EXTRA ANORMAL - 145 | Pacté a una mujer, Tuvo relaciones con un demonio | Anécdotas de Brujería Negra Ft Witch Papuz

Episode Date: January 3, 2024

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I was a clienta to my house for that I'm a little biter the tarot. He was a girl, a girl of her, and she was 18 years. And every

that I read to the cards, I said, you're going to get a young. Oh, oh, you are you,

you're going to you're going to get a person that and he got, and me says, how you know, he's my nobio. He'll be

to go, like at the six months. He's a lot but I did it but I'm

he said for you know he's he's he's he's these are those cards are

horrible or so cards devastators cartes and cards dangerous so no

not a thing spantosa and me said my sobrino preendell to the

notis to come to this she a nine puillard a horcata I'm

I'm I'm I said that that that was going to be going to this this

woman me paid to sender the woman has his process

has his rules his consequences like all the

she was and at in the tomb and I'm

I'm I'm with my ritual all all my things

it is it present like a figure demoniac

but but see were those cures grand and it was black was all the

sombra so it was the braza with the garras negas or so impressive

is it's very impactant the really she a she

says he said that he took relations with in that lapse

she that she she she that she she possibly maybe

had had Hello Hello, Welcome to a podcast extra anormal. My name is Pacuaries

and I'm very happy to be now the event here with all of you. We're here in the city of Guadalajara, Calisco, and in this occasion,

we're an invitation, a very special. Today is with us with us. How is that? Well, thank you. Okay, okay.

Yes, I like to me talk to you. Correct. Well, much thanks for the invitation, and,

so good, to know them, and that know them also part of my work, of my experiences,

that we're going to to profundize in things of the science occultas and it's very interesting

the program for that not you don't know before to start I'd like your

social for the people who want to know your work how you can find in the

social? In in the social, well my name is Miranda Papus

many people know many maybe others not in reds I'm

like which Papus TikTok Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram. So, me can't find. If you're going to start appearing,

then, there's been. Perfect. Let's start with this chapter that's really, I think it's very interesting. In this moment,

I'd like I'd want to ask you. We'll omitial a little the question that I always to give to the people.

We're going to try for in what moment it's to enter to enter in artes oscures? In the

secondary. So, I mean really not I want to dedicate to this but it was

a profession and vocation and vocation also the best the first friend of the

secondaria I always was like solitary I've been like solitary and I see many

people but because I'm much more to be better to be

being so far so so then the secondaria was my

only I said, well, I invite to come to the house for that you know, my mom, my brother, oh, well, okay, we're going, we're going to get us to your house. Me said that her mom was dedicated to learn the barrage Spanish and the coffee turco.

So, obviously, I was a little bit, I was justed, and me saqueed to end. And the lady, there was an occasion that said, hey, you know what, I'm going like you have the don't

to help to help to help let me see your man, let me teach me

and I know that I'm surprised and I said what what's what's

what I even I saw I was somebara I was like things strange

that other people could not could perceive with such how I

did I so it so then So, consequent to that, I no, I don't regress, because I'm afraid, and I said, no, what's, what's happening?

You told us to your papas? No, no, they said, nothing. No, imagine it. Me, they're going, and more at that age. Sure. So, like, at those three, four months, I'm going to

go to the house of the and then, well, in an occasion, me leoenue the coffee, the barraja. And I said, well, let me teach you, you can take courses, and little to a poco, me

went into the knowledge of the sciences occultas, all the obscure. I started with the Santa Mort when I was in secondary, I

started to do the chisos black, red, black, but the Santa Morte was with the

that I commenced. Okay. Okay, like what type of a work a negro was of the first

that you started to do? Of the Negro was enamoramient and so

and it did it because I, at the first I have to say it to say,

I was was septica or like no creed much. A past that he was

to do yeah? Yeah, in I was that I was I

said, well how I would dedicate to this if I don't I think

so I'm like a sceptic but at see I'm being that I'm could convince

that if existed that was energy and also that exists obviously the good and the

bad I know there many people eceptics that are to say and you going to

you're going to go to you're going to you go back the fact

they comment what they're for this is the program for

that express their opinions like, without without without, and the

really I don't have to get to get to but it's a hobby

to a profession. Okay. So when I'm I'm an periodico that

before not there didn't social the first in contact me

was the dog of Big Brother Edward that had his program of radio

for children serues and Tols me He made various interviews about the

theme. I think he's not the program or he's other things not so, but with

him I'm then he wasco the Polo of Paranormal, the squadron paranormal, we went to

the palace of the Bacas and there did it did you see that it's one of

the places that me have recommended to go explore, what is what there

what is what is what is what is what is what is what Well, for example, I realized an invocation that was a chisio of a more

with a photographia of the person. But in when we enter us, for example, a me has grabbed in the lapierna, the brazos, in the bayon me have beenvented. Incluso, I have photographs in my red and I can observe, perceive as presences in three sombras. It was of my experiences

more ferventers and more interesting. So, of actually, when we were to up to the sotea to make more rituals because there were more people, the duke or the guy that was

in that moment us said that we had to not we could enter because there is where there is where exactly

invocaban the devil because it's a recinto a quite from here of Guadalajara to Halisco

and they were concentra sects satanical was a hotel of many presidents So they realized their rites, all what you want,

of sciences occultas. In this place, in the Palacio of Las Bacas. In the Palace of the Bacas. So, I have understood various negotiations and no less has functioned or not during a time. Recently,

already, they're exponing works, works of theater. I think there's a house productora that's called Cinema, something,

there various works in the Palacio but that time that we we were very very strong the experience

he was a invocation what happened there was a little a manifestation that all they could

be? Yes, there in that occasion when I started in voice in voice

out of the chisio of Marr so he began a wind

and and it started to get the temperature and I was

sentia frio the actually we just we had to have to

before. But if they're many of the manifestations, because there are presences, demoniacas very fortes, that yeah live there. So, that you're not going to go to that recinto, never. For more that they do, for more that

those corran, or that do you do that, it's a lot of that's a lot, it's very difficult, because that's form part of them. In some moment, doing this type of invocations demoniacas, you have spantable when you're going to

What is this? This is not as how I thought or is more grand than what I imagine? Sure that is.

Simply the experience that I lived in the Pantheon of Belin when no existed

the barda that separate the station of the cemetery, we could we could we're

so we did we did we an invocation with the book of the Necronomikon

and like a middle of the ritual Valle, of the invocation, we've seen, a lo-lejo, a man,

parado, but of spaldas, but not were the feet, it was like, levitable. So, not they'd

not be able to perceive the calsado. So, then what was, I was, that I

surprised me really, also the people who me accompanied and, and we were to

see us to be to see for where had entered that person. Okay.

Because we don't perceive us, nor we even we for any other that was, or for the entry of the central of the cemetery. Yes.

So, when we were, we know that's we made to the mausoleo, but now it's out on the other

side. Okay. So, there was when it was very impactant to be that, because

we didn't even we could see the car, because all the time was to be the silhoueta of the

back of the so. So, as we saw, but you know we've seen,

we're to the conclusion, then we're the Cattrin or in the

Diablo. It was a fact, in first place for the type of

invocation, for the book that we know we for the time. And in

third place, for the hour that were at the two and three

of the time. There I have a question, to be if you can't

help to understand a lot. I've heard of many people that's

that's even I'm talking about many times that's all the days. So it's

part of their day but all but people say invocamos the

devil so my doubt is the the devil is a person I think

I'm understood that not omnipresent and not to be

in many places at the They want to evocard? Is it demon, or is the devil? The devil, Lucifer?

Well, it can be of the two forms. Can't get his ministers, because there are hierarchies in the infirno, as in all parts, or can get him. If he gets to him, it's a different way than the ministers. Okay.

So, the person that is doing the rito, in this case, should be of distinguish if are ministers or is the devil that there is an invocation

that I realized a little in the cemetery of Mesquitan that was especially for the devil

because it's an invocation that's a satanica that came in the book of Dr. Papus that was

another other medical broho occultista that that then we can we can

we we can't but in that occasion if And there were various ministers, but also came to the devil.

How is? You have you seen? Well, that time, not was it perceived well because not we used to presentia to your presence, valgam, the redundancy, because they were sound,

so it's manifesto in sound, manifestations of wind, very strong, I was going to down the temperature all of very perturvador very sombril

a free very intense the air was always more strong so it was a signal that was that

was there if you can see that invocation then there's in my channel if not

you don't you can you can you can do you can't but I in suenions

when I was in the secondaria that I started to give this I was

and was a woman of a trage black, of corbata, trage sastre, very wapa, of a cabo and red, and a me

in the swenio me gave the man. I said, I'm going to do all, but you're to come to

me and to give your alma for that I do all. Okay. So, in that

I was let let's be the man because I wanted to and he I'll I'll

get to get the man for that but in it's there's

pretty much fire around of her and she and he

and a way a way demoniac and very tenebrosa very macabra

so there the face to form and you see the devil that was

then then there so I could percibi but in what he was

he was there was present I'm I was still with temperature and

so very very excited very impacted because I saw in the dream. And in some moment

you know that's yeah, so how was, and I made this this question,

this process in the decision to say, I'm going to go to and I don't

feel like because many people can't feel like fear. Sure, because

you're under a presence and because and because obviously in Mexico, for example, the religion

Catholic is the that predomino in all all the lives. And from very little, they're like the idea of that God is the devil. You're just with one, not you can't say with another. So how was that? What did you? I'm going to say, I don't have a lot. Well, no is that no is that no longer, but if you have to

have certain precautions. Because if you're going to dedicate to this, you know is that constantly, there are to do clean, purifications,

canalize your energy for the work that me can't my my clients or the services

that I offer. How can be a magic black, red, then the

black, the black are very negative, and very very fertes. Okay. So, so it is like

easy to decide me go to this side. Yeah. Because I know

a power supreme universal and clear that there's God and there's many people

that no create and that we will be criticate but as as I think

I think in what he wants and they need to respect all all

we all all of all there are there there are a lot of religions

of sects too Mormons Christian Jews, et cetera, et cetera. So, I think that should be

to respect your creency. We're going to enter a little in terrains a bit more more, more

those, because yeah in this part came, I think, the relato

a little more more fertes. Let me the magic negative. What has been one

of the work or the work more obscure that has realized? That in

this process that you you did you did, maybe you impacted

what happened to what happened or after you that you have left

marked. Well, I've many. Okay. One, no. Well,

two. We'll let us with two. Two, for that's more

interesting. Yes. Well, one, this, was of a person that I

knew, because another other, other another, I'm said,

you know, you know, this person And it's a bad is posseed he's

he's he's he's he's he's purifications and he's

he's undied in the drugs yeah no there's no

there's he has been all he has he's he's so he

he's so he he he's he he's well well

it's well we're we we're in a coffee, I

get, I see, I saw, be you a person and you know that I'm

that I'm that I'm in the mind. It's like when you're when you

know, you're you're not you're you're there, you're not your

soul, but there there's a there. I'm immediately I'm so I'm

so I so I saw the tarot, the barragea and all, he's

he He had various entities that had time seeing him, they had been abodered of his alma, very into him, very strong, very caon, the

very caon, the really. So, I'm going to be, we're doing the more that is the Magia Negr

for that all these entities can come out of going to be a type exorcism. Okay. So,

this I do do, in a pantheon here of Guadalajara me I'll get to

the tomb we're we're in the ritual and at the middle of the

that I started to say my rito they're they're to be at the

long of the tombs there in the cemetery many many

people but in black all all of all of

so another other companion that was with me me says,

Oye, that lot of people of where were from where they entered. I said,

is that are not people real. Are demons? Are demons? They're them?

They're coming because I'm, I'm doing a ritual of exorcism and I'm taking

all the malo or the entities to him, to this person. So, so,

not are people that are in this world. Yes. Well, it was, they were,

like, 20, 25 minutes approximately. Observant. Yes, they were doing, and they were

in black and they were so, so I, obviously, he was, he was done, and this person,

maried, or so, mal, mal, mal, man. Yeah. He said, well,

this is the first. You're There are two. Okay, they're three. It were three. It were three rituals. So, the person,

so, and I said, you know, you know, you're going to get to get to get these quarsos,

you're going to say these orations in your house and all what that's see. Okay. And you

see the next time. That moment was, so, so, yeah,

it was a bit more, or Like... More or less, because I was like a mareado. So, in the madrugada, me and he said that I'd hear voices, that they were talking,

that they said they'd say that they were, that matter to kill, that matter a family. So, yeah, things very fervent. So, then I said, no, you know, you know, you know,

you need, you know, before the date that we've been accorded. Okay. Well, then, so I'm

I don't know before. Yeah it was very bad, yeah it was a color of the

pale, more palid more demacred because also the man was addicted to the drugs.

Okay. So, the same demons, it's clear that they were orill

to the drugs, to, to things of the infamund to do do,

to do things that he now he was not was conscious of his person

and of his own managed by some entities, for various, like in the

case of the exorcism of Emily Rose. No. If you got to see the

film. Yes, the real Anelis Michel. Yes. That also was based

in events real, that also is a case that's a case. So,

then this person, we're doing the second ritual and yeah no,

he's no, expectate. Okay. Then me says, you,

me going to internar. My family yeah investigue and I'm to be interned and I don't we're going to see, I'm

to disappear my reds because I am very bad and I'm called the entities, you know

and I made the and I said that I'm going to get to the lot of the soteas

that I had the and I know the I'm he said well, try

all right to talk you by telephone I put to do

some invocations, I tried to that's calmer because the truth I had much fear of

that if he was going to make him in that moment when he was he was invoked

purification canalize his energy resar to the seven archangels all, even even

even a rosario he put to do you put to do the madrogada for that he could

be able to try and his mind in other things, different to what he wanted to do. Well,

he was the next time. Yeah, to internar it. He's all ready. He's all

done. Disapparets in the social. I know never knew. Like, all year,

me said, oh, you know, you know, I'm going to say, no, I'm going to

say, obviously. Yeah, it's very good. I'm, oh, that good, me does

much much most I'm going to try to contact him to talk about because in the rest

because in the rest of then then I'm another friend and me said oh yeah

you know you know but what happened if I mean me they're to say to me to say

me that had been from the center of rehabilitation that yeah was well

yeah but at month consumed his and And, al-parence, no, and they were in their department,

mortals. Sobidosis. Sobidosis. Jolle. To have been done well, or so, yeah, he's cured of his addiction.

Yeah. It was so bad. It was. It was a case in Guadalajara. Salio, in the news, in the periodical, a person a young,

with a life for delante, a good position economic. That's great, no? And, Precisely, this type of cases

are those that have made quite very virals at the long of many years, from the cases of the United, cases in Mexico, even even to even that even those who get to get in films,

like the devil no obligor to do, I mean, I've been tormented by entities malignas to damage to people. Sure, the assesides that also are posseed by entities,

despite, they're in this type of problems that the psychiatrist or the psychologist in that moment he that is a

tristorme of personality when in reality you have an entity but the psychiatrist

not not create because they're more in the science but

but you have demonstrated many that this type of situations have

much to be in the human so also in things

in the thing in time of decision is a

thing but that's one of the case that he

was one there's another. Okay. My Sobrino, for part

of the husband of my brother, I, he gave a clienta to my

house to that I'm a little a girl of the eyes and I was in that

then I was 18 years. And every that I read the cards, I was

to get a young. Oh, oh, and no me say that. But you're

You're with a person that you malta psychologically and he goes and me says how you know

is my novio here here is out here he's even also I can't

see that he has problems legal with the police and he problems

of drugs and will be in the carcel in how time no well

no, well not will pass two when this he said

he No, aha, the chick. Well, it's astustadissima. He'll go, like, at the six months. The same. He's got to the same. But I was going to him.

Yes. He said, because no, you'll do you, he's going to get to the murder. Here you see, your cards are horrible. So, cards devastators,

cartes, I mean, no, not, a thing, espantosa. No, no, if, yeah, I'm going to

leave. Okay. Yeah, he goes, regress to me, to come to me I'm sure

super well, I'm very I'm very I'm very I'm sure, I'm going to get to go and that's

going to be obligar to do do something that you do you do you know and I'm what you

think you're all what you're saying you know, I'm going to get to me to get to

my house and he want to want to we're a force yeah me he's

and he he's he's he's he's In fact, I've got with you with you

with me I'm in I'm going to you know I'm going to be able to attender because I'm going to get in problems

because this man is desquised, this man is a loco he has he has already

he's posseid no, for favor don't you don't you don't even you know you're going

it's that it's because me pay you don't even I don't I don't want I'm not sure, it's

some terms of security and you you're you're in And, yeah it's a little for that this

man to make a little, so that's going to I don't let's attender,

pass a year, and me say my my sobrino, prendle to the not this

this chick, a nine pundated and she a orcated. I said, I said that that

that was going to say, the man, and it was a little, it was in the

2018, 19, It was a recent. Super young, she was a super-hoven, hermosa, with a life for delante. I think you're still inbarasada. And was he? He was he.

I said, he's posseed, is a desquisiated, is a psychopat. The people, unfortunately, no entente. And, ah, is too hard. He, I think, already still in the carcels. Ah, okay, if you know, is, really. after a after a time

yes but obviously when when it's they're going to get to see it's

they're they're they're they're they're so the soul of this

she well I hope I'm that I'm because imagine you know

so all all what suffered torture abso or so

maltrat of those murders that's horrible that no so that's

loved to nobody young, hermosa, but tont, ingenue.

What situations are such are the that we get to topar? Yes. And precisely

in things of bourgeria always are very arrigado the of the

love. Of to create to have a person the force or to have the

love of your life, the force passing over many situations of

moralities. It's a The case, well, are many of the cases that also have gotten to me, but this is

a case that's a impactal. The really, and then in private you can't

pass the news of her to her to see it. Yeah, we could be here? Yeah,

because in Guadalajara was sonadissimo. Yeah, I imagine. I'm just I don't know Ikees

attend because I said, no, this, this is too, too, man,

so this will be to terminate very mal-idichael. Injolme, into this world of the occultism,

some case of a person that has come to you and you you've been of the obscure that

this person has to a job or an person? Sure. Various. Well,

I'm going to tell. Here not is here no. Here we go to

two, because we're going to see, result better. Yes. Another, that also

not was so known in Guadalajara, but because not I didn't want to I'm for security

more than a lot. I got a client to my house at the night to talk me to

say me that I had the demonio out of her and she effectively

but there there was the reason. She encargo a a marre but she

directly to do do it I said the consequences if you're going to be to be posseionate of you,

of your body, of your body, is that no me import, I'm desperate and I'm going to do what she? A bit,

but he's an amar, she? Or it did it? Uh-huh. So, with me

for? Uh-huh. For that I didger how it could do do it directly

with the demonio. Okay, because it could be to another entity? Sure.

But she did with the demonio. Pets to the consequences he did Okay

So he went The Pantone She was He was a Ritual He went to his house

Like at the three days I'm at my house at the three of the morning

It was bad The car Distorsionated The Mirate disorbitated posseida

And is that I'm he was Demonio and Gritando Imagine that hour

Salier the Ves before not got the patrol

He said, You know, I said that this I was going to pass You're going to Right, right what you're going to do you're going to a cathedral

to be able to because I don't do anything No, it's that you have to you have to help you. He said,

in these cases, you know, you have to go to the sacerdote Because it's very advanced Demasio

Yeah, not not just trailed the devil I'd I'd have Demiads Legions? Yes, maybe legioness,

sure. So, I'm what I came to get, that's a cathedral, but I know knew if it attended, if they were

someone at that hour that could attender. I don't know sope. And yeah, it's per die. Then I

tried to contact by telephone, buson and buson and buson. So I said, look, for something

there's a thing. So it's very important here, what is the morality or what is the ensignance that I want to say, well, that

that they're not even that they're not, or not they enter for one and for other they'll get, because then the consequences and the person no knows how to manage

this type of situations. And obligan to one to them to help to, even to that's a bit of now, now is about the advertency, no, there's

no, there. There's what same with this chica the young the young that's

a young, that need to get to get to that's that people I think there are people,

I think are people who are people that are people who are people who have some with that

necessity and desperation to say is that I'm because yeah are people

that really need help psychological attention medical of some

aspect because not is normal and, over all, expose your life, because you know, you're trying

with energies that you know you know exactly. Exactly. Apart, that not know you,

not you know, you know, you know, to the people, it does it very easy, to me,

tell me how I go the pacto. And no me important, that's me appear

and I do my alma and if I do I'm the my suzer, a bit,

let me see, desperated. Desperated? Yes. I do to who I'm a kid.

Almas I have to give to give to my cuneate my my

prim, the decid you tell me to do but is that

it's not that that's that so. So, not you can't

regan almas because they're because not they're they're

they don't exactly the people the people that

you say a No, prepare me other hamburgess. Wait, there are consequences. There are regals to continue,

there are hierarchies. I have two questions right that's this time, because yeah anteriorly we've talked

with some people that you're doing like, you do you do you? Sure, if you

know they're so. How are? Because I know a form, but it's very interesting

to know how it do you different pactos. But the most the

a pact of a person that comes to say I'm going to say I'm I'm going to money,

I want to this. Well, I do do directly in the cemetery.

Directly if the person is in other country that has done

the case that I do that I do from the from the

photographia the number complete of the person a first

of the my tools and my additements and the figure that represents the demon

so I pacted to the person from here from the cemetery and if the person

is a encounter here me I get to the cemetery and

there also I'm also the demonio at the time

to manifest of the presence Yeah, yeah, is present with us in the Panteon, of any way, the person, there does the petition. But also, there,

he says, and he prometre, the pay for his soul. Because, at a set of pact, you know that in a certain time, the demonio will get for you and you will get, you will get your own, because that is the pago

that you're going to offrendar to him. And, obviously, to be to be to make certain things

during the process of the process of the pact so are different pactos

those that they can do. There another that is in the

cruce of the Camino which is the pacto of

the cross of can that also that also

many people me have made and you have

done but also I have to something negative, or some consequence

of that they're not prepared for that situation or for that encounter with the demonio. Okay, you've talked to some experience of someone that has been out, that not

had been a minute now, it's that they're saying, it's that there's people that say, no, I'm, I, I'm like, I'm going to be

all the night, no, it's, no, and at the mere now, me they're saying, some, those children.

I mean, I mean, it's very respectable that they're going with the devil all the night, but

really with who you're talking? Exactly. So, you say, you're saying, but

what you invoked, you know, you know, that's he? Yeah. Sure. Much

people are to say, no, well, is the person, but what's the other entity? Exactly.

Because much people Saca the wheeha and no, oh, is that here's the devil, me he said that me will be to come up to bring the money, me will be to give the coffre.

A ver, wait, wait, you know it's so, you know, it's their rules, has its consequences, has its pagos. There's people

that of not has seen the devil of any to not even to make the most minimum invocation.

Why so that? I said a little another friend who in a Halloween he disguised of Jesus Christ

and he went to his house after the and he he was a susurran a voice

demoniac in the o'e and air also very very free in his department so he

started and he he went with the conserge and he said you there is

there something I'm saying not I feel I'm feel

I'm I'm I'm to be here at the next day they started to move

things. He he said that was the devil because as he disfrased

of Jesus Christ he he assumed that the devil was and he visited

but that person was put bad because we'll we're to the

same no super how to confront that what he was

to start to start to start for a way you want,

he said, he was to rest of all the feal and then he was to perceive an

old old an animal more. You know, when he gets the diablo,

he perciven other other olres. So, he said, he said, he said,

he was, he said, and what he did, was only reza, to be, for that

to be the entity that had been that had been that's so, it's

are things that But so no, they say, how was it what was what happened if I don't do anything? And a basis, when you invocas, no, it's not even, that's also, that's, that's also,

because you know what you're invocating, and you have all the aditements and it's not sure that will get. There are occasions that no gets and

that you have to do you have to do, because not going to get always to the first. That's has succeeded to clients.

Now, now the question, you do you have seen? Okay. To the devil? I?

No. But no, no, no, no. I respect all of all. I mean, I love to know stories, but if I'm always... If you're going to invocar. No, never, never. No, no. And if you're going to invoke, me ablars.

Yeah, sure. So, if it's going to do with someone that's ever, because... Because, after there, it's all the whiha. So, that's not a game. No, and the people think that's something simple. Because, you know, the Uihajah, they were to vend in ruggteria, Ramar, Aurrera,

a time, it was a Walmart, and then Hasbro, and then they've been sold

in Walmart. Well, I don't do. Jeteria Ramah I think disappeared also

in Guadalachara. In Ahorri, yeah, also is only in the market Corona. But it's

that's a change a radical, no? Sure, because they, they were

they were they were not faras to that was that's badcabro. Yeah.

And even there are commercial also, that were the sales that passed in horaries

in the hours family in the two. At the day. Yeah. The whiha and you

have you have the new game of a mess. Oh, is that question because are games

I always I've said games that not are and questions that you need to because

if a person adult can commit errors. Now, a child no say 12,

10 years, that's in your in your mess Sake the tabler and start, what would be

the risk of there? Look, acubertate that the almas are more propensas to that

they're positions. For example, the demonios always they're allmas innocents, virgins, children,

babies, then it's more easy for them to be a woman than other that

a little that's probably is a lot of but it can't So, then it's more factible

position to the soul of a child Okay. Acquirtate the cases of the exorcisms also based

in events that have been kids that in that they're in this case, they're a puerco or

an animal for that the demonio or the entity that is in the child and in

when when it trasasas they're they're they're genera, I mean a doubt, because they're in the

material, but the demonio is a spirit, it's energy. So the energy not can't

destroy. So, what so said? As destroying the basin that contain the demon, the

demonio, the demonio can get to get to or me or me quibok? No,

that can get to get to to be to be. At the most, in that transferences

that he does, the soul to the animal, in this case, ma-an-

-an-an-an-an-an- animal, but he yeah can't to posseer to other person that

was there present. So, clear, that has succeeded cases. I don't

if you remember of the movie of the exorcist, which is the

version of the original, the original. What did? What's they're

the demonio? To be Linda Blair, the protagonist, the little the

father, posseem to me and pass the father in father that were two sacerdotes the same

the exorcist of the papa too you know so in the movie the exorcist he met

the father but the father so he's suicide exactly so there he not

he could no he could posseer to and the father so he's

mure and he's he so is that are that are so is that are some cases

impressive but really are cases that are the grand majority of times inspired in realities or questions that

not are so not so long as the reality and that even there are cases as far as that the reality superan

for much the fiction. Sure that yeah when you're in this point, I would like

I know I know you know there's many stories more here we could

be a year well not not so much time But some other that you would like to share us but of those

fortes that are you say this not I've told or a few times I count because I'm

fear. There's one, there's a that you is that you're thinking because

that is like, that is that, that's, that's, that's that's

it's a very sonated in Guadalajara yeah yeah so, and just nothing

because the informator not has done I've seen of many experiences demoniacas

that have passed in Guadalajara but no, I'm sure that this is still in

the period was the way that I came to the way that I had been there's many services

2010, 2011 more or less or less I'm I was also I was

also I'm coming I'm getting cases more extreme yeah it was

more more for what you want to if you want to I'm a client me says oh yeah

you know the person of the side of the corner of my house well I want to

keep the Ciber me storva to stacconar no I want to stay there you know

you know I'll take the cyber I you take the time and terminated the

time the other the other and so we do so we so that so I'm

then I said to a man you know you know you know Accompanyam, because I'm

to need someone that me help. The Tirra of Pantion, I don't see if you know you know, you know, that's very used for jobs of Magia Negr,

to Enfermer to Persons, to kill, and it's very famous the Tierra of Panteon. So, so I

got my my Tierra of Panteon, the Wessos of the Murto, I go my ritual, it's consagra,

consagra, is give power to the aditaments that you're using in a job or conjure. Well, then we're going to enter to the ciber, I'm going to the earth and the wessos in each skin, very discretament, my amygo in one machine, I'm in other,

when there were many cibers, that was the era of the, of the cibers. I was almost in every corner-neticals. Now, you see, very pox. Capiternet. Aha, it was in that time. Yeah, no salimmed, we paid, my cliente very content.

Like at the three months, me to talk to my friend, oh, yeah, you've got the periodical because there

something. What happened? I don't do buy the periodical when there the section Amarilla

and all those things information that right is very sporadical to find

them. Well, that the duke of the cyber and I let's I've

talked I don't do intention. So, so maybe the energy

of the cemetery that was concentrated there and they realized that

that that situation, so that I'm sure that I said,

well, I'm saying, my friend, I'm, I'm I'm

I think that's right. But it was very impactant here in Guadalajara. And how happened? Why, I mean, because it was impactant the murder of that person? Because that person

was good of all. So, but in the periodical no specificated the motive of the murder. Or, more well,

no, what they said, because total, that the Ciber is quitted, obviously, yeah never it was going to

to put but that for me is more it was of the first experiences impactants

that I took when I'm started to this was that it was a fact that

it was it's it's out of control because much people say

no you know you're you're you're the and you're

and you get you're going to I'm going to do something

that was my intention yeah and But, a bit, here

there's a situation because the land of the panteon, the

wessos, the boudo, many types of of the druggeria and they're

to damage the person but I have found that there various situations

to make a mal, so they can get it

and others that can get for years and it's a process

very very long but a person that the person that

it is living. Sure, because, look, there's a chis, a conjure

also that with a poe, obviously you have to make the the poe, open it,

put the photo of the person. If you have hair, you know, the

there comes, the aden of the person, you endirras, you put a place a

place, every third day you need to do an invocation, you have

to enterer close of the house of the person and get to

get to get to get to but but you you have to be

you have to you have to you are that you that is a chis

a chis of magic black the desapar a person mandars to

the other world yes and it's with the animal that you mention

other other people can do And, well, I know it, well, I know that way, with the pollo. Yes, a vagina. Yes, it can be also. But, I don't know if, too, can't even enter her house or even in the cemetery.

In where, too, the sacrifice of animals is in the santaia. Yeah. Well, you're, you know, you're not, you know, I'm not sure. Yeah, the sateria, I've been intended, they're also, also their different rituals that is that

they're all they're like the part of the part of the situation in every religion in every

creencia but yeah we're almost we're getting the chapter some experience with that

you want to you're this time night of Renates I'm saying I always I always say

I always always I'm noce of terror of quotes of terror yeah well

there there there there Almost all those that have been talked to live have been strong because

always the person gets with the idea of magic black for that the work is more rapid because you know that the

magic black it's with other entities so obviously then they come to me because you

are desperate because you know they're not they're another form to realize to the

brevity so So, in this case, this lady, me asked me paid her the soul

but obviously he recurred to me because he was afraid to do it and apart he didn't know.

So, then in the cemetery, because for to sender to the own, no,

oh, oh, no, oh, oh, oh, no. has his process and has

his rules, his consequences like and more especially because here we're talking

we're talking of the ligas major. So, so that we started

we're the first ritual with the woman for this in this occasion

is done so the then the senior desnuda and I'm sitting in the tomb, and I'm

with my ritual, my cirrios, my bells negras, all my instruments. And yeah, like, at the hour, this I'm more, it's present a figure demoniaca, also

in this cemetery, to the long as, as those that are 10, more or less, 10 meters to the redonda, but So it was a little cures and it was black

so it was all the sombra and it was very great so it was very exaggerated and we started and we started like the sound of like

like a type quervos but very very close of us but not they were they were they were

like if we were here a one side but never they were and they were many Pajaros.

Yeah. They were like cures and it started to nubular the sky. So I

mentioned to the clienta. You know that's the lady. You know, you know, you're going

to come to him and then and will to talk to him, he's recital this invocation

in Latin that I'm going to give and I will be to signer with the same

also. Also there a part in the ritual, that also is part of

the process I can say? That the woman had to be a part of

the ritual. I don't see if you have heard. No, that part not.

Well, so in his head, at the mass he had a head

of chival and above in your part one of a puerco which was part of

the ritual of the black of the diablo. Then, after I

did I did it all the ritual, it was to give to give to the devil,

firm with the blood, desnuda, to do a can't, a mantra. And,

well, there we got that we think, three or four hours. For this

also, it was it was a time. Yeah, it was a night between

11 and 12, that's at the hour that are the part of the

And, total, that when the she gets, I know the way of that's that's to get to give to the demonio,

I'm like the braza. And really I think, I'm to do you, I'm a impact.

It's very very surprising. The braza and they are in some garras great to the devil.

But never never see the car, the sombra black. So, the braza with the

garras black, or so, impressive it's, it's very impactant, the real.

For those that we've seen, no, it's a other world. No, no, no,

totally. And the and the pachers were, but no see it. And it

and it started the air also started very perturbored and macabro. So, the braza

and it's disvanes the sombra of the devil he a

he said he said he took relations with him in that lapse she

she she felt the that she possibly that had been

got got she I'm talking to a woman

of fifty four years that for I certainly naturally

it would be juror that stinted the penition. The act was called like,

that also took organ to the woman. Wow. That was very real the relations

that took with the demonio. She was ecstaciated, came content, felis. She wanted

to have the child. And what happened? Ah, well, it was that she

gave her money, he put his negotiations, he He got the money

that she wanted, and all the pacto very and that the

devil he said that he was going to come for her

to just seven years he would let do you

she she she she she that she she would be

to be to okay well for this I think that have

passed like five years of the first so

then then then then then then Then, the sheora me

to say me that the devil he had paid to the baby and the woman

took a but it was a demonio, a baby demonio. Oh, no, not was normal.

No. That had had been born and garras. So, and all right, he's

that had had been with cures and that the devil he said that he had to

get to in the cemetery but he had to go and one 31 of October

so the then the man he envueled obviously was obviously was dead

and she he said he was he was he was but when he was he got

the cemetery he gotro the police because no they were hours. The

she metio she brinked the bards I don't what he did that he took to pay a

great quantity for that not they were to the carcel and there and there he he

he he he was then then then she said she said she he said

and that they got to he got and that they were and that they were

and that they were they're in carcel encarcelarer. I think the sir to go to

another city to live to another and I know I'm never of her

I'm no wow I think I'm I'm a year for that

the yeah a year and if you want to be to be to work

for in what we're possibly possibly see being that

that probably I think I think so I think obviously no

mention names for privacy for respect to all the people that mentioned in this chapter that two are dead. Well, three, with the of the cimmer.

Yes, and I thank you much that you've done the time to come, to share you, to share your experiences. Really, that ultimate me impacted much. De really? I feel that is the most

impactant and also the child. Sure, that also. And is that, in that case, that's that's

so, that's it's there's, there's, they're people, people,

they're they're all, they're to they're going to say, but,

yeah, this man that he got he, he's, he's, that we

got to get us to get us to get to the family, so the capital,

that's, he's, he's, you know, don't just, don't forget your

I like. We can record to your social? Sure that's which Papus.

Okay. Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and YouTube. Perfect. Muchism thanks.

Which Papos for having been. Thank you. Thanks to you for the invitation. And thanks

also the people that you know, you know, we're we're seeing in the

next chapter. So, passen a bonito. Until the the next. Bye.

We're we're Thank you.