EXTRA ANORMAL - 138 | Mi Experiencia con Sacerdotes EXORCISTAS | Conocí a la HIENA de Querétaro

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

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to one of them in an occasion getting to the first, a second man to

us to look us, we're saying here right is just here the father. Cade

mention that not they do it in the church, it's in other and we

get us a place where they are these these they're they're not necessarily

that is necessarily a posse but that is a mal spiritual. It's what

we've the influence demoniac. Exactly. What can You take a more

an envy that they're doing, and they're doing, and they're doing oration. Practically is what they're

in a oration with you. But not you're in a demonio down to, you're in,

you're in, you're exactly. And so when we get us says the, an assistant is right

is just a liberation or an exorcism. Gustan pass? No, no, because that is so they don't

they don't they don't they're for security for security and for secrecy and then so

but we're like the door and we started we started we're going to like a child gritts normal as fartes

like someone of 15 years when they're when they're in the door gritos and when they're the door

when the door is the sacerdote and it's a little a little it was she was she

was she I was I was I'd say I was a person in the reclusory

a reclusory a female here in the city of Mexico and And one day in the passillo me

I'm a chava, because he distracts and he's and he's a little like a woman like a

little bit of a year of my name. I said, oh, you're the that's the time.

I always I've been to enter, but no they're because I don't know because I'm

so I'm in the side psychiatric, no they're saying what you do you do what you do do you

do you do do you do class of Cateism of the Bible me but I were in the

psychiatric she she yeah of the other but I was in the passillo

where not I'm they're going to you know, they're just a lot of it's a lot of

it's a really, it's really a lot of I'm doing a lot of you know, not of the

they're to do you like they're a favor like a kind of a favor of spiritual

and yeah I'm know I know a story and me said the the woman that the

she's like I'm going to get to and he's you know you know you know me said

right right that's where you just your cellular Googlea the Jena

the Kerytaro. The Yenna of Keretra. And I still I don't know the abode.

I know, I'm like Claudia Mijangos. Hello, what How much? Beenews a new a chapter more

of podcast Extra Anormal. My name is Pacuarius and I'm very happy to be here with all of

this occasion I'm very content, family because it's of the times in those that we've

been living the phenomenon paranormal that's very much how is how is Marisio?

How is you? How is Pao? a good to be with your team. Thanks, Maurice.

A pleasure. Thank you. The pleasure is my. The pleasure is my. The fact, I'm excited to know you.

Thanks. Thank you. Well, so for the people who are seeing for the first time, who are you?

And your social, and your social, my name is Mauritio Massas. I know

many people like Mofer. My social is socials, but where is Mofer and Bacher

in Instagram. And, well, to what I did I do much years in

a time of production. Okay. production of events, production audiovisual involved in all this

thing. More than to ventate all the curriculum particular in the paranormal ultimately we've done

documentals with with what you're what you was like miracles but not out of

the common from what from from from from from from from from Santa

of Satanas of santae and satteria and other documentaries about those has been

involved during much time in the investigation of this thing and in this way has been very present the

court paranormal okay fiatty that normally I don't know this question of the person who are

not normal but there another question that me really we're back to the question

to the question how is this this is so I do you know I see the malagros that no

come in the sea that no come in the god was this in these

documentals to me me invite to participate as chief of investigation. And that part is to find cases. Regularly, primarily

were, principally, were, they were, enfocados to those Catholics. Curiously were very difficult to find those. Because, even in a theme very quadratory, the Catholic, when is a miracle, if it's

to be, uh, get to be taken, uh, get to be taken, uh, in other cultures, other religions, the miracle is more intangible. The miracle is more intangible

and of faith. Sure. So we did with many few cases of Catholicism

miracles. Mirrors real. Reales. And, and as where you can't

palp because we're saying in States, that doubt reasonable, that's

where is a miracle because we're we're empatamos for example, miracles

medical, from the part medical, how not they're not they documented

analysis, studies, interviews with, you say, cardiologists, oncologists,

et cetera, and we're there's no, there's no, there's the part

religious or the faith. Milagrosa. And in that way, we're, we're going to talk

rapidly, a story very brief. Adelant. I'm I'm I'm a little

that much people know, he's because we've done with him various

things, and much people have grabbed I'm I'm for a thing

for a thing of exorcism because he He has a faith or a religion or a cult or an angelito negro. Angelito Negro,

so is Satanas. They're just Satanas, El Cue, et cetera, Lucifer. I'm, I'm acerco with him, I said, well, here's the exorcism, no? He's more, he's more. And he resulto

and he was talking with him, detracting with him behind of cameras, was more for a miracle. He platica that he was a Catholic, his mom, he's a man,

he's a member of cancer, and in this came he resable he was he was he was

he was going to give to give him the miracle no his his mother

his mother his mom and he he never he never he went to a day looking in internet

he's a god a catanica and there he's not they're they're they're

they're not and then he says I do my alma is a pacto of a

pacto of Alma, I said, I do my alma to my mom sanes.

When we we're going for a talk of exorcism at the way we're doing doing this

I'm doing a miracle but it's very very strong it's you know, it's

you get the only that's and there is where we're that we

know that he's he's also that he's also that's so it's

so much that's almost a almost a sects and he rompe with all

that's he just he said here he he said health work

or so like a Catholic no he says not you don't come as

things more malandras yeah and he does the well you know

you know and in that we're we're focusing in this and his

and his and his he's he's not even the person even the obispo negro

of the he's he says no to to be to be to support

because you don't you're going to pay power, money, you know, you know,

to pay your mom. That's a classic, no, the people that's a lot of,

you know, but you, you know, because the demonio satanast implic a or the image of a power

not, so the people, so the person, and he's got for a good,

his mom saner, I don't, I'll tell the story, because he he's

at a level national, this, and his mother, then I think he

regress to I think the same and with a danger of that they're and he

will be to make a man for say it a offer and he

he he he to make know this this perspective

not a not obscure but to give to know to be

not that the person is the mal or the good that

the person or the demonio or the god or the God or

is malo, no? Okay. And then he begins to grow to much in his cult. I've seen many times with him he's been in a quarter little, and right now has expanded, yeah, he's been a business, apart of that, of things a little esoteric,

and has grown, so, at the grader, that one's, me seems, regettoneros or rappers, he saw, they've got to get him to Chau, Spain, with all his deity, his angelito, negro, he was he, he was all

paid, so, he's been doing to know very rapid and with that faith, because you'll listen to talk and

it's a like a Christian like. All right. All right. All right. All right. And there

you're a yeah. And so his mom was going to sanar. He was a little

difficult. Very difficult because they're literally in the entrance of where they're having a virgin and

a lot of a altar very great of the demonio with much demons. So the senior, like at

beginning, I don't want, no, I don't you know, no, the chock the idea of religions and we're arraigated,

imagine that. And apart of what did you? So, did you know? The senior, you know? The senior, I

know, I think was an impact very strong for the senior. Auraita you know, they're

they're not in a way in a way in a negative, but he not in a way in a

way, in what he he thinks, in what he Your life me impression much and

I remember very well I've talked about with Bruchos of Catemaco I've been doing collaborations

with them yeah, we've seen even with the Brucho major, with his pap

with all the little in a single and particularly is the thing of the faith. I remember

that one I said a person that I also that I'm that I'm that normally

the people when I want to do a pacto satanical to give your ala lucifer,

to the people normally they're doing because they're because they're because they're money, are political

or are people who are people who are they're doing to sell things more yeah more chakalonas yeah

yeah more underground no yeah exactly so so but me says but there

there a little part of those people very little that are they make a pacto

Entregan His Alme Facto of Sanger For Nata

For pure Devosion For care To give To give us His life To be So,

I mean What's So, I Do you I mean Arraigated This idea No

To say If Is in Mexico The majority Are Catholic So,

You know You know But You they're They're They're They're

Sobe You know They're In a God A religion Exactly You're

They've Baptists communion, confirmation, this, all, because if you didn't say they'd not be to

get to be to be able to get a yeah, yes, that's your first your first no,

the confirmation I think that's the communion is for the communion is to be that I'm yeah, I'm not,

no, I'm gonna no, I'm a year, years in the religion Catholic but,

but, but, but, but, but, so, so, yeah,

I'm sure, you know, I'm sure, I respect all, I respecto, But I sometimes I'm going to

think how is what's the and we get to a point the faith the fear the way in mountains

biblically this is there's there's there's the devil for others can be the

other can be Sanjutas for others can be the churchensita santeria for all there exists

there's always there's where you put your faith and for me the faith move mountains

and the people that not has faith in nothing, in a moment difficult of his life,

he nace the faith in something. They're in what whatever, but they're to believe in something,

you know, or they're in their people, because if it's very difficult, it's like

not having a part you know? Exactly. It's very difficult. I know I've

known to the moment to someone that's not someone who there's that is that God no, it's

but I think in the universe. You're you're trying is that is that the

tendency to create always in something in something that's a sometimes

we're doing to do especially people ummating prodigias in the thing

in the time in the science have argumented and have said that we're

we're we need we need to put our faith to know to be to the

most there's there's there are there there's there but the

great majority have the Well, let's say, the Esperance of that the Morir is to know, no, I know, a new

life, a, a new life, a new life, a recalance. Or a decansion. To be a decansar, to, so, really, is, it's, it's a sensation of, or so, a libelio. No, it's a day that I fallacy. So, it's impressive. Oh, yeah, yeah, that

you, yeah, that's the question, we're going to, let's ask you? You're not, I mean, you're not even though, I mean, you're a person that you're? Yeah, so. I'm me negate, not in the that I don't know he said, but my life, I don't know why, because

my way, because my way of laboral, no is, no, is enfocated to the paranormal, no? So, in production we did other things, nothing to

be, but always me has led to the paranormal or esoteric. My best is, this Babalao, Sastredote

Bavalao, and we, we cross-as-in- a way, and I'm cruzs with people esotericas, like, for

example, with Chucho, we We've known in a time also for the same. And one

is going going to people that's the same energy or the same stonia of the

same tonia of so in this way and from so I think it's all past the time now

I know more and now I'm just it's actually it exists but but now now now

now I'm now I'm now I'm no I'm now I'm no morebito of a movie

that me spank but But now, now, I see with much, much respect after the things

learned and lived in this community about this thing about this thing paranormal and mystic

and of occultism, no? Yeah. Oh, you have had been a

personal, you, that you say, A caron, is that this, I don't

do I'm not so much time, no me didn't know to do doorme, it was

something for me. I've had been various, if I've had been various,

uh, one more simple, but much, without an explanation. For that

is that I went to this way, because before an producer known of

the family said that me of my family we had things. We're invited to

a program of a court paranormal and then then says to who we invite

to know that he has given to and then I'm and then I'm

to start to start in the middle of the paranormal. Because they were that I

had passed things and me have passed various things before these documentaries in these documentaries

and then we've passed things some more more like and even those good and

very strange that one one one he adjudica to the good

no no so not was a man a demon a mortal but it

was a an angel or something so Yeah, definitely. Yes, if I've passed over.

Okay. A little experience that would like to share to say, that you say this

net is very heavy. Well, Hevis, this is the I can't do this the person I think me

go to die because you just let me and let me get me to get me to get us. I have

a partner is a ex and with her and with her always always me happened things.

No, I chaco to her but she me I talked about that you see that in the

people here in Mexico is very common that you say that a person maldice the generations

after the whole the family and yeah me was always with her and they

always when she was in my house your house and you remember

you remember you you know you're you know when you putes the disc

so so so so so so we we put we were we put the

Well, we'd we're going to the sillions and to be us, we're

I remember that my my sillion was, I'm was a was in a

thing that and I had put a perciana then there was a

little for the persian and we we we're we're we're

we're like that when you when you have when you sometimes you're

you're you're so it's you don't we're I'm I'm

I'm When it's on the DVD, yeah, passing the night, it's pretty to start the

and it's when it's when it's when she went to see to be to look at the way

to go to the light, and I'm a, like a a sombra very fea, like a

horrible, that will get her, and then she and then she gets a and I go

what I'm what I'm what I'm saying, you say, I'm a voice here, that me said, and

I felt that they were in the sillon. When I wrote to seeion, from those sillions that

when someone when someone's when someone's that they're in inflate to do it. Yeah. So, I

went to see it and the sillion was summed. So, then we've seen all that and it was

so that's so they're breathing and I've seen the sunned the sillion. We know much

fear. Posterionion and with she was something a little similar one day we

we're we're day we had the other day that's a a week, a office to the

officeina, we're going to we're in a place in a little more nearer the traffic, you see that in the

city, we we're going to get to be the TV in the hotel, we've got we've got we've got

we've got the TV and we we're not we're we're just we're and it's

I'm you know let's a pay no, no the first no the first never

to learn. This is, from, you're at least as to come and say, who's, who's,

who's, who's, who's, yeah, it's, and it's, a third time, and

the, and the papitas had much noise. Uh, for not to do you, and we're,

we said, what, what, yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're, and we're,

and we're a, one, a, one, a, and at the, the two of

the two of the morning in a avenue that you know you know, so we're so we're we're in

we're in we're doing the light, yeah's preended the TV, yeah's there's preending so here

there's a and the clarita like a figure, a sombrae and horrible we said we we're going we're going

we're in the madugated we're we're in the only that's me occurred is a father we're saying

and then I'm going to ask you what you're what you're what you're when you're doing

when you're supermating evident. Yes, but it was very gradual. So, it was very gradual

that was levandos a little to first, first the TV, until we've been a, so we've been,

the light, and we've been to pass a little, so, so the two. I'm, this is too

is a very, very heavy, like you what you say, well, I said, well, we're not we can't

be a hard to get to be a better, because it's so, so, so that's and thanks a

God, we're, we're saying, but, but, so you're just just you and you doorms, no?

You pass what was a minute, and to tell you know to know your anecdote, Sali, that's a lot of

a great abraso, a salute. She'll be the same, but you've the fortune to be with

someone more. She, she was standing solo. She said that he was to enter to the university

and she is of my city, of my people, as she had to get to

to go to the capital. So, then says that she had put to a I remember with various

Amigas for to get to a same point because if they're going to get in

a house of their family of her not I remember if were families

or friends where were all the friends were four or

five yeah the the problem is that she was

and all getting just there only there one

and this person when when you did your friends and

to not say the question there was a confusion

with features of her because the others were going to get all together and she got a day before. So,

I think he was to be able to get to be more with me more with me more. And said, no, only a person

that was only did and I gave and it's a man enormous, great, antigo,

we're not we're haka of Juarez the capital. Cases Casas Casas. Casonas.

Entraves to the second Pissue almost hotel, right, quarters,

quarters, quarters, quarters, From, from there, you know, even there's And then it's, I mean,

I said, Solomite you have said, said that family a perro in the part of the back of that every

every time they were in and they put in the food and yeah. So, well,

well, I'm going to get to all, it's a well, then she doesn't,

the entusions, the enthusiasm of the morning I'm going to the thing I'm the termite

in my university and, in other in other world, in other nothing,

none of nothing. None of so So, no, that says that's the hours or eight or nine

at the night he's put his audiphones and he's to be able to his robes and he says that's a

house had a bigger in the commoer on the plant-bacher with sillas shias with fissions

of the of the of the of the of the and the of the and listen

how they start to move ta ta ta that they're they're

they're I'm I'm and literally there there there

Abajo Yeah, Yeah, so So, So, he's As soon Where's

there's there's there's a Yeah, Suspeach about There's Oh, no,

the Perro chadito The Puerta and And then Arrastering the maces

Arrestraising And all And he says, there is that there's a person that's access to the

house and the person He gave a surprise because he says, how? You're

You're You're You're You're You're my if I came a day I was confused

I said I don't I don't I'm not I'm going to because when you're going to be

to start with someone else no pass things but how how how can

things so from so that's so what is that the house

so there in the house because we've we've for

years we we're we're we we're we're we're

we're we're we're we're we're just we're house produces

noises. So, I said, only they said there's a bit of a bit of a little bit of

yeah, exactly. And she like, how? So, how? Yeah,

the house produces noise. But why? Look, you simply as a

recommendation in the room where you are, encirrater. No not

not say, for more that you listen things, no salgas. In

that moment she all the panorama he change. I go all the

idea with that she was in that's a cab man. Yeah, yeah,

and says is that I'm and I'm to feel the fear, but that

I'm that's a time. He says, then then it's a rata and the

ruses not are about down. They're they're by the stairs,

for the passios and so, and so to know, and so

for not to the time, there's to make, to make, and she's with her father, with

her friends or she, she wanted the mind occupied. The mind occupied. And a

so, I mean, I was not going to be able to all the whole lot. The people not even about

to be able to the people with the people with the people who were talking about so in the family,

well, and she said my only consul was to somar the to make the and be

the per is that the person too. Tranquired. Yeah, I'm accustomed to

no. I'm used so I'm I did a video call with my friends and me they're saying Dandom me options Well,

we're not We're not Like, look, like at those kilometers is at the house of another friend

but you're in a barrio What you do you say? No, no, how you're going to

you're going to get a taxi and more to get to get to. So there there's a family and

his family and his dovermend. She gets a little she gets a man and

and says I'm only the door didn't not he said I'm

not they're never too to Acercar me to Because I was sure that in the

moment that I wasomar my my rostro to the I'm sure

here there's what I'm what I'm my music and to get the music

and say but this thing so like he did I did to make

to make to make the the room was out out

to the inside of the room and is where she is that this is that this

this is that this is what There you do you do you do you do you remember

of all the god of all so the God all right so the

so all so so so so so for not so she went to be

she went to be doing at the six of six of yeah it

yeah man yeah amening but but all the

hours of madruada tensa tensa because really there

really there was it's like how like as

what you do you? There are a few times that no there's a minute I think you know a record one and it's

very rapid we've been a colony called a well it's a delegation a palapa a

a friend has a abandoned there and they were like and they want to

we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're

we're we're some and I had the door of the door of the

car the four five of the His house was a house very great of

those cases that recorre the quadra no, all the same and the second house was a little bit

his abelita of him and he said about a serviceita relax because my abelda live in front

and right and now we're going to get to eat and so the the the car

of the switch that's always always you always that they're in the entrance so I

go and I go and I'll go and a senior parada but a normal

a senior part so very enojada. And so, I go, and I go, hey. And Camino and I go to my friend, he said, your abelita, and he's enoho that we're taking the services.

Camino, no see, what you like, to here, five, six passes, and yeah, so I see, my abelita, if, so, it's got, and there's nobody. And, well, to, where's the street is very, I mean, so, I think

to have, let me, let me go, is that she'd be very enogated, and I'm with the service in the man. So, then I was like, so, I mean, so. And I said, how were? She said, no, my ballita. And yeah, it's my ballita. And yeah, sale, I said,

I said, who's the woman, so, yeah, yeah, is the senior of the house to the al-lado. Yeah, well, so, what curious is that she was that's a woman, but I was, but I was but I was like, but I was

so, I saw, I, so, no, so, no, so I, so, no, but I was, but because me did a fear that no, I said, oh, oh, I mean, right I'm, right, I'm going

for, for, my friend, no? So, I mean, right I'm a minute, I'm my friend. But if I

said, you say, I'm inho and I'm and I'm in it's a way, because we're going to, the

badder was a great, we said, no, no, no there's a little a little

and then's a little, and yeah, and that's more more difficult, but also to your friend,

that they're moving things, I'm doing I'm doing, to conclude, to conclude with this of experiences,

I'd talk about the pardon and the Felicid in the reclusory Feminile here in the city of Mexico Me. Me passable, who me contracted, me

went to the tureres, where I gave the plaitics, and in one day in the passio, me a chaba, because he distracts and he goes, me there, and it's a lady

about a 70 years, with a Bible in the man, and I said, ah, you're the that's the day of the pardon, so I always have been to enter, but

no me they're because I'm in the psychiatric, because this reclusio femenil is the He's the only that has a psychiatric and this is here in the city of Mexico

So I'm saying, I'm in the side of psychiatric, no, I said, but what you do you do? I'm saying, I do classes of catechism, of the Bible, me It's probably. But I was there in the psychiatric. She had the side of the psychiatric, but I was in the patio where no, I'd be able to be

start. Sure. No, I said, yeah You know, but well, it's, well, it's well, it's been, they've done to come to do, it's lucid, the she was, very amable, but I I mean, I did a

fear, but a pavor. I mean, not of that you going to robes,

but when when they're going to a problem like a thing, a favor, like a

little, I know, a story, and I said the person, the, the girl

and I'm going to get to the and I said, you know, you know,

I'm not, me, I said, I'm, I'm, you know, where you Googlea,

the Yena to Kereetara. The Jena the Ketterter. And I still I don't like Claudia Michangos.

And she ried, but I don't know that was the same. You're not talking about you with her. Very casual,

but I made much fear. But I know I don't know that they called the end of Krettero. And then she

said, you know, I'm going to like, look, like the case of my Haldia

Mijangos, no, I think that was a chab that she was he got to, it was to I'm from,

he said, so I'm just like Google it and then I said, but I'm, but I'm, but I don't

know, very amable with me. I brought a book Alta but when I know how fast you were going

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I was I imagine I was a year I mean one or two that was I was I went to

I was to where she went to And in the passio so I'm like, I'm going to

do you, it's that I'm trying to get to get to but I'm because the of the psychiatric we can't

get to be much fear and I know I'm know much I'm not even about a woman psychopatal a million

if you let me let's tell the anecdote who is that this woman this is this so past

almost more of 40 years in Krettero there are many versions I'm going to tell the

that's she you know you see another yeah you're It was a woman Very wapa

Hermosa Yeah, model So, so even Garned a certain in Sinaloa, me parece So,

So, then I'm His husband and his three, I think are two children, barones

Or were two And two And a Yeah, Two A little A boy,

Yeah, were six, nine and 11 years. She, she, a family that,

well, had problems and there, economic, economical, no, so,

so, really a family exemplar, no? I mean, a job of a mom, well,

was, entregated to the church, it was very Catholic. So, for that's

me gave the attention, it was really and then would be there would there's a

there. What I have read and investigate when, because I want to

me to go to be going to be to be she, is that she is that she never

to the parroquia or she gave catesism. That is the story.

The case is that she was that And I think, a new a man, so,

so he's So, so I'm so, I think, he said, no I'm

I'm gonna correspond to your love because you have his husband.

So, Claudia, in the morada, well, basically segated for

her infirmate that we didn't know, so, he, so,

he did he did he simply broke his relation, she did and then

he went again again, we're We're going to be able to be in serious. Well, it's that the thing is when he says, you know, you're going to divorce. You know, no, no, there's form.

So, one night, it's a day, it's said that Claudia was a little altering emotionally, and he spoke to a friend, and he started to say to her friend that she sentia with much anxiety,

I don't see if in that call, I don't know, I'm going to correct, if in that time, he was going to say that she'd say that I was going to passing with that

she She the She said Mika Duhmette Manner tomorrow

I'm to visit to your house that night in Ketero that

that woman did a little of a movie of horror Claudia back

the kitchen of his house take a Cucillo

of the kitchen and and he starts the carniceria

yeah starting with the most little of his children

in his his and the wife she's she can't get a

while the she says the mom don't do you mom detent she he'll

and say Claudia the first he they she

and she then she she and she she and

she was with the third the the major the

the which took much her in her her body but even

she she'd I'm all the piece of above for all the

floor and she after she until she after that she

got to with the three. The story says that well

she she she she she she and she disvibed

she and she gets her her day the next time

she saw the scene view the the scene yeah

rojo for all sides and Claudia shockedia no didn't know

no he said what you did you do you my kids my kids are you

are doing yeah so you see that man no yeah yeah it's terror

it's terror it's terror terror that that woman like you was was encarcelated

and he did 30 years yeah of because they detected

precisely that suffer of eschisoprenia. And, of actually, that's reclusory I think that before to be

a preclusory was a pure psychiatric. Then, this is not I'm sure, it's become in psychiatric

and reclusory but of a little more was a psychiatrist then they didn't how to just to usegars because it

was very very hard and they met in just a thing for schizophrenia. The detail

of that my, and you I'm I'm going to I'm a month. There we're going to

an exploration commercial. We went to some departments abandoned. It was yesterday. It was in Kretel.

I said where they're there's all this and so. No manches carnal. A corretisa us gave

of that's the place. Yes, yes. Yeah. So, the is the that's the other cameras

yeah no want it. Of course Nazareth that also is that yeah every

pentagramas things satanx so. Well, go to be the channel of explorations

extra-normal. The case is that in the Carataro we've seen visit the house Michangos. No. No, no.

The people were not, no. Even the other other side, I don't know, I think it's a lot of, but you're very

very high yeah. Because many people were, imagine the energy of a new. No.

It's enormous. And it's the vibra. I know, I don't see. I'm, I'm going to enter?

No, no. No, no. No, no. No, I'm not, but if, it's, but I,

I went to know, because I mean, no me shockio, but at the way I said, but at

who I'm I've got to know. A story that's that I'm a lot because it's

a very famous for mal and she's and the thing. Cabe mention that in that

that way I'm there's that I'm there's, I think, many people people,

who've been to have their houses to rentals because because much people went to

band to bruchos. For that the energy of a is powerful. Imagine you the energy of three. And they're going to vote to

jobs of Brugheria. I remember that I saw a chapter where the master, Alberto, the arco, that's made a furtaprazo, entered and you want to you. You want to you. You're trying. You know,

you're doing to cry and you're and you're saying, because I want to you know, yeah, they're more of 40 years and the

energy still still encapsulated. And is that I, I do, I see, how limped that's,

that has that has been that's a lot more not are the people, but the

energy that that's that's a thing, all, at the one of the if you enter

you're, if you enteras you're recreating and it's that's what they did those

investigators because this liquid rogo that's still, see the of the

day of the way and the in the walls in the cameras or

so it was something was something was something was a I don't I don't want to

make much in the thing because she at the final of course was just

and she and romperia a little like to go to I'm to go to talk about

they're being they're paying their kind of she was she was

she was she was going and I think she she's she let her she let

she she's like she's she's like she she's going to go to

other psychiatric or has to have to a responsible a

family is And the sobriena is he's responsible with what love?

Oh, and with what that you could be your tia could be your prime but I'm

to know what he's to know to have to have to have to have to what kind of

the sovereign or the family that's that's a that but it's a risk

no and I when I know I don't know I was I was

too I'm I'm very I'm so I'm so I so I'm so I'm so

because and the chava that's So, she's, she'll She said, you know, she's, but she said, like, sarcastic? No, no, no, like, like, like, no, like, in an, in a theme,

you know, he said, you know, I said, with who, you know, said, with who, you know, said, with who, you know, more than that's, like, like, more. Exactly, so, normal, but like me to say, with who, that was a person who, that's there, no? And I, yeah.

And I, yeah, was what I was told. But, but all was a quadro, because even sub-bibble in the man, and I do classes, no I remember if he'd have platties of the bivia or of the catechism

So that's She's like she When she was a When she was When she was When she was Dada catecism Yeah

So it's Where where Where does And where And it's And it's And it's And it's

And it's There's a part things, for how he did, how he gotro the arm all, she was in a time of possession.

Possession, yeah. The science it's a matter like a exact, but I know with the signos of how

he did the form, how he gotro all, this is a thing of possession. And there is a, sure, because

about we talk about a woman that's saying the word of the word of yes.

So, that's a thing. It's a thing very interesting. But I want to pass to another theme, brother, because I know that has been involved in various investigations

in miracles, things paranormal, exorcisms. Placique me a little about your investigations in the ambit of exorcisms. Exorcisms. When we're going to grab this project and we're going to

things esoteric, rituales, in general, the way to us started exorcismos. It's a theme of exorcisms Catholic.

Because there are exorcisms that can do a gruho. A bruch but as well in the Catholicism for them

an exorcism only and only if it could be a a pastor a catholic Okay.

Because only they're sure that we're not we're trying a lot of a lot but they're

because we're not because we we're the preparation exacted of how to play

against these demons not because we have more power than a more than a more than a more than this demon, and we know how functioned this demon and we know in basis of our capacityation, how to fight against us, for medium of

God. Exorcism is expulsed. Expulsed. So, so, we're talking about to look at exorcists, and it's complicated-ismu. In fact of zero, it was a, it was a a way

very enriqueceder because it's not it's like van to be a

gloriarce one but we we've we've we're we're we're

Catholics with rangos with the church we're going to

get a interview here with one of us yeah yeah right

right well right right me says in this so so

us that's of the most more, more well, but dar with them not is so easy, you know, you know, now are you. Now, they're a little more abertos because also want to show that this exists and that is a game. But dar with them was there, just

in a zone of getting to a people where is a capilla special, Catholic for exorcisms, and we got, I, I'm, I came with, I, gave to sacerdote, terminated

a few years, but in the people we're rare, because these people are the people little people all the world

and see. And we're in that capilla constructed, especially for exorcism. Then they occupied for other things, no,

tailors, et cetera. Pregontando about the sacerdote, nobody was nothing, we're a rare, mey mystical,

the people. When he's the sacerdote, no, no, no, I don't want to know, I'm no, I don't want to be

not here no, here not he's a child, but you've done an exorcism I've made liberation that's a

that's a but no I don't want to talk about to me that I'm really a very hard

and you know maybe he said we went and it's how we're going to the exorcists

to one of one of them on a occasion getting to a first second man to

look to us we're saying here right is just here the is just here the

part to mention that not they're not in the church they're in other

other and we're we're doing these these liberations that they're they're they're not

necessarily that's posse but that is what you have us the influence demoniac exactly

that could be that you're gonna you're and they're they're doing they're doing they're

practically it's what they're in a oration with you but you're not you're a man

even even you're you're like that's And then when we We said an assistant

is a right doing just a liberation or an exorcism Gustan pass? No, no no because that's so if you don't they're not.

Yes, for security and for secrecy. And so but we're we're not on the door and we started

we're just like a child gritts normal and forthes like of someone of 15 years when a oldicent

when they open the door, grits of a young, when they open the door, out of the sacerdote and

out of a little. It was she. It was she at the first don't you do you know, it's good, they're

so, you know, you're going to get in the fear, no? It's been an exosism but, no, it's something

psychological, no I don't know, no, me do, no me do, but when we were to get to a little,

what age, more or six years? No, manches. And we've we've seen. No, this,

that's the movie, the audio. No, well, that's real. When

you're going to when you go to do you want to in focus, and you will be sure about

in a rato, what you want to be more impactant and all the elements. I with the person that

was the first with another other exorcista see, look, with this cross, is with the

I'm the is with the and he then she then she got super maria. With nauseous.

Devil. Very very. And a friend who is esoteric knows, well, it's like

an arm, is a cargated of all the energy. They're just they're dominated, but that they're

saying, look, look at this and he's good on the father, but, but you

know, you know, you know, you know, so you know, that's a symbol special,

et cetera. So, so, that's the way to do with the exorcists, with

tantos, it was, it was cancans we'd also things things raras

and start to get to the quarters where do the exorcism

that in an occasion us we've got to the colchoneta they

they're not the person if it's that they they're they're they're

lesioning another occasion with another exorcist us we took

to interview to to even to even even those who are

those who are the people who are the great great fertes fertes

and they they're to get to the person, but

are the team of the sacerdote Catholic. So it's something, it's something that

you can't you imagine that this this sacerdote had a doctor in their of his

equipment, that are the are the same. Signs vitales in case of that the

person don't want to move and one of the signos that he was that

most it's that when the person is that possea has much activity

physical, no, you know so be he's he gets physically when

he made the pulse and us he said that the pulse was normal of a person

a person a quite to be a having a a little his pulse should be

a revolutioned not so so it result that it was a normal so it's

there's when you know that's a position that's a position and you

you're just not a so you so it impacta not to enter in all

this medium that one no know or that he he

lehano no Oh, you think that this could have affected or to have affected in a form

the start involved. I mean, is that's not it's like to play the investigator,

I mean, yeah is to be plan in the leagues major. Yes, I think

yeah. And we got a conclusion all the team, it was curious,

because all the team of production, of investigation, no see the other

staff, but the very involved that were very that we were,

in a production very great those involved were almost really the crew that's in the show you know

there's that's not a lot there's two producers investigation audio camera assistant camera

and parrall to count no no no not a not a and this

and this crew all those were going going to things and all right

of this and all we're this project not so so I think so I'm a

a sacerdote one day I said, no, I don't think that he's a pegged for a

thing of a demonio, but they're in the into the where there's all the time,

sofriments, we're we're in churches all the time. And in the church, and in the

church, but also it's a place, because the people go and the person is a sub-familiar,

that he can be a bad-stair, and there a lot of so you're all the day, then you're

to get to get to get that. So I think So I think That's what you Are you say Some of the people

Are you guys Some people who are Because for Algo Normally It's in the naturalness The human

The recourer To say A, Well, A figure Santa For things That's of

Yeah We're trying We're We're We're We're Sanar of Something

Yeah, we We're We're We're count that it's like a vasica where are hundreds of people to

know, because it's negativeity. Yeah, so, because get your problems there. Imagineate the concentration energy that gets to get

to have the people who say, and I've written and I've written in a pantheon than to be in a church.

Much of the people do you and the peace that you see, I imagine. I'm imagine that this

would be better an sacerdote how they do they do they're different. elements also because one

it's so so it's so you see that you see that you think you're in a middle of a

that you know there's but in the middle of the there's there's that they're all that

all those those those are those are those are of the Catholicism solemnes what that

not we don't let we give that importance of that so I don't see if for custom

for yeah we we've very in other cult, in other religion, we're going to say, oh, the campana, oh, for what I say, for the incensed You know, but they're all, so, all of those,

has to do, all this has been a significate and he's got to say the clover, man, because I, I think, for a year, and it was that, you know, it's that they're, you know, disculptuance, so, it's a, a container that's, it's a, yeah, and it's going to pass into every

rinko, or of the church, to the parochia, the cathedral, but it's like if were, literally purificing all. It's a ritual.

No, we know we because you know we've seen a ritual. We're really a second

we're doing where, but he he was he said a person of a restaurant very great

known of him he said me's going very bad I'm doing because I'm doing my restaurant

by to have to get it and the sacerdote was the he said he went

when they were when they're there but if there had been plied and he said and he said

all right he said he's just so purified he's an exorcism of the other here here here here

there's a right of that the place but the but the but the but the solito

so I don't know to the faith for what I heard of you I'm saying to say

more the he'll be not you don't me let's I'm not I don't even

personal like the SWAT of the the sacerdotes, like the group

special. The elite. Because they're they're in that there's there's two forms more less,

but I think they're two, the that they get to exorcists. One, uh,

for don and the other for faith. For faith. Much of many are exorcists and have had said

I don't say I'm impacted and no, so, so, But you those to hear you

and oh, I don't he does a fear and he's a lot of the, no. And is that

one of the person, me said, is that the people are exorcists are those are those

that have some character too too. They're very very, and is that really you need

to have authority to not you don't you don't you don't let's about with carinito

so you you have to reprend and you don't know they don't no there no it's

there no there no there's there you want to get you you're

You're going to go. And, you know, I don't want to talk to you to talk to with the sacerdote, but in base to our experience, they're saying, this is a book special. They're not doing the exorcism with a Bible. They have a book special, that is of exorcism. And they're in their ability, then they're going to, no, to their actions, etc. So, then just in that character, they're saying, I have to order. No, I don't

I don't, I don't, because if you dialogas with him, you'll, because you're going to you're going to you're going to you're so the

way in the way in the way they're there's we're going to we're at the house of this sacerdote

to talk to and we know I'm going to listen to the malignal to the demonio I'll hear I go passes

I go to and we're and we're you're like okay father and he doesn't do you know because if

me does fear to see your response If I'm scared is that I'm doing more power than my God

No, I'm very tranquil and says more I'm just a little I went to be a little bit of exorcism me, I'm

doing a lot to be like to see. Precisely I mean, one person that's a person who lives

in car and a movie a movie, I mean, I mean, I say, I mean,

I mean, supera fiction. Yeah, and precisely I, I have a question for you.

Yes. You've seen exorcismos has been so far to people in the aspect of

the brugheria, the satanism and the other religious, catholic Christian. This

question is a doubt that I'm an doubt that is equal to an exorcism to make a exorcism

to make a a bruch? Because you justifico my question. I always I've

said, the mal is combat with the well. Because if not

the reign not will be to be the word of God. So,

so what is a sacerote is you that you go

but when a broo he's with the devil and he he's

he's to get to get a little a good question that's if

questions similar we've done with my man my friend okay

for example he from he is a type

santeria no babalau for them they they're we

we're we we're we we're there's there exists the

spirit that can be of the depression of this that's we're

we're a so that's a kind of a kind of a person who you're

a little a vaccine. A vizue that can that can be effective because he knows

with who is a but but an example if he's working with the

with the diablo yeah I don't I don't that someone that someone

that can't expulsar to be It's an auto ball. Sure. I mean, it's that literally, the Bible it says.

In the sense strict, no, I don't know. No, because, you know, I mean, to say, well, I know what I'm know, I'm expulsed.

But at the final is he's the side of him. But, but entering in this thing, for those Catholics,

for so I started with that premise, only they can't expulsar a demonio. Because they

have the part, they're, they're with God, That is the contra, we're saying only us,

for example, the Christians, we're going to go to go to do the temples Christianers. Oh, I've many in the

churches. And they call them liberation. Liberation, yes. And they're they're all the

church, and they're all. They're a name, but in based to that someone of the temple

can have kind of that grace divina and expulsar to a, a, a,

a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a process much more

I don't see if better or that's a criteria but the Catholic pass on processes of not going to

be a thing psychological first checkate the physical so what's what you what happened with the

thing that was what was the barrier that always there's a medical that's

a person for not to not care in the negligence no and before we we're

we're not we're not we're just we're we're saying first we we're not we're

a group that analyza first the case and they're in basis if it's a thing psychological, a topic, a psychiatric, or whatever thing, like what had Claudia,

quit all that all that's, you know, yeah, that were an sacerdotte of a, well, of an state

that we had had peritos. Okay. And I think that every sacerdot has your equipment and

yeah that eliminate the part scientific now if enter the The sacerdote, or the process is a little more

less less to get to get a exorcist to get in oh, my family me be bad,

the sacerote at a more then then they're not, at then they're that they're saying,

ah, this I'm to have to get to immediately because yeah you know with all

the signos of a possession, but it's more difficult and at a more in a

temple Christian if the person he says and then it's like it's

maybe it's more or no no to be took to stay in various of those brothers.

Yes, a me took to start in various in congregations Christianas. And is

that I mean, the chido, that I know what I know that's that all the church they're

a tonne of the demon. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we're

because we're because we're that in the alabanza, in the music, of the adoration,

the demons not tolerer, no tolerer, no tolerer, no tolerer, they're the So, so in alaances

is when the people new that came out of normal They were all right They're all right And they'd start Yeah, And then first To say,

Yeah, and there's Where the pastor Or the other Or the other men Were, Nine-Nios, Adios, Adios,

And now, Cilessia, Tum, and all, and reprenner and taka, and be, and let,

you don't lastimes and salte And the person to terminate, ah, it's agotatism and had I had mutilated,

and I've done to see them much too, no man, so, and for me that's a super-sumently

effective because it's in-corto. Exactly. It's in- what I said, I don't know, I mean, I know,

I know, I know, a little that she was, I was the only person that I've

known, posse, because that's nobody to tell, no, I was a person,

and she me platico, I, I, and I, I did, me made various

liberations Christianos no me did exorcisms catholic and so during years

but it was a child she was a yeah she'd go to put her his wife and it was

maybe dark and like it was like all the all of all all of all all then she

then she didn't know when they're to happen to imagineate so that so that's yeah

yeah in tumb you're yeah you're in all you all you're all you're doing

here here I'm here I'm And it's one of the forms in that, the demonio not doesn't enter, no. So, the demonio no enters and no

you know it's not so much because I've seen a movie of terror for the most for the Catholic or what we're those exorcists

is, it's more than that you is because you are trying to you're doing a you're saying, then he says he's saying,

well, so that's for that's the exorcism they call the act of the act of love more

more pure of because a past of you you're not with you infiel, he was infiel, he said

you say you say the demonio, here's the demonio has to say, you know, why do you know, why he said, why you know,

and you're and you're and the injustice is for him. But there's where he's where it's where it's where,

well, yeah, after here. You're going. You're going to, no, no, no, not said one of, why they're

that's rewere, that's, that's because it's like a berinch. It's a perrinche, it's a man, it's a

thing, it's a sure, it's much power, for us, so I just just, more of

talking with them and see their and see your the do you do this

it's definitely and the mysticism that has a exorcist to look you're

going to you're going to be how they they're it's just it impone so the

the part of the processo how how it's just inviting imitando

so imitando so that that part precisely that same that same

form of that you did I get to the same conclusion, but you did it in the

words correct, you still still the exorcism is the act of love more pure that can't have a person. Yeah, because

you're not going to me's... We're going to... Let's put it in, let's a example classical. Yes.

Spos. No? The, the spouse, or the spouse of the two is infiel to his marido?

Yes. We're going to put it's the man. Let's put it that's the man. Yes, he's

to let's get to bruncast. The man. The man is infieled to her husband, she's going to get with his

husband, with her, with her new his new a pair of, but his his new a parreja,

well, let's, let's, let's he's, he'll try a lot. So,

the first person, no, go to go. What, what? What, what?

You're like, no, because, well, you, you're, you're,

you're, you're, so you're, so you're, that's, but what, so you that's,

but what, so you that's that person for you and you say that's the act most pure of love

is the act most pure of of love based on just I think that God for the most

of the Catholic Christian Jesus or Jehovah so rege in a

general because I not I am an expert of Bible but

but they're in two things love and and there

there is where there's where in an exorcism in the two

versions of the most that pregon in all his life

terranal and in the story of love and pardon, no? And pardoner, it's never, right? Exactly. No? Pyrdo my ego for don't my confidence, of new. And then there's where it's a part of love, yeah, in paren't, in

whatever. So, the majority of the people that I knew in this theme of exorcisms, both of the stories that we're told them the exorcists, as well, of this chick, they're going to give to God. Okay. Because they're in their force. In

In some moment, there are exorcisms that during years. The people then would think that, ah, no. No, some various sessions then. We know, we know, we know,

the child, he was, he was, he was a man, really, not could be not come in not, when I was so,

that was so, he said, and I was, imagine it. Oh, so, so, if no, so, I, so,

and I, and, and, I, and, he'd, I think, exorcism, of sorcery,

sessions, us, we, we said, before to terminate the documental us

said, he is to not to start a lot of what he he was

this he was the new, the forms as far as the common

of the we talk about to be a more to the exurc the

exurcist are two two forms one that you you do you

offer or that they they to offer to this when when

when recient chikillo he he offered to the

demonio in a ritual, it's he's the control and when the papas

saw this possession, they said we need we need to do you. Papas pendejo and that

was a common it was a common that they were they're people who they're they're

there's a person that they were a group of people of people of 18 years more less

that they were doing they're going to offer to a little a girl a girl

was a list to to go to this world for that prepare for that

ritual. She like she repented of this and he said me they're

to make to make a do you want to get a my life and I have

I'm I'm I'm and the sacerdote with a logic

not was to make a exorcism he he called to the police and

they were to then he started to try to but

imagine the, of this, that she was like, yeah, you know, and at the final he said, no,

no, perey, me, better, no, he went to that gottita of a divina of a bit. Of course.

Oh, yeah, man, that's a man, man, that's incredible to talk

with a person that has lived this phenomenon so much, no, manches, I mean,

you know, manches, I mean, you know, so, no, and that, the fact,

that's that the fact, that's, for me the impact to start in Tentos

Yes. To be to conclude we've been to we've been We've done in exorcism

we're a exorcism Boudoo Boudoo Boudou Aitiano no Oh, so the where comes, no

here in Mexico very really temples satanical places of Santa Morte Catholics

Christians and all this and all all to go to the faith and the fact and the

really is very so it's of the of a movie it's a it's something indescriptive

when that that's a sensation no there's no way to describe it to describe it and I'm

asked a how I'm describe that's how I'm something no, it's very difficult no, it's

very difficult. No, no thanks for the fact of you know, thank you thanks for thank you

thank you those experiences. Thanks, thanks. No, record your media social where you can't be in your job rass

there's like there's we're doing with Chucho there's metiches not in the salvos to

Katrin Katrin that we need to us to us connect to us connect to us in a thing

paranormal or the topic or thing esoteric spiritual and there and we know what

we know we and we know we thank thank you thank all those

that you know to get to the final you know that you know

I'm I'm those people because we're also that they

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