EXTRA ANORMAL - 137 | Mis experiencias PARANORMALES siendo GAFE | FT: GAFE 423

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

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In the nights, Paco, it was there's a talk about the door.

So, it's there's on the stances of, but imagineate tower,

escalers metalics, yeah, yeah, yeah, clearissim. And then a bit of

like that like someone stood running, you, your arm and you and you're

no, no, no, nothing, nothing, no, no, no,

no, so, I'm, I'm, well, way, if if you

If you're you're to give a cigar and I said what I'm

I'm I'm I'm super dormid and I don't I'm

I don't so I know how time it I'm a shh shh

shh shh Hello Hello Hello, Hi, Welcome to My name is Paco Arias

and I'm very happy to be here in a chapter more for all of you guys very content. We're in the city of Guadalajara

Halisco and we're starting the collaborations with broche of the ore. Today is with me the gaffe. How are you?

Very good. Thank you for this invitation and also thanks to your team of work that that was

that's been in all the details that gives to be a collaboration of this people think that is easy

but no there This is, like no all, but much thanks for for present me this space of telling my

stories. No, well, I'm very content, I know your job, you know your job, it's a

excellent job for the person that is the first that's the first time, your friends social, and

who are you? My rest social is, I'm like Gaffe 423 in all. I'm the most

followers try, because you know because, you know, because, you know, because of

you know, but I'm a podcast also in in company of my brother, that's after the lines,

that podcast if we're more than pure theme bellico, a time of security, what the

people don't try to talk to what is happening in the actuality in the country, and in my channel

principal, that's Gaffe 423, then I talk of a podcast that I've invited,

people, they can find good good stories. Pardon, for the people that me to say,

it's a with a little of a grip, So I'll bring a little of fleas. Who is Gaffi 423? I was an element that was in the

exercite Mexican and also in what has been being being a ram called forces speciales. I was in the

body of forces speciales and I went to eight years and a half in the forces armadas.

I'm going I'm a time as a lot of a copicia but he was a call to

a sculted of a officer and then I'm to go to a colonel in resum

count is a point of what is my trajectory that are more 10 years in question of security and there I think of

and then I'm and if I do do you know here we're doing we're doing content that's good that really is that even

the family they've been to know that I'll always also the links direct in the description of the

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really good stories, yeah, the net, yeah, we've got we're,

we're in, we imagine. They're not, they're real. They're not going to come to something that

I'm going to do, I'm going to do, I know, I'm going, and is that, it's curious,

brother, because I'm, because, I'm, we're we're going to, we're

additional, I've done, I'm a opportunity to say that the courerererable to receive relattos,

even is in the description, sometimes me get relats Arelleros, are taxists, chauferes,

are policies and soldiers. And, of the fact, those experiences more fortes, almost always are when they're in

places a little retirated, when they talk with situations that's not far of the normal, when you

don't stand in the city, but when they visit these places about the mountains,

the rios, is when they're when they are experimenting activity paranormal. But I

have a problem for you, You crease in the theme paranormal? Sure,

that, I think in the thing paranormal. It was very, but a special exeptical

in all this thing. But, even said, even if you talk, until you do it,

is when you make, you know, you're the exepticism, and it was my case.

I really me inclinable more for, for, for secarly all the side of the science,

to say, all has a thing, and maybe I'm a more of these records

that of those forgets because not were very relevant in your life.

Maybe I've lived anecdotas that were certain but for this skepticism

I'll forget because it could have been so but I don't

my first my first experience was when I started to believe

in all paranormal in one on when I was more

more 15 16 I don't remember very between 14

to 16 but I think was like about for the

15 my prima had a newio that was it was a compisima my

then of those times that's that's because the compa prefer to pisteer

with the prime and then this roo so here here the thing is that my tia

was very in what was the life was a life yeah he had

he and all the roo so in one so in a occasion I remember

that was I'm I'm talking all in the cell

and it was a sombra. It was very common that were

somebers that were in the altar of the Santa Morty. So,

this comarada for a mention or said a a problem respect

to the Santa Morte. And my Tia and I said, with the

Santa, not you metas because she can give your restptive

hallon of your hand to start to get to this

Camarada. Dill still more things and he'll start and he

and he and he's and he started more more directly with her but

he's like this he's that you try to do you try to when

when they the night to my my prima and

his nobio he he he come and what

and what he's you you you're to get to

to get to to get to to cucko, you know my head

yeah, yeah, but no he's he's he's he's his father

in the United so he he was he was that he he was very very

margado when he was over because he gotrava those times that he

had been in the peda and it and it was totally mother and then

he said but but your oh no no no no no no no no

no no there no no no there I'm the day second

the two we're on, we're going in San Juan of God we're

we're those people that back on the rest and this

role and we we're just just one one a one of the time

with so then we then we we're we're we're to get

to get to buy mercancy San Juan Simon we we we we

we're we're we're to we're to do and he he had

literally in a room was a a little he was the United

and he terminated to Guadalajara or he finally to get to make a or to do

or do the service that in that was very very very very

very calient and the time the so he's he ended for so of his

obligation in the service military in the United and he's coming

here here literally literally without I'm oh my you're

you're you're you're in the in the camera you you're

you So, yeah, the cotorreau of, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no past nothing, and then this this is that you know, that's all scurro and they're going to

think that delicious, no, no, no, to the contrary, we, we, never happened,

oh, yeah, we, never to happen, and we're, and we're, platic of the of the paranormal. Yeah.

And we're so, we're so, no, I, when I was more young, me took

to live this and he was talking me a story when when they're up on the colchon

brother. You know, like if someone would be under the camera and with the

hand to push to the and we're we're we're stuck and we did count that we

did you and when he went and me gave some little those in the

mind me what's way what's he's he got to because literally has

to count that that the colchon. And we're like, well, mame, and the Santa Monde, and you did I'm sorry. And we're going to talk of this thing, but we're always

cagedissimo. So, then we started to gain. The sunner, it was like the 1.5, 2 of the morning. We're just like, we're getting to doormidos. And in middle of the quarter, there were a bottle of Coca-Cola, these

is of vidro. No, there no, any, any, another entry. And apart, for what he passed more Adelante it would have had to have been a

current very much what's what's the first the bottle it's to get

to the and then we've got to get to us and we're going to get to do

to the to the cell to the was a experience that today

I go so so if it we've we've before I

did I could see a resort or to

the day I get to we went, we went to recoges to work my

company and there was a mariposa in the entrance. So, yeah, we got to this compa

he said, oh, you know, you know, you know, this situation. And yeah, my tia,

was he did like a limp, or no, I know, and he did that he said,

he said, he said, I was, I'm, so I'm, so I'm, so I'm, I'm,

so I'm, I'm, but, but after there, more, more things that came

to get to blocker or I don't remember. But I became very sceptic in all this thing.

Okay. I was yeah in the exercite Mexican and in the exorcite Mexican,

it's a society a society in a society. You can't the same in the military,

from the work from carpinteros and all this role. But also the important of this

is that there is that there's a prison for military's okay this

prison is if you commit some delito, that is a delito military, they're going

to go to guard there, like if they're in a prison civil. It's a year,

two years, 12 years, is the same. And it's equal to a prison conventional?

Or more? No. No, in the sense of it depends. Okay. It's a

yes, but no. If you you go, for example, here, to the prison

military that is in the mojonera, so are prison militares that can say that are

for delitos not very. Delitos like desobedience, abandono of service. One example,

you are my sergeant, I'm a cab, a soldier, you me does a order and if I do you know

that I can't, that this order has to be the of the regulations

military. It has has been into what is the military. You can do you

say, ohie, metete that case. No, that is a order that is a

that's going to go to prison. More well, they're in the case, the thing military. So, if you do me make

an order of, oh, why not go, be bollied, and no me bollied my bollas and you'll go back, you'll say,

let's go, you're saying, I'm going to you're doing no, you're going to get to the carcelesel after three,

four years, for disinience. So, so, the, that's the question in the question

of the discipline in, and in these presions, in the grand majority of prisons that are the

long of the Republic Mexican much people do for this type of deletals or that

you're in a seclement in X place and then you say no I don't I don't want to start

here you your arm and you you go to that's an abandono of service you can

get to get to get to get to it's like I go and literally it's like a

a carcel a carcel a carcel your family go and you visit

but in the city of Mexico in the well in the state

of Mexico, the campo military number one, which is one of the most different of the

public. And in this camp, there's a prison military, because the prisons are in the prisons are in

the campers. And in this camp, there's a baron, because the bards are in this prison, if there are militaries that go, for deletions,

with, people that you know that don't have to have to have accrued, or because they did things very

bad, much people end up going to this type of places.

So, or that they've in some company. This place is very

very very because it's like a carcels, you can say civil.

So, they get or ingress certain substances. There there,

there, who govern that prison. Yeah, in the other prison,

as I know, along of the republic, are things very

that's could say, that you could an amistat with the, with the intern, that not's a never, but no there's a problem,

of a repent, he gets, oh, your man, he's, he's, he's, my family, my poeas, to come to buy them,

a, you're going to you go and you buy you, and you go and you're like an act of corruption of that they're saying,

ah, well, I, you, I'm, I, I'm 300, no, no, because you know, because you're in the situation

that these people are there in the situation, that's in the city of Mexico, there is a problem. Because literally, you have to

like you're in a prison civil. If you metes in things very great, you can't go to the carcels. Or the same internes and they're the form of that the custodians,

who are the militares, commit an error for that they're to get to the prison. It's like a conceding of, ah, we have to have to paint

those of red to that can be to paint them to blue. Because the uniforms are are of color blue.

So, so can say that's, No, that's we're going to a little of silence?

That's it. That's it could say? It's could say that that's that

this person military. Who are those who are the who are the people are the same

militares? I mean, I'm a soldier of infanteria a soldier of a battalion

and at the the zone in the area, that is the the mano

of this prison He said, first battalion of infantry, today he's toca, the security of this prison. Mand me to 30 persons to that they care. And you send them. And you can't, at the most 30 days, 2 months, 2 months and 1⁄, what's it's until that they send in the relevo.

And at the most, manned a X battalion, now to do the relevo. Cople's functions that, in what it's your job. Because you know, you know, because you know is a custodian, but the soldier, so could say that's like a todologist. does

to do all and the balli-in-leria of all the soldier of the officer and then

of that's also if you do you you're going to be a function of custodio and much of the

times this can be counterproducente because about it in the prison is like the

that's in the there's a problem because the enemyistat with the city of Mexico

if it's there's anemist that you have to paint to the soldier

to and If you get the soldier, no is the actuar, how is the protocol of a custodio.

No, it's a question to be to make a question, you can't get in a problem

legal. So, this is I want to know, because I have done a function

of custody. Okay. At the long of my trajectory in the forces armadas, me took

to be in two occasions in this prison. This carcels military has many many years

brother, decades, decades of functionment. So, initially it was more little than what is today. Today, today are six

torres, but when he used this row, were four torres. They have annexed other two and the

pedacet more than have constructed. But imagine if in the decade of the 90,

the the army, it was, it was, it was, could get to get to give to

soldiers, to torture soldiers, to do infinity of things because not was

not meted the thing of the time of the thing I'm in a lot of a certain

point, I'm made a generation of a general, it's a soldier is a general of the

point is a soldier and in theory is trained for desvivir people but also but also

there's to understand that the soldier has certain things that there there's a limit

of what you can't do do that's, and not just because a person he had to go to help him. Imagineate if

this was in the 90, even when I entered in my first two years, still had much this abuse of

authority. You took to get to trancasos with other? It's that they're going to be,

to be three tablasos or cositas that the people say, ah, it's part of being a

military, at the final it's being doing a person, or that you try me

some, take me some, and you guys oh, well, I'm to have to

to buy my money to a person. Ah, so you you had to invite? Yes,

this is something that's still living. But anteriorly are things that the people can say,

oh, no manches. Well, what, what, what is, a little a soldier, a soldier,

shillon. Because I, I was I did, you know, a thing is that not they've

made, and we're, and we're not, and we're in that, in that side, in that side, because we

say it's part of being, but if you know from other perspective are abuses

that don't they're going to pass. No is the to be right. Exactly. No is the

to be a man. And in many occasions you're to say, a very, I'll put

an example before, before I'm to say with this thing of the of the prison.

In one a time, I mean me took to make a a post to, they they're

they're doing a post to position. What is this? Companierers detubiering to a

person, a person a person and they put a, I did a post disposition

to the minister public. And yeah, for that moment it was like the 2013, yeah,

the soldier, yeah, not we're not going to the section of Calderon, they said, say, you're

going to the disposition. A little you're not you're saying, but I'm going to an order.

But he started a series of problems of that revented the pedos legales, to be,

how did you, well, I, well, I, well, I didn't, I don't, then why

for what you firmast? And you could be pass from the other other side because

you're committing committing to commit in a lot of you're in a occasion and I'm

saying to say the post of disposition oh yeah but I'm not you don't know

I'm going to my credential of the elector and why not you don't have your

because I'm my casill you're you present you present arrested in

when you get to you're I'm I'm sure I prefer to me resten

three four days to I can a problem legal that can can't

two or three years because Because I've I've I'm three or four

years in a problem legal for a post to a disposition that they're not used and that's you know

you don't you know you're not detuvies and so some problems legales so as

a raise of this experience in a head other many I'm not I'm going to

get to make I'm going to get to let's get that house we're we're not we're just

we're like we're we're going to because the problems legal no reventable because

And the superiors not were like like they said Madre, we're going to do you know, we're going to do you do you

do you do your problem if you get to the carcel is your role. Exactly. So in this occasion

Irvano, I'm battling much with this. In this occasion I don't want to do that post

to position and me arrested or me were they were to be to restar for not

not have done the post to this is an abuse of authority brother and at

and at the final brother, we had like a like a minute, I'm going to

go to my house. And that we're going to go to go to go to my house. Me said

the tenient sale, so if you want to go to your house, give me $200

pesos. I got a hundred pesos and I was and I went to I'm going to

get to a suborn for that not me arrestar for something for a order

to be a so I want to then to that's to the that we referim

so. So, that is practically things like abuse of authority for that people going to be understanding if this you're talking

like in 2013. Imagineate what what happened in the years 90. No, man. Imagine

what I was in the years 80. It was a big forcare to the discipline

military. I would abuse of authority very, very very strong as

to the soldier. And here is where this point in the history

that this prison has decades. Decas. I can't to say 40, 50, no

I doubt that it can't have, could have to even, but it's a prison very old. Okay. So, then since you

enter, it's a, the vibra, a vibra very negative. But there's two torres in specific, that

the vibra is horrible, caran, very, very bad at this vibra, because in this moment that I'm talking,

you're talking, they've been in excess, a part more to the prison, and they've been built two towers.

And the tower, Torre 4 and Torre 5, these torres, they could say, bigas, bigissimas. No, they didn't even a system of light into.

And to enter to these two torres, you had the ingress was out of the prison, not for the inside. So, the soldiers had to

go to the prison to to put to to the tower. In this tower, we had a servic a soldier,

a soldier, nothing more. So, then you so I said it's more because they said they're going to

the prison no, and you're to start and you're to start the things. I imagine

that there's when you get you see, they're that's like the little

or the yeah, yeah, it's like all because when we're saying a very section,

the first section will be to start this, it's going to get to the detackament

to the pressure and you know you know you know so you're the first the first

the first the first the first and you start that all mames pinches

stress there in that in that service and you and you're waltz. And then you're a sustan. Ah, boy, they're they're just. In the tower four and torre five, you can't roydos and appear in things.

And I, well, no, it's just this man, no, no, I think. So, when you go out of the tower, more or less at the altitude of the, of the tower four, which is where,

where it's where it's a 10, 15 meters, 20 meters, there's a quarter subterranean and when you are

going to you're going and you're going to and you're because those who you're

not going to you're an example you're a soldier of the second battalion I'm

a soldier of the first battalion and you you're to me you go to

you're to go to go to you're to go to you're to go you know

I'm oh yeah what is that is that that's that that's

in use that in this quarter has many years torturped

to be in those soldiers there's they're they're they're they're and they

they're they're this is the entrance oh no there's this video is a

keybrado that that's that's that's that's so when

me me they're the first because I'm recluta was in the

force armas and the those services always are going to

go and they're so so you you know in

this in these two torres astustangue. No, let me. If you see,

they're in the sputts? Or it? No, it was like, yeah. No, it's like.

So, I mean, they're to make to the Torre 5. Ivient there like

15, 20 days, for so say it, I as old new, but of

a repent they're, we're we're we're in this pression like

15 days approximately and they're to cover to a old

new, that had to get to get to his disarrment as

soldier and they're to the tower four. So,

in the tower five, Torre four we're two soldiers

reclutones. So the question is, me took to hear things. Yes,

if I took to hear things. You entered, and no there was

in what was the tower. And the escalers were of caracol, escalers

metalic so so because you you, you're to see or

so, Paco, you need to bring a lampra. You know, you're in your lampra to put your

and you're and you're and you're very difficult because it was a little because it was a very,

very, so so we're a space or subia and you get to the top of the tower and

nothing more no, no there absolutely nothing. In the nights, Paco, it was

heard that on the door. So, I see You know, the but imagineate

all, escalers metallics, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, clearissom.

And then like that's, like, like, like, you know, your arm, your arm,

and you and I'm, man, man, man, no, nothing, nothing,

so, you, you, and, oh, manned to say, to say,

there, no, no, no, no, it was, it was, it was

the situation to, the oh, me took the door. Oh, you,

me they're having pietas. Oh, I'm going to see that a

school I'm in a lot of the escalation. I'm going to the vigilantes were doing part of

what he was in the torres. I never did part because this no, this not, this

not, this mental you. You know, that no, that no, that no, then. So, in the night,

a part of the 9 of the night, the soldiers every 15 minutes gritts,

in this type of services, every minutes, they're, light, Torre one,

you know, Torre one, Alerta, two, alerta, until that the torres. This was every

15 minutes. Because, to obligar to the soldier to be able to get up. Desperto. Because you

can't put your alarm but you know you know you know the moment the vigilante will

be done the so that you had to be alerta to not get to get to not

so I used to when subed the escalers corriending and of

this part in my head of that's the echo and it's the echo and I'm saying but how does

the echo way you just can go and you can't get up and that the echo

so can get to that someone is impossible so I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm

like you like omitia certain things or you didn't not give the importance

maybe inconscientently to not affect to you too. Sure. The more because I

would have a fear and not the I'm not you're to be able to be in exactly.

I'm not to block that's because it was going to and I'm and he was a point

in the he was I was a fear, in the day not me I'm don't know

because you know you on the day montas in the day montas five hours in the

night montas three in the day more than when if I was when I

was done I'm I'm going to be to my night in the night not I

dormia, because the night I made me fear, because in those moments, it was when the rubeos were used, and apart of that there was to be able to with the, with the grito, and if me kept dormied, and if when

opened the eyes, there's something, no, no, no. What would have been your response, Gaff, precisely that? If you're just as, you're like, cabseeing, you're there, but you're just a bit, you

see, what's the response to a soldier? I, say, you're, you You're going to do you, so what would you? I think the response to that would have, and never I've thought, eh? So, you know, so you're, you know, you're asking? Or, you're, you're trying? What, what would be your response to your and the of any sort of? Oh, and is that every person reaction is different, brother.

And I think that no would have been reactionar. So, you're paralyzas? I think me would have paralyzed because me passed. Okay. Ah, you passed? Yes, yes, so, so, so, so, but no me passed within the tower. No, me passed dormido. me passed

Desperto What happened? In the Torre 4 I saw a more recluta that I was more reclutate

than I was more than I he made a like one 80 and he was He was he was

He was Altos So always Like the Abol of the people that I'm old is like the

Mono So this this company and you all the days we were We were We're

We're dismontarms at the 12 we'd mountar we, at the hour that we dismontar the service,

we'd go because we had to enter the two together to the prison. So it was like he'd he'd be

and he'd and he'd get to first at the pass and we we're going to hey, let us go, let us

go, we're we met him to the stacament of the custodios. But in that occasion I bached

the escalers, no it was like the people were at the three, four of the morning, at the maybe I'd

say it's like 12 of the night, so that in theory no, no, no, there's a problem because, well, it was like if you're

with your telephone. So I, I, backed, backed the escalaries, and I went repasando some reglamments

military that had read in a manual of the redundancy of the reglament military, and I'd, no, because the

soldier, the guard, in prevention, C, conforms. I, I mean in my ped, so I, so that,

I never ever me that something that something that something when I I get to the part of what is the Torre, I've done that it was a little

banquetta, a little cera, and it was like the size of this door, not even a meter. It was very little, then I was there to be a garden, and I went to the cera, and obligatory had to pass by the part of the

tower. So, before to get to what was the tower, me bagged to what was the, well, the pastisal. me I'm back and when I'm going to

the reoho just in the corner of the door it was too I don't have to go to go to

the reoho and he a person a person parada but but inconsient my reaction

was letmonos mono I think that was my companyer and when let me go

mono this this person that was parted like you have seen the

of the when they're so when they're so So I see that this SOMB, I'll gore

and gore for detract of me. I do you know, in bed to gore, gore, me and it's out of my side of the left and he's going to and in what it's being

being being, well, the terrain that was there, there was a much ojaraska of the pinos. So,

because there was much ojarrasca of the pinos and, and, the real, man, it's

heard, when this sombra, hebred what was the ojarasca the ojasca. The oja

seca. Exactly, the o'clock. And what what's the sombra? So, it's a

subterranio, that quarter of the room, there disappears the noise, but you know, as to count,

like, it's a dark, like, it's a place, and there disappear the noise.

And I kept petrified. I, no, no, I didn't take my my,

my fierro, because I I knew that it was more, more than something that, that, something that was in this

plan of because who, if it was a person a person a general, a, a little,

a military, a soldier or something, what you are going to be doing there's, now if

there was that there and you call the there's a ballada, that you get a

there, you don't pass you, you're going to be not, no, you pass, no

pass, no passes and you're not, you If you want to escape of the

soldier, because you get to a place to where you're where you're where you're going to be

going to be the question of the million. You know, I'm not. No, I'm

I'm petrified and I started, I started, I'm I'm, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, and I said,

and if I go and I'm and if I'm investigue and there the side the side scientific,

of that no a response, there's that's that when I did the experts brother. The

thing paranormal not is not to convince to nobody. The thing paranormal are the mues,

if you're if you're there's, if no, there's and in your case, there's a

yeah, no, no, no, yeah, you've been you've lived, yeah, yeah,

you're at you start, or not, but yeah, no, I'm going to get a little back,

I'm going to me, I'm saying much, Paco, you, you're, you're of those who see a cat

black I think that's a guill, I don't know that's a lot of that's

a lot of so I'm too much I'm going to I'm sure very sceptic and he's always always a

lot of the thing, the gronka is when you get got gots all, man that's the problem and

I've had goted absolutely everything all since I'm in the tower yeah for

this moment that happened that's I've had a minute I'm a man a man

one, okay a one and a part of so I've

had heard the door, that me have been a bitras to the window, that's up at a

repent, you know, you're always I'm trying to look at the lot of the thing, but like I'm

there's no, I mean, I've got to a question for you. Echallel. You think that in

certain reclusorios, carceles can have spiritos of persons of reclusos? I do

that's here because you don't know because I'm let me me queso my municipal, but well, this is not I've told.

It's a person that came one a bit of my podcast that is a periodist. You know, you know, the other people do you're

a little chismosyllis, like indang a little bit more. But that periodist, that's a man, a

man, I'm a European, he doesn't much the thing paranormal also.

So in my municipality, they're in their, in their carceler, no, so the

reclusorio, is this this first part that is the reclusory which is how is

where they're where they're where they're for 24 48 hours and it's like the

preventio those separas those separas and the reclusorio well in the

reclusorio there there's a part I think because a family in my

very very very he worked in the people and

almost every or every determined time he about her

even at at the three of the morning, four of the morning to go to because

they're like these these catteos where they were those the prisoners and up up up

up up up up and all to all those, to them they were those

they were to get a like a car to do that and they're and then

they're so they they're so they're they're there so you know

what you what can what what can of not to not have there in there

no, flourina telephones so telephoons things that can do you know exactly

so I'm so I'm so much I'm because it was a madrogated and we

did we made much the attention that there were much there were many

people people that people who occupied for this time

for for redimers not maybe maybe think much

in what they're doing but it He came with us

a doctor The doctor he noted that not was like very with the things

that they were in that in that moment because obviously like I was

rights human and they had to do more politically

correct all in the process but well he he

he he he comment from below of because

you don't he question to any that's you

have heard of the toro? No? Okay. Preguntal to anyone, says. What is the toro? Why are they to get those of the toro? And she gets like, okay? The, how's it? The director of the reclusory

talks with this person, with the person of Deachos Human, that I was accompanying in that then. And she he said, oh, yeah, what is the toro? Putt, the bato, he was like, nervoso, and who said, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's

no, the recluses are very so, no, no, no, well,

but she not he said, who's he said, no, he said any person, he said,

he's the doctor, Doc. And he he was, he said, you know, he's the

door, no, because they're in people, in a very bad state, and the case is that indangando,

obviously nobody he said that he said, he was with people that were

that just were there, when they they're what is the toro the

the toro is a cell that is a calabosa is the place

where they're a recluso at at least in the municipality

I don't I don't say in my municipality there there in the

where if you you put you you torturing

they they they are they are the people

that are And then they're with problems psychological because you're not there's a it's a little

not the light of the sun no there no there maybe you come's but comest there with excrement

and all the time you're torturing so to the people that were in the tour and they

had taken when when he did this this this came this

cato well yeah that I did all the context this person

that person that was a podcast solicit permission for a normal was accompanied

of a a brawomen was a person was a he was a he was a he started to get

the authorization who didn't know he said but he was a lot he was a

carnal the net I said he did a chance to go because he said

no well we're to see we've spritus pass them so

he did two elements a man and a woman he was the he was

he was him and the two elements and they started to

recor the and the and the he said he said no

is that there is that there there's much they're in a part

man that they not didn't they they they

they said they said the here there are spirits

here there are spirits human that not have been transcending

we need we need a circle of fire and to send those

spirits to the light in this moment the man

I said I here there there whatever something me

make a the element woman so the the

bato was the first he was so so

so the person the and the the and the the

police no Abren the portal, and no manches, canals. Contacted with a spirit, a young of the years 90, for that you said, that he said, that he said that he said that he had been able to go

because he had been a little time to go to get, but he was a problem with a recluse. So, he gotrable to, he's calented, and eventually he was, he was, So, with the

with the life of this company. So, they're in him, to him, toro,

they're in the door and not they're in, they're in, castigando, no, and it and they

were like two months to do. Cumpre his condo, I, had a other,

he had a thing, he had, he, had to, he, had to, the world.

When the portal, He opened the portal and they They're talking to say He took the conversation With the bruce and the brute He was the guy who said

All right. In that moment The element of police That's had said also, I'm going to go But the investigator He started to documentar All right. So it was in the years 90 He said Nogh, me Pellé with Fulam

My name is Sutano Me did This, this, this, this And here this no, no, it was in the years 90, this was like five years

there, and not only there, there had many, but only with him took him, they've got this

evocation of this evocation of this spirit, so it's termina, mann't a all the

and the periodist no, it's with the with the hands of know,

so with his contacts, with all, There is. Fulano of Tal.

Mwerte for, this, that was asthma, a murder ridicule. I don't

remember if they put an asthma or panio. Very machiado. But the feches

were. Coincidian. Coincidian to the perfection and they're in the

person that took the dispute that he had desivied also. Also,

also his reason of the murder ridicula. So, are those murders

and this was in the years of the years, for that you did you what you did it

in these years, years 70, 80, I imagine how they were so it's that's

that's obviously that's that's that's that's and still and still

still still still still still still still occuping that

but imagine in this other other other is the ex

the The Feche still being very hermetic in the things that do you. And in the things that really pass.

So, of a repent they're filter things, like for example, the guacamayas or, or people

that filter some video, but they have many of the forces as far as the people know, in

the actuality. Now, imagineate, when the the army was still more hermetic that no

was any a pluma of there of the gillingerer. So, how many things,

how many abusos no was to the soldiers. That abertamity today

I'll do you know, and it's a lot of what I'm to say it's a

but there a group that's the judicial military, that are known as the

men, because they're dressed of but they're those that if

a soldier try some of some situation with some

bad or try some some problem that the that the the

the man no he doesn't a soldier, mann't to the judicial military for

this element, they're in a ryev, they're in, they're not you know, and if they're not,

who's the reclimate, who has a person, who does a person, who has a baddoe, but in

reality, the judicial military has done things atroces in the forces armas. And there

there are occasions that people that can even to try a a time, to do you

with an example I, that has about things of the forces of the forces armas,

no doubt is that one day they're to the judicial military and me they're going to and me torturing so they're and who's going to do

because are things that you do you talk about things that you make fibras sensible that's the corruption

the other man the people that the people that have tried to maintain occulted the information and the

the grand fortune that you have your community that you know you know you know you can't

that you you see that's pendent of you and obviously if something will get to happen, I think it's a disaster. So, much people, creators, fans.

Yes. There, and here I you, I don't have problems with nobody. So, you can say that the only people that have moved fibras sensible is

is the government. And I'm, I'm about the government federal, I'm going to the Secretary of the Defense National. Yeah.

There's more, it's like, is a person problematic, a person that has problems with all the other. At the contrary,

I try to get me to get me with all. and not to have problems with absolutely nobody.

It's more not with my, and with the maia I have problems. So, if something

get to pass, well, it's not going to get to get to get to or, it's going to

do it. I'm going to do you do you try to assault or an accident or not

there's, details that can't say, no, we've we've went,

but how times not it has done he's done? And how how many

has seen that there are things rareas that not quadran with certain

things like for example what of Jacobo that I've invested a little more of Jacob

Grimberg things that not those are just from just from so just from his

investigation with this padia that he went to investigate things

many very can't for his own and he was to try

with situations of the same government Mexican that

he he he he he started to toponial

because I was where for this topic, because I think

that he's about much I think he I'm going to do you I think yeah,

I think yeah, I know I know very little of this time but there's

the occasion that I did the good to talk about me just a coquita

if you me says you make like the attention so I know

I'm the so I'm who's I'm that's he has more of 50

books so so so it is something is something that

is something time to read all what he he wrote, all the thing is

to learn, another is to understand what this person is writing. Because

I'm not a man of a person like someone who maybe

can't understand what that this person wrote, but I have

many many I can say that I'm I'm saying I'm someone

I think I think the government in the government he's

what was the thing of Jacob Owe primarily I don't know

if contemplated a point that was doing the government of the United in that the year

the project Stargay yeah I've heard of it no as the as far

the project Starge no this is the reason for the I think that Jacob

still live while Jacob he did many advances advanced

certain scientific and working with the human the

inconsient and all so at the in the United and the government

he's a project that I know that much he's going to sound to but no buskenslo

he invirited more of two millions of dollars a project called StarGay this project

was called as a war fria was to potentia the sentios of the humans or so

they'd have to all the soldiers with, let's say we're studying with

the soldiers vision remote the connection has a connection interleasement quantico

how is this in a carfe that we're in a me in a quarter of a

dark where we're we need interaction for 20 minutes we need to talk

as well as if we're doing podcast So, he's a graph

in the fourth and Paco he's back to get to get to yeah

but yeah but you generate something that's something that's

what I'm doing to Grimber right so so you standing

in your pulsation in a computer to connect an electrode

a chink of things and you get a flashhazos

like the of a camera your your Cerebro,

while being something and be the light, does this signal.

The curious is that check in the studio my standing yeah

where I am where I am and my Cerebr also detect a

same than the time this is a interleacement quaintico. Sensibate to all

his soldiers in the vision remote in the interleacement quantico communication

telepathic to have advantage in of a case of a third war world. So, imagine

these quattes doing investigations, meteringle a chingo of money, and at the same time a fulano called Jacob

Grimber in Mexico he had discovered great things. What did you? This cabrano we need in the group.

We need to that's working what we want to do what we're doing what we're and precisely with the

disclassification of archivos that's, that ojo for me us are they're doing to

know what they're because they're a lot of information that they're not to

not they're not to do not they're not to not they're in the next 100 years

but in what you know there's there projects of Stargate where

yeah comes the name yeah they're now today

now now now now now to see these

archiv disclass not because I'm I can't to were there are

many advances that were doing with the time in the mind they're not

in the theory if you are still they're they're there not so

so I think he he collaborated for to continue to

the telepatia communication all this thing that if I want to communicate

for the mind so I'm so I think I'm not

not maybe not you don't but there there's

there some a a States America? It's that's

something that's something. Sure. And, well, you can investigate

for to, I don't see, to say, to say, no

exists this thing of the telepathia or what you want,

one that that they don't this reason, for why you do you

know, but not it's the first project that the government or

the government or that are related to the project this of MK

Ultra. How many projects know we have that we're that we're that we're that's we're

related to the mind and what not are in the light public. So, for what are getting

millions and with something with the first time from the first moment that so if if you

still you investien in the mind is because there's because something there's

there's so I'm also I'm in the clavo here in this is my point of my point of

my point of No, not valored the discoveries, the contrary, the community scientific is

was just overland of Jacobo Grimber. He's, they're in gach man. And here, I think,

as, as a go, no, no, not as a what you to do you do you

do you, you're going to go, you're going to say, no, you're not, you're not,

you're not, you're not, you're a person a man, you're a, you're a genio, you're just absolutely

all what you what you do you use is to do disposition, this at your Alcance. But the better me go

to go to go and I'm going to go to know what I'm not we're really really not we're

really we're really we're in Mexico manno it's and it and it's so it's

and it's something I'm also too much my attention of the person is precisely

what happened with the project Target that before that had that had that

had some number but fiatte something something something before

when it was called earlier before started to invest a

a lot of money but all what they were public all the publiced

all the advances it was public a project public the problem

is that they they're a time and they make an

investment much more more and is when they

they they're but two months after that they

they're they they're they're they they're not the

results not not the result of the I finalized After

after two months that you metes a lot and it's when the people

say okay here not is public here is a project a secret and is

where it's where this road to come Grimber but no

I know it's something that I think for that I'm not we're

we're we're we're we're we consider that secret, the

theme of the super Soldado, for example, what we know that we must have Marvel with Captain America.

That's true too too. I don't know if in some moment. No, I don't know.

I don't know. I'll explain. Because from the Second War Worldial, we've been

investigating and doing investigations in humans, from humans, from things, things, the resistance

physical. Exactly. And the people, a little not know the other other

other other that is also, because the Alemans. Almost the

people know the other Alemann and what did the Americans

but Japan didn't not he said he said but all you

but all was more focused in the Germany of those moments but

also the camps of concentration Japanese did they were atrocities

for fines scientific if we don't this form with

with people for example an enemy political expression

of of war people of China if they were an atrocities and also it's really

what is the thing mental the thing of the super-soldados the the time

of the people of there's there's that we know we know that's

because much documentation so came and the United

as we know not not he's not he's

not they're not they're there all the contrary. He was

he was he was he was for the work for them to all the know of

all the advances that they had been in this moment. Fingate I have

a doubt. Suppose, let's here is that here here the sweros of

the super-soldado so I could say the name and who was the name that it's a

number that they tumble but it's the bigote chistosito the mostachon the mostachon the mostachon

and they're an suero but no here not there

the fiction, that you put mom, boy. You're creases and that's the thing of your pulseation, augment your resistance,

in a 20, 25% you're more more rapid, more, more trams, more meters. If you were doing what

we know what we know like a plantita that puts a felice to the people. Yes, caffeine,

more chemicals, and about because this with many scientists and so

really scientists people that are experiments with people who are trying to try to try to try

people of the other world and if they did they were creating a soldier with more

resistance with more aguant with more condition but they did count

of something of all after after he does he does count

that he'd get to that the soldier to the when

terminable. The great majority they were to go to the other world for the

heart of those, they were to give them to do that they were to do a person,

so, superhuman but at the end to the end of the effect and they

are in a, no see how call it a state a

repos partia their their condition and not they were

not so the body they they they were at

the maximum and even they they were doing

doing with all. And if importar that after this time they

they were and they're experimenting and they're experimenting because they were trying to help that longar

that's there's many things very turvias in the experiments just of Germany.

Simply I don't see if you know the rations in the rations of militares that in

the States are known as you're known as as a Ration K the ration of the

soldiers Alemans had a Well, something crystal-o- for not

to say the word. I don't see if you know this thing, a substance

that here in Mexico they're these people these people like crystal-os in the

rations of the soldiers of the part of their consumption to be

alertas and they have been experimented with this type of substances

and no doubt that they've experienced with other more

because for them in this moment were they

they'd have this to the soldier to to maintain us in states alertas and et cetera that here in the

actuality we we've been that people of this mala so they're to do this role.

A few years we're talking to the decade of the 40 to the soldiers yeah it's just

this kind of this substance crystalosa for their consumption for to be in

situation alert so what you don't they're at final we can

know we can't because as we're we're we're we're we're

not enter in conflicts with the algorithm, then the government censure things for that not be made

a form public, then what is what we don't we know we know that's a thing a little

what in reality what in reality know what is that and is that they're going to know to

they're going to keep, they're always the information but I have a question

for you. Chele, let's in a place where you did you do you

partied with in some moment Gaffe no sentiste that one of those were like the Paco

or the Baciel the bato raro that he's about stories that he's that's

he's always I mean you know I'm you know there were moments where you

had about this in some moment that one of you had to tell

something that this is incredible no I don't I know I don't

no I'm in a occasion me took a a

companion that I'm I'll talk about this situation we're talking we're just we're just

we're desplicated to make because there was a situation of that was always

michocan very very very very but in this occasion so much this state

we're we're in adistraming we're about two three times because every

year at battalion or a battalion or a battalion it's an adistramment that's

an adistramment annual we're we're we're a two months of culminate

our distraming after a year and that they're to get to get to the franchise

when it's the state of Michoakan and they're we're literally we're we're in a distraming

we're in the center of estramental in the famous car we don't we're

we're normally the battalion not they're not they're completely sometimes they're

displegated unities so what pelotones that sections that companies are all their

sector of responsibility. And to do the concentration and not not to not to do this

sector of responsibility so it did it is easy to our region to say well,

that's a disramient they're two two months and they send to give us

to Chokan so it's more more easy then

we're they're they're and you make to know that's to start

to start to be a particular to do a time a time a

company to a place and they're to to the battalion

to the long of the state of Michoacan and I initially me initially me took

in a municipality called Periban that is here to here

to the Riesk in Jalisco. It's like frontera so it's very calient

this place in question of the maja and in question of the police community because at

the police community was the cartel was the cartel was the castel vestio of police

community is a reality that's the reality and abiotrantly I can't say it's the first first time

that I'm going to say a mention that the four letters that the cartel helisco was the community so so that you

give you an idea of how that's about they don't know they to care because be you to those

communities not you can't you can't you can't not even you know you can't do you can't

not because they were they were invested in a charrola that the government federal had

they had done. So, this place is very, very very

calient and how you know, I'm in the moment with the pressure, always that

one one is a other, it has to be to go to you're

to go ahead, that you know, that's, the table, the lot of a couchon,

et cetera, et cetera. So when we get to receive this detacement that's

in Periban of the Dolores, uh, within of this destacement there

was, how can say, a photo of a a soldier, how's the name of this? Like an altar.

Yeah. It was an altar. To record a to this element that had had perished to the life in an

affrontamintment. So when we're going to start us they're going to get to do that and the

person that was a cargo to do the person, he said to say to our comendante

oh, there he he he's he he'll sometimes in a bit sometimes in a bit of

some some cigarito or something. And my commandant, my commandant, he asked, it was, it was, no, no, no. Not just, well, no, it was, even no, he was in consignor when we got here. So,

so, so it's going to pass. After the perros. Of that, when you're a little, look, that perrito. Here, there's a-de-a-de-comer, and so they're going to go ahead. So, we're taking this altar with, with the photo of the companyer, of how they were in life, and also a photo of when

was his, so elorio military. So this altar was pegged what was the armer, where we were our arms, but also

it was to say it was in the alohamination. And always we put down the bellitas to the company and I

had two cigars in the photo, I had two cigarrittos there and in the nights, this story

that I'm talking, I'm going to have passed what of the all of the soldier. So,

so I had created in this So, of a repent, we're accosted, and an example of here at the point, that you'd like,

some five meters, more or less, was where the, the, the altar. Uh-huh. So, it was a,

it was a, it was a sombre, that someone that was, like, a, to the altar. What happened?

In one occasion, I was, I was, I was rumbo, the bay, because the banos we were out of this

And it was a day, it was like three, four at the time. And he was one of my companions that was in a

thought of a thought of and I'm going to be and I'm what I'm what I'm no, no

nothing carrel and I know what no no no, no nothing, nothing, all chido.

No, I didn't say, but I didn't say, but I knew that something but I saw that

for the other side that sometimes is a family or something he went deprimed and he's

And that's always like foco-rojos between companions we're doing, this boy this boy,

end up mal indagar because he can get to get a situation of that he's so do you

so do that so I'm saying to say, oh boy, all right, well, but you see that's

you know, you know, what's you know, we're just you're going to you're going to you're going to

when me said when I'm not familiar, we're just we're not like the other other

way, what I mean I don't know I'm sorry no way but not you don't let say you

like a paper in the book no way but not no way no way no

I don't say no way no way no I'm doing my service I'm

on my guardia and I had much so much sweet he was he said

he said he was he had a sergeant because we were we're we're

three pelotones there And each peloton has his sergeant. The sergeant, the sergeant, that he had, was

it was a, a carot, right? Those people who use, just like what you talked about so,

they're just, they're to get us to get us, so. So, this sergeant was of those,

of those that you know, the guy, you know, because it's the obligation of the

sergeant, when his turn or his pelotone is to be a guardia, to start doing,

like these roundines of that all stay well. So, then what's what, is that he's that I've got I was that I don't want to

him, I don't want to. And I know that I saw that the pelon in any moment, he could get up because he was, well, no, no, calum, but it was resourable. And I said, I saw that the pelon in any moment, so, it's going to get? And what, what?

Well, I said to the mortito, whey, if me despirtas, I'm going to in a cigar and I said, what happened?

Well, I'm so I'm super dormido and then I don't know how much time it

but I'm a shh shh until that I I'm and I'm

and I no, no, no, no, no I'm there and I

see I see I'm there a lot of men's yeah We, I'm a pelon,

we, me he went to get him he's got and I he's, and what's

what? Well, the net me, because if someone me, I'm

I'm so, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, well, the net

yeah, but I'm going to give to give, let's get a cigarette, but I'm

oh, oh, the chingada oh, oh, no, it passed 15 days

for the much, no, no, was full of cigars. To have his two cigarettes in the photo, it was a

full of cigars. No, man. It's... It's... It's... He said that the guy was put up...

...that he he'd get to get a dormit. So, it was like a thing. So, when I started

all the cigars, in one occasion, they're... Hey, who's... who's

who's... ...that's... ...as in the list. And I, no, it's the fuck. And I'm...

Because I... I'm... I'm... the story, but burland and that's the way, they're going to say, what traitor is the exerite Mexican?

We're comas, we're brothers and this, no, it's like, I was like he, he was trying. He was going to tell us that he was to

talk to his story. But what curious is, he, he talked about this story, responding to your

question, he me it he was, but not was like an issue of an cigarette, two,

man, the mortito, he could do do you do do something to do go to Tant to pinch cigar

in that in this moment Very incredible because, I mean, here I remember just the word of these people who are

experts in the thing paranormal to do a invocation or to do a vocation not is the great thing

so you no no no not occupies that's all that's all no no it's easy

it's it's facilit to make a factto way a sometimes the people they can

do and for things ridiculous but oh yeah car despirt me and you do the interchamble

the damme and you do and we're saying you're saying with a woman you're talking with a person that's in the world

of the mortals that he he's just in this world but the bronca is to know if it was the

companyero or not the company exactly because that's the question and desgraciously

in the majority of the cases that have investigated not is the family not is the

abuelito, we're we're not we're that they're that they're always, is that always are

there, and they're looking where a someone he renden a cult, where there,

so if I'm a ternic, then a bellit, then a bell, but here

and now if there's these people that are these pactitos, put a countle that

me to be here. And here there's also to respond to what you I'm

what you asked a or if the souls or the spirits can't get in a place in specific? I don't that's a, sure, that's. I'll put an example.

When this story me passed when I was sceptic in all this rollo. When I went to my distraming, as a soldier to you send an something called the Casier,

the center of disdament of combat individual regional, which is a place where we're distrains the soldiers. Here in Jalisco, we have one in Jammai, that's in 92,

baton, of the 92 in the part yeah more profound, yeah pegged to the serro is the center of

the regiment of combat individual. In this place, that is a battalion, it's

that before that was a battalion, this was a, well, this was an asient, the reality

is that was that was a thing, but it said that you're then you entered and

literally they were, they were they're, they're, they, the the beaeros of the caballos.

It was a siena. And what comes being being being being the, like the commandancy of this place,

you know, the house of that the Maniosote. To what I with this? It's done in a point

between Jama and Jalisco Kotlan that here in Jalisco I don't know if you ever has

heard, the famous Gristera. So, so in all that point was a pass obligated and

there were there were, those Firtes battalions with government with the cristeros

So it said that desivio were a much people in this place and that they they're

in all these invasions So, then from the same when I was to my disraming

to say there in Jama and there they're saying and they can't they're all

they're saying so then in one occasion when I was when I was my service in what was the

pluma the ingress to the commandant that is the house where's in the asiena in the asient. I'm,

I'm the most that I get to listen were they're like when when you're two cadenas so I

get to hear to hear many and it's like I'm scared, I would be coming and was doing

like a roundin and it's of those occasions that you see that someone your own

your own I'd and I'd see nobody. Pasa the time, it's

like a year, more or I'm graduated, I was, I'm a only,

practically of a year, we went to this adistraming annual, and this adistraming annual,

so it's the center of distraming. And in an occasion, so it was a mitote,

a man, that gave the ambulance and all, because in this place there are in this

there's a chismesote because one of the chikas that was giving the

security just in the place where I think I'm I'm going to when the

chava and they said why you're why you was doing my service

was coming when I was when I went to the part of and

see a woman and she there was a vestiment a

not of not of our times and in the moment that I saw

this my dismayed then came the ambulance because not seen

what he had happened to the little the child the she

but she but she she she doesn't mention of

that she when I'm when I was when I was

doing a man I'm doing like they're like

the chalander and they're much so so so

are things that those those we talk to live

of something things very little things very little

things but I think the the soldiers or

the people or not necessarily an entity or an demon that gets to be a little bit of

there's a get to get to get a there, but maybe they're to manifest of that.

Because in a occasion in my battalion was very well-savid that in my battalion

there was a soldier. And in what consisted this this thing? There was a service

of vigilance in front of an a loojamient of a place where where it was allmascenable

all the vestuary boatas. So this Yeah, not It was, for so it's called

in the battalion He was yeah pegged to the predio that if you did you did it

was a predie was a camp camp now so now so that

he'd get to the prison military so when you was

all that was this this terrain was that was that was

that was that was a place not not an issue

there had passed in many times of that

they were at two of the morning, one of the morning, and they were

that the soldier had to the soldier that was in that was going to come and he was coming,

but he cuted the pain, the element because a me took to be able to get it on

an occasion that came he got the furniture and so he was going to go to get to

be to go and the cab commandant to turn he said hey you,

what you what do you do you do you well you said my cab me

made to no, you know, you want to relever with nobody, way. Yes, he went a soldier and me said that, that I'm put in relax, that he'd be able to,

because it's very common of that sometimes for a service, say, say, relevence with the same arms, say, look, I'm trying my arms,

so all my pernors, when it's when it's over and you doves and it is very common of that sometimes do you get to do some, but

there are things that are doing, but there are things that's, so, no, he went to the person, and just

just give me your arm and I gave me my arm and then I'm going to be

to be here let me get let's see let's see let's see what I'm you know what you're going to

you know and there in the garitone where where where's the where's where it's where it's

the arm recargated I'm me took to see the arm recargated no because

I was in this occasion I was to be the car of the car of the car

to the there was something that before I was that I'm sure that's going to that's going to that story

of a soldier that gets to he's in the moment and you say that's a vesty of solado yeah and you get to say

my man let's get to relax when we get to get to relax when we got to that was recarged. I've got to

one of that company and that's me wrote and that's that's called I mean it's not a phantasmagoric

or not is the spectrum. No, no, it's a person, a soldier. And is that he went to that also, he was, he, was there to be guardia, and he was in his relive. And he said the same, but the detail is that I said, I was I was having a lot of, I had I

had a lot of year. Yeah, I was I was I when he presented to him. No, well, well, let's go to get a, you know, I'm going to, I'm kept here, and the same. I, say, he's the, I don't know if is the commandant, or who is that cargo, and he said, well,

you what do you do? I'm going to my relew. And the same. So, how? I don't have invited to

nobody. No, well, it's that he gave me relegou and the same, and the place.

So, it's like this spirit. I don't know how you know, but I remember much to

the planchada. Exactly. So, the year. Yeah, yeah, this, and at the mere

hour, then, never, never seen nobody. These these things

panormals me can't am because is trying to to understand the

phenomenon these entities that are not not, but in all the case,

they're in when you discover your presence and you discover that we're that's when the people

when the people get these these bad those malos to be a cabro and I know

like a man who get to comment in that moment of oh yeah but at

a poco no no he he he can know the people

that can get to that can get to make that the the state of

force more or less a battleion can be to get to 500

people imagine to get a 500 people is impossible you know you know

to what is your little your petaloton you know who's

the eight integrates apart of you of that you, you can know

to know to all the section that is because you know that's the

organica is a lot a one section and a company well you

know who is your peloton you know who is your section

that pelotones because it's with those that you normally you're the people of your company, that are three sections. But yeah, to know the other

you'll make you to the dinosaurs, those that have years and years, but it's impossible to know all over you're just an example you're going to

go to make sure, and when you're a person that you know, you know, you're going to get a number and then it's impossible to recognize

all those rosters and a repent you see, ah, this boy is new, no I've been oh, this boy yeah you have have you know who is because are

people who are people who have seven, eight, nine years, but there are people that as they come they're going, so they're going to then. So, it's impossible to recognize to

all the people. So when they said to the soldier, oh, hey, no, no, no, I don't know who was,

but this is normal because there people who know you know, and you know to that you're going to make a service

with him, me explain. It's a thing that, I don't know, that you don't you know, you know,

that's simple and the person and has done a question of this so it's

not it's easy to say oh yeah I'm this situation but believe it

many people not people don't think you when you you know you're this is

real this is this is a tremendous experiences we're you guys I'm

I'm I'm I'm thank I'm I'm I'm I'm

thank I'm that you have to come to come of,

and give the time to be here, the real your social is for who people,

there's, there's there's there. There's a lot of there. There's

many people that no, no, I don't me a, but for the

people that want to to see to to this person that's the Gaffe

423, but in all my social I'm like Gaffe 423 I'm

that's the I'm the number and you know, they're they're they're

they're doing my podcast normally we There are invited that are Paranormal We're

We're trying It's a theme Abiertes, it's a banicco very Abirto

and if if they can't not more things other because we're in other

channel called that far after the line is the podcast Thanks thank you

thank you thanks for for having me present this space to tell

my stories oh man good family also thanks to all to get

to all the final you know you know that those

I want to those those we're we're we a next chapter.

Passenla, bonito. Until the next. Bye. Yeah.