EXTRA ANORMAL - 123 | Mis experiencias más fuertes como VIGILANTE Y LA SANTA MU3RT3 | @EntrelasVocesdeloDesconocido

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

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What is what happens with a person when when hega for a first or a person

that's put to learn to learn books for first first

not is that the book not is that

the guise is that the person not not

not not is that is accepting in that

moment and and just in the room ha ha So it's generated a figure

spectral like if it was the murder like that but with the arms abertos so

and when he goes to the kitchen me describe that he he was a spectro that was

a shadow a camera very eyes and and dents very

great like like like they were like the smile

the the Hello Hello, to be a podcast extra an normal. My name is Paco Arias and I'm sorry, and I'm very happy to be now to be here

with all of you today. Today I'm very content because me accompany a good good friend. Today is with me Nazareth Martinez.

How are you? Very well, Paco. Much thanks for the invitation. Thank you. Thank you for us to start

for the people that not you know, I mean it's creator of content in the same general.

Recurran us your social, what is what is what you do in your channel and well

and, so about how you know, well, my name is Nazareth Martinez.

I'm of Michoacan I have three canals in reality is relatos of terror between the voices

of the disconocid chronicles of terror between the voices of the disconocid

and relato of terror at caer the night in these practically we're about stories of

terror about things very interesting but in the canal of cronics is where we're

there's more interesting the things reales those that are based in the reals.

Okay. You thank you really that's a lot to have a a colleague also in the same gender.

I'm a really to talk to talk to people because I imagine that like me to get to

get to get to get to get messages of people who want to their experience. Sure.

Muchissimus. And, well, independently, then, of what we do you do you

do you do you think you're in the phenomenon? Completely. Yes. Do you?

You? Have some any experience that has changed a to you? Well, look,

from much temporary age, we're going to many things paranormal or we were very involved about me, of my, of

my, of my brothers, in questions over-naturales or questions esotericas, for that you know,

my mom, all her life, she did get to the brujeria. Okay. Until

the end of his days, she, she has she has almost eight, nine years of

fallecida. But she practiced that I have a memory. So, So, as we're seeing

all the things that she did, and the practices of all these these jobs that he realized, practically,

we've seen many things that were very very important. You're, you're, you're, were testigues

of many times, of many of them, some of them, some of them, not so, but even

that if a person that not is accustomed to see, and they sustan. Of course

that's in some moment you've seen something that you have impacted a lot of

a lot of the experiences that at my point of my point of this is of the

most interesting that I live at her she she she I'll

talk about we we've we've in a house a that was

practically like a house in this there there there

a little a little a other and at we

racita. And in this house, my mom practically did his consultorio, as she made him to mention it. And in this, he had his altars with the Santa Muirte. There depositable all his work. And, well, there

practically received to all the people to be attended. Between these persons that attended, I remember that one of a family complete. They've got Abelos, the kids

of these people and also the third generation, the nietos. These people were of

a population of a community that's called the Sabino. This community is character because

are producers of products lacteos okay of very good quality for sure and this

family was having many problems in question of that they were to lose

the cheese, or that the leech was cuted and they were productions very great.

Peridates very very so many. Yeah, not you could say that millionaries

because not were a business like like a corporation very because

they were because they're businesses but if they had great peridas

so. So, these people also started to have started to have done

to have Like, like those asusts and movian and they were

and aparted and they started to get to get to get some of

those those people those people so so my mother the first

was was invite to to get to to to realize

some things and and after she said she said

she was a process In this process Like the Semana Septima More or less Yeah no

assistio the person Major That was the Hefe of Family practically So So What I said

The family Was that Yeah no He could He was He could He was He had

Had been A diagnosis of Morty Yeah He was He was He was He said

My mother said that was part part of what had to happen, that no could let him pass. And when succeeded this, I said, now, we're going to act.

And in this occasion you know, I could go to the sir, and my mom took to go to the house. In those times, I was a little moment, so always a tomadito of his man, we get him to

get to the house of this sir and was in a camera of hospital in the room. When

we got to the family was around and my mom says to start to get them

they're in what is down of your car or so nobody suspected

nothing and they got and they they're they're and they got on a bottle with

a vase with a water had all various things not see

very scandalous what was the work but if was he was a strange all they

were saying who said who said and how so he was there after that after that

he he was me my mother that they had to the part

of her carl of her garden and in the part to after

back there there was a particular there was a gardener

there was a palmer in specific there in that moment he's

a one person of this family and he he says that that palmer

of this place when it's a a bottle a a

very great of these like containers of so very

very very very and there there there there

there was a a a baby a a gai a a galo

a Photographies, there was many things. And my mom said that he had to

open it. When it had a horrible a putrefaction and when he got all the

things in this work there was there was instructions clear to give

to give to death to the Lord. Yeah when he was

he he could discover it was he put all rest of the

family and he said that this work was only the connection

to the true work. All are connections only. And that in some days

they were to assist to the pantheon for to desentterrar the very work. The

most great, exactly. Wow. Let me say, that there didn't know

that I never knew to make to enter to cemeterios. Yes. And apart this community

was very they're from where we're from where we're from the other we're and the

end of the end of she was before before I'm like he was like the last

after eight years precisely that she she was like a half before

before I was that I asked what I said I said mother you

you know you you know you did you I said me said when

when you went to the Panteon took to go to all

the family in effect, desenterrary this work. And when

it they're there there's the question and we know we know we

know we had a person who who was and resulta that the only

that was to that that's a desentierro was one of his children

and the husband of this man what what they were desacers

of the for they're exactly yeah for to do some possessions

casas ganado and then practically they're they they're they're they're fine

oh yeah oh yeah yeah and I'm and I'm and I'm the people the people

that's well we've we've introduced to a bruchos yeah and so

they come those premises not so so so connect to all with what they

they're they're they're you can't you can't you're to get to get to

do you, and the people think, ah, well, a enemy well, this,

no, a can I'm with that he's got in a problem, if they're that they're in the

same house. The common is, the common denominator, almost in all the people, is the

family. The family. Desgraciously, it's always the family. It's impressive the

quantity of maldard that that a sometimes can be in some people, but I mean

too, but I also I also I like to be the other also one of the

brus that we interview us when you invocas when you invokas when you invokas

you know that's energy final of let's let's make the energy we don't do you

transform so the energy is the energy is a person but if there they're they're in

the famous rebote I think that's when the people receive the same

maldition that they're so so much careful because not just it's just

it's I don't I'm a man I'm quite and it's there's

there's there's there's there's there's because how you want you

to come with her length and that's that's or we don't

go to get different the intention that's how so it that's

impressive in the really really important I'm that but it's impressive

these anecdotas because we know that still occurring this this same

phenomenon I have a doubt there are there people who regularly when

when they're in this case family direct mother abelos that

do you do you don't you is just to what I go fagate

that my mother many many many times not no I was

mentioned about a don but I'm I'm I'm let

explain how I me many years to the energies that my

mother was expuiced practically we're we're to a level

of some capation of energy in many words like like she said

what is what is what is what is what is a person or a person or a

person that's put to learn to learn books of book

for first no is that the book not is that the

wica is that the person not is at the level of energies

that is accepting in that moment so I know so I'm so

we're in that we're in that in this channel it could say

we're we're we're we're for to learn certain activities

like in questions of esoterism brugery in many situations

that sincerely I don't me met I like my mother.

Sin however, while being a little close of some things,

I've had been some consequences like for example to me

the images of the kind of you know I provoke a certain

nostalgia because my life I was my life because she

had his altars there and there I realized

his work those recintos. So, well, I have kind of

the image. Sure. As a time, me took to go to visit to Guadalajara.

I don't images of the Santa Morty, the few images that we had

we were really were given after my mother fellesio. Yeah. I remember

that I was in the market of San Juan of God. I go to eat a torta

hogada and I'm I was coming for there in the first piece that's grandisim

that's where they're there's the questions of the imagines the naturalist and all of these things

were in this piece that day me did know I came to come to this

place and I see a Santa Morte hermosa a me I'm

so much because I'm amant of the motocletes choper okay

and I see a Santa Morty over a chopper, precisely. So, I'm fascinated. I said,

I'm sure. The fact I the money minimum. I don't know if I'm going to get to get a

place where was this, this, this Santa Morte and I asked a person,

excuse me and so how it costs? I said, well, it costs so it but,

but me he said like, like, like, like, like, no,

I'm saying, okay. And he I say, well, I receive you I'm receiving so, you know, this quantity? Me, he's, carnal,

you know, you can't you know, you can't have a santa death? And he said, but why? Aha. Me said, no I know,

but you don't know, but you don't know, I'll tell you the pay. It's more, that I'm that I'm

there's a person who's over there, and me he prested the rest of the money to buy them. Ah.

Me says, look, carnal, wait, better buy it then I go

no no no don't know damn it then then I'm so I'm I'm I'm gonna

preparemela to have I'm gonna do you know I'm and I'm still insisting in that

no that I did and only me he said that I'm I'm

in those times I was I'm never mentioned to you I'm

I'm I'm so I'm okay and in those times I'm

was working in the cross of my local In those times, I had arrived in an

accord with the president local of my delegation. There were some quarters desocuped in this delegation and me rented

one of these. So, practically I was living to a costado. There I took my Santa

Morte during four months approximately. The only offerings that I had were monedas

and I never realized jobs or nothing like my mother. In one occasion that I prepared for,

is for to do my guard as a paramedico, me went to the area of the

suborros and just at the front of this delegation was a friend a friend,

a manned a and he says, oh, is, is it's out of

the part of the right of the cross? And I said, the only

the only place is in my in my evitation, and I'm, I'm, I'm

going to and yeah, in effect, I'm there's there's there

the room. A me what I were were my instruments, that had had much

money and I had much money, and I did totally obscure,

muchissimo umo, but maybe to you have passed that you know very well

your places, even the light apgated and to be it

me passed and I I saw all what I could but then I passed to try to try to try to affordunately

if I did do I took one as my my and I began to pay

all a place where was the repisa where had the

altar to the Santa Morte this yeah not and

only only they were flamas very very very

and just to a other another repisa with a lot of juggettes legos

of bombers of paramedics and all this and they were in some of these were getting

and they were on sending the cell so then so then a mode of reaction me

those I did with the and when they were to be to pay now

now so when I was had done I've got to me had

kept in the hand and me provoked a second and third grade.

Wow. It was so much the desperation that I had a little

a new in this bed and me it and they were to cut with some

some little times because we didn't we have much

really when we when we when we went to when we went to it was

a problem insuppable and insupportable, and the doctors, they said that me going to give a man in form of

a gancho, of how it had been of the lastimated. Unfortunately, there was a medical that me knew,

me supposed to do a treatment, and all over the and all you all of this things, we're going to recover what

we could be to the room. When I did get that the image of the

Santa Morty in effect well yeah not about wow imagine

you know I'm going to pass the photographia for you see that how you know the

repis in the that was a lot of money and there was the

Santa Morte yeah imagine how was the temperature that

made that did that some some found totally to

me to me it made it's something I did

be a temperature clear altissima like for that they could

funder I don't know I've had had done of other other

other other in this occasion me was my brother

German and me said what he was he went and

when when put the attention the the the

the walls not were to say there but there my

brother me gave an observation and me said you've seen what is the

on the wall I'm you know what you're to back

back back to the to the right to where I

had my altar and and just in the the

um ha ha he was a figure a spectral

like like was like the and wow but

with the arms abirtos so so so even at the

feel it's a minute it's a tremendous manifestation that's me

so it's me so it's me so it's when I remember the

the words of this person that me that me that me

that you don't you don't do you don't much you know

so you not you don't you're not you put to investigate a

little and some people me made some some

observations And me said that possibly I'm being I'm

not in the energies that my mother no not was

not not I'm so the way to I want to I

want to so that that that that that that

that but but sincerely but not it's something

I'm and I'm impression one how is the person

that you do it, it's he's he's he know,

it's so with the one of the question is to

where was the image no the no the

image disappeared and and only only gave the

record of the money of you do you

do do you do that and that I'm my

profile of Facebook and and the only that

was my man was of that only I've only I'm only I'm only

I'm in my chemad and the entire yeah well we're going to start passing the

image of the altar for the people I mean you know I'm sure of the

yeah of the but I'm because I'm because they're very perturbator yeah thanks

thank you tremendous tremendous experience and I and I remember of actually

here a person that too a person that's a family that's a family

that's exactly exactly the but there was more gacho because

that was in the house of your tia to the to the to the archangel

I mean it's like it's like it's great and also he was venerable or he

was he was like the archangel and the one of the first so it was

it it was so but there there so there there

was there there was a Exactly Exactly So my image was like that my image

was like And so much And here the image of the spectro It was made In total the With the tisne With the humo

It's completely With the barroses Abirtos Abirtos And I How would be Encantable Mostrarsel

Oh Tremendor really But, I mean, the best of all this is that you can't tell the anecdote. Yes,

because I was very preoccupied for how I was to have my man, but unfortunately, then it was not passed

of that. Another thing that could tell you about this manho of energies. I know

that this story is going to get used much because you have evidence in video.

Wow. Viento Vientes, herman, those me can't. In this occasion,

fiftate, all all came to this delegation of Cruz Roja.

I was I was in the guardia and in what I'm doing videos

of extra normal what to all we all of videos of the videos of phantasmas and all

these things in this occasion my compad Marko Flavio

that I'm he said I'm I'm doing videos of the

Ujah precisely and if we've we go no I I'm a the whiffa, sincerely no.

It's of the only things that my mother me prohibit. And there you go to the explanation. Me says, no, it's because it's not because it's a mal a image, no, the table. The table. As well, but the people

as seeing it as the object, all of the energy, she gets in the object and this does that happen things bad. Yeah. Not is precisely because it's because it's demoniac or things for the thing. So,

So, so, even I never me neged. Siening that I have also in my house but never I've used.

They're curated? Well, practically yes. No, no, they're no

have any function, or not. Even they're in my videos. Okay. After this,

but I said, no, no, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't,

I'm not, I'm working in a school as a vellator, as a I went to the change

of guardia and in the change of guard and in the change of the door and I'm

my my a mochila and the other other other I remember with what

was I'm going I'm I'm in the doors and I see that the

chairs were moving being that I was seeing that I in the

cabin of this of the vigilance so so then

so Well, Tranquil, no Pasa nothing. After this, while being sitting

I was looking the television and I started to hear that me are saying, like,

Nazare, shh. So, things like like, so, let's be, calmate,

no doesn't, then after to this they're going to move the things

and I in the place. And, I'm I'm a sussed, I'm a lot of

and I I'm a lot of after the two porthons there's a carretera in that

moment he called my comrade and he said, oh yeah they're passing a

lot of things in that in that there's a kind of a type of intervention

in the call is that that's that's that's it's interference

interferences but between the interferences but you're going to you're going to

or I'm here so things words, words, words, even even even to

grosseries. So, then I don't you're going, but he no, no,

no me I'm not you're only, only the only I only was I'm talking

you. So, so I'm I'm going to let's call, I'm now I'm

I'm and I'm saying, hey, you're not you're you're doing, I'm,

I'm yeah, he's I was I'm saying this and this and then

he he started and he you're going to get to do you

don't but not he he was evident that they not

they're so total that I have to because my labor

was to see they still still listening but

now in those in the in the crystals and and

then I had to realize I my roundin for the

school at the roundin the evident you to

I'm, I'm sure that she sentia like me, like me like they're like, something. And I'm started to venting

things, like, and they're to start on the windows and I'm, and I of the nerves

I started to talk, I'm going, I started all what my mom in this video. No,

my mom had his altars to the Santa Merte, I'm doing, well, no I'm

I remember what I'm what I'm that I'm me aviant things and all the

I've kept out in video. Wow. One of the things more

that's that's that all this was going in around of a

month practically but I said, I'm I'm going to put attention

then no no doesn't not but in an edific

in specific of this school was that moved

the bankas those bank of metal that when the pesas

yeah that's that's so that's so so like so so

so so so I'm I'm going or not I'm a second

piece well in one of those me arm of and I have

I have I have to go I have to have to see I'm I'm

see the and I then I'm and then I'm describing that

It's that move in things and when when I'm the light,

it's one of the bank for si and it's a scandal and then I'm going

I'm in this no, as it not so it's it's it

only it's only it but in the video more interesting

that I'm going to pass it was in other occasion

that I'm I'm to move to this salon I

do I do I'm talking what is talking what's

what happened in the video anterior, of that a can't a bank and just, just, just when

you hear that's a sutted some in the air, I'm, this is the

air, I'm sure that's the air, I'm very nervous. A bank of the

center, it's move. Just the bank so the bank so much. Wow.

Absolutely. So, no, no, I don't, no, I don't know with that

intention, but But, but, but, if, if, maybe

to get a here, if I'm a little because the last I was with a good susto.

This, the day of there, there is, there, so, so, as a sotan, As well, as they allot them

the windows, but that's for the wind. I'm doing what is for the wind. This, uh,

oh, there's a lot. And there's I'm going. Yeah, no, I see, no,

man, let me go, we're, no, man, well, roundin, yeah,

that's in the, in the caset in the caset of vigilance. In those times,

the director of this school, me said, oh, I need to me help

to cover for the mornings for to care of the people are in

the area of perfectura we're to give me and I'm apart of what

had succeeded that I said that this this man I have

invited to that so so all so I

get I know I know I know who

are who were curious because all the activity

was in that in specific I'm going to them and those of the next generation

that always they're going you know, you know, you've not not done something in this salon

and some no, no, no and one's in specific they were so they're saying cackety between them

there's, there's there's there's always there's so there so, so then in

one of those so I'm a one of some muchachos that were the second generation

not if they were the third or fourth semester and this this muchach me says oh yes Nazareth

you're going to say a much more I'm going to get in problems I go say you

say you tell me what what I said well I said a

year that I was in that I'm in the first or second semester

almost almost almost in the salon enter at at the

nine of the morning and some of us that

we're foreign we have to get around at the six of the morning because

if not we not we serve the transport okay let's I think and then

then what what happened me I said to one of our great idea to play

to play to see how coincid coincide with the invitation of my

friend he said and what did you did and what they said they're taking

all the center of the And they put them belas busied the table

and they put to get a and the and the he said was just in the center was what I'm

surprised because was where the bank precisely the bank the center is where

it's where it's there's it could say yeah could say and then with the

revelation of the muchachos was that I'm connected with what you

did you exactly that I'm I'm also I'm I'm the last that I

I've got to my mother precisely right that we we're in the city

of Mexico me recommender to get with a person to manage to manage

those energies for that not that could be to say and then so that

could be able and yeah because the experiences that you

have so I'm like I know so I'm so you

know I'm like you something I'm something I'm something

and like you you do you ask like that that's a

because it's like apacivar because you know in the moment can't

be able to happen to get the attack that you took for me is very

the fact for example of the something like a bank of metal like the like the

like the old like the old is pesitism for that the energy

sufficient to move them to use we're we're about about

something so a force a quite a when the

people, like I told about in the fact of that people that are not

with us, that are a better than can get to control technology. So,

here we are talking to a type of entity that's also to the questions to the

communications. Exactly. So, the famous telephunical where a number of a

number of a number that no exist, a few are some numbers that

they don't have no they're not in the and receive these messages impactant.

Oh, Nazareth, what tremendous divinces you have had been in this occasion that was

in the way in the time, I mean, sincerely was of the things that most

me surprised because that they said, that they are you that you want to

you're going, that you call it caron. That's what I me, and so

what time what time has what that's that's what has a approximately three

years, more or more or three years. Okay. The three years for that

you have been to happen to happen. Look, no was going to see because

the work, the work I'm more or less or but no it was

because not he put the attention, the tension of being of being to start

and looking and and looking, because it's certain that if one

to give to give us to give us the importance to It affects and more.

It affects and it's still manifesting. Of course. The fact was the most of the Blue Major

that's over with us to do with us. Any other question is your attention. So, I'll take

the attention and you see that in some moment it's going to be bored so very very impressive

in a CED us. We're just you're of the state or you're from you're from

Chaliscoan of Michigan of course of course of course before you I'm just to give us

that you we'll be in this way how emmozo a chapato really is a preceo

platicen us a little about him this is a lot of artisans Michoacan of Sahuaho Michoacan

with much I'm very I'm so much to the next time we'll have another program

with good I'm just I'll bring other I'm sure I'm thank you a lot of times that's

very much how can find them they're in radio social look in reality

no no I don't I don't any where they're doing this type of Guaraches are

very little so they're to say that they're saying that they're familiares and much of those

they're not not done a grand scale. Yeah. But if someone requires,

so that that's communicate with your media. Yeah, they're in your

social. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, you know, you know, the people,

they're in the description. One, they can look for their name but if they're

more easy, but if they're in really, in reality, it's I'm

as a present for to be here the program. No, man, you know, I'm sorry, I'm know, something

is that I'm in every state of the republic, in every part of the world, there are like these

little mues of effects paranormal, englobated to mythos, legends, for example,

Oaxaca, the part of the soreseste. Here, we know much in the gualism,

the theme of the chanek, what is what is what most is more common

that you're where you're what is the phenomenon that predominant there what I'm what I'm

to say to the area is that more than are very religious even in my city

there is a sonto a young a man a man who is Jose Sanchez del Rio

this this was a martyr so so so I don't

I could not you could be But what is is practicated or arraigated is the questions of workes and burgheries. Yes, no, not as in Catamaco, because there is an epicentro of people that are dedicated to these things.

But how, how do you know, I'm going to do. The people is very religious, but also is crevient of the questions of breweries, of jobs. You know, I'm totally confirmed for all the people that are going to my mother. And, and,

and so, the most gracious is that the people are very those people of those

those types of things. But, but, even as they're in the people that people

that are the people that are, so, the fact of being there, it generates

like a feeling of a demorci of, and of and of and of

the culpa. And of exactly. Because, like, oh, that what, what will

be doing being, I'm doing not, I mean, what's what's

what you know, wow, oh yeah, I mean, I'm you're a creator of

content, I'm sure that you have impacted in more on a occasion with some

that has that has that you have to get to get a or in the comments,

so you do that some of those because those are those are those that

I'm that I'm really, I'm going to talk two that for me are the

most most impressive that me have been welcome so

man one one of one of this is very for me it was

it was it's really because it's also even is involved to my city

the person that me gave the story me he said she

said Sandra me she said she she she had a

experience with a a kind grotesque and very

very mal because per a her Okay. This

muchacha was of Cotija Michoacan but her in this municipality. When

yeah was a adolescent if no mal I remember he went to

go to Zaguayo Michokan where I am in Zahue Michokan there

much tradition of artesans as as, as as for example But there

there is a tradition very beautiful that they call the the

Santiago Apostol in those are in those clagwaliles. You explain what are the clagwaliles. The

flagualiles practically are the representation of, the actually the word

is a general said, in this is a representation of how the

Indian or how the person that was in the communities indigenas

was evangelized by Santiago Apostol or for the evangelizing

of the timers of the times. These people are in those tracts completely full of some little little fierrits called carrutos

and all this they're in a trage very long that all being doing, they're doing much noise

and the most impressive of this is that they are some penachos with plums with carton

with madera very impressive what you want to do you to say with this

is that the people are very related with this festivity and they

they're like a very religious so the history has to have to

a tlaw which is something that's something that's something

this person he made of a nobio to a a person with

that he turned doing this person commented that from

the first his suegra no he and the and his

his wife had also some some toxic that was that was

very possessive with the man and apart she

she had a great affinity for the ex-novia

of this so so imagine that every and

just being being and being that they had

to go to visit a the sweger, she was a

ex-novia in the house of that's that's that's so, that's

very inco- very. And the man was he made to see that that vibra

of that yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm not she, I metia

to the ex-Novia to the house. Yeah, that's so the suhra many times

he said is that this this muchach was the was the indicted and the sort of

the second of the suegra. In one occasion, this muchach gets to the house of the

mother. And when he gets, then it's all normal. They got and they said, and the

sovary began to talk about to the ex-novia. No, is that this is a

super-mugher. Pinch, yeah, cackas. In one of that, the son, he noj,

he, the, the, the, the, the, the the,

the courage and he said, Moma, yeah, yeah me cans you're

to get to this woman that you're that I'm that I'm my my spouse that I

want to so yeah then the then the woman starts to be the victim

and is that my my I don't take the and total

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm in the house they're

they they're they they're they so when when

when said you You know, you know, let me go to your house. No, I'm going. No, no, let's take. Yeah.

She was a little bit. This man, for it was normal. Yeah, I know the lady. Yeah. From that moment,

it was when started the thing rara. Passed a time, yeah no they were the and the suegra

and the suedeer a mode of disculpa he went with a tawalalil for his Mieto, he said

to his muchuch, to his son, my son, I said, I told you I'm going to buy the

trage of Chalalil, that, for a certain are a costos the simple effect of

to elaborate those. So, a mode of disculpa, well, I'm,

I'm, I'm trying my, I'm going to get to go to get to pay.

So, so I said they're they're so, ma, no you don't you don't

you're when a senior, he did a form very hypocrite

in a disculpa to the a, a mother, to her to know

to her a newer. So this this much she saw that was like she

was a question, but he said she no she don't don't

no no doesn't say he's the tlaw in

her in the house when when she go to the

she start the manifestations in the house she

he passed to banning to his and he said when he was

when I'm doing he said that he he said there's because his husband

to have to his mom to say yeah I go yeah

I go yeah when when I when he was with the no

there no he he was to see to be he

there she was she he's that she was so

someone entered no she she she She thought that had entered

to someone he ensured, he was and when for a few he came he was

his husband he was he was abrassando and he's someone oh yes no no

you don't you don't don't no you know he was a more

he was the more after this the first of the first the first of August

and between these days only they're this dance of the Tlauoliles, I don't remember if it's four or five days. The day

most important is the 25 and the four. I don't remember which of the days, but this woman, when Sandra, when he was to

get to his son to the Chalawaliles, his husband fell very very infirm, but, but me

mentioned, that came to form repentina and, and, and, and, So, it was

something that no, no, I could plan to not, not couldn't

contraresting and they're really religiousos in that aspect, of that

you have to assist to the dance and so, then then the

husband to say you know, you have to have to have to come up

the manna's the and that yeah to get to the church

to the church was the thing was the was

the So, so it was. When are the recorries with children, a lot of the children don't know

in the recorriable. Practically recorrentically they're in the city, dancing.

So, in the last time, the actually, to the time, the

kids, the people, the people, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, those pass, they're they're all

all the time, the man, the the trage and he was to

the final of the temple when he went to his house he was

he was his but he was with an aspect deplorable

yeah so that was so he was he he

he he was he was only he he he said he

he's you see very you know no no no no

hospital. Dilla my mom that me bring to what I'm

doing a so I'm so Sandra she kind of your

mom yeah my mom is in the kitchen she she

passed for the kitchen when there no no no

there no no there you and you and when

go to go to the he he he and dents

very grand like as if were colmillos but complete the

car the the sonrisa with with colmillies in that moment she

gritted and she desmayed that what she was was her

help the uh they heard the and they heard

that's in this recorritory because practically all the people all the

people that occasion, the recorritory passed to the time when she was when the

when the the people heard of it was very alarm and they tumbled the door

or so it was very rare when when they got the people, they got on

the time and there was there had got an ambulance to get a hospital that they were

to get to the hospital general of Sagawayo this, no they

they're not to the he did do you know he's he went for all the

proceedings medical necessary so there's no there's no I'm nothing

but there's all the best you see at the person and you

see how it's possible that he he's saying that he's that's that's the other

last me say you say you never and it's and always it's

and the days, the aspect was that she was that she was going to move. And in one of those, I don't remember if it was an friend, a family, a family, he said,

you know, I think that they're doing brujeria. And he says, you think? Me. He says, yeah? He says, yeah. I think they're

they're doing brujeria. There, near of where we're there's a community that's called the Remedios. That's the place

is because that's there are curanderers and some some of the so.

So, this person he recommends to go to an a woman that no recall if

was Brenda or Andrea. They're with this person and just when

they got with the person the she gets and you know you

But if you need to quit your job that you're on or that they're on you're on to you.

But no I'm I'm going to help. I was was anticipating something. So it

was something that's something. Yeah. And in that same moment when they were

talking with this curandera and they they were to say he said he had

had fallen when he when he goes to the hospital he regress

discha of yorando but before to get to get to the hospital it was quite clear

with the woman that she had to her because the work she was

so so so so so so they were all the

arregos funerarios and he had in the body of the his

house and when he went to the commas the

reproches of the mom yeah and look how you

did you did for your Culpating Well, I'm putting what

is the culpability not in she. So, then so that night

was very very very and the day next assisted the curandera

to the house that when assisted the curandera the suhra the soggs

of the assuptas the sure. Yeah me going to catch a

de very said so then even even standing

with all the house full with many people

he said you know you know you know you're you know it's not

it's a good moment my my husband is not you know you know

you have you know the consequence will be to be more more

grave yeah he says well what we're we're to do you

have to do you have to the house and

in this abitation had the penach The the work

artisanal that he had regalated the suhria to her a son

a new to revisar this curandera the place he

says you know everything everything so then he gave instructions

of being in determined place so he did

some circles with some a child and he

he said to Sandra was to be abrasada with his little

of one of these circles and in the other circle he put the penach

but he put he's pedasos yeah at after the

penachio came out was a work was a fetish yeah of the

so he came to make a type uh curation energetic

in the place and practically it was kind of the room

okay after recogued all the residues in a cost of this person

and all all out all they were all they were asusted like as opposed so that

they're doing no no figgate what what what

they said they when they they're because they're because they're very

very they said it's they're they're it's they're they're

they're talking or something they They'd hear gritos, they'd they'd

all those who were in the funeral they'd hear about things that never

didn't in the room. Then she said, is that no, it's that

did this and they did this. No, no, no no, no no, no, no, no,

no, they'd help and they'd and things so. So, then he

then this was so he's so he was so far total that this

curandera he to Sandra that the work was realized for her

and for the ex-novia that was a apprentice of a but he but here

the same that we talked about the video that all has a consequence

exactly this this she was of cancer and no no no

not it was much time he and the ex-novia

of his husband of Sandra but He was abatida In a convoy

Of people Yeah So they're They're the fin There were And practically She was she She didn't

Her husband For because of Her wife And I think Yeah, I think It was the Fynn The husband

Because if If not The He had Foyceido He was the Portator The penach

of the mask. O'ye, how impressionant what level of maldad or independently of that,

okay, a my mwara no, I want to I'm, to do, to your own,

his own, so it's that when you're not with the kids, I'm not, you're a

yeah, it's like that's that, that's, that's, so, so,

so, and it's that the thing we did you at the thing,

so, so, Here, here, maybe it was for a question of toxicity

family, no see, possession family, the she was used to do what she was in

her own, so on that type of, I mean, to make your cuchara,

as they say, in the matrimonio, I mean, I'm totally, I'm really,

I'm fortunate, I'm not, I'm a fact, I'm living in the sky, but those cases

me impact much. Before that we start we we're going to talk to

a rapid there's a person a man a muchach me gave a I'm

where he put so that was that I was that I'm I'm going in order

but so that the new always always always I'm the attention

because they put in the title I'm I'm I'm I'm

happy to cover vengeance with my madrastra I

know I'm I'm going to go to Yeah, Carol. Well, yeah, I'll leo,

and he said, well, she said, well, she that was a father. Unfortunately, his mom,

when I was a question of the and was a question of her world. She got alone with

his papa. For her all the time, for her and he he said a little

like chistosada no, I was I used, and my father, and my

papa me said all the time that, he was he not I was to have to

nobody more and to be to be to be to start not more

to be the your your adolescence because not that not the young I think it

between 16 and 17 years no doesn't not get to the

adolescent still and I said there was there was a woman

that came to live to the house and nota that

he was he was a he was he was a little me

and I I trage a little of the car. This, what you was to

eat? And so my father, I'm a man, so my father, that's a man

is a man, so very very respectuos. Of course that's very, yes,

and the woman went to frequent much the house. And said, yeah,

in that I sentia that this my wife I wanted and I really, the really,

he kissed to be the feo, he said, let my father in peace,

no. So, then I noticed something, I noticed, I sent me that obviously

I don't like but it's because I gave me gave a regalos me I'd give a regalos and pass

the time and it's like this like this connection with the family to the part of the

dad they were they were in a pairja not they're not even together together but the

shena was the she'd but he said Paco I was I'm

Because, I mean, in a point of my thinking, my papa is a person, has those necessities. Well, well, I say, I accept to the lady. Not as my mother. I accept, like, the woman of my papa. I was respectable.

Yeah, I mean, I started to say, hello, do you. We're going to say, Dona, so I'm going to say the name. Hello, Do you know, I'm going to say. Ah, thanks. He said, my father.

All right. I mean, so, yeah, like, yeah, no, there this rivalry, you know, in the

moment that she she said that she back in the guardia yeah not is

we're that's she does make to make to do the

school something that she not she she my papa

and and then then he and then he and

it and the few days that I start to

eat those those those animals and I'm going to infirm.

But it was like you also you also I'm I'm inmediate I'm to say I'm like tomorrow

tomorrow yeah I'm like I'm sorry to say that's that I said to me so the

stomach so I'm so I'm so I'm a woman a woman a young a

a seniorita delgated but he had a panza embassada or that's

a that's a guy a a my father, I started to go to

doctor, they said that there, and they said, there were, studies, well, no,

so, no, so, there was a question clear, for part of the

medicine, more studies, and I had to have to other states

of the republic, with hospitals, more prepared, more more studies,

proofs of the same, etc. for not to set the question long,

no they were, they were, they were, but I'm, but I was a

Mastomable The stomach And the The worst Is that The more Passed the days

The feet The Pirs, It's They're Inflamando horrible Like you

You say No Fault The Miga The He said I think They're

They're They're They're Because not You're Because not You

So To check I'm She said, I'm I'm a I'm I don't

I'm I'm of much suffering because I said I don't could come to

come in my feet were so in chas when the moment to

start I'm and I'm really a lot and I don't know the stomagued

the she said she were a medical in Guadalajara that

he he had he he was a little but he said

that was that was between black and amario but they not

they were that he did it did much sent you dolor of

the moment of extract the liquid, that she thought that you're going to be to be able to be. He gets to his house, he's to

his house again, and at the two days, despirte, again, with the stomach, sumament inflamado. It's where she

has to resonant in her to say, what her friend to say. Another thing that's omitient is

that he said, my papa changed much with me. My papa was very, like, very carinoo

with me and he was like, it was a little frio, So it was a little distant and I saw that

all her attention yeah was like the senior so yeah with me it was like it was like it

so she then then she yeah she gets with a woman that even

she's all this all this all and the first that you're doing

something and it was for something that you come and if you

don't you don't you don't I'm more more because you know you're

you're you're you're in a So, so that's a girl that's a little bit of a A man, a little bit,

he was supermating and he said, I accept the process I accept the process and I say, the question is, I mean, the question that everyone is

that's a woman that's a woman that is a woman that live in your house, so that was the one that was the one that was

she was she was she, it was she, it was she, it's, that they're that they're they're doing,

so they said, it's, It was a process very very hard because he had to vomit, he got to

domit him many things but unfortunately he was to help us the problem you know,

that is at the two days because she she said she said I want to get

the job and I want to you know you know that's not you don't say

she's she's not she I said he'll go to get to

get to no no no no no no no no he's he

he's salud to the salute to the her like what will be going to

go to do you two days the manse inflamadiss of the stomachs

of the heart he's a little but she first she first

her first she was a process in that she was inflamando no this

this woman amene on a night she was in the same

condition that she there was no there then she she then she

and then let me let me give me your pardon only with your

pardon I'm I can to be able to be. No, Muret. That is my response. My Papa, he goes to say, my

daughter, pardonal. He said, Papa, what are you are saying? Papa, how do you? I said, I mean, I said, I said, I mean, that's, that that was, that was, my Papa, no was I, I know, I know, my papa not was his, I know, not was doing him, he, he, he went to

to corred me of the house for not to give her pardon to that a woman. She, this has been two months

that's not a know what has what has what I'm what she has I'm saying I'm in

that case and I did the pardon. I don't see if yeah she went

of this world I with my father I don't but I'm

content of that receive what you receive a what you receive a

and the life and and actually that type of that

that is necessary not is necessary with with something. All,

all, all, all, to all, all, so, so,

karma, exactly. Exactly. Well, it's, we could call karma,

or, like, but all they're, but all so much. I don't say,

did all, really, everyone did really, everyone, there, there,

people, in the circle of, then I, then I, then I, like, that,

that they give a pardon, no, and the force divina, does, do a

justice, that take actions of his own own and, look, I don't say, he's doing it's doing bad, I don't

say, she's doing not, she's only she's only, she and she's all the way, and she said,

because she was a point, then, exactly, to pass a better life. So, so it's

impressionant, the cases of brujery, I mean, always me impact, when, when we, when

we're talking these things, are, some things are quite complicated, many people, many people,

some of those they're they're impression because it's a thing that is a thing that's a

so it's a so it's all it's all it's not no no pass in many parts and let me

let me say something and I let's talk about many times in my videos the problem

of the problems of the work's is that the great majority of persons

that practice all this not are people who are people who know So,

okay. So, so very difficult you're going to find with persons that really

know to make curations, or all this type of things, but the person that

really is good for this, can do this, can do you exactly, much damage. And something

that's some people that also that also that's done much for charlatans. For people that

play with the necessity of the people is very common and this person of a unicorn me said is that the

realer brother who I'm going to say that's exactly because because is what is what is the

charlatans where you you say this are people are experts in this so are

experts in in in to get information you they're they're

they they're and you oh so so no the the real

brother when you you say you you need to act to this form because if not

this or this so those are those are the those are those those that are those that you have you when you

when I'm my friends let's get it and get them and they don't pay their time no peteran their

because evidently they're going to then to they're going to I don't know I don't know what's

the reason maybe the the clips of Facebook but many people me send them messages more than

to know to be able to give you bring a service that's I'm sorry I'm not I'm

so I'm not I think no I think no I think it's but what I

say to you is that it's going to be very complicated that they're that really

let's to give a solution to those problems if they have to bring

with brugeria even even in these videos that I

talk I'm about about the principal arm of the

person in questions of charlatan charlataner charlatneria uh of the question

of the suggestion exactly the suggestion completely I mentioned that the suggestion is a principal

arm like for example a person that really know about about questions

of brugery of energies neither need to you need to show for that you

see you see a look, me are working. Yeah. No. They're

simply with the work, they're going to do what they're doing to do.

So, then they want to you see a work to dogeria or out of your

house, not precisely it doesn't mean, you're going to because the

great majority of people are, they're so much, and they are the

people and the suggestion completely but when if it's something

And immediately it's This exists Amigua Is that This is really You know You know

I was really With my abuela The people Who are watching They've lived They've lived

Also in Carney Propia Well this Let's say This phenomenon Like this It's so

Impresonant It can get to get to It's too It's Maligno How can

I can Occuped for things But I think It's Tell us that second that I'm sure

that will be impressionate. This is this is going to go much. My mom had some

some forms could say of work that no I've seen in another other part or in

videos or in cultures of other places that I don't I don't

I'm the question that is going to belong to some of like

like for example she she used methods of

method of adivination a little conventional she used she could

use the tarot the coffee even there are some certain

but are people are people are people and they use

a method that the magic of the she

a little a normal she put on your

and you put you so the and then

when put her on her she put his

hands on on your hands and only observed the flama of the bell. So,

then I said what you know, then it was when you said, you know, I want to

know what is my her man, that's that's perdited. I don't know

we know that's where is where she? So, then she gave a salt and

sign of where was, not I was but he said where

was, and it was and it was and it was see that

the people get with her with things like that Maribel much thanks for

help us to that that is that is sure in one of these in one of

a case similar that I told of this people of my city

they're they're dedicated to the event to food so

no recuards if no bad also also a

family of papas and kids, he was going bad in the business and also are going

going to things in your in your house. My mother, at

the first immediately, a difference of the previous of the previous case, he said

that was the head of family. Yeah. That what they were to leave them

without money, that they had been getting a lot of things and that

had to cure. And in in that in that case he used a method of curation a little conventional she used

always I remember as a method of protection plantas animals and also animals

okay and also us also on some occasions in these

and these jobs for curation of people agenas to

and in that occasion had to employing one to cure a to this person she could

use a a fishado a perego a cat or what he said here what feo it could say

that is the death of the animal because all the work is in the animal

is the is the receptor of the energy exactly they use they use like

a canalisator of that energy negative for that's everything this person

in this animal. This sir what he did was to get

a this sanation and every every that was to the

these limpia could say I would say always cargable with

him and had passed some some and I when

I was a good or bad a good above of all the

other in arboh in bards in all parts. And in that occasion I

was in the barra that was in the barra that was in the door and I'm a lot of

a carmionette but a total a prisa. He got the camionette to the house and

it's stamp in the porton of my house. It was a little that the

door so moved to be to be above I was I'm up

I'm so this person that person that was being

working to to curates with the pesk and he is also his wife

of the caronet and he he's to start to rancar the he starts

and he starts and he starts and my mom not even didn't even a form

to because was the carionetta yeah and he he starts

to say this sir he said that you tell you you get to

your house get to get to get to your car and

this sir he he He said that he He said that he was He said that he He said he meant

And my mom He said, no That I said I said that this I was going to Goet to your house When he said

This person He took to Revolk and a grittar Like if If it was Like if she Stubier

Kempando Just to the front of the house Only we had We had a Sollie So he was

So he was Very machin Yeah Yeah Very Brambucon Yeah, no, man, that occasion, I never had seen so as a lot,

grittling to my mom that what was what was going. So, this person was started to revoke, to do you

an disorder completely. Imagineate, how it was the thing that he had to get to the

policeia to be able. Wow. Passed a time, I had the perception or the idea

of that this had been a question of possession, or something but not not much

time I I knew I know I knew that was the reality in that one of my one of my

my old me says is that you don't you know you know the details of this

class of the secuel in this class of workes is that

part of the personality of the animal is a form momentana

in the person that is being curate. Then me is the

animal is the that you think you exactly me you know you know you're

you're you're and all and all and all and then and then I'm sure

I'm so it's certain so I'm moving like if was a out of the

water of the water exactly and so so I'm so I'm so

I'm totally impacted because yeah when I knew my

mother my mom had fall he's been and will be to know

God how many how many how much how much and this sequela for me

was impressive yeah so it's impressive like they're like this this and if

we're we're a questions that yeah a little more not physical

but chemics or no so I know how you want to

know how how how I'm about the connection that

between exactly people I mean a connection invisible right

is that we have a cable connected but if there's a connection that's a form invisible, that's the word

but you can be connected with that person and so that person that is that person is very close to you

see this and is where it's where these, how are these these presentiments Yeah, even,

fifte, you know, you just you know, I'm just I'm sure that I'm the same

idea in quite to these theories of Jacobo Grimberg that about of the

theory syndergic if no me quibok in that there those vincol

between people that even did some some where a person

was in other and he made his post and

I don't I remember what was the medician

and and the those those persons that were

in different places he did know that they

had determined connection or was activated a activity

in those the medications of those apparatus because there a connection made a connection

emotional and the actual it was the same that I thought in about the question of the animals

even I'm I put to investigate a little about the thing of why the animals

get to get to help or to help in this question of the energy

I don't see have said of people that have therapies

psychologics with animals with animals, with people, with people major,

that have depression. And I have the theory of that these animals, some of

those of them, some of them, they're even a person like if it was the way. Exactly.

When you it's the way, exactly the same. It's the idea that I have

and this this type of therapy is called therapy assistida with animals. Uh,

so it so it's and I I think that is another other

more than more than the energy so you know, you know, I mean,

all the everything you know, everything you know, everything that's yeah,

yeah, that's that I'm a lot of that so. Yeah, I remember

much also, talking about talking about the thing, that in the

moment, also, when I'm when I'm in some busk in a music,

he took with people that were not with people with animals

connected their psyche with the animal and he was impressed to see how a chaman was in a

point of a pinno with nothing without a form so statica controlling a animal a alcone

no I remember if it was an alcon or an agila and the chamanes he said

if you if you knew you he's he's not he's he's looking by the

middle of the eyes of the eagle Yeah. So, it's impressive how...

Even there are the things of the Nagualism. Of the Nagualism, exactly.

Yeah. Because yeah we've been to a transmutation, we're about a change physical.

Exactly. I mean, we're still at a level seven, carnal, I mean, impressive.

I mean, impressiveant, the fact of, those are those raises, her man. It was,

that was, that was our thing, yeah, I'm going to say, oh, yeah,

Paco, me to get to the no, Yeah, I mean, no, nothing. I know, no, nothing. I love all the countries, especially,

Spain, too. No, it's hate. But really, that was our legado. That is our mother. Even, precisely, right that we're doing

the episode, I'm about the questions of the Santa Morty. Figate. We've seen we've heard stories aterradoras

so of positive as and negatives of the image. But if you put to see the origin as a

image of the Santa Mewart in the church they're they're they

they're they're they're they're but the reality is that we're

we're the people there's there's Miklatekutli yeah Mikalentekut

that's the god Maya I don't remember what is but very sonated

in the cultures Mexicanas Mesoamericanas I don't remember I think for

here he was but there one that was represented right with a

and you see imponent, precious, how it they're the the posteor of my clan, I don't recall.

Yes, is Mictal T'Kutli. It's impressive. It's impressive how it's, so the people know, the people look like

the question is that in that we did a mix of many things that's, that's, that even

the church also, even the church also that mixed some things of Catholicism with the

cultures Mexicanas for that we could we're to accept I think the the Virgin of Guadalupe

is one of them yeah Tonansin if no I'm I'm the name

our mother that was a representation very very very much to the image

of the Virgin of Guadalupe exactly so there the the word

correct is a syncretism exactly there Secretism religious in

the part of the culture of the religion Catholic for the sects

so mixed a little of our culture with us and the of us

and the of us and then some people they use they're and

and the actually what it's something so totally the

santos the those santos and something something we

have said in different these capitals is that I get to think that is that there

are places where they have a, the santo with the santa and they say, no, well,

is that I'm, but you go to really with people that are people that are they're doing in Cuba,

and they say, is that to be the death with with our saints. I don't they're

not they're not done we're not we're so we're so. There are there in Mexico where

they're completely admirable is to a certain point, but here the question

is that in that also could be part of our work to show, to show, for what

they're for they're for what they serve? Fjate that in the moment I

did, not that not that he, but he see the the right

of the real to talk about of this of this actually we've

talked in another podcast of other channel but many people

are feeling offended is that is the problem of these things. Because you

you can say this this is that religion is so that's your origin even

that's their origin but they're they're but they're so

so so so so so so that's the not

so so so immediately get the hate there

with with this class of video precisely I

think right that we're you video that is Santa or

demonio okay so it is there is a question is a same

or is a demon or is a death and I'm and

I'm and I don't is because because for you get

to get to pass for the processes religious and

the church Catholic exactly the beatification and canonization

so that not not I know I know

I don't or something or something. No. So, but almost all the

people they involve with the Catholicism. Yes. And at the hour

to question also, then is a demonio? No, not it

is a demonio because as a such for that could be

considered a demonio would be a malevola for for natural

but not the question is the question is that people they

are they use they are offrendas a time sangrientas

for different things and every devotion is completely different and with

this syncretism that we did with our culture so

the people are disinformed but but apart of the

church it consider as that that that that's

that that was a very very obscure so and

and so because grand persons also that I just that I work

with the devil and with the death. Yes. So, and you say no, because it's

that's they're so they're so. So, so so it's so it's so it's

so it's so much but what's impressive Nazareth oh yeah yeah

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