I'm, I'm going to say, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, let's do, we, we're, we, say,

we started to walk and I remember that we're coming on a long, until the the next

is that I know that I know that it was a dream, I'm a time, it was a

experience very great but at other day this person appears in the picture, and I

can't see, I don't know I want when he he's going to communicate to me

and he says, but he's but he he lives in my case,

he says he'll talk with me I'm I'm with him and he now is

part of my day day, he said, but from this then I've

to go to work. Since then I'm to frequent to my friends, and since

I'm in my apartment. And I'm because you have so you're not time.

He said, because I went to be a medical, and they're going to bipularity and me

mandated to me, and I've got much more fear of that nobody me create that what

I'm doing is a phenomenon and this and not part of the Lastimusamely

the people that experimented this type of situations like the ayahuasca ojo eh it,

I'm I'm partying without never before I've ever experimented an ayahuasca

but there a context technical that I'm the person human if you you let's

substances then you alteras you alteras no there no there no guarantee

of the where you don't know the So this person, I think, look, point number one, what was your state anymical,

what was your state physical, before that you practice is this phenomenon? Now, because it was that my people were

a disconnection, a desintoxication, and that me to be able to make to do that. I go, I go,

I'm, I go, I don't have there's a guarantee in this. Yes, and they're

when they're to do this type of things, me say, no, is that I'm going to go to be a

brucho, and the broo he said that he could help that he will be to liberate, that he

will be to liberate. And he said, I went and I said, he said,

he said, he said, his ritual, me he started some, and of me allio

to me, to me to be a s'es of perro. How said, it all

ol' excreement of perils. For all all the discreement of prel he said,

no me He says, me dismayed. When I was when I disconnected the entity that's with me, well,

he was defined as my friend he said that if I continue, the next is that I'm going to quit

the life. The amenas he said, he said, if you still you trying to get me

to your body, this, well, more me, if you you're trying to

separate us, you're to get the life. For that the point, the

really I was like, I, what I what I said, know, so, why? Because magnific it. So, you say,

well, a bit, medically, if you get, if you get a story like this, an psychologist, or something or something

a medical, if you're going to find out of a person a scientific, you're going to say, you're going to

you're going to get to, now, I don't know you want to do, but I'm to go to

the context, how I'm to do an orientation or how I can't what you can what you

can't you can't you can't you broo for he intervened

in questions spiritual and that thing he said you know you know

you do you get the life exactly and I say I don't

I'm give me chance let me let me to talk with a person

of my confidence let me say what is your situation and

conform to he me I you I I

will be to You know, I'm going to thank you. Because, the really, I don't see what to do.

I'll talk about my friend. I said, I said, I'm going to hear of a way, me let me

let me look. So, I'm going to say it's like so I want to be so, but what I'm

what I said you know? No, you know, I'm going, and I'm, and so, what you're

that you're that you're that's saying that's that you're saying that's saying, no, it's a

not a one thing, no one he says if you there is a something that in your

head he's saying that if they're going to cost a life that you

that you think that you think that you know I don't I say that I

say that he says no you don't you not you don't you so I'm

like like I'm way so you don't you don't you okay

no me met me. And are things that are you don't appear in your life, but not appear in the gratis, Paco. When we're we're going to

get into the phenomenon of the paranormal, you start to enter in a know that you're going to get to get more and more far and more

and more and when when it's a situation of this story that I'm talking, for me I don't

any, any, no context logical or no reason of the because I was in that moment

absorbing as a knowledge. Yes. If that part me gets a very much

clear. But there you go. A little time after. No. We'll

let's let's let's maybe. I'm always that I tend to a phenomenon

paranormal, always, always, I'm to some those meus. And the

are two persons. A one you know you know you know one and you

have been a person a person known of my friend the architect and my

and my and he says oh, is that in the house of my

child she appears a gawal no? I'm talking in a

context months but for you see how you have a relation

and how it's like that's like abut in questions

of the of the the the knowledge there

there there is like oh in serious you you

can you And so, like, How? If you can't, if you can't come. And what

first I do always is to talk about but just I'm a man, he said, he said,

he said, I said, I said, I said, this, me said, the other, I'm going,

we're going. So, and I have another friend that's Chaman. Okay. But no

I'm not I didn't, no, I He was the He was the He said, not you metas

in the phenomenon anterior. And for this I'm not I'm going to I'm not really,

it's a thing that's a thing because even my wife me said, is that's how is possible

that you always, you know, and now he said, I don't know, the question is that

I'm going to his house, and I go to go, go, we go, go, we go, we go, we go,

and in this instant me aborda a, he's called Charlie, and he he will be

because he he thought, that in that moment I was doing an investigation that he interested about and me

he said I'm going with him and he he was going to we're going to we're going to we're going

to go to see what we're saying that's known the question is that we're getting to his

house this he's he's he went to the so he's up there they

went over there we're we're we're we're but the person

us He said, look, what is that there is that my little bit

a little bit of a little a lot in cunclay's my he's my son

and then he's he's quite here the house. My son was very bad.

And then I'm talking a gross mode but what he saw, but what he

then we're to see the house, the house has his protections lamin, nothing, no,

no, no, so it and behind of that there was there

They've got to look at a kind of clackwache. And we're so like, whey, what you've got to be a clackache. In that instant, Paco, in that instant

we're sitting to the because this chick woman, this signora, us want to a coffee. And my friend the architecto

says, I see. No? And he's sit and they do their coffee. And he par to my

Charlie, the other person who goes to me, and he says, in voice Alta, they'd they'd

count. If we had been topated with a while at this

altars to another of us he had had happened

something. And is that when I was my

phone and my wife I and I go well

and I hear a voice super alarmed Cesar

I need to come a house urge that

come the per the per is the per

is what's what's what's what's what's. What's what's what's. He said, is that he's a manned a animal. He says, but is a, is a sapo. He says, is a poe. He's a so into my house. He said, he's, I'm in the door where the little, says. And the perr's, he's been

dying. For that, then, in that moment, was an friend in my house. In my house. And the the next thing is, is that I think, I'm, I think, I'm going to, this, that my perra, I think he's a bit of a

and he's a little and he's a little he's a manned he's a man at the

last 11 of the night, Paco. Where you get us when that when that

situation when that when this situation he says, you know, it's the telephone of the veterinaria

and I say you know what the thing is that I think my per perry he's mored

a chapo no see what's what's what's well here to do

a cotation the senior us describe the animal that view he said

it was a kind of guacolote in cunclillas and the eyes of the animal were in the corner

amarious and not they were at the top of the was there was a black,

I'm I'm kept with that information I'm and I'm here's the direction

of the veterinaria tell you for favor to Jorge that give to the

perra I go to the car car the carro the motor and me

go to for Yeah, for the person is moving and it's in the

way, he says Cesar Cesar I think no is a sapo, it's a bivora.

He said, she's too enroskata in the back of the car is enroskate or no

pared like a bivore you know you know you know you know you know

I'll say to tell you I'm I'm saying to say Cesar, if it's a cat

says it's an animal that has a species like like if were some some of scams

in the spas it's all black and has the eyes yellow and the

eyes when she when she me reveled that information I said what you say

you're all black with the eyes and it and it was the

description yeah yeah so of what the she had said

in the car and automatically me to get to the your head

not you metas and obviously me it's I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm always I'm I'm talk about and now

my architect and you know let's let's let's let's see that

and I know various aspects and my my spouse me says when

when when he came when I'm he said you let him matal and my

prime me said oh no poor He said a saposidio. He said, I'm sure that the sapo

he did the world and he started to run to the door. He was to where's the door.

He was there he opened. He went to the door and he went to back to the carl.

And I'm getting to he said, oh yeah, but how? He said, the sapo he went

to comeinand but... Sure. Well, okay. We got to the veterinarian salvan the

per they're done their carbon activated Well, the perra no he passed absolutely nothing

after this. No, we're not the night a morning next to be Daniel to my house,

I'm going to this. Why don't me? I'm sorry. Me, I'm like, the fact,

my husband obviously, me started to reaganer. No, is that you expone to the

little for start in this type of things, look, but that's where you start to get the

reality or the reality or the reality of the truth. Yes, yeah, and in the

history when this person me says to do you don't you don't you metas. And after having experimented to

that's, you know, you know, says, you know, you know, you know, says,

to the place, there was, there, a lot of something, that by the line

energeticic, if some day have an opportunity, do you do you, how

occur in these lines, and because they can manifest to certain aspects,

this, energetic of this indolene. And then then says, you, you,

you, apprais astrath of the entity, he said, Ojo, he said, he attacked. But at the

same time he, he knows that he also, you know, and that's also, and that's where is that.

He says, you know, he's not. No, it's a thing brutal, me said, because if the

person that had been been sat down on that all the time, that was my my

That's a tragedy. So it was a tragedy. Then you say, and all for what? For the study of the phenomenon paranormal, you're saying, no, wait, what you're saying? The phenomenon anterior me said, no you metas,

okay. And I'm going to that there are things that not because are because they're because they're part of the brugheria, all this row.

No, no, Paco, but there are things that, there are lines that we don't crosser. Definitimately. That is a reality.

That is a reality. and that is something that's a lot of people, René, that pass the line and and they're in things very strong for their life. Persons that are repienten and they're looking

help. Desafortunately in that way, parted of this life, without even have encountered

that help. And a reality, I think, and you know I'm in some moment, I was, I was also,

I'm also, I'm also another person that is creator of content of terror, is that one

is the law that our families were to satanize all this I mean so one of my so one once that I

experimented something that has something to with the phenomenon but not I'm so

yeah I'm you know that's that you're talking I decided to take the studio

of my house so much a lot of a lot oh yeah it's so it's

so but when you live in car property and they're

Tocan to those Tos I don't it's I'm sure I think I think

Paca the most difficult for you know in the program for those

we have in the thing we have to have to have there's there's

there's that are things that just just mal-informed to you

as you as an or as an person but those we're

we're we're doing to do you say a thing I've said a

process the process, it's the first you have to do you do you're in

this type of phenomena is to come with your because of the because that's in what you're involved,

obviously you don't know you can't combat it. Because apart of the disconocity is something that

is something like this this mess, no I'm going to make you, I'm going to do you know, in this phenomenon

in this phenomenon you know, in this phenomenon when you start in the questions energy, you know, that there's

many things that you have to And I think that this would be opportune. Really

there are many stories of the which we could be we're in a

context is very amplio the apego was an an objective that when

I'm in the phenomenon in the investigation of the phenomena we

we're we're to to start to to try

because because if you you have something of where

they can they're you're going to destroy because because contexts like contexts like

the way the bad the devil the demonio the divinidad and all this rio for every

person are different interpretation but if there's a thing real the person human is

energy and that energy vibra alto or vivor back there elements that

are more high and there circumstances or situations that us make vibrar back. In my case,

the use obsidianas, aromas or essences, the use maraquitas, the time amuletos, the work

and to learn to use the spejors, the learning to use all this type of things,

me has valid for to involve in a lot of things really the people

think that you can you can get to it's more, there are many

there They say, is that I mean, they're doing brujeria, no? And I, let's, let's ask you the question, well, what do you understand for brugheria, no? Well, brugia is because I don't see.

A bit, okay, what is what is what is, no? So, it's that I'm bad in peor, my relation, and all this, I'll say, well, first that, understand us one thing. The person is,

is, this, is, is, proof, and error. And what he does is that after the error, learn to learn, to help us, to solve, and encaminer.

That's what really has a valuable to a person because because obviously

not they're in a book in a experience of life. You do you

do you do all the so it's not not but get a

moment in that they're to interpret the bad decisions as acts of

envidia that if it exists and the envidia is something

but that's one and the other is being victim

of the and this situation of the progeria, atient to

a person that has the capacities necessary to manipulate certain aspects of energetic and provoke by

means of certain abilities damage in a person. That is real. Yes, but obviously if

you learn to manage your appellation, apart of that you have the mind-abirted and you

start amulet the lociences, you start and to know, to know, techniques to desacety

of the pego, desacerte of all these situations, you're going to be a to develop a way more more, more efficient. And why do you talk to all this? Because what I'm going to tell a continuation, it has to be with

not only the aspect of the brugheria, not with the aspect of the murder, that I'll say one thing, there, I've done the opportunity to interview an person that has a cult, more than you, more than, this, an altar, and the cult of the

recital. Your recinto. Your recinto. this is simple you decide in what deposites the faith the person

human for necessity it needs of a spiritual you need in something and what

what you can do you can do you do you because at final of you know you

know you is that the think you is the kind of this type of phenomena

now now now now before so in some

moment I never me imagine living what we we've we've been

the year it's a vigilia omnipanormal in a place called the mirador

servante silo sada a an mirador of the city of Kordoba that's

a much meters of where there a little a cabin and what was a

back of us were we're we're we're we're we're we're

thirty six persons in this moment we're and all in

this So, well, so here, point of liso. It has to been with the question this

of the amuletos, the locients, the locients, and how we we're doing the context of the brugheria and over

all how is the process that at a level energetic, we can we can't make of

the thinking, and I know, because the people the people and it

like the person, it's only the person human expressing in their

more more incredible. Okay. Well, for this, you have a line,

a, you have a one, a, one, a, one, a,

one, a one, all this all of the that in the stories

we're and they was that the yorona, the yorona, the yorona, the yorona, the yorona,

yeah, and we said, oh, well, that's, oh, well, that's very much,

but the point, it appeared, the yorona vestida of black, the yorona bestida of

black, the yorona vestida, the roP topas, this, desgarredas, the Yorona of Cable Largo, the Yorona with Cuencoes with Cuencoes of Fuego, with Ongoes Profunders, the

that can't, the carmina, the that's upraiser, the point, Rios. So, then you say, pere me, what are these people to the people

call the Yorona? That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of that's a classic. And are part of, let's the mythos and

the mythos and legends urbanes that have created, that's been have been developed in all the places where they're in the

yorona. The yorona I'm always always I've said it's the spectro phantasm

more famous and more known to all the South of the Republic Mexican and the

Civai the car of the Cable the the matlasiua the that she

gets to the guys the people the way to get to the people let's

waitam let me let's continue to submit to the investigation Paco

well result is that all the yoronas that are

people who were killed in a manner tragic that were in a situation

very particular that not transcended and that in that they were clas to put on

the example from here this is going to get to tell you to be to talk

it's that when we start when we start when we're the phenomenon and that

the people start is that I know I hear the I'm a yorona is a

It's a can't. In reality, it's a can't, there's a can't, there's a lot. There's people that, as you know, the parodolias, the parodontas, not recall it to the number. There's people that have said, no, it's that I'm, my kids! And then there's people who

says, no, it's that is that, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. But there are people that I've heard of, I've seen, I've seen, my kids. Well, it's true that what to us permit to do this is that you, for example,

you know, you get scientifically to be able to explain, to the architect, you put the bills the train, pass the train. there's the friction of the yantta contra the metal

when it when it's what you think that's it's generated in the long of the two aces

fricioninginging. Campos what? Electromagnetical. What what is we know if we have

energy and we chocamos with that we can't what we can do you can't do you know and a little

and a lot and so it's aft of the light of the perimeter that says I've got to see a

Yorona. Yes, but it's your Cerebr. Sure. Now, now, now, that's

a thing. Where more can't do these these phenomena, carreteras, rios. Here,

here where you're in the city is the river. What is the river? A part of that purification

the energy, the river has a ability. Yeah. For the water. The water,

the water is essential. Acunnedse that there are four elements that are the

essentiales for that the person human. The human needs to carbon,

hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogyno. All those, but, principally, the water. The water is,

it's, but that's a way of to explain to scientifically. Yes. Okay. Well,

then, so it's that a person, it was in a car, in a car, a can't,

a rio, a houged the car, the little, the person with the person with the but no

salva the mother, and the mother he gets penando, and a and a back,

and in that grabation, and in that the yanto, but the person is heard how he starts to clamar for his son. So,

he begins to say the name of his okay. So then you say, okay. So, so, then not are the

jorones. Sure. Socese locales that have encountered the form of reflect or in this

case, of manifestars, and that the people have become in legendas urbanes. When

we're we We also, we're doing this investigation, we do the Vigilia for Omni Paranormal with the Arki. And with Daniel, the chaman. So, Daniel,

he'll abhorda to a fugata and he begins to regar certain polvo, and he starts a atmosphere. Okay.

We're going a scenario and it's where we want to comepruing that the think that the concept

collective at level energetic provoked things very phenomenal. Yeah, imagine to 36 people to start to

start to start to nine of the night, until the 5 of the morning in a manner interrupied Wow

Imagineate you how was that the thinking of those 30 and tantas people in that moment what we

generate a level energetic that at the three 30 of the morning 30 and

there's except the architect because he's pared by leon at

the same time and in the manner collective we're the brinko

of the soil because we we hear the gritty

of the yorona or so not I'm you know not we're two, we're more

of 30 people listening the lament and a and a tension was a

friend and I'm and all so I like whey yeah yeah yeah

and when you get to the way what there is a way what there is a

and say in the spirit box and preuntel what you can

you can you can you know exactly they've got ecstasiedissimo because when you

you're saying is that one is that one of the thing is that you say chingal it's okay but if you

you know we're saying we're we're provocamos because because we unification we're and

we're not we're not we're we're even a camp electromagnetic where something something

something that was on dambulant so it was connecto and boom revented and it

It's like, it's like It's like a signal That's a satellite And there's Exactly And then Two hours After 5 and 4th of the

morning It was a day Juvios It's a Gondh And it's And we We're gonna

Now, Avistamient See, Look, Look, Look, Look, Look,

And then I You know Pucko, that the 30 persons Or 30 Tantant's that we

We're We're testigos of something that you, then, then, what on? Now, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, misas of sanation. Yeah. Imagineate, 200 people with a thought positive, vibranos super-alto, because we're not understanding, and a person with a necessity of sanation and all those those pensions, saying, Sana, Sana.

No, and even, and it's more important, because one thing is, to tell it, but other is that. Concentrater. The oration connect a super caon. But in reality what you're doing is vibrar

your energy is super alto and that person encounter the sanation. And that is a form technical to

explain to the miracle. The famous miracles. But let me count how we can make that

and it's a question of a thought of that we're to understand that I'm sure when it's

famous when the people started to replicate by the how they were these those

the simulacros and the chistosos minutes after that all the world is representing the simulacro there is the

cism it's impressive I said okay this is a thinking it's a it's a a hysteria

collective is an hysteria we can get to get to give to the positive and the

negative now now how it's that we think we

that this that this that we can we can explain scientific if

you want we do we Brugheria, clear that they can

do you can't do. Yeah, but, oh, there are regals. And those

regals for that many people can evolve in those aspects, for that I do you do

a person, first I have to suggestionar after to suggestioning to get ariard

spiritual and attack her and attack her and I have to get in those four pillars.

Recording that the human is based in four pillars. The love, the

family, the money, and what more? Well, why in the

love, because the human has a need a affective. Because the family, because it's

your cuna, is your sustent. Because the money, because in the society in that we've

that we've that is essential, no, for some other aspects. But more a lot of

that, imagine that you're that you are looking in these moments you are

to find to be, well, to what I'm to what I'm to I don't know the

love of a family or no I don't know I'm the more of a marriage the

love I'm money no I'm money and I certain

aspects but all that all this and it's and it and it

for what I was the about the famous Apego but more

beyond when we're when we we're we try to try

to understand about the virginia and all the other of the way, we're doing this

we're doing this we're doing what you what you what you want to what you're you're going to

you know and Daniel for example it's very very simple says those people say that

say I'm appeared in the question pardon for the expression who

chingas you think you for that a entity with the endergature

of the diablo that we we're that we're that's that's

that special you're Pax, if you'd like the devil? No, wait a minute. There's beencoulding into many steps. Then we're going to,

so we're going to when we're going to we need to do that if I want to do you want to have to have a reason I have to a person I'm going to

to asker to do with a way spiritual that you make the now. Now, how so you know, an entity that's,

oh, you know is a malo, for favor, this, Siego, sordo, no? Ah, so, how no, this, human? Wait, me, tautit,

or I go, and I'll do the damage. No, it's so. There are rules. The people that are

in the questions spirituals, simply and simply simply, they have to give a change.

Now, with who you're doing the trato? Yeah. No? I mean, to be

a person that decides this is a person that is a person that is a person Yeah, principally that.

There will be a price to pay but one one thing is this context that burd so, so not

profoundized that we make a the deriva to accept that is real or that no,

and other thing to understand that we're we can we can we can get in

a back astral with we're to be permissible to a possession,

a a a Ataques. A lot of things. And so, and so it comes, for example, in persons that have attempted to suicidate,

those who are involved in the alcohol or in the drugs. Because they're in that plan astralbago. But separate the questions

that tende with the drugheria. Well, so it's so caluroo the theme that we can

abhorred from different concepts, of different forms, that is so passionant and a

You know, even chistos. Here I part with the, with the, well, I've got two

stories for platicales. With a story that I'm going to get to before the final.

Okay. This has to be with something that we've made to us to

us very much. Has I heard of about the incoos and the subccus.

Yes, well, for the people that not are familiarized are, let us

spectros that by the seducion mental adquired certain qualities

to have a a sort of relation intimate with an intimate with a person there are who have been to confess

I've had a relation with an incubo of many years and in the actuality I don't have to have relations with

a human because no me satis and you just okay it's a role mental no, it's

so it's so it's you really you do you do this really you do it's a kind of

it's too it's not it's not something in what you is interested but

but imagine that this history me a man and I

sure that the person that's the person that was the I'm going to tell the story

to talk the story the story of the the man of an man of the of an

man so you so you say you uh okay okay what I

do you do you say is that is that the is that the man he doesn't

what he says because in the nights when when I when I

when I'm when ostiga a inco and we're ah it's a suco

no no no no a inco and I say let's

see how so is that let say to let let's

the women is a is a is a a suco and the and the

and the and the and the and the and the and then then it's

that me the that me that's a me that's a how

Like, yes, you say, I'm in the nights I'm attacked by a secubo and says in the mornings, I have rastros and,

and we're like, to say, to, a bit, we're saying, to say, say, yes,

and then I'm, I know what's what I'm, I'm, what I'm, I don't, I'm, I'm,

I'm, to, what, what I'm, I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm,

and so, so, Like, and in the mornings, me dole. And then, says, is that, no, I don't say, I said, no, p, peltie, not you know, I said, pelt me, no, I said. Yeah.

And so, and then you, this, what, what, this is, no, is that, is that the kid of a guy, he says, he's going to that's going to say, and I don't what I'm a friend, because, yeah, poor-sito. And we're like,

of the, oh, carie, so, so, so, and so, says, so, he, says, the sucu, he, he agred, sexuallyly, he was he viola and in the morning as he

is all concerned because he says I don't want to do I'm going to like I'm to say to what I'm to say to say I'm I'm revisem

because I think me me violas in the madrugas then you and well this story appears before

before the story final I'll tell you the reason because there phenomena and stories that are completely

locochonsisim no man are they're they're so they're in serious is in serious. If it's, it's in serious.

If it's in going to the story, I'm going to talk to them do you know, we'll be more a little.

This passed in Tesonapa. It's a place, this, of Veracrucianate, Tesonapa and Kosolapa

is a place that a car is a place to Sonapa, Veracruz to Kosolapa, Oaxaca. Yeah,

a call this is what what I'm going to talk in Desonapa. And that's It was a few years. Okay.

There we started the studio about the famous duendes, Chanekes, this trolls and, and well,

every, every sector there's like, that kind of of, of elementals. The person that we talked about,

we say, look, here in the parliament, there was a person working. Resulted

to be that person has a family that's per die doing faena. in the camp in the mountain

So that person Imagineate that person in the mountain This, they were looking And so it was a week And nothing

These people That's people That's people They're talking And they say Oh, hey, Alcalde Echern us the

Man for to look to my family And how not And they're They're in a Brigade And they're

They're They're They're They're puted And the Family Perdi and

they're of an arm. A person yeah of an person yeah they're and they

say, Oye, what on? No, it's that, I said, I'm

sequestrared those chameques me met a covevevee me amarrarren in a silla,

I'm they're they're and they're wow. After of a time,

they'd they're just and just they're just and just they're those chanekes and

they're those describe those describe very but But the person that I tell the story I tell

a grossom of that situation and I'd like to interview him yeah, I said, how? He says,

yes, at a little time of that they're for the impression or for a situation in

particular, fall yes that person but you get that's like, wait, wait me,

how do you? It's is that we know, it's just that one he's got that they've

been sequestered literally, the words are the words are the words are they're they're

they're they're they're They'd have to come. And at the summer, pund, the nada

they were they're in an arbor. Sistup, I'm how? Impresionante, Erwando. Incredible.

Incredible. This type of phenomena are are very locochones, very of, to, but if it's

incredible the many stories that we have talked there's a very good that more that's a

little bit but I'm visualized it so. Imagineate, this was in Songolica in the

zone Serrana. A little, a child of an adinerado that had been inbiuded to his 13, more or years,

of 11 to 13 years, the papah contrainuxias with a woman. That woman is a woman, this woman, she doesn't know

what to and assassina to the wife, to the actual husband of the father, and he

goes to perverse to the Cerro and in the Cerro in a Cueba, a Catrine. He said, Ben, the cobiha

let me to the covea and the Cueba and he was a yeah, he was in the never they

found out of that they can't be situations that has been with the aspect of the brugheria

and this little she the mannaurisava and in Orisava they said, you're you're going to

you're going in that in that in that in a revolutionary a person and she

she's converted in the say, the chaman, the brawana, the brawana, the woman of the of the person. Imagine it.

I'm a couple. I'm going to my abuela. I think that was a brawra or were an aguala, because my abelts of

and a lot of things that well. Tremendro, carna. Yeah, yeah, are things

very loachshundas, Paco, but, well, kremel, what, that I'd want me the times,

talking to the stories, there'll be opportunity, but but, but in the phenomenon paranormal,

gentlemen, and gentlemen, not all what it It is. Recurred, these only are opinions based on questions that we've learned. That the human

prefer to accept, that's a situation that we're in a situation that we're that you're looking, questiones to the dogma and cimented

you a cosmovision propia, based on a personmient abert and remember that nobody is duke of the reality.

And based in all this, apply you in your person, the fact of that if you is a person

that is a person who is gestionarse, and also that other of the vices of human is suponer, but more than all of this what I'm saying, well, simply have to enjoy of the life as because all this that right I'm relationing is part of a day-a-day and the

why have created many myths and legends urban around of contexts that if can't explain and that no have nothing to be and that I'd like you'd like you'd that other side, have a concept more open about about

the brugheria that not all is a other other

other thing about about the things about and that

they are what they're not not some phenomena more

more more more logics and a person who

did that it's not that a most not

not transmute this a person that was that

was that was obviously no took opportunity to

des of those those things are things we

can we can explain But more than that, and if you like and want, in some moment, tell me your story, I'll say that

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and that they have to be with this life extraterrest and the

role and the world that and we know and we know

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let's talk other other questions for this invitation and

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someone that's someone that would be a trajectory and so a great quantity

of anecdotas that you have talked over of the years is impressive

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where we we we're we we're there there there

there there that we've been us talking. It's impressive friend. Thank you.

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